FDI in Retail Parliamentary Discussion

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FDI in retail would be good for the country. The Ministry made a study by
ICRIER Indian Council for Research and International Economic Relations.
Who is it headed by? One Economist named - Dr.Isher Judge Ahluwalia. You
know the name. Who is she related to? I do not want to mention. This is the same
story. This is the same school; this is the World Bank, IMF school, who plans to
sell the country down the drain. We want to say that the growth of Wal-Mart has
resulted in decreased wages; shrinking middle class and increase in working poor.
Wal-Mart faced allegations of bribery that helped it to set up store much ahead of
its competitors in Mexico. Wal-Mart contributes to poverty, which could prove
costly in India. Will Wal-Mart help farmers? I heard Congressmen say on
television this is for the sake of farmers. You see a supermarket anywhere. How
much space in a supermarket is occupied by fruits and vegetables? Five to 10 per
cent. (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Please take your seat.
(Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: What is it? Nothing will go on record.
(Interruptions) (Not recorded)
PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): I said, I can understand Shri
Chowdhurys anxiety. (Interruptions) He was recently made a Minister.
(Interruptions) Also, Shri Chowdhury is enthusiastic. I appreciate his enthusiasm
but not his point. (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Please take your seats.
(Interruptions)
PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): He is saying that States can determine if
they will issue licenses under the Shops and Establishments Act to multi-national
retailers. This is in conflict with national treatment. If a license is denied, it can be
challenged under Bilateral Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement
(BIPA). This is a news. .. (Interruptions)
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MADAM SPEAKER: What is it happening?
(Interruptions)
PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): Let me conclude. (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Kindly conclude now.
PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): Madam, to legitimatise the entry of
multi-nationals in retail, the Government is saying that there is lot of storage
facilities for agricultural produce.
(y2/1605/ksp/sb)
Is it not the responsibility of the Government to either create the storage
capacity on its own or encourage the private sector to create this by way of
subsidies? The Government, having failed miserably, has no right to penalise the
small retailers for no fault of theirs.
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PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): He has got the store houses.
(Interruptions) Now, in case of (Interruptions) Is this any logic? I want to
know.
Again I want to say that the Commerce Minister is engaging in double
speak. He is saying that 30 per cent sourcing will be done from Indian SMEs. It is
a political gimmick designed to assuage the feelings of those opposed to FDI in
retail which is unlikely to stand scrutiny if foreign retailers challenge it. Such a
clause cannot be enforced under the WTO and various Free Trade Agreement
obligations. Under the FTAs, the Government has to provide the foreign investor
the same treatment that it gives to an Indian manufacturer. Since there is no such
procurement clause binding on an Indian retailer, it cannot be imposed on foreign
retailers. The Commerce Minister knows that, but he is hiding the fact.
Madam, what they are saying that this is for farmers benefit is a ruse. The
hyper markets only sell manufactured goods and only 5 to 10 per cent space is
given for fruits and vegetables. So, the farmers will receive no benefit. They are
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saying that they are not going to set up these stores in rural India and only in cities
they will be there. (Interruptions)
Madam, all I want to say is that today the future livelihood of 3.3 crore
retail traders, who are not parasites to the society, is at stake. If Wal-Mart comes
in, the kirana shop, the neighbourhood friendly kirana shop, who knows you by
face, who gives you credit, will close down. The farmers will not benefit. Indias
money will go abroad to Wal-Mart; maybe (Interruptions) (Not recorded)
get her share. We will not benefit. (Interruptions)
THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICATIONS AND INFORMATION
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI KAPIL SIBAL): Madam, this cannot go on record.
MADAM SPEAKER: Okay, I will delete it.
(Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Please take your seat. Nothing else will go on record. You
have concluded. Thank you so much.
MADAM SPEAKER: Hon. Members, under Rule 353, no allegation of
defamatory or incriminatory nature shall be made by a Member against any person
unless the Member has given adequate advance notice.
(Interruptions)
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PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): Madam, I have already spoken. To whom
should I give? (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Not to anyone else, but to me. The notice has to be given to
the Speaker and also to the Minister concerned. I will call for the proceedings of
the speech that you have made just now and if it attracts the provision of Rule 353
and if there are allegations, that would be expunged.
(Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: I am saying something. Please take your seat now.

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(Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: I am saying that I will call for the records of the
proceedings.
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MADAM SPEAKER: Shri Hassan Khan will speak now.
(Interruptions)
PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): I have not concluded, Madam. Please
give me one minute.
Madam, it is like the argument in the colonial context that since imported
manufactured goods were of superior quality and benefit the consumers, above
numerous peasants, destroyed the livelihoods of millions of artisans and weavers
should not be held against the policy that freely allows such imports.
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The argument for FDI is a precise recreation of the discourse of
colonialism. Now, the countries which have allowed FDI in retail, like, Thailand,
Chile, Argentina, Nicaragua, have realised the bad affects of FDI in retail. When
you know, when you have the whole world to see just for the tickling of middle-
class families to say that we go to our Wal Mart Shop in Delhi, do not destroy the
lives of the poor kirana shop owners. Do not do that to the poor handcart puller
who carries the material to the shop.
Madam, that is why, I am saying that the retail business in India has stood
the test of time. It should not be destroyed and if they choose to destroy it by this
amendment, history will never forgive them. With these words, I conclude.
Thank you (Interruptions)
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SHRI HASSAN KHAN (LADAKH): Madam, I have moved the resolution for
omission and modification in the Notification of FEMA tabled in the Lok Sabha
on 30 November, 2010. I want that the House may consider and discuss on the
motion and suggest its omissions. If I get satisfied and if the arguments are
justified, I may not insist for voting, otherwise, let it go as per rules.
Thank you.
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(c3/1625/lh-nsh)
It says:
Even the two earliest entrants into Chinas retailing industry, Wal-
Mart Stores Inc. and Carrefour, are struggling to make their business
models work in the country.

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Minister of Commerce, Shri Murasoli Maran, prepared a Note for that GoM. I
will just read what that Note says. It says:
1. Huge capital infusion by foreign investors, as modern organized
retail business involves substantial investments in real estate, storage
and transport logistics, IT applications, marketing and
merchandising, etc., and, therefore, FDI multi-brand retail should be
allowed.

2. A direct fallout of huge FDI in this sector would be employment
generation .

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It says:
2. A direct fallout of huge FDI in this sector would be
employment generation both direct and indirect. Notwithstanding
the capital intensity of modern retail business, it also continues to be
labour intensive.

3. Enhancement of productivity and efficiency gains through
introduction of modern technology and management skills,
compression of distribution chain and adoption of global best
practices.

4. A direct fallout of higher productivity would be lower prices of
goods, which would directly benefit consumers.

5. Lower prices and marketing skills would stimulate demand and
consumer spending.

6. A strong FDI presence in the retail sector would act as a driving
force in attracting FDI in upstream activities as well, especially in
food processing and packing industries. They also motive their
worldwide suppliers to set up business in the new location to
maximize the advantages of localization in terms of production
costs.

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t...(iiiii, I am reading the Vision Document. It says:

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Trade and Commerce: Organized retail trade on the international
pattern will be promoted as a new engine of growth for trade and
employment through appropriate legal and fiscal measures. 26 per
cent FDI in retailing will be allowed. Sourcing of Indian products by
foreign retail chains would be encouraged.

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Many said that Kentucky (KFC) will drive the dhabas out of the market.
The dhabas have driven out Kentucky. The Indian sherbat is still there
despite Coca Cola and Pepsi. Don't underestimate India. Our experience
is that the Indian brand has great strength.

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The BJP understands the critical importance of retail trade in the
context of employment and services provided by them, and thus
favours a dominant role for the unincorporated sector in retail
trade. Towards this end, it will not allow foreign investment in the
retail sector. After agriculture, the retail sector is the largest
employer of nearly four crore people.

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Metro Cash & Carry says:

Our partnership with farmers ensures they find a wider market for
their fresh produce through collection centres located close to their
farms. Farmers benefit from reduced transportation costs, extensive
training opportunities and a reliable and transparent electronic
payment system.

iiiì iì:iii ii :ii iii -i:ii i`-iiii t ii it iitii t, ii :iii ii tiii t it iit -iii
i i -ii:i iti iiii iì:iii iti iii ti ti ii -itii ii i`t:iii i ;iìti:i -i i iì-ii
ii iii i -iii i i -ii -i iii ii ...(iiiii,
gi V (n): ~iii -itiii, -ii ~ii.ii ii iii ii, :iitii ii iii iti ii
...(iiiii, ~ii-i iii iiiii -ii iiiì ...(iiiii,
g BE{ : -ii ;:i iii ii iti t ii i tiii t ...(iiiii, ~ii-ii iti iì it iiii
iti iii, it ii -iii i i -ii:i iiii t ...(iiiii,
(e3/1635/rps-mmn)
-iiii i-i ti iii iì:iii ii, it ~ii-ii iti t...(iiiii,
gi V (n): -ii :iitii ii iii ti iti ii, -ii ~ii.ii ii iii ii, ii ~iiii
iiii t ~ii-iii :iitii ~ii ~ii.ii ii ~ii ti iti -iii t...(iiiii,
g BE{ : i`-i t-i i-i ii iii ii t ii i-i iì:iii ii i iìii ~iii i i` i iiii
-i i-i iii -ii i`-iiii t ~ii :i -i-:iiii s.zs -ii ii t iiii -i iii -ii ~ii iti iiii
-ii i`-iii t ii zc:c:: -i iiii -i s.sc -i:i :i -iii -ii ii i-i ii ~ii iti -i
-ii i`-iii i ;:i it iì:iii ii -i:ii iii i`-iiii t, i;-i -i -i:ii i`-iiii t ~ii-i iì:iii iii
iii t, it -i ~ii-iii iiiii t...(iiiii, ~ii-i iì:iii ii tiii it t iì :i -iii iti t iì
-ii ii -iii iiii t :iii -iii iti t iì -i ii iiii ~ii ii it iiii t, :iii ss :i +c
.iiìii iii ti iiii t ...(iiiii, We are the second largest fruit and vegetable
producer in the world. (Interruptions) We are the second largest producer of
fruits and vegetables in the world. We produce more than 200 million tonnes of
fruits and vegetables, and imagine 35-40 per cent of those fruits and vegetables get
wasted, which means something like 80 million tonnes and calculate the value of
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those 80 million tonnes. Out of 200 million tonnes, 80 million tonnes get wasted.
Calculate the value of those 80 million tonnes. It comes to thousands of crores.
(Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Please sit down. Nothing will go on record.
SHRI KAPIL SIBAL: What is the purpose of this policy? The farmer should get a
higher price than he gets in the market, in the mandi. The farmers should get a
higher price. (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Please take your seat. What is this going on? Please sit
down.
(Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Please sit down.
g BE{ : iì:iii ii, ii it iiii t, :iii i-i ~ii i`-iiii iii`t ~ii it :iiiìi ti
iii t iì i: iiii -i :iii -iii .ii;:i iii i`-iiii t :ii iii it t iì ii iì:iii iiii
t ~ii iii iiii t, ii :ii -ii:i -iii iti t, :i -iii-i iti t iì iì:i -iii -i iiii t ~ii
it -ii -i iii iiii t, ii :iii ss :i +c .iiìii :ii-iii iii ti iiii t ~ii ;:i iii -i ~ii
iii i-iiii i:i tii t, iìiiiì tii t...(iiiii, :ii :ii ii iii t ~ii -i -ii:i ~ii i
t iì iii iì:iii ii :s :i :z .iiìii -i:ii ti i`-iiii t ...(iiiii,
+vF cn : ~ii-i iii i ii;
(iiiii,
+vF cn : iii i`:it ii, ~ii-i i ii; Nothing will go on record.
MADAM SPEAKER: Please sit down. Nothing will go on record.
g BE{ : iì:iii ii ii -iii -iii -i iìiii t, :iii iii :s :i :z .iiìii iì:iii
ii i`-iiii t, iiii -i:ii iìiiiìii ii iii iiii t iì-ii i iii ~ii iì-iii ii ii it ii iii
t iì i iì:iii i :iii t ii iìiii` iii i :iii t ...(iiiii, it ~ii-i ii i iiiì t-iii -iii
iì:iii i :iii t, -iiiiii i :iii t, -i:i-i; :ii i iiii i :iii t, ii iii iii t ,

380
iìiii ;:ii ii iiiiìi i`-iiii, ii :iii t ~ii ~ii-i iii iìiiiìii i :iii t it :ii-i
iii`t ti iii t ~ii-i itii t iì -ii-i ii iii -iiii tiii, -ii iii iìi t iì -i:ii iii
i`-iiii, -i:ii i;-i :i i`-iiii, i-iiii i-i ti iiii, :iii -i iiiiiii i`-iiii iì i:i iiii t,
ii iiii t, iìiii -iiii ii t, iìiii ii ii t, i: iti tiii ~ii :iii i ii iii
t...(iiiii, :iii iii -iiii ti iii t iii i :i-iiiii ti iii .ii.ii;i`:ii ii-i -i
(f3/1640/har/vr)
t-ii i-i:i ~iii iii t
MADAM SPEAKER: Please let him speak. (Interruptions) He just starts to
speak. (Interruptions) What is this going on?
(Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record.
ii t, iii iii t t iiii iiì ~ii ~ii-iii -ii iiii ii t ii t-i t iii
~ii-iii iiii , iii i ~ii-i i ii;i
(Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record.
MADAM SPEAKER: What is this going on? (Interruptions) What you want me
to do. (Interruptions) How do I run the House if you have running commentary?
(Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Anurag ji, please keep quite.
(Interruptions)
g BE{ : -i iii ii iii iii t i: iiii i iiii -i i iì:iii iì:iii ii-i i-i
.i:ii ii:iii t :i -ii iii iì iii ii i-t iìiii i-i i`-iiii t He said and I quote,
this year I have produced corn, which is sold at Rs.12 per
kilogram in urban markets but I have been able to sell it at
Rs.5 per kilogram in the mandi.

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It means, he is only able to sell it at Rs.5 in the mandi. iii :iii :z -ii t
iiii :i z -ii ii ii:iii tiii ~ii it -ii -i iiii ~ii ~ii-i it ti ii iì iì:iii ii ii
ii:iii tiii t, iì:iii i-i ti iii, -iiiiii ii -iiii iti tiii
g BEh xV (g{): ;iii ii iiti -i iii ii t ~ii-i
g BE{ : ti -i iii t, ~ii-iii ii iii-it-ii t, ~ii-ii i: iiii -i ii iii t ~ii
~ii-ii iii ii i t...(iiiii, :ii:i iìiì-i iii iti t iì :i iii ii :ii iii ii t iì
ii iii ii t ii -i i:ii, iìti, -ii .ii ~ii ii:ii. ii iii ~ii-iii iii ;iii :iiii
i ~ii:i ii ii iiiii ~ii iiii iì iì:ii iii :i t-i iii~ii iì .ii;i :ii ii i:i ii` i i
:iii iii ii tii iti We want to link the farmer to corporate value chain. iti
ii iìii i t t iti ~ii:i ii ii -i t t iì Please allow us to link the farmer to
corporate value chain. And, according to Ernst & Young: They are not only
seeking interest of Indian retailers but global food companies as well. In the case
of Odisha, Ernst& Young is looking to bring in Loblaws of Canada, Barakat and
Jims Food Chains of the Middle East.
-iiii iì ~ii-i iti i ti, ii i ti, iiiiiiii i t, ~i:iiìii i t
...(iiiii, -i i iii ~ii ~ii-ii :ii-ii iii iitii t ii-i-iii i ii iti i t t ii ii
iìii ii t, t-iii iìii ii t -ii :i iì ~iiii :ii iii iì -iiiiii :ii-ii ii, iii :iiti
~ii :iiiii-i ii i ti -ii -i i t i iiii t iì ~ii-iii i`-iii:i-ii iì-ii -i tii i ii ii
iii t -iti ~ii-i iìiii;iii ii :iiii ii i ~ii iìii-i ti ii ti ii ~ii-i :iii -i tii ti
ii iiiii;iii :iii ti iiii t, ii ~ii-i iì-ii -i tii ti ii :iii ti iiii t ;iiiii`-ii
iiiiì-i it ~ii-iii iiiì t iiìi, -i ~ii-iii -iiiiii :iiiii-i iii ii ii -i; :s, zcc+ ii
i`t iìii:i ii;i -i -ii iiii iii iii iti t :iiiii-i iii ii Mr. Yechuri also
dismisses the idea that his party was against Foreign Direct Investment in the retail
sector. According to him, it was not possible for the country to remain insulated
in the present era of globalization. He again said, at the same time, FDI should
fulfil three conditions. I entirely agree with Yechuri ji. It should augment
productive capacity instead of asset acquisition; should lead to technology

382
upgradation and should generate employment. If these three things are satisfied,
foreign investment could be anywhere retail or wholesale.
(Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Basu Deb Acharia ji, please sit down.
(Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Nothing will go in record.
(g3/1645/asa/kvj)
g BE{ : ;:i-i ii; :ii iiiiiii iti tiii t, it ii t-i iiii t iiiiì t-ii iti t
iì ~ii-ii ii :i iii, ~ii-i ii iti ii iii-ii iii~iii ii :i-i -iii:i .iiìii, :s i`-iiìii
ii iti iii iiii it ii ~ii-iii :i-i ;i:-i tiii ;:iiì :i-i i :ii iiiiiii iti
t ~ii ~ii-i :-iii :ii :ii -i ;i:-i ii ii iiii i.ii it iii ii t iiiiì ~ii-i iti
:i i`.iiii ii ii iiii i.ii iiii ii -ii-iiiiì ii ii -iiii i`-iiii ~ii-i t-iii
~iii-iiii;i :ii i iiiì i`-ii :i :iiii -i ii i--iii ;:i i`t:iii -i ii ti iti ~ii
it iii ~ii-i ii iiii t ~ii t-i ii iiii t iì i--iii ;:i iti ii ~ii :iii t i iì
-iii i-iiii ~ii iiii ii ~iii-iiii;i :ii ii iii tiii? ~iii ii iì t i` i t-iii i-iii
;:ii iìi ii :iii -ii i-iiii ii i-iii:i :i-ii; iii t t-ii i-iii:i i iìii iìii -i
iii iti ii :iiii ...(iiiii, it tii t
~ii-i t-ii -ii-ii :ii ii iì ii iìii tiii ii ii .iii -i ii iii ~ii; ~ii
t-ii ;iii :i-iii iìii iiiiì i :i :i-ii :iii -i i iiìi ii i :iii -i iti t ii ii zcc+
-i ii t-i .iii -i iìii i iì ii ii ;tii iìii iìii ~ii iti iì t-i iti iii i
;tii -ii-ii:iiì:i -i iìii iìii -ii:i -i iìii iìii ii~ii i :i-ii -i ii :i :i-ii ii
.iii -iiii :ii;i ii i iì ii i ii iti ~ii-ii iìii iìii ~ii-ii iti iì we lost the
trust of the people of this country; we will never allow liberalisation. i`-i ~ii-ii
i.i.i-ii i ii ~ii-i :iii -i ~ii ii ii tii iiii iìi iì we will embrace
liberalisation. ...(iiiii,
;:iiì ~i:iiìii ii it t iì ;:i i ii iiii iti iiiii iì ~ii-iii iiiì iii t?
iiìi i ii iiii it iiiii t iì ~ii-iii iiii iii t?...(iiiii, ~ii ~ii-i -ii-ii -i, iiiì:i
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-i iìi ii -itii ii :i i-iiii i ii-i iìii ii ii iì i-i :i iii i-iiii i`t:iii ii t
iti iti t-ii iii-iiì ii, t-ii iiiiì ii ~ii:i i`-iii, :ii iìii -i iìi iìi iì t-i
~iii ti :iii t...(iiiii, iiìi ~ii-i iti iiti -i ~ii-iii ~i:ii` iii iiiii t iì ~i:iiìii iii
t? ii t-i iti i tii t ii t-i iì-ii ii ~ii ii ti t ...(iiiii,
g |i{ c V (Mn{): ~iii -itiii, -ii iiiiì t iì t-iii ;iii ~ii
-ii-ii:iiì:i i-iiii t, ~ii-i i-i :i i-i :ii i i iì i ~ii ii-i iiiì iì ii; ~ii
ii; ;iii iìii iiì, ;t :i-ii ii ~ii iiii...(iiiii,
g BE{ : ~iii -itiii, -ii iiii tiii t iì :ii-ii ii i it iìi iì it ii t-ii
iiiì iii; t, this is in violation of the Bilateral Investment Protection Agreement
and WTO, both. I am surprised. Let me just tell Sushmaji that under the WTO,
multi-brand retail trading is classified as a service and therefore covered by the
General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade in Services. India has not undertaken any
commitment in this area under GATTS. ~ii-ii it iìi ii iii ~ii-i it :i-ii ii iì
iìii i :i-ii iìii ~ii ~ii-iii iii :ii ti i; ? it iti i ii iii t iì iì-ii ii iii tii
~ii-ii :ii iii i i ~ii-i :ii -i:ii ti t
:ii iii ~ii-ii ii;-ii ii iti it ii -i ~ii-iii iii ii t The BIPA is a post
establishment investment agreement. This implies that once an investor enters the
country, the investor must be treated the same as a domestic investor unless the
limitations to national treatment are clearly spelt out at the pre-establishment
stage. The FDI policy is a pre-establishment instrument and therefore not covered
by it.
(h3/1650/sk-san)
:ii-ii ii, ii ~ii-i iiiii t ii ;iii ~ii iiiii t iì t-i :i-iii t iì :ii :ii t
...(iiiii,
gi V (n): ~ii-i ii it t t -i ;i :iii iiii i; i`-ii; -i ii ~ii-i
iìiii iii it t t -i :iiii iiii ii ...(iiiii,
SHRI KAPIL SIBAL: Madam, there are other aspects to it also, apart from the
consumer and apart from the agriculturists. Look at the state of the economy in
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this country. The state of the economy is such that we are running both current
account deficit and fiscal deficit. (Interruptions)
SHRI ANANTH KUMAR (BANGALORE SOUTH): Who is responsible?
(Interruptions)
SHRI KAPIL SIBAL: Please understand. (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Let him speak. Let him elaborate what he is saying.
(Interruptions)
SHRI KAPIL SIBAL: Why do you not sit down?
+vF cn : iiii iiì
(iiiii,
SHRI KAPIL SIBAL: So, one of the ways also to garner foreign exchange, which
will reduce the deficit, is to allow FDI in sectors that will benefit the economy of
this country. Therefore, that is also one of the reasons, apart from the fact that it is
beneficial to farmers, beneficial to consumers, beneficial to the economy and
beneficial to creating employment. This is another issue which needs to be looked
at.
The third issue is that I want to give some numbers so that they understand
it. If you really look at the population of this country, if you look at 2011 Census,
t-iii ii:i ii iiii :.:s iìi` iii t ii ii zczc -i iiii :.sss iìiìii ti iiii zcsc
ii zzs i`-ii` iii ~ii iii ii:iii -i i iii -i ~ii-iii i ~ii ~iiii iiiii t iì ~iii i
iì i`t:iii ii ~iii -ii-iiii s+c i`-iiìii t ii ii zczc -i i.i +ss iìiìii ti iiii
;:iii -iiii t iì ~iii ~ii :iiii -i ~iii -ii-iiii :zs i`-iiìii ~ii ti iiii, +z ii ti
iiii iii iiii ii iiiiìi iii`t ii ii -ii-iiiiì :ii -i i.iii iti ii, iiiiìi
-iii iti tiii iii :iii:i :ii :i ii-i iti iiii ;:iiì t-i :ii iiiìii ~i-iiiii iii`t
iì:i:i -ii-iiiiì ii i.iii iìi ii -i ~ii-iii i: i`-ii -ii-iiiiì i ii -i iiiii t,
it iti iiii t iì i`t:iii -i ii ~ii ;i:-i ~ii ti t it iiii -ii-iiiiì -i ~ii ti t
i`-ii :iii ss iìiìii -ii~ii; ~iiii ii ~ii :i-i z: .iiìii -ii-iiiiì :ii -i
t...(iiiii, -ii-iiiiì :ii ii iii~ii ii ii:i i`-iiii iti ii ii;ii ii iiii ii iii t,

385
-i ~iiii iii ii t iì iii iii ii;ii :i i`t:iii -i ~ii t t ii;ii -i iiì:i i`-ii :iii :s
.iiìii i. ~ii i`-iiì:ii iii :+ .iiìii i.i t i`t:iii -i i`-iiì:ii iii :z .iiìii i.i
t ~ii iiì:i iti i.i ;:iiì ~iii i iì iii iiti t iì iii i`t:iii -i ~iii ;i:-i ~ii
-ii-iiiiì i it t-ii iii iiii i iì ~ii t iiiiì ;i:-i iti tiii ii iiiiìi -ii
tiii ~ii iiiiìi -ii tiii ii iii~ii ii iiii i`-iiii iii ~ii-i iii~ii i ii iìii-i ti,
iiii i ii iìii-i ti ~ii-i iì:ii -ii -i ti iii ~ii-i ii-i i iìii-i, -ii-i i iìii-i,
iii i iìii-i ti..(iiiii, :ii-ii ii i iti ~ii iii iti t, -i ~ii-iii iti ii iitii
t...(iiiii,
+vF cn : ~ii-i iii i t t :i-iiiii iiii i` ii t t ~ii-i i ii;
(iiiii,
g BE{ : -i iiii iii :i -i-i ~ii-i -iiiiii-i t, -i ~i-iii ii:i:ii ii iii ti iii
t, iiii ii iii iti iii t
(j3/1655//bks-ak)
~ii iii-ii iti ~iiiii ii iti iii iiiiii, -ii it iii iiì, it iìi -i ii
iii iii iti :iiii ~ii iiiii iitii ii ii iit iti i`-iiii, ii` iit i`-iiii ii ;iii -itii
i`-iiii iì iii ;iiiii`-ii -iii ti iii ti iiiii i`-i iìiii -i :i :i i:ii~ii iii -i
:c:s iìii-ii iiii -iii -ii ii:i:ii -i iì:i iì:-i i iii ti t iti iiii:i
.iiìii ii i iiii ii ii i iii ti t, ii -ii:i iii :ii;iìi ti tiii ~ii i :ii;iìi -i
iii-ii iii iii iti t iiii iiii:i .iiìii iii iìii -ii:i i :i ii -ii:ii;iìi tiii,
it ii tiii -iiii t, i ii:iii:i iìii-ii iii-ii -i i iii i iì iii iii iti t
~ii ~ii ii ii iiii ii :i -i iii ii-i:i ii ~iiii -i -iii iitii t iì :i -i iii
ii ~iiii ~ii i iìi ii -i ti t, i iiiiii i-i i i t iti :iii~ii iii ti t, iti
:i ii ii iit iti t, iti i`.ii -i iit iti t ~ii i iii iii-ii -i iii :ii-iii iiii
ii i ~i-ii i`.iii -i iti ii, -i ~ii-i:i -iii iitii t ...(iiiii, i iii ~i-ii ti iii :i ii;
ii, tii:ii -iii :i ii; ii it i ii it:i ti ti t :ii-ii ii ;iii :i-iii iii t, t ii
i`t:iii ii ii:iiìiii ii -iii t t -iii t iì iiii iìiii t, t -iii t iì ii; ~ii-ii
-ii:ii;iìi -i iii-ii -i ii; iii iii i iì iti iiiii i`-i iii-ii :i iii ii ii?
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386
iti iiiii :ii iìiìii iii, iti ii:i ii iii, ii ~iii i iì i`-iiì iii:i itiii t ii ii
iiii iiiìi iii iii t, ii -iii ~i-iiii :i ii iii t iiiiì iii :iii ii iii :ii
i`-iiìii t :i -iii ii i i t t ~ii ~ii-ii iti iìii -iii ~ii ti t, iii -ii
i`t:iii -i ~ii t t, iii~ii ii iiii i`-ii ti t, iì:iiii ii -iiii ti ti t, -iiiiii~ii ii
~ii iii i`-ii ti t ii ~ii-iii iìii iii t, -i -iii iitii t iì iìii iì:iiì t? ;:iiiì
~ii-i -ii ;- i t t, iiiiì ~iii ~ii-iii iiii-i ti ti t ...(iiiii,
+vF cn : ~ii-i :i -ii iiì, ~ii-i :ii iii i t t, i-iii i ii;i iii i`:it ii, ~ii-i
i ii;i ~ii-i i ii i t t ;iii iiiii iii i t t t :i-ii, iìi i i`-ii ii i
iìii ~ii-i iii ii t t, iii ii t t, i-iii iii i`ti, iii iii :ii ii iì
g BE{ : -ii i-i ii .iii-i ii :i-ii -i iti ~iiii t, it iì:iiì iìii i t t
;iii -ii~ii; -iii iii ~ii;iìiiiii t ;iii ii ~ii;iìiiiii ;--ii t, i`-i ~ii-i
iì:iiì iìii i t t iti ii ~ii-iii :iiii t, -ii -iii-i iti t iì ~ii-i iii iìii i t
ti ~ii-i ii -ii ii -iii t ~ii ii--iiìi ~ii iii t ii -i ii--iiìi tiii ii :ii-ii ii ~ii-i
~iii iiiii i` -i ~ii-i iì:iiì iìi i iii t iii -i -ii~ii; :ii .iiìii, :i -i -ii~ii; :ii
.iiìii, iìii -i -ii~ii; :ii .iiìii ~ii ii it it ti ii iì ii .iiiii-i tiii t, iiii c
.iiìii :ii -iii :i tiii t ~ii -i ~ii-i:i -iii iitii t iì ~ii ~ii;iìii -iiii iiiiii ii
iii iii iiii :i ;--ii iii? iii -ii iiii ii, :ii-ii ii it ti ii iì ii:i .iiìii ii
-i:i-i; :i ~iiiii ~ii zs .iiìii ;--ii tiii iiìi iti :i ;--ii tiii, ~ii ;--ii tiii ii
ii ti iti :iii -ii~ii; ;i iì ii -iiii ti it t iì ii -ii~ii; ;i iì iti ~iiiii,
:iii :iii:ii i`t:iii :i tiii :i:i i`t:iii i :i-i; :ii ii -iiii tiii ~ii iiii :ii:i
ii ii -iiii tiii...(iiiii,
+vF cn : ~ii-i i ii;i, iii i ti ii i-iis ii, ~ii-i iiì
(iiiii,

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