BertGunn,MSW,ACSW BertisaClinicalSocialWorkerandhandymanlivinginChaplin,CT,USA.

. For 22 years he assisted, traveled with, organized and interpreted for the late Tlakaelel, the ToltekaMexica Elder from Teotihuacan, Mexico. He is the Administrative Director (Jihuakoatl) of !"# $%&'("%& (In the House of the Sun) in the USA and the !"')*"%'+("%&# ,("-).)*%'+("# (-# $%&/0&'+", and is the Executive Director (Tecutli) of $%&/0&&+# ,1%/&+", based in Chaplin, CT. Bert is the editor of Tlakaelels book, Nahui Mitl, and the editor and publisher of over forty issues of Another Life Newsletter,aswellasbeingtheauthorof20yearsofperiodicreports on his travels with Tlakaelel, and the chronicler and curator of a vast archiveofrecordingsofTlakaelelsteachings.HeisalsoaJusticeofthe PeaceforthetownofChaplin,CT.Berthasbeentrainedandauthorized byTlakaelelandother Elderstoconduct various traditionalceremonies andteachings,hisexperiencesincludingassistinginandconductingthe Four Colors Ceremony internationally for 20 years.He is currently writingabookonthepassageofTlakaelelfromthisworldinJuly2012. Bert,howisitthatyouhavecometobepartoftheInnerCircle? I was invited to be part of the Inner Circle by Danny Vader this year (2013)attheWisdomGatheringinDalfsen,Holland.Thiswasthesecond time I attended the Wisdom Gathering, having come for the first time lastyearwiththelateMexica'ToltecaElder,Tlakaelel,forwhomIacted as organizer and interpreter for over 20 years. My path to the circle reallyistheculminationofover50yearsasaseeker. Andwhatguidelineisitthatyourepresent? You could say that I represent the Mexica tradition, meaning Universality, although I would not say that I represent any one single guideline.Iguesstruthfully,Irepresentonly myowneclecticguideline, which is guided and led by all the learning I have received in this and past lifetimes. I have been following the "red road" path of indigenous tradition for about 30 years, and specifically have been intensively involved with theAmericanIndianandMexicatraditions.Ibelievethat these earthcentered traditions have the same roots and a very similar viewoflifeandourplaceinit.

 SinceyouwereinvitedintotheInnerCircletorepresenttheguidelineof Universality, has anything special occurred in your life to give you a deeper understanding of your role and how you can be of service to othersinthiscapacity? Yes. I have been moving from the background as interpreter, organizer and collaborator with Tlakaelel, to the front where I am presenting on my own, of course with a blend of the Toltec tradition, Tlakaelel's wisdom,and myownphilosophyandallthethingsIhavelearntduring my 67 years on the planet this time around. Many people have said andindeedIfeelaswellthatitdoesnotreallyfeeldifferentthanitdid when the Elder, Tlakaelel, was on this side of the "veil". The teachings are most important, and the person who delivers them is just the messenger. I have always felt since the age of 10, that I had a mission hereonthisearth,andalsothatattherighttimes,doorswouldopenfor me to follow that mission. Being invited into the Inner Circle is one of thosedoors.Idonotknowatthistimejustwhereitwilllead,buttrust that all these things happen for reasons often beyond our understanding,andourjobistofollowthepathasitleadsus. Whydoyoufeelyouhaveyoubeengiventhisparticularrole?Howisit relevanttoyourindividualjourney? Creatorhasajobforme,andIfollowthedirection.Also,Tlakaelelgave methemandate(order)tocontinuetravelingandpresentingthework] inmanywaysthe workhasitsownlifeandjustusesustoputitoutin the world. People have often said that they feel a special comfort and also connection when I present a talk or ceremony. I see things in a downtoearthwaythatmanypeoplecanrelateto,evenwithlittleorno spiritual or esoteric knowledge or training. I usually seem to offer a grounding balance in gatherings. On my individual journey, I keep learningandtryingto be helpfulinanywayIcan tothe Universal,and thisisonemorestep.