Statement:Undocumentedimmigrantsshouldbegrantedprotectionsasproposedbythe

DREAMAct.
NegativePosition
POLDebates
Fall2014
English12andGovernment
SolisandStoll

AmberElizabethMoffett:OpeningArgument
EnglishPeriod(2/4)Government(Green)

HemanUrban:FirstArgument
EnglishPeriod(5/7)Government(Yellow)

AidanRoth:SecondArgument
EnglishPeriod(1/3w)Government(Yellow)

AmberElizabethMoffett
NegativePosition
English12(2/4)andGovernment(Green)
StollandSolis

Statement:Undocumentedimmigrantsshouldbegrantedprotectionsasproposedbythe
DREAMAct.
OpeningStatement:2minutes
HelloI'mAmberMoffettandI'dtothankyouSolisandRussellforhavingmeheretoday.
I'dliketospeaktoyoubothinregardsoftheDreamAct.IsitnottruethattheUnitedStatesof
Americaisacountrythatwasbuiltonthefoundationofequalityforallpersons.Thefreedomof
religion,speech,protest,andthepress.TheDreamActisalegislationagreedonbyboth
democraticandrepublicanpartiesthatprovidescertainprivilegestothesocalledupperclass
immigrantswhoresideinAmerica.MydearfriendcametotheUnitedStatesasan
undocumentedcitizen.HewasborninMexico,butraisedinTheUnitedStates.Helivedinthe
countryfor13yearsandhasattendedschoolforalloftheyearshelivedhere.Accordingtothe
DreamAct,itisaccuratetostatethathewouldqualifytoapply,andtobeprotectedbythedream
act,sincehewasraisedinTheU.S.andwantstoattendcollege.However,hisparentswereborn
andraisedinMexico.Although,hewouldbeprotectedbytheDreamActhisparentsaren'tand
stillcouldbedeported.Myfrienddidn'tlearntheEnglishlanguageuntilhewashereinAmerica
andstruggledtopassclasses,understandinformation,andmakerelationshipswithotherswho
didnotspeakSpanish.HelikemanyotherimmigrantscametoliveintheUnitedStatesand
struggledwiththelanguagebarrier.Thiscouldhappenatanyageimmigrantschoosetocometo
TheUnitedStates.Now.Whatisthedifferencebetweenmyfriendandhisparents?Whatisthe
differencebetweenhimandtheotherimmigrantminorswhosharedthesamestrugglebutcan't
affordtoor,don'twanttoattendcollegeorjointhearmy?Shouldtheynotbegiventhechances
orprivilegesthatmyfriendqualifiesfor?Underthe14thamendmentallpeopleareobligatedto
therightsoflife,liberty,andproperty.Whichisequalforallpersons,andthegovernmentcan
notmakealawthattakesawayrightsfrompeopleorspecificgroups.Ifthegovernmentallowed
theDreamActtopassitwouldcreateaseparationinclassamongimmigrantsandundocumented
minors.Allowingprivilegesfortheimmigrantminorswhoplantoattendcollege,andorjointhe
military,butnotforthosewhocannotaffordtoattendcollegeordonotwanttoparticipateinthe
military.Creatingseparateclassesbetweenimmigrants,makingsomefeelwantedandothersfeel
likelessofpeople.Since,thisiswhatwouldbecreatedanditgoesagainstwhatwebelieveasa
nation,TheDREAMActshouldnotbepassed.


HemanUrban
NegativePosition
English12(5/7)andGovernment(Yellow)
StollandSolis
FirstArgument:6minutes
Manyadvocatesforthedreamactwillrefertoitasthesolutiontoequaleducationrights
forminorimmigrants.Theywilloftentryandpullonyourheartstringswithacaptivatingtaleof
anindividualwhohasfoughttheoddsandwillbeempoweredbythedreamact.Buttheyfailto
seethegiantandcatastrophicloopholesandflawswithit.Thetruthiswearenaturally
sympatheticifchildrenareinvolved.Thewaytheadvocatespresentitinawaythatweare
fooledintothinkingthatonlychildrenbenefitfromthedreamact.AccordingforFoxNewsin
reality,"UndermostDREAMActproposals,amnestywouldbegiventoindividualsuptothe
ageof30notexactlychildren.Andsomeotherproposalsdontevenhaveanagelimit
Therefore,thetalltalesofaffectedchildrenbecomecompletelyirrelevant.Thisloopholeisalso
amagnetforfraud.Massivefraudoccurredafterthe1986amnestyforillegalimmigrantswho
claimedtheywereagriculturalworkers.Studiesfoundthattwothirdsofallapplicationsforthe
1986amnestywerefraudulent.Andthisamnestydidnothingtostopillegalimmigration.In
1986,therewereaboutthreemillionillegalimmigrantslivingintheU.S.Today,therearean
estimated11millionillegalimmigrantsintheU.S.Sopassingthisactwillnotsolveanything
justasthispreviouseventhasshowed,insteadoftryingtostopimmigrationbygivingthem
amnesty,thisencouragedimmigrantstocomeovertotheU.S.forachanceofamnestylike
before.Also,ifthedreamactpassestheycanandwillpetitionfortheirparentsandadultsiblings
tobelegalized,whichwillthenstartanendlesschainofimmigrantscomingintocomeandtake
advantageofthisloopholeinthedreamact.Countlessimmigrantswillbefloodinginbeforethe
billtakesplace.Thedreamactalsogivesimmigrantsthepowertobreakthelaw.Thisactseems
tobeunfairforindividualswhohavecompliedwiththerulesandrequirementsintheirdesirefor
citizenship.Thisactwilladdmillionsofindividualswhowillutilizegovernmentresourceslike
healthcare,educationandsocialsecuritywhilepayinglowtaxesornotaxesatall.The
governmentdeficitsthatarebeyondcontrolcanfurtherleadtobankruptcy.Thiswouldprobably
takeawayjobsfromAmericancitizensandwilldrivedownsalariesorwagesofjobsthatareleft
behind.Thislegislationisviewedtocreateinvasionofvoterssupportinglawmakersand
presidentwhogavethemthecitizenshipattheexpenseofremainingcitizens.Allofthe
immigrantswhobecomelegalizedwillvoteforthepresidentandpartythatgavethem
citizenship.Theimplementationofthisactmightleadtoovercrowdingoroverpopulationin
Americancities.Somanyimmigrantswilldriveupunemploymentratesandjobs,whichare
alreadyhardtogetandkeepforthecitizenshere,willbefoughtforbyalloftheseimmigrants.
Thereisasimilarlawthatisalreadyinplaceforimmigrantcollegestudents,AB540.Ab540
allowsimmigrantstopayinstatetuitioniftheygotooutofstateschools.Agroupofstudents

whofoundthisunfair,thattheyhadtopaythefulloutofstatetuitionwhiletheirundocumented
counterpartspaidsignificantlyless,tookthistocourt.TheCaliforniaSupremeCourtupheld
AB540.ThenthestudentspetitionedtogetthecaseviewedbytheSupremeCourt.Butafter
nearlysixyearsofpetitionsandappeals,TheU.S.SupremeCourtrefusedtohearit.Which
meansthattheyagreedwiththepreviousrulings.Welookatthisprecedentandlookathowitis
treatingundocumentedstudentsmorefavorablythanactualU.S.Citizens.Thisisgiving
immigrantsanadvantageforcollegeeducation.TheyshouldhelpactualU.S.Citizensbecause
theyareatandisadvantagecomparedtoimmigrantsbecauseofAB540.Advocatessaythatitis
togiveanequalopportunitytoillegalimmigrants,butdonotbefooled,thisisactuallybeing
unfairtocitizens.

AidanRoth
NegativePosition
English12(1/3)andGovernment(Yellow)
StollandSolis
SecondArgument:4minutes
ThankyouforhavingmeMr.SolisandRussell.IunderstandthattheDREAMACTis
supposedlymeanttocreateachanceforundocumentedimmigrantminorswhohavelivedinthe
UnitedStatesforfiveyearsandhadthreeyearsofschooling,thereforetheDREAMActismeant
foraveryspecifictypeofimmigrant.However,thereisnowaypossiblethattheUnitedStates
governmentexpectsimmigrantminorstogetintotheseuniversities.AccordingtotheLos
AngelesTimes,TheUniversitiesofCaliforniaregentscommitteedecidedrecentlytoraise
tuitionasmuchas5%ineachofthenextfiveyears.Thecostofcollegeisalreadyexpensive,
andwillbecomesimplyunaffordableasthepriceriseseachyear.ManyImmigrantfamilies
alreadystrugglefinanciallyandwithlegalissues.Withpricesrisingeachyearitwillbeless
accessibleforimmigrantminorstoattendoraffordcollegemakingitmorecompetitivetoeven
getin.Thedreamactmayprovideimmigrantminorswithsomefinancialaid,thehardshipsand
conditionstheyhavetofacewillmostlikelyimpedethemfromactuallyattending.Therefore,the
dreamactwouldnotcreateafairchanceforthoseimmigrantminorswhocan'taffordtoattend
colleges.Makingthepoolofimmigrantsthataren'tprotectedorfundedbythedreamact
increase.
TheDREAMActisalsounfairtostudentswhoarenotcoveredbyit.Theyendup
payingmoretocoverthecostsofDREAMActstudentsenrollinginschool.Accordingtoa
studytitledInStateTuitionforUndocumentedImmigrantsanditsImpactonCollege
Enrollment,TuitionCosts,StudentFinancialAid,andIndebtednessfrom2012byCatalina
AmuedoDorantes(SanDiegoStateUniversity)andChadSparber(ColgateUniversity)doneon
544FlagshipUniversities:Thecostsatflagshipuniversitieshaverisenby$1,775for
nonresidents,andamarginallysignificant$611forresidentstudentsinstatesthathaveadopted
thepolicy(theDREAMAct).Thesefiguresrepresent4%to5%oftheaveragetuitionandfees

chargedbyflagshipuniversities.Inthisstudy,schoolsthatimplementedtheDREAMActwere
comparedtoUniversitiesthatdidnot.TheFlagshipUniversitiesinstatesthatdidnothavethe
DREAMActdidnothavetheseincreases.

PotentialQuestionsforCrossExamination:
OpeningArgument:Areyoustatingthattherearetwoclassesofimmigrants?
Answer:Yes,Iamstatingthatwiththisbillbecomingalawtherewillbea
separationofimmigrantminorsintotheclassesofthosewhoattendcollegeor
jointhemilitaryandthosewhodontdoeither.
OpeningArgument:Whatdoesyourfriendsparentsbeingdeportedhavetodo
withthedreamact?Theirsonwouldbeprotectedbythedreamactbecausehe
wasraisedintheU.S.andattendedschool.However,becausehisparentsdidnot
attendschoolherenorweretheyraisedhereundertheageof16thewouldnotbe
protectedbythedreamactandmaybedeported.
FirstArgument:ThenyoudobelievethattheDREAMActempowersminor
immigrantsandgivesthemeducationrights?Yes,Ibelievethatitdoesgivethem
rightsasmanyadvocatesforthedreamactaswell.However,itdoesnotgive
theserightsnordoesitempowerallminorimmigrantsonlyaspecificgroupof
immigrantsintheUnitedStates,whichisthereasonwhydreamactshouldnot
becomeLaw.
FirstArgument:Howdoesyourstatementabouthowmanyillegalimmigrants
thatwereintheU.S.in1986comparedtonowpertaintothiscase?Itshowsthat
peoplewhowereillegalimmigrantsin1986declaredamnestyunderbeing
agricultureworkerswhennot.Whatisgoingtostopthefraudamongthosewho
claimthattheyreundertheDreamActandhaveallofthequalificationswhen
theydonotintendtoattendcollegeorjointhemilitary.Therewillbenostopping
it.
SecondArgument:Whatisthecostoftuitionforthosestudentswhoarenotbeing
givenDREAMActfunding?Answer:Ifoundthatthecostatflagshipuniversities
haverisenby$1,775fornonresidents,andamarginallysignificant$611for
residentstudentsinstatesthathaveadoptedtheDREAMActpolicy.
SecondArgument:Howdothecostsofflagshipuniversitiespertaintothetopicof
theDREAMAct?Answer:544FlagshipUniversitieswerecomparedinthestudy.
Whatisaflagshipuniversity?Answer:AFlagshipUniversityisusuallyreferring
tothemostprominentpublicuniversitiesofstates.Itisusuallythefirstpublic
universitythatwasestablishedinthestateandreceivesthemoststatesupport.

RebuttalQuestions:

 TheDREAMActisapoliticalbillthatwillcauseaseparationofclassesamong
U.S.immigrantsanddoesnotprovideconcretestabilityforimmigrantpeople.
*IftheUnitedStatesgovernmentgoesforthwithpursuingtheDREAMActbillit
willcausetheseparationofclassesamongimmigrants.Thosewhowillattend
collegeandjointhemilitarywillgainprivilegesandthosewhochoosedifferent
optionswillnotgainanyprivileges.
*Itwillbeimpossibleforthegovernmenttodetectfraudofthosewhoapplyfor
theDREAMAct,becauseinpastcasessuchasthesituationin1986manypeople
immigrantswereabletogetawaywithfraudwhilestatingthattheywere
protectedsincetheywereagriculturalworkers.
**ThereisnowaypossiblethattheUnitedStatescanfindawaytofundforall
theimmigrantstudentswhowanttoattendcollege,withallcutbacksandtheraise
oftuitioninareassuchasCalifornia.Ifthegovernmentweretousetaxesinorder
toaffordtogivethesestudentsfundsfortheireducationpeoplecouldfiercely
refuse.Withthemainreasonbeingthatmostpeoplecantaffordtohelpsend
immigrantstudentstocollegeletalonesendtheirownchildrentocollege