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1.

Notes of Investigating Committee

1.6.89:

(Ron De Rooy - Chairman; K. Bowditch; D. Ali)

Meeting with

-----~I lscG

1_F~

f - -_ _ _ _ _ .
1

Due to marriage problems: -sleep separately

for 2 months and about 1 May 89.~
leaving & , who fee ls he is failure in providing for household.

{Many years ago, both had committed fornicat ion).

~

.~

- Plan is fo rmulated between ~

first that, since marriage has broken down and
E J and ~ simila r, tha hou ld consider 8cH

BCK
as marriage partner - and
and
could
do same (once free) .

fee ls that, ignorance in knowing that resuming

sexua l relations sufficient to divorce, free himself and
to consider new mates.

Im

l lconsiders this a good idea_ tells .

L J has liked him etc.

that

All plan to leave Mareeba, start fresh elsewhere.

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2.

perhaps Mackay or Brisbane!

lis now exposed - l lphones
Incest of~to leco
r:=Jwants him to approach eldersl : : Jdenies.
{In meantime, F land i:=J approach Dino about

thispr~

On 1.6.89 {meeting at K.H.) meeting already set ~

meet with all concerned. Events develop where L____j
tells
of him not attending. All meet
r:=J
at C.E.S that day; l l lvisits Dino to confirm meeting to go
ahead, goes back to ~ and iiathen all three drove back to
!lmlcaravan - E:Jand !llldrive off together from there, all day
and comes home late.

REDACTED

Have a get together for tea - includesfHlf::=J

where they pair off -~ andlmleave soon and
!hold hands

'P'lecK

About middle of May '89; ~comes with divorce papers

to l land .
for llWto help fill out.
Later, .

lies down leaving~and .

alone .

sees ~and -kissing, hugging, whispering

about intimate things e.g. where to kiss after

[married?].
{l l ldoesn't think anything wrong of above actions).

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3.

and t : = jdesperate to get married - have discussed

prospect althoughl not proposed. He plans to go to
Brisbane to fina lise p arting, earn money while
goes to Mackay to live.

'8' f'f1"'

Seems~ intends to help them move.

NOTE: Unbelievable of level of immaturity of fill part. yet
been honest, straight forward with evidence.

l has

Seems ~ and .
-

have spent time together in van with

in back asleep. t:=Jinvited to go with to Mackay.

With :;;.:.:;:;

~
Denies any serious involvement. Has spent t ime with L_J
but always with others. Trying to support ~she
claims!
(Also mentions failure of her marriage and intention to separate).
Helped fil l divorce papers for ~of marrying ~
herself = possible but not definite; only idea !
About 2 weeks ago,
plans to each other.

(BCHI

and [._] discussed marriage

Admits that her and ~ drove off alone together to

Cairns and back (1.6.89} to discuss accusations
(over)

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4.

(8CHI

against L__1
Asked of any intimacy withL J- denies it.
(At the time,L Jwalks in with chips and coffee fo rl lonly).
Of BBQ on Sat night last?

WI:

n
nd
were in van alone with
ancrmasleep inside.

ntt1'

sick

Shortly, E J and 'S: "!'!''leave.

~- molesting! 4- S t imes.
F~

~l
ec_
J ~I knows; perhaps too 'i'!

fllf''

REDACTED

iscG

Ivery shaken and upset, therefore, duringD

holiday to expo
~ fondleslscG
land this happens several times
after and during Wh ich r CG
lcJaimS She runs tOhome wherelscJ
Iare living, to expose [ecH=1
L']also looks through showe r window when~taking bat h,
sees him and tells him to go; "stop perving" (???)
iscG
lhas tried to talk to on ly talks of her anger
to her dad - counsel = respect ather.

that ~ has gone tolf' !11'":with?) story of V.D

=fornication of leci

lflte llsl:I! !!1''tells leci

~ fili ng fo r divorce on th is basis - ~ awaits medical results) .

Says E J has abused 2 younger ch ildren, possibly -FcK

ltoo
at age 2.

1 ~-The

Queen v jecH

ITranscript of Proceedings, 20 May 2003 (Day 2) - Dino

A~ chief on voir dire (Day 2 Transcript), Page 76, Line 22.

2 Spelt
3

in Day 2 Transcript, Page 76, Line 22.

Gavin Belcher - he was an elder in the congregation at that time, Day 2 Transcript, Page 76, Lines 33-34.

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5.
r = J (by herself}
Tells of problems at home, of 11.aas secretary and her mum's
jea lousy and r=Jabuse of E Jith punching and episode
w ith knife.

Says

REDACTED

have grounds for divorce

Says plans between self and

la

On abuse of j,_
sc_G_ __,~ didn't know really but that ~ explained
it as lecG
!wanting to learn.
6
On abuse to l.._
c_K_ __,

Yes, at age 3 (remembers vividly}.

REDACTED
Also mentions that
appears to know of lscG
.__a_b_u_s_e_! _ __,

LJIBCG

11sc1

When faced and hears accusations; denies all.

Says all part of parental training and yes kissed
on mout h and hugged t ightly but that's all!
That lsc
...._G_ __..lasked questions about subject.
On looking into shower: - walking past perhaps?
and remembers ~was home.

n-

chasingr_Jo

- playing with bucket of water!

Breaking down bath door? - hurry to bathe as glasses may

have been in there
(despite nakedness of =jec~G~--~

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6.

~also stated that! any "improper acts"

lscG

!looking for the opportunities!

BCL

About I~c_M~--'land I~.~~~

6

Father bathes children, wipes backsides etc i.e. normal

parenthood
responsibilities

1 _ 1(-about

JBCHI

Den ies firmly any involvement. Good friends only.
Maintains problems in own marriage and ~subjections.
Said about .
and marriage that anything is possible but
not really considering it. On ly discussed plans with
and self and then only during trucking for Atherton
assembly.
Den ies any kissing, hugging.

F lma inta ins own conduct above reproach due to

'-pfiysical abuse/ headship not respected ; D1ow spirituality.
NB -7 Told by Committee of dangers and standing to cong.
[End of Meeting] Pt: (L Jand -

itting very close together - cuddling?

Pt: all go to place, pick up ch ildren, and as"!"~

hear later, proves to be an eventfu l evening with
staying atl l l luntil about 7:00am and with lecK
I
while F land drove off in car for several hours on their
own, ~returning about 5:00am alone, claimed to have
taken l l ahome.

la

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FI

7.

L__J

lat er individually tell of same events

and all quite accu rately. It seems t hat ~and.are at
tennis courts when police pull up to investigate.
Later when ll encourages~to talk to elders, he fe els
there is no need since he can speak to any sis whenever!

'!' f!!'"' not happy with all these happenings under her roof
and finds out involvement too with .

and lecK

Next day.
leaves home and kids to .
to disappear
for couple of days to sort herself out, she says to a
telephone call to Dino.

lllto

That night. Ron and Dino go to

consider scriptural
principles of his actions, being married and talk on material
from WT 80 Aug 1, P.30,31andWT81 Ma r 1 P31,
upon which he gets very emotional, hearing of Jehovah's attit ude
to such circumstances. He seems to comply and we encourage
reconciliation and help for t he marriage. We indicate a
meet with bot h of them might be appropriat e.
(Wh ile there E }alls in and asks after -

who is not home] .

had called Kevin for bros involved to

Note too that .
come out there so he can bring up to date on events at '"
Same night, we visit ~ for some talk on WT articles
over

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8.
Commendab.!.Y-; she responds honestly of the involvement with
Also speaks otE:Jinsisting her
llaand BCH _ j Nith
is good. Again we recommend caution
relationship with .
in involvement and although visibly upset, appreciates information
and notes how different it is from her Dad's.

!Im

She does not like what her dad is doing with

by BCH
commendably, when pulled up before
~he insiste
deny charge of molestation to lecK
on the t ruth despite~ efforts to the contrary.
(3.6.89)
On a later phone call to Dino and subsequently after
who recommended she
discussion with her sister ecG
admits to ~ and
report it to the elders concerned). BCK
. .having kissed on several occasions, once on cheek and
another time on mouth. She did not witness this personally
but that L_,had told her that during conversation
that he had never really felt like this with a woman
(meaning L:.__jreadily admitted also that she had done some with
and that when ~ heard, said that was al right.
3.6.89: Go to see -

and

l''.n!

They see no future for t heir marriage. Given up all hope.

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9.
Yet discussion revealed serious problem -sexual perversion.
As to the exact natu re we were not explicitly told but it
was serious enough thatbroke down emotionally.
We continued to show from scriptures the scriptural
posit ion of the marriage and the need for BOTH to work on
role of husband/wife. However, the sexual perversion
seemed only one of a number of problems involved.
M ore encouragement is needed here with very frank
discussions. llJlstill seemed determined to separate,
even for a little while.
Advised also that of need to be conscious of contact with

3!51 May- met as judicial committee withL__Jand

rcH

..

separately and together).

r::=Jon other hand, den ied any wrong associations

despite counsel to quit association with l l i l lMaintained
a hard attitude and continued to reiterate innocence.

Despite shown articles from W.T., he felt justified in his course,

presenting a letter of notification of divorce and reasons for it.
Commented on elders in Cairns had been consulted
and agreed with him.
(over)

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We felt that to counsel ~on his actions beforeabout their personal contact and [unclear] may impress
on [mind & heart?] of seriousness once aga in of principle
of conscience of bros and sis and Jehovah's view on
"courting".

12.6.89:

with~again, further impressed [unclear] to

break any contact with !!mwe felt there was
strong feeli ng when she wept over counsel. She asked
if future held any possibility with after "divorce".
We again reinforced suggestion strongly not to consider it
but break contact, advising that even ifl l lmay
make further contact, she should stop it at once [unclear]
employing us to approachto quit.
Met also with

today.

Informed us ~ had told them of his intention of

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11.

leaving family and over fornication onr=J part.

Mentioned [Mt Isa?] as event on which to proceed on divorce.
ecHJhas asked Mt Isa hospital for any records of V.D.
on his part and perhaps on r=Jtoo - for both would
have had to be treated; if this was really the case!

Definitely had told -

of having VD !!

([unclear) being ~therefore, ~had fornicated)

Seems this event and perhaps another one has
happened before ~in truth.
NOTE: -

had attempted to get9

gainst ._l
ec_H_ _ __,

On Tues last (S.6.89) had mentioned in book study to had left Mareeba and
"that it was the best thing" etc. (in a loud manner, according
to - - also a comment from ! mthat if
an~ed to discuss the subject (and take ~s side)
she would "tear them to pieces".

limthat

17.6.89
- Met with ~and ~l
sc_G_ _~

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Counsel given on confiding matters of family to cong.

members - used articles and script ures.

Counsel given to ~
lec_G_~lalso of same matters
using above art icles.
Also on attitude to mother; encouragement also
given for her honesty and in seeking help (1 Tim 5:4)
ec_H_ _~
Counsel given to ~ on her part as subjection to ~l
could have helped cause separation and consequent matters.
Used article and scriptures of her responsibility- encouragement to help family.

Interesting that both mentionedF !as admitting to

another "attempt" of molesting ~when going to
school at later age (primary?) Need to check statement.
Quest: Should one be studying with younger children
- even for short time until thing settle?

~took lecK

Ihand to place it on his private parts.

- she pu lled hand away and refused to speak with him for some
t ime.

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12.
28.6.89 - Met as committee with North Cns elders to
discuss scH and !lmand involvement and comments about
and his comments to E:::Jabout Alan.
{Seems ~was gaining(?) support for his actions).
[unclear] disfellowshipping and [unclear]
due to wrongful action on elders part in this matter.
After discussing with us about t he goings-on, elders
left to meet with ~ and possibly phone us to be
witnesses. Not called in - elders counselled ~on his
conduct with -

- using same articles as we had.

M et on 10.7.89 to discuss disfellowshipping

on r:'.J through charges of ''LOOSE CONDUCT" and "Lying".
Appointment made with . and ~- who were in
Mackay- over phone (and we spoke to both of t hem)
for appointment to meet on 12.7.89, 7.30pm at
Kingdom Hall. Both accepted and determined to be there.
Our discussion as Judicial Committee also involved
and L jover their
removal of privileges for
previous conduct though they have corn lied with counsel
given since. To be invited to meeting=
r:=Jr1ock?J,
REDACTED
.
and
Jas
witnesses to charges made.

Ill

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13(a).

(12 - 7 - 89)

[BCHI 1. Domination of Most-upset with l__J

2. Running around with wife-

Questions in certain matters:

Eg: time of plot (6.5.89) visited[}n Cns:
On trip from Mackay to Mt Isa tonight - carried on together
acH . mooching etc.
from time in [Lemonts?]; kids told

- Im raided bank, cleared out of $50.

of arrangement, one most spiritual to get
caravan, kids.
1-5 - 89
NB: l l l l linstituted?) separation etc in [Mt Isa?)
Initially.
Couple days later visited ~
(- occasion~ecH ~-pent alone (NOTES [AT FRONT?)).
On beach 6.S.8~f:}lheld
hands spoke confidentially of family problems.
Later ~eld hands, arms over shoulders
walking together along beach, whi le
waits.

!imll

Arrangement from previous nite and day on

ea to t eam
beach to form alliances lee.
with .ec~For she likes
Says "why don't you get to knowE\>etter"
and urged/suggested. a seriously think.

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on nite in caravanE&~1Ugging andl leclining

against[ jkissing and discussing where to kiss etc.

When marrie. iscusses t cttiext morning on

immoral way. apologises that .aw it. Approaches
~and expresses disgust at scene.
On other occasions of kissing etcl admits to .
when he comes from Brisbane and asks her, have
been [unclear?]
8
On trip here, kids sayE ] I arm around neck of._
l c_H_ _..

[ - Note~has lied to us about NOT TOUCH ING

.
in any way immorally]
fBcHI
L_J uses [unclear] W.T.
{W 74 671, 672 QFR - using articles on divorce when speaking to us)
Supposed ly shown elders in CNS to shut them up.

~
Check ifL_J1in same van?
As.

IH "!!!

[8CHI

hat occasions kissed etc withL__J

(use script Heb 13:17.18)

-~ sits beh ind us and 'i'f '.S:'"'

- so as not to influence

How coping? Not sure which way to go - confused.

[BCHM
Romantic notions between L1Min future perhaps.
Occasions of kissing, holding hands? - holding hands but
not in public.
Kissing? Goodnight kiss every night
(over)

'$!of.I" r

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Believes Dad:-

script free but not legally.

Discussed W68 P255 and AID book (divorce) to cla rify posit ion.
Again asked how often kissing? At least twice !
In tropical van park

I'

L.min
P ll tent .

in

van.

'i'1'fl'1'' Heb 13 :17:

Asked of occasions where kissed/cudd led?
Severa l occasions but not passionately
Kissed yes and on mouth
Yes in caravan and discussed with LJa bout
intimacys to be after marriage !
We've become closer but not physically.
On why ignored our counsel? - needed time!
- \ Read WT 74 P671 l

marriage dissolved due

to not forgiving.

Didn't keep counsel in mind

(Reads W1968 on dating)+ 1974 P671
Stressed seriousness of being together even at work.
"work+ coupled with kissing and cudd ling etc =
loose conduct
Seemed shocked.

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[BCH
I --~~

14.
told of charges " Loose conduct+ MD.g"

Asked on our counsel? - could not remember much.

Also said clearly CNS 4 elders are wrong, inaccurate in
what they told E Jat their meeting with him
- "browbeaten", "threatened".
Been together? - maybe! I on several occasions

{as'ilfo!!I ' said) .

Dating? No (eventually admitted grudgingly)

Kissing, embracing?

- yes, in caravan, again grudgingly

admitted. Felt bad F lwas there - would
do it without -

Didn't think it was really wrong!

Discussed marriage recently on a few occasions.

~! - On V.D. and fornicat ion on ~ part; had mentioned to .,,.,.,,,.,

No; ~has not admitted to another act.
tells[ }e tells her

~ has admitted to all things and also said that

whatever jsco

Ihad said on molesting was true

discuss -

lee_ -~
nd .....

Cairns - Day 2 Transcript, Page 81, Line 23.

re friends of the ...
- ......
. ..,..._family - Day 2 Transcript, Page 82, Line 22.

5 REDACTED

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Cns Bras: Case prior to truth [u nclear] now comes to

light because C jsupposedly admitted to him!

L__J - about
FHI

ci
thatL_Jasked L__J
fBC'l about acts of
adultery o w ich one can count on one hand, she
supposedly admitted.

In early M arch, ot her acts came to light - then separa ted.

When came home,~ admitted fornication before
marriage (Jan 15 1980)
r e_ _ __,
Yet during our meeting, denied any admission on ._
part.

Ron expla ins to ~on seriousness of [courting?) and

loose conduct WT18 P255.
TellL Jof decision t o disfellowship! on GROU NDS OF " LOOSE CONDUCT"
and procedure to ta ke for reinstatement.

'j' ft!! 1

shown Gal. 5:19 - aga in as above.

Not disfellowshipped yet.
~

Told not t o have ANY CONTACT WITH L__JAT ALL

19.7.89 =~PPEA LS, fax to Kevin.

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19.7.89:

along with restrictions such as commenting

at meetings and participating in demos/parts.
also encouragement to work on marriage.
1Tim5:20 =pt tol m of script. procedure of reproof
(l aunderstands procedure)
Heb 12:11 =discipline= limits/restrictions placed.
Noted too that in body in another cong.
will note advancement made
to restore privileges in time.

byila

Encouraged to cont. meetings and preach ing

And elders apply study program by
mature person to help progress.
Discussion with

'S'R!'!"

About._l
sc_K_ _,Ion any personal contact7
Appears to have broken contact.

mr

(Pt on
appear.
business by ringing

rys into

lfllatleast twice).

Ron explains reason of being misled due t o

spiritually low! - l lunderstood.

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We show .
W68 P255 on QFR on not being
free and dating not approved .

Ill comments has no present intent ion t o apply for diva...,_r...; ....~.......but see on developments with Due to positive response to counsel given in previous
discussions with Jud icial Comm itteel tas
rest rictions placed re : no commenting, prayer, parts
or privileges with meetings, pioneering etc
for time until progress made to
extent restrictions lifted/removed
- cont. witnessing etc.
On above shown Heb 12:11 =discipline.
- - encourage to maintain marriage
relationship (WT 74 PSll-12.)
We emphasise P512 (actually read and explain
scriptu ral viewpoint on last 3 paragraphs).
Consider seriously Jah's standard together,
separately/privately+ seek help of elders here or in CNS.
Told both of restrictions on each other
being husband and wife out of
consideration for each other.

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BCI<

Discipline on dating WT68 P255

shown incorrectness of dating with above WT
to again establish counsel previously given.
James 5:14,15 =spiritually low person
need ing attention to progress spiritually.
Therefore, program instituted to help e.g. STUDY with
spiritual sister.
Informed of restrictions= comments at all meetings
and parts or demos.
encouraged to attend and prepare for all meetings
and field service.

(Reluctance about returning home, due to family problems

could be slightly "jealous"(?) ofr ca
landL
future
1
marriage. Too, freedom enjoyed in these 2 months to
be curtailed perhaps by her mum).
Worried about announcement from
platform - assu red no !

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IBCG

iBCl

To counsel ~on ta lking too much to many

others (including writing letters to friends
about situation.)
1 Tim 5:13 applies - even of talking of family
matters toL J un loving to other members.
(-letter written to Mackay prior to counsel given)
about gossiping!
Therefore, demo's response since talked to and cautioned.
6

L ]has talked to ~out ._lc_G_ ___.

has asked
being molested; seems leading quests about lecG
feelings on it, discussing topics she has no
right to.

D
On Gossip: 1 Thess 5:13
(I disagree)?? WT 811 Sept P.20

-7 slander -7 serious enough - disfellowshipped.

D
denies talking to .
about molesting!!

(as f._c_G_ __,l stated)

Rom 15:2 =speak upbuildingly, therefore, not gossip.

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~mentions isco

J and r:=J been together

very often, holding hands, walking up street
during tobacco festival as such, but spending
huge amounts of time at home together.=
lsc~i;;;.._~
has restricted this to about 2 or 3 times/week.

l8CHI
l8Cil she's not his wife!!
L__Jhas told l_J

17.