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HAY HOUSE

WORLD SUMMIT
2015

The Evolution of the

Law of Attraction

ESTHER HICKS IN CONVERSATION WITH REID TRACY

[Intro music]
TRACY: All right, well, thank you, Esther, so much for coming to be part of the Hay House World
Summit. Im excited because were here in Louises office.
HICKS: I thought thats where we were.
[Laughter]
TRACY: Which is how we all got together. Louise was a big fan of Abraham and
HICKS: Yeah.
TRACY: and she used to come and see you and Jerry every year, or twice a year, even, when you were
in San Diego, and it was finally, she said, Reid, I want you to come and meet Esther, and we were able
to work together and get your books out there and kind of help spread the word all over the world. So
HICKS: I remember all of that vividly. It was thrilling to us, yeah.
TRACY: Yeah, well, it was so exciting. And so, I know later were going to get to talk to Abraham
HICKS: Yeah
[Laughter]
HICKS: Sooner, sooner than you
[Laughter]
TRACY: And I know that youre always, you love to get Abraham in, so Esther can go away, but

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[Laughter]
HICKS: Oh, yeah
[Laughter]
TRACY: But I know that you personally have been listening to Abraham, obviously, you dont necessarily
know what Abraham is saying while youre getting asked the questions, but you definitely listen to
Abraham a lot when youre editing the tapes and
HICKS: You know, I hear them. I hear what they say, so Im kind of sort of aware as its happening. I just
dont know any of the backstory. I dont know why theyre saying what theyre saying or, yeah
TRACY: Oh, okay. Oh, that makes sense, so, but also, I know that, you know, you and Jerry used to always
like really try to apply the, what youre hearing, and
[Laughter]
HICKS: Oh, we dont live it. We just teach it
TRACY: No, you definitely live it. You live it more than any, almost any teachers I know, or maybe any
teachers I know, but you guys really, and you, and I think youve seen it work well in your life over the
time
HICKS: Yes, yeah, for sure.
TRACY: And are there any like things that youve learned that you can share with people, of practices that
you personally do, like, that Esther does to really help stay in the flow and stay . . .
HICKS: You know, through the years, every process is evol-, has evolved because theres been something
going on. And so they always gave the process to me first, and then I always really worked at, because I
believed that, because theyve never told me anything that didnt turn out to be exactly right.
TRACY: Right.

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HICKS: So, when they offer a process, I always do my best to apply it. And recently, theyve been telling
us that every process that they have ever offered is for one single purpose, and thats to soothe us, to help
us feel better. And so, I just reach for whatever process makes me feel better at the time. Some of them, if
Im, it depends on how much momentum Ive let get going before Im smart enough to apply a process,
because if I catch it quick, then its simple. If I, if I let a little momentum go, so its not quick, then it takes
a different process, and theyve kind of outlined which processes work best for which emotions. But what
Ive just learned is just do whatever I can to make myself feel better.

Recently, Ive been saying to myself, [chuckles] and theyve been teasing me about it, but Ive
been saying, when I get on a thought that doesnt feel good, and Ill just say, well, that was unpleasant. You
know, and then lately Ive been saying, well, that was unpleasant and unnecessary, you know, because it
isnt necessary to think unpleasant thoughts. We do have control over what we think about, but, so its all
about the momentum.
TRACY: And its, I guess its paying attention to what youre thinking
HICKS: Caring, caring about feeling good.
TRACY: Right.
HICKS: You know, after youre used to feeling good, you just cant stand not to. You know, and it doesnt
mean I always do, because sometimes something happens and I have a sort of knee-jerk response to it.
And if I have any conversation, then I get going down that path further and it, it surprises me how much
momentum, negative or positive, can get going so fast. It just doesnt take, you know, you can just barely
be thinking something and almost immediately youll interface with somebody that kind of has the same
thing going. And then, if you engage in a conversation about it, then youre really off and running.
TRACY: Right.
HICKS: You know, and it can set the whole, the tone for the whole day. So, I try, I dont always do it, but
I try to bask as I go to sleep, so that I kind of get out ahead of it. And then in the morning, I always try to
just stay there long enough that I catch good-feeling thoughts before I get going into the day. Jerry used to
beg me [chuckles] not to read e-mail until after lunch, because the e-mail is where all of the you-need-todo-something-about-this comes, so, and we liked to do our creative work in the morning, and so hed say,
please dont, dont, but of course, you know, thats not very practical

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TRACY: Right, its hard. Its tempting. Its just sitting right there
HICKS: Its not very practical. But the idea of it is, if I can get positive momentum going first, Abraham
has been telling us for years an analogy of a merry-go-round in the playground and that you want to get
on and the kids have already got it going too fast, and so you cant get on. It just kind of knocks you off
when you try. And lately, Ive been thinking that that merry-go-round thats really spinning fast is like me
and my positive momentum. So if I can get my positive momentum going early, then anything that might
approach me just bounces off.
TRACY: Right.
HICKS: Its really, its helping me a lot.
TRACY: Wow, thats amazing.
HICKS: Yeah, yeah.
TRACY: And it, the last time that we got together, you said something that really was, like, had a big
impact on me. You said that, you know, even though Ive recently lost Jerry and gone through so much,
that Im still the happiest person I know.
[Laughter]
TRACY: And [laughs]
HICKS: Well, I am mostly. I am, mostly. I am, yeah.
TRACY: I mean, I think thats like a big statement, you know, like it just shows, I think, the power of what
Abraham has been teaching and how youve applied it. I mean, its really, like, its an amazing thing, really.
HICKS: I am a little embarrassed to say that I didnt realize how much my happiness was depending on
just observing the good life we were living. So, all these years, Abraham has been giving us all these
processes, and Ive been applying them. But truthfully, I didnt have to apply anything very hard because
I was really living happily ever after.

So, it wasnt until something happened that wasnt so happy

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TRACY: Right.
HICKS: and then I found out these are really good processes.
[Laughter]
HICKS: You know, they work. They work if you work them, they work.
TRACY: Right. And are there any of the processes you did that really helped you go, get back to that
feeling?
HICKS: Well, of course, meditation is a process that everybody knows about, that one helped me really a
lot. And then, the other process that I use more than any, more than all of the other processes, well, there
are two. The placemat process is really my favorite because my MO is I get overwhelmed because I take
on sometimes more than I have physical time for.
TRACY: Right.
HICKS: And so, the placemat process just causes me to identify what it is I really need to do today, and
TRACY: Can you describe that for everyone? Like, theres a lot of people that might not have known or
heard you and know what the placemat process is, but one of the things were really trying to do in these
interviews is give practical advice for
HICKS: Well, thats what this is, really, the, and Ill never forget. We were sitting in the Macaroni Grill,
the original Macaroni Grill in San Antonio, and they have these, they have paper over the tablecloths and
crayons, and so, and I was overwhelmed and complaining about having too much to do. And Jerry said
what he usually said when I was complaining, lets ask Abraham
[Laughter]
HICKS: And so, Abraham just took one of those crayons and just drew a line like down the middle and a
line across the top, and on the left side, they wrote, things I will do today, and on the other side they wrote,
things I would like the universe to do today.

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TRACY: Wow.
HICKS: Now I had a notebook with me that day, pages and pages and pages of things that I needed to do,
and they said, just take some time and look down those, that list, and anything that absolutely must be done
today, write it on your side of the placemat.

So, it took me awhile, but I went through the list, and picked out just very few things that really
needed to be done that day. So I wrote them down, and then they said, now everything else goes on the
other side of the placemat. And they said, take the time to do it. Well, it took a long time, and so I left
TRACY: It took a long time to separate them
HICKS: To move them, because there were so many of them.
TRACY: Right.
HICKS: So I took a pen out of my purse, because the crayon wasnt working out that well
[Laughter]
HICKS: and I started writing them. And with each one I wrote, Abraham said, were going to release
that to the universe today. Were going to release that to the universe today. Were going to release that to
the universe today. And I just felt myself feeling lighter and lighter. It was like, later they explained that
what the process does is it causes you to identify what you want, but it also causes you to get into a softer
state of allowing it, because I was all balled up and had all these things to do and I was all tense about not
having enough time to do them.
TRACY: Right.
HICKS: So, what that, and of course, they explained it a lot afterward that, that knowing what you want
and being in a state of allowing it, well, what I noticed, so I really got after that process. I mean, every
morning I would get up and do it. And I started noticing that the universe was getting my list done faster
than I was.
TRACY: Right. Believe me, Im going to be doing that process. I cant believe I didnt [chuckles] remember
that one from the book

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[Laughter]
HICKS: Ask and it is given. I dont remember what process it is, but, so that one, I use that one a lot,
because it softens overwhelmment.

They said the other day that what overwhelmment is, is the energy moving fast and you not being
up-to-speed with it. So, and thats what, of course, my list was doing. It was making me ask, ask, ask, ask,
but I was tense, and so, you know, I hit all the red lights and people I called werent there and I couldnt
get the airline flights I wanted and so forth. But when I started leaving it to the universe, it was like it prepaved it. It smoothed everything out.
TRACY: Right.
HICKS: The other one, the other process that I use most is meditation, because, especially lately, because
when I quiet my mind, I can feel right away, I guess Ive been doing it long enough that, when I stop
thinking, or when I deliberately decide not to think, and I always focus on some sound. Its really quiet in
here. I cant even find a sound. But usually theres an air-conditioner I can focus on, or, you know, or the
sound of traffic or something. So, Ill just focus on some sound.
TRACY: Right.
HICKS: And as I do, then I can feel myself just relax into a state of non-thought.
TRACY: Right.
HICKS: And the way Abraham explains that is, when you quiet your mind, your vibration raises, just like
a cork floating up to the surface, and I can really feel that. So, I like to just sit in that feeling, because I
know, theyve convinced me, I know this for sure, that everything that weve asked for is all lined up and
that the universe is working on it.
TRACY: Right.
HICKS: Its in the vortex, is Abrahams terminology. Its, and that the only thing that is keeping me from
being on a comfortable path of it, or even seeing manifestational results of it, is my own resistance. So,
meditation is just such an easy way to let go of resistance.

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TRACY: Right. And when you first started talking with Abraham, I know that, I mean, there are, your
connection wasnt as strong as it is today.
HICKS: It was as strong. The connection was instantly strong, because Jerry was, had been summoning
it, so it was strong. I just wasnt as up-to-speed with it, and so, it was a little rougher translation. It was
awkward, and it really made me tired. You know, I could only go like 10 minutes and I was exhausted. And
then later they helped me to understand it was my own tension.
TRACY: Oh, I see, okay. And did you learn to meditate and relax more and connect more, or it was just
you learning to deal with the energy?
HICKS: I think it was, most important was me trusting them, because I didnt know, I didnt know what
was happening. Me relaxing and realizing that they werent possessing me, you know, that they were
answering questions, and that they were there because of my request. They werent asserting themselves.
They were there because of my request. And like if something would happen, if the phone would ring or
someone would knock on the door, or Jerry would just feel impatient because he wanted to get on with
something, theyre very sensitive to all of that. And so, you know, they had no, they were only there for us.
TRACY: Right. And then one of the questions I ask people, you know, is there anything youd love to
know from Esther, and one of them was that, does Abraham ever tell you things or do you always ask, or
do people always ask Abraham questions or does sometimes Abraham go, look, dummy, tell them this?
[laughs]
HICKS: I think the most important thing to understand about the answer Im going to give you is that we
ask in all kinds of ways, there are a lot of things were asking for without actually putting it into words. So,
and this is true not just of Abraham. We all have our Abrahams. Source is answering all of us all the time.
TRACY: Right.
HICKS: So, the more specific we get, if I say, I really want to know about this, they will answer it as
specifically as Im able to hear the answer, but theyve taught all of us relative to other people that were
wanting to help, dont answer questions that arent being asked. With Abraham, they always know what
the question is. Thats why they know exactly who to pick from the audience. You know, they know whos
ready. They know how strong the question is and how likely they are to be able to receive the answer. So,
they dont tell me anything that they dont think Im ready to receive the answer. Thats

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TRACY: Or that you even ask. Mentally youre asking and then they give it to you.
HICKS: Yeah, thats the best, but I think its them knowing my readiness to hear the answer is what makes
them say what they say when they say it, because theres no point in telling somebody something that
theyre not ready to hear. Its like, if somebodys complaining and youre trying to help them understand
that their complaining isnt helping, youre telling them that their complaining isnt helping isnt helping
either, because theyre not, they want to be soothed. Thats why theyre complaining, you know. So thats,
Abraham is a soother, always a soother.
TRACY: Right. And my last question for you and then well let Abraham get here
HICKS: Oh, good. [chuckles]
TRACY: you can go relax and let
[Laughter]
HICKS: Let them do the . . .
TRACY: Its, again, back to you and Jerry, so one of the most amazing things of all, we used to have
lunch a lot, the three of us, and one of the things that I really, really like was so impressed with was the
relationship of you two. Like, you would talk and he would, like you guys would almost be able to say a
sentence every other word without interrupting each other, like
HICKS: Well, he probably wouldnt have said that.
[Laughter]
HICKS: He probably felt interrupted a lot, but we did have a good flow, and still do, still do.
TRACY: And its like that relationship that you guys had, I mean, like a lot of people, I know, when they
come to see Abraham, they ask how can I find the right person, how can I get a better relationship, but
asking you, Esther, like what do you think the key to the relationship was that you and Jerry had? Like, it
was an amazing relationship, and everyone says it. Its not just

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HICKS: Well, now youre going to make me cry. Hmm, just give me a minute.

First I have to tell you something else, because I just figured this out yesterday, so its interesting
that youre asking this. I can hear Jerry. I can converse with him really easily now. And when Im just
really flying high, hes just right there. Its so interesting, how smart I am, stuff that he knew that I didnt
know that was his part of the business that I didnt really know, so hes just, if Im really feeling good, hes
just right there flowing, and its like elation. Its like a feeling almost of invincibility.

So then, this feeling happens, and it occurred to me yesterday that its not because hes gone. Its
because hes right there at that high frequency, that something about the conversation makes me dip in my
frequency, which makes it feel sad instead of elation. I just figured that out yesterday.
TRACY: Wow.
HICKS: Yeah. So, I, we just really like each other. Hes so smart. You know, I think the primary reason is
because we were vibrationally compatible before we came together. You know, we had the good fortune
of being in a good place when we met, and so, so, I mean, we never had an argument. We never had any
cross words, about anything, ever. But I think its because we were happy when we came together, and so,
and then we had the good fortune of being able to expand together.

And we also had Abraham, who, you know, if there was ever anything that was a ripple in either
one of our vibrations, they helped us to sort it out.
TRACY: Right. And you guys shared that with everybody, so everyone can use that information
HICKS: Well, we had no choice.
TRACY: thats the amazing thing. So, you guys would have any problem and then youd share it with
the world.
HICKS: Right.
TRACY: You guys have any issue and you share it with the world.
HICKS: Right, right. [chuckles] Abraham blabbed everything.
TRACY: And thats probably like all the people that get your tapes each month, they have that advantage
of, I guess, sharing your lessons

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[Simultaneous discussion and laughter]

HICKS: It goes two ways. Sometimes they would say, people would say, oh, we really like how you guys
mess up all the time because it lets us know youre human, and then we learn from what Abraham is
teaching you, but then others would say, if you cant get it
TRACY: Right. [chuckles]
HICKS: then what chance do we have? And so, [chuckles] but we never tried to hide anything, because
theres no point. And because I really believe that the contrast in our life is what causes the expansion, and
the expansion is what we all came for. And so, just more lately than ever before, I dont feel any need to
apologize ever for not being in the best place, and Im not always in the best place. If you talk to the people
who are up close to me, theyll tell you that, you know, theres a difference. Jerry used to [chuckles]
Jerry used to say you should make a sign with Esther on one side of it and Abraham on the other because
youre different.
[Laughter]
TRACY: Depending on which ones there.
HICKS: Exactly. And Abraham always teases that we look so much the same, you know, that we should
give them a warning
TRACY: Right
[Simultaneous discussion and laughter]
HICKS: who they were encountering.
TRACY: youre going to just carry it around
HICKS: Exactly, exactly.
TRACY: And so that other thing about you and Jerry and Abraham that always struck me is that like, Im
probably the last person that ever thought hed be sitting here talking to someone who talks to Abraham,
because of my background, I was a CPA
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HICKS: Jerrys, too.

TRACY: I didnt believe, like, any of this stuff, and you two kind of were like that, too
HICKS: For sure.
TRACY: but all of a sudden, you have this come in. Like you
HICKS: Right.
TRACY: and even in your minds today, youre feeling like this isnt that weird because you know that
you guys are so practical, you know.
HICKS: Well, you know why I think it isnt weird, is because everybody does it. We all have, except we
dont know it and so we block it. I mean, anything that, Im realizing now, see its interesting because
when Abraham came to us, Abraham was not someone we knew. It wasnt like a grandfather who had died.
TRACY: Right.
HICKS: It was a consciousness that, it was infinite intelligence. And it came in response to Jerrys really
powerful, really thought-out questions that hed gotten from his life. So, the moment that Abraham started
speaking through me, it was practical and loving and the deepest wisdom. And because Jerry was so, he
had studied so much about business, about psychology, about human relations, he was such a teacher
and read everything, so when he met Abraham, he knew that there was something big and important,
and because I knew Jerry, we were together five years, wed been married for five years before we met
Abraham, I trusted Abraham because I trusted Jerry.
TRACY: Right.
HICKS: And Jerry was just on fire. He just, he couldnt, he just couldnt talk to Abraham enough. It was
like so much that he wanted to know, and Abraham was just so practical. The first, Jerry would say, we
lived in Phoenix at the time and we would be driving and something would happen in traffic or he would
see some injustice, and so he was always asking Abraham, Well, why are people like that, or why is that
happening, or what about that? And Abraham would say, Well, thats not your work. Well, thats not
your work. And, well, thats not your work.

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And finally Jerry said, Well, what is our work? What, if its not, if our work isnt to fix things that
are broken, then what is our work? And so, Abraham said, We thought you would never ask
[Laughter]
HICKS: And then we began, then they began talking about what our work was.
TRACY: Right. I mean, everyone who hears Abraham and reads the books, the information is amazing,
and I think thats what brings people
HICKS: I think thats a credit to Jerry, because Jerry was practical, and his questions were practical. And
they always said that we made a good team, and now you and our audiences, people around the world,
because Jerry was asking, and they say that, you know, the vibration of the question and the vibration of
the answer are so different that, when our question is really active within us, we cant find the answer. So
thats why the asking is like step one. And then the answering is step two. Thats where Abraham comes in.

But then you have to be in the vibrational place to allow the receiving of the answer, and so, and
that really is what our work is all about, because everybodys got questions, and source has been answering
all of us all along. This is not a special situation. Source is answering all of us all the time.
TRACY: I think that was a great point that you made earlier, is that you have Abraham, but everyone has
Abraham
HICKS: Everybody does, yeah.
TRACY: They have their own version of Abraham.
HICKS: And what I had was Jerry, who was going to keep asking until he understood the answer, and
thats, so we were doing that for a long time before we told anybody else about it. So by then, you know,
Abraham had had a way of explaining it that was easy for people to understand.
TRACY: And did Jerry have, like you say, everyone has someone that helps guide them, so did Jerry have
different people that helped guide him?
HICKS: You know, I dont know what the collective consciousness is. You know, we talked a lot about
that, Jerry and I, because there was no way that we could define who Abraham is, or where they come

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from, and Jerry was extremely intuitive. You know, I know, I think he was living Abraham on his own,
before we ever met Abraham and they began explaining their philosophy of life.
TRACY: Right.
HICKS: Jerry was always an allower. You couldnt pick a fight with him. He looked for the best in
everyone, always.
TRACY: So he almost knew the answers before they were asked
HICKS: He did. I think through trial and error in life. You know, I think we all know that. Thats why the
most common thing that people say to us after they get an opportunity to hear Abraham or read Abraham
is, its like I always knew this, and so I think what Abraham does is just help us find our natural resonance
with source, and then were off and running.
TRACY: Yeah. And is the easiest way for people to connect to their own through meditation, their own
knowledge or their own answers?
HICKS: I think it helps to know a few things. I think it helps to know that a question and an answer are
different frequencies. A problem and a solution are different frequencies. So I think it helps to know, dont
keep beating the drum of the problem or the answer is never going to come.

The other day, I mean, Ive been doing this for a long time. We met Abraham in 1985
TRACY: Wow.
HICKS: And the other day, I have this process where when I pack, I take everything out of my suitcases,
because I accumulate stuff everywhere I go, so I take it all out and I have a checklist and then I put
back in what matters, and so that Im secure when I get on the airplane that I have what I need with me.
And I have this external hard drive. Its orange and its only this big. And its got everything from all
my computers, and I carry it with me just in case theres something I want, because my new computer
doesnt have it all in it.

And Im freakishly worried about that because its got so much data on it, and I dont want to lose
it. And I dont want somebody else to get it. All the things that Abraham would say I shouldnt feel about
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[Laughter]
TRACY: Right.
HICKS: So I took it out of my bag, put it on a carpet, that was about the same color as this carpet, and
when I went through the checklist, I couldnt find it.
TRACY: Wow.
HICKS: And, Reid, it was right in plain sight but I couldnt find it. I know that sounds
TRACY: No, I
HICKS: like a crazy person
TRACY: I think everyone would understand that
HICKS: like a crazy person
TRACY: weve all been kind of in that position
HICKS: It was right there.
TRACY: Yeah.
HICKS: So, I called Mark, told him I thought Id lost it, asked him if I maybe had given it to him because
we exchange these orange drives all the time. He said, does it say old MacBook Pro on it? I said, yes, it
does. He said, its right here on my desk. So I said, well, I dont know why I would have given it to you,
but now I relaxed. And now Im putting something else in the suitcase and there is an orange drive, and
thats the orange drive Im looking for. The one he had was the one before.
TRACY: Right. So once you let go
HICKS: Once I thought it wasnt lost, once I stopped freaking out, that it wasnt lost, if it hadnt
happened to me, Im not even sure I would even want to hear that story from someone else because it
was in plain sight.
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So, its like we cant find the solution when the problem is active. Its just like that.

TRACY: Right.
HICKS: And so, so I think Abraham just has soothed us into more recognizing that the answer is always
there. We have a thing that we put on our dashboard, and its reverse print so when you look at it, you cant
read it, but when it reflects back in the windshield, you can read and it says, things are always working
out for me.
TRACY: Oh, wow.
HICKS: And I think thats what Abraham has helped us to understand, is that no matter what, no matter
how it looks, things are working out. And if we will relax and know that, then they will work out fast.
So you asked about whats the easiest way for me, and meditation is a really good tool. Appreciation is
equally good, but if youre in a bad mood or somethings happened, you cant find appreciation, its too far
away, where meditation, I can always quiet my mind. I can always slow it down, but I cant necessarily,
and then it gets up-to-speed. You know, the vibration raises.
TRACY: Right.
HICKS: And the other thing I was going to say, because Ive been hearing Abraham tell this to the audiences,
that they say because you are patient enough to sit and listen to us ramble for this 20 or 30 minutes, you
are now up-to-speed, because you cant, you just cant listen to happy music or to positive conversation
without it tuning you upward. And I cant listen to negative stuff without it tuning me downward. So . . .
TRACY: I guess no matter where we are in the process, we always are going to have some negative stuff.
HICKS: Yeah, and thats okay. Theyre really trying to convince us that thats okay, because without the
contrast, we cant figure out what, the new that we want, and without figuring out what we want, then
the energy doesnt flow. And if the energy doesnt flow, then we dont feel alive. I mean, its all part of it.
I mean, I used to be embarrassed when things would go wrong, like I wasnt living what Abraham was
teaching, and now theyve convinced me that, without that contrast, I cant define anything and its my
defining it that is my expansion.

So, and Jerry always said, oh, good, something to wonder, oh, good, oh, good, something to figure
out. He never was embarrassed by any of that. He, you know, because he was never pretending that he was
something that he wasnt.
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TRACY: Right, there you go. Thats great. And thats another amazing lesson, is that everyone says, oh, if
youre teaching all this you should be perfect, and no one is perfect
HICKS: Yeah. Oh, and not die. People are, we get, theres a lot of interesting comments of people, well,
of all the people, you know, you should have been able to prevent Jerry from making his transition, and I
say, believe me, if I could have, I would have
[Laughter]
HICKS: but it turned out it wasnt my choice.
TRACY: Right. Well, thats one thing, no one gets out without making that transition. You havent heard
of anyone yet and I dont think were
HICKS: Oh, its a wonderful thing, too. Its a wonderful thing.
TRACY: Right. And in your communication with Jerry, has he given you any like tips of things that, you
know, like this, I really realize this is the thing we should do here?
HICKS: Oh, the best thing, about a month ago, and it, [chuckles] its helped me so much. So one day, it
was something about work, about something going on there, and I couldnt figure out what to do. And so
I was kind of trying to feel it out, you know, well, what do you think and what do you think and what do
you think? And so, I write with Jerry just about every morning, and so, of course, Im saying, what do you
think, because what he thinks is always really good.
TRACY: Right.
HICKS: And he said, You know, your opinion about your life, about our business, matters more than
everybody elses put together. And then he said, I dont really want to say opinion as much as perspective.
Your perspective really carries a lot more weight. So, when you decide something, you didnt come upon
it frivolously. Its based upon all these years of knowing how things go and knowing what you want and
knowing how it works out and knowing what feels best. You didnt make that decision frivolously, but
now youre worried that somebody else isnt going to like it.
TRACY: Right.
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HICKS: And so then when you ask somebody else how they, what they think about it, all you do is
introduce clutter into your vibration. And he said, And we know, dont we, we know that alignment is
about no resistance. Its about no clutter. Oh, its like, its like I just felt such elation in that moment. It
was like the weight of the world lifted off of me.
And it sort of made me kind of want to say, so this is what Ive decided and I dont care what you
think, and thats pretty bold, but this is what Ive decided and I dont care what you think, because if I
care what you think, if you disagree with me, then Im all fractured. And if Im fractured, then Im not in
alignment. If Im not in alignment, then Im not allowing what I want. It was brilliant.
TRACY: Yeah.
HICKS: But just the way he said it.
TRACY: Yeah, and its so interesting because we have an author named Anita Moorjani, who had this
near-death experience, and she had like, like she was dying. She had tumors the size of tennis balls all
throughout her body. And she was in a coma and the doctors said she wont leave the hospital tonight, you
know, and she went to the other side. And her message is, The most important thing you can do on this
side is be yourself. And thats almost the same thing that youre saying
HICKS: Oh, and like yourself
TRACY: And like yourself, yeah.
HICKS: be who you, be yourself and like yourself
TRACY: Because she
HICKS: You know, its funny
TRACY: thats what she spent all her time trying to make everyone else happy.
HICKS: Its funny that youre saying this to me, because while I was driving, the words Be true to
yourself were kind of coming across in my mind. I didnt have the radio on, and I wasnt, I didnt want to
talk to Jerry. I was just enjoying the drive. But those words came across my mind, Be true to yourself,
and then I thought, well, what does that mean? And then I thought, well, to me that means to be, if Im

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true to who I am, then Im a match to Abraham. And so they always love. They never hate. Theyre always
nice. Theyre never mean. Theyre always love. Theyre never afraid. You know, and I think thats what
that means, be really yourself, be who you really are.
TRACY: Be real to yourself
HICKS: Be who you really are.
TRACY: Different than be the person everyone else thinks you should be.
HICKS: Nobody knows, do they?
TRACY: No. So . . .
HICKS: Yeah. Hmm, fun.
TRACY: Okay, so now I have some questions for Abraham.
HICKS: Oh, good.
[Laughter]
HICKS: All right, it just takes a few seconds for me to bring them in, and then theyll just say hi. [Breathes
deeply]
ABRAHAM: It is nice to have an opportunity to visit.
TRACY: Im going to start off with just a simple question that I know many of the people that follow
your work and things have, and that is, theres been like a group, like we started with law of attraction,
then the vortex, then the grid, and I was just wondering if theres a difference between those or is it just an
extension of the work over the years?
ABRAHAM: It is an expansion of the work, certainly, and it is a further explanation. In the beginning, most
people that we were visiting with really did not understand that they are vibrational beings, at all. Most
people are action-oriented. They are keeping score of the things that they possess and of the behavior of
themselves and of others. But most people do not understand that there is a vibrational basis of everything.
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And so, we began talking about the law of attraction, which is the manager of that vibrational
basis. And so, we explained that you are the creator of your own reality. Those were words that were
spoken by Seth, and Seth explained that you create your own reality. Jerry wanted to know, how is that
so? It seemed like a good idea, to create your own reality, but how do I create my own reality? And so we
began explaining that you create your own reality because you are offering a vibration and that vibration
is being answered by things that match it.

And so, law of attraction is the best way to explain that. When you are focused upon something
that is making you feel angry, that anger is your indication that you are not in vibrational sync with what
you really want, but you dont know it.

So, then we explained that, not only was it helpful to know that you are a vibrational being, but
that you can control your vibrational output, because unless you are controlling it, then you are still the
creator of your own reality, but you are doing it by default. You are having responses to things, its this
sort of vicious cycle that so many people live in. They see something they dont like, they think about it,
they offer a vibration about it, then they get more of it, then they talk more about it, and so, it was really
to help people understand how to break that cycle.

So, we talked about law of attraction, and for a while we were calling the body of work the science
of deliberate creation. And we very much like the word science because science indicates ongoing. It
indicates evolution. But people got a little too in their head about the science of deliberate creation. They
began to be, they became too concerned about their words. They would say something and then try to
cancel it, try to slurp it back before the universe could get a hold of it.
TRACY: Right.
ABRAHAM: And so, we wanted to emphasize the part that humans really play in the deliberate creation of
their own lives, because they dont really consciously ask, not really, because life just poses the questions.
When you know what you dont want, you then know what you do want. It happens naturally. You knew
it when you decided to come into this time-space reality.

So, that part you dont have to figure out because it happens naturally. We call that step one, asking.
Step two is not your work. Thats the part where the universe answers. Thats where source answers.
Everything that you are asking for is always answered. But step three, thats your part. You have to be a
vibrational match to what youre asking for. And so we began calling it the art of allowing.

So for quite some time, that was the basis of what we taught. We explained to people that the basis
of your life is freedom. And the purpose of your life is joy. And the result of that will be never-ending
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TRACY: Right.
ABRAHAM: and so they put the emphasis on the growth, and were trying to put the emphasis on the
joy. So, we began talking about how you explore the contrast, and the contrast causes you to send out
these vibrational rockets of desire. And every time you do that, vibrationally those requests are answered.
People dont believe that because they dont see the results of them. They dont see the manifestation, and
they want the manifestation.

So, we began, your words are good words, in the expansion or the evolution of the message, we
began to realize that we needed to find a way to help people accept that they were, in fact, launching
rockets and that those rockets were, in fact, being answered and that creation had, in fact, taken place. So
to make it tangible, something that people could get their thoughts around, we explained that there is this
vortex, its a vibrational reality, it precedes all manifestation, and if you can accept that it is real, that it
has happened, that it is true, that your request has been answered, then youre in that state of allowing, and
then it can manifest for you.

So then we realized, as we were interacting with a lot of people, that they were sort of, kind of
accepting the reality of this vortex. But they could not make the jump. If its in the vortex, then how does
it become reality? So, we began explaining that, once your frequency matches the frequency of whats in
the vortex, then you realize it. Then it occurs to you. Then it manifests. Then it becomes actual. Then its
tangible. Then you can see it and hear it and smell it and taste it and touch it.
But first, it doesnt manifest instantaneously. It manifests in the form of an idea or an impulse or a
rendezvous. Before you called Jerry and Esther and asked if Abraham would write a book that you could
publish, Jerry had been saying for about a month, Im ready to let this expand, I think its time for more
people to find out about Abraham. So he had known that the information was of value, but he had just
barely begun speaking, this is something that I want.

And as soon as he spoke, this is something that I want, his grid filled in.
TRACY: Oh, okay.
ABRAHAM: In other words, the grid filled in, a phone call from Louise. Several things happened around
that. Several leaders in this field of helping, Wayne Dyer called and said, If theres anything that I can
do to help expand this message, please, just ask. John Gray called, If theres anything that I can do, just
ask. People who were already uplifting, people who already had audiences gathered, in the moment that
Jerry framed those words into a sentence, Im ready to let this expand, the grid began filling in. And thats
the kind of thing that were wanting people to understand. Its not an easy thing for people to understand
a vibrational universe when they are accustomed to viewing the world in tangible form.
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And so for most people, they want to see it before they are willing to accept it, and we want them to
understand, you have to accept it before you are going to see it, even though its all around you. What you
want is zigging while youre zagging, unless you are a vibrational match to what you want. And people
dont realize, most are not a vibrational match to what they want. Most people are a vibrational match to
the absence of what they want because thats what theyre talking about. I wish I had that, or when that
comes to me, I will feel better, but their emphasis is up on the absence of what they want.
TRACY: Right. One of the big issues that people have, like when we do things on the Hay House Facebook
or websites or even in Louises work for all these years has been forgiveness, and thats a huge issue for
people, and I was wondering what your thoughts are on forgiveness.
ABRAHAM: Well, weve teased our friends with that word, telling them that weve never forgiven
anyone because weve never condemned them to begin with. Just because we want to get their attention,
not because we are showing off
TRACY: [Chuckles] Right.
ABRAHAM: But what the true meaning of forgiveness is, if you think about what weve been talking
about and what you were talking with Esther about, about your vibration, your true vibration being a
very high, pure frequency. You are love in physical form. You are pure positive energy. Thats who you
really are. We like the analogy of the cork bobbing on the surface of the water, and you can hold it under
the water, but when you let go, it will bob back. And that bobbing back to the surface is what we know
everyone who is physically focused will do energetically when you make your transition.

In other words, if youre not doing something that holds you in a lower vibration, your vibration
will naturally raise. So, what forgiveness really is, is distracting yourself from the excuse you were using
to have a lower vibration, I blame that or I blame that. And we say, you are valid in your reasoning because
that isnt something you want, and perhaps that isnt something that that person should have done if they
were really being true to who they are.

But by focusing upon this so-called wrongdoing and calling it wrong and using it as your excuse
to not bob up there in the frequency that is you, you feel terrible. Thats what hatred and anger are. Thats
what those feelings of guilt and blame are. So, true forgiveness is just letting go of that cork. And what it
really is, is distracting yourself from the excuse that you were using for the lower vibration.
TRACY: Right.

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ABRAHAM: Well, thats not an easy thing to do because you didnt come to that opinion easily. You came
to that opinion by what you have been observing. So that means, you have to care enough about feeling
good to deliberately observe other things. And most recently, really recently, since weve been talking
about the grid, weve been explaining to people that, if you can get out ahead of things vibrationally rather
than having knee-jerk responses to things, because when someones rude to you, it takes someone really
tuned in for that to bounce off.

But if you have been meditating that morning, if youve been tuned in, tapped in, turned on, if
youre feeling good, if youve been listening to music, if you are in love with life and someones rude
to you, you dont take it that hard. You just recognize that theyre having a bad day. You dont, and then
later, you dont have to forgive yourself or ask them to forgive you because you were rude back. Its sort
of about accepting that people are where they are, that you get to choose where you are.
TRACY: Right. And usually people are looking back at something that happened in the past and they cant
let go and let the cork go up, as
ABRAHAM: And theyre feeling regret, and regret is perhaps the most wasted moments in time, because,
first of all, you cant go back and undo it because it happened. And it really is about just deciding, right
here, right now, I want to be as in alignment with who I really am as I can, whats the easiest way for me
to get there, whats the best-feeling thought I can find from where I am?

And sometimes that best-feeling thought is not all that good- feeling, by others standards. If
youre depressed, revenge is a better-feeling thought. And if you are feeling revenge, then hatred is a
better-feeling thought. And if youre feeling hatred, then anger is a better-feeling thought. And if youre
feeling anger, then frustration is a better-feeling thought. And anyone who expects themselves or anyone
to jump from depression into joy, its not going to happen, because law of attraction is giving you things
that are very close to where you are.

So, you have to get hold of the idea, first, that Im a vibrational being, and next, that my emotions
are letting me know how far apart I am from who I am and what I want, how far apart I am from whats in
my vortex, which includes my inner being, my soul, my source, God, whatever you want to call that pure
positive energy. How far apart from it am I? And then, just dont be so hard on yourselves, because you
came to explore contrast. You didnt say, I want to go into an environment where everything is perfect.
There would be no expansion.
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ABRAHAM: You said, I want to go into an environment where I am inspired to choices beyond what
I know. Esther would have never, ever, ever chosen Jerrys, what she considered to be extremely early
departure, he was 84, thats not early departure by most standards, but Esther thought he was invincible,
was way early for her. She would have never wanted that or admitted that she wanted that. There was
nothing about that that she wanted.

But out of that contrast has come enormous expansion for her. And that may be what frightens
people about contrasts. They dont want to be tested, and you never are. But they dont want to stretch into
what is uncomfortable. And we want everyone to understand that you never need to stretch for very long
into what is uncomfortable, because things are always working out for you, but you have to find a way of
letting them work out for you.
You have to let go of that tension. You have to stop beating the drum. You have to stop holding to
those unpleasant thoughts. You have to stop blaming others or yourself. You have to find forgiveness. But
the finding of forgiveness really is the finding of the higher frequency, the natural frequency, the frequency
that is really who you are.
TRACY: Right. One of the questions I know you get a lot in all the seminars and things like that are,
people have, like, dreams of financial success, and like the reason it took off around the world was, Esther
and Abraham and all your work to get out there, The Secret put it in, and then it, like, went, took off, and
then people thought all I have to do is think a good thought and everything will come to me, a lot of money,
a lot of different things.
And so I think many people have simplified it and really havent wanted to do whats necessary
to really have it work for them in their lives. Its like, when I was talking with Esther earlier, she said
sometimes I forget and I have to do the work and I have to do things, and many people just dont seem
like they want to do the work to accomplish things in their life. Is there, like, a message to explain this or
is there a way people can help to apply things to create the financial success that they want?
ABRAHAM: This is the easiest way to explain this. If you have, lets say there are 10 predominant aspects
to your life, things that you think about frequently. Of course, there are more, but lets say there are 10.
And nine of them are not going that well. Your relationship isnt working and you dont have enough
money and youre not happy at work and so forth. There are nine significant things that are not working
out for you, but theres this one thing that you feel really good about.
If you would give most of your attention to that one thing and let it be the reason that you are
training your vibration upward, then the other nine things would begin improving, because when you ask,
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TRACY: Right.
ABRAHAM: And because it is given, and it is in the vortex, then all you have to do is find a way to be
vibrationally in alignment. Or another way of saying it is, dont do that thing you do that keeps you out
of alignment.

So by fussing about the things that arent going well, you hold yourself in a frequency that doesnt
let things that could very well go well. So if you focus on something that is going well for you and use that
as your reason to offer your vibration, then you raise your vibration, and then all of the answers that you
are looking for can flow to you.

The thing that hinders most people about money is that it interfaces with them on so many levels,
and so they are thinking about it a lot, but they are thinking about it from the aspect of not having it rather
than from the aspect of having it. We offer a process. We call it the wallet process, where somehow find
a hundred dollars and put it in your wallet, and then notice how many things you could buy today with it
if you wanted to. Dont spend it. Just think about how often you could if you wanted to. It will give you a
feeling of prosperity, and in time, in a very short period of time, money that you didnt expect to flow to
you begins flowing in.

Words do not teach at all. Its odd that we offer so many.
TRACY: [Chuckles]
ABRAHAM: Because it is only life experience that teaches. So, if we can offer a process and someone
will then apply it and then they get results from the process, then we always like to explain what that
process helped you do was release some resistance or practice less-resistant thoughts, because youve
done enough wanting to keep yourselves busy for 20 or 30 lifetimes. Your vortex is full of everything you
want. You just need to stop doing those things you are doing that is keeping it from coming, especially on
the subject of financial abundance, because that, that is something that comes up so often, you could show
yourself really easily.

Also, we like to encourage you to start with things that are easier. You show yourself that law
of attraction is responding to you relative to easier things, and by easier we mean things you havent
practiced contradictory thoughts about so much. Then, after a little while, you begin to feel invincible. It
doesnt take much before you show yourself. Sometimes you will forget, but you will always be able to
fall back on some of those things that have happened.
TRACY: And is it sort of like everyone says the rich get richer and the other people struggle because those
people really just believe that its easy to
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ABRAHAM: It certainly is a law-of-attraction thing, because when you feel prosperous, you are
vibrationally not resisting. A very common question to Jerry and Esther through the years has been
about the subject of tithing, should we tithe, and we like to explain that the reason that tithing often can
turn prosperity in someones experience is because, if you have this feeling of abundance and you are
appreciating your own well-being and you have the feeling that not only do I have all that I need and want,
but I have excess that I would like to give to someone else, thats prosperity thinking. Thats abundance
thinking. Theres no shortage consciousness.

So thats why some who tithe thrive and some who tithe dont thrive. We say tithe your clothing
account. Tithe to
TRACY: [Chuckles]
ABRAHAM: tithe to your vacation account. In other words, were not requesting tithing. Were just
explaining why tithing is beneficial for those who feel abundance when they do it.
TRACY: Right. So if you tithe to get the feeling, it doesnt work. Its tithing gives you the feeling.
ABRAHAM: If you tithe out of obligation or responsibility or you resent it when you do it, then it serves
you not at all. But if you tithe out of appreciation of your own abundance, now . . .
TRACY: Yeah, that makes sense. So one of the questions that people asked when I asked them to ask what
it would be is that, when Esther leaves this plane here, will Abraham continue through someone else?
ABRAHAM: Its interesting that you would ask that, and were going to give you a very direct answer
about it, because Esther remembers hearing that Seth had explained that he was only speaking through
Jane, and that bothered Esther because when she began receiving Abraham, she knew that she could
tap into that Seth energy. But as it unfolded, she began to understand that the Abraham that people are
identifying of Abraham is the Abraham that Esther is interpreting. In other words, we are not whispering
words to Esther that she is repeating. We are offering thought to Esther, vibration to Esther, and at an
unconscious level, she is translating it into the physical word equivalent.
TRACY: Right.
ABRAHAM: So, Abraham is a collective consciousness that is being interpreted, and that collective
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available to all. Its the Christ-consciousness. Its the Buddha-consciousness. Its the consciousness of
source. This is the consciousness of teacher. Its the consciousness of well-being. Its the consciousness of
love. And it is at all times available to all people.

And so, when Esther makes her transition, the flow of Abraham, as it is interpreted through
Esther, will stop. But there is always another and another and another and another and another and
another and another.
TRACY: So I met this woman this weekend. Her name is Scarlett Lewis. And she lives, shes from
Newtown, Connecticut, and her son, Jesse, was killed in the shooting at the school. Shes really an amazing
woman, like just her experience with it all, but she showed me some things. Like Jesse drew this picture
of an angel and like a man with his face blacked out and like a gun on his side before this day. And before
he went to school this day, he wrote like a love note and good-bye note to his mother on a chalkboard, and
to his brother, 12-year-old brother, like that.
And they were planning to go do like a gingerbread house after school, but, you know, when the
parents took him to school, he said, You know, I dont think were going to be doing the gingerbread
house, and the dads like, Yeah, we are, we have everything, were going to do it.
So, Im just trying to figure out like if people actually know whats going to happen before it
happens. Are people here for a certain reason? And I know the contrast and everything that youre saying,
but Im just curious, your thoughts on that.
ABRAHAM: So its a wonderful question and a wonderful experience that you live to lay a basis for it,
the best ever that weve heard.

Yes, from your broader, nonphysical perspective, you have keen awareness of probabilities, and
we want to extend that word probability even further into the word of certainties, because everything is a
vibrational reality first. The closer you are to the vibrational frequency of who you are, the more you have
access to that information.

But for that information to translate into the physical equivalent, into physical words or experiences,
thats where it gets a little awkward. Esther is certain that Jerry did not know that he had a physical
condition that was going to be the avenue through which he made his very fast transition. He always said
he wanted to be happy, healthy, happy, healthy, happy, healthy, dead, and it was pretty much like that,
healthy all of his life and then a few months of transition.

And so, Esther is certain that he did not know, and yet, there were so many things that he was doing
in preparation for that that, after it happened, she understood that on some level, thats the way she words
it, on some level she knows he knew. Now, if she had known that he knew and had confronted him about
it, he very likely would not have said anything. If this mother had seen the note on the chalkboard and had
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said, Whats this about? it is very unlikely that he would have explained what was going to happen. It
was a knowing from broader, nonphysical perspective.
TRACY: Right.
ABRAHAM: And understanding and clearly he was in vibrational alignment with source. And something
like that happening, your world is reeling from it and will for a while, and all kinds of things are happening
as a result of it, and will continue for a while, but the most significant thing from it is the understanding
that there is not death.

What we know for this mother, for all of these people, is that they can come to know, if they
want to and many of them do, some more ready than others, that not only did their child have a sense of
what was happening, a sort of premonition about it, but is tuned clearly to who they are now. They have
the ability now to interact, to feel, to receive impulses, to receive clear thought. There is no separation
between physical and nonphysical, other than what physical put in that place, you see.
TRACY: She feels that she can feel him, like her son pushing her to do this foundation to help people
think, you know, differently and . . .
ABRAHAM: And instead of the word pushing, we would say knowing how much fun she will have in
doing it, knowing how good it will be for her, knowing that its an object of attention that will restore her
to her normal alignment, knowing of the value that it will bring to others, knowing that he can play with
her along the process, along the way, knowing that there is no separation.
TRACY: Right.
ABRAHAM: This death thing is so misunderstood. Its so misunderstood. There is no death. Its only
life and more life. But its bigger than people know, and we believe that through these people that youre
talking about and through Esther and others that theres a new understanding that is on the horizon, and
we will give it to you here briefly if youre wanting to hear it.
TRACY: Yes, I do.
ABRAHAM: Some people feel that theyve adapted to the idea of death. They know that there is
nonphysical. They know that there is something after this death. They believe that they will be together.
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nonphysical energy is focused forward here. Very few understand that this is the leading edge, that this
is the environment in which source is creating, that the creation, you began your comments and question
here by saying that people are wondering, what is the purpose for life? Why are we here in this physical
life experience? Why do we come into these physical bodies?

And the reason is because this is the leading edge of creation. This is where source is expanding
into fullness. This is the most that source becomes. And all that is source energy is flowing forward. And
so, when you make your transition to nonphysical, you dont cease to be. You continue to come forward.
Jerry does not have to come into another physical body, and certainly the consciousness that is him will
come forth into other physical bodies, but he does not have to come forth into another physical body to
have a glorious day with Esther and all of the friends, even you
TRACY: Right.
ABRAHAM: you feel him sometimes
TRACY: Oh, I do, yeah.
ABRAHAM: you feel his consciousness, his awareness, his knowing, his interest, his love, his passion
for your work and for his, you see. And so, this nonphysical consciousness is flowing forward and this
is where all of us are focused, you see. Its not you come, you have trial and error, you figure it out or
you dont, and then you reemerge into nonphysical for your judgment or for your reward or for your
punishment, nothing like that.

You come out of eagerness to be deliberate creators, to explore the contrast, to discover what you
personally prefer, to discover your own power of flowing energy, to hook in to this energy that creates
worlds, to let the energy that creates worlds flow through your fingertips toward your creative endeavors, to
uplift others, to find more contrasts, to launch more rockets, to recognize that youre not yet in alignment,
to have the thrill of coming into alignment, and yes, to experience the manifestation of your desire.
But it is the journey to those manifestations that rings your bells, that rang your bells before you
came, that rings our bells while you are here. Its about the journey, you see. And it is a never-ending
journey. This mother is upon a new journey. Shes upon the journey of discovering that there is no death.
Shes upon the journey of understanding that the consciousness of her child is still consciousness and that
this consciousness is not that of a child. Its that of a very wise being that came forth into this physical
experience with very deliberate intent, and that nothing went wrong that day, that nothing went wrong
that day, that it was part of the greater understanding. It was part of the contrast, to bring people into the
understanding of a number of things, mostly that there is no death and that source flows to and through all
who find a way to allow it, you see.
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These are wonderful times. This is the time of awakening. Its a time when more people than ever
before, not all, but more people than ever before will find vibrational alignment with who they really are,
so that they can live in joy, not in fear. That little boy did not go to school frightened that day.
TRACY: No.
ABRAHAM: And he did not reemerge into nonphysical from a fearful place, and he does not want his
mother to be sad. He doesnt want anybody to be sad about it. He wants everybody to understand that there
is only life and more life, you see.
TRACY: Right.
ABRAHAM: Have fun with it. Thats what, this is what this little one is saying; its supposed to be fun.
Its supposed to be fun. Its supposed to be fun. Freedom and growth and joy, put an emphasis upon joy.
Youre so free you can choose bondage, but put your emphasis upon joy, and the expansion will take care
of itself. There is great love here for you.
TRACY: Thank you.
ABRAHAM: We are complete.
[Closing music]
ANNOUNCER: Thank you for joining us during the 2015 Hay House World Summit. We hope to inspire
you to live a fuller and happier life with messages from our chosen experts. We wish you well as you
continue on your journey.
[End of session - 72:01 in length]

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