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How to Reduce Inflammation and Improve Joint Function and Flexibility – David
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INTERVIEW David "Avocado" Wolfe

WITH:
INTERVIEWER: Len Foley
DATE: 2007

Part 1 – Joint Health – David Wolfe

Len: This program is called "How to Reduce Inflammation and Improve

Joint Function and Flexibility," and I think the best place to start,
David, is to perhaps describe what the symptoms and causes of
varying degrees of inflammation and joint pain and arthritis
[00:00:25] are, because some people may actually be suffering from
this in a very small way but not even know that this may lead to
something even worse down the line.

So do you want to want to talk a little bit about some of the

symptoms that people need to be aware of, the early symptoms and
then the intermediate and then perhaps the later symptoms and what
can be done about them?

Avocado: I think that's a great place to start. My feeling is, is that most joint
problems and arthritic issues usually begin for people in their mid to
late thirties as very minor issues that linger around certain injuries –
say somebody broke a bone and it never quite healed properly. There
is no question that as time goes on, as we age, that these problems
actually increase. And that is a significant and important point
[00:01:17] for our whole entire approach to joint health, because we
have actually cracked the code of why. You know, why is it that a 3-
year-old child is not affected by joint pain and arthritis but say
somebody who is 75 is. And we are going to look at that and we are
going to start out by first being able to identify a problem.
 Here's one issue, is whenever you have an injury in a joint – let's say
you break a finger – and you start to [00:01:38] lose mobility and it
doesn't go away, you never get back a full range of mobility, well
that is the beginning of a problem. And this is where we have really
got to become aware of all the choices that we have in front of us at
a very young stage and nip the thing in the bud before it becomes a
more protracted problem.

The symptoms would be either immobility in the joint. It could also

be – there is a certain lubrication in the joint, so a lack of lubrication
[00:02:09] in the joint. This is affecting people a lot of times with
knee problems. They walk for a mile and their knees hurt so bad
they have to sit down because they don't have the lubrication in the
joint. It can also be an inflammation – so like a retention of water, or
it feels like a retention of water around a joint. And when you have
had an injury and you have bumps on the injury, on your bone – let's
say your broke a finger or toe – and then that bump never goes away,
[00:02:33] it becomes a hiding place for organisms that are
associated with arthritis, which we are going to get into.

Over time, as time goes on, arthritic pain can become chronic and it
can affect you all day long and what will happen is you will have
inflammation in the immediate area where there is an arthritic pain.
You will have inflammation, you will lose mobility. And this is
actually a lot of times what drive people completely out of their old
behavior patterns in [00:03:01] terms of their eating, their
supplementation, their herbs and all this kind of stuff. Because the
pain actually can become quite chronic and just, it just stays on all
the time. And when people get into that place they begin to get
solution-oriented, just to put it mildly.

Len: And again, what we are about is prevention-oriented, but we are also
going to address solutions and prevention. But can we [unintelligible
word] specifically what actually is inflammation? I know [00:03:29]
there are a lot of definitions on the Internet and in different books,
but what is the specific definition of what inflammation – what is
occurring when we do have inflammation?

Avocado: That is really a much more difficult question to answer than it

sounds. From my research and what I have come across is that
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 inflammation actually that remains, that is chronic, that needs to be
separated from inflammation that occurs if you get a giant bruise or
fall down [00:03:56] the street or you know slip on the stairs. That
will go away, because you have an inflammatory response and then
your body cools things off, the healing process begins and things go
back to normal.

But chronic inflammation is a whole different ballgame, and chronic

inflammation appears to be an autoimmune condition. And what that
means is, is that there is something in the center of that inflammation
that your immune system is not capable of getting [00:04:22] on top
of, is not capable of wiping out, eliminating and clearing from your
body. And when there is a multiple series of these problems over and
over again over a long period of time we end up with say deformed
fingers from rheumatoid arthritis or you know severe knee problems
or severe back problems. Of course the most unique bone in our
body – or actually series of bones and joints in our body – is our
spine. And if you look around, [00:04:49] the amount of spinal
problems, back problems, it's probably an epidemic.

But there are solutions, and what we have got to do is we have got to
get right to the core of what is causing that inflammation. When I
say that it is an autoimmune condition it means that there is some
kind of an organism or a parasite or whatever you want to call it that
is in that area of your body that your body cannot quite eliminate.
And we are going to approach it from that perspective [00:05:18] in
order to get the – what I believe the most appropriate solution based
on all the technology we have today.

Len: So just to clarify: inflammation can happen almost anyplace in the

body where there is a joint movement. Perhaps in the hands, in the
elbows, in the knees, in the spine, in the neck possibly as well?

Avocado: Yes. Not only where there is a joint. There can be inflammation in
other areas, but joint inflammation is the most [00:05:43] common
form of inflammation, and the reason why that is, is because the
inside of your joint where your two bones meet each other, where
the collagen are touching each other, where you have that juiciness,
that area is not vascularized. And that what means is it's not – there
is no blood flow into that area of your body. Therefore all your
immune weapons – your T1 fighter cells, your whole white blood
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 cell armada, may be limited in its ability to [00:06:15] get into the
joints.

And this is probably one of the most key points that we are going to
discuss in this particular topic of joint inflammation and how to
reduce it and get flexibility back. We have to be aware that inside
there can be a – essentially reaction, immune system reaction, that
because there is no flood flow into that area there is no oxygen and
therefore all the little bad guys, the viruses, nanobacteria which we
are going to talk [00:06:51] about, and fungus will root right into that
joint and at some point your body goes, "Look, we're putting out too
many fires over here. We can't even deal with this right now," and
the problem becomes chronic and continues to get worse.

So the lack of blood flow to the joint is the reason why mammals,
reptiles and birds in particular break down in that area first.

Len: And does that mean taking supplements as a protocol to eliminate

joint pain and inflammation [00:07:20] is not going to be enough –
just taking a calcium pill or just taking some type of a vitamin C
tablet?

Avocado: Yes. I mean, what we have really discovered in the last 100 years of
an incredible and significant amount of research into the area of
inflammation and joint pain is that there probably is not going to be
a quick fix. However, having said, occasionally it does happen. And
where it is going to happen is on a subtle energetic medicines like
[00:07:48] homeopathy or bee venom therapy. Where you can
trigger off a homeopathic reaction in the human body that suddenly
allows your immune system to uncode the intruder or to figure out
how to fight off the intruder, and suddenly boom, all the
inflammation goes out and your immune system comes out
victorious.

Now this does happen, and I want to mention that specifically the
approach that I'm recommending as part of the whole program that
we are going to be going through [00:08:15] here does include a
homeopathic component, which in this case the homeopathic
component that I am familiar with is bee venom therapy.

Len: And before we get into any specific remedies, let's just really briefly
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 talk about the consequences of not addressing this early on and what
it can mean say if you have had this problem for 2 years compared to
having it for 10 or 20 years and how much quicker you can alleviate
this if we address it quicker.

Avocado: To [00:08:48] answer that question what we are going to have to do

to elucidate that particular issue we are going to have to really get
into the nuts and bolts of what organisms are causing these problems
and then we'll go from there.

The primary organism that is causing these problems in just humans

– it's affecting, if a turtle lived long enough it would eventually go
down with inflammation of the joints and would actually eventually
become stiff and wouldn't be able to move and [00:09:13] it would
die. That's what gets every animal in the end eventually, and that's an
important point for people to know about, because I didn't know
about that. I thought that arthritis was specifically a human problem,
and it is not. Therefore there is some kind of an organism in nature
that is involved in kind of recycling us back. And if we can't get that
organism out of us then we are just going to go the same route. You
know, let's say we live to be 100. Great, but we will still eventually
go down with a joint problem or some kind of inflammation disease.

Steiner said that there are two types of diseases: inflammation

diseases and sclerotic diseases. Like psoriasis is a sclerotic disease.
However, modern science in the last 25 years has figured out that
both inflammation and sclerotic diseases [00:10:00] have one
organism in common, and that organism is a shell-forming organism
or a microscopic clam the size of a virus or a barnacle. If you are
familiar with boating you know what a barnacle is like, or if you
have seen a whale with those little things stuck on them. Or another
way of saying it is a little tiny little coral reef. Those little organisms
that form that coral reef, they are the primary organisms that cause
the inflammation that get in the joints [00:10:31] that start causing
flexibility and rotational problems, pain and eventually the
breakdown of the entire joint and the collapse of the immune system
in that specific area.

These organisms are called nanobacteria. That is how they have been
termed. Or now more recently they have been called calcium-
forming particles – and they are forming the bad calcium shells right
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 inside the middle of the inflammation.

Len: Before we talk about the difference between [00:10:57] good and
bad calcium also, because I think this is a crucial distinction, we just
need to remind everybody we are not here to diagnose or to treat any
diseases. This is purely spiritual advice. In fact, if you want to just
give that quick disclaimer, Dave, because I think it is really
important. Because nobody can hear this discussed in any other way
like this.

Avocado: Basically as an Essene Minister and an Essene Bishop now my goal

is longevity for everybody, and this is spiritual longevity. That is
really the focus of our conversation, and to have spiritual longevity it
is really good to be out of pain. Because if you are in pain all the
time eventually you know you're, you're gonna, your body is going
to crack somewhere, you know, your consciousness is going to crack
and there can be a giving up.

If we can get out of pain and get spiritually strong then we have
[00:11:42] actually succeeded in being closer to our Creator and our
Creator's intent, and that is for us to live healthy, happy, all the years
of our life on the planet, and we should have a long life on this
planet.

Len: Well let's, let's jump right into it then. Let's talk about the difference
between good and bad calcium, because I was taught as a child and
as an adolescent and you know now in my forties that, "Hey. You
need to eat a lot of cheese and drink [00:12:04] a lot of milk because
you need calcium," but then I learned that we are the highest
consumers in this country – in the United States – of calcium-based
dairy products, yet we have the highest incidences of osteoporosis
anywhere in the world. And we eat the most cheese. And Holland I
think was #2 or #3 and they also eat the most dairy products.

So what is good calcium, what is bad calcium and why is there this
massive myth [00:12:30] around "we can only get calcium from
dairy products"?

Avocado: We have all seen bad calcium before in our bathtubs or toilets and
we call it scale. And it's a formation of little calcium particles. That
kind of stuff is exactly what we are trying to avoid inside our body.
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 Now of course we have all seen good calcium, and that is any bone
that is naturally formed by the human body or any animal is good
calcium obviously. And we have to differentiate [00:13:00] between
good calcium and bad calcium because the organisms that form
these little shells that get into the middle of joints that are really the
center of inflammatory issues, those organisms form bad calcium as
byproduct of their metabolism, or they form a shell that your body
does not like. Your immune system doesn't like it.

In fact, to your immune system those little shells are like glass. It's
like chewing glass, and it literally [00:13:31] decimates the white
blood cells. And that is the specific point of why we have so many
joint problems today even though we really have an incredible
technology to get rid of the stuff. Because if we don't have the right
strategy, if we are not specifically using the right herbs, minerals,
superfoods, dietary strategies, lifestyle strategies, exercise strategies,
we may not be maximizing the ability of our immune system to deal
with this very dangerous organism [00:13:58] that eventually is
going to get people. You know, this is what takes people out in the
end.

Len: And so what foods to we need to avoid and what foods must we
absolutely ingest in order to get this good calcium?

Avocado: Okay. Well, the best calcium sources aren't actually even calcium-
containing foods. This is a shocker to some people, but when you
look at it [unintelligible word; scientifically?] I think you will realize
that there is a deep truth [00:14:28] in it, and of course it has a
significant time-proven element to it.

And there are two minerals that are particularly important to build
calcium. What I am saying is, is that you don't eat calcium to build
calcium in your bones. You need to eat magnesium and silicon in
order to get the appropriate calcium formed in your bones, in your
joints where you need it. And that violates a big theory that we were
taught in school, which is "in order to get sulfur [00:14:56] you need
to get sulfur; in order to get calcium you have to eat calcium." This
has been proven and has been known in herbalism for thousands of
years to be incorrect. And if you understand this, you have a tool.

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 But some of the lowest calcium-content foods that are eaten by
peoples in the world – meaning the lowest calcium diets – these diets
are actually somewhere you know way below the normal. I think it's
– I can't remember quite. It's like 20 – I can't remember what the
RDA in calcium is right off the top of my head, but it's about one-
fifth of the RDA in calcium. But these indigenous diets like in
Africa, Senegal, Sierra Leone, these indigenous diets have high
silica, high magnesium and there are no bone problems in people's
youth and teeth problems and they [unintelligible phrase] without
[00:15:47] the arthritic problems because their bones have been built
properly out of the right minerals.

Calcium – again, calcium is coming from dairy products and milk

and it certainly comes from green leafy vegetables, which is good,
but there is a problem especially with [unintelligible phrase] that
contain calcium because they contain – and this has been shown –
the organisms that cause the calcification or the joint inflammatory
response. And we don't want to be eating more of those guys.
Usually we are picking it up from the environment already, and we
don't want to overburden our immune system. But this is what is
[00:16:25] happening with the huge animal food diet that people are
eating, especially with milk and dairy products.

Len: So milk and dairy, do they actually lower our calcium levels
[00:16:33] or they just don't deliver any at all?

Avocado: Eventually they lower our calcium levels once our immune system
awry [correct word?]. When we are younger we have more
enzymatic ability to break down what is there and get rid of what is
inappropriate or not needed. As time goes on that is more and more
difficult. We know for example that the United States, the
Scandinavian countries and some Western European nations lead the
world in osteoporosis; they also lead the world in [00:16:59] milk
consumption. Milk consumption has been correlated specifically to
osteoporosis because the exact levels of milk consumption in
correlate exactly to the level of osteoporosis in that nation.

Len: Okay. So we know what to avoid. We primary want to avoid—?

Avocado: Specifically let me just go down a list here. I wanted to give specific
foods and we are going to give some, but the key thing is we want to
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 avoid dairy [00:17:29] products and we want to avoid foods that we
could be allergic to. I guess that is the easiest way to say it. Now that
is different for everybody, but the main ones are [1] dairy products,
and [2] wheat and grains that have been cooked. Those two lead the
world in allergic response. If we have an allergic response to a food
that we are eating our immune system is activated. That means our
immune system might be trying to fix what is going [00:18:01] on in
our pinky finger from a joint problem and suddenly goes, "Oh my
God, I've got to fix all the stuff over here" and then just has to leave
that alone and go run and try to repair what is going on in the
digestive system.

This is really critical, because we are trying to do with the whole diet
program as a lifestyle choice and as a spiritual choice is to introduce
foods into our body that our body likes, that there is no allergic
response, and that is not for [00:18:26] example loaded with
organisms that we don't want inside our body – for example meat
and especially the blood in the meat has a tremendous amount of
these organisms. So meat is very dangerous in that regard. Of course
dairy products are very dangerous in that regard.

And so therefore we want to move to less meat, definitely off dairy

products if we can do it. If we are going to do it we want to do it raw
and organic right from the goat that lives in [00:18:49] our backyard
and approach this from a whole lifestyle change.

Len: So when you are saying again organisms, are you referring
specifically to nanobacteria? And if so, is nanobacteria a thing in and
of itself or is that a broader term for a number of different
organisms?

Avocado: I am just talking specifically about nanobacteria. And what happens

is, and the reason why – you had stated it is really important that we
address this earlier on when these issues are very minor.
Nanobacteria [00:19:20] form shells, and when they keep forming
shells upon shells upon shells inside your joint for example,
eventually you start having mobility problems. And, more
importantly, those nanobacteria then help to create hiding places for
viruses in the case of rheumatoid arthritis and for fungus in the case
of like toenail fungus or fingernail fungus.

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 Okay. Nanobacteria then are specific to joint inflammation and to
inflammation in general. [00:19:51] It has been shown in the last
25 years that wherever there is a chronic inflammation – wherever it
is – it could be a psoriasis, it could be a joint issue. And by the way,
you will note that most psoriasis or skin disorders occur above a
joint. And the reason why that is, is because that psoriasis, the
organisms – whatever they are, the fungus – are rooted with the
nanobacteria right into the center of that joint.

Len: And is that why we see a lot of [00:20:16] elderly people who have
like strange little growths on their elbows and even on their knees?

Avocado: Yes, it is. In fact, we probably can conclude that the main cause of
disability these days in terms of mobility is arthritic pain and
inflammation and what ends up happening is you just can't move
around anymore and every time you do move there is pain.
Fortunately solutions exist.

Len: So, but it doesn't sound like a fair [00:20:41] fight, because these
little bacteria, these little organisms are able to get into places where
the nutrients that we would take to combat those ailments can't
penetrate. So what are some of the solutions that we can use to break
these organisms down and eventually get them out of our body
altogether?

Avocado: I guess the way that I want to answer that is, we have got to take a
preventative approach, as you mentioned earlier. So we are
altogether uniquely taking [00:21:09] a preventative approach, and
that is what we would like everybody else to do so we never run into
problems. However we may be down the road pretty far.

If we are in the preventative mode we can take a few extra herbs,

superfoods. We can for example select certain foods like garlic more
often. Garlic is a fantastic nanobacteria destroyer, a fantastic anti-
inflammatory. One of the best weapons for your immune system is
the oils in [00:21:36] garlic. And with a few additions and changes
in diet and just changing your lifestyle – and literally it is about
probably 5 minutes a day. It's really easy. But over a long period of
time the effects are dramatic. We can help – like for example my
friend Aaron who has been working with me for 5 years, we got him
on a gentle approach. He is not completely raw food, he is not
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 completely superfoods, but he has been able to do certain [00:22:00]
specific things. He got his knee inflammation problems which were
so severe he would walk a mile and couldn't walk. He would be in
chronic pain. He would walk a mile and he couldn't go any further.

And literally he spent 8 months in Argentina – no, I'm sorry, Chile –

hiking around with no problems at all. And again, he is not a super
disciplined guy, but he is disciplined enough to get out of pain. And
that's an important point. You don't have to be super-disciplined;
[00:22:24] you just have to do the right things, and eventually over
time the pain starts going down, the inflammation goes down and
your joint is able to heal itself, as it did in his case.

Now he has no knee problems at all, which is a miracle, because

when I met him 5 years ago when he started working for me he was,
you know – he couldn't walk a mile.

Len: Dave, you have created a very advanced program called the
LongevityNOW Program. Can you give us an abbreviated version of
things that people can do right now? Foods they can take, some
protocols that may only take a few minutes a day that they will be
able to see a difference in their joint and inflammation problems
within a few short weeks or even months?

Avocado: Absolutely. The way that this works – see, we have to be clever in
order to really pull this off and make it work. And what I mean by
clever [00:23:16] is, we just can't suddenly just you know stop eating
this and then suddenly eat that. We have to be a little bit more
sophisticated than that.

We have to take advantage of the most incredible herbs that are

available to us now that have a time-proven history as anti-
inflammatories and as stone destroyers, meaning they bring down
that bad calcium. We have to take advantage of the cleansing
technology [00:23:38] that we have today. And we put that all into
the LongevityNOW Program. And that's a four-tiered system. It's
just basically four stages. It's really simple – very simple. It takes 5,
less than 5 minutes a day. In fact you can get so used to doing it that
you don't even think about it.

You know, if you can take – if you can brush your teeth in the
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morning is what I tell people, you can do this. If you have
disciplined yourself in your life to be able [00:23:58] to brush your
teeth every day – and everybody has done this – you literally can do
anything. And this is based on that kind of approach. You do a little
thing in the morning, a little thing in the evening, you're done, it's
simple.

Here is the four-tiered system. One of the, one of the deals is, is we
have got to start breaking down the bad calcium in the joint or
wherever the inflammation is, and we need specific tools that have
been known to help out doing that. [00:24:24] One of the easiest and
one of the most common – it's one of the best sold supplements in
health food stores is methyl sulfonyl methane, MSM – or Mary-
Sulfur-Mary. This stuff, when you take over 7500 mg per day – you
don't start there, but when you get to there over a period of say a
month or two or three, then you start getting this dissolving factor
coming in – meaning it gets in your joints and it dissolves away the
shelling of these organisms [00:24:54] and allows that flexibility to
come back.

Most people who I talked to who have taken significant amounts of

MSM over a long period of time – in fact pretty much everybody I
have talked to, who have really done MSM, not just one 500-mg
capsule a day but 7500 mg a day – don't start there, you know, that's
where you finish – [unintelligible phrase] they have told me that
MSM— This [00:25:17] is the phrase I hear: "MSM changed my
life." That's what I hear. Because it's so effective at creating that
lubrication and dissolving that bad calcium. That is step one. We
want a bad-calcium-dissolver.

There are other ones, like zeolites, like DMSO. I don't want to
complicate things too much. MSM is real easy. I like the – I used to
do the powder. After a while it doesn't taste that good, so now I do
the vegetarian capsules whenever [00:25:46] I am doing lots of
MSM and it's great – easy. You can do it once in the morning, once
in the evening, no problem. Do it with your breakfast or your dinner.

Stage two is we need some of the most powerful herbal antibiotics.

And what I mean by that is there is a pharmacopeia of herbs that is
available to us now that has never been available in the history of the
world, and we can take advantage of the best of the best. And what
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we do with the LongevityNOW Program [00:26:08] is identity
specifically which herbs are the anti-inflammatories. And not just
anti-inflammatories – the best anti-inflammatories ever. And one of
those of course is garlic, as I mentioned. Aged garlic extracts are a
great way to go that allow you to be able to get all the goodies from
garlic without having to suffer with the garlic breath. But it is
specifically [00:26:35] aged garlic extracts, like Kyolic, which is a
brand name – a brand that I like. I like the research they do, they put
their money where their mouth is, I think they are a great company.
And I have no stake in that company, but I support them. I think they
do a great job of doing aged garlic extracts.

There is an incredible array of medicines that come out of the

mushroom world, and in the world of the herbs and what they can do
for us and [00:27:03] how they benefit us, mushrooms are specific to
the immune system. Meaning that like you could go eat for example
– I don't know, you would go get birch bark and make a tea out of it.
And that is good, and it's great for you, but it does not specifically
ramp up your T-fighter cells, it does not educate your immune
system in how to break down and uncode invasive organisms like
virus, like nanobacteria, etc., but the medicinal mushrooms that grow
on trees that have [00:27:36] been used for 5,000 years in Chinese
medicine and have been used in Native American herbalism and
European folk herbalism are tremendous and they have now been
extracted for us and simplified for us. Literally we take 5, 6, 7
capsules of that, split it up between the morning and the evening,
and I'm talking about a combination of the top medicinal mushrooms
– like reishi mushroom, agaricus mushroom, maitake mushroom.
You don't even have to know much [00:28:02] about what they are.
You just take them and you will figure it out. When you take all
those together [00:28:03] you begin over time – and it usually takes
about a year – to ramp your immune system up into a place it has
never been before to a place where I have experienced in my body.

I never get inflammation ever, for any reason, at all, ever. I never
have any sore joints ever for any reason, no pain whatsoever in my
body, because I have disciplined myself to take these medicinal
mushrooms over a long period time and I [00:28:30] do believe they
are a major factor.

Now there is more than that. There is of course the mangosteen rind,
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 which is one of the great fruits of the world. In fact, in Asia it is
considered the queen of fruits. If you have ever peeled an orange
before, there is a rind left over, a skin. Well, of the mangosteen that
rind is a super-powerful anti-inflammatory, and when combined with
appropriate minerals and just a little bit of alchemy, what can happen
is that you can even double or triple its effectiveness. I think that that
is one of the greatest things that is out there right now is the organic
mangosteen rind extracts. It's unbelievable how powerful that stuff
is.

There is one more that I want to name here. It is very popular in

South America, tremendous history behind it, and it is literally like
the #1 thing for flus and colds and immune system in South
America, and that is cat's claw or uña de gato. Uña [00:29:27] de
gato is an incredible vine. The root bark shaving can be used to
make a tea. It's a divine tea. It tastes good. My good, you know you
can heal yourself and drink things and eat things that taste good.

Len: David, can you ingest the bark also, or do you need to make it into a
tea to extract the nutrients from it?

Avocado: Well, you don't actually have to ingest it as a bark tea to get the
nutrients. You don't have to boil it or whatever. What has been done
[00:29:55] in recent years – in the last, pretty much the last 15 years
– is they have been taking cat's claw bark and just powderizing it
into such a fine powder that your body can absorb it easily, and I
have found that those are very effective and a great way to go.

Len: What about taking the tea and putting it into a blender and just
blending it up?

Avocado: Sure. You could do that too. You can do it any way. You could also
do extracts [00:30:12] where they make, they extract the ingredients
of cat's claw either using hot water and/or alcohol or both and then
powderize what is left over. And that is a very, very effective extract
and it is very, very concentrated so you can get a lot in a little, and
that's one of the great things we've got today. You know, everything
I am talking about here can just fit right into your purse or your
backpack and take it with you when you are traveling.

Okay. Now there [00:30:39] is a third stage to this LongevityNOW

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 Program and that is the wholistic support from various different
areas that we can take advantage of. One thing we know about
inflammation – and the marker of inflammation that is used in
medicine today is C-reactive protein. One of the things that we know
turns that C-reactive protein straight on the downward spiral is
enzymes. Now this is the key thing about the living foods diet, is the
living foods diet [00:31:12] shuts off the inflammatory response.
And if you are new to living foods, what we are talking about is
adding into your diet organic fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds,
sprouts, wheatgrass, seaweeds, of course herbs – the common
vegetable herbs like oregano and thyme and marjoram and all those
things and the more complex herbs that we have been discussing
such as the medicinal mushrooms, superfoods like goji berries, like
maca and things of that nature.

When [00:31:45] you add these things into your diet you number one
create an automatic anti-inflammatory response. And these foods are
so rich in enzymes that they actually begin to take that C-reactive
protein and just send it right back to where it came from, knock that
score right down, and begin to help get us out of pain. I have seen so
many cases of people who are in chronic pain for years become
completely well with living foods. It's a [00:32:12] joke. I mean I've
been doing living foods education for 13 to 14 years now, and I have
seen exactly how powerful living foods can be as supplemental
support to our lifestyle and what we are doing.

We just do the best we can, learn and educate, get involved with
people who are into living foods and go to live food restaurants, raw
food restaurants and, and just get into the environment and you will
find it's fun, it's easy and it tastes great. I mean, it [00:32:35] tastes
better than the other stuff, that's for sure.

Len: So these recipes, we are going to have three drink recipes and a
couple of simple protocols at the end of this program within the
manual that you are going to be able to easily follow through. You
are going to be able to buy these products online. Some of them are
sold in bulk quantities very cheaply. And once you get into this habit
you are actually going to need to eat less food because you will be
getting more nutrition in your body, and you are going to be feeling
better and losing weight and your cravings are going [00:33:02] to
go away.
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 I can't even begin to tell you how much it will change your life. So
this isn't some kind of bland horrible thing you have to do for a while
to make the joint pain leave. This is something that you are going to
adopt and you are going to fall in love with, I promise you.
Everybody I have introduced this system to has ended up loving it –
not just for the taste of it but how it makes them feel.

Avocado: Len, I think you are touching [00:33:24] on such an important point,
and that is nobody wants to do anything that is difficult. People want
to do stuff that is simple and easy. And what we are doing here in
this approach to joint inflammation and getting that flexibility back.
It's just chunking it down so it's just as easy as possible and it will
still work.

And you don't have to be a genius. You know, like talking about my
friend Aaron, this guy is amazing but you know he is not [00:33:47]
like the most disciplined guy in the world. But I'll tell you one thing:
he is out of pain, because he is able to do a few of the right things
consistently over a long period of time.

And one more thing. When you mentioned about kids, like getting
your kids to do this stuff – and you can, this is all safe for kids.
Wonderful. You know, kids' immune systems. Awesome. And it will
help them in other ways. Kids don't have joint problems usually
unless they [00:34:07] are born with you know some weird you
know strange issue. But kids can benefit in other ways, because their
immune system will be ramped up and they will start to put in a little
bit of reserves into their longevity bank account. Because they are
not subtly accumulating this stuff, their immune system is always
wiping the slate clean.

Pets. That's the one that I wanted to say. If you have pets, this stuff
works on pets too! Pets [00:34:34] can benefit. What takes out the
pet, right? What is gonna get the cat or the dog? Like the dog: hip
dysplasia. What is hip dysplasia? Joint problems. What causes it?
Inflammation. What's the inflammation? An organism that gets into
the hip joint.

And you are going to see that it is ubiquitous. It is all over the place,
these joint issues. It doesn't just affect humans. But fortunately
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 [00:34:52] we have solutions.

Okay. So the enzyme piece is the living food diet, and that is really
our main support in terms of getting that – just the inflammatory
reaction [under control]. Let me just give you one bit of research on
living foods and raw foods, especially plant-based foods. Paul
Kirchhoff [spelling?] was a scientist back in the 1930s. His research
has sense been replicated, and he [00:35:15] was the first guy to
demonstrate the immune system reaction to eating food. Before he
came along the medical community thought that every time we ate
food our body would react to the food as a foreign object and attack
it with white blood cells.

But Paul Kirchhoff discovered that that was not the case; that when
we ate cooked food, processed food, our body [00:35:39] would
attack it like a foreign object. Our immune system would be
activated. And that is the key point. When we eat living foods our
immune system is not activated to fight off what is in our digestive
system, because what is in our digestive system is good for us. Does
that make sense?

Len: That is absolutely incredible.

Avocado: That's incredible research.

Len: To think that the body treats cooked food like a disease or like a
foreign invader.

Avocado: Like [00:36:05] a foreign invader. And this can – you can actually
do this. You can do this yourself. You can just literally get a
microscope and eat a giant steak dinner with baked potatoes and
everything else and then observe your blood an hour later under a
microscope and you will see that the white blood cells are all over
the place. They have gone crazy, you know, they have exploded into
your blood.

And then you could the same. [00:36:23] You could eat an entirely
living foods meal – a beautiful salad with avocado in it and stuff like
that, and then look at your blood an hour later under the microscope
and you'll see, "Whoa!" There is a massive difference.

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 And he discovered that in fact when you eat food that is good for
you, that is healthy – completely healthy for you – you do not
activate your immune system, you do not stimulate your immune
system to become overactive, and therefore your [00:36:50] body
starts to go into an anti-inflammatory state.

Now I want to state this, that if we have eaten cooked food our
whole life – and we all you know grew up on that stuff. We all grew
up not just on cooked food just garbage, most of us. We are in a
place where we have created a little bit of an autoimmune condition
inside of our digestive tract, because our immune system has been
activated every time we eat something. And so we just need to
gently wean ourselves [00:37:13] off those old habits rather than
jumping you know whole hog plus the postage and a pickle into the
new diet and lifestyle.

You need to just gradually take those steps, because you have got to
calm and soothe the immune system and just bring things back down
to a normal and natural level.

Len: Okay. So you have gone into specifically different herbs that we can
use and some different supplementation that we can take and that is
not very expensive, that [00:37:38] is really easy to do. What also
are some of the more recommended anti-inflammatory live foods
that we can eat?

Avocado: Well, let me just give you one more bit of this whole thing. And I
want to mention the superherbs and superfoods. And if we are going
to get into foods, we have got to touch on really where the most
powerful foods and herbs are. I want to touch on them first. And we
call them the superfoods or the superherbs.

In athletics a lot of times they call them adaptogens, meaning there

are certain superfoods or foods on the planet that are so powerful
[00:38:19] that they help you adapt to any kind of stress, any kind of
immune system problem, any kind of pain, any kind of
inflammation. Those are well known to us in the category of what
we call like ginseng, rhodiola, the goji berry. These are of a category
of adaptogens that are so darn powerful that they are where we have
got to go first. Because if you are going to change one thing today, I
would recommend adding in say those superfoods versus lettuce. I
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 think [00:38:50] lettuce is great, but it's not going to give you the
anti-inflammatory response that a goji berry is going to give you.
You know what I mean?

Len: Sure. Sure.

Avocado: And we can take advantage of these adaptogens. For example Tulsi
is a great adaptogen, [also known as] Holy Basil, from India. That is
one of the great adaptogens of the world. Nettles. Simple nettles.
Nettle powder, nettle leaf tea is an adaptogen, one of the great herbs
[00:39:13] of the world. You know I could go on and on, and these
are all listed in the LongevityNOW Program. It's all there. It makes it
easy for you. And places where you can get it already encapsulated
for you. And so it's just the easiest thing ever.

Len: Actually, we'll just mention that these are mentioned in the manual,
because we are going transcribe this and have these laid specifically.
So these will all be mentioned and spelled out for [00:39:38] you and
places that you can get them in the manual, so you want to refer to
the manual on these different types of foods.

Avocado: Right. Exactly. And we are going to turn you on to new things like
camu camu berry powder which is a vitamin C plant powder, but it's
a botanical. It has not been synthesized in a laboratory. It's natural,
it's a plant, it's just been dried and powderized. And that way you
can start taking advantage of—

I mean, anybody who is listening to this right now, please take

infinite advantage of the technological innovations that we have
achieved in the field of nutrition and in health. There are so many
incredible things out there.

When somebody comes to me and they say, "I've tried everything!"

guess what? They haven't tried everything. In fact they have usually
tried nothing. When somebody comes to me and they say, "I've tried
everything," I say, "Okay, [00:40:29] great. Let's get a blank white
piece of paper out, here's a pen, I want you to list everything you
have tried." And I have never, in 13 years of doing this kind of work,
you know in the public eye, I have never seen anyone get past seven
things that they have done. Can you imagine that?

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Len: Wow.

Avocado: Yeah. And I'm talking 150 different things. If you are in serious
pain, you know, there is serious stuff going on, you need to go, "I
[00:40:52] need to try everything possible," and you know, the only
way you are going to do that is by availing yourself of this kind of
information. Because this is not going to be found on the nightly
news. It's only going to be found on the Internet and in places where
freedom of communication still exists.

Part 2 – Joint Health – David Wolfe

Len: And for those of us who aren't suffering with chronic issues, we can
try one thing once a week for a month, and at the end of the month
we have tried four things. And if they work, if we enjoy doing that
and if it is something that makes us feel a little bit better – which we
will notice on them right away – then we continue doing it and it
doesn't have to be this major lifestyle change or this big dietary shift.
It's just a matter of adding a few things, [00:00:33] eliminating a few
other things and then watching our progress really accelerate.

Avocado: That's right. That's exactly right. And that can also be not only
internally, but what we are going to get into as well, Len, is we are
going to get into what you can do topically. Because we know that
of course when a joint is affected—

Let's say it's your pinky finger joint. You know, one of the joints in
your pinky finger. It takes a lot of energy and a lot of time [00:00:53]
and a lot of digestion to get all your food and nutrients and
superfoods and everything broken down and brought right to that
area of your body.

We need to talk about what the joints are actually made of, where
the nutrients for the joints actually are, and where, which foods not
only have the nutrients and help rebuild the joints but also have the
immune system weapons that can go into that joint, knock out
whatever is in there that shouldn't be there, [00:01:22] and restore a
natural environment. And the #1 thing in the world in this regard as a
superfood or superherb – however you want to define it – is aloe
vera. Aloe vera does this trick better than anything in the world.
Aloe vera is of a class of plants that are very close to cactus. And it
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has been noted that cactus extracts can be literally injected right into
a joint and completely blow the arthritis out. And that is called
prolotherapy. And [00:01:55] I just want to mention that, because a
friend of mine had it done and it just was like miraculous. And it is
still done and it is legal. And it is p-r-o-l-o-therapy. And something
just, something to be aware of and to look at.

It depends on how far down the road somebody is. Obviously we

want to catch it early and not let it get that far. Aloe vera is a great
ally in this regard, and we recommend if you can get it fresh aloe
vera. And you [00:02:18] blend it right into your drinks and your
smoothies and elixirs that you are making. Very instructions to do
that are in all of my books and we will probably provide some
materials like that at the end of this program.

Eucommia bark. Eucommia bark is very popular in Chinese

medicine. It [00:02:33] is one of the great superherbs. It is spelled e-
u-c-o-m-m-i-a, and what it is able to do is get that collagen flexible
again. There is what is called a browning reaction in the collagen
over a period of time where sugar can oxidize our collagen and start
making things stiff and then that becomes a hotbed for an
inflammatory process, because you know the little organisms will
get in there because you know things aren't moving around and
blood flow isn't [00:03:02] getting in there. And the next thing you
know we have a problem. Well, eucommia gets that flexibility back.
It delivers to the joints and the skin the restoration of flexibility, so
that for example let's say if you're pregnant after you have the baby
you want to get your skin back to normal, eucommia bark has been
recommended in Chinese medicine for several thousand years for
that.

Aloe [00:03:25] vera would work of course as well, and pretty much
anything that we are saying here is going to help. Even these vitamin
C plant powders, etc. Everything is going to help, but aloe vera,
eucommia, these things are the top of the field.

Hempseed. Hempseed contains, and hempseed oil, it contains sulfur

compounds in the protein that are very important and probably
extremely unique and on top of that hempseed comes packed loaded
with gamma-linolenic acid, which is [00:03:58] otherwise known as
GLA. And if you have ever studied GLA, you have probably found
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 out it is one of the best and most potent anti-inflammatories ever.
Easy to take advantage of.

And spirulina is another one. Very similar to hempseed, it has a

high-sulfur-bearing amino acid content. Again that creates
flexibility. So it's sulfur. If you recall about MSM. And anytime we
get sulfur in our body we can create that flexibility, the motion, the
juiciness. [00:04:27] So each joint, right? Like our vertebrae. In
between every disk is juicy, starts getting that juice back in it.
Spirulina and hempseed, to me – you know every day I eat those
things, because that's just part of being healthy forever. You know, if
you want to be spiritual, healthy and have a great life, these two
foods can really support that.

If you are living in a tropical area the foods you get onto
immediately – let's say you are [00:04:52] in Hawaii, Mexico. Let's
say you are in the Caribbean. Wherever in the world that you are,
noni. One of the greatest foods in the world, if not the greatest. It's a
fruit. It tastes awful, but it's so darn good for you it's ridiculous. And
if you ever come to one of my seminars in Hawaii, we'll show you
how to make the best noni smoothies ever and noni drinks where it
does taste good. But you've got to know what you're doing to do
that. [00:05:17] And that's more than I can get into right here
because it's, you know, it's kind of off the topic. Most people aren't
in a tropical nation. But noni is on par with aloe vera as one of the
great anti-inflammatory, joint-supporting foods/superfoods ever. It
might be even more powerful than aloe vera.

Len: We should also distinguish the noni that you are talking about
compared to the fruit drinks that sold in supermarkets.

Avocado: Good one. Thank you for that, [00:05:42] actually. I get so far into
my world that I forget what's out there. The noni drinks that are out
there, some of them are excellent. Some of them are actually just
sugar, you know, they have been putting sugar into it and you know
kind of selling it as a little bit of a marketing scam. There is no
question that these noni drinks, which are actually more of a noni
wine with a fermented product of the noni fruit, have some immune
system properties, but they [00:06:09] do not have the joint-affecting
anti-inflammatory properties as the fresh fruit has.

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 In the LongevityNOW Program we have kind of gone through the
first step, which is breaking down that bad calcium. The second step
is coming in there and just kind of frying those suckers, or anything
that's, you know, really weighing on our immune system. Right? The
little organisms and critters and virus and whatever. And then the
third step is we [00:06:32] start getting that superfood support and
that enzymatic support of the living food diet, as well as other
things. And these things will be listed in the LongevityNOW
Program. And you incrementally put them in when you're ready,
when you have the disciplines, when you want to. You know, that's
how you do it. We just start with the simple.

And then the fourth stage has to do with electronic impulses, and this
is something I have been literally working on [00:06:54] tirelessly
for years to try to understand this. I'm not an electric engineer by
trade, but I can tell you one thing, when you have a joint – like your
finger. And I know I broke my middle finger on my left hand a
couple years ago and started having the accumulation of a little
bump on my finger. What I found out was something very
interesting, that is certain electrical impulses will actually drive those
little critters right out of the [00:07:21] joint – meaning you can set
yourself up with— Either you can lay on a mat that is producing
electrical impulses— This is the latest thing, by the way, Len. No
one even knows about this yet. There is a mat out there that produces
square wave impulses that is a basic zapper that you can just lay on
when you go to bed at night. [Note: Check with Avocado if he wants
to keep this [00:07:45] in here; since last I heard he felt that
grounding was more important at night than zapping, and that
grounding rendered the zapping a waste of batteries.]

Len: Huh.

Avocado: And that is huge. What it is able to do, it is able to get electrical
impulses where your blood cannot reach in the middle of the joint,
and therefore it can drive those little critters out of their hiding
places and they cannot survive once they get out in your bloodstream
and your immune system is attacking [00:08:03] them.

This is a critical point. Again, the reason why we break down in the
joints first, most of the time, in all animals, including us, you know,
every mammal, every reptile, bird, etc. I am not saying that we are
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 animals, but we have similar you know immune systems and
everything to mammals. We can – we have trouble over time as we
age getting that immune system into the joint because it is not
vascularized; there is no blood flow in there.

However [00:08:30] there is a trick, and that is the fourth step of the
LongevityNOW Program, and that is you can get an electrical
impulse. It's a kind of a noise that causes these critters to just get the
heck out of there. They can't stand the noise. I mean, imagine being
in your room and you had like death metal blasting in your ear all
day long for a year. You'd probably move out of that room pretty
soon. That's kind of how it works.

And this has been simplified [00:08:54] into little devices, including
a little zapper that you can wear. I put that on my finger actually
when I broke my finger, and it just immediately took that little bump
right out of there. Because it had healed, but three months later it
still had a bump and inflammation and just there was a – there was a
problem. These little critters were going. As soon as I got it onto the
zapper, as soon as I got those electrical impulses in there, in and on
top of [00:09:13] everything else that I'm doing, it just boom, it just
went right away. It was gone like it was never there.

Len: And again, we'll have these resources in the manual and people will
be able to find out more about these types of devices in more detail.

Avocado: Exactly. Yeah.

Len: Excellent. This is some amazing, amazing information. What about

topical remedies such as MSM lotion or DMSO, and what are some
of the things we need to know about these ointments [00:09:43] and
how to best administer them?

Avocado: MSM lotion – methyl sulfonyl methane lotion. Methyl sulfonyl

methane by the way is a biological form of sulfur that is in all living
things. It's especially really highly concentrated in trees and in the
ocean, and it's intrinsic to all life. And we don't get enough of it
because we have eaten a processed food diet, and processed food
contains no MSM. Because once you cook a food, MSM goes right
off with the [00:10:09] water. So as you boil something or whatever,
the MSM goes right into the atmosphere and you lose it. And
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therefore we are more susceptible to joint inflammation diseases
than even wild animals are, because they can stave it off because
their immune system is stronger and they generally live about
10 times longer than their maturation age. Our maturation age is
about 20. We are living – you know, you can do the math. We are
lucky if we live 5 times longer than [00:10:30] that. So we are
significantly shortening our longevity by not eating enough sulfur
and using enough sulfur on our skin.

Sulfur is an anti-aging substance and MSM is the best form of sulfur

that I know of. What we do with MSM lotion – which is dynamite,
that stuff is incredible, and it's so cheap! I mean that's the thing about
MSM. It's like $15 for the bottle of lotion. I don't leave home
without that stuff. That [00:10:54] stuff is amazing. You have poison
oak, poison ivy, joint problems, etc., just put it right on the joint. If
you need more medicinal support, it's not strong enough – the MSM
lotion – then you would jump to an MSM combination with DMSO.
DMSO is very closely related to MSM. In fact, DMSO-2 is MSM.
So it's just an oxidized form of DMSO. DMSO is found, again, in
every tree, it's found in the ocean, it's found in us, and the more of
[00:11:24] it we have the more flexibility we have the more juiciness
we have in each joint.

Then if that doesn't work then you would just go to straight DMSO,
but I always caution people about straight DMSO. You have really
got to know what you are doing with DMSO, because it's a solvent
and therefore it can burn you. It could also— Let's say you've just
gotten out of the shower and you had soap on your skin and then you
put DMSO on, well the DMSO takes what [00:11:47] is on your
skin's surface area and goes down into your joint with it. You don't
want that unless you, you know, you are using a specific approach to
get medicines into that joint. So DMSO must be – you must be
educated about it before you use it, and I really recommend reading
a book on it. That's really the best way to understand and learn what
this stuff does.

Beyond that there is some incredible innovations that have occurred

recently. I want to mention [00:12:13] magnesium hexahydrate. Out
of the Dead Sea it was discovered that you could – this is so
fascinating, Len, listen to this – the Dead Sea contains certain
substances in what is called magnesium hexahydrate, meaning there
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 is something inside the magnesium hexahydrate that has a very
powerful anti-inflammatory instantaneous effect once it touches
affected tissue; tissue that has been damaged or necrotic tissue or
tissue that has been hurt by inflammation in let's say a [00:12:43]
bad joint for example. Magnesium hexahydrate can be sprayed on
the skin topically and it goes right in there and just starts knocking
the inflammation and pain right out.

And it was found that magnesium hexahydrate could be activated if

you vortexed it. So this is the thing about ormus, Len, if you recall
this. I have said this before, and this is, this is really interesting to
discover this. If you take magnesium hexahydrate and you put it in
like a blender, [00:13:09] you know, you spin it around and you get
it into a vortex, it becomes highly active and more capable of being
an anti-inflammatory and being able to get into the joint topically.
And this has been researched over the last 25 years and is now
available. And that is also going on the list, because like DMSO –
unlike DMSO – it's a little easier to use, it's easy to travel with. It's
just, I have it in a little bottle and you just, you [00:13:37] just spray
it. It's real simple.

Len: And is it something you ingest in your mouth or put it onto the—?

Avocado: No, it's just, it's strictly topical. Strictly topical. It's basically a Dead
Sea Salt extract, and you know what that means: it contains certain
mineral materials that are specific to the joints. And the mineral
materials, by the way, just to put this on the table and just so people
are aware – the mineral materials that we [00:13:56] are looking for
to repair the collagen in the joint is specifically silicon and the
minerals that are naturally bound in with silicon as silicon is
produced in its natural state.

And when you are looking at something like aloe vera, you are going
to find that there is this stuff in there with the silicon. You are going
to find that in noni; you are going to find it in practically everything.
And that stuff is not really understood. We call it ormus or strange
matter, [00:14:25] and this matter is intrinsic to all life, it's present –
it's a mineral just like magnesium or calcium or anything else, but it's
not been really understood by science. I'm not gonna get into the
nuances of it right now, but this mineral substance or type of mineral
can be found in certain foods. We have mentioned them [00:14:42]
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 already – the superfoods, the superherbs and it's also found in certain
topicals, like magnesium hexahydrate.

And one more that I want to mention, which is Orgono Living Silica.
Orgono, O-r-g-o-n-o. Orgono Living Silica is meant to be ingested
but it can also be used topically. I have seen it remove pain in
people's joints and their fingers in seconds. And that is really
powerful. Orgono Living [00:15:08] Silica, we are so fortunate to
even be able to have it.

Len: Excellent. So the topical remedies that you just mentioned are MSM
lotion, DMSO, magnesium hexahydrate which you recommend to
have it vortexed first inside a blender, then taking it out.

Avocado: It's already vortexed for you. You don't even need to do that. It's
already done for you.

Len: Fantastic. And you also mentioned Orgono Living Silica, which can
be taken into the [00:15:36] mouth and also put directly onto the
joint. Now there is also a technology where we can combine various
things, like for instance taking the MSM lotion and combining it
with DMSO to actually deliver it deeper into the joint. Do you want
to talk a little bit about that as well?

Avocado: Yes. [00:15:50] Those products are available. In fact, I spent – years
ago I spent some time developing those products, and they are
available. They are MSM/DMSO combinations with some great
anti-inflammatories in there already. It's already done for you, so it's
like a linament. You know, you get that menthol coming in. And by
the way, the menthols are really good at developing circulation in
certain areas, especially when you put them on topically in a lotion.
You get that cooling reaction, but what it does also create is a
dilation of the capillaries, more blood flow can get in there – which
means heightened immune reaction – and so we [00:16:26] have
combined the menthols with the MSM with the DMSO, a few other
goodies are in there, and that's really great for simple joint problems.
You know, where, you know there is some pain but it's not a real
major issue.

If it's a major issue then you move on to DMSO and magnesium

hexahydrate and Orgono [Living Silica] and stuff that is a little bit
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Len: Well, Dave, what about zeolites? We have been hearing a lot about
this really amazing [00:16:50] substance in the news and there has
been a lot of research in the last few years on this incredible
substance. Do you have any insights you want to share on how this
will help also in alleviating joint pain?

Avocado: Very simply, zeolites are very effective at taking bad calcium and
turning it into good calcium – which is a good thing to have. Right?
You can take the bad stuff in your body and convert it into things
your body can actually use. [00:17:18] And zeolites have been found
to be able to do that.

Zeolites are just a mineral compound that is found in the Earth in

places where there was a former ocean and where a volcano had
poured lava into that ocean. Zeolites are created as a result of that
alchemical reaction. Zeolites are of the most powerful Earth
substances and fall into the categories of clay, fulvic acid, humic
acid and then the zeolites.

Now that might not mean anything [00:17:45] to do, but if you have
ever studied indigenous medicine and the way that people lived on
the Earth say 5,000 years ago, what you will find out is that people –
and of course it's still happening now – ate clay. Now you think,
"Clay? I would never eat clay." But actually everybody who has had
a McDonald's milkshake has had clay. Everybody who has had
Pepto Bismol has had clay; Kaopectate. There are clay in those
foods. That's a huge industry. But [00:18:12] it's been hidden now,
and people don't even understand why we would take clay or why
it's natural for all mammals to eat clay, and birds and reptiles.

And the reason is, is because it pulls out metabolic waste and it
helps you live longer because it just helps detoxify you of the waste
of metabolism. And in our world today – my God, the industrial
waste and the artificial synthetic adhesives and all this kind of stuff,
we have got to have tools to get that stuff out. Well, zeolites are the
most powerful of those Earth compounds like clay that help pull out
the toxins. [00:18:43] And they are so simple to use. It's just a bottle
with drops in it. You just put the drops in your water, it doesn't have
any taste – or almost no taste – and you can drink your water and
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 you go about your business.

But if you are using that zeolite technology, the liquid zeolite
technology, the activated liquid zeolite technology [00:19:02] you
have got a very powerful weapon in your, in your hands. And it has
also been known that these zeolites help to deactivate the virus
coding, the sequencing of how viruses replicate. When we are
dealing with rheumatoid arthritis we are dealing with a combination
of two organisms: one of the organisms is nanobacteria, those are
those little guys who form shells around themselves; and the other
organism is a virus. And so the zeolites are known to be antiviral
[00:19:30] and they start breaking down that coding sequence, next
thing you know the joint is coming back to normal, the pain is going
down. And so we had that in into our overall protocol.

Len: There is another substance we have [00:19:41] been hearing a lot

about in the last decade and it is glucosamine and chondroitin. And
we see it in almost every pharmaceutical store we go into has bottles
and bottles of this stuff. And strangely enough, you didn't mention it
in this protocol. Is there a reason why?

Avocado: Yeah. There are a number of reasons why. Glucosamine and

chondroitin are made out of shellfish – or they can be made of
shellfish. They usually are. And therefore [00:20:08] they can be
contaminated, because shellfish is loaded with mercury and has all
kinds of problems. I don't know what quality control standards are in
place in the chondroitin and glucosamine world, but I am
[unintelligible word] they are not up to speed on the most incredible
organic certifications and everything of quality.

Anyway, glucosamine and chondroitin are effective because they

contain that matter that we are talking about, that strange matter –
we call it ormus [00:20:40] – that is found in the shells of shellfish.
It is also by the way found in the shells or the exoskeletons of insects
and gives insects an advantage in being able to fly. Because this
stuff doesn't really behave on the normal laws of matter; it floats on
magnetic field. So when you see a fly flying across your room in
your house or something like that, or your kitchen, don't just swat
that fly. Look at it and you will notice it. It actually is [00:21:07]
able to kind of float in the air. It has this strange ability, and I believe
that part of that reason is because it can float on magnetic fields –
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 because it contains lots of this stuff in its exoskeleton.

Well, when in our body that stuff, that floaty stuff, the strange
matter, the stuff that really is effective at getting inflammation out,
the mineral material concentrates in the joints. Now if we have had a
diet that is deficient in those minerals – [00:21:35] and again these
are minerals that are not even understood by mainstream science,
although alternative science is starting to get a real strong grip on it.
What is happening is, is that we are finding out that those minerals
are – which are in aloe vera, they're in goji berries, they're in all, all
everything pretty much that we have talked out so far – what they do
is they restore that juiciness, that buoyancy back the joint, and they
make the [00:21:56] joint buoyant in the same way as say like a
hummingbird as it kind of hovers across the air. It's almost like it's
floating – or a bee has that kind of floaty thing going on. But that
buoyancy is what we are looking for, and chondroitin and
glucosamine are secondary or tertiary sources for that stuff.

I would much rather go to cleaner sources that are more controllable,

because glucosamine and chondroitin are massive industries. I mean
they are the second most [00:22:22] sold supplement in a health food
store behind calcium.

Len: And I think anything that is that widely distributed – for instance like
a McDonald's hamburger – we need to be really careful about how
they are so easily distributed throughout the world and in such mass
quantities, because it's really hard to make special really powerful
substances that readily available. And we need to be really careful, if
we are starting [00:22:45] to see things that we take normally and we
find those things in a local supermarket, we need to look at really
where it is coming from and the quality controls that that particular
company is administering.

And sometimes these companies that make remedies such as

glucosamine are the same companies that create the foods that
created that problem in first place. And we need to know that. I think
it's important information for us to know, where we are getting
[00:23:05] things from and what else these companies are selling and
who owns the companies. Maybe Coca-Cola owns a company that is
selling you something that has to do with healing your joint pain.
And I wouldn't say that that would be necessarily one of the most
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Avocado: Yeah. I would agree with you. And by the way, in terms of
inflammatory foods, soda is extremely inflammatory. And you know
we can give you a list if you want of the most inflammatory stuff. If
you recall, dairy products probably lead the [00:23:37] list, then
grain and wheat products that have been processed, and then when
we get into some of these heavily processed foods like refined sugar.
By the way, refined sugar is a huge allergic food [sic; allergen]. So
many people are allergic to that it's not even funny. And this can
cause again an inflammatory reaction. And of course refined sugar is
the primary ingredient with phosphoric acid in soda pop. And this is
extremely destructive to the immune [00:23:59] system, to tissue
health. It's just unbelievably damaging, and eventually what it causes
is acidity. And when we get into that acidic environment due to all
that phosphoric acid and sugar what ends up happening is, is that our
immune system just collapse.

And you know, it's like the immune system just gives up on a whole
bunch of battles, and then you see you know this breakdown and
people get this really bad rheumatoid arthritis and deformation
[00:24:22] caused by rheumatoid arthritis and pain chronically and
all this kind of stuff. It doesn't have to be that way, and we have
solutions.

Len: And what about just quote-unquote fruits and vegetables we find at
the supermarket that may or may not be organic? Does that have
anything to do with some of the stuff that gets in between our joints
and those little hard-to-reach areas, some of the painful
[unintelligible word]?

Avocado: Yes, it does. That's really a [00:24:44] great question, and it's
important for us to know that those little shells that those little bad
calcium shells that those little guys make, that bad calcium isn't just
bad calcium; it also consists of toxins that we have eaten that those
little guys like to make shells out of because they know that it is
damaging to our immune system. Like mercury for example.

Like where do you find mercury in the human body? Well, if you
were exposed to mercury, [00:25:11] where would it end up? Well, it
usually ends up in the shelling of these little organisms. So you
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 could have mercury in your joints; you could have mercury in your
brain. I mean, there are all kinds of things that could happen if we
get exposed to mercury, and we have got to be able to be clever
enough to kind of get that stuff out, and we have got to do it safely.
And that's kind of what we are talking about with zeolites and some
this stuff. It's [00:25:37] able to lock up that toxin and get the bad
calcium out that is around that toxin safely and effectively.

And therefore you could probably make a jump to the next

conclusion, which is, if we are eating a lot of toxins in our diet, then
it's likely that these little critters that get in our joints – the virus, the
fungus and the nanobacteria – are going to get us earlier than we
should be gotten. Right? We are going to expire early. And that is
exactly what [00:26:03] is happening to the human race.

Len: When in doubt eat organic food, stay away from anything that has
been highly processed, highly sweetened, highly salted, highly really
packaged – like packaged food that we find in our local supermarket,
we really need to avoid a lot of that stuff. Because mostly everything
does contain wheat, sugar and dairy ingredients.

Avocado: Yes it does. You are absolutely right. [00:26:27] And then you can
for sure make you know the jump that probably most of the food
that's out there, most people are having an allergic reaction to it to
some degree. That is creating inflammation, the immune system is
activated, on and on and on, and sometimes by the way, sometimes
with joint pain and inflammation it's just a food allergy. That's the
whole problem. They don't even have nanobacteria in their joints;
they have just been eating food that they are [00:26:50] allergic to
and their immune system is like freaking out. And as soon as they
get off the food that they are allergic to—

Like for example, a lot of people are allergic to the nightshade

family foods: potatoes, tomatoes, tobacco, eggplant, that family of
foods. And once they get off that stuff their joint pain goes away,
because it was just a food allergy all along. And I'm so glad that this
came up, because I was [00:27:11] thinking last night, "My God, I've
got to mention this," because not every case of inflammation and
pain is actually the same. Sometimes it's just your body going,
"Look," you know, "stop eating this stuff."

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Len: That's actually— We are going to have a list of all those things that
you just mentioned, like the most common allergic food items. And
there are ways that we can get tested, but there are also easier ways.
Just stop eating the food and see [00:27:36] if your body, if the
ailment just kind of reduces it all. I think that's a really powerful
approach as well.

But we could get into this in such detail. This is really just a program
about giving people some basic tools and basic tips about what they
can do right now to make an immediate change in their joint health.

My next question has to do with what we need to drink. For instance

the kind of water we drink, the types of juices we drink. You always
recommend for any, any condition, even for just improving our
health, to drink a lot of fresh organic vegetable juice. What is a good
round drink that we could make, a fresh juice that we could make
that would really, we'd get the most bang for [00:28:16] our buck.

Avocado: Excellent. Well, let's start with what not to drink first, because that
came up and just listening to you right there I was thinking, wow,
thank you for even bringing this up. because where we find the bad
calcium – right? – the scale, where do you find that? You find that in
your kitchen sink or your bathroom sink. It's in tap water, and the
bad calcium, we don't want to be ingesting that stuff, and if you
ingest tap water there are 75,000 different [00:28:42] toxins that
have been found in tap water and then you have the bad calcium
right along with it. That is not a good recipe right there. So we have
got to do the best we can to get the best water we can get.

If that means distilled water because you don't have any other
choice, okay, that's where you have got to start. I really recommend
spring water from the source. Find a local spring and visit it and get
real, natural water that doesn't have any bad calcium in [00:29:07] it.
Well water can have bad calcium in it and therefore it needs to be
filtered. Really important stuff here.

Going beyond that, out of the water equation, if you really want to
get some incredible hydration, get the juiciness back into your joints
from different sources other than water, there is no question that
some of the berries – like in the summer I do berry juices. Just
raspberries and blueberries and just get the whole thing into a mush
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 [00:29:32] and just drink it. It is so incredible. And the
antioxidant/anti-inflammatory properties of that stuff is
extraordinary.

On the vegetable side, which is a little easier for people, you could
literally juice celery. Celery is so simple, it's the most basic thing
going. And instead of juice carrots – like you have seen guys on TV
juicing carrots, that's a little sugary and it's a little sweet. Although
it's good, celery is a little bit better for most [00:29:56] people, and
it's so alkaline that it increases blood flow. It basically drops the
stress level down so that we are not constantly in this tightening
stressed-out [00:30:12] kind of mode. Even if on the outside we don't
appear to be stressed out, on the inside we might be. And the
alkaline substances like celery juice help to calm our system down
and help our immune system get into those hard-to-reach areas.

Len: Excellent. In the last bit of this program I wanted you to discuss
some of the exercises and ways that we need to be moving our body
and strengthening our body and perhaps doing some aerobic
exercisers to help with [00:30:38] our joints to get some of those
synovial fluids pumping into our joints. Because like you said, there
isn't a lot of blood going into those areas, so we need to get
something in there to keep it lubricated. What are your top three
recommendations?

Avocado: Excellent. And I want to mention in this regard that I am not like a
fitness guru, but I have healed myself of a very severe back injury
that happened in 1989 where I broke [00:31:03] my back and
literally was in some way incapacitated for over 10 years. Just to
give you an idea of how severe that injury was. And I had a huge
amount of scar tissue, huge amounts of joint problems, pain in the
vertebrae, every problem you could imagine, and I completely
healed myself. So I am speaking from experience when I touch on
this subject, and I definitely want to recommend strongly – because
it helped me so tremendously – is practicing yoga, but [00:31:30]
practicing yoga in appropriate pace for you. Most yoga classes are
like the Yoga Olympics, and it causes more stress.

I get into the neck sometimes. I'm a neck specialist. That's my field
in terms of massage therapy, and when I get into people's necks
sometimes, even these great yogis, there is all this tension,
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hypertension, right in that neck. And yoga is about getting that out of
you. So when you are doing yoga you [00:31:57] have got to be in a
relaxed state. And here is the type of yoga that I recommend
specifically, and that is inversions.

What the heck is an inversion? It is when your hips are above your
heart. When your hips are above your heart. Let's say you are doing
a headstand. Your hips would be above your heart. Let's say you
were just bending over, right? Just touching your toes. By the way,
touching your toes – just that one exercise, practiced three times
[00:32:24] a day for 5 minutes each, that one exercise— I don't keep
my knees very tight obviously, you know, I just leave them a little
bit bent, it's very relaxed, I bend over and touch my toes and I hang.
This once exercise completely healed me of that back injury: 3 times
a day, 5 minutes a day. Completely. I got completely out of pain.
Because what it does is it – your spine is always [00:32:45] being
compressed by gravity. When you hang down, when you an
inversion, when you go upside down, your spine get elongated by
gravity, the blood can get in there, you start getting that juiciness
back in there, the pressure goes off the joints, next thing you know
the joints are happy in your back, in your spine. And that's the #1
thing that I'd recommend.

#2 is we [00:33:08] have got to get into like a natural environment.

I'm not a big gym believer. I think you have got to be out in nature,
you have got to be walking around. Because when you are out hiking
– just simple hiking, walking – the research into walking and its
associate with longevity, its association with great health all the
years of one's life and its association with getting exercise but
without overdoing it. It was found about 25 years ago that there is a
certain [00:33:34] amount of exercise that is good and then if you go
over that you are actually hurting yourself a little bit. But walking
you could never hurt yourself, because we are naturally designed as
walkers. And if you walk outside, you get a nice hike in every day,
it's very calming, it's really good for your blood flow, it's good to get
some fresh oxygen into your body, get that oxygen to your immune
system and then in and on top of that you are using fine motor skills
and joint articulations that you will be using on a Stairmaster for
example in a gym somewhere.

There are little fine motor skills that you develop from walking that
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 can't be replicated by gym equipment, and I really strongly
recommend it, because it's natural, I believe it connects people to the
natural environment, and it calms [00:34:18] people down. I know it
does me. I learned that from my grandfather, and my uncle took that
on, you know, his son, and then you know from my uncle I have
really picked up this thing about walking and how important it is.

What else? One of the other things is, is that if you do have a severe
joint problem, I would really strongly recommend avoiding those
exercises that irritate it. And we have got to be— I had to become
very sensitive to that myself. There [00:34:42] were certain things
that I could not do that would irritate the heck out of my back and
would actually inflame the problem for weeks and weeks and weeks,
and then I would have to suffer through that until it all calmed back
down.

I know there is someone listening who is in that situation, because I

was in that situation, and I didn't know what to do. And what I ended
up having to do was just avoid those exercises until I could get to a
significant level [00:35:01] of the reduction of the inflammation and
then after a while my body came to a place where I was no longer in
pain all the time. I could start doing those things I couldn't do before.
For example, pushups. I could not do a pushup for 10 years. And it
just started very slowly, one time at a time, I started doing pushups
with knees, with my knees on the ground instead of my toes, and
gradually just built up and restored balance [00:35:28] to that area of
my body so that I could do things that I couldn’t do before.

You've got to be very sensitive to doing – to not doing – anything

that irritating our joints and causing an inflammatory reaction.
Because if we get that inflammatory reaction going due to the
irritation in the joint where you know we are rubbing for example
two surfaces of our joints together and there is a bunch of that bad
calcium in between, that's like sandpaper. And [00:35:50] that's not
good. That creates more inflammation. Gradually we will be able to
get more – we will get some pain out of there and get that joint
flexible, but not in an irritating kind of a way. You don't want to
overdo it.

Len: In your estimation, though, exercise is important.

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Avocado: Oh, it's critical. It's absolutely critical. The main exercise that I am
recommending is yoga and hiking. I recommend those because they
are natural, they are easy, and they are [00:36:17] soft and gentle.
Again, when we are dealing with inflammatory conditions we can
accentuate or increase the inflammation if we do the wrong thing.
For example let's say we have knee problems and we go out running
on hard pavement. You know, we have just got to be a little bit
sensitive.

I'll tell you another one, and this will be, this will be, we'll count this
as the third one. Swimming. Swimming. There is no question that
swimming is one of the best ways [00:36:44] to articulate our spine,
to move our spine. It's one of the most fun exercises, and I really am
a big believer in swimming in the ocean and natural bodies of water.
Ice cold lakes and getting in there and getting that blood flowing
around. It was found in Russia that the people who cut the hole open
in the lake and jump in there in the middle of the winter were the
longest lived people along with the beekeepers.

Len: Wow.

Avocado: And so that's good information. Why [00:37:04] is that? Because it

creates blood flow. You jump in ice cold, your blood is flowing. You
go swimming in the ocean, you blood's flowing. You're in it, you
know. You are fully activated.

Len: Speaking of water touching the skin, do we need to be careful about

say swimming in public pools, or even bathing in a tub using straight
tap water? How dangerous can that be and how much of that stuff
actually does end up [unintelligible word] into our joints?

Avocado: That's [00:37:30] a great question. I have a pretty, pretty intimate

connection to that due to my good friend who I spoke with
yesterday, who was an Olympic Bronze Medalist and grew up in
swimming pools and have suffered as a result of that. Because the
chlorine can get into your body and it affects your neurotransmitters,
it causes depression, it can affect your nutrition. Chlorine is a
halogen. It's highly reactive, and therefore it can interfere with your
metabolism, [00:37:56] it can interfere with your joints. There is a
whole host of problems that come from being in a chlorinated pool.

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 I am going to assume that people know that, but if you don't know
that, that is why I really recommend natural bodies of water and
staying away from chemicalized pools, because of the danger of
chlorine.

Len: And bathwater?

Avocado: I have filtration systems obviously, you know, wherever I am living.

Sometimes I bring it with me and [00:38:22] just hook it up to the
water. So you can filter off some of those really toxic substances like
chlorine gas, which is found in hot water. In standard municipal
water you are going to have hot chlorine gas and when you turn that
hot water on that gas comes out as a vapor, you breathe it in, you are
soaking in it. You have just got to be a little bit careful.

Now if you do the right thing – let's say you have filtered water at
your [00:38:42] house or you are on a well that's filtered and you
have got a good system going, if you can get into a bath with some
of the substances that contain the magnesium hexahydrate –
remember these strange minerals substances? That is found in Dead
Sea salt, so you put the Dead Sea salt right into your bath and then
you will notice it has an anti-inflammatory effect.

Len: Excellent. And lastly, what do you recommend as far as like putting
ice or, and/or [00:39:12] heat on joints that are really inflamed and
they are in a lot of pain – or just as a regular protocol using heating
and ice, and/or ice?

Avocado: Both is better than just heat. Sometimes— It depends on the

situation. Some people's rheumatoid arthritis is really activated by
cold. Some people it's heat. Sometimes it's both the extreme of heat
or the extreme of cold, but if you do them both together – hot, cold;
hot, cold; hot, cold – in an area [00:39:42] you are creating blood
flow and you can get a benefit. If you do one without the other I
can't really recommend that because it depends on – it is very
specific to the person, and it is really specific to what that person is
dealing with.

I really believe that if you have an inflammation condition what you

are really dealing with generally is too much heat in that area, so I
believe that linaments, things like menthols that cool off the area –
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 peppermint oil [00:40:08] for example – and create blood flow are
probably more of a direction that you would want to go. And if you
know somebody that does the hot/cold therapies, this may be of
benefit to you, and it can actually you know be a huge benefit to
you, but it really depends on you and your own needs and what is
going on in your body.

Len: And David, would you also recommend weekly or even daily
massages until the ailment or the pain really subsides?

Avocado: Definitely, [00:40:37] and for no other reason than the power of the
hands, you know, the healing touch. This was, this was you know an
amazing discovery in the last, maybe it's 10 years, that the most
healing thing you can do and the most chosen alternative medicine
of all is massage. Why is that? Because it works the best. Why
[00:40:53] is that? Because you are getting touched. And if there is
one problem in our culture, we don't touch enough. I mean, we are
freaked out to touch anybody. And that fortunately is changing – you
know, the massage therapy world is massively transformed and it's
really, it's really great, and I really think that the power of healing
touch is as significant as anything we have talked about, and
especially the healing touch of a loved one. Like, you know
[00:41:21] like husband and wife trade off massaging each other,
right? Or kids and parents trade off massaging each other.

This is – you know, I come a family where, you know, close big
family where when I was 7 years old we used to have to massage my
18-year-old cousins, you know, because you know that's how it
works. And then they would have to massage the people who were
older than them. And I do believe that that really affected me, and I
believe [00:41:48] it is a factor in the health that I have now. I think
it's important to be touched.

Len: This has been a remarkable interview, and I am very, very happy to
be able to present this information to the world at large. And again,
there is going to be a manual that is going to accompany this audio
CD, so I recommend everybody to really study this manual. Pick one
or two of the products. You don't have to go into town and buy
everything that we have [00:42:07] listed, but just take a few things
that resonate with you and try it out. The most important thing, as
David has said, is to start someplace. Try one or two little things.
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 Again, it doesn't take that much time. It doesn't cost a lot of money.
It just takes a little bit of effort to actually want to take some
preemptive action. And if we are really in dire straits, if our joints
are really in a lot of pain, then perhaps we need to take a little bit
more of a proactive [00:42:37] approach and actually try three or
four things – or maybe everything – and to see how it works. And
again, taking Dave's advice, start slow.

Avocado: I think it is equally as great that we try new things and add new
things in. I think it's also equally as important as letting certain
things go, certain behaviors go. If we discover we are allergic to
something, we really need to let that go and, and observe the
difference.

Most of [00:43:01] us are not driving the same car we were driving
when we were 16 years old, but we are eating the same diet or
something worse. Now why? If you are 16 years old and you are
driving a car, how come you are not driving that car now when you
are 50? And the reason is you probably traded it in for something
better, and that's what we're talking about here. You know, in the
overall journey of life we are gonna have to take on new things, we
are going [00:43:21] to have to let the old stuff go. And we
recommend that you let that happen fluidly, but you might find that
letting go of a certain food you are allergic to might be more
powerful or more significant than other things you are adding, and
it's important to be aware of that.

Len: I want to thank you, David Wolfe, for your time in this very
informative interview, and I'm sure our listeners have gotten a
number of powerful insights that they can apply to their [00:43:47]
lives immediately. So thank you again, David, for this really
remarkable opportunity.

Avocado: Thank you. Awesome. Thanks, Len. Great interview.

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