Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi’s Divine Lectures –

to royalty or not to royalty the Holy Texts!

King James Bible

But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an
offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those
that be of men.

My Dearest and respected elder Sahaja Yogi,

So refreshing to hear from some of you from the early days with Her Holiness.
I am so sorry in how you have all suffered such personal injuries over the
years, even I had to don feathers of Foghorn to cope!

Look at these emails below, it is such a travesty of Mother's Work and our
own sacrifices to see such blatant arrogance and corruption to even consider
using Sri Mataji's Talks to accrue money! It makes my blood boil

Who is this character donning the name of the Lord as his own and spewing
these words as if Sri Mataji came on this Earth to fill their pockets whilst
denying and susuppressingnbsp; the People access to Her Divine World
through the Medium of Her Talks?

Do you remember how Sri Mataji came to your humble abode when you were
a single man and we prepared the place for Her arrival, do you have any of
those photo's , if so please post them for us.

As you know I organised that meeting and we had a good press...do you
realise that the whole episode was for your sake and you were the only
person to acknowledge Her divinity out of the sixty odd there? Sri Mataji
praised your devotion and often spoke of how you had rejected the drug
culture outright and without reservation, not ever trying to justify and glorify in
it like some of the hippies who seem to wear it as a badge of pride somehow!
 The Sahaja Yogis in general seem to be living in some sort of cuckoo land
and in complete denial that they must participate in the process before these
vultures turn it all into some horrible religion against all that Sri Mataji taught
us..

Please help to pass on this concerns to the Collective ...they really must snap
out of this Bhajan singing, woodstock type of apathy !...I am so dissapointed
with the likes of Boghdan and Gregoire who should have known better, now
we have kids like Chris Kyriacoo in Australia who are behaving like petty
tyrants trying to capitalise on all our work....their ego's can be forgiven but the
danger is for the future whereby if we allow them they will create an
infrastructure that will only need one Demon to enter to take control...

At least we should share the Talks as much as possible before the eventual
demise I fear!

Take care and Best Wishes to your family

Your Brother Kuli

To: "Antony Panayiotou" <tpanayiotou@yahoo.com>

Date: Saturday, 16 April, 2011, 22:18

"Hello Toni, have not seen you for too long. How are you old chum? And where
are you?.... "

Date: Sunday, 17 April, 2011, 20:07

Feedback of Mothers talks going out to Australia on hard-drive
JSM

*********

Dear Robert Many thanks for your comprehensive explanation and expansion on
my notes of the background, circumstances and future plans for making Shri
Mataji’s talks and other items available to yogis and the wider population. I hope
everyone involved in distributing or having copies of the package Andrew has
provided can now appreciate the ongoing efforts being made to provide high
quality videos, audios etc., for yogis and the wider public, and the need to provide
royalty payments. To give a guide the suggested royalty payment is EUR1.5 for
Audio Talks and EUR2.5 for Videos.

As you have mentioned in your letter quote: “With
regard
to
people
who
possess


copies
of
Shri
Mataji’s
speeches
but
did
not
pay
for
them,
NIPC
is
currently

working
on
a
proposal
that
would
allow
those
who
wish
to,
to
make
a
back

payment
of
one
sort
or
another.
As
I
understand
it,
information
on
this
will
soon

be
made
available
to
the
collective.”

In light of this, may I suggest that those who
have received copies should perhaps wait until the advice regarding a ‘back
payment’ is received. Again thank you for your comprehensive explanation on
this matter. We are all brothers and sisters in Our Holy Mother’s heart, and I’m
sure all involved are considering this matter in a positive way. I am aware of
similar instances elsewhere and they too can be addressed so we can move
forward in the full knowledge of what is required in these situations. Best
regards Vishnu

Dear all, Whether or not to pay for access to Shri Mataji’s talks has become an
emotional issue which sometimes leads us to make inferences about each other’s
motive, which generally have little basis in fact. However, in Andrew’s letter I
note not just a wish to express his views but also a genuine desire to understand
the issues and move towards a shared position. This is what gives me the
confidence to step into a conversation taking place on the other side of the world.
This is also the spirit in which I am writing (see attachment). I want to share my
views on the topic and hopefully provide some insight, but I do not presume to
have it all sorted out. I would also like to make it clear that the views I express
are personal and do not reflect necessarily the position of the World Foundation.
For that, a letter from the board would be necessary. Warm regards, Robert
Hunter 





Da: Andrew Rohowyj [mailto:andrew@mortdalephysio.com.au] 

Inviato: giovedì 31 marzo 2011 12:19

A: Vishnu Bonneau; kim pearce; hari gaikwad; Marcus Rome_bigpond; paul

nicolai

Cc: Peter Aerfeldt; mike merritt; Charles T; Chris Kyriacou; Patrick Sleeman;
ric lum; Toby @ Pilar Patterson; Paul Donohue; Priya Rapyal; sobik sharma;
Merenia Ashwell; Anil Sattarshetty; dawn woodhouse; Ramesh Manocha;
Mathew Cooper; Andrew Jones; Robert Hunter; Premnath & Sheena; Colin
Heinsen

Oggetto: Re: Shri Mataji's Talks and Videos Resource 

Dear Vishnu and all other (I hope still) interested persons,  "SahajVidya
Collect'n...Treasures of the Devi".  As requested I have attatched a Word
file detailing a summary of the contents of the collection of Talks, Mpeg
Videos and Resource material Colin shared with me and others. I counted
and include the number of Shri Matajis Talks, Mpeg Videos etc. and
summarised Resourse material which has been put together in a file
called: "SahajVidya Collect'n...Treasures of the Devi".  That is the
recource being offered to be shared and I understand, is a work in
progress. There are separate other directories which I received later from
another source being part of accumulated different peoples collections of
Talks and Videos I understand were being collected to organise and
selectively add to the collection at a later date. The most significant of
these include 2 or 3 much less complete collections of audio talk files in
much bulkier format (and therefore of course higher quality for processing.
I did not counnt these as these are largely but not all already in the
SahajVidya collection above. There is also another extra Directory
containing 35 Div x much lower quality Video files being a mix of Puja
talks, and Public programs etc.  It is the "SahajVidya Collect'n...Treasures
of the Devi" which is mainly the recourse which some of us (who know
about it) wish to enjoy, use to spead Self Realisation, and use to help to
deepen ourselves, and give all Sahaja Yogis the same opportunity. It is of
course priceless. I understand all the persons involved in putting this
collection together do not ask for any payment for themselves or their time.
Neither I believe did Shri Mataji. So if the criteria used to calculate funds
to organise and preserve this particular collection were calculated
according to the cost of preparing, sharing and preserving it, it could be
zero. (I would be comfortable in this country, to ask $200, only for those
that can afford to pay it is as reasonable, maybe $50 extra as a voluntary
amount to subsidise those that cannot afford it. You could - probably
would sell a lot, and therefore still collect a large amount of royalties if that
is the goal).  My feeling still is that Spreading Shri Mataji's message is the
purpose. Money should be the tool we use to spread The Message, not
prevent Its spread.  Jai Shri Mataji Andrew R. 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Vishnu Bonneau <mailto:vishnubonneau@ozemail.com.au> 

To: Andrew Rohowyj <mailto:andrewr108@gmail.com> ; kim pearce

<mailto:kimdpearce@hotmail.com> ; hari gaikwad
<mailto:hariher@yahoo.com.au> ; Marcus Rome_bigpond
<mailto:mrome@bigpond.com> ; paul nicolai
<mailto:pbnicolai@hotmail.com>

Cc: Peter Aerfeldt <mailto:PAerfeldt@primustel.com.au> ; mike merritt

<mailto:enviroone@optusnet.com.au> ; Charles T
<mailto:charles@tira.com.au> ; Chris Kyriacou
<mailto:ckyriacou@gmail.com> ; Patrick Sleeman
<mailto:totalcarpentry@yahoo.com.au> ; ric lum
<mailto:constantbalance@iinet.net.au> ; Toby @ Pilar Patterson
<mailto:tobiasandpilar@gmail.com> ; Paul Donohue
<mailto:paul.anneliese@y7mail.com> ; Priya Rapyal
<mailto:prapyal@yahoo.com.au> ; sobik sharma
<mailto:sobiks@hotmail.com> ; Merenia Ashwell
<mailto:arohanui108@gmail.com> ; Anil Sattarshetty
<mailto:anilsattarshetty@yahoo.com.au> ; dawn woodhouse
<mailto:astrodawnau@yahoo.com.au> ; Ramesh Manocha
<mailto:r.manocha@healthed.com.au> ; Mathew Cooper
<mailto:matthew@mcooper.com.au> ; Andrew Jones
<mailto:jonesclan108@hotmail.com> ; Robert Hunter
<mailto:robert_nathalie@yahoo.it> ; Premnath & Sheena
<mailto:sahajblessed@bigpond.com>

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:54 PM 

Subject: Re: Shri Mataji's Talks and Videos Resource

Thanks Andrew No rush. I’m aware there are a number of similar

concerns around the country and I’m pleased we can begin looking at
them to work them out. Your instance can serve as a test case and
example of how we can deal with similar situations. I feel Mother is very
pleased with us having our positive attention on this matter which I’m sure
everyone wants to clear up. My very best wishes to you, and again thanks
for raising the matter in such a diplomatic manner. Best
Regards Vishnu Dear Vishnu, Thankyou for your considered and well
meaning reply to my questions. As you are probably aware there are
many Yogis with similar concerns and questions. I will try to give you the
information today or tomorrow. Regards, Andrew R.

----- Original Message -----

From: Vishnu Bonneau <mailto:vishnubonneau@ozemail.com.au>

To: Andrew Rohowyj <mailto:andrew@mortdalephysio.com.au> ; kim pearce

<mailto:kimdpearce@hotmail.com> ; hari gaikwad
<mailto:hariher@yahoo.com.au> ; Marcus Rome_bigpond
<mailto:mrome@bigpond.com> ; paul nicolai <mailto:pbnicolai@hotmail.com>

Cc: Peter Aerfeldt <mailto:PAerfeldt@primustel.com.au> ; mike merritt

<mailto:enviroone@optusnet.com.au> ; Charles T <mailto:charles@tira.com.au>
; Chris Kyriacou <mailto:ckyriacou@gmail.com> ; Patrick Sleeman
<mailto:totalcarpentry@yahoo.com.au> ; ric lum
<mailto:constantbalance@iinet.net.au> ; Toby @ Pilar Patterson
<mailto:tobiasandpilar@gmail.com> ; Paul Donohue
<mailto:paul.anneliese@y7mail.com> ; Priya Rapyal
<mailto:prapyal@yahoo.com.au> ; sobik sharma <mailto:sobiks@hotmail.com>
; Merenia Ashwell <mailto:arohanui108@gmail.com> ; Anil Sattarshetty
<mailto:anilsattarshetty@yahoo.com.au> ; dawn woodhouse
<mailto:astrodawnau@yahoo.com.au> ; Ramesh Manocha
<mailto:r.manocha@healthed.com.au> ; Mathew Cooper
<mailto:matthew@mcooper.com.au> ; Andrew Jones
<mailto:jonesclan108@hotmail.com> ; Robert Hunter
<mailto:robert_nathalie@yahoo.it> ; Premnath & Sheena
<mailto:sahajblessed@bigpond.com>

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:04 AM

Subject: Re: Shri Mataji's Talks and Videos Resource

Dear Andrew and everyone Jai Shri Mataji! Just following on from my
email last night. I am including Hari, Marcus, Paul and Kim as Australian
Councillors for their information. Hoping everyone is well and enjoying
Mother in their hearts. Again thank you for raising these matters and for
your frankness in discussing what has been something requiring
clarification. Hopefully through discussing these matters in an open way
we can all have a better understanding and be able continue to enjoy
Mother’s glorious words, while complying with Her instructions. Mother’s
talks are Her Intellectual Property and there is a requirement to
acknowledge it as such and pay a small fee accordingly. From a spiritual
aspect Our Holy Mother is our Guru, and long standing tradition has been
to provide small gifts to ones Guru in appreciation of their teaching and
assistance in our growth. So there are two aspects to providing an
amount for ‘royalties’. In discussing this matter last weekend with The
World Foundation (who are charged with looking after Mothers talks and
managing the collection of royalties on Her behalf) they have further
clarified Mother’s instructions in these matters as per her legal
Will. Mother has advised that 50% of royalties paid on Her talks, photos
etc. are to used by the WF to further their work in restoring and preserving
Her talks for posterity and future generations, and to provide funds for the
WF to continue creating and providing high quality resources for
yogis. Shri Mataji also advises the remaining 50% of the royalty received
should go to Her physical family to be used as they decide. The World
Foundation have provided a Master Hard Drive of talks to Australia and is
working on creating an internet ‘Portal’ where yogis can pay a small token
amount (to assist with its ongoing development) and they will be able to
access videos, audios and texts of Shri Mataji’s talks etc. For an
additional small fee and with approval, yogis will also be able to download
the items. The first trial run of this new service will occur in Australia.
We are in the early days of creating this resource and have some finer
technical details to work out, but it will be very welcome and will overcome
problems some yogis have had accessing information. There is a
genuine desire to make talks etc., easily and readily available to all yogis,
and we ask for your patience as the processes are put in place. I will
attempt to answer some of Andrew’s questions below. Love and best
wishes to everyone. Vishnu

Hi Colin, This is an open letter (cc to the yogis I have been involved
with either by sharing the Hard drive or related discussions) I hope you
are well. I just wanted to thank you again for the wonderful collection of
Shri Matajis talks and Program resource material from England you
shared with me. I also wished to discuss the question of royalties. Two
things which have stood out for me as helping to make the news of Shri
Mataji taking Her Samadhi, and the time since then, a more special and
positive experience are: 1. Being able to listen to All Shri Mataji's Talks,
especially the older ones I hadn't heard before, and a kind of a "mission
feeling" to share them with all the other Sahaja Yogis I could, and; We
have all experienced a very profound ‘strengthening’ of our connection to
Mother now She has re-entered Her Formless state. As dedicated yogis
there is an ‘innate’ desire to share Mother’s message with others. We just
need to ensure we are following the correct protocols as provided by Her
Holiness. 2. Being involved in giving Self Realisation through the
organising and helping running the new Introductory Courses and follow
up Workshop. (PS. I have purchased a Samsung TV monitor which
plays straight off the Hard Drive. This has been extremely useful and
timely to play included Shri Matajis' Videos at these weekly programs. I
have even started converting my other DVDs into file format and putting
them onto the hard drive, along with music for programs). Mother has
provided some wonderful tools for us to use, but once again we need to
ensure correct protocols are being observed. What has happened since:
I was listening to one of Shri Matajis very early talks, a particularly deep
one from 1976 whilst driving early in the morning, when I received the
news of Shri Mataji's taking Samadhi by email on my phone. After my
Tai Chi Class, I was listening to it again, and I had a strong urge to phone
Hari Gaikwad, and share with him this intense feeling to find a way to
share as quickly as possible the early Talks, and in fact all the material
you (Colin) shared with me with all the Sydney Yogis.

The previous week, we were on Program and I had played a fantastic talk
on Attention also from 1976. After the program Hari had approached me
and said he had been trying to get this particular talk for some years to
listen to, so I offered to make him a copy, as I had already given that copy
away. On the day of the News, on the phone, Hari said to me that he
would discuss the question of royalties at the next council meeting. He
agreed with me that the Royalty system should not be an obstacle to as
spreading Shri Mataji's words / message. A week or 2 later, Hari
informed me the protocol should be, that when giving other yogis a copy of
the Talks etc. I should advise them to give some form of Royalty towards
Sahaja yoga projects, where and as they saw fit in their hearts. This sat /
sits well with me. Hari’s advice is a sensible solution to deal with what
has already occurred. From this point forward though we need to be
completely open about any copies made or shared, and ensure we are
not disturbing the vibrations by not providing the required royalty amounts.
We need to move on and ‘do the right thing’ from this point onwards. As
mentioned in last nights email please contact Marcus Rome about
arranging payments. Marcus Rome_bigpond
<mrome@bigpond.com>


Since then I spoke to Charles Tirolongo who handles the Big Media player
and collection of Australian World Talks and Video, sold in Mac format. I
offered to give him a copy of all the material you gave, so that any talks
missing from the collection he manages, could also be accessed by all
yogis. Charles was quite concerned with the royalty aspect of distribution
of this hard drive. Charles at a later date became more specific with me
stating that a value amount should be mentioned to anybody I offered the
hard drive Contents to, in line with the collection he manages, as it would
most likely be simply a subset of that. He said for the complete collection
$1500 was the royalty required and $400-$500 for the hardware. I will
discuss this matter with Charles and others to look at an appropriate
solution. I have also spoken to a couple of other people, in particular
Peter Aefeldt my brother in law who is on the Sydney council. He, after
the Public workshop last Sunday in particular said there was an email
instruction from Vishnu (previously known as Sno Bonneau) the
Australian Coordinator. Vishnu had had discussions with Robert Hunter
and the outcome was that Royalties were due because this was an
important / main source of funding for many SY projects such as the
shelter for homeless women etc. My reaction inwardly at the time was it
felt like a blow. We are not to have any guilt or deep concerns regarding
this. We are aware of it now and will work through it together in a positive
way. This issue has been in the attention and I have been asking Mother
for direction and She has now created this dialogue to clear it up. Jai Shri
Mataji! I asked Peter if he could send me this email, and have received it
whilst writing this letter to you today. I include a copy of the email
These are some questions / comments I have not so much to you Colin,
but to the Council, leaders etc.

1. Shouldn't we keep funding of projects to do with the physical running of

SY and associated projects such as preservation of I.P. (Given to us from
Shri Mataji) completely separate from the act of spreding Her Word /
Words / Message? Yes agreed, and as you can see above 50% of the
royalties are dedicated for that purpose as instructed by Mother in Her
Will.

2. Should we try to control or limit the different ways in which Shri Matajis
Talks, Message in all its formats be shared around the world in the same
way certain previous SY leaders have tried to contlol who and how SYs
should give Self Realisation? My mother who is a good Catholic told me
that when she was young lady in Holland, the Catholic Church instructed
Catholics not to read the bible but to only listen to the Priest who, only
because of his training could correctly interperet it. I hope you can see
by the information above that there is a desire to remove any previous
restrictions and have Mother’s talks etc. available to all yogis directly to
them. I’m sure you will also appreciate that we need to ensure that the
talks etc are only provided to genuine yogis, hence a suggestion of a
simple approval process for downloads. There is also a desire to make
appropriately suitable talks available to everyone, (yet to become yogis)
through the internet.

3. How much royalties should I recommend SYs should pay considering

the bulk of this collection is MP3 format Talks, mainly Public Programs
and Public program recource material VS the collection Charles manages
which is practically the complete set of Shri Matajis videos in optimal
quality for $1500 royalties? As mentioned earlier I will discuss the media
Charles manages with himself, the Australian Council and the World
Foundation. Regarding the package Andrew has can you please advise
the number of talks, and if they are audio or video, and I will seek similar
advice and get back. Meanwhile can I suggest Andrew does not provide
any more copies until we clarify the matter.

4. How much would the royalties would What if I just distributed the Audio
talks, and the Public Program Videos / recource materials..(took out all
Puja Videos)? I ask this because in my case that is the most valuable
and practical part of the collection. I haven't watched any of the videos
myself outside of the programs I have run, and generaly only have time to
listen to talks when I am driving, and generally am satisfied to only listen
during meditation times with eyes closed. The other reason is because
there are probably others, as I am at present, who can not currently afford
$1500 because of their genuine finantial situation. As above. Awaiting
details of the material.

5. Should I continue to distribute the Hard Drive / I.P. material as I have,

and trust other SYs to pay Royalties themselves? OR should I stop
distributing it all together (for me a very sad idea)? Let’s put a hold on
distributing (for now) until we work out an appropriate solution regarding
the royalties.

6. Should I delete all the contents and advise everybody I have shared it
with to do the same if they are unable or un willing to pay whatever ends
being the stated Royalty amounts (even Sadder)? (How will / will it be
Policed?) As above. Do nothing for now.

7. What about the situation that myself and many other Yogis who have
been around for a while are in that we have some hundreds of Audio
Tapes we purchased over the years and paid around $10 royalties for
each talk? Can that be taken into account when determining royalties
owing? If after paying $1500 a better newer format becomes available,
will we have to pay Royalties again for the same / better quality copy of
Words of Shri Mataji? Very good question. I will try to get an answer.

8. Can we collectively distribute, and if neccessary help fund, similar

Hard Drives / resourses to all yogis running programs every where
(especially isolated or distant areas) as a SY Program recource and show
them how to use the hard drive the easiest possible way? Cost: Hard
Drive about $48 (office works), 24 inch Samsung TV monitor with built in
Media Player about $325 (ebay). In many cases some of these yogis
have paid contributions for the spread of SY for many years, fund their
own programs, and need material to play during programs. In other cases
Yogis have no experience and no idea how easy it can be to organise and
present a program. This is an area we need to further explore. We need
to ensure all collectives, large and small have all the resources they need.
The new Portal will overcome those issues, but meanwhile there may be
other options. We are monitoring program requirements at a State
level. Another idea would be to have a computer in the recource room at
Burwood which Yogis could plug in their USB sticks and download Shri
Mataji's MP3 talks as required. For country areas they could do over the
internet. I have seen more recently some of these ideas may be already
starting from Italy.. at a price. This option is certainly a possibility.
However we are trying to create a uniform simple process for all yogis
around the country to use.

PS I have already sent a copy of the hard drive to a Darwin yogi who is
running programs, and sold one to a yogi (feeling a bit isolated) on an oil
rig, and in sharing the hard drive, have preferenced yogis who because of
distance or other personal reasons have difficulty coming to programs,
etc. I have given a copy to one of the Yuvas who Lakshmi thought would
best share it with the other yuvas (as per your request),,, also Yogis who
just seemed to need of deserve it... and asked them to do the same.. till
now. As above. Andrew should probably contact the Yogis and Yuvas he
has provided the talks to and advise them not to panic, but that for now it
is better not to keep making copies until we reach an acceptable
understanding about an amount for royalties for the package. I’m sure we
can all see and appreciate the dilemma of wanting to spread Mother’s
word and the frustration sometimes experienced with the ‘red tape’. This
matter is very much in the attention now and we will work it out in a loving,
considerate manner as would our Mother. It will be good to have clear
directions on this ‘grey’ area for the future.

9. Is it possible to take leadership in SY too seriously? (" thou shalt!

thou shalt not!" ) I am genuinely grateful the paramachaitanya did not
chose me, as I am sure I would have dived full speed into that trap.
Maybe as an ordinary Seeker wanto be Yogi, one has greater freedom?

Pleased Andrew can see the maya around the myth of leadership, and yes
an ‘ordinary’ yogi is far more blessed with their freedom to just enjoy. I
cannot speak for those who came before me or those in other countries,
but I can assure everyone that there is definitely no desire or intent to
place any restrictions on yogis access to Mother’s Divine words. In fact
quite the opposite is true, and recent initiatives sch as acquiring a ‘master
hard drive’ and the creation of the ‘Portal’ are examples of this. Its just
that councillors have to try and assist yogis in finding the balance of
responsibly sharing Mother’s talks in an organised manner, and ensuring
we fulfil our obligations of protocol by providing an acknowledgement in
the form of royalties.

Sorry to Colin / every body who reads this for anything which offends, as I
have for some time just wanted to get all this off my chest (I hope out of
my Agnya!). I am genuinely hoping to get some positive answers to these
questions, and a way to move forwards collectively. My belief is if we
have more, and more varied ways to spread and share all the Blessings
Shri Mataji has given us, it will surely reach more Seekers, including those
already calling themselves Sahaji Yogis. The ways should be living and
organic not rigid and too structured or controlled.

Andrew as your Divine brothers and sisters I’m sure no-one will be
offended by your questions which need to be asked. In fact I am
personally very grateful to yourself as Shri Mataji’s vehicle for bringing this
issue to our attention so we can now begin work through it and remove
any doubts about what is required. Once again, Jai Shri Mataji! Can you
please provide details of the number of audios, videos etc. in the package
being distributed so we can get advice on a suggested royalty amount?
Meanwhile for those having already received it I suggest Hari’s
suggestion above is an appropriate way to deal with the royalty matter
and clear it from recipients attention.Jai Shri Mataji! Regards, Andrew
Rohowyj.