Dialogs With Non Muslims on TopixVol.

9
(Tabular)

Preface: In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious the Most Merciful. All praise is to Allah the Creator and the Cherisher of this Universe, and He peace and blessings be on to His Last and Final Prophet and Messenger Mohammad and to family and companions of prophet. After that. It was almost a year when I published the last list of my dialogs with Non Muslims on the threads of TOPIX. That was Vol.8 in that series of dialogs. I had imagined that it would be my last such list, but as they say, old habits die hard, I kept on keeping secret file of some dialogs which I thought needed to be preserved. A list of 260-275 such questions and answers were compiled over the period of last year and they are now published on SCRIBD for benefits of those who did not read them on TOPIX. It is not possible to avoid duplication of Questions and Answers from the previous eight series as people basically pose the same basic questions about Islam and Muslims, over and over again. I therefore cannot say that all the answers are unique and not covered in the earlier series. But may be some new arguments and some side issues have been added. People may find that my answers are a bit longer and more space is given for the questions. I have presented this series into three forms. The first one is the Master List which lists all Questions and answers in a tabular form. Then from this two other volumes are formed, called 9B and 9C, which present the questions and answers in book form. As I have mentioned in the preface of each series, that these are not Authentic answers from Islamic Scholar but from some one who is a student of Islam and limited in both knowledge and understanding. So If I make any mistake in my answers, I seek forgiveness and Pardon from Allah and if my answers are correct, then it is a Mercy from Allah. I wish that these answers would give information to those who read this type of dry literature. Moiz Uddin Qidwai Jubail, Jan 10, 2013

Christia nity

Jesus

Disciples

[QUOTE who="HughBe"]<quoted text> Please answer my question. Were Jesus' disciples His SLAVES? [/QUOTE] They were not his slaves in legal sense, but more than slaves in spiritual sense!! They considered him as their Lord and their Master, it was indeed a great honor to be able to see a prophet of God with your eyes and listen to his discourses from your own ears and listen to his prayers and blessings which he does for you with your eyes and ears... Which Slave could find a Master like that? And it was thru these direct disciples that teachings of prophet are conveyed to world after he has gone and his memory is kept alive. But unfortunately, many people do not give due regard to the direct disciples of prophets of God and ridicule them and consider them as simpletons and people with little understanding etc. It is a very dangerous tract indeed, very dangerous path to tread on.

Islam

Allah

YHWH

[QUOTE who="Colin"] 1. Allah was dreamed up by a rogue Arab who wanted domination, YHVY is the only true God the God of Israel. Allah is a generic term meaning god (fake god even) YHVH is a personal name 2. The Quran The Bible Allah is unknowable.. YHVH is knowable Allah is non personal ..YHVH is personal Allah is not a spirit ..YHVH is a Spirit [/QUOTE] Ans. I think your remark is very rhetorical in nature. As I mentioned this is not the way to discuss these matters. Whether the Creator of this Universe is called Allah or YHWH or God or ISHVAR or by any other name is immaterial. The list of comparison you have mentioned is also very superficial, and if we start "subjective interpretations" of single Biblical Verses, then I can also come about with similar list showing "YHWH" in bad light. Since you seem to have a "Jewish" background, we should discuss matters in different way, than what we do with those who follow other faiths. A. How to start discussion: 1. Quran teaches us some ways as to how to start discussions / arguments with "people of the book" (an honorable term for Jews and Christians and any other group which claims a revealed scripture as basis of their faith), listen to this Quranic verse: "And do not dispute with the People of Book except in the best ways, unless it be those who do wrong, and say "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which come down to you; and our God and your God in One (and the same) and it is to Him that we submit (In Islam" (29:46). This Quranic verse says clearly that Allah and YHWH are one and the same.

Islam

Beliefs

Logic

[QUOTE who="Adam"] 1. I agree with this part of the post. Islam to its credit dispensed of the more lunatic teachings of Christianity. The trinity, incarnation and transubstantiation are not meant to be understood rationally. They are simply called mysteries. When 2. ..Islam has some doctrines against reason and logic itself. Maybe to you they make sense. But to those outside of the islam bubble many teachings make little sense. For example Muhammad proved his prophethood to the Meccans, he split the moon in two. He also went on a night flight on a winged horse from Mecca to Jerusalem and up into the clouds to heaven to meet God, angels, and other prophets. And if you believe in his teaching you will be rewarded with carnal pleasures from 72 virgins in a desert oasis in the sky. Oh dear (head slap) [/QUOTE] Ans. 1. At least let us start from a positive agreement. That all the "Basic Dogmas" of Christianity are "opposed to reason and logic" and cannot be explained in a reasonable and logical manner. So if Islam removed them, it did a great service to humanity. 2. Islamic Doctrines against reason and logic? I do not think that there are any doctrines of Islam which are against reason and logic. 2A. Examples given by You: The examples given by you, viz the splitting of Moon, his night journey to Jerusalem and his ascension to heavens, these are not doctrines of Islam. They are what we call as Miracles. Miracles are indeed Acts of God performed at the hands of prophets. And these miracles are not only associated with our prophet, indeed every prophet showed some miracles to their people, to prove that they are genuine in their claims of Prophethood. We do not say that our prophet performed these acts on his own

Jews

Moses

Sinai

[QUOTE who="Khatru"] You're right. Moses actually went up the mountain three times: 01. The first time Moses went up the mountain, he came back down with no stone tablets. He just recited what God was supposed to have told him and that is the list of do's and don'ts in Exodus 20. 02. Moses went up the mountain a second time. This time he came back with stone tablets engraved with ten commandments which he smashed in a fit of pique. 03. Moses went back up a third time to get a replacement set of tablets which God duly provided for him. These commandments were the same as the ones on the smashed tablets so it's safe to say that they were more important than the first, verbal edicts. 04. There was no outlawing of killing and stealing on these ten divine enactments. What they did contain were orders that the Jews had to observe the Feast of Weeks (whatever that was) as well as not to cook a kid goat in its mother's milk. 05. If you look at the full ten in Exodus 34:28 and Deuteronomy 4:13 you'll see that the commandments inscribed on stone tablets were quite different to what is commonly regarded as the Ten Commandments. So, the stone tablets kept in the Ark of the Covenant were the ones that Moses brought down on his third trip. [/QUOTE] Ans. Sorry to interrupt you in your private discussions. You could be right that Moses went up the Mountain at Sinai to "Speak" with God. But according to Quran (And Allah knows best), this is what transpired on each visit: 1. Moses First Visit: This happened when Moses was on this way from Median to Egypt and it was a cold night, and his wife was having pains of labor. In that dark night, he was a Fire not far away from where he was standinghe went to investigate and God spoke with him and made him a prophet and charged him to go to Pharaoh and get Israel out of Egypt. 2. Moses' Second Visit: This is when God gave him the stone Tablet with Instructions. Quran says that "We wrote everything for

Islam

Knowle dge

Purpose

[QUOTE who="Adam"] MUQ "Prophet encouraged his followers to read and write and learn wisdom from every source". Then maybe you should study history of religion, science and evolution, so that you can learn about real things in the real world, instead of the superstition of a 7th century preacher. [/QUOTE] Ans. You are very right, we should learn and read Science, History, Medicine and Engineering and every thing in the world. But our aim with these readings should be to discover more beauties and wonderful things in the world around us, to recognize the Power, Wisdom and Mercy of our Creator. We should not study these things to "Prove" that Creator does not exist. If we acquire knowledge with this intention, then this knowledge is really our enemy and not our friend. That is why I said that our "present corps." of Pseudo Scientists, put their "wrong foot" forward by denying the Creator without getting adequate knowledge from the world around them. Like some one said "A little knowledge of Science" usually turns a man into an atheist.. while the "Deep Knowledge of Science" instills Gratitude and Wonder at the Wisdom and High level of Perfection in the work of Creator. Only some one with deep knowledge can appreciate the works of a Master artist at work. Now perhaps you know, my drift when I see all these people "Giving their Oaths" that they searched all over the Universe and could not find Creator anywhere!! I thank you for putting a very good question!! PS: Perhaps I can find an excuse for atheism spreading like 'Wild Fire" in Mostly Christian nations of the world, it was because of "Unreasonable Doctrines of Pauline Christianity like: Trinity

Hindu

God

Attributes

[QUOTE who="Dragnet"] 01. MUQ, I'm surprised when you think that posts like this can cause me pain. 02. Being blatant in speech is not always a virtue. Many times people resort to blatant behavior as a last ditch attempt to stand their ground. 03. The ultimate proof that can be had in both temporal and religious matters is experiential proof. I can see that there are many assumptions in your post when you detail the merits of having a last prophet. 1)Your first assumption is that too much of a good thing is a bad thing. This is why you are against the concept of too many people having direct or indirect access to God. 2)Second assumption on your part is that too many prophets can lead to all round confusion. Hence having a single prophet is desirable in terms of avoiding confusion. But aren't prophets more like lamps that connect to the source of electricity called God. Or do you think that only one lamp is enough to dispel darkness? 3)Third assumption is that since no major religion sprouted in the last 1400 years, hence the age of wisdom is long over. But wouldn't it be right if I say that religion making, like language making or clan making is pass. 04. The world is moving towards unification in every aspect of human life, hence concepts like religion with their tendency to pigeonhole people into narrow sects is also dying. [/QUOTE] Ans. Let us "forget" about the first half of your post, which is mostly a subjective opinion and no benefit can be obtained if we keep on posting our views. Let us concentrate on "second half" of your post, where you have mentioned some "assumptions" which you think I made in my posts. That would be more fruitful. 01. Too Many People having Direct Contact with God is a Bad Thing: Most certainly it is a "Bad Thing". Have you ever run a Govt. or any organization or a Company or a Society? Would you make 20 or 50

Hindu

Idol

Logic

[QUOTE who="Aryans"] 01. I agree with you that idols can not be the god. But I don't agree with you that the ways of worshipping the god shouldn't be different. How does it matter it if someone joins his both hands or raise his both hands to pray the god ? Just as the names of the god( ishver, allah etc) are different in different geographies and cultures, the ways of worshipping him can also be different. There is no uniform way to worship the god in the world. 02. There are some illogical practices in all religions and these practices should be avoided. 03. Religions have been created by humans. That is why there are some errors in all religions. All the religions say that their way is the right way. Many self acclaimed prophets, pirs, saints and babas say that what they are saying are the words of god. But they give no evidence to prove their claim. Ishver has given us the consciousness to know what is wrong and what is right. [/QUOTE] Ans. I think brother, your problem is that you want to travel on two boats at the same time. The doubts mentioned by you are only argumentive type and not basic. They would arise only if God had not sent down true guidance and true way to worship Him thru His Chosen Prophets and Messengers. When true guidance is available, why should people have to devise "alternate ways" to worship and please Him? There is no scripture in the world which tells people to make idols from their own hands and then "think" that by worshipping these idols they are worshipping God. What you see so many different ways going on in our country, are the results of followers corrupting and overruling the means mentioned in their scriptures, with their own invented ways. The same goes for all these "self styled" babas and Pirs and Gurus and god-men, who "claim" to have divine guidance but in reality have none. The door to prophethood was closed 1400 years ago when Last and Final prophet came into the world. Now we have to judge teachings of all these 'self styled' divine guides as to how much they are in conformity to teachings of Last prophet.

Atheism

God

Existence

[QUOTE who="OB"] 01. If your Creator "always was" then whatever he is made of, also "always was". Energy comprises everything in the universe and has never been created nor destroyed. If the basic substance of everything (energy) has never been created nor destroyed, then no creator was ever required. 02. Also, your argument breaks down with your "always was" argument because the initial posit is anything complex and wonderful had to have a creator. The creator is "complex and wonderful" therefore he also had to have a creator or your initial argument is bull crap from the get go. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Who told you that "energy was always there and was not created"? Energy was "also created" at the time of Big Bang!! The Creator is not part of this Universe, in fact no Creator puts its part into its creations!! So the Creator is separate from this Universe and not part of this Universe. This is the "basic problem" of all these Atheists, that they have no clear concept of either Universe or the Creator of this Universe. 02. Even if any thing is not complex and straightforward, even then it has to has a Creator. A paper pin and a Super Computer, both need to be created, they cannot create themselves or get created by chance. The complexity of Universe only demonstrates the "mathematical impossibility" that any thing so complex and with so many variables can create itself or can come by chance. So my argument stands where it it and does not break down.

Hindu

Prophet

Krishna

[QUOTE who="Yaudheya"] Why should we believe on this possibility that Muhammad may be a prophet or a final prophet ? Why should we not believe on Lord Krishna's promise that He will come to reestablish the ' Dharm '? If you believe that Muhammad was a prophet , it's o.k. but why do you not want to live us with our faith ? Why your meal doesn't digest without attack on our faith ?[ It has become identity of Mohammedans . Proof ? wait IMI , fake steady etc. will start soon with their dirty vulgar language ] Why do you demand to us that we should believe in Muhammad instead Krishna ? [/QUOTE] Ans. You have posed a "very interesting" question and I hope that you will have patience to listen to my arguments, on "why one should believe in Prophet Mohammad and not Lord Krishna". 01. First of all, I do not want to say any thing bad about Lord Krishna. My criticism is only about what we are told about his personality and his teachings. 02. Was Lord Krishna a Historical Personality? : No one can say for sure. What were his times, where he lived and what he actually did, no one knows for sure. People have just named some cities and villages and "think" that Lord Krishna was born here and lived there. Who were contemporaries of Lord Krishna, and how many recorded their testimonies about him, no one knows. There is "only one book" in which we find his story. And that is not enough unless we are sure that it is an authentic book. 03. How the message of Gita reached us?: It is said that this is a discourse which Lord Krishna gave to Arjun on the battlefield. How come it was recorded "verbatim" by some one who was not present there? There is no chain of narrators who can say that Lord Krishna spoke these words. Unless there is authentic proof that these are really the words of Lord Krishna we cannot attribute it to him. 04. Does God takes Human Shape and Form?:

Hindu

Prophet

Logic

[QUOTE who="Jai"] 01. MUQ ,who told you that god sends his revelation through a person to others. 02. What is the guarantee that god passed his message through Muhammad only. Where are angels where are they hiding. 03. As far as idols case is concerned we don't worship it, we use it so that our mind doesn't deviates. Who has seen god by the way. 04. Persons like ram are worshipped because of their qualities they looked birth approx. 5500 years ago and are part of glorious 7500+ Indian civilization. 05. How can Muhammad be compared to ram he is just one pir may be equal to sai baba. How can one compare nomadic desert culture to that with another civilization. 06. If muha was really a messenger then why are Arabs so backwards , there is absolutely no peace in that region. NO 07. BASTARD OR ANY IMPOSITER LIKE MUHAMMAD HAS RIGHT TO IMPOSE HIS/HER UPON OTHERS,ISLAM HAS BECOME A ABSOLUTE MOCKERY IN MODERN WORLD. [/QUOTE] Ans. You have posed so many questions in a single post, I prefer you ask one question at a time, so we can discuss it in detail. I will give short answers to each of your question. Try to read them and understand it, because you seem to me under some "strong emotional trauma". The last sentence of your post shows it. Control your emotions, that is my advise to you brother Jai. 01. It is God Himself who testifies in Quran and in all previous scriptures that came to earlier prophets, This is God' way to send His guidance to human living on this earth. And our prophet was not the ONLY prophet that came into world. Quran gives names of at least 25 such prophets (knows to Jews and Christians by name), our prophet was only the Last and Final in that honorable chain. 02. The guarantee that Quran came from God and no one else is provided in Quran itself. It asks that if people are in doubt about its

Islam

Women

Hijab

[QUOTE who="AB s"] 1. Here is one for you, did you know that women who wear proactive clothing are asking to be raped? Police in Swaziland are cracking down on rapeby putting women in jail. Authorities in Africa's last absolute monarchy have issued a ban on "rape-provoking" clothing, including miniskirts, midriffrevealing tops, and low-rise jeans, the AFP reports. Women caught wearing such clothing will be arrested, and face six months in jail. "The act of the rapist is made easy, because it would be easy to remove the half-cloth worn by the women," a police spokeswoman explained. The spokeswoman also said that provocatively-dressed women are to blame when they are sexually assaulted. "I have read from the social networks that men and even other women have a tendency of 'undressing people with their eyes.' That becomes easier when the clothes are hugging or are more revealing," she said. The ban will not, however, apply to traditional garb, which can be a tad revealing. During the annual Reed Dance, for instance, women go bare-breasted and wear beaded skirts that only cover their front. Your thoughts? 2. Muq, your former country of India in the news... Dozens of Jews who claim to be the descendants of a lost biblical Jewish tribe have emigrated to Israel from their village in northeastern India. The Bnei Menashe say they are descended from Jews banished from ancient Israel to India in the eighth century BC. An Israeli chief rabbi recognized them as a lost tribe in 2005 and about 1,700 moved to Israel before the government stopped giving them visas.

[/QUOTE] Ans. 1 . There are many factors which contribute towards rape and no one can single out a "single" reason that is only responsible for rape. I can point out following factors that contribute in cases of

Hindu

Idol

Reason

[QUOTE who="Aryan"] 01. Idols are not necessary to worship the god. If anybody thinks that these idols are god then he is wrong. Ways of worshiping the god can be different, still the god is same. We can not change him. Kabir said 'nadiya ek ghat bahutere jani sake na samajh ke fere'. 02. God is formless. Some people meditate by creating an image of god in their mind. If someone finds it helpful in worshipping the god then he is free to do that. Because in every way they are worshipping the almighty. We should respect their feelings. 03. Many people say that all the soles are the 'ansh' of the supreme being. There are some pure soles(great people) who acts as the messengers of god. People can have different views on this subject. 04. I condemn those people who spread hatred in the name of religion. God don't say that we should hate each other in the name of religious faith. 05. You can not say that all the abrahmic religions don't create the image of god. We can see the image of Jesus in every church, who is the god of Christian brothers. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. To create Idols itself is wrong and not approved by God, so any one who creates idols and worships them is doing wrong and that act prevents them from worshipping the true God. God has not left us wandering and "devise" our own ways to worship Him. He has sent prophets and messengers to show people what is the best way to worship Him. Poets like Kabir etc. have no authority to devise their own philosophy on these matters. 02. What image of God any individual has, it should stay within their minds and should not be reproduced in any form. If God had not sent guidance, then your contention that every one is free to use their imaginations would have been correct. Now after God has sent His prophets and thru them showed people the proper way to worship God, if even then some one wants to "insist on his own way" then it is like, a good quality Multi Lane

Hindu

Idol

Reason

[QUOTE who="Aryan"] 01. In my view idol can not be the 'ishver'. It can only be a means to worship the god. We can worship the god even without creating his idol. And Ishver neither takes birth in human form nor he begets children. 02. He sometimes sends his 'ansh' in human form for the sake of mankind. [/QUOTE] Ans. a. Idol Worship: You are speaking here a contradiction. How can you "create" an idol and start worshipping ISHVAR thru that Idol? Who gave you "authority" to make that Idol of ISHVAR. How can you give shape to someone, who does not have shape? And the moment you make an Idol of ISHVAR. You bring Him down to be like a human being and create all human like qualities in Him. The Idols have a family, wife and children and they fight with each other and whole time people's attention is divided into serving the needs of these human like idols (you can see all that Puja Rituals and the money which these idols collect). So Idol worship, prevents you from Worshipping ISHVAR. That is why Idol worship is prohibited in every revealed religion and every prophet has spoken against it. Those who justify Idol worship in any shape and form are misleading common people and taking them away from worshipping ISHVAR. This is the least I can say on this topic. b. Prophets and Messengers: You are again mixing truth with falsehood when you say that he sends His "ANSH" for the sake of Human kind. No ISHVAR does not sends His ANSH, He cannot be divided. He only "Chooses" a Human from any nation and sends His

Hindu

Idol

Reason

[QUOTE who="Aryna"] MUQ, what is the difference between Allah and Isver. Almighty is called God in English, Isver in Sanskrit and Allah in Arabic. How does it matter if someone call him Isver and not Allah ? [/QUOTE] Ans. This is a very good question you asked. Yes Allah is known by many names in different languages. In English they call Him God, in Hebrew they call Him YHWH and ELOHIM. In Sanskrit they call Him as ISHWAR. There is no problem in calling Allah as ISHWAR. But the problem comes when we discuss the Attributes and Qualities of Allah or ISHVAR. If some one makes statue of Allah or God or ISHVAR then it is wrong. If some one says that Allah or ISHVAR or God beget a Son or Daughter, then it is wrong. If some one says that ISHWAR came to earth in human form then also it is wrong. If your concept of ISHWAR is free from all these impurities, then you are very close to Allah.

Islam

God

Existence

[QUOTE who="IDGAF"] You cannot prove that there is only one god. There are probably multitudes. You can't even claim the universe because we don't yet understand the size or dimension. It maybe multiple universes in many dimensions. [/QUOTE] Ans. It is EVERY easy to prove that there is only One God in the Universe, while it is NEXT to IMPOSSIBLE to prove that there are multitude of gods!! Consider the following: a. To the best of our knowledge, the same laws are being followed, thru out the whole Universe. That shows that there is only One God who made these laws which everything follows. Had there been multitude of God, there would be no Universal laws. b. As for as we can probe , the lights from stars and galaxies which are billions of light years away reaches to us, indicating that there is no barrier in the universe. Had there been multitudes of gods, they would not allow "light from another god" to pass thru their kingdom. c. All living creatures and every thing we see is made from same basic particles. Indicating that there is only One God and Creator. If there were multitude of creators, they would have used different building blocks for their creations. These are simple and straight forward reasons for the common people who have some knowledge about science. And if one sees thru the universe and observe how these things are functioning for millions of years, one will be "forced to admit" that there exists Only One Powerful, all Knowing, Merciful and Wise Creator behind this universe!! Muliple Universes and Musliple dimensions, is only a Hypothesis and not yet proven. You can not make your faith on Hypothesis.

Hindu

Idol

Arya

[QUOTE who="IM 2000"] Thank you for your warm greetings and kind words but I have to decline you by saying a polite "NO" for what you are suggesting. Although I have given up idol worship but it was a part planned in my destiny since my family has been Arya Samaji who never were in to any idol worship. I feel like a much better person now since there is no limit to love people without any hiccups like religion. I remember how difficult it is to bring a Muslim home for a Hindu in India as after he leaves there is always the talk about "him" or "her" ! I see all religions in the same light and can get to the root of the problem fast by seeing the quality of the life they have chosen. I regard Christians as the most logical ones among the believers and find Muslims as the reliable ones for hand work construction, handicrafts and art work. Sikhs are good as farmers, dairy products, Tarkhans. Have you ever read about Christopher Hitchens ? I enjoy following his life whenever I have time. 2. Well said, MUQ ! Modi might turn up at the center as PM but then he will be the PM of "saanth gaanth" or "Tordd marrod" "samjha boojhi" and not some guy sweeping in like Rajiv Gandhi came in with landslide victory. [/QUOTE] Ans. A. Your Choice: It is your choice my brother and it is for you to make choice and that is what you will be responsible for. But I find a slight disbalance in your personality, if you do not mind me saying it. You say your family is Arya Samaji, but it did not prevent you from being an Idol Worshipper. Now after that Near Death experience you have decided to come back to family fold and become an Arya Samaji. Is that a reasonable approach. B. Arya Samaj, a few words about them

Hindu

Women

rape

[QUOTE who=" "] [/QUOTE] Ans. TALIBANI Punishment in Secular Democratic India? Seems strange, but if any one has been observing, the entire Electronic Media in India for past three days is reverberating with demands and demonstrations from every part of India. People from all walks of life, from North to South, from East to West are demanding one thing Rapists for Gang Rape of Delhi Medico must be hanged. Is it not strange that most of these people were criticizing these TALIBANI style punishments a short while ago. How come a single case of Gang Rape has changed their opinion upside down? Let there be no misunderstanding here, I have full sympathy with the victim and also demand death punishment for the killers, but I feel that most of these demonstrations are emotional and will not produce any long lasting effect. We have to have more that death punishment for rapist" to solve this problem of rapes and gang rapes. It was the same India where a century ago, the cases of rapes and gang rapes were extremely rare. There was so much pressure from the society and the punishment was so swift and quick that the criminal had no means to escape. But most of the rules have been diluted over past several decades, what we are observing is the logical results of what we sowed over the years. Let me point out some factors: 01. Rapes and Gang rapes are not Some thing unheard of in India: This is neither the First case of rape nor of gang rape in India. If some one reads the daily Newspapers, we see every few days such cases being reported from some parts of India. May be the brutality and the manner in which this crime was committed provoked so much reaction. No one cares as to what happened to those earlier victims and those criminals in these earlier cases of rape.

Christia nity

Trinity

Kafir

[QUOTE who="N4"] Well, maybe the Kafir will see the light .....or maybe , destructive Jihad will cease and offensive Jihad will begin ....Allah knows best .. [/QUOTE] Ans. Those who say that Jesus is God are also a Type of Kaffirs. Those who say that God is a Triune God are also a sort of Kaffirs. When Jesus returns all types of Kaffirs would cease to exist as they would see the light. Both Offensive and Defensive Jihad would cease to exist and "Whole Humanity" would be united in worshipping "One True Lord of the Universe". This is our belief on "second coming of Jesus"? What is your belief? "Would he take his "own portion" of humanity to Heaven and leave the rest to rot?

Islam

Jews

Jihad

[QUOTE who="NT"] 1. You miss the point entirely. Weren't the Jews persecuted by Muhammad that he made them pay him protection money. 2. Now the Jews are the dominant force that they control the destiny of others like the Palestinians who wish to remove the Jews much like how the Jews would have felt towards Muhammad. 3. Got it ? gods justice is that what goes around comes around. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. No our prophet "did not persecute" Jews, till they paid "protection money"? He offered them most decent treaty once he came to Madina. But they chose to malign him and his religion and made pacts and deals with enemies of Islam from inside and outside Madina. So it were they who broke the terms of treaty and had to pay the consequence. 02. And Jews persecuting that Hapless Palestinians are not "taking revenge" for that treatment. They are trying to persecute them for stealing their lands and homes. 03. And if your logic "what goes comes back" is true, then It is Jews who should "worry" about what will be their fate when "what they are doing right now comes back to them"? That is why I said any regime based on Mischief, falsehood, oppression and injustice has but a short leash of life and present Zionist regime of Isreal is all these qualities personified, how it can have a Long Leash of Life?

Misc

Terror

Punishme nt

What about Adam Lanza? I see every one pouring their hearts out for those innocent children who died at the hand of Adam Lanza. But what about Adam Lanza himself? 01. Did he face the consequence of his dastardly attack? 02. Is his suicide end of matter? 03. Is there is no difference between him and 20 innocent Children? They all died and are buried in the ground? 04. Could any Court on this earth punish Adam Lanza for his crime? Or NO PUNISHMENT is needed in such cases? Let us hear from our Atheists friends, what do they think? 05. Is it "natural and reasonable" that Adam Lanza and his victims meet the same end? 06. Once they died, their file is closed for ever? A Killer and Innocent Victim became equal after death? 07. Is that the way, this Universe is supposed to be running? 08. Why there should not be more Adam Lanza in future? Do not be shy, or philosophical about it, or release your Anti religion venom. Just think coolly, is there any way we can differentiate between Killer and his victims once they die? What your Atheist Philosophy says about it and do you have any proofs for your convictions?

Misc.

Terror

Actions

US school shooting: Tearful Barack Obama calls for 'meaningful action' http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/ WASHINGTON: A tearful President Barack Obama said US leaders must "take meaningful action'' regardless of politics in response to the mass shooting at a Connecticut elementary school. The president teared up, at times using an index finger to wipe at the corner of his eyes, as he addressed the nation from the White House. He also paused repeatedly as he struggled to keep his composure while speaking of the children, ages 5 to 10, who had died and the life milestones they now would miss. He said, quote, "Our hearts are broken.'' Shortly before speaking, Obama ordered that US flags be flown at half-staff on public grounds through Tuesday. Comments (from MUQ): So now the "Recently elected Lame Duck President" has asked to take "Meaningful Response" on that school shooting Incident. Let us see different scenarios and the "Meaningful Response" that one could take: A. The Killing was from a Missile or Bomb Attack from any Muslim country in the world: Meaningful Response: Launch a full scale war on that country and bring it to "Middle ages" in four or five days. There is no limit on the response. Use any weapons, use Carpet Bombing B. The Killing was from a Missile attack or Bomb Attack but the country was Isreal: Meaningful Response: It must have been a mistake, otherwise USA never expects that a "friendly nation" like Isreal would do such a heinous crime. President of USA has "personally asked" the HE the President of Isreal to issue a "written and signed apology" that such an incident shall never be repeated in future. And Israel planes and Missiles shall not treat USA as an "enemy country".

Islam

Jihad

Rewards

[QUOTE who="rio"]<quoted text> The mention of 72 virgins in the afterlife of martyrs is a metaphor, to express peace, joy and tranquility after death - like a reward one could say. Like all ancient texts (Bible and New Testament included), the Quran was written in an allegoric form, not to be taken strictly to the letter. [/QUOTE] Why not take it "literally"? The life in hereafter shall be both Physical and Spiritual. There will be plenty for both parts. Sexual desire and Polygamy is the "natural state" of any healthy male on this earth, the same shall be in the hereafter. A number 72 is not the "maximum" it would be "at least"!! The "natural taste" of a good women on earth is to be linked with "one man" through out his life and the same shall be her status in the hereafter also. A man who has more than one wife is not looked down on this earth, while any woman who has "more than one husband" is termed "whore" on this earth. Why should it be any different in the hereafter. Why people should try to "down play" to discuss the needs of human body in the paradise? Quran is very specific about it, it mentions the need of human body.... and then adds the Spiritual Bliss they shall have. After mentioning details of some of the delights it ends with 'And Some thing More from Ourselves"!! What is this? Prophet said 'Some thing which no eyes ever saw, which no ears ever heard and with no Mind ever imagined"!! Such is the description of Paradise in Quran ... Covering both Physical and Spiritual Bliss of the Highest Order!!

Islam

Prophet

miracles

[QUOTE who="AB s"] So lets talk about the moon physically splitting in half again and authentication that the world was flat for how many hundreds of muslim years??? Just curious, what muslim authenticated the calendar they used for centuries before they adopted the 365 day calendar? Wake up comrade muq, if man has touched it(and I know this may come as a shock to you but even muslim men), man has phucked it up...or tweaked it to his own benefit...this includes interpreting other people's words... [/QUOTE] Ans. A. Moon Splitting: What is your problem with moon "Physically Splitting up" Is it a Scientific Impossibility? As a scientist I will distance myself with such issues because there is "Not enough Scientific data for or against this event" In Such cases, if the event is not "Scientifically Impossible" we should look at the evidence presented. If sufficient numbers of reliable eye witnesses are testifying that they saw and witnessed the event, it must be accepted. What I wrote about Moon Splitting is applicable for ALL Miracles mentioned in Scriptures. Why they would be called Miracles if they were "Every day affairs". But God becoming Man is "Scientific Impossibility" so we need much stronger evidence to justify this type of events. B. Earth being Flat: Quran does not say that earth is flat or earth is round. It is not its subject. But whatever it says holds true!! If "Muslims" thought earth was flat, it is their problem and not Quran s. Newton did not know ANYTHING about DNA, would you call him an "ignorant scientist"? C. Calendar: The Islamic Calander is Lunar Calander which consists

Christia nity

Gospel

Authentici ty

[QUOTE who="smhl"]Jesus might have said some wise remarks as reported in the synoptic. As for the fourth gospel, not a single word in it were ever spoken by him. [/QUOTE] I would not go to the "extreme" by saying that "Not a single word in that Gospel was spoken by Jesus" (unless of course you mean that Jesus spoke Aramaic and the Gospel was written in Greek, then this charge shall stick to all four Gospels equally)... But this Gospel was written in allegorical language and the writers puts "his own words" into the mouth of Jesus. But nevertheless it does record some sayings of Jesus, we should check it with other three Gospels and decide which words were "probably spoken" by Jesus. We should not reject 100 % of this Gospel and should not accept 100 % of it either, the same as we do for other three Gospels as well!!

Islam

Prophet

Proofs

[QUOTE who="Buford"]<quoted text>Funny how all of the "old scriptures" have been corrupted EXCEPT for the few instances, like Deut. 18:18 or John 14:26 where there exists the slightest and most improbable possibility that the text COULD POSSIBLY be referring to Mohammad! [/QUOTE] Many things in the Old Scriptures were not corrupted like saying God is one and you shall worship none but Him!! Deut. 18:18 was a "harmless passage" in which there was no need to "modify or corrupt". Jews thought it "just like hundreds of other prophesies in the Bible"..... Christians "thought" that it refers to Jesus 100 %, only when our prophet came 600 years ago, then the "real worth" of that prophesy was seen. By that time, it was not feasible to modify the scriptures, because Muslim scholars did not know about this prophesy, till after many centuries had passed. The same was with the "comforter" prophesy in Gospel of John. The Christian world was "confident" that Issue of Comforter was solved for ever when they "inserted" "Comforter , which is the Holy Spirit" into that Gospel. It was a "shock of a life time" when the Comforter came into Arabia in 7th Century CE!!

Islam

Teachin gs

Objection

[QUOTE who="Sid"] 1. In acts of war against islam prisoners are be murdered, crucified or tortured by cutting off hands and feet. 2. Disbeliever are to have their fingertips and heads cut off. 3. If idolaters repent [convert] let them go free. 4. Hypocrites and alarmists [non believers] are to be killed. 5. Instructions to kill jews. 6. Kill any Jew who falls under your power. 7. Killing non believers is of no consequence to muslims. 8. In war most must be killed before taking prisoners, keep their goods." But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion. Islam is manifested through killing it's enemies. 9. No need to interpret this one, Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.

[/QUOTE] Ans. So let us see, what are Quranic teachings and how you have distorted them, and drawn wrong conclusions. If you did this because of ignorance, then you could be excused, but if you did it knowingly, then it was devilish. 1. In acts of war against islam prisoners are be murdered, crucified or tortured by cutting off hands and feet. MUQ: I think you refer to Ch. 6 Verse 36, which says that: Punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is :Execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land..except for those who repent before they fall into your power, in that case know that Allah is oft Forgiving, Most Merciful I think that punishment for High Treason and waging war against state is death penality in Most of the Civilized societies. What Quran gives is many options, so that there is choice in punishment depending upon the type of crime. I do not know that Crucifixion was ever used in any Muslim country. And then see the exception in the end, to give a way out for those who waged war against state and then repented before they came into hand of Muslims. I do not know our modern laws recognize this clause.

Islam

Quran

Authentici ty

[QUOTE who="Adam"] 1. Sounds like circular reasoning. The Quran tells us it is the word of Allah. The word of Allah is perfect. Therefore the Quran is perfect. There the Quran is the word of Allah. And so on. A implies B which implies A, etc. 2. MUQ, you agree the OT writers wrote stories centuries after they were supposed to occur. And the NT writers wrote stories decades after they were supposed to have happened. Word of mouth stories do not transmit well in the space of days, never mind decades or centuries!! We can be very sure that the stories in the OT were made up, or at most loosely based around some events in the distant past, and heavily fictionised. This is also why can say the Quran is not reliable. Because it is largest based on the re-telling of the same stories found in the Bible. For example Moses is mentioned 136 times in the Quran, and the stories about him are probably the mostly fiction and legend.

[/QUOTE] Ans. A. Circular Argument: 1. No it is not circular reasoning at all. We just do not make the claim that Quran is God' word, we give you a challenge also to prove that we are wrong!! 02. We say that if "One man" who did not know how to read and write and with no human teacher, could produce an Arabic Master piece like Quran, why can't whole humanity, joined together can produce a chapter like Quran (in Arabic language of course)? 03. And believe it or not, this Quranic challenge is 1400 years old and no one has come forward to take it.

Islam

Jihad

Killings

[QUOTE who="LLL"] If one's religion leads to intolerance, hatred and war, then what good is it? Over the course of a thousand years, more people have been killed in the name of religion then any other cause. That is disturbing and sad. The evil that men do, may one day destroy us all. Hopefully some day, man will put aside his greed and lust for power so there will be no need for any more wars. Will man ever find true peace; or are we destined to be forever violent? [/QUOTE] Ans. Over the period of centuries, much more people have been killed in the cause of National Pride, Lust for More Power and More land, to expand One's Empire and to exploit other nations and their economic and material and manual wealth. Much more casualties have been on these accounts than those on purely religious causes. But when discussing, no one remembers those killings and excesses, but only remembers the wars that were done under name of religion. Which religious issue caused WW-1 and WW-2 where maximum number of humans were killed? Which religious issue was at the stake of Vietnam war, Korean War, Iraq war? Wars fought on purely religious grounds have been very few, and there too, other factors were hidden under the religious motives. I do not see any major war, except Crusades and fighting between Roman Catholics and Protestants in Europe as being fought on religious grounds. But every one these days is "hell bent" to prove that religions are the "major" no "only" cause of wars between people and hate between people. And once there is no religion, there will be "peace and tranquility in the world and no wars". This is a very wrong idea, as longs as humans exist and have desires of exploiting others and dominate over them, there will be wars.

Misc.

China

progress

[QUOTE who="Dragnet"] 1. You maybe right about middle men and the consequent corruption arising from that. 02 Again this all boils down to the fact that China has certain advantages in having a totalitarian form of government. . 03. China's GDP was less than India in the 1970s. 04. Other communist countries were completely state planned economies till their dissolution. Even today Cuba and North Korea are state planned economies. 05. Another thing that went in China's favor was the opening of the world markets just at the right time to give a fillip to its economy. Most of China's exports are to America and Western European nations. 06. During cold war the markets of these countries were off limits to China and other communist countries. With the abolishment of protectionist regimes and trading blocs, China has found ample space for its products. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. By asking me to comment on comparing India versus China, you are almost forcing me to be an anti India (because the current position of Extreme Nationalism and Patriotism is that you must NEVER put your country into bad light and try to defend it and try to prove it that it is the best country in the world). 02. This is a problem from which Indians have suffered since its very beginnings. Like a frog in the well, which has only seen his well and nothing else, he will think that his well is what is there in the world and the whole world is in that well. Any one who has visited India and talked to Indians, gets the same view. For them Himalaya is the Mountain in the world, Ganga and Yamuna are The rivers in the world and every thing connected with Indian soil is to worshipped. This mentality has forced Indians to be self-content with their country and do not look for better models outside. 03. Then India from its very beginning is a country with graded

Misc.

China

progress

[QUOTE who="Dragnet"] Now look, I'm not holding a brief for any country. But facts cannot be presented selectively, or else you would be open to the accusation of indulging in cherry picking. Let's look at the strong points of Chinese temperament. Chinese as a race are indeed more disciplined, more amenable to co-operate in team spirit and more respectful of authority and hierarchy than Indians. This may have something to do with their Confucian value system that they may have imbibed into their daily life style. Apart from this, the Chinese society has far more homogeneity which lends to them a greater sense of cohesiveness. This advantage is not there for the Indians, I suppose. But all this should not blind our eyes to the underbelly of Chinese economy. Time to time news filters out of China, despite the tightly controlled media, about sporadic outbursts of labor unrest in the towns and industrial suburbs of major cities which is then snuffed out with an iron hand. Chinese authorities clamp down on dissent ruthlessly. Thus much of the labor disputes and other factors that can play spoilsport is brushed aside with no fear of accountability that is present in a normal democracy. Hence the present Chinese dominance in the manufacturing sector has come at a great social and political cost. Devaluation of currency is resorted to by nations themselves. So I don't understand how others can gang up against China. Since you seem to be a fan of Chinese way of life, I take the liberty of asking you one question. Do you agree with China's family planning system? In China you simply cannot have a large brood of children without paying a price for that. Is this acceptable for you as a muslim? Try to answer this honestly, because China's family planning system has played a major role in its rise. [/QUOTE] Ans. Just praising China in some respect does not mean that I am an ardent fan of China and blindly follow them in every thing and in their every philosophy. I was just comparing about the progress made by China in every field in which they have entered. No doubt discipline is the basic requirement, but it is not the only requirement. India during Emergency tried it hand at the discipline but it proved ineffective because those maintaining discipline had their own interests in mind and not the country.

Islam

Beliefs

Objection

[QUOTE who="SC"] Oh please, all muslims care about is sex orgies, multiple servants, pure pleasure. They care nothing about worship at all in the strictest sense. Your heaven for example compared to Xian heaven. And if you do understand about the metaphor behind the daily bread then don't start barking around like you have any authority on the matter. Christians don't even have the concept of servants giving their every need. The Christian heaven doesn't talk about food, wine, virgins lol... It sticks to its guns when it say the lord is all you need. The lord provides. It doesn't need food, drinks, sex to incite you to come to heaven. Upon seeing the lord and dwelling with him is eternal paradise as it is. Food even if it was literally described is a minor foot note in comparison to the descriptions about God's presence and light. Read the bible yourself. Whereas the Quran heaven is very explicit about what is in there; no doubt getting Mo's followers horny and salivating of course! More raids of course for women and booty; and if you die a martyr heaven awaits you lol. So gullible... Christians are told to abstain from any excess, love one another, praise God and you will go to heaven with your maker eternally. You can live your life how you want it but be warned that you suffer the consequences are given when on trial from the book of life. Muslims are too weak and cannot do anything without being societally coerced, threatened by whipping, decapitating, amputating to do the Lord's will. Most of course do not deserve heaven as it was not their choice but the thought of getting whipped or hit by your husband. Then they get to deserve the very things the lord warned them was sinful!!! [/QUOTE] Ans. [QUOTE who="sid"] Are you so stuck in your literal tunnel vision thinking to think that "daily bread " means a loaf of bread. How about "bread as a metaphor for LIFE "daily sustenance " spiritual, mental. Jesus said to them,Very truly, I tell you, it was not Moses who gave

Islam

Prophet

Wives

[QUOTE who="NT"] Hello MUQ, what happened to the wives of Muhammad after his death? [/QUOTE] Ans. Thanks for asking a very good question!! I will answer it is some what detail. A. General comment: After the death of prophet (peace be on him), his wives, treated with respect and reverence by all Muslim, devoted themselves full time to practice and teach Islamic values to Muslims, especially women. They led a pious and pure lives, even though handsome allowances were fixed for them by Caliphs, they did not amass any wealth but spent it in charity. They did not built any new house, but dwelt in the same one room chamber which prophet had made for them. Most of them died and lay buried in Madina and their chambers were demolished and merged into the Prophets mosque when it was expanded. Now I will give a short sketch of each of them, so that people might learn some thing. Otherwise they have a very wrong opinion about these ladies and pass very loose comments from time to time. A. Khadija: She was the first wife of prophet. Prophet married he when he was 25 and she was 40. She was widowed twice before her marriage with prophet. Prophet had all her issues with her and she was the first to accept Islam when we was appointed prophet. She was always at her side to lend her support to his mission. She died in year -3H and lay buried in Makkah. B. Saudah: Prophet married her in Makkah. She was widowed once and had migrated with her husband to Abyssinia.

Jews

Muslim s

Dealings

[QUOTE who="Frijoles"] 1. 01. Where DID Jews come from then? India? Denial of history (even your OWN history as Muslims incorporated the bible into their holy books_ gets you nowhere. 02. Israelis are pragmatic. If the other side wasnt inherently hostile, then there would be no need for demilitarization. Why should Israel withdraw to the 48 lines anyhow? They werent the ones attacked in 48, and they werent the ones who lost. Get real. 03. The PA has police and the area has industry so I dont know where you are getting your facts from. "Pushing the Jews into sea" might be one solution..." 04. Thanks for revealing once again your cards...You do more for the cause of Zionism than any Jew could do on their own. . 05. Let me ask you this: How much was Arafat worth? Where did the money come from? And how much of that money trickled down to the Palestinians? Let me ask you this: How many Jews over the years have: 1) hijacked planes 2) strapped on suicide vests and blown themselves up in public 3) stored weapons in synagogues and dispatched bombs to other synagogues? 4) Fired missiles at their holiest city? 5) Issued death fatwas? 6)rioted over criticism of the bible? I could go on and on.... [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Why should I answer from where the Jews came from? According to My research they came out of Palestine, killed (in hundreds of thousands) and displaced the peaceful people living in that land (for generations) and took their lands and possessions.

Islam

Quran

Copying

[QUOTE who="Deedat"] Qidwai Sahib, Nice poetry from Zaid ibn Amr The Hanif [/QUOTE] Ans. Janab Deedat Sahib I thank you for your post and short comment A. Quran and Zaid's Poetry: Zaid Bin Amr, the Haneef might have been a very good poet it his own right, but if you have the misconception that his poetic skills are comparable to these beautiful Quranic verses I have quoted, then you are mistaken. Zaid's efforts are recorded in Islamic literature, but they are no match with the elegance and beauty of Quran. The problem comes when translating from one language into another, it is impossible to translate the real beauty, elegance, lyrics and grandeur of words used in the actual wordings. I am no great scholar of Arabic language, but even to me when I hear Quran and then I hear any other Arabic composition, I can feel the difference. This is where the translators of Quran, face their dilemma, as one Quranic Translator said "Quran the inimitable symphony, the very recitation of which moves strong men to tears." And another Well known Translator, Abdullah Yousuf Ali says "Who can translate these Beautiful Arabic words into English" So without meaning any disrespect to Zaid, let me tell you that his poetry is no match to Quran, neither in Arabic composition, nor in original thoughts. B. An imperfect analogy: We have so many Urdu poets, Mir, Sauda, Momin, Dard etc and then there is Ghalib. All of them wrote high class Urdu poetry, but Ghalib stands apart. Even if you are not a great Urdu scholar, you can feel the difference between a Ghazal of Ghalib and any of these other poets. As Ghalib himself said:

Islam

Jihad

Stages

Stages of these Jihad in the past 1400 years history of Islam: Just to show that what I have written is not from my own mind, but is derived from the History of Islamic nation. Let me give a short history of Jihad in past 1400 years history of Islam: A. Best Period-1 : During the time of Our Prophet (peace be on him): Our prophet performed and showed each type of Jihad and how it is performed. 01. First 13 years of his prophetic life, which he spent in Makkah: During this time, Muslims were getting prepared for the Outer Jihad by doing Internal Jihad. They were absorbing teachings of Islam and learning perseverance and persistence and to control their minds and emotions. 02. First Five years after Migration: During first five years of his stay in Madina, prophet performed defensive Jihad and preserved and protected his small city of Madina from the attacks of both external and internal enemies. He fought the battles of Badr, OHUD and battle of Trenches during this phase. 03. Last Five years of his life: The prophet launched Offensive Jihad and conquered Makkah and whole of Arabia (using the minimum amount of force needed to do the task and keeping casualty figures to absolute minimum). When he breathed his last, the whole land of Arabia was cleansed of idolatry and united into one nation, first time in its 4000 years old history. B. Best Period-2 That was during life time of the companions of prophet and lasted close to 50 years after his death 04. During this time, it was offensive Jihad and Muslims subdued the two Superpowers of Persia and Byzantine and Islamic nation grew at a very fast pace. Within a quarter of a century whole of Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Syrian, Palestine, Jordan, Yemen etc. were added into Islamic nation. 05. During the time of MUAWIYA the Islamic nation extended from North Africa to the boundaries of China and Indian

Atheism

Humans

creation

[QUOTE who="F Singh"] Human beings weren't engendered from dust at all as islam claims. I don't think so dust has amino-acids and the basic compounds of DNA. You said it would have been gibberish to people of 7th century if Quran had used modern scientific revelation. On the hand, now its sounds unscientific in some aspect. This is in contradiction to muslims' claim that islam is religion for all time. If Quran failed to mention any modern scientific evidences, then there is no way for us to question. But rather it has scientific errors which it advocates strongly. Just for example, if Quran hadn't mentioned anything about creation of human beings, we rationalists wouldn't have questioned . Because in that case, Quran wouldn't have spoken anything true or false. But, that is not the case here. Here it promotes some irrational idea of human creation. Theory of evolution has flaws. But not completely a false theory. Creationalism seems to be far away from truth. You said that in future there maybe more scientific truths would come out and might falsify the current theories. Well, that is possible but not probable. Who knows what is the future. Maybe in future, there would be more scientific evidences against Quran. So, I think what you meant is anything could happen in favour islam in future. It may go in opposite way as well. 2. Sorry, space must have been created before earth at least with a time difference of one-trillionth second. It just a simple logic. By the way, Quran doesn't say they were created simultaneously. It rather says there was a day difference(Some say 1 day of Allah=1000 years) [/QUOTE]

Atheism

Religio ns

Survival

Will Atheism defeat religion by 2038? This is topic of this thread and a very interesting too, because someone has stick out his or her neck and made a definite "prediction" or "prophesy". It is easier to understand such things by past examples, I would try to do so. I would like to pose a different question: What happened to so called Socialism and Communism? A. Could any one say in 1960 s and 1970 s that "Communism and Socialism would be dead by 1990 s?: I think not even the "Most committed Capitalist" could make such a remark. In 60 s and 70 s the Socialism and Communism was the "Hot word". It was spreading like wild fire and new nations (mostly poor nations of Asia and Africa and Eastern Europe) were consumed by it. Murmuring against it in Hungary was quenched in One Day, Soft revolt against it in Chezslovakia was crushed in One Day. Same thing happened in the case of Poland and Solidarity in 1970 s. In UNO, the "Capitalist countries" were in minority and were only surviving thru Veto" Power. In books and lectures and seminars and debates, there was no way in which any one could prove that Capitalism was a better system than Socialism or Communism. B. What led to the so quick demise of the Socialism and / or Capitalism? If you ask "capitalists" they would say that USSR was "duped" to spend too much on arms in the arm race with USA and became bankrupt. Other people would give other reasons. According to me, the Socialism and Capitalism both had a deadly flaw that they were against basic human nature!! And any thing against Basic human nature can only be enforced by outside force and not by the will and heart of people. The moment this pressure is removed, people would revolt against it. That is how every country where Socialism or communism was practiced went under dictatorship and police and military brutality.

Christia nity

Jesus

proofs

A Strange Phenomenon While discussing issues with our Shielaa the Great and other Stalwarts and experts on Christianity, I found a very strange phenomenon. And that is "Bigger is the claim made on behalf of Jesus , Lesser is the information from the Lips of Jesus"!! May be it went over the head of many of you people, let me provide some clarifications. If you ask our Shielaa the Great and other experts, they would write pages upon pages, and even books on every aspect of their religion. They will explain in minutest details, How Adam and Eve sinned, how they were kicked out and how that sin got transferred to their sons and daughters. And then how God (unable to forgive the sin, because of some stupid law He made about sin to be expiated thru blood) had to send His own Begotten Son to earth. And do that God had to "interfere" with the sex life of a "Virgin" (to break the mysterious Sin-Transfer Cycle, in which when any male sperm, mingles with any female sperm, the sin gets transferred. However if one of the Sperm is from God (like that Higgins Boson type of thing), the sin stops transmitting, a very strange and grotesque picturisation). And then when the God' Own Child was born and then led to the cross, his blood (was any blood really spilled during the process I have to double check), the mysterious curse was broken. Now God "Could" forgive His servants (he "went around" that stupid law He had made) and so He abolished the Law and allowed people to live under grace. But that is not all. This Grace is not free or for every one. One MUST have to believe that Son of God died for his sins, otherwise there is no salvation for him / her. These are really great claims to make, and one would expect that Jesus might have to spend most of his "prophetic life" explaining these concepts to his people / his chosen disciples. But when we look at the "Great numbers of Scriptural Proofs submitted in support of these claims" we find very few from the lips of Jesus.

Islam

Life

Purpose

[QUOTE who="NT"] What then is the purpose of your life ? [/QUOTE] Ans. I can only quote some Quranic verses in this regard: 1. " O my Lord! Grant me that I may be grateful for Your favor, which You have bestowed upon me and upon both my parents, and that I may work righteousness such as which You approve; and be gracious to me in my offspring. Truly have I turned to You and truly do I submit (to You) in Islam" (46:15) 2. And Prayer of Prophet Joseph "O My Lord! You have indeed bestowed on me some power and taught me something of the interpretation of dreams, O You Creator of the heavens and earth! You are my protector in this world and in the hereafter, take my soul (at death) as one submitting to Your Will (as a Muslim) and unite me with the righteous" (12:101) 3. And prayer of prophet Abraham "O my Lord! Make me one who establishes regular prayers, and also (raise such) among my offspring. O our Lord! And accept my prayer. "O our Lord! Cover (us) with your Forgiveness, me and my parents and (all) believers on the Day that the reckoning will be established" (14:40-41). 4. "Guide us (or keep us) on the Right Path, the path of those on whom You Bestowed You Blessings and Grace, Not the path of those who earned Your wrath and those who went stray" (1:6-7) Can any one express it better?

Islam

Judaism

effect

[QUOTE who="Andre"] 01. I normally prefer a direct answer to a direct question. However, seeing that you do not respond as such, 02. I understand that you say that Islam is the original message from God to humankind and thus based on this, would qualify as best. 03. If that is your argument, then it is a false claim as it is obvious that Judaism precedes Islam. There is no record of Islam before Mohammad. 04. If you claim otherwise, some historic documentation confirming this and predating Mohammad would be welcomed. They must have kept some record? 05. If claims of corruption is offered, some proof would really be welcomed. Sorry Sir, history is not on your side. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. I am very happy to learn that you appreciate direct answers to direct questions. And I am sorry to hear that you consider that my replies are not direct. May be you will change your opinion after this post. 02. I did say that Islam is the name of "Original religion" which was sent to all prophets and it is the "Only" (not Best) religion acceptable to God on the Last Day (It is a Quranic statement and not mineMUQ). 03. Islam Before Prophet Mohammad: The problem is people do not understand the term Islam, they seem to think that all prophets spoke Arabic language and all lived in Arabia and talked to each other in Arabic language. No Sir, this is not what Islam means. Islam is a Qualitative Term, it means "Submission". When one surrenders oneself to One's Creator, then he or she is supposed to be in the "state of Islam". A. Revealed Religions: All revealed religions are based on revelation which Prophets of God received from Creator of Universe, and they and their followers

Misc.

Terroris m

Afghanist an

[QUOTE who="NB"] I never saw such cowards as I did in Afghanistan. I enjoyed taking out you coward muslims as you hid behind your women and children. You people have no honour or pride. You are nothing but cowardly sniveling little pieces of shit. The whole world wants to piss on your head you cowardly pieces of shit. I would re enlist in a minute to have the chance to blow some nappy headed dick head like you into the next world. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Did you see the last count of US and NATO's body count during past 11 eleven years of War in Afghanistan at the hand of those 'Cowards in Afghanistan"? 02. Do you recall that "Brave Russian Army" captured Afghanistan and reached Kabul in less than 24 hours However when they "withdrew peacefully" after 10 odd years they had lost more than 100,000 of their "Brave but ill armed soldiers" 03. And before that British captured and reached Kabul "without any noticeable resistance" from these 'Coward Afghans". However when they "peacefully tried to return back after their picnic" they found that Only One Soldier could reach back its base. Rest fell on the way. British learned their lesson the hard way, Russia learned their lesson Hard way. 04. USA should have taken the cue and would have stayed away from the temptationbut they thought if "they hunt in packs" they might be successful where others failed. But even after 11 years of occupation , the ground situation remains same. 05. What I am really surprised is the attitude of Britain. After learning their lessons earlier on, they came back!! May be they thought that by hiding in shadows of Mighty US soldiers, they would fare better. But you do not change the mind set of Afghan people. 06. And to say that Afghans are cowards is like some one who is

Islam

Beliefs

Objection

[QUOTE who="Adam"] 1. I believe yesterday you denied that Muhammad consummated the marriage to Aisha when she was a 9 year old child. This relationship is documented in many of your Islamic sources including Bukhari. Do you believe this? Yes or No. 2. "You people" is not me. I disagreed with the war in Iraq, and I disagree with the current war in Afghanistan. Hopefully Western troops will withdraw and Arab people can sort out their own problems. Lets see if they will be successful, or if they will continue to blame all their faults on the US and Israel. 3. Yes I no longer take religious things seriously, as I have come to the realisation that god, heaven, hell, angels, etc are imaginary, in exactly the same way that the gods and myths of ancient societies are imaginary. Where I live in the UK, 2000 years ago they worshiped a pantheon of Celtic and roman deities. Its a delusion. No doubt. I made a typing error. Should have typed "many". FYI I am a white British person, not a hindu. I was thinking wit? book of manu. lol [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Our prophets marriage with Lady Aiyesha: a. I did not deny our Prophet's marriage with Lady Aiyesha. That uncouth person said It is mentioned in Quran that our prophet had sex with a 9 year old girl. I only asked where it is mentioned in the Quran. When you say something, you should know what you are saying. b. As regards our prophets marriage with lady Aiyesha, there was nothing objectionable in it. It was performed with full approval of her parents, and no one in the contemporary society made any objection to it. c. he marriage was consummated when lady Aiyesha had reached the age of marriage. There was a three years waiting period so that she could attain that age.

Islam

Jews

Dealings

[QUOTE who="PH"] 01. MUQ, lets get real here, Muslims are not known for their warrior ability, and frankly they have proved time and time again to be cowards when ever confronted. 2. The Jews have kicked Muslim ass since 1947. It has actually been over 400 years since an Islamic majority army won a war, that is a 400 year losing streak. 3. The Indians have Kicked Muslim ass, and lets not forget Baghdad Ali taking about how he would drive the US into the sea in the "Mother of all Battles". 4. So threats of Muslim aggression is very laughable. Wake up to yourself you loser. [/QUOTE] Ans. You are accusing Muslims are not known for their Warrior Ability, are you. And please tell me Since when the Jews were known for their Warrior Abilities Were not the same Jews kicked and pushed around the whole of Europe from one country to another for so many past centuries? Where was their Warrior Ability then? Why those six million Jews Choose to die in Nazi Gas Chambers without showing their warrior ability? All their Super Man like Warrior Ability was discovered since 1947, when they armed to teeth with the help of their Newly found Christian Bosom Friends are persecuting the hapless Palestinians. I know Indians kicked Muslims, this is a historical fact, but did you forget, that Muslims ruled India for close to 1000 years!! Who had the Warrior abilities then? Hindus or Muslims? And Muslims at no stage in those 1000 years had majority status in India!! There are ups and downs in the history of every nation. And if world is Not terrified with Warrior abilities of Muslims, why is this 24 hour Non Stop Propaganda against Islam and Muslims? There are people with short memories like you, who only have

Islam

Non Muslim

Knowledg e

[QUOTE who="FS"] 01. Why do you want non-muslims to read Quran or gain knowledge of Islam? 02. Listen, nobody is interested in your religion. All we care is how do you behave. You cannot expect respect and the privileges that most of the muslim countries don't even think of giving to nonmuslims. 03. Honestly tell me what rights are given to non-muslims in the country that you live in? Nothing at all. But if some nations had banned burqa ,you would cry out loud as hell. 04. Muslims are despised not because of the religion they belong to, but their behavior towards non-muslim that comes out as an excuse of Islam. What excuse? 05. Christians can't build churches and preach Christianity in your land because Islam doesn't allow so. That is the silly reason you give. 06. When France says its constitution doesn't allow idea of wearing burqa in public, you get offended. This is the reason why the world condemns Muslims. You held your religion high(not a problem) and not allow others to have what they want and the reason you give is Islam. But when you receive any such obnoxious thing you start complaining. 07. You want everyone to look through eyes and not the other way round. If you are expecting favours from others, first learn to give some to others. 08. And don't try to preach Islam and try to convince why Islam is correct. No religion would be proved 100% correct if we analyze them rationally. [/QUOTE]

Islam

Women

Rights

[QUOTE who="Advocate"] 01. And how, exactly, are you such an expert on Western nations? 02. Saudi Arabia, with all its pretensions of morality, is little more than a hub for drugs and prostitution. 03. You can't really say it's any better than the next nation because they have the same problems: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_ou... 04. Again, you can't argue for the "purity" of the KSA because it's a repressive nation. And that includes women's' rights. Women shouldn't be held back, they aren't jus baby making machines; they are sentient people like you and me. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Same way you people have become "Expert" on Islamic way of life!! 02. I did not know that Saudi Arabia is a hub for drugs and prostitution. When I checked it last, it is a hub for all Muslims from all over the world, to come for pilgrimage. And I never spoke about Saudi Arabia in my post, I always talked about Islam and its teachings. Islam is not what Saudis do and say. It is Saudis that are judged as to how much they are following teachings of Islam. 03. Which nation does not have any problem, why do you expect Saudi Arabia or Saudis to be Ideal? 04. I never even mentioned the name of Saudi Arabia in my entire post, and for your info I am an Indian engineer working in Saudi Arabia. In Islam, women are not mere "baby making machines". They are active members of society. But their roles are different from men's. In Islam, women are treated as per the way Nature has created them, in your system, you put "Double burden" on women, the real sufferers are women themselves who have to share the double

Islam

Jihad

Classificat ion

Islamic Jihad and its stages: It seems the discussion has turned towards Jihad, and as usual most people are unaware of what is meant by Islamic Jihad, what are its types and forms and how it has been practiced in the past 1400 Islamic history. So I think it is time to clarify, certain points in this regard. I think our Extremist Hindus will call this as hogwash and as an apology, but my post is not addressed to them, but those who have thinking and reasoning powers. A. Jihad and its Qualification in Islam: 01. As I mentioned in Arabic the word Jihad means to struggle and to strive. And it is a very common word used in Arabic for every type of struggle and effort one makes. But in Quran the Jihad acceptable to Allah is which is in His way. 02. So the intention for Jihad must be to please Allah and to keep His Message Up, and not to have any other worldly motives, like winning land, exploiting other people and nations, to get benefit for ones tribe, nation, linguistic or ethnic group etc. If some one does Jihad with any of these motives, then it is not Islamic Jihad and not in the Cause of Allah. 02A. And if these motives are mixed along with the motive of Islamic Jihad, then depending upon the percentage of mixing, it would be that much deficient in the eyes of Allah. B. Jihad is not only Fighting and War: 3. Many people think that Islamic Jihad only means fighting and war, but this is a misconception. Jihad is performed with every thing and every gift which is given by Allah to every Muslim. 4. Jihad is done by words of mouth, by pen, by money and if the time comes with Swords and guns also. 5. It is like a person wants to see the name and message of Allah to prevail above name and message of every thing else, so he uses every means that are available to him. Fighting and Wars are only the last stage and should be used when all other methods fail. 6. And when Muslims go to fight, they are not allowed to cause mischief to the land, making general destruction and go on killing spree and kill women, children, old people, destroy the religious places of other nations and religion etc. Muslim army has to use extreme care and follow Islamic Moral code during the wars. No crime should go unpunished if proved

Islam

Jihad

Stages

Stages of these Jihad in the past 1400 years history of Islam: Just to show that what I have written is not from my own mind, but is derived from the History of Islamic nation. Let me give a short history of Jihad in past 1400 years history of Islam: A. Best Period-1 : During the time of Our Prophet (peace be on him): Our prophet performed and showed each type of Jihad and how it is performed. 01. First 13 years of his prophetic life, which he spent in Makkah: During this time, Muslims were getting prepared for the Outer Jihad by doing Internal Jihad. They were absorbing teachings of Islam and learning perseverance and persistence and to control their minds and emotions. 02. First Five years after Migration: During first five years of his stay in Madina, prophet performed defensive Jihad and preserved and protected his small city of Madina from the attacks of both external and internal enemies. He fought the battles of Badr, OHUD and battle of Trenches during this phase. 03. Last Five years of his life: The prophet launched Offensive Jihad and conquered Makkah and whole of Arabia (using the minimum amount of force needed to do the task and keeping casualty figures to absolute minimum). When he breathed his last, the whole land of Arabia was cleansed of idolatry and united into one nation, first time in its 4000 years old history. B. Best Period-2 That was during life time of the companions of prophet and lasted close to 50 years after his death 04. During this time, it was offensive Jihad and Muslims subdued the two Superpowers of Persia and Byzantine and Islamic nation grew at a very fast pace. Within a quarter of a century whole of Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Syrian, Palestine, Jordan, Yemen etc. were added into Islamic nation. 05. During the time of MUAWIYA the Islamic nation extended from North Africa to the boundaries of China and Indian

Islam

Calande r

Reason

[QUOTE who="P Hall"] 01. I am curious as to why you think the adoption by Muslims of the Islamic Lunar Calendar is scientific? The Julian Calendar was already 200 years old when Islam was founded and we all know a solar calendar is far more accurate than a Luna calendar. So your example is flawed logic. Your statement that Islam's adoption of a Luna Calendar, when a more accurate and reliable solar calendar was already in existence, is showing how backward Islam was even at its origin. 02. Also your claim that the crescent moon, which seems to be dominant on many Islamic national flags and adorns the top of many many Mosques, flags and other Islamic symbols, is NOT the representation of the pagan moon-god Allah; is equally lame. 03. The Cross is a symbol of Christians, it is logical that Muslims would adopt the symbol of their moon-god to counter the Christians. The adoption of a out dated Luna calendar is further evidence to support the assertion that early Muslims were worshipping their moon-god Allah. You seem to dance around the obvious, and make claims that you leave unsupported by any fact or even basic logic! [/QUOTE] Ans. So you think Solar Calendar is "More scientific"? Do you? a. Dont you know that MOST nations use Lunar Calendar to fix their religious festivals? (I know Hindus, Muslims and Jews still do it). b. And do you know how much people have played with Solar calendar over the ages? The dates of all events have been muggled up in Western History? So many blocks of dates are missing from the history pages? c. It is only in Islamic Calendar that not a single day is missed since its inception!! d. It is lunar Calendar that corrects all errors and by next moon, the dates come back to be corrected automatically, in Solar Calendar, you do not know the change, till so many weeks are passed. e. And Lunar Calendar is one suited for a Universal religion like Islam where fasts and prayers are practiced by every nation. Imagine

Jews

Isreal

Survival

[QUOTE who="TEE"] 01. MUQ- yes israel has lost many battles and wars. in the bible GOD fortold their victories and defeats. 02. GOD punished them for 2000 YEARS! .. 03. ever since israel became a nation in 1949 they have been through many wars. in fact they were raged war upon a week 04. almost every country in the middle east has raged war against them even in a combined effort yet they were victorious everytime. 05. the land that was givin to israel was barren desert. a wasteland that nobody wanted. mark twain even wrote about how desolate and depressing the land was. yet the israelis brought it to life. 06. there has been no other ethnic group in the world that has suffered those most horrific and inhumane treatment 07. you say they have to answer for the crimes for the past 60 years? HA! pay close attention to what happens in gaza. i will make you a believer.. [/QUOTE] Ans. It seems you are 'enslaved' by the Might of Isreal, unless you be a Jew, I find your post as the response from some one who is brainwashed totally. Let me put brief comments on your posts. 01. You said that Isreal lost many wars and battles and they just happened "because they were foretold in the Bible"? Is that the reason? Does not Bible give the reason why will they win the war and why they will loose the war? Bible says that they will win the wars, when they are on the path of truth and justice and walking in the ways of God and they will loose the wars and battles when they rebel against God. Now if we find that Jews are winning the wars and battles, while "Not following the ways and paths of God", it means that this is not a thing with which God is Happy about. It is a severe warning to them from God 2. The Isreal were defeated and taken into captivity, because they rebelled from God and killed many prophets of God and started

Misc.

Marriag e

Realtionsh ip

[QUOTE who="Advocate"] 01. You can't really make a true comparison between having a relationship and cheating on your spouse, you know. Having a girl/boyfriend is simply a step in a relationship after friendship, and before commitment. 02. Besides, cheaters don't define the rest of the world's population that has a girl/boyfriend. And who said that having a relationship before marriage always includes sex? Maybe people cuddle, maybe people do heavy petting, maybe people just kiss, and others are celibate before marriage. 03. It's not the concept of a relationship that is bad, it's stupid people who don't know how to commit. That's what cheating is. Dating is a healthy social concept. In fact, my second steady girlfriend is now my wife and we have two lovely children together~ PS -- stuff can spontaneously combust anyways. Trust me on this. This happened to one of my compost piles because we hadn't aerated it properly. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. When you take a first wrong step that is the starting point of deviation. How far you go astray depends on how much you follow on the wrong way. 02. It is beauty of Islam that it removes the temptation from the beginning itself, so there would be no future complications at a later stage. 03. In Western system (and all other man made systems for that matter) they place every temptation in front of people, and THEN expect them to walk in the straight way. 04. There are gambling joints, there are musical parties, there are bars, dancing , free mixing of sexes, alcohol flowing like water, there are strip tease joints, live shows and every other way to "trip" a normal human being. And then they boast 'See I did not get affected by all these" and "I am still as pure as snow" May be you are, but what about 99 others who have fallen prey to the temptations? 05. The "Rules and Laws" are made in the overall interest of society

Islam

Beliefs

Reason

[QUOTE who="Adam"] 01. You can see that the other world religions are wrong and delusional. They think exactly the same way as you do, about Islam. 02. To an outsider, magical stories of angels, and stories borrowed from Jewish mythology seem silly and superstitious. 03. For example Mohammed went on a night flight on a winged horse to heaven. They is plain ridiculous to those of us outside of the Muslim bubble. There are many more examples like this. 04. The reality is that these magical stories are no more than myths. The products of active human imagination. Heaven and hell, witches, gods accompanied by pantheons of angels and demons, jinn, fairies, dragons, vampires, and other mythical creatures, are completely imaginary. That is the reality. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. I did not say that the other world religions are wrong and delusional. I said most of the world's major religions started rightly when preached by their prophets but they were latter changed and corrupted by their followers. Any one who is seeker of truth, will agree to my statement. Of course people of other religions make the same claim about Islam, a prudent man, therefore should not just decide based on mere claims. He or she should analyze the claims of both of them and after analysis whichever 's claim he or she finds true should accept it. Islam does not force any one to its faith, it wants people to think and study and analyze and then decide for himself or herself the path. It is THIS CHOICE that he or she shall be answerable to their creator in the hereafter. How and Why they reached this conclusion. 02. Why the story of angels and demons should look "magical or silly or superstitious" to you? Have you found out ALL THAT EXISTS in this Universe? If you have no real knowledge about them the best thing is to keep quite and believe on what is revealed from the Creator of the universe, to His Rightly appointed Apostles and Messengers. 03. How our prophet went to heavens is exactly not known. The mount "appeared" to him like a horse. The Lord did not want him to

Islam

Christia nity

Influence

[QUOTE who="Adam"] 01. I may surprise you in that I in small part agree. Islam from what I know is more clear and straight forward that Christianity. I view it as Unitarianism, a more simple form of belief. That doesnt however mean that its true. 02. You face the same problems that Christians do. i.e. God does not answer prayers. God has not written a holy book. And God has not spoken through any prophets. 03. I can expect your defense mechanism to kick in at this point. But understand that we here are absolute infidels. Allah is no more real to us than fairies living at the bottom of my garden. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Thank you for agreeing that Islam is more clear and straight forward than Christianity. It is like Unitarian branch of Christianity. But why should you feel that religion has to be complicated and philosophical like they made Christianity? I agree that every thing simple and reasonably might not be true, for truth we need proofs and there are enough proofs in our scripture to satisfy any enquiring mind. 02. God does not answer prayers is not correct, but how He answers is not clear to us. According to Islamic teachings, God hears sincere prayers from every one (Muslim or Non Muslim alike) and He dispenses each prayer with following: a. Either give what the human asked for (if it be good in long term or short term, because many times humans ask for things they do not know. Like Children asking from their parents many things which might look very attractive to them, but the parents feel it is not good or beneficial to them in short and long term) b. Or give an equivalent thing in place of one asked for. c. Or to remove some misfortune or calamity that was to befall the individual d. Or o store that prayer and dispense it on the Last Day (this is only for those who have true faith and sincerely follow prophets of God)

Islam

Christia nity

Borrowin g

[QUOTE who="NT"] 01. Hello MUQ, if as you say Islam is 'perfect', why is there a need to modernize Islam as you have described. Seeing Muslims throughout the world have to understand Arabic to fully understand the Quran ,wouldn't they too be Arabic in a spiritual sense seeing they look upon the valley of Mecca as their spiritual home ? 02. If Islam is as perfect as you say, how did Christianity get a foot in the doorway within Arabic society as we read of them being persecuted by Muslims in countries like Indonesia and Egypt ? 03. When god came to me I wasn't asked of what religion I be, instead I was inferred with knowledge that is outside the square. What does this say to you ? [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Good Muslim and Arabic: It is not necessary for a good Muslim to be very proficient in Arabic language. It is needed for those who want to become Scholars in Islam and want to have in depth study of Islam. Allah does not put more weight on any one more than he or she can bear. So for common person, he or she should know as much Arabic as needed for prayers and creed of Islam. For understanding they can read the translation and commentaries of Quran and sayings of Prophet, which are translated and available in all Modern languages. It is like different standards we have in our education system, we have Primary Education, Intermediate, University and Doctorate. No one expects every one to become Post Graduate or Doctors. But no Primary educated person should pose as Doctor and issue Guidelines. 02. Islam versus Christianity in Arabic lands: You have no sense of history of Christianity and Islam in Arab lands. Our prophet was born in 571 CE and he declared his mission in 611 CE. By that time Christianity was Well established in Egypt, Syria,

Christia nity

Trinity

Logic

[QUOTE who="N4"] 01. ..Well , Christians believe Jesus is Divine ...One God in three Persons ...our humans minds will always have difficulty with His nature.. You "avoided".. "Can an Arab Muslim ..be Mawali ...it means former slave...per "MUQ"..???" [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Yes I know that Pauline Christians believe that Jesus is Divine and that God has a Triune nature. And no one can understand or explain it. You forget to mention that it is such a unreasonable and irrational idea that you cannot explain it and cannot understand it. (Something which is beyond our capabilities and some thing which is unreasonable and illogical are two different things, mind you) They are entitled to have any belief system they want. a. But let me remind you that Jesus never knew that God had a Triune Nature and that he was Divine. b. And Moses did not know that God has a Triune Nature and that God is already having a begotten son named Jesus. c. And David did not know that God has a Triune Nature and that God is already having a begotten son named Jesus. d. And Abraham did not know that God has a Triune Nature and that God is already having a begotten son named Jesus. e. And Noah did not know that God has a Triune Nature and that God is already having a begotten son named Jesus. f. And Adam did not know that God has a Triune Nature and that God is already having a begotten son named Jesus. And NONE of the Jewish prophets knew that God has a Triune Nature and has a Begotten Son named Jesus. g. And Last and Final Prophet also did not know that God has a Triune Nature and that God is already having a begotten son named Jesus. So we are of much firmer ground than Pauline Christians, who only

Misc.

Women

Relationsh ip

[QUOTE who="H Sandy"] What really puzzles me is their definition of "ethics." Is there more to these stories? Is sexual misconduct just a cover-up for more extreme unethical behavior?? A wise mind should try to connect the dots on these stories. What's the whole picture? [/QUOTE] Ans. My question is that when there is "freedom to choose partners" and it is no "crime" for any man and women to have sex with mutual consent..what "crimes" these people did so that they had to resign? It shows that people 'expect" their Leaders and their Presidents and Prime Ministers and people on high posts to set a "better moral example" than ordinary citizens. They would not elect any one with a soiled reputation and even if he has been elected, if he does any misconduct on sexual ground.he has to resign. Yet and Yet, they have all those scandalous stories about prophets of God doing all those immoral acts (including incest) and God did not do any thing. He still continued with these people as Prophets of God. That was my point of posting these stories.

Islam

Slavery

Logic

[QUOTE who="Deedat"] Dear Qidwai Sahib 1.(a)Your statement agrees with Islamic scholars that Mawaalis were the exploits of war booty. There is no honor to be captured and be a slave in ANY WAR . (b)In Islam it is not a dishonor to own a slave but it is a humiliation for a slave especially for a girl/woman slave who can be used for pleasure whenever the master wants. (c)there is no such example in Islam that Caliphs were having slave women as their mothers. (d)yes there was a dynasty in India whose ruler were slaves of the earlier rulers, do you agree with what these so called slaves rulers didas the very founder of this dynasty was passive homosexual for the pleasure of his master. (e) It may or may be not because Islamic historians are not sure about it. (f)There were many cases in Islam, s golden past where one would fail to recognize who is master and who is salve as worthless and confusingif it was true then why did not Muslims let Dhimmis wear same cloths [as the Dhimmis were paying Islamic tax for being an inferior human being and were feeling subjugated {as Quran sheriff demands}] Dear bother it is always helpful if we are truthful [/QUOTE] Ans. Janab Deedat Sahib 01. I know , no one likes to discuss the subject of slavery. But it is of fundamental importance, it is an economic issue and not a religious issue? Let us picturised the scenario, the two armies face each other and after the fight, one army is defeated and many of its members are captured in the field, what would you do to them? a. Exchange them with your own prisoners taken by enemy? b. Kill them all? c. Take Ransom for them and free them when you get the ransom? d. Put them in prison, and let YOUR people feed and cloth

Islam

Prophet

Importanc e

[QUOTE who="Dragnet"] 01. So in what sense the true concept of God is being propagated by Islam? Islam always stresses that just belief in God himself is not enough, but the belief that Mohammad is the final messenger is also a prerequisite. 02. If people of other religions expound on a God who is formless, omnipresent and all powerful but without the muslim sounding name Allah and without the tag of Mohammad as messenger attached to it, will you accept such a God? If not, in what respect is Allah qualitatively different from that God? [/QUOTE] Ans. You have answered a very good Question and I am very thankful to you for asking it. It is these Fundamental Questions that make my day!! You have posed many questions, I would try to answer them in logical manner, please feel free to ask clarifications on any thing which is not clear to you. A. What is the purpose of religion? This is a question which many people do not understand properly and that is the reason of so much tension and mutual mistrust between followers of different so called religions. In a nutshell religion is to do your duty to your Creator and do your duty to your fellow humans. This is what religion is all about. B. How humans get instructions about what are their duties? That is where the concept of Prophethood comes. It is a way of God to send His Guidance thru His chosen prophets. People might have different thinkings about what should be the most appropriate way, but sending guidance thru prophets is what God chose and that is way it is going to stay. C. Denying Prophets is in fact denying the Authority of God: If some one rejects any prophet of God, it shows that he or she challenges the Authority of God, or tries to say to God, why did

Islam

Allah

origin

[QUOTE who="Keith"] MUQ 01. Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? 02. Was the title "al-ilah" (the god) used of the Moon-god? 03. Was the crescent moon an ancient pagan symbol of the Moongod throughout the ancient world? [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Arabs in their pagan days might have erected temples for the worship of sun, moon, stars and God knows which of the thousands of things they worshipped. But after the advent of Islam. All these false gods vanished and never to return to the Arabian soil. 02. Do not be misguided or confused, Allah or Al-ilah has NOTHING to do with any moon god or son god or any star god. Arabs KNEW their Allah even during their Pagan days and NEVER EVER confused it with any other of their minor gods 03. To my knowledge Crescent Moon was not the symbol of moon worship and to my knowledge Crescent Moon is not an Islamic Symbol per see. It got its usage to counter the symbol of cross which was displayed every where in Christendom, like Red Cross, and Crosses on their Military banners and ranks and legions. Since Islamic calendar months start with the Crescent Moon, some people started using it on flags and posts and letter heads and it became a common usage. It has no sanctity in religious term and it is not an islamic symbol. In Quran it is mentioned They ask you regarding the New Moons, say they are but signs to mark fixed periods of times in (the affairs of) men. And for Pilgrimage. (2:189) PS: Please see the scientific approach of Quran 1400 years back!! No one can find a fault in this statement after 1400 years and till the End of Time!!

Hindu

Extremi sts

reason

[QUOTE who="Destroyer"] 01. Just a question : why would any HINDU even if he is non extremist call god as ALLAH ?i think kanti magazine is a fraud magazine and all the stories put up there are concocted 02. THE HINDUS CAN NEVER BE NON EXTREMIST,THEY ARE CNDITIONED 4M BIRTH TO HATE MUSLIMS AND HATE EVRYTHNG NON-HINDU AND LOGICAL A NON-EXTREMIST HINDU IS A DEAD HINDU !! [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Your post show that you are allergic to Arabic language. Same thing can be called differently in different language. For example, Water is called JAL in Hindi and Sanskrit, it is called PANI in Urdu, it is called AAB in Persian, and MAA in Arabic. So why would be allergic to Arabic MAA when it is same thing as Hindi JAL? Allah is the Sole Creator and Sustainer and Cherisher of this Universe and He is known by different names in different language. He is what is known as YHWH and ELOHIM in Hebrew. He is what is known as God (with Capital G) in English He is what is known as DEUS in French and other European language. He is what is knows as KHUDA and PAR WARDIGAR in Persian. And He is what is knows as ISHWAR and PARMESHWAR in Hindi and Sanskrit. And He is what is known as Allah in Arabic. So why Hindus should be allergic to this Arabic word Allah, it only shows their ignorance and narrowness of mind and hearts. 02. I do not agree with you that EVERY Hindu is an Extremist Hindu. Most of Hindus are peace loving and very tolerant towards other religions.

Islam

Christia nity

Dealings

[QUOTE who="Bufford"] In other words, YOUR "Jesus," the one written about in the Qur'an, never said, and never would have said: "But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is Gods throne; or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. All you need to say is simply Yes or No; anything beyond this comes from the evil one." Put another way, Mohammad called "biblical" Jesus a liar. [/QUOTE] Ans. I do not find any problem in that quotation from Jesus. He might have said it or might not have said it, I am not sure (because NONE of the existing Gospels are traceable to Jesus). But the reported statement has nothing against Quran. So we keep Quite on this. Our prophet NEVER called Jesus a liar and no Muslim worth its salt, would ever Dare to call Jesus a liar, or for that matter ANY prophet of God a liar.

Islam

Prophet

Justificati on

[QUOTE who="Advocate"] 1. Prophets are not necessarily the embodiments of leadership, and "selection" by a deity is an extremely arbitrary process. What's tonsay one is qualified until one is chosen? Ine can really never know! And there's quite a reason that prophets have stopped popping up nowadays~ 02. How exactly will the Quran introduce me any further to humanity if I can do the same by reading any Aztec codex or the Tibetan Book of the Dead? Better yet, why will a book replace observation of human behaviour? 3. Should the question of existence really be correlated to democracy? Democracy didn't start until the Ancient Greeks, and even then that's not too long ago. Can the existence of human life really solve the question of democracy rather than the observance of daily life around us, the absorption of knowledge from past examples and contemporary resources? [/QUOTE] Ans. 1. There is basic defect in your understanding the role and duties of a prophet. That is why you should concentrate on it. Prophets are the medium thru which God sends His Guidance to human kind and they are Role Models for their people. And Prophets are not a position that one can attain with their Knowledge or Devotion or Sincerity. A Prophet is CHOSEN by God since their BIRTH. And God KNOWS who are worthy of that High Status. They are as perfect humans as humanly possible, the writers of Books of Bible have very superficial and very wrong concepts of office of Prophethood, that is why they wrote whatever came into their mind. You say you have little interest in religion, it is mostly because of these false tales of Past Prophets which cause people to stay away from religion. If you study Quran, you will find a different world altogether, the concept of prophet, the highest standard to which they are raised and showering of praises and honors of them induce into you a respect for Prophets and regards for the office of prophet hood.

Islam

Makkah

Existence

[QUOTE who="Casual"] 01. Ok. I provided a summary re Makkah did not exist before 150 ad. You said where is the facts and cut and paste 4 large boilerplates of Quran mumbo (none factual). So i then provided 9 pages, one page at a time of the most comprehensive, accurate and evidence based information that Makkah did not exist until 150 ad. Then detailed appendix and supporting references. Then a simple set of questions yes or no. So I dont think you can continue to avoid the question. Which is to this context. You claim Abraham visited Makkah and built the Kaaba, Hagar & Ishmael went there, the black stone & Kaaba are pre Jesus etc. But Makkah was not established until 150ad and the very first structure of the now Kaaba was not built until 450 ad. Do you or do you not accept the overwhelming historical and archeological evidence provided to you that Makkah did not exist until 150ad when it was first established as a trading station by Yemenites. Yes or No? [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. There is no proof in your post that Makkah did not exist before 150 CE, if you call your assumptions and surmises as proofs, then I can do nothing about it. 02. Prophet Abraham visited Makkah and settled Hagar and Ishmael BEFORE there was any city of Makkah. It was AFTER he settled part of his family there and the well of ZAMZAM burst out under the feet of Infant Ishmael, that the city of Makkah got established. 03. Kaaba was built many years later jointly by Abraham and Ishmael (when Ishmael grew to be a fully grown man) jointly 04. I do not know from where you get the COMPLETE life history of Abraham and ALL THE TRAVELS he made during his life time? 05. Come with PROOFS for these basic questions if you want to CONTRADICT what God Almighty revealed in His Book and what the Last and Final Messenger of God told in authentic and well preserved Hadiths. 06. These renderings by so called scholars and your compilation in a

Islam

Prophet

Violence

[QUOTE who="Liberty"] I am actually reading it cover to cover my third time now. This time I am really shocked at all the bloody violence commanded by the prophet. It is sickening that this is forced upon people by threat of death in your hellish corner of the world. Yes indeed the prophet was an ignorant beast more interested in conquering and murdering innocent people than anything else. Battle after battle, murder after murder rape after rape this is the legacy of the prophet Muhammad. So is it any wonder that followers of Islam follow in his blood thirsty footsteps? [/QUOTE] Ans. Our Prophet and the Jews of BANI QURAIZA: I think every time you hear the name of BANI QURAZAH, your eyes are filled with tears and they roll down on your cheeks (even if they be crocodiles tears!!). Your weeping and lamenting for those Jews slain never seems to stop, so there is time coming for reality checks. Please find me answers to the following Simple Questions: a. Who wrote the laws of war written in the Book of Deuteronomy Chapter 20? b. Did not Moses himself used this law on his enemies? c. Did not Joshua and David and other Jewish prophets used it against their enemies? d. So why should Jews complain if some one uses their own laws on him? e. Do you feel that there should be a separate law for Jews and a separate law for other people? f. Why our prophet did not use that law on BANI QAINUQAH, another Jewish tribe living in Madina? g. Why our prophet did not use that law on BANI NADHEER, another Jewish Tribe living in Madina? h. Why our prophet did not use that law on Jews of KHAIBAR?

Islam

Quran

Authority

[QUOTE who="Advocate"] 1. How big are the deviations from the previous scriptures exactly? 2. How can you be sure that one single book automatically holds the "truth" without bothering to even check the other versions of the "truth" out there? 3. I didn't say that the US or the Scandinavian nations would last forever; .ason to really be indifferent at all! 4. How exactly are those "limits" laid down? Surely you cannot vouch for an oligarchy or, god forbid, a totalitarian dictatorship? Precisely what helps to distinguish ourselves as humans is our capacity to make higher choices! Where to live, what to study, when to do certain things -- carry on with their own lives. [/QUOTE] Ans. 1. I can provide you some hints, of the mistakes and deviations in the previous scriptures: a. All the stories in which Prophets of God are shown in scandalous acts are fabricated like: - Noah drank wine and lay naked in tent and then cursed the wrong guy. - In which Abraham and Isaac are telling lies to say that their wives are their sister. And the scandals that are mentioned about Jacob. - In which Prophet Lot is accused of having sex with his two daughters, - In which Prophet Aaron is accused of making Golden Calf and worshipping it. - In which Prophet David is accused of committing adultery with the wife of another man and then getting him killed by deceit. - In Which Prophet Solomon is accused of worshipping false gods in his old age and constructing temples for these false gods. There are many such stories in the books of Bible where the personal character of Genuine Prophets of God is maligned and they are accused of committing acts which are against the High Office of prophet hood which they hold.

Jews

Messian ic

existence

[QUOTE who="TJM"] There is no such thing as a Messianic Jew. The Law of Moses doesn't count. Jesus instituted the NEW Covenant, to love. Cornelius was the first Gentile to join the 1st century christians. [/QUOTE] Ans. You got a lot of check to say that Laws of Moses do not count, Jesus said any one who breaks the least of these commandments or ask people to do so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven.. And you stand here saying that laws of Moses do not count. It was idea of St. Paul that Jesus brought a New Covenant that superseded the old one. Do not think that St. Paul and Jesus were on the same frequency!! It is Messianic Jews who are real Jews and they are also the Real Christians.

Hindu

Islam

Dealings

[QUOTE who="Deedat"] Dear Qidwai Sahib You dont have complete knowledge of other religions; it is a religious duty of followers of those religions. Why people will do it on their own?.. they do it because they are inspired by their religions. For example lets take Sikhism: it is a religious duty of every Sikh to give 10% of his earnings as charity to people who are needy irrespective of recipients religion or beliefs, it is known as Dasvand. Apart from this Sikh is advised to share .. [/QUOTE] Ans. Dear Brother Deedat Sahib. 01. One is NOT REQUIRED to have full depth and complete study of thousands of religions floating around in the world, otherwise one's life would be fully consumed before he or she can speak a single word! That is why we only ask some basic questions and ask their followers to answer these: a. What are your prophets? b. What are your Basic Scriptures? c. Who wrote them and how are they preserved over these long centuries? People should answer these questions with what best proofs they have, they should not start speaking in "tangent language" and start using some different standards for their own religion and another for other people. 02. Quran came to join people and not separate people. It first recognized that God did send prophets and books to all nations of the world and that all those prophets taught the same message and the same religion which is called Islam (i.e. submit yourself to your God and Creator and do not worship false gods and idols and things which your own hands create). The earlier prophets were sent for a specific country and for a specific time period. 03. It was in God's plan to send a Universal message and a Universal book at some point in history when the Human Civilization has reached to a certain level of maturity. And for that reason God made

Islam

Jesus

Crucifixio n

[QUOTE who="Andre"] Hi MUQ. Briefly explain what happened (according to the Quran) to Jesus' at his crucifixion. Is there any evidence outside of the Quran that can be offered as evidence that Jesus was not crucified/did not die - such as reputable historians? You see, if Jesus did not die on the cross, the message of Bible is useless. Even if that is the case, the Quran is still untrue, as the god that the Quran reveals is by his own admission a liar - telling the people that they must accept the Injeel. To put it more plainly, the Injeel and the Quran differ on a number of issues, with the crucifixion being critical- so the Bible contain lies and thus the Quran. If the Bible contain some lies, it cannot be trusted in anything. Do you believe a person that has lied to you on important issues - such as your eternal destiny? But it has a number of other serious implications as well: 1) Your prophet Jesus is a liar. (Mat 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to show unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again But even more serious, the reason Jesus died is for your sins - taking it upon himself, also according to the prophets: If He did not die, you are still in your sin and in jeopardy of hell. Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. So my friend, you miss the crucial part of the Injeel. If there is a Satan, he would want you to disbelieve this very important point. [/QUOTE] Ans.

Hindu

Beliefs

Authentici ty

[QUOTE who="Vaydheya"] 1-- MUQ miyan , your memory has been eclipsed by effect of age . At least you are about to cross 60 means aap satthiya gaye ho . You have forgotten that VALMIKI was the contemporary of Lord Ram hence his RAMAYAN was also the evidence of existence of Lord Ram . 2-- In the same way Vedvyas was the contemporary of Lord Krishna . 3-- Teachings of Lord Budhha are present in TRIPITIKAS and these were scripted under the observation of Anand who was dearest pupil of Lord Buddha and was witness of all speeches of Lord Buddha . 4-- Guru Nanak to Guru Govind Singh --- Which type of proof do you want about their ' spiritual greatness '? PS : How can you know that Lord Ram or Lord Krishna or Lord Buddha were great or not ? At least you are a hatemonger....or in other words -- you are a Muhammadan . You questioned on Guru Nanak and i ask to you what is the proof that Muhammad was the prophet of God while his many works are more heinous then any evil person such as rape with 9 year old baby girl and rape with his own daughter in law Jainab . [/QUOTE] Ans. 1. So Lord VALMIKI was a contemporary of Lord Ram, that makes only one Person. The God comes down to earth in human form to present Himself as role model for billions of Indians for thousands of years and we have only ONE eyewitness account? How are you SURE that Lord VALMILKI wrote the truth? Why cant he be like one of those Court Poets and historians who only sing praises for their kings and rulers? Why no one else in whole India wrote about Ram? And how the original manuscript of VALMIKI was protected and preserved thru out these centuries? These are not mere idle questions, these are serious questions that need to be answered. Mere Guess work and assumptions donot work here. 2. What I wrote about Lord Ram and VALMIKI is also applicable for Lord Krishna and VEDVYAS. God comes another time to India in human form and we have only one Eyewitness account?

Islam

Animal

Sacrifice

[QUOTE who="Deedat"] Dear Qidwai Sahib (I always leave what is not rational and keeping in view of your Urdu lessons I will write your name with Q instead of K ) Brother you said that I have posed many questions.I just replied to what you wrote and you asked who will answer it .so lets just take point no 1.how can sacrificing an animal is one of the good deeds along with other good deeds? Im not sure what you count as good or bad!! Does that animal is given fair chance to defend itself? How can; while killing an animal the intention can be piety? Who gives this reward for sacrificing an animal and what is the reward? And also why that reward is not given if it is merely a show of boasting (though an animal is still sacrificed/killed in that show, what is the fault of that animal)? [/QUOTE] Ans. Janab Deedat Sahib. You have raised certain questions, which are of fundamental importance. So let me try to answer them in brief, because these threads are not the place for lengthy discussions. A. How sacrificing an animal is an act of piety? 1. Let me ask, why spending any thing in charity is an act of piety? 2. The purpose of every religion is to express their love to God our Creator. And that love should be more than the love of everything else. 3. The material wealth is one such thing whose love is built into human psyche, therefore if we Love God our Creator, we must spend from these wealth to show that we love God more than these material things. That is why in every religious system, there is insistence on people sending their material wealth in act of charity. 4. The material wealth comes in many forms, it could be in form of Gold, or Silver, it could be in form of coins or currency notes, and it could be in form of agriculture and fruits and in form of trade goods.. And in Islam there are rules to spend on charity for all these wealth.

Islam

Violenc e

Raeson

[QUOTE who="TI"] 01. Theoretically on paper, like communism the system of islam looks appealing in some of its vindications. 02. But on practical level, a logical rational situation; the tattered countries that consider themselves houses of islam are embroiled in mass genocides over . 03. The west was once in this government state... around 200-300 years ago! 04. Now before you think I am pulling these out of thin air. .. Why are muslims are coming to the west 05. As an engineer, surely you could puts some realism in perspective and realise that what looks pretty and compact on paper is un-orderly and technical. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. It is strange that you compare islam with Communism. Islam is being established as a way of life for more than 1400 years. And Communism failed as a practical way of life in mere 70 odd years. 02. For close to 1000 years islam has been the ruling system of the world. Its empire stretched from one part of the world to another. Muslims were leading in education, in science, in engineering, in philosophy , in medicine and in almost every branch of education. 03. that was the time when Europe was engulfed in deep darkness and the quality of life as well as their standard of education, their medicine system and every thing was just plain barbaric. 04. Then some 400 or 500 years back, the Europe started blinking, and started to take early walking steps, the impetus was given by the Muslim rule in Spain which was the learning Capital of Europe on those days. 05. When Europe started awakening, Muslims started to go to sleep and slowly and slowly, European nations came to forefront and Muslim nations had a decline. The invention of Steam Power was the stage where the Muslims were left behind European nations. 06. So any one who has full view of world history and its development will not just pooh pooh the contribution of islam and

Atheism

God

Existence

[QUOTE who="HP"] MUQ, 01. proof of what? I don't think anybody have proof either the existence of God, or religion. 02. We just live believing there is some power out there that control and made the world. I go from moral principle part and I disagree anybody against others, regardless of anything. Now don't get me wrong, I am against people too but try to not. Try to change my way of thinking. Become a better human that God wants. Those people that are against muslims really do not the religion well or was thought to believe islam is wrong and they stick to that part. I get off that religious hole people or families want to put me in and got free from religious cult lol. Most of you might say, you are right but the proof is not really proof but someone writing lol. just saying. [/QUOTE] Ans. 1. Proof of God and His existence: a. Many people who think that they are very smart and very reasonable and very logical when they ask religious people to "show them where is their God". While in reality they are very childish. b. The proof for existence of God is not Physical proof but a proof thru reason and logic. It is not that God cannot be seen, but it is because of limitation of our eyes that we cannot see Him!! And one who analyzes how limited is our eyes and its vision would have least doubt to acknowledge that "if we cannot see anything, that does not mean it does not really exist". c. The same goes for our scientific and electronic equipment and everything, they can detect the presence of material things and material forces, but any thing which is not made of material, they are incapable of detecting it. Therefore we cannot say that if anything is not detected by our Scientific Gadgets it does not really exist. d. So the proof of presence of God is hidden in the exploration and analysis of the Universe and all that is available with us. The more

Islam

Judaism

Relations

[QUOTE who="GM"] 1. I see. Divine Law is set in stone like the 10 Commandments from Moses. Would you say any transgression of Islamic Law should be punished by sending that person to be judged by their Creator? 2. One other question, if I may. If Abraham is the foundation of Judaism, which then led to Jesus, the Messiah for Christianity but a prophet in Islam, which then led to Mohammed the Last Prophet, did not the Divine Laws change? The basic ones, murder, lying (unless you lie in God's name, of course), stealing, etc are still there in all three religions. So why should I accept Islam when it's a Divine Law change from Judaism? [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. No, Islamic law is not engraved on stone like the 10 commandments of Moses. It is set in the verses of Quran and teachings of our prophet. Every transgression of islamic law is not punishable by death. It is the law itself which provides different punishment. Creator is the Final Authority to either punish the individual in the hereafter or have Mercy on him and pardon him. There is a saying of prophet that one who got punished for his breaking law on this earth, would be free from any blame on the hereafter, provided he repents truly. Allah Knows best. 2. The basics of Divine law did not change when one believes in one prophet to another. (However Pauline Christianity, which is the most popular form of Christianity in our times, has more or less abolished all form of Laws). We do not accept islam just to be governed by the Divine Law. The

Christia nity

Jesus

paul

[QUOTE who="N4"] 1. You do understand "MUQ" St. Paul (was named Saul) and He persecuted Christians a nascent faith at this time ..a faith the Jesus gave his children ...St. Paul merely learned the error of his ways (with Gods help)and adopted Christianity as his own.. 2) Saint Paul ..did not start anything new Christianity was already a growing religion .. 2a) The reason he has more letters in the New Testament ..He was the better educated of Jesus disciples ..most were fishermen .. 2. .."MUQ" is it a sin if a Muslims decides ..that, he has no stomach for killing a farm animal...and, decides to abstain from the blood ritual of Eid...??? 2)also..I applaud this practice ...children should see where we get our meat... [/QUOTE] Ans. 1. St. Paul and his Conversion: a. I have nothing against past life of St. Paul. There are many cases where people who led ungodly life before saw the light and transformed their lives. b. In such cases the New Converts first try to gain true religious knowledge by either going to the prophets (if they are alive) or to the best teachers of new faith available at those times. c. Since Jesus was already gone from the world when Paul saw the light so the most natural way for him was to go to the Chosen Disciples of Jesus Christ, all of whom were living and doing the propagation work and learn about the teachings of Jesus Christ. d. But he did nothing of the sort, from the moment he got converted; he started preaching his own Gospel!! He appointed himself as Jesus Apostle to the Gentiles and claimed equality nay superiority over those Chosen Disciples. e. That is why we see in his letters very few quotations from Jesus own wordings. He was supposed to be an Apostle of jesus , and his letters have quotations from everyone else, except jesus. Is it

Islam

Quran

Inconsiste ncy

A NOT SO CLOSE LOOK AT SO CALLED HISTORICAL INCONSISTENCIES IN THE QURAN Introduction: A. It was heartening to see our Shielaa the Great turning into a scriptural authority!! Some people might even think that she went and read and re-read Quran and then compared it with word by word with Bible and then came out with her independent report finding many of so called historical inaccuracies in Quran. B. If she would have done that, we would have appreciated her efforts and acknowledged that even though her conclusions are wrong, but at least she made an effort!! But she did nothing, she not even opened Quranic verses she quoted and verified as to whether Quran actually says what she is accusing it of? She has muddled her info and mixed the opinion of Scholars with that of Quran and laid charges against Quran. C. Then she has given Bible the status of being 100 % accurate and without any discrepancy? How can we accept that what ever is written in Bible is 100 % correct? Are we sure even about the writers who wrote individual books of Bible? D. Once you will go thru my answers, you will find how childish and superficial are the charges that our Great Lady has brought against the Quran. And I am not surprised in the least, I already knew the LOW LEVEL of her DEEP KNOWLEDGE about Quran and Islam. E. Any one who is following her innumerable posts cannot but conclude that she is a Rabid hater of islam Quran, Prophet of Islam and Muslims at large!! And all the while she says that she does not hate Islam and she does not hate Muslims!! 01. Muhammad taught that Mary the mother of Jesus was the sister of Aaron and Moses .. MUQ:

Islam

Jews

Dealings

[QUOTE who="Advocate"] 1. But why should they have to identify with a concept -- a person -that has formed one of several cores as to why they were persecuted even though they had nothing to do with the event? 2/3. How would you phrase this if, say, a Muslim boy would want to convert from Islam? 4. There are still very poor Jews in the world, but less compared to last century. My father's parents arrived in Mexico from the ghetto after being turned away by the United States. They were dirt poor and found it very hard to learn Spanish. My mother's parents were more well adjusted and adapted to Mexican life and culture rather easily as relatives here had found them jobs in established family businesses. However, there are also very poor Muslims and Christians as well, and not all are blessed with an oil economy like the Gulf States and Iran. I didn't mean to comment on general socioeconomic status, but on executives in general. The vast majority are Muslim and Christian. It would be interesting to note that the reason many Jewish people are in the media business today is that because there were little job opportunities open to them before the 60s, with cinema and the newspaper being some exceptions. 5. I comment on having a sad disposition because you seem to accept many of the generalizations made in the internet and hacks like Port Jefferson instead of asking him why? We do not need more generalizations but rather a common platform to find solutions to common problems. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. A prophet of God sent to any nation is no ordinary person. He is not like Crores of humans being present on earth. Jesus was born without any human father, that fact itself made him unique. Then he performed all those Miracles which removed any doubts as to whether he was a true prophet of God or not. Then the core of his message, he invited Jews to come back to the path of God and start worshipping Him with full heart and energy. All these are tell tale signs of a True prophet and a mighty Messenger of God. Now if Jews still reject him and his message it is their choice. If Christians persecuted Jews because why they do not believe in Jesus, then Christians are at fault. They have no right to force Jews

Jews

Jesus

Belief

[QUOTE who="Advocate"] 01.I think you missed the last part about the whole topic on deicide. If it were not for that then he could have been really taken into consideration but of course he will no be included in Jewish studies if millions in Europe were being slaughtered in his name. 02. I don't think there has to be a specific compulsion to religion. If Jewish people don't want to believe in Jesus, that's ok, much as in the same way that Muslims don't want to believe in the Holy Trinity and the Christian saints. Everyone is entitled to freedom of belief and shouldn't be forced to conform to other people's standards. 2. Whatever your motivations are, you have explicitly stated that you hate Jews. How can I expect to have a productive conversation with you if you are hostile to my own personal beliefs and cannot be objective? I am willing to go the extra mile because I have no qualms against Islam, but it seems you are willing to swallow up every piece of internet and conspiracist mumbo jumbo that comes your way without questioning it. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. I know you cannot include Jesus into Jewish scriptures because he came afterwards. But why you reject him, why not be with him and not those with those Scribes and Pharisees who rejected him? 02. No I do not agree with you there that Jews are at "liberty" to believe in Jesus or not. When God send him as a prophet to Jews, they have no choice left but to believe him. What are they trying to convey to God? That we will believe in this prophet and that in that prophet even if you sent him? Is it not a rebellion against God? The reason we Muslims reject Trinity, Divinity of Jesus and his Atonement of sin, is that we are told that these are not what Jesus taught. These are innovation of St. Paul who did not learn anything from Jesus. So our rejection of these Christian dogmas is different from Jews rejection of prophethood and mission of Jesus. I wish you will consider the differences in the two approaches.

Jews

Jesus

Messiah

[QUOTE who="Advocate"] 1) Jesus does not fill the criteria for the Messiah, even if I don't believe in that. You have a checklist to fill if you want to become the world's savior and whatnot. 2) Jewish people get peeved when others insist that Jesus had no connection to Judaism. He was Jewish and studied with rabbis in the temples and was circumcised; it was only until Paul that Christianity evolved into a religion separate from Judaism. 3) The whole accusation of deicide and such. The Romans were the ones who crucified him on a hill and killed him, but it's interesting to see that, quite to the contrary, there is no anti Roman movement in Christianity today, the traditional liturgical language of the Roman Catholic division is Latin, and the Papacy is based in Rome. I think you try to disguise your blatant hatred of Jewish people behind a veil of pseudo analytical posts, and that saddens me. Not even a balanced review or comparison and contrasting, just using a front. I'm quite willing to learn more about Islam and I have wonderful Muslim friends here in Mexico City, but it's very plain to me that you haven't even met a Jewish person before and only listen to internet mumbo jumbo instead of questioning your own beliefs and trying to mend a very wide gap. You're much better that Port Jefferson and his entourage of toadies, but it's sad for me to see someone who is obviously well educated and possessing of access to all kinds of information stoop to their level. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Messiah is a very common word in Jewish terminology. It simply means some one which is appointed to a particular mission from God. In OT books we find so many people given this Title of Messiah. The fact is Jews were looking for two Messiahs when Jesus started his mission. One was a last Jewish prophet amongst themselves and one was The Last and Final Prophet amongst their "brethren" i.e. Ishmaelites!! (Which Moses Prophesized in Deut 18:18). That is why when John the Baptist declared his missions, Jewish Priests asked him THREE questions and not ONE Question. These Questions an answers are mentioned in Gospel of Jon Ch-1, verses

Jews

Chosen

Proofs

[QUOTE who="True"] The following prophecies are just some of the many that prove God's omniscient hand on his people the Jews (Nation of Israel) 1. The Lord will never forget his chosen people: Leviticus 26:44 2. The nation of Israel will never cease to be a nation of people Jeremiah 31:35-36 35 This is what the LORD says, he who appoints the sun to shine by day, who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar-- the LORD Almighty is his name: 3. God promises to restore Israel to their land Jeremiah 32:36-37 37 I will surely gather them from all the lands where I banish them in my furious anger and great wrath; I will bring them back to this place and let them live in safety.(THE PROMISE TO RESTORE ISRAEL) [/QUOTE] Ans. 1. What you are quoting is correct but your context seems to be wrong. 02. You forget that MANY of the promises of God to bring Jews back to the land of Palestine refer tot heir First Exile to the land of Babylon. That phase of their history is over and you cannot use those prophesies for every where in human history. 03. When Jesus appeared on the scene and Jews rejected him and tried to kill him, things too a different turn. Now they were branded as a rebellious people and the ONLY way to come back into the fold of God was to turn back and accept Jesus as their prophet. So long they continue to deny Jesus.. the path is blocked for them. 04. And when the Last and Final prophet of God came in Arabia as a Universal messenger of God (which Moses prophesized in Deut 18:18 and which Jesus prophesized in John Ch 14-16), that was really the Last Chance for Jews to rectify all their past mistakes and make themselves worthy to receive Grace of God. But Jews true to their mentality rejected him and became his and his messages

Islam

Women

Rights

[QUOTE who="COR"] In civilized society, laws ensure EQUAL rights for all. Not so in barbaric Islamic societies. Telling women their place is at home and not where they want it to be is primitive and inherently unfair. You truly are incapable of reason, but we already knew that. [/QUOTE] Ans. I have yet to see a society where ALL laws are equal for men and women. In EVERY country and in EVERY society there are special laws for women, for children and for aged. They get special privileges which are not available to others. So how can you say ALL Laws are equal for men and women. To say that womens role are in house, is no insult. This is what they have been created for. And it is not us who defines roles of men and women. It is our Creator and He knows much better than we can ever know. What you call as your reasoning is not reasoning at all. If you could prove than men and women are equal physically, mentally, emotionally, psychologically and by any standards you can analyze. You will find that nature have made them complimentary to each other and not directly competing against each other. This PERFECT EQUALITY Model, is wrong from every angle and that is why there has been no society and there shall never be any society where men and women are EXACTLY equal. Tell me in which profession there is exact 50-50 % balance between men and women in ANY country of the world?

Jews

Chosen

proof

[QUOTE who="Sailor"] 1. Answer: Speaking of the nation of Israel, Deuteronomy 7:7-9 tells us, The LORD did not set His affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples. But it was because the LORD loved you and kept the oath He swore to your forefathers that He brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh king of Egypt. Know therefore that the LORD your God is God; He is the faithful God, keeping His covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love Him and keep His commands. But God loves all people alike and he wants them to come to him through his son, Jesus Christ. He chose Israel as the nation where his son would be born and come through. 2. John 3:16 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. [/QUOTE] Ans. 1. The Key Phrase in your Quotation is He is the faithful God, keeping His covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love Him and keep His commands. God is Loving God to those who love Him and Keep His commandments!! So long as Jews were doing that, God loved them and Chose them and bestowed His favors on them. But when the same Jews swerved from the True Path and followed evil path, Gods anger turned on them and He chastised them in no uncertain ways. Gods anger on Jews was gradual and had many stages: a. First God chastised Jews by minor attacks and taking their lands by their enemies, so that they might repent. b. When that did not help, God sent Nebuchadnezzar in ~ 500 BC

Christia nity

Jews

Chastisem ent

[QUOTE who="UHUH"] Jesus: You shall pay for the blood of all the prophets your forefathers have slain!(Luke 11:51) "The Pharisees held a council on how they might kill Jesus" (Matt 12:14) Banu Nadir sent 3 assassins disguised as rabbis to kill Muhammad (Sunan Abu Daud) Muhammad had no reason to show mercy on those killers of prophets who tried to kill him; they are not his people and yet he DID NOT execute Banu Nadir "You will always find treachery in them, except a few among them. But forgive them and overlook their misdeeds" (Quran 5:13) [/QUOTE] Ans. A. Chastisement of Jews: 01.You have spoken very correctly, Jesus did tell Jews about the chastisement of Jews in coming days. 02. But the chastisement which Jesus spoke was not at the hands of our prophet. Most of that was at the hands of Romans (when they took the land of Palestine and forced Jews out of that land and dispersed them thru out nations of Europe) 03. Then persecution of Jews started under Christians and continued till the very middle of 20th Century. Persecution of Jews by Muslims is very little compared to what they have suffered at the hands of Europeans and Christians. But somehow or the other they present only the Muslim side of Chastisement and down play what Romans and Christians did to them. B. Our Prophet and Jews: 04. The Jews of Arabia were not even considered proper Jews by their own Jewish majority / Diaspora . They were a sort of back water and toned down Jews according to their standards of racial purity. 05. I doubt any Jewish historians of that age even mentions about Arabian Jews in their books as any major population or concentration of Jews.

Islam

Prophet

Status

[QUOTE who="Aryan"] Muhammad was above god. He was free to do whatever he wanted. He could keep as many wives as he wanted to keep. He was free to kill anybody who do not follow him. His Allah had even given him permission to rape a captured woman. Muhammad's allah did not like non muslims. Do not follow Muhammad and allah will punish yu [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Our prophet was never above God, each of his action was carefully monitored and supervised by Allah. Whenever he deviated even slightly from the Highest Moral standards, Allah asked him to make corrections. - When he did not pay attention to the Blind Man who came to ask question, Allah admonished the prophet (As mentioned in Ch 80 V 1-9) - When he accepted apologies of some Hypocrites to go to war, Allah admonished His messenger (as recorded in Ch. 9 V 43) - When he made some item prohibited which Allah had made lawful, he was admonished (as mentioned in Ch 66 V 1-3) He was the chosen prophet of Allah and he had to pass the strictest criterion. The incidents on which Allah admonished his prophet are so trivial that if Quran did not mentioned it no one would even know about it. 02. Yes in case of marriage, Allah did allow His messenger more wives than other Muslims and there were many reasons for that than mere sexual desires. And then Allah told prophet that he was no longer free to make any more marriages or exchange his wives with other women (as mentioned in Ch 33 V 52) 03. Our prophet did not kill any innocent person and when some of his companions killed any innocent person by mistake the prophet gave compensation for them. But he was a Judge and a Head of State as well as a Prophet, so he used his judgment to pardon some prisoner and free some of them. This is power of head of state and has to be used with discretion.

Islam

Prophet

Knowledg e

[QUOTE who="NT"] I am a tad curious as to why Muhammad didn't know he was going to be poisoned because that is what a prophet would know. I have prophesized events and the spoken word and actions of others so he would by rights have been able to as well. It doesn't work with the lotto numbers though . [/QUOTE] Ans. Our prophet was not God, he was only a prophet and a prophet knows only what God tells him. So God did not tell the prophet that the meat was poisoned, but when he took the first bite, he was told by God that the meat was poisoned. That is why no Muslim worships prophet Mohammad. We love him, we follow him, we respect him, we revere him, but we do not worship him. And on the day he died, Abu Bakr his closest friend and the First Caliph of Islam announced from the pulpit "Let those who worshipped Mohammad know that Mohammad is dead and those who worship Allah should know that Allah is always living. Allah said in Quran" "Mohammad is (nothing but) a prophet, many prophets came before him, if he dies or killed (in battle field) will you turn back?....." That was the BEST speech in the recorded history of prophets. It saved Islamic nation from going to extremes. All the miracles which prophet showed all the prophesies that he made, was told to him by Allah All Mighty. Our prophet did not know who to read or write, he had no earthly teacher. Allah taught him every thing that he needed to know to carry out his prophetic duties. And we do believe that he was most knowledgeable in these matters than all other humans combined. But he did not know every thing and we cannot say that his knowledge was in every field. But whatever he spoke from the knowledge given to him by Allah was 100 % accurate and whatever prophesies he made shall be fulfilled.

Islam

Prophet

Respect

[QUOTE who="NT"] 1. Before Islam came about, what need was there for reading and writing ? You said that Muhammad couldn't read or write so why would his companions be any different seeing they all came from the same background ? 2. Hello MUQ, you may be able to help me with a quandary my mind is trying to fathom ,why was it so that I knew that the movie that has caused so much grief throughout the world was going to happen although I expected something bigger than Ben Hur so to speak. I expected a Hollywood blockbuster that would enlighten the world of what Muslims are to this world we live in.....Look at the answer I got from the death and carnage of those who live as their prophet did as they would, to live up to his name. Please explain to me why you go on about peace and harmonic existence under the teachings of the Quran ,we see with our own eyes death and carnage between Muslins and their other foreign foes in the name of their prophet for this I assume it is what their teachings are all about ,so please explain if you can, with an open mind that I see as God does . [/QUOTE] Ans. A. Reading And Writing 1. What is the purpose of reading and writing? Ask any society why ALL of its members are totally devoid of reading and writing? Makkah was a city which has had its life and commercial transactions and trade activities, every thing could not be committed to memory, could it be? The wills and testaments, the debts and the poetry, these things were written down. But reading and writing was not so popular to make Makkah a center of learning and study. So amongst the companions of prophet, there were people who could read and write. And after Islam, prophet encouraged his followers to learn to read and write and very soon, reading and writing became the second nature for Muslims. They wrote so many books that to even make a catalogue of them

Islam

Quran

preservati on

[QUOTE who="NT"] Hello MUQ, how is it that in the time of your prophet as we have spoken before about, when you spoke of how the record of the Quran was past down by the prophets companions who memorized every written word ,so would you please help me to understand if the prophets personal habits and living as he was; Were they memorized as well and by whom and why would they think that anybody would want to know ? [/QUOTE] Ans. A. Quran: The prophet as mentioned before was unable to read and write., whenever he received any revelation, he would call one of his scribes and ask him to write down what ever was revealed. Then he would read it aloud to his companions as to what was being revealed. And then he used to recite long portions of Quran in daily prayers. The companions of prophet would learn the newly revealed portion of Quran from prophet and the proper place it was to be put in Quran by the recitation of holy prophet. It took more than 23 years for whole Quran to be revealed. So by that time hundreds of companions of prophet had committed it to memory. And after the death of prophet, within two years the whole Quran was written down. B. His sayings and Life Story: As regards sayings and life history of prophet, he was the object of study by thousands of his followers. Nothing about him was hidden from the public. His wives were also allowed to tell about his life and behavior in house. After his death, his companions used to recount every thing they heard or saw during their interaction with prophet. His words and his actions and his life was an ideal for every one of his companions. The companions told it to those who became their pupils and they told it to those who came after him and then within a short time after his death, the whole record was written down. And every record had a chain of narrators, ending with one or more

Jews

Hate

Why

[QUOTE who="pushstart"] Why do people hate jews. Are we talking the little big headed bearded men and the 4 ft tall grandma's that wear black? There are different jewish people in the world because the ones I know grow their own gardens, talk jibberish and don't live off the government. They are hard workers! Their meat is full in the freezer. So what is the problem? The ones in Israel? what are they like? Hitler hated them, what's the beef? [/QUOTE] Ans. Why people do hate Jews? You asked a very good question. In our times they want a short cut answer that Only Arabs and Muslims hate Jews and rest of the world just loves them. Even if it is correct what about other people? Jews have a history of at least 4000 years. During this large period they dealt with so many people, why they did not love Jews. Did Romans Loved Jews? Did Parisians Loved Jews? Did Assyrians Loved Jews? Did Early Christians loved Jews? Did European Christians (7001900 CE period) loved Jews? Were jews loved in ANY European country? And is it really country in the world that LOVES Jews? Is there ANY country in the world that is ready to give them a peace of land where they can live happily ever after? So what is in Jews which makes people of every age and every nation to hate them? I do not want to answer this question myself (because they may accuse me of bias), I just give hint: a. People hate those who stand up for Truth and Justice and Equity and end Discrimination ( as all prophets and reformers were hated in their times). b. People hate people who consider them superior to others and want special favors for them which they do not give to other. c. People hate people who try to exploit them financially, and control their resources and make them real or virtual slaves.

Jews

Racism

Definition

[QUOTE who="Peter"] Ans: Racism is generally defined as actions, practices, attitudes, or beliefs that reflect or support the racial worldview. I do not hear Jewish people on this site, saying muslims this muslims that, only you peddling racism against the Jewish people. Never heard a Jew here. Release that Muslim anger. Release that absolute Hatred for another being. You will be better off. [/QUOTE] Ans. How you can say there are no Jewish point on this thread. Many of them identified that they are Jew. And then there are their Die Hard Zionist Christian Supporters on this and all other threads. They are More Jewish than the Jews!! All this criticism (direct or indirect) is being controlled by Jews. It is strange you are unable to detect their hands behind all that. We do not have absolute anger against any one, not against Jews or Christians or Hindus. Our anger is issue based. When Jews were persecuted by Christians for most of past 2000 years, it were Muslims who gave them shelter. Now for 60 odd years Christians have turned Bosom Friends with Jews and both of them have turned against Islam and Muslims. We are the least racist of all religions in the world and that is why Muslims are found in every race, in every nation and in every ethnic group. I will be best off when I follow our Creators Guidelines and path showed by our prophet.

Islam

Adam

Responsib ility

[QUOTE who="NQ"] I would like to present to you that this idea is also a basic concept in the Bible. But here are some more verses from the Quran that alludes to the charge given to Adam, the first man on the earth. Now I do not know which particular translations are acceptable to you, but I will do the best I can. These show that the Quran states that God made Adam to be the caretaker and make decisions for the earth, on the earth. But in agreement with the Bible account, he allowed himself to be taken away from obeying God. Thy Lord said to the angels:I will create a vicegerent on earth. Al-Baqarah [2]:30. He Who has made everything which He has created Most Good: He began the creation of man with (nothing more than) clay . . . But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit.Al-Sajdah [32]:7, 9. Surely We created man of the best stature.Al-T&#299;n [95] We said:O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression.AlBaqarah [2]:35. Gardens of Eden underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for ever.&#7788;a-Ha [20]:76. Then did Satan make them slip from the (Garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been.Al-Baqarah [2]:36. Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, and allow himself to be seduced.&#7788;a-Ha [20]:121. 2. May I ask you, though, where you get this phrase of "original idea"? [/QUOTE] Ans. Thank you for Quoting so many Quranic Verses on the subject of Adam. I mentioned only one verse, since we agreed to go to one point at a time. I mentioned that it is an "Original Idea" because there is no such Idea in Bible that humans were to be Vicegerent on earth. It spoke

Jews

Hate

Justificati on

[QUOTE who="GP"] One of the reasons I side with the Israelis in their struggle is the fact that of all the worlds religions, Judaism as far as I know has never been bent on world conquest. They seem to just want their piece of land and asking the Arabs to please quit hiding bombs in their baby strollers. At least Judaism and Christianity don't tell you to convert at the point of a gun. Islam is a perverted religion that cant wait for Iran to finish their work so they can have 21st century weapons in the hands of 4th century thinkers. Israel is not going to let that happen whether we help them or not. And if it comes down to the worst, they will bring the walls down on the entire region, including themselves. I would like to say that the Israelis are infinitely patient, they seem to be, but their patience is at an end, they cannot tolerate the next suicide vest loaded with a nuke. GOD bless Israel. [/QUOTE] Ans. I think you might be working in the PRO of Israel!! No one else could present such a rosy picture of Jews and Zionists and present them as a wooly lamb as you have done. It is real pity that Titus the Roman General killed and banished them from Palestine 2000 years ago and that Jews were so much persecuted by almost every Christian country during those 2000 years. Why EVERY Christian nation in past persecuted so "harmless and wooly lambs like Jews"? I fail to understand, Can you throw some light on it? It is after we get clear answer to this Jew Christian bad blood, we will consider the bad blood between Jews and Arabs.

Hindu

Islam

Idol

Are Muslims Idol Worshippers? TARK Or KUTARK part-1 We have had the pleasure of hearing a long article from Great Dr. Mahindra Pal Arya. A great quality of any Learned Scholar is show humility and honesty in his writings and speeches. But the way our Great Doctors addresses another Doctor (I mean Dr. Zakir Naik) shows how much inferiority complex he has from him. Before I try to answer some of the points mentioned by Mahindra Pal Arya, I would like a little stroll down the memory lane. May be some people are aware of it, but I am sure that most people on this thread might not be aware of it. A. History of Hindu Muslims Debates in India: 1.It is strange that while Muslims and Hindus had interactions for past 1200 years, history of Hindu Muslim debates is not even 200 years old!! 2. Right from Muslim conquest of Sindh in 8th Century CE till the arrival of British in India and in first quarter of 19th Century, there is no record of any significant open religious debates between Hindus and Muslims. 3. In Hindu literature we find that Religious Debate (SHASTRARTH in Sanskrit) was very common. A Hindu Scholar was not considered High enough, untill he defeated most of his contemporaries in that SHASTRARTH. 4. But fortunately or unfortunately for Hindus and Muslims in India, there was no effort for either side to engage each other into debates. Was it due to Muslims being ruler classes or they had different languages or unaware of each others religions basics and logic, we cannot say. 5. Even when so many Hindus accepted Islam at the hands of Sufi Saints, we find no mention of any efforts from Hindus to engage Muslims in religious debates and refute their religious beliefs. (Contd.) Are Muslims Idol Worshippers? TARK Or KUTARK part-2

B. Christian Muslim Debates: 6. But when British arrived in India in late 18th Century and slowly

Islam

Revelati on

method

[QUOTE who="NT"] Why do you think Allah changed it's method of it's message with each religion of each civilization from time began? We can only imagine there is but ONE GOD of all living beings on this planet so why do we have a world of religious hate of each other, because we are told so ? [/QUOTE] Ans. There are some fundamental parts of Universal religion of Allah (called Islam in Arabic which means submitting ones will to the will of their Creator) and these were common in all messages and guidance that were sent to all prophets of God irrespective of their times and conditions. A. Articles of Faith: 1. That included in the Oneness of Lord and Creator of this Universe and worshipping Him only and shun Idol worship and worship of false gods. 2. Then believe in their prophets and hereafter, when every one will be called to account have been essential parts of messages preached by every prophet. B. Acts of Worship: 3. Praying to God and supplicating to Him, Spending of their wealth to please God, Fasting in one form or another and pilgrimage to a sacred location, have always been parts of message and guidance which every prophet brought. 4. So the basic tenets of Universal religion have been maintained, irrespective of age, and location and language difference. C. What has changed: 5. Depending on the needs of growing civilization, the rules and ways of act of worship and matters of jurisprudence were changing. These are only the finer elements of religion and not the core. D. Are religions contradicting each other and causing hatred amongst their followers? 6. No this is not true, no prophet of God contradicts and rejects any other prophet of God. They are like brothers unto each other.

Atheism

God

Creation

[QUOTE who=" "] You have it the wrong way around. The earth's atmosphere was not created for humans, in the same way it wasn't created for the malaria mosquito. You can interpret the "holy books" to make it say what you want, and people do, thats why religious bloodshed is still a scourge on humanity. Living in Saudi you should know how religious crackpots want to control every aspect of a persons being that no other religion is contemplated, a kind of enslavement of the mind, you will believe our bullshit or we will kill you. It must be a living hell. [/QUOTE] Ans. The Earth did not create its own atmosphere, did it? The Power which created it did for all living species on this earth, what is wrong in it? You try to interpret Holy books in your own way and then let us see what people think about it. Religious bloodshed is a very small percentage of Non religious blood shed that we have witnessed over past 100 years (the age of so called Atheism). I give below the list of major wars in the world for past 100 years, please tell me what religious issues were at stake in these wars and which religion participated in those wars. a. b. c. d. e. f. g. h. i. j. k. l. m. WW-1 WW-2 Korean War Vietnam War Arab Israeli wars of 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, Palestinian uprising. Iran Iraq War 1979-1987. Gulf War of 1991 Afghanistan invasion of 2002. Iraq Invasion of 2003. Indo pak wars on Kashmir in 1948, 56, 1965. Bangladesh war of independence of 1971. Cambodian wars of KHEMR ROUGE. LTTE wars in Sri Lanka

Please tell me what religious issues were at stake in these wars and which religion participated in these wars.

Hindu

Prophet

Insults

[QUOTE who=" "] [/QUOTE] Ans. I am sure anyone with sensitive mind cannot tolerate the fee flow of abuses and insults that are freely flowing on this thread. There are both Muslims and Non Muslims engaged in this exchange of obscenities and no one knows who started it first. But it has to be stopped if we want to maintain the decorum of this thread. Since these people use Hindi, Urdu and Punjabi language in these exchanges many people do not understand what is being said. I want to restrain my Muslim brothers, that such type of abuses and insults are not going to help them in any way, neither on this world and nor in the hereafter. For a Muslim, the best example is from the life of our Prophet, may peace be on him. Every one knows that non believers of Makkah used every type of insults and taunts on him, while he was propagating his message. He was called a liar, imposter, mad man, poet, forger, magician and every other type of names, but what he did? He never engaged in answering those people in the same language. Instead he went on with his mission and the world saw that within a few years, all those who ridiculed him were under his feet, some of them got killed in the battlefield and most of them were looking with downcast eyes, while prophet had conquered Makkah, saying You were a Good Brother and a Compassionate person I want to remind my Muslim brothers on this thread that they should keep in mind the methods which our prophet used and let these abuse mongers do what they are doing. Quran and our prophet told us the best ways to deal with such people, I would like to share a few with my Muslim brothers. A. Can one Curse his own Father and Mother? Once prophet said, that He is a very bad man who curse his own father and his own mother The companions were surprised, and said O Messenger of Allah, which man will curse his own father and his own mother?

Islam

Beliefs

Objection

[QUOTE who="NI"] You are not giving any authentic proof. Kindly read my question carefully. 1. The question is why Muslim bow towards kabba while praying?. 2. Where Allah reside according to QURAN.? If you or anyone of your molvi have answer. Pls explain we all want to know the fact. Note. The answer you reply should be quoted from QURAN. Lastly every one knows what Zakir NALAYAK is, and his capability, he cant even understand Hindi language properly he quote he read VEDAS which is in Sanskrit, even some hindus find difficult to understand Sanskrit words, then howcome Zakir NALAYAK can understand. I think he is graduated in Sanskrit from banaras university...hahahahaha. He is just fooling poor Muslims many of them don't even understand Arabic words also. Zakir NALAYAK is funded by ARABISTAN, his job is to convert poor illiterate Hindus, Christians, for which he is getting handsome amount from Arabs. This is his bread and butter. If Dr. Mahendra Pal Arya is not having any knowledge of Islam, then Zakir NALAYAK should accept the challenge and defeat him and teach him meaning of Islam. But the fact is Zakir NALAYAK get scarred even if he hear Dr Mahendra Pal Aryas name. Last year 2011 Around 200000 Lacs Muslim RECONVERTed to Hinduism, after understanding the difference between QURAN & VEDAS. Waiting for your reply. [/QUOTE] Ans. First of all, you show the meanness of your character by mutilating the name of Dr. Zakir Naik, a well known and respected name amongst Muslims and Hindus of India. You might agree or disagree with him or not is another thing, but to

Islam

Women

Roles

[QUOTE who="Frijoles"] 1. Institutional discrimination is when an institution or dominant group promotes discrimination. For example, the reason, until recently, that most veterinarians were male was because men controlled the entry and hiring into the profession. Once there was a critical mass of female applicants, women gradually worked themselves up the rungs of the profession, served on recruitment, admission, and hiring committees, and opened the gates, Now female veterinarians outnumber male veterinarians 2:1. Institutions take generations to change in this manner. 2. An interesting comment But I asked for scientific information - references to a scientific article, or a summary of a scientific article - that provides data and mechanism for the support of the idea that women are inferior to men. Not different - but inferior. If you want to broaden the question so as to make it scientifically meaningless, then I would follow up and THEN ask you WHY you are basing your views on a meaningless framework??? And then there is the second question - What is the basis behind your views that homosexuality is unnatural. [/QUOTE] Ans. 1. So you have to wait for many more Generations till this Institutional Discrimination is finished from your society and you will see every where 50-50 divide between males and females. Your guess is as good as mine, but let me tell you that it is only a pipe dream and there never will come a day when men and women share each and every job 50-50. When nature made them different, they shall always remain different. You can make them equal only thru force as Communists tried

Islam

Muslim s

Questions

[QUOTE who="RN"] If being Muslim means not asking questions, why are you here? And wouldn't a rational person question why you can not question? Do you question why I ask this question? [/QUOTE] Ans. It is not that Muslims do not ask questions, but there is a limit to their question asking. They do not challenge the Authority of Our Creator and our Prophet in law making. If our Creator and / or His have laid down a law, Muslims follow it. But there is no shortage of asking their question as to the level and extent to which such laws are applicable in individual cases. So Muslims do ask a lot of questions and these questions and answers fill books of Islamic Jurisprudence and they ran into volumes. Prophet, his companions and those came after them were bombarded with questions from Muslims who wanted to know the application of laws in their lives. Islam is a state of belief you know and Muslims do not waste their and others time in asking useless questions.

Islam

Women

Marriage

[QUOTE who="WW Man"] Wrong answer muslim cousins marrying cousins is common in UK the was a radio program highlighting the problems being caused by their handicapped offspring. Arranged and forced marriages forced marriages dont happen ,they do in the UK as some girls are removed from school and transported to Pakistan in particular filthy practice by filthy people all to gain the pittance of a bride fee. Of coarse this does not happen in India Iran. Just like mug never lies? Why are you so scared of the truth? [/QUOTE] Ans. First of all there is nothing wrong in marriage between cousins. If you want to ask I will show you that many of the Jewish prophets married their first cousins. And any marriage between First Cousins is not de-facto cause of medical diseases. This could only happen when a series of First Cousin marriages are held in any society and chances of such happening are very rare in any society. In Islam it is not must that you marry your first cousin, it is only allowed and I can show you thousands of cases in my knowledge where the marriage was not held between cousins. There is nothing wrong per see if an arranged marriage takes place. The parents of girl and boy are not their enemies that they would knowingly spoil the lives of their children. The basic thing is the free consent of both boy and girl in the marriage and Islam asks that the consent should be freely given by both boy and the girl. If some Muslims do not follow Islamic teachings, you cannot find fault with the islamic teachings which are best and most balanced in the world. I deplore this idea where your media takes one or two of such cases and produces a documentary knowing fully well that zombies like you would drink that documentary as the Gospel Truth and make that documentary as part of their belief system. No doubt people like you are shame to your own religion and your country be getting brainwashed so easily.

Islam

Hadith

Authority

[QUOTE who="Jake Bradock"]<quoted text> All the comparisons are supplied with your Hadith and are supported by muslim sources threw the ages MUG.......you muslims kept good records of the atrocities committed by your prophet even though your trying to cover them up and destroy them now. The only valid and righteous parts of your religion are the parts Mohammed copied direct from the christians anyway.....you know it and it kills you thinking about it.[/QUOTE] And. Compare our prophets wars against the wars ("atrocities" according to you) against ANY ONE in this world. The ones you consider as "Warrior Prophets, Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon....or any one who took up arms to defend the Message of truth. Compare the numbers of casualties on both side and the results obtained in each case. And how temporary and permanent they were. That is a FAIR comparison, comparing an apple against an apple. To compare our prophet against some one, who did not wield any worldly power on this earth and was a mere preacher and was killed like a "petty criminal" by his enemies is not a fair comparison at all. It is comparing an apple against an orange. And that is the BASIC fault in your comparison. The second obvious is your hate and bias against Islam and its prophet using which you distort Islamic info from their context as you wish and draw most negative results from something which has no negative side at all. This is the work of genius or Devil, you pick up on which side you are!!

Islam

Women

Hijab

[QUOTE who="JT"] I asked a very simple question weeks ago and you ignored it. I asked again, and you ignored it. You do it to lots of people. Here, again, is my question. You stated that women should be veiled in order to prevent mutual lust or temptation or something like that. I pointed out that your comment made no sense - how could "mutual" temptation be prevented if only women were veiled? The women can still see the men, no? Why aren't both men AND women veiled? [/QUOTE] Ans. You asked a very good and valid question, I am sorry if I did not answer it in the first place. Now there are two levels of answers to your question, let me try to answer them to the best of my knowledge and abilities. A. First Level: 1.When you get an express order from the law maker, it is for you to obey it and do not let your obideince linked with your understanding of the logic and justification. 2. So when we get an express order from Allah and His Messneger on the level of Hijabs for men and women we as a Muslim must follow it, without asking questions, other wise we are not a Muslim. 3. It is like in your country when the Parliament passess the laws on taxation and limits and percentage, you have to pay it. It might look justified or not, but you pay thru your noses otehrwise you go to jail The same applies for all the laws and decrees passed by parleiament or executive orders issued by your presdients and Prime Ministers. Some times they look idiotic to you (most of the time any way), but still you obey them. B. Second Level: But since we are assured that our Creator is Wise and Just and Deals with equity, NONE of His orders and decrees and whimsical and not based on Wisdom and Justice. So we try to look for the reasoning

Misc.

Wiki

Position

[QUOTE who="Frijoles"] 1. The sources at the end of the wiki article have an interesting feature. You click the words on and they go to the page of the source, usually. Its called a "link". Then its up to you to evaluate the source if you care. I am assuming you then have the natural intellectual ability to evaluate the credibility of a source on your own and filter out the garbage from the real stuff. If you don't, I recommend an American High School education, or the equivalent. Using the Koran as a source, especially for matters of science, is a non starter with us. Don't waste your time on that here if you crave intelligent discussion. 2. But I already gave you the meaning of the word here. You have no excuse to play dumb on that. Don't tell me NOONE knows its meaning. But I and others have told a few times already that sodomy is not restricted to gay people. Stop ignoring us. That strategy may work at home, but it doesnt work here. You were the one who criticized wiki, so I provided another avenue to approach the topic. Ands it is moot, because you refuse to acknowledge what the rest of the world knows, that sodomy is not restricted to gays. "It is against nature to have men and women as exact equals and fight it out in the world as equals..." You would fit in well with the American Republican party. Too bad you are Muslim. It just goes to show..... [/QUOTE] Ans. A. Wiki and my position: I am not against Wiki and any other source of information. But I do not consider it beyond reproach and criticism. I see that on Muslims related issues it follows the same pattern as Western Media does. It lacks the basic understanding of Islam and

Misc.

Divorce

Court

[QUOTE who="NT"] It is currently against the public interest as in the two witnesses to each others attempts to legally divorce each other from their marriage so for the court not to see this is a travesty in their justice system. [/QUOTE] Ans. It is the self assumed position that courts intervention in every divorce is for public interest. And it is this thought that has made divorce cases so tedious and so time consuming. Law has made its own assumption of cooling off period, which is against reason and logic. Divorce is a family matter just like the marriage. So the first attempt would be to solve it at the family level. If marriages are dissolved by mutual consent and without courts interventions, there is nothing wrong in it. If no consensus is reached during mutual discussions, then one party can approach courts. But by making the courts intervention mandatory, they are creating lots of hardship to the divorcing couples and there is no shortage of cases where they are pending for 5-10 years. I do not know in whose public interest are such delays? Certainly not in the interests of the parties involved. May be they are not public?

Islam

Women

Marriage

[QUOTE who="WWM"] Irrespective it is a yoke around her neck welter at 14 when the young girl should be finishing her school she is married to ac 30+ year old man or married of to a cousin for the bride fee. [/QUOTE] Ans. There is no law that a women Must be married when she reaches the age of 14. The eligibility criterion does not mean that every girl is married at that age. What is the age of marriage in western Society? Do you mean to say that every western women is married when she reaches that age? What sort of sick argument is that which you are proposing?

Islam

Allah

Love

[QUOTE who="Dave"] Correct me if Im wrong, but Allah supposedly loves all the people of the world equally, but he only grants Muslims perpetual ownership of land? [/QUOTE] Ans. Yes Allah loves all His Creations, and probably you do not know what Muslim means. A Muslim means one who submits his or her will to Allah. Therefore all prophets were muslims and so were their dedicated followers. And Allah says that Our righteous servants shall inherit the earth (the same thing as said by David and Jesus Meek shall inherit the earth). God distributes His Earth to whomsoever He wishes, but we do not know what is His Will and what is His Wish. So we stick to any land that He gives or gave us at any period of our history. Lest we should be branded as ones who squandered the Gift from Allah.

Jews

Messian ic

Persecutio n

[QUOTE who="HBB"] If todays Messianic Jews are persecuted, then it is not the first time believers have suffered for The Lords sake. Christians have always been hated by the world, as the world hates God. A Lamp In The Dark: untold history of Bible ~ Full Film - YouTube &#9658; 178:25&#9658; 178:25 www.youtube.com/watch... So, we have suffered much. It is worth it, though. [/QUOTE] Ans. It is only natural that Messianic Jews be persecuted by both Christians and Jews alike. By Jews because they recognize Jesus Christ as a True prophet of God and follow his teachings. By Pauline Christians because they try to follow the Laws of Moses, which were supposed to be hanged on the cross along with Jesus Christ. As long as Messianic Jews are being persecuted by Jews and Christians, they should feel happy that they are on the right path. They should start worrying if they are welcomed with open hands and hugged by Jews and Christians .that might show that they are slipping in their faith and beliefs and in adhering to their religion. Any one trying to propagate Truth and Justice in any nation or world would naturally be disliked by all people of the nation or country. PS: Do you not find it strange if True Muslims get persecuted by Jews, Pauline Christians and Messianic Jews? Reason Muslims believe in Moses , Jesus AND the Last and Final prophet Mohammad, Peace be on to him.!!

Christia nity

Gospel

Authentici ty

[QUOTE who="ES"] The Gospel of Thomas is a Gnostic text and Gnostic texts are heretical from a true Biblical perspective. The Gnostics of the first century were spiritualists, their teachings were heretical and occult on account of the fact that Gnosticism does not teach that there is a personal God, they like many Hindus and Buddhists believe that god is impersonal or a state of bliss consciousness like Nirvana as taught in Buddhism and none of these doctrines are taught in the Bible on account of the fact that the visions of God in the Old Testament reveal a very personal being. See Ezekiel 1: specifically Ezekiel 1:26,27,28. Since I am assuming that you are a Muslim why would you use a book that contradicts the personal view of God, considering that Muslims believe that their god is personal? [/QUOTE] Ans. What I am posting is a part of a book that deals with the History of Truth, written by an Egyptian Doctor. Authenticity and reliability of Bible is one of the topics under which the author looks at so many Gospels that were prevalent in the earliest Christian centuries. Now you say that some of these Gospels by Agnostics, you name them Agnostics but they did not call themselves Agnostics. What is strange that all those people thrived in the earliest centuries of Christianity and not in the later centuries. Usually any religious movement is strongest in its initial stages. It is strange that many of the earliest Christian sects were declared as heretics and hypocrites and their books and writings were burned down the so call custodians of the Authorized Church. As a Muslim, we want to know the truth about Jesus and about the Gospel he preached.

Islam

Wahabi

Beliefs

[QUOTE who="Paul"] 1. That is why true Muslims destroyed the dome of prophet Muhammad's house. They did not want to idol worship. 2. No, JESUS wants all humans to believe and follow HIM. GOD certainly knows what is in the hearts of Men and Woman, and will judge fairly on the last day. 3. Thanks again for educating me on Hadith. It reminds me of the Jewish Tulmud and Mishnah which was also passed down orally and then written years later. Sorry about the word Wahabi. Seems too me there is much in common with Judaism, Christianity and Islam, as well as some differences. [/QUOTE] Ans. 1. I do not know what are you trying to prove here. There is no command from our prophet to construct any building on any grave. And the house where prophet used to live in Madina is already absorbed in the prophets mosque. So in reality, there is no house of prophet in Madina which is present. He never built any house for himself. There were small chambers for his wives, in which he used to live. All those small chambers are now part of the prophets Mosque. I find it strange, you trying to educate me on islamic history and relics left by our prophet. 2. Jesus mission was not for entire human kind, his mission was only to the Lost sheep of the house of Israel as he told expressively not once but many times. But irrespective of that any one who sincerely follows teachings of Jesus and does not expressively reject the Last and Final prophet from God would get their reward from God. 3.Why only Talmud and Mishnah? Most of the worlds scriptures were first transmitted orally and then written down. Are you sure Moses could have written those five books of Bible which we see in our times. It was only Quran which was transmitted both in written form and

Hindu

Names

Significan ce

[QUOTE who="NT"] To every Indian it is known that surname plays a very important role in ascertaining the background of a person. Anyone with a surname of Kumar or Kumari is a kind of certificate that this person is of lower strata and is best to be ignored if you want peace. The plight for the likes Kumar, kumari are futile. please give us some new names from hindu pakistanis with proper surname. [/QUOTE] Ans. I think that your generalization that every Indian Hindu name that has Kumar or Kumari in it is of lower strata is not correct. Kumar and Kumari are very popular surnames in India and have no connection whatsoever with the social status of the person. In real meaning Kumar means a boy who is not yet married and Kumari means a girl who is a maiden. But the surnames became popular with passage of time and people started using it as part of their names. If you need more info ask Harminder and Haji Kaji and Yaudheya and ITRE and their gang members. They would explain to you in more detail.

Hindu

Muslim

Riots

[QUOTE who="Arbitrageur"] Hey, MUQ, what's your take on the Bodo Tribe/Muslim violence in your own country? Is this ethnic cleansing or just ancient tribal tradition? http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/10/us-... [/QUOTE] Ans. These are the little games that are played in India with every now and then. Just scores of Muslims are killed in Anti Muslim riots which hardly anyone in India or outside takes any notice of. Most of the world shuns such news as of no importance, Every now and then when the body count is more, some small items come out in world media. Like Gujarat riot of 2002 and Bombay riots of 1993 Etc. And now in the case of Bodo killings of Muslimswhen more than 75,000 peoples have fled from their homes to take shelter in near by cities some thing filters out to world media. Compare that to the voice raised by Indian press and world press and Indian Govt. when 6 Sikhs were killed in USA. It was as if whole Indian community was at risk. Indian PM and Indian Parliament and every one in India raised their voices. What would have been their reactions had it been an attack on a Mosque in USA in which scores of Indian Muslims were killed. Would Indian Govt. take notice. Our Respected and Learned Prime Minister who spoke to Obama to safeguard lives of Indians in USA, made an impotent looking comment on the Bodo Violence in India and that is all. Thousands of muslims were killed in Burma and hardly anyone took any notice in the world. The cheapest blood today in world is that of Muslims, any one can kill any number of Muslims any where in the world and no questions would be asked. If they destroy as many trees, there would be protest by Green peace and who knows what but when Muslims are killed there is no protest, not even a whimper. It is strange that you took notice of Bodo problem in India, and I

Islam

Christia nity

Judaism

[QUOTE who="GM"] I find it amusing that Christianity is (basic)ally Judaism+. and that Islam is Christianity+ and Judaism++. It's like watching a Windows 98 zealot looks down on a Windows 95 zealot while declaring war on Windows 3.1 zealot. [/QUOTE] Ans. No you got it wrong. The religion of God is always same it is called submitting your will to the will of your Creator. In Arabic it is called Islam. So the religion which all prophets followed was Islam. It was neither Judaism , Nor Christianity. Moses did not follow Judaism and Jesus was not a Christian. Moses and Jesus were just the prophets of God in the long chain of prophets which started with Adam and ended with the Last and Final Prophet. Our prophet was the Last and Final prophet in that long chain. It was like a beautiful palace was being built, it will not be called complete unless the last and final brick is in place. Our prophet was that last and final brick in that beautiful edifice. A Muslim therefore believes in ALL prophets of God. Jews and Christians reject at least ONE prophet of God!!

Jews

Moses

Revelatio n

[QUOTE who="HM"] Who spoke to the prophet Moses at the burning bush on the backside of the desert near Horeb? [/QUOTE] Ans. It was God who spoke to Moses from those Bushes. How it happened, we have no real knowledge. We only believe what God says in His book.

Christia nity

Fundam entalist

Signs

[QUOTE who="Verty"] Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian 10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours. 9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt. 8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God. 7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees! 6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky. 5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old. 4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving." 3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity. 2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God. 1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

Hindu

Sikh

Hygiene

[QUOTE who="Curious"] Not that there is much difference between bearded turbaned Muslims and Sikhs so I guess that hygiene standards are also different in Sikhs since they are from India? Another question I want to ask you if anywhere in Quran, the reference of Hindus is mentioned and if yes then which page shall I refer to. I believe that Jesus is mentioned and also Moses and Abraham. Your input on this issue will be highly appreciated. [/QUOTE] Ans. A. Personal Hygiene: Note: This post has nothing to do with religion and it only compares the hygiene in Sikhs and Muslims keeping beards and hairs of the body. Sikh Way: a. They do not shave off any hair from the male body. Including armpits and under navel. b. Since the beard keeps on growing and it becomes difficult to do the daily work, so they use glue and gel and stick it on their face and tie it with a band. c. The hairs on the head keep on growing and can reach upto knee length or lower and it is extremely difficult to do the works, so they gather all of them and use a turban to hide it from public view. d. If a Sikh open his hairs on head and beard, it would be a very strange sight. e. The practice is against normal hygiene and Sikhs are there fore most unhygienic people on the face of earth. f. Not shaving of armpit hairs and under navel hairs is really very disgusting to any one who takes a look at them. Muslim way: a. Muslims are advised to regularly remove armpit hairs and under navel hairs, so their body is very clean. b. Muslims are encouraged to grow beard, but it should be moderate and should be trimmed and taken care of. Muslims wash their full

Islam

Wahabi

Definition

[QUOTE who="Romney"] You are 100% correct. Bush just tortured and Obama murders. BTW: Why did the Wahhabi religion desecrate the graves of great Muslims throughout history, including the prophet Muhammad? [/QUOTE] Ans. I did not know that any Wahabi desecrated any grave of any past Islamic scholar. I did not know any Wahabi desecrated the grave of the Holy Prophet. I even do not know who is Wahabi. I checked in all books of Islamic Jurisprudence and I did not find this world. Can you please tell us, what is this term and what does it means?

Christia nity

Bible

Authentici ty

[QUOTE who="NQ"] Please allow me to tell you something, MUQ. I read and believe the Bible. Granted, there are some things hard to understand, but with time, study, and prayer, it is possible to understand it. I do not know where to begin examining the "Three synoptic Gospels" you speak of, and then of course, I'd have to read them in English. Also, in order for me to know and believe those particular writings, I'd have to know something about their background and transmission or authenticity. So if you want to tell me about those, give me links that are explanatory in a coherent, cohesive way, I'd be willing to look at them. Or, you yourself can tell me about their authenticity, and background. [/QUOTE] Ans. I have no problem if you believe in Bible, Quran came to confirm Bible and not to reject it. But at the same time, every one knows that Bible is not in the exact condition when it was written down. It has suffered in content and in interpretation and in translation in so many centuries. So you need an external source of reference to verify which part of Bible is authentic and which is not. If you use Bible as a reference to correct itself, it would be illogical and not give any result. Fortunately we have Quran which is Pure Word of God and Preserved in its pristine condition since the day it was revealed. It can do the job for you as an external Reference. Regarding Bible and other scriptures, Quran has three positions: a. There are some things which it expressively confirms. b. There are some things which is expressively rejects and. c. There is some thing on which Quran is silent. So the best option would be to consider that part which Quran confirms as 100 % authentic. The one which Quran rejects as unreliable and to be changed. And for the part on which Quran is silent, to keep silent.

Islam

Faith

Natural

[QUOTE who="COR"] 01. our logic has many fatal flaws, not the least of which is your assumption that Islam is based on "Truth and Justice and Reason and Logic". The fact is, it's not based on any of that stuff. It is a faithbased religion, like all other religions. 02. If you were born into a Christian household, you would most likely be saying the same thing of Christianity. If you were born into an Orthodox Jewish household, you would most likely be saying the same thing of Judaism, etc, etc... 03. It is a fact that a majority of people will cling to the religion they are born into and not base their decision on any form of logic or reason. This, in and of itself, reveals your bias and discredits your proposition. 04. Finally, with regards to what is good or bad for society - some things are obvious, and those things are typically shared across all major religions, philosophies and humanistic moral codes. Other things are more subjective. To imply one religion is based on truth and others aren't is a false dichotomy and creates unnecessary friction, and this is NOT good for society. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. You have to come out with any belief of Islam that is not based on reason and logic. Just laying a general statement is not enough. In fact every belief of Islam has a very sound reason and logic and justification and it is only Islam which can face any scrutiny by any unbiased method. 02. If you are born into Jewish and Christian house hold you would say the same things, but when asked to prove them on reason or logic, you would fail!! You ask Christians and Jews about the fundamental article of their faith and reason and logic and truth about it and they start speaking in unintelligible language. Just ask any Christian to explain Trinity to you and please tell me, is it English or some other language he is speaking. 03. It is unfortunate that people cling to religion of their parents without checking and asking questions about it.

Islam

Violenc e

Objection

[QUOTE who="Cheer"] 1. Why? Because Iran' s influence should not spread and the US is not alone in it's worry.. Russia has voiced rare "worry" over Iran's nuclear ambitions as the European Union brought forward a meeting of foreign ministers to decide whether to impose a potentially crippling oil embargo. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/mid... Europe and Russia know the nuttiness 2. Sounds like a drop in the bucket compared to the Syrian slaughter, so why are you "bothering" with Palestine? President Barack Obama has signed a secret order authorizing U.S. support for rebels seeking to depose Syrian President Bashar alAssad and his government, U.S. sources familiar with the matter said. Obamas order, approved earlier this year and known as an intelligence finding, broadly permits the CIA and other U.S. agencies to provide support that could help the rebels oust Assad. This and other developments signal a shift toward growing, albeit still circumscribed, support for Assads armed opponents - a shift that intensified following last months failure of the U.N. Security Council to agree on tougher sanctions against the Damascus government. [/QUOTE] Ans. 1. What is wrong if Iran's influence spread? Do we complain if USA 's influence spreads? Every nation is trying to increase its area of influence, what is wrong if Iran also has the same aim? If you are really "worried" about Nuclear Weapons in that area, why this silence over Israel and its Nuclear Program? Why use double standard in the two cases? 2. I have pity for those Syrian Fighters for whose aid barrack Obama

Christia nity

Gospel

Hearsay

[QUOTE who="NQ"] Let me ask you one question about this, MUQ: Do you agree that ALL the words in the gospel accounts were either hearsay and written not by Jesus, but by someone else? [/QUOTE] Ans. If you want to listen to "spoken words" of Jesus in Gospels, Just listen to "small bits and pieces" where Jesus' own words are reproduced in Original Aramaic in the Three Synoptic Gospels. These are most likely the words uttered by Jesus from his own lips!! And that does not include the last words that came from the one who was on the cross "ELI, ELI, LAMA SABAQTANI" These were uttered by the person who was supposed to have died on the cross and it was not Jesus. Jesus was already taken up into heavens. Rest of the sermons we hear in the Synoptic Gospels are the "Translations of words of Jesus into Greek". Most of them are true, but a Translation is not like the original words spoken by Jesus. Then there have been editing of these words by some unknown hands. But still most words said to be uttered by Jesus in the Synoptic Gospels can be taken as words of Jesus translated. Most of the words of Jesus in the fourth Gospel however are not his own, but of the author who has put his words into mouth of Jesus. This is what I think and Allah Knows Best.

Islam

Religio n

Man made

[QUOTE who="COR"] I know you don't like to hear this, but... Islam is no different than any other religion or ideology. It is man made and morphs based on the needs, desires and intent of its adherents. Those that acknowledge and accept the morphing of political or religious ideology are considered moderate. Those that don't and insist on forcing their beliefs upon others are considered fundamentalists. And both moderates and fundamentalists come in different flavors with different ideas. This applies not just to religion, but political ideology as well. Fundamentalists are the worst because they are absolutists (and often totalitarian) and deny people the freedom of choice, but moderates need to be careful in that they can act as enablers, carving a path for fundamentalism to take root. [/QUOTE] Ans. You have a wrong notion about Fundamentalists. Every Fundamentalist is not bad, it depends on the nature of Fundamentals. If the Fundamentals are good and for the benefit of society, such fundamentalism is also good for the society. If however the fundamentals are bad for the society, then such fundamentalists are bad for the society. For examples fundamentals of Nazism, Fascism and Communism are bad for the society, so the people who are Fundamentalists of these teachings would bring nothing but woe to the society and people should reject them. The same I can say about Fundamentals of Judaism and Christianity, there are lots of truth and good things in their teachings but they have certain critical flaws. In Judaism it is the racism that Jews are Chosen people and Chosen Race and that they are superior to all other people and races in the eyes of God. In Christianity, it is the Divinity of Jesus, Trinity and Jesus dieing for the sins of Humanity So Fundamentalists of these religions shall only bring harm and

Misc.

Religio n

need

[QUOTE who="Ed Sed"] A good education encourages appropriate humility. Knowledge brings only knowledge. Rudeness is one aspect of behaviour and that is determined by our nature and nurture. In a truly free society it is extremely difficult to remove all rude behaviour and language from every single individual. Topix is particularly prone to bad behaviour and the ignorant. As usual, religion helps nothing. [/QUOTE] Ans. You have said very correct things. Current education system only brings knowledge and does not say any thing about rudeness. It is religion and religious teachings that teach people morals and values and how to behave with your colleagues, your elders and your juniors and how to behave in the society. A good religious education should cultivate these values in you, otherwise you only have religious education, just like people have secular education. We have samples of both type on these threads, people who have abundance of Secular education and are very rude and foul mouthed. And we have those people who claim to have abundance of Religious education and are very rude and boastful in their posts. However people who have abundance of Secular Education and are polite and kind in their speech are very few and on the same way, those who have good religious education and are kind and guarded in their speech and writings are also very few.

Christia nity

Jesus

Status

[QUOTE who="NQ"] Briefly, briefly because I am not at my computer until approximately Monday, my God by means of his Son, Jesus Christ, tells me not to get even with people. I like that better than listening to someone who tells me that I can return evil for evil. In fact, I am very grateful that God has blessed me with this information so that I can listen to Him. With that in mind and with the loving qualities that Jesus portrayed while on this earth, I am happy that I know this and also that such a loving God would not torture anyone in such a thing as hellfire [/QUOTE] Ans. Let us wait till Monday for your computer to get repaired. So I think you are posting off the cuff remarks so to say. It is very sentimental and very idealistic and very romantic to issue such statements like Love your enemy and Do not repel evil with evil. These statements are used to tamper justice with mercy. If there be no punishment, the world would come to chaos. These statements are not to be taken literally and at face value. In the personality of God, both Mercy and Justice have their places. He is ready to pardon His servants, provided they ask His Pardon and repent and they correct their ways. But to those who continue to reject His message and challenge His authority .and create mischief on earth and mislead other humans well they shall see the Justice Side of the God. But I think we have moved into the differences!! So let us wait till Monday and hope your computer gets repaired and it would be all normal on the western front.

Jews

Zionism

Oppositio n

[QUOTE who="AB"] t is a strange occurrence indeed, but many people are beginning to unite against Zionism/Fascism globally & the tides have begun to turn. I feel good men (of all or no religions) will triumph in the end. Peace & best wishes. My prayers go out to you. [/QUOTE] Ans. You are right, despite US and Western Media being in vice like Grip of Jews and Zionists and they controlling most of Financial institutions in the World, there is some cracks in their walls. People are asking for real news and they are asking questions as to why they are being denied the truth. Truth has its power of conviction and appealing to peoples minds and hearts. What has west achieved in sucking to these Jews and Zionists for past 60 years? Has it paid back? At what cost? How much damage it has caused and how much suffering and killing and violence and acts of terrorism? Is all that worth just to support a people who do not care about others? People for whom their own homeland is worth millions being killed in one way or other? What is the root cause of all these problems? People are thinking and giving vent to their feelings. It is a small movement at present, but growing stronger. I thank you for your good wishes and support. May peace be with you.

Misc.

USA

Elections

[QUOTE who="Frijoles"] What planet are you on? If Obama gets reelected it isnt because of OBL, its because of universal healthcare and a general wariness of the bumbling idiocy and blandness of his wealthy opponent Mr Romney. OBL doesnt factor that much into it - Foreign policy is not a big thing in this particular election. Generally speaking, most if not all American elections are about the economy anyhow. This one especially. [/QUOTE] Ans. That is what I asked about Obamas achievement during last four years and I was told that finishing OBL was one of them. That is his only Real Achievement, the co called Universal Health Care is an illusion, which is too vague to have its real impact. At the most it is a political scheme, which looks so encouraging at the outset and so impractical on ground. Any scheme which is based on Insurance Companies and Banks and Stock brokers, have to fail in the end, because most of Cream goes into their pockets and poor citizens are left holding the bags, so to say. I am not a US citizen, to see how this scheme shall actually work, but I have a hindsight that few years from now, most US people would curse Obama and his idiotic Universal Healthcare Scheme. If he is able to win re-election based on his Health Scheme he would be the second person to pull wool over the eyes of US voters, GWB the Great was first who got re-elected on the pretext of US is in danger because of Iraq!! How dumb US voters are!! PS: What about that Nobel Peace medal given to Mr. Obama? Was it not a waste of medal? What he did to justify the honor bestowed on him?

Islam

Prophet

Rejection

[QUOTE who="Osirica"] I don't reject the faith of God. I reject Muhammad. I do not need nor have I ever needed Muhammad to teach me that there is and always has been only ONE God. So OBVIOUSLY the Quran is not required for me to have salvation. What the Quran does is that it forces me to worship Muhammad. it is not enough that I worship God, that I acknowledge that God is one and only God. No, for you Muslims, I must also call Muhammad his prophet. Oh really? What about Moses, what about Jeremiah? Why does the pledge leave them out? "There is no god but God and MOSES is his prophet, Abraham is his prophet" Why only Muhammad? Because obviously my reading of the BIBLE did not cause me to stray from knowing that ONLY ONE GOD CREATED ME. So you Muslims need to stop being so arrogant about the Bible, because you clearly do NOT KNOW. And you disrespect God believing Christians by demanding they submit to MUHAMMAD. [/QUOTE] Ans. Dear Osirica Your post clarified the common sickness that most people who claim to follow some Earlier Prophets have. a. They think that it is enough for them to claim that they believe in God and their prophets, even if they reject the Last and Final Prophets. b. They think that if they believe in Last and Final Prophet, that shows they have become slave and servant of the last prophet and God is no longer their Lord.

Islam

Other faiths

Relations

[QUOTE who="Noyb"] Bismillah. 01. No Brother, you have it very wrong about me lol. I do believe that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is His Messenger but my understanding, from what I've learned in my studies (including Surah 2:62) is that you don't have to be a member of the ummah of Muhammad (pbuh) to be accepted by Allah. Surah 2:62: "Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good, they have their reward with their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve." 02. The present day ummah of Muhammad, NO offense meant, has deviated from the path of Muhammad in my judgment. How can there be Sunni & Shia when the Qur'an says be not divided? Surah 3:103: "And hold fast by the covenant of Allah all together and be not disunited. And remember Allah's favor to you when you were enemies, then He united your hearts so by His favor you became brethren. And you were on the brink of a pit of fire, then He saved you from it. Thus Allah makes clear to you His messages that you may be guided." 03. The present day ummah of Muhammad (pbuh) would have to end it's division, sexism, and sprinklings of racism against Blacks before I join it...No thank you, I am very happy following the Prophet Noah. I do enjoy my wine lol... [/QUOTE] Ans. Assalam Alaiykum Brother 01. Pardon me to disagree with you on your interpretation of 2:62. It says that Those who are Muslims, those who are Jews, Christians and Sabians, and believe in Allah, Hereafter and do Good deeds shall get their rewards. It does not say that Jews and Christians and Sabians should continue to reject the last prophet and continue to follow their own path. It refers to people who came before the last prophet or who were his contemporaries but did not receive the message of Islam. For such people, their rewards is from Allah if they are sincere in their faith and follow teachings of earlier prophets. 02. You are right that present day Muslims have deviated from the

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Beliefs

Reasonabl es

[QUOTE who="Osirica"] Here we go, flooding the thread. Why cant you make a point FIRST, then add all this stuff after? Islam is not based on reason. Here is why. It is UNREASONABLE to say that a Muslim man can marry a Christian woman, yet a Christian man cannot marry a Muslim woman. It is UNREASONABLE to allow people to convert to Islam but to condemn people to convert FROM Islam to Christianity. It is UNREASONABLE to criticize the Bible story of LOT yet champion the way Muhammad married Asha and Mothers of the Believers. And nothing in the world can change the fact that the teachings of Muhammad in the Quran are as questionable as anything you criticize. Why must a woman be veiled? Because MEN are weak and cannot control themselves? Why does it say to kill Christians and Jews? Let us find the truth on our own. We do not need to be forced to believe anything. It was wrong for Christians to force their ways on Muslims also. But in the allegedly corrupt BIBLE, Jesus never forces ONE believer. [/QUOTE] Ans. Reasonability and Unreasonability Check List: Let us put to test the cases mentioned and verify if they are Reasonable or Unreasonable: A. Muslims marrying Christian Women while Denying Christians to marry Muslim women: 01. When a Christian women marries a Muslim man, she will find that Jesus is not insulted in her home. 02. Her husband believes that Jesus was a prophet of God and takes his name with respect. So she will not feel any pain. And there are fair chances that she will became a Muslimah and get Paradise in the hereafter

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Other faiths

Relations

[QUOTE who="Noyb"] 01. Yes Brother I know that everyone who submits his or her will to do the Will of Allah (God) is what is called in Arabic "a Muslim." The Western man's ideology is such that he names the religion after the Prophet instead of naming the religion after it's essence. The essence of what all the Prophets taught is obey God or submit your will to do God's Will. This is in Arabic expressed, "Islam." But the Western man calls it "Judaism," "Christianity," and "Mohammedanism" calling it after the Prophet instead of after it's principle (obey God.) I only religiously observe the two laws given to the Prophet Noah (peace be upon him.) I eat pork, am a patron of prostitutes, etc. so I am not Muslim. But I do submit to the Truth that Sabians are recognized by Allah as a true community of Allah. Unitarian Universalism in it's essence is similar to what I learned of the Sabians. [/QUOTE] Ans. A. Religions, how are they named: Brother you are very right that any one and every one submitting his or her will to the will of their Creator is named Muslim (which is a state of belief and not named after any person, any prophet, any nation, any ethnic group or any language). That is why in Quran EVERY Prophet is called as Muslim and no other name. Brother you are also right that it is habit of people that they name their religion after their prophets. It is the action of people which does not has approval from God. B. Harms which this naming has done: And this naming has divided humanity into groups which stand apart. Due to this naming followers of one prophet take upon themselves to curse, insult and mock another prophet of God and they think that they are supporting their prophet. The reality is that no Prophet of God contradicted or insulted any other True prophet of God. One excuse for people to naming their religion after their prophets, could be because in those days, every prophet was sent to his own

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Violenc e

Objection s

[QUOTE who="Shielaa"] 01. I have never been to Afghanistan but I know people who have done a tour of duty in Afghanistan. We are talking about Afghanistan not Saudi Arabia, do you think that they are the same country? 02. The Taliban believe in Allah so why do they destroy schools and kill defenseless women. This is the second time I have asked these questions and you have avoided answering them. Why is that ? 03. Before the Americans came women were not allowed an education. .. they want to be ruled. 04. I mentioned nothing about alcohol, dress apparel you brought that up to deflect from answering the questions that were asked of you. People have the right to freedom of choice, GOD GAVE THEM THAT RIGHT AND ISLAM TAKES IT AWAY. .. 05. You mention education in Saudi Arabia and yet there is no mention of equality of the sexes. Why can women not drive over there. I have many friends who worked over there as nurses in fact I had a position offered to me at the king Fahad hospital in Riyadh but due to the restrictions I chose not to accept the offer. 06. Why can Christians not build churches in Saudi and yet muslims .. 07. Where is the charity from the Arab states to help the people of Afghanistan? .. 08. Yes I do have a heart and that's why I support the education, improved health and the increased freedom that is now available to the people of Afghanistan.

[/QUOTE] Ans. As usual you are trying to increase the circle of our debate. I think that we having almost a one to one chat on this threat at last. A. Eye witness account: So you have not been to Afghanistan. There is nothing to be ashamed about it, because I have also never been to there!! Our

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Violenc e

Taliban

[QUOTE who="NT"] 01. Correct me if I am wrong, aren't the Taliban living their life to the purest meaning of what Muhammad lived and ordered for all men to follow ? 02. So for a lady to be executed for being accused of being an adulterer by a Taliban who has just raped her and then called for her death can only be seen as what Muhammad would have done as the Taliban have done. [/QUOTE] Ans. You have asked two very important Questions, I wish some one other than me would have come forward to answer them instead of me. Let me address these questions in brief? A. Are Taliban following living their lives in accordance of 100 % of what our prophet preached? 01. The answer is simply no!! I doubt that any Muslim will brag and make such a big statement. 02. Our Prophets was a personality like no one else the world has seen!! He was the LAST person to use force if issues were to be solved by peaceful means. And even when using force, he would see to it that the loss of human lives were as low as possible. That is how he conquered the whole land of Saudi Arabia for an everlasting possession in ten years, with the loss of less than 1000 lives on both side!! 03. Look at the records of UN and NATO forces who are in Afghanistan . How much blood shed they have made and what are the results? The fundamental difference between our prophet and these nations is that they are having problem in their very attitude. They are no friends of Afghanistan and its people!! B. Islamic Criminal Law: 04. Our prophet implemented Islamic Criminal Law last and not first!! First he preached the people about fundamentals teaching of Islam. Then he cleansed their hearts, established Economic and Political System of Islam and THEN introduced Islamic Criminal Laws. That is why we find very few cases of theft and murder and adultery

Atheism

God

Existence

[QUOTE who="HF"] This is the sort of hard atheism that asks to be challenged with: if you are so sure, show us your proof. what is the evidence? As an agnostic atheist, who does not believe in a god, but also does not claim to know, I think there is a major difference between my views and those of hard atheists - defined as those who are nonbelievers who claim to know that there is no god, and/or to have proof. My agnosticism is as much a part of my view as my atheism is, and I respect it just as much. I am a hard atheist about only one view of god - as an all good and all powerful being. because of the problem of pain I do not think an all powerful being would be all good. I am even willing to challenge folks to take on my definition of God, and prove it does not exist. My definition is that god is everything that exists, and therefore god exists. Figure that one out. This is called pantheism. God is All that IS, thus GOD IS. I would be curious how folks would reply to that. [/QUOTE] Ans. I seek your pardon to butt into your discussions with Hard Liner Henry. A. Gods Existence: Soft Line versus Hardline Approach: 01. Thank you for your soft atheistic approach towards God. This is much batter that the Hard atheistic approach in which these people Claim to know that God does not exist without giving any proofs whatsoever. 02. Now coming to your Soft approach about God not existing, because you cannot prove one way or the other. . Do you not think that believe in God would be a more logical and reasonable approach than disbelief in His existence? 03. After all we see a lot of things before us, which were created much before us and no one took our advise or opinion about them. 04. Existence of Things is a much strong evidence of existence of its maker than absence of its maker, so logically those who claim existence of God are in superior position than who negate His presence. B. God and Science:

Jews

Isreal

UNO

[QUOTE who="Dave C"] Ans. To A We werent enforcing UN Resolution 687 in 2003. That time had passed. What we were enforcing was the Iraq Liberation Act signed by Clinton in 1998. In 2003, Bush gave Saddam an ultimatum-either leave or we will come in and throw you out. Had Saddam simply left, there would have been no invasion, but he didnt and the problem with ultimatums is sometimes you have to follow through. 3000 people died on 9-11 because the US was still in the Muslim Holy Land. We had promised the Saudis that we would not drag them into a major war and abandon them the way we had the South Vietnamese. As long as Saddam was in power he would be a threat to the regionespecially if he still had WMDs. Once Saddam was removed from power, all US troops were removed from the Muslim Holy Land. Ans. To B We didnt give the Jews anything! There had been Jews in Israel for nearly 4000 years. The only thing that had changed were the rulers so when the chance came with the British getting ready to leave, the Jews simply took it. The same way the Romans took it from them. The same way the Arabs took it from the Byzantines. The same way the Turks took it from the Arabs and the same way the British took it from the Turks. The day after they announce the State of Israel, they were attacked by six Arab armies which they defeated. This was long before we sent any support to them. Why is it Muslim Land? It was Jewish before the Romans took it. It was Christian before the Arabs took it. Is Spain also Muslim Land? Ans. To conclusion If there is no one to enforce international law and order, then there is no international law and order. Nobody listens to the UN. Not the Israelis, not the Arabs, not the North Koreans, not the Russians, not the British, not the Chinese, not the Iranians, not the Pakistanis, nobody not even the US. So why would anyone seek their guidance. [/QUOTE] Ans. My Reply to your post is as follows: A. On Iraq:

Misc.

USA

Syria

[QUOTE who="Kenhurt"] 01. A reference for Thor's numbers, notoriously inaccurate in the past, would help. However, his numbers come to about 2 billion dollars a year. The population of the USA is about 313 million. 02. Russian sales and assistance to Syria in 2005 totaled $4.5 billion, in 2006 totaled $5.5 billion, and in 2008 billions more in combat aircraft, and continued until recent months. Syria has been Russia's largest consumer of military items for some years now, amounting to far more than Israel has been sold or supplied. Iraq had been completely supplied by the Russians/Soviets, far exceeding the $18 billion. Russian military sales to Iran were $8 billion in 2008 alone and have been substantially more than that each year thereafter. So one can see that the $18 billion to Israel really not the tip of an iceberg as compared to the many times more supplied to countries that are open enemies of Israel. However, some of the world's largest providers of bullshit re right here on Topix, and Thor and Muq's posts are good examples. [/QUOTE] Ans. There is a difference between Purchase and sale and between Free Aid. What Russians and US sales are to Muslim countries they are to be paid back in hard cash. However what US gifts and donates and sells to Israel is free!! And what US Govt. gives as largesse to the Zionist and Terrorist state of Israel is only a tip of Iceberg. How much free aid to Israel is collected and is hidden from official eyes is any ones guess. It seems as if US loots from other nations of the world and then it shares the loot with that Zionist and Terrorist state. My posts look offensive to you, because I show you the mirror, while your posts criticising Islam, Muslims Quran and Arabs are nothing and should be just ignored? Is that not a double standard?

Christia nity

Jews

Crucifixio n

[QUOTE who="Shielaa"] 01. The Jews agitated for the death of Jesus but it was the Romans who killed him. Jewish law did not allow for crucifixion as it was a barbaric torture and their laws did not support them doing it. Herod was not a wimp and it was he who ordered the death of Jesus even though he symbolically wiped his hands of the matter. 02. What the Jews hated was being shown their hypocrisy by Jesus. They didn't want to lose their positions of power in the roman empire. Jesus stated give to Caesar what is his and give to God what is his. 03. Christians have moved on from the death of Christ and even though I don't support the catholic church they have apologised for stating that the jews killed him. 04. The jews are most definitely God's chosen people and this really upsets the followers of Allah. He is a false god and always will be. There have always been Jews in "palestine" unlike Arabs 05. The hatred between Muslims and Jews started in the 7th century when Jews denied the false god that was being promoted by Muhammad, so don't lie it is clearly documented in many places in the Koran [/QUOTE] Ans. Let me respond to the creation of History and glossing over your own problems and then putting all blames on Islam and Muslims. A. Romans Killed Jesus: 01. Romans might have killed Jesus, but it was on the insistence of Jews. It were jews who tried jesus in their Sanhedrin and passed guilty verdict against him. 02. Then as they had No Power to kill any one (they were a subject race to Romans) they took the matter to them first to Herod and then to Pontius Pilate. 03. They were 100 % behind Romans that Jesus be crucified and no Jew raised his voice against it. They even said let his blood be on our necks and necks of our future generations Obviously you do not read your own scriptures. 04. Just see how malicious is your conclusion that it were

Islam

Allah

Muslim God

[QUOTE who="Buildme"] I for one know who Allah is he's just the muslim god let's be realistic here, but with all jokes aside, and I see that all of you are arguing about non sense let's ask the real question, and that's how comes we can't get along? Why is religion dividing us? I'm a practicing spiritualist ,and I love my beliefs but I wouldn't force it onto anyone. If you want to know my beliefs then feel free to message me or get in contact with me and I'll share it with you I believe in animism, and I also believe in spirits and I'm a sorcerer to some they might call my beliefs extreme, but to me it's a way of life and it frees me from the crap that you all argue about! I recommend that you all read "How to overcome fear, and start living fearless" it is sure to open your eyes and I bet then you'll understand everything! go to Amazon and get that book

[/QUOTE] Ans. You pose a question, why religions are dividing us, and then you gave your own answer that "Allah is a God of Muslims" In the same way you will say God is for Christian and YHWH the God for Jews and Ishwar the God of Hindus and so on. So as many languages are spoken there will be as many God s!! Is that the scheme to join religions or divide them? You should not look at the names but you should look at the attributed. In Arabic Allah is the name of Unique Creator Sustainer and Cherisher of this universe. There is no other Creator in the Universe beside Him. He has all good qualities and attributes. And He has most beautiful names in Arabic and in all languages of the world. It is when we talk and thing in this way we can remove the hatred and misconceptions against each other..it is then we see that God, Allah, YHWH and Ishwar are same Unique Creator of Universe and no one else.

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Prophet

Jesus

[QUOTE who="Bradock"] Is Allah the same god as the Christians? well lets compare there prophets shall we. 01. Mohammed Said Allah hates those who don't accept Islam. (Qur'an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38) Jesus Said God loves everyone. (John 3:16) 02. Mohammed said "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah" (Muslim 1:33) Jesus said "He who lives by the sword will die by the sword." (Matthew 26:52) 03. Mohammed Stoned women for adultery. (Muslim 4206) Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." (John 8:7) 04. Mohammed Permitted stealing from unbelievers. (Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764) Jesus said "Thou shalt not steal." (Matthew 19:18) 05. Mohammed Permitted lying. (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857) Jesus said "Thou shalt not bear false witness." (Matthew 19:18) 06. Mohammed Owned and traded slaves. (Sahih Muslim 3901) Jesus Neither owned nor traded slaves. 07. Mohammed Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys. (Sahih Muslim 4390) Jesus Beheaded no one. 08. Mohammed Murdered those who insulted him. (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)

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Women

Creation

[QUOTE who="Advocate"] Lilith is in the original Hebraic inscriptions as well as Christian literature, but she is much ignored in the later. What are your theories as to Quranic retellings of the creation of women? ...Now that I think about it, you might want to be interested in joining an interfaith studies programme. You know, discuss Quranic writings with Talmud scholars and Bible scholars. [/QUOTE] Ans. Quran does not say anything specific about how Eve was created. Quranic approach as usual is to speak in general terms, giving hints here and there, but it does not explain how it was done. Because the aim of Quran is to guide people, not to teach them biology, Medicine , or Science. Quran says O Mankind, fear your Guardian Lord. Who created you from a single person, created out of it, his mate, and from these two scattered (like seeds) countless men and women. (4:1) And at many places Quran says that Allah made your mates from your own kinds. Quran is silent if Eve was created from the ribs of Adam or not. About Adam, Quran says that he was created out of dust then Allah blew Soul into it and it came to life. This might agree with what we find written in Bible also. Adams evolution from animals is not acceptable nor hinted anywhere in Quran or sayings of prophet. However in a prophetic tradition, women are referred to as like a rib, if you try to straighten them, they will break, so best way is use them with that bulge But that refers to women folk at large, not how Eve was created. I would be interested in Interfaith study, but it should have a purpose and not to do down any ones faith or blame any one. Jews, Christians and Muslims have many things in common, these are three of the most Monotheistic religions in the world, it is unfortunate that they are fighting amongst themselves as trying to do

Islam

Zamza m

Existence

[QUOTE who="Frijoles"] Thank you for your answer. (I am tempted to say "it is a miracle", but I am holding my tongue) I think in the case of ZamZam it is probably also a miracle that no one has either detrimentally paved over its recharge zone (yet) or fowled its waters through an accidental spill. I have to say I was impressed with the hydro geological analysis in the linked webpage by those Saudi engineers - the Saudis are not very well known internationally for any type of scientific prowess (usually they import the expertise). [/QUOTE] Ans. I think it was also a miracle for God to choose the site for Zam Zam well in the area where it would not be accidentally damaged by the hands of men!! The Zam Zam Well is working because so far no human hand tried to locate and Widen its path etc. That is another miracle that such a well is in continuous operation for past 4000 years. As regards studies by those Saudi Engineers, you do not know how many foreigners actually worked in the project and collected data to Saudi people. But you should not underrate Saudi Engineers not very long ago they were teaching your people the a, b, c of science and technology and medicine and geology and geography and hydrology!! But bad times come in the life of every nation. Too much Poverty and then too much wealth have changed their way of living and working and learning. Allah Knows Best.

Christia nity

Sin

Definition

[QUOTE who="Skeptic"] 01. Sin is the breaking of God's law. If God says "Do not lie" and you lie, then you have broken His law and sinned. When you sin, you offend God because it is His law that you have broken. 02. The law, then, is a standard of moral purity. The Old Testament contains the Law of God. It is a perfect standard because it is God's standard. .. 03. Therefore, breaking God's law brings judgment which is separation from God. " .. 04. If God did not judge the sinner, then He is not upholding His holiness and he would be allowing sinners to go unpunished. 05. Of course, Jesus came to take our place and die for our sins (1 Pet. 2:24). This means that Jesus bore our sin in His body on the cross and paid for them. .. 06. So, replying to the question "What is sin?" is best answered by saying that it is breaking God's law. All people have sinned. Therefore, all people are under God's judgment -- except for those who've trusted in God's provision to escape that judgment in believing in Jesus Christ, God Son. [/QUOTE] Ans. Your post is a mixture of truth and falsehood interlaced one with other. It is this false reasoning that has left you people lopsided in your approach. Let me see if I can clarify some of your mistakes. A. What is Sin 01. You say sin is breaking of Gods law. That is correct but you have to add willful to it. Because if you break law due to ignorance, mistake etc it does not come under sin. So willful breaking of Gods Laws and Commands is a sin which any human does. B. Law of god: 02. Gods laws are mentioned in Torah and in the teachings of Past Prophets of God, that is also correct. C. Effect of Sin

Atheism

Creator

Existence

[QUOTE who="Liberty"] Oh are you basically using the stale old " Look at the beautiful trees! Only a loving God would make that! How could you look at the beauty in the world and think a God didn't create that " argument? LMFAO I didn't ask for your feelings on your Santa in the sky it's nice that the myth brings you comfort as Santa clause brings a child comfort. But your personal feelings do not offer proof. [/QUOTE] Ans. The beauty is the secondary part, first part is the basic creation itself. It is not in any human's power to grow a basic tree itself, forget about the fruits and so many other details!! In Quran Allah says "it is not in their (i.e. human's) power to grow any tree" And when you come to the beauty part of it, the argument gets more sensuous. Look at different fruits, their colors and their taste and even their shape and packing and wonder, could it have happened by themselves? What that has to do with evolution of plants and vegetation kingdom. Just cut open a watermelon and look at the color scheme there, the arrangements of Green, White, Pink and black seeds woven inside!! Can you find a better color scheme? And what that had to do with evolution and to whom the fruit of watermelon was intended? The beauty and proof of Creator and His Wisdom and Mercy and Knowledge are scattered every where in this vast universe, they are so innumerable that we cannot even count it. But there are people like you, who close their eyes to every thing, they have learnt a few Formulas and then they lump every thing under the blanket of Evolution, Big Bang and Nature!! It is you my dear lady that has to open your eye and look around you.

Islam

Miracle s

Definition

[QUOTE who="Frijoles"] What is your criteria for miracle? Every few weeks I cut my toe nails and they grow back. Is that a miracle? When I lived in Arizona, I was tapped into a public water supply that relied on groundwater from deep valley alluvial fill. The age of the groundwater was estimated at over 40,000 years old (through Carbon isotoping). Was that a miracle too? [/QUOTE] Ans. A. What is a Miracle? Any thing in nature which is beyond the capacity and capability of humans is in fact a Miracle. Any thing which happens automatically in nature without needing any human intervention is also a miracle. B. Are Miracles Limited in numbers: No there are billions and trillions of miracles in the Universe and on this planet and even in our own bodies. Every new shoot that comes out of ground is a miracle. Every newly born baby (born healthy and sound) is indeed a Miracle. Your toenails growing, your hairs growing and falling, your digestive system, your nervous system and each and every system working in your body is a miracle. Water stored in underground tanks that do not foul even after 40,000 years of storage is also a Miracle. C. Human Perception of Miracles: Humans usually think any thing that happened once or any act shown by a prophet as Miracle. It is their misconception. These acts are only Miracles that happened once or twice, but miracles that happen over and over again are not seen as miracles because we get used to them and feel confident that nature designed them that way. One Urdu Poet wrote a couplet:

Islam

Allah

Moon god

[QUOTE who="Shielaa"] 1. I am not making excuses I am not worshipping this name what are you talking about? You asked me to explain this name I never said I believed in it. Before you accuse me make sure you know what you are talking about. I can prove that the name allah was a moon god so don't start on me. This name Jehovah is used by JW's. I am not a JW so get your facts right!!!!! 2. It should not come as a surprise that the word "Allah" was not something invented by Muhammad or revealed for the first time in the Quran. The well-known Middle East scholar H.A.R. Gibb has pointed out that the reason that Muhammad never had to explain who Allah was in the Quran is that his listeners had already heard about Allah long before Muhammad was ever born (Mohammedanism: An Historical Survey, New York: Mentor Books, 1955, p.38). Dr. Arthur Jeffery, one of the foremost Western Islamic scholars in modern times and professor of Islamic and Middle East Studies at Columbia University, notes: "The name Allah, as the Quran itself is witness, was well known in pre-Islamic Arabia. Indeed, both it and its feminine form, Allat, are found not infrequently among the theophorous names in inscriptions from North Africa" (Islam: Muhammad, and His Religion, New York: The Liberal Arts Press, 1958, p. 85). The word "Allah" comes from the compound Arabic word, al-ilah. Al is the definite article "the" and ilah is an Arabic word for "god." It is not a foreign word. It is not even the Syriac word for God. It is pure Arabic.(There is an interesting discussion of the origins of Allah, in "Arabic Lexicographical Miscellanies" by J. Blau in the Journal of Semitic Studies, Vol. XVII,#2, 1972, pp. 173-190). Neither is Allah a Hebrew or Greek word for God as found in the Bible. Allah is a purely Arabic term used in reference to an Arabian deity. Hastings' Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics I:326, T & T Clark, states: '"Allah" is a proper name, applicable only to their [Arabs'] peculiar God.' According to the Encyclopedia of Religion: '"Allah" is a pre-Islamic name ... corresponding to the Babylonian

Christia nity

Jesus

Birth

[QUOTE who="Ezdzit"] What I said was: "I think the virgin birth was a lie fabricated by the Roman Church to support the bigger lie that Jesus was a demigod fathered by God." The proof that the virgin birth story is a lie is that according to the writings of Eusebius, the Roman bishop, circa 315 AD, Jesus Apostles considered him a plain and common man, who was justified only because of his superior virtue, and who was the fruit of the intercourse of a man with Mary. The Roman Church ordered copies of the Gospels written by the Apostles to be burned as heretical and wrote the Roman Church's version of the Gospels. I didn't say or imply that it wasnt within Gods power to arrange a virgin birth for Jesus, but I'm saying now that God didn't. Jesus was not a demigod. He was an ordinary man who was able to do extraordinary things in the world because he chose the narrow path. He achieved his amazing mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual power by following that narrow path. He taught his followers that they had the same potential within themselves, could achieve it and do even greater things for the world than he did if they followed the narrow path. [/QUOTE] Ans. When Quran confirms that Jesus was created without any human father from virgin Mary, then it seals the issue for us Muslims. Why should be continue to argue and search thru the defective and confusing and contradicting Church records? When the act itself is not beyond the Powers of God and He confirms it in His Book, then we should but accept it. And getting born without any human father, would not turn Jesus, into God, Son of God, or Demigod . As creation of Adam and Eve before him did not grant any such status to them. That is why, no Muslim raises such questions as Christians are raising that if he had no earthly father, then his father must be God etc. Allah Knows Best

Misc.

Toleran ce

Definition

[QUOTE who="Troll"] Muq, tolerance as i have been taught is the capacity one has to accept what one disapproves of. The disapproval part of it is what makes the term uneasy for me. Plus the fact that something that is tolerated now can be so easily forbidden later on. [/QUOTE] Ans. You see brother, someone follows a religion because he or she thinks that it is the true religion. And that follows automatically that he or she thinks that other religions are either false or not as good as theirs is. This is very natural and logical because no one would like to follow an inferior religion or way of life. But when they have to live in a country where people of different religions and faiths are living, they have to tolerate such people and their religion and do nothing that hurts their sentiments. That is tolerance and co existence which Islam teaches us. You can live with people thinking that they are on wrong path, but do not say words that hurt their feeling or do down their religion and their religious personalities. To say or believe that ALL religions are true and lead to same goal would be a sort of hypocrisy and wrong interpretation of concept of Tolerance in my view. Because when you have contradictory opinions, both cannot be true.

Christia nity

Jesus

Virgin Birth

[QUOTE who="Isdzit"] I think the virgin birth was a lie fabricated by the Roman Church to support the bigger lie that Jesus was a demigod fathered by God. Didn't Joseph Goebbels say something to the effect that the bigger the lie the more people believe it? [/QUOTE] Ans. Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ is not so strange, when we consider that is was an Act of Creation by God of this Universe. Do you mean to say that God of Universe who created such a huge universe and every thing in it which are so complicated is so powerless that He cannot create a human without any male intervention? Yes it was extraordinary , that is why it was a Miracle of God. But it was not Unique, before Jesus, Adam was created without any father or mother and his wife Eve was created without any mother. That is why Quran confirms the Virgin Birth of Jesus.. and justifies it, as it being an Act of God. What Goebbells said was something different. You can include in that Jesus being God and Son of God or God being a Trinity. In such cases the bigger is the lie.more people would believe in it. But you cannot put truth and lies in the same basket. Truths have their own force of conviction and acceptance by the people. Allah Knows best.

Islam

Quran

Semen

[QUOTE who="AB s"] Didn't mean to upset you comrade muq...I admit I know no Arabic and therefore have no idea what interpretation means. I also admit that I am an old man so learning a new language this late in life is not feasible, that is why I seek an honest answer from an honest expert like yourself...so is that a yes or no...does the Quran state that semen comes between the backbone and the ribs? [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. In that case do not try to be an Expert and pass comments on Quran. 02. Just read what Muslim Scholars have written about that verse in their commentaries. 03. I am no expert in Arabic language myself and I am from India and Arabic is not my first language. 04. That is why I keep a low profile and listen to the explanations provided by learned scholars who give their explanations. 05. I just do not fly off my handle and start screaming Quran is not from God, because it says such and such..I keep quite and I ponder on the verses and even if I do not understand the full meaning, I continue my search.till Allah open my hearts to the truth. 06. I would advise the same treatment to you my brother. You do not learn from a book by starting to criticize it at the first opportunity!! 07. One Explanation: One of many explanation put forward by Islamic Scholars on this verse is given below: a. Quran says that humans are created by Water emitted.proceeding between backbone and the ribs b. So the emitted water is produced between parts that are between backbone and the ribs.that shows that other parts of the body has very little effect on the production of this water. c. We see that people who are blind, deaf or without arms and legs can still perform the sexual life d. But if there is some problem in humans internal parts and organs, the production of semen is affected and they cannot perform their sexual activities.

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Muslim s

Sins

[QUOTE who="Skeptic"] But Muslims do not obey Gods laws MUQ. Muslims willfully break Gods laws under the command of Mohammed. And Muslims live their whole life in sin against God. Muslims present them self to world as followers of Satan. [/QUOTE] Ans. Muslims try to follow all the laws of God to the best of their abilities. We follow the laws of God from Other scriptures that were not amended by the Last and Final Prophet. It is same as Jesus modified many laws of OT books and Christians do not commit sins if they follow instructions of Jesus and not those of OT books. In the same way, Muslims commit no sins if they follow on the instructions of our prophet. Your situation with regards to our prophet is the same as Jewish position in regards to Jesus. In the eyes of Jews all you Christian people follow the path of Satan and live in the life full of sin!! A: Solution for Co-existence: I think instead of trying to demonize and do down each other, why should we not try to co-exist and live side by side with each other. As usual Quran has various solution for this. Some of the solutions are: a. Coming on the Common Terms: Quran says that O people of Book! Let us come to a common term between one and another. That we only worship one God and make no partners in His worship, and we do not take amongst ourselves lords and patrons other than God. b. Strive in doing good deeds: Quran says that we should strive and race in doing good deeds That is much better than trying to hurt and trying to criticise each other.

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Quran

Semen

[QUOTE who="ABs"]<quoted text> So is that a yes or no? does the Quran state that semen comes between the backbone and the ribs? And do you believe it? [/QUOTE] Quran's statement is 100 % correct, only YOU have problem in understanding it. That is why I referred you to the commentaries written by Muslim Scholars explaining this verse. But you would rather be read just the translation and start beating your own trumpet. That is the problem with you guys, you do not know Arabic and how each word is translated and what different shade of meanings it had and how these shades change with increasing human knowledge. A word which had one shade of meaning at some stage of human development, could have a different shade at a later stage. If it was an human effort, it would never be up to date with changing human knowledge, but since it is Word of God, so the words are chosen with so much care that they are always current with changing human knowledge. That is the beauty of Quran!! It is always current and "more advanced" than our human knowledge. Still it has so many hints that can help humans in their scientific research, who could guide us better than our Creator, the Creator of Universe and every thing in it? But Muslims have gone down in scientific research in the world and lack the drive to go for it.....the adversaries are "wasting their time" in "trying to prove" that Quran is not from Creator and handiwork of the prophet. So you take up research in this field and find out what this Quranic verse really means and how scientific it is as on date!!

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Sin

Definition

[QUOTE who="Buford"] Sin = disobeying God.

[/QUOTE] Ans. So the definition of Sin is a two letter definition and you have dragged your feet for so long to paste it.!! And this two letter definition is also defective !! Let me clarify it: Sin = Willful Disobedience of God The word Willful is very important!!. Because disobeying any of God decrees of laws or Commands due to Forgetting, Ignorance, does not come into sin. Then as you said the Sins are of two types: A. Bigger Sins: Also called KABIRA, these are sins which are very clearly mentioned either in the book of God or thru the lips of Prophets of God: B. Smaller Sins: Also called SAGHIRA, which are disobeying God in implied matters or reaching perfection. C. How to nullify Sins: Only way to nullify the affects of sins is to ask forgiveness from God and repent. When some one has truly repented and asks God for forgiveness with his heart, God forgives the sins, both major and minor (except when it involves causing harm to some individual, in that case, the individual has to be compensated or he should agree to pardon the doer of sin). Now you said that our prophet was a sinner (God Forbid)

Christia nity

Gospel

Authentici ty

[QUOTE who="Ezdit"] The Book of James was written by Jesus younger brother. James grew up with Jesus in Nazareth, took over leadership of his followers after Jesus Ascension, and chose to be murdered by the Pharisees rather than renounce his belief in Jesus. MUQ wrote: <quoted text> Bulk of writings are from Paul, who was not a chosen disciple from Jesus and Jesus never met him or taught him anything. Paul believed Jesus appeared to him, spoke to him, chose him, and taught him as a disciple. And he, like eleven of the other disciples and James, was willing to die rather than renounce his belief in Jesus. MUQ wrote: <quoted text> What other disciples did, no one knows it, there are many apocrypha books attributed to these disciples but they are rejected as rubbish by the Church. What the Roman Church says is or isnt canon has lost improtance since the printing press was invented and the Reformation movement began. MUQ wrote: <quoted text> So the only reliable sources to know what Jesus taught are the four Gospels. In the Epistles of Disciples, there is hardly any quotation from Jesus, these people are talking of their own. What problem do you see with this? Quality or quantity? [/QUOTE] Ans. To: Kenhurt and Ezdit and others My comments about Chosen Disciples of Jesus and their contribution has caused much interest on this thread, I would like to clarify my position so that there is no confusion. A. Status of Chosen Disciples of Jesus in Islam: 1. Muslims of the world have nothing against the chosen disciples of Jesus Christ. There is not a single verse in Quran that says anything against them. 2. Muslims believe that they faithfully followed the teachings of Jesus Christ and tried to propagate them into the world. 3. We also believe that in that propagation, they had to face stiff resistance from Jews and the Roman Empire and many were martyred and many were forced to exile.

Atheism

Creator

Existence

[QUOTE who="Jack"] Apparently, you have never heard of Isotopes.- Atoms having the same number of protons, but different numbers of neutrons, represent the same element, but are known as different isotopes of that element. The isotope for an element is specified by the sum of the number of protons and neutrons. Examples of different isotopes of an element are carbon 12(the most common, non-radioactive isotope of carbon) and carbon 14 (a less common, radioactive isotope of carbon). I find other flaws in your essay that would bore the socks off me to recount. I do not mean this in a demeaning way, it would just be too boring. [/QUOTE] Ans. Contrary to what you assumed, I have heard about Isotopes and I do not know what is the purpose of your mentioning it in the context of the post of Mr. Yahya which I posted. He is not writing a book on Physics, this is a general subject, showing the power and wisdom of our Creator. He explained what an atom is supposed to be in common terms, if there are many Isotopes of the same element, they are also created by the same Creator and they also have a purpose. The Isotopes are also well known and well formed and it is not random that any element would have as many isotopes as it wishes. The discussion is about the Creator, His Power and His knowledge and His Wisdom, not a lecture on physics. I thank you for your effort to teach us about Isotopes in very easy to understand language though!!

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Scriptur e

Translatio n

[QUOTE who="Frijoles"] You didnt read my post (or you didnt understand it) I was not juggling anything b/c I wasnt trying to deemphasize anything. I was just correcting Planet Skeptics translations - He started it by quoting a whole other verse and attributing to it to the ten Commandments.... Mellow out. [/QUOTE] Ans. I did read your post and I stand by my observation that you are engaging in only wars of words. Now you understand the difficulties in translating scriptures from one language to another and how wise were Muslims to demand universal reading of Quran in its original Arabic Script. No human translation can take the place of Original Words of God. Now coming to the present discussion Sayings versus Commandments what is the big difference between the two? What God said in those sayings was not just for hearing, it was for men to comply with it and that is what is meant by Commandment (as per my limited knowledge of Practical and common sense English language). These sayings are very fundamental for building a human society in accordance with the God Wishes and that is why they are called as Ten Commandments. But Gods sayings or Commandments are not limited to these ten, there were many Sayings and Commandments from God to Moses and other prophets and they are also recorded in various places in the scripture. I hope that I have clarified the matter.. I wish you will reply after reading my post, I mean full post!!

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Scriptur e

Translatio n

[QUOTE who="frijoles"] Exodus 20 (1) V'daber elohim at kol ha'devarim ha'aleh l'amor 1 And God spoke all these words, saying: ---------NOTE: They are introduced as SAYINGS (Devarim), not commands.... The word "commands" in Hebrew is "mitzvot". The Torah in that verse does not use the word mitzvot. The label "Ten Commandments" are a misnomer - they are really the Ten Sayings Its all Charlton Heston's fault ((SCHOLAR - this was the homework I assigned you a few days ago that you were too lazy to follow up on)) [/QUOTE] Ans. Thanks for the info, but I feel that you are just trying a verbal jugglery. If Gods Sayings are translated as Commandments what is wrong in it? Do you mean to say that God just said those things in passing? Was there no emphasis that humans should follow them? This is the verbal jugglery which I noticed in you when we were discussing about OT and TANAKH issue. Sometimes too much knowledge also acts as a barrier.

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Creator

Existence

[QUOTE who="Henry"] 01. One is for a 100% sure: There never was a "creator" or a similar myth. 02. We do not know what the world is, but what we know is not to know how big the universum is. 03. Religion gives us a wrong idea of our world. So religions are more or less fairy tales. Science is the only and SOLE news we have about the world. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Just because you keep on repeating there is no Creator, it would become true. You have to prove that there is no creator or things can create themselves and the physical laws can create themselves. Unless you are able to prove and demonstrate them, your rantings are like one who closes his eyes and shouts, it is nighttime when actually it is day time with sun shining brightly. Every thing in our Universe is crying with a loud voice, I am created by the same Merciful Creator, who created everything else in this universe. 02. What we Know about our world and universe is much less than what is hidden from our eyes. Do you think sending a few probes and putting a telescope out there has answered all our questions and provided us with all answers? 03. I do not know about which religion you are talking about, In Islam and in Quran we find a very clear idea about their creation. What is science and how did it originate? From where the scientists are getting these brain waves? Why scientists of our times are asking questions and getting ideas which scientists of bygone days were unable to ask? These are the questions that demand answers. But people like you are just repeating parrot like there is no creator, there never was a creator What you need is just a feel of death and death pangs would provide all answers to your rant There is no Creator, there was no Creator because that would be the time when you will be going

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Quran

Difference s

[QUOTE who="Anon"] 1. Is that why you guys use modern arabic? Is that why you guys can't agree on the meaning of simple phrases in the Quran, yet alone translate them satisfactory? It's funny you know, who you guys can't even interpret the dress code, and yet we could right up a dress code and translate it close to perfectly in any number of languages. Don't you ever think it's odd how its only Quran's Arabic which has these basic problems. kinda shoots your 'perfect' Quran Arabic down in flames, doesn't it. 2. The Quran isn't original text if it was done by the 3rd caliph now is it. Thank you for admitting that your Arabic was doctored by a later source. Why don't you tell us why the actual original copies of the Quran aren't in existence. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Why are you picking on Quran? Are Translators of your own scriptures are 100 % agreeing on every word and every phrase of your own scriptures? Why then there are so many translations and so many versions of your own holy scriptures? Quranic Arabic is still spoken and as easily understood as in the days gone by. There is no other language which has changed so little over such a long period as Arabic and it is solely due to Quran. Quran does not recommend a dress code if that it what you are trying to mean, probably you have never opened Quran and read what it says. 02. If 3rd Caliph could write Quran, then what prevents from other people doing the same? Why no one is able to do what 3rd Caliph could do single handedly? All these allegations against Quran are answered by Quran itself when it challenged all doubters to bring another book like it. And this challenge is still open today, why dont you try yourself and bring something better than what 3rd Caliph wrote!!

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Muslim s

Palestine

[QUOTE who="WW Man"] Thank you for an interesting reply. What baffles me and quite a lot of people here is why when as you have stated there is much work to in India do you spend so much time on the Palestinian cause does the hatred of Jews excite you? Do your brothers l wont say sisters as they really don't count matter? l didnt say being Christian guarantees wealth but religion should always be separated from government. [/QUOTE] Ans. What baffles me is that you still have time to keep on commenting on my posts, have you solved ALL your problems of unemployment, economic slowdown, inflation, domestic violence, alcoholism, AIDS, drug addiction, sexual perversion, racism, thefts, robberies, murder.etc? When you leave all those problems and continue to follow my posts that criticise Jews, why cant I do the same and leave India and Indian problems and have a little fun on these threads? Saying that religion should always be separated from Govt. means that you have a part time religion, it is like a shirt which you wear when you are in home, and when you go on job, you replace that shirt with another shirt. If this is what you mean, then you do not understand what religion is. And this is because teachings of Christianity are incomplete and you have no instructions from your prophet as to how to run the matter of state, because he never got the opportunity to do so. Why you imply your deficiency to other religions especially Islam, which gives directions for each walk of life? Your ignorance cannot be the guiding force for others, that is why we ask you to study Islam and then find logical and reasonable fault in its teachings.

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Women

Hijab

[QUOTE who=" "] [/QUOTE] Ans. In France after picking groceries in the supermarket, a Hijabi sister stood in the line to pay. After a few minutes, her turn came up at the checkout counter. The checkout girl was a non-Hijabi Arab Muslim girl, began to scan the items of the Hijabi sister one by one, and after a while looked at her with arrogance and said: We have many problems in this country & your Hijab is one of them! We, immigrants, are here for trade and not to show our Religion or history! If you want to practice your Religion and wear Hijab then go back to your Arab country and do whatever you want!!" The Hijabi sister stopped putting her grocery in the bag and lifted up her Hijab The checkout girl was in total shock. The Hijabi girl who was blonde with blue eyes told her: "I am a French girl, not an Arab immigrant. This is my country and THIS IS MY ISLAM. You born Muslims sold your Deen and we bought it from you!"

Christia nity

Homose xuality

Onansim

[QUOTE who="Eric"] 2. The punishment of death was not for the Onanism. 3. Moreover, it was not man that killed Onan in response to a law. Remember this was before Moses. It was G-d personally that killed Onan. If you have a problem, you need to reflect upon it with G-d. [/QUOTE] Ans. 1. What is Onanism? This is a new phrase for me? Your mind is so fertile, you create a sect and a philosophy in no time, and what is amazing, these weird names get so many followers. 2. So before Moses it was all "free for all" in this world, there were no laws no regulations and no guidance. Every one was "free" to do what ever he or she liked, is that what you are trying to tell me? I have no issue with God about Onan, in most probability it is a made up story. God does not intervene in such small matters.

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Quran

Non Arabic Words

[QUOTE who="Shiela"] 01. I am not the one stating that the only words in the Koran are Arabic. I have not stated that words other than English have been used in the bible. These are the scholars who I have already posted to you. Many great MUSLIM teachers DO NOT believe the Bible has been corrupted and ACCEPT the authenticity of our PRESENT New Testament texts. 1. Ali al-Tabari (died 855) accepted the Gospel texts 2. Amr al-Ghakhiz (869) " " " " 3. BUKHARI (810-870) " " " " ( 4. Al-Masudi (956) " " " " 5. Abu Ali Husain Bin Sina (1037)" " " 6. AL-GHAZZALI (1111) " " " " (probably the greatest Muslim scholar he lived after Ibn-Khazem but did not accept his teachings) 7. Ibn-Khaldun (1406) " " " " " 8. Sir Sayyid Ahmad Khan, 9. Fakhruddin Razi, .. In the end we see that the popular Muslim view that Christians and Jews have corrupted their Scriptures fails. It fails to find support among the Quran, the Hadith, or wide support among Muslim scholars. 2. We know Arabic is a written language but it wasn't being used at the time the Koran was being written. I see you have avoided the truth yet again. speaking the language and writing the language are two different things You have also avoided stating how the koran was spread to non Arabic speaking people. Freedom fighter is right you are one weasel There are more than 6000 texts that support the authenticity of the scripture. [/QUOTE] Ans.

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Other faith

Relations

[QUOTE who="Shiela"] 01. You can be as sarcastic as you like but the facts are you have not answered the inconsistencies in the Koran. .. 02. You deny your own scholars and scholars from Christianity and Judaism who have done years of study on the subject and who agree that the torah and the new testament have not been altered. Your own prophet confirms it 03. At the time of Muhammad, Arabic was not a written language. .. 04. Until the rise of the Quran, Syria was the medium of wider communication and cultural dissemination for Arameans, Arabs, and to a lesser extent Persians. 05. If the Koran can only be understood in Arabic how was the message preached to non Arabic speaking people during the time of Muhammad and to this day? The answer is above. The Koran also contains nearly 200 words that are not Arabic. 06. It is you who is twisting and turning in your seat as there is no original Koran. .. 07. The Jews and Christians didn't want a bar of it and that is why the prayer direction was changed to Medina. Mohammad changed things to suit his own purposes not God's [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. I am being Sarcastic: I am not being sarcastic at all, I am amazed that you use different standards for Quran and Bible. In case of Bible, every so called mistakes, errors, discrepancies and simply glossed over, while in case of Quran much lesser numbers of these (that too in your own biased ways) as undeniable proofs that Quran cannot be from God. 02. Muslim Scholars have Confirmed that Torah and New Testament have not been changed? Please let me know the names of Such Islamic Scholars and what positions they have in Islam. In fact anyone and every one who has studied the history of these

Christia nity

Bible

Authentici ty

[QUOTE who="Shiela"] 01. In reply to the bible being changed: The bible today is the same as the bible was in the 7th century. 02. The Quran declares the Bible to be a true revelation of God and demands faith in the Bible. Sura 2:40-42,126,136,285; 3:3,71,93; 4:47,136; 5:47-51, 69,71-72; 6:91; 10:37,94; 21:7; 29:45,46; 35:31; 46:11 03. While Muslims all over the world charge Christianity and Judaism with changing and corrupting the Bible, such charges are not explicitly made even once in the Quran or the Hadith, their own authoritative scriptures. 04. claim that the bible has been corrupted is based on the fact that if you believe what the bible says then your scriptures must be wrong (which they are) and islam falls down in a heap. Mohammad believed in it in his day. The bible that was written before him and after his is the same. There are over 6000 manuscripts to support this. [/QUOTE] Ans. So here are you with your new pearls of Wisdom, let us analyze more salient of them: A. Bible being same as it was in 7th century: How idiotic is your statement you can yourself see. When we see before our own eyes different versions of Bible, how can we say that Bible today is same as it was in 7th Century? 1. We have RC Bible with 73 Books and Protestant Bible with 66 Books, was that the same in 7th century? 2. We have KJV and then we have RSV, many verses from KJV are removed from RSV, was that the same situation in 7th century? 3. Then we have NIV, NKJV, Jehovahs Witness version and innumerable versions of Bible This is what we see before out own eyes, how can we simply believe your statement that Bible is same as it was in 7th century?

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Doggin g

Definition

[QUOTE who=" "] [/QUOTE] Ans. Signs of Developing Human Societies- MUQ Dogging (sexual slang) From Wikepdia, the free encyclopaedia Dogging is a British English euphemism for engaging in sexual acts in a public or semi-public place or watching others doing so.[1] There may be more than two participants; both group sex and gang banging can be included. As observation is encouraged, voyeurism and exhibitionism are closely associated with dogging. The two sets of people involved often meet either randomly or (increasingly) arrange to meet up beforehand over the Internet.[2] Dogging started in the later part of the 20th century, in the UK, with locations mainly being public car parks and lay-bys (usually on quiet country roads) with activity normally taking place after dark. Doggers would usually leave their interior lights on in their cars so that other doggers would know that they too were doggers. Some would flash their headlights at other cars or flick the interior light on-and-off briefly. These are the most common signs to show that one is a dogger, and are also the signs used by gay men who use lay-bys as cruising grounds for sexual activity. Many dogging locations are used by both straight doggers and gay men. In September 2003 the BBC[3] reported on the 'new' dogging craze. They cited the Internet and text messaging as very common ways of organising meetings. The original definition of dogging and which is still a closely related activity is spying on couples having sex in a car or other public place.[4] There is some evidence on the Internet that the 'craze' has recently begun to spread to other countries, such as the U.S., Canada, Ireland, Australia, Barbados, Brazil, the Netherlands, Norway,[5] Poland,[6]

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Quran

Authority

[QUOTE who="Reason"] 01. The Quran is only one, of many holy books. None have any more validity than the others. 02. The three Abrahamic religions actually have less reason for validity, than most of the others. They are all flawed to the point of being a joke, when claimed to have been from the creator of all things. 03. The flaws are evident in first of all, the books, then the claims of creation fail dismally, add in the design flaws of most things, but especially the human body. 04. Then look at the thought that what is created in it's image, is a complete failure, in reflecting it's god. When you look at mankind, you will find that the god reflects man, and that is as it should be. Man after all, created the gods in his own image. [/QUOTE] Ans. You name yourself Reason Personified; and based on my experience of many years on these threads, any persons choosing Qualitative Pseudo Names for themselves behave in exactly opposite way!! And this is a type of sickness; you dispose of most difficult part in the name itself. And this sickness is uniform. - The rule by minority and pressure groups is named as Democracy. - Nations calling themselves Social Democratic Republics are mostly Single Party Dictatorships. - Sodomy and Lesbianism are named as gays and Homosexuality and Normal behaviour it called Heterosexuality, giving false indication that they are two sides of the same coin. - Narcotics and Alcohol imbibing are named as Drugs and Drinks, indicating that they are harmless and normal. - Sexual exploitation of womens body is called Women Freedom and Women Empowerment and Equal rights etc. - Killing unborn babies is termed as Family Planning etc. etc.

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Meat

Halal

[QUOTE who="AA"] Medical tests? Compared to what, using a club? For it to be Halal, it must be slaughtered using one strike across the neck, and the animal must be fully conscious throughout this procedure. Using a small electric pulse to the temples to render the animal unconscious (so it doesn't feel anything), is non-Halal. It's impossible to cause 'least pain' with a Halal procedure, even if those doing it aren't sadistic mongrels who enjoy seeing things in pain. [/QUOTE] Ans. I think you are going too emotional to describe the procedure. A small pulse to make the animal unconscious will still make the meat Halal!! Halal means name of Allah must be taken at the time of slaughter and animal should be able to react when its main arteries are cut in one swift motion. I cannot say that the procedure is entirely painless, how it can be? But this is nature, Allah has allowed us meat of these animals and we must thank Allah for His Mercy. But Islamic / Jewish method of slaughter is the least painful of all other modern options that our modern technology has devised. I do not know from where the sadistic part is introduced in the debate? If someone is filled with joy to kill an animal or likes them being killed for the sake of killing only, then he is a mental case and should be placed in a padded cell. We are speaking about normal people and normal procedure.

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Quran

Contradict ions

Real Contradiction of Bible: It is good that our honorable lady has opened the gate of Contradictions in Quran. Readers have seen how flimsy are the contradictions regarding Quran. Now let us look at some Real Contradictions in the Bible. In fact total numbers of contradictions in Bible are so many that many pages would be needed to list the entire list. I will just take the trivial issue of Jesus Genealogy as mentioned in the Gospel of Matthew and in the Gospel of Luke and the details mentioned in the Books of Samuel 1 and 3 and Kings 1 and 2. Then you will see what are the Real Contradiction and let us see how our lady turns and twists to justify these two records: 1. Who is the father of Joseph the Carpenter? A. Matthew: Jacob (1:16) B Luke: Hali (3:23) 2. From whom Jesus descended? A. Matthew: From Solomon the Son of David (1:7) B. Luke: From Nathan, the Son of David (3:31) 3. Forefathers of Jesus : who were they? A. Matthew: They were all Kings till the deportation to Babylon (1:7-11) B. Luke: They were common people about which there is no record (3:24-30) 3. Who is the father of Salathiel? A. Matthew: Jechoniah (1:12) B. Luke: Neri (3:27 4. Who is the son of Zerubbabel? A. Matthew: Abiud (1:13) B. Luke: Resse (3:27) C. Chronicle-;1, Meshullam and Hannaniah (3:19-20) 5. How many generations from David to Jesus? A. Matthew : 26 (1:8-16)

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Paradise

Houries

[QUOTE who="Quuine"] Why don't you tell us about houris then, habibi? They don't menstruate, crap or pee, and they're transparent. That doesn't sound very "natural" to me; in fact it sounds f***ing crazy! But then, it all does. That's just one of the more glaring examples, next to the 72 virgins, or white raisins, or what the hell ever. Great religion you have there, "Desert Gomer." Why yes, it is -- among much other useful information! [/QUOTE] Ans. I do not know whether you be male or female habibi. a. If you are a female, I can understand your "jealousy" hearing about some one who is "more beautiful and superior to you". But you need not worry, if you be one of Believing Women destined to heaven, you shall have all those qualities too and your Creator would grant you "Extra grace and beauty" than those Houris!! b. If you are male, then why should you "object" to have a better and more beautiful companion than these "inferior women" of this earth? But if you really object to have beautiful women of Havens created for righteous servants of God Almighty, you could always refuse the, There are many who refuse the best food cooked by renowned chefs of the world and pick there food from garbage cans. c. Then I do not understand, why people "object" on the qualities of these women of Paradise? Do they want that the same toilet and napkin system should continue in heaven also? Do they want the same sewerage system of earth being used (with choked sewers and overflowing smelling water etc) to be working there also? They do not understand that toilet system on earth is because humans eat the material food to grow and to survive, but in heavens they will not eat to survive, they will eat to enjoy. On this earth people have sex so that human race may continue, in Heavens they will have sex only for enjoyment and for relaxation. These are "fundamental differences" about life on this earth and life in the Hereafter.

Islam

Quran

Objection

[QUOTE who="Mahmood"] MUQ, can you find me a verse from the Koran that tells us that irrespective of whatever religion or belief a person adheres to, if that person does good in this world for example feeding the hungry and helping the poor, that person will go to heaven? [/QUOTE] Ans. This is in answer to the post of Mr. Mahmood: A. Islam the Only Religion: First of all, Quran says that all prophets of God preached the same message of islam, which consisted of Worship Only One True God, shun worship of false gods and idols etc, and follow the teachings of your prophet. This is the Islam which started from Adam, the first man and the first prophet and continued till the Last and Final Prophet. B. True Followers of Every Prophet shall go to Paradise: So each and every prophet and those who believed in those prophets and did good deeds are entitled to go in heaven. C. Faith and Good deeds: Faith alone and good deeds alones have no standing in the eyes of God, they both must appear together. Because Faith without good deeds shows that the person in hypocrite in his believes. And Good deeds with out faith have no value in sight of God, because there is no intention to please God, so why would God reward such a person D. Last prophet and His mission: Mission of each and every prophet of God was only limited to their individual nations and people and also had time limit. The Mission of Last and Final Prophet of God is for entire humanity and it had no time limits. E. What will happen to followers of Past Prophets after the Advent of Last Prophet:

Christia nity

Jesus

Mission

[QUOTE who="Truth"] Though I am not a Christian, I respect Jesus for his love for humanity. He did not hate anyone. Jesus' mission was not a failure. What Jesus achieved was very rare. Jesus did not die an ordinary death. He sacrificed his life for humanity. It would be wrong to say that Jesus was inferior to Muhammad. [/QUOTE] Ans. Brother you judge me wrong. As a Muslim I also have highest respect for Jesus, He was one of the Most Distinguished of all prophets sent on this earth. What I write on these posts is for the Christians, who claim somethings he never did or he never claimed. So these are only for the sake of argument and not real charge against him or his personality. No Muslim can say anything bad about Jesus, because he will no longer be a Muslim then. We go one step ahead of you and say that Jesus never died on cross and he was never killed, God saved him from the hands of his enemies and took him up bodily into heavens from where he shall descend towards the end of time. All these stories that he died for sins of human kind and gave up his lifeetc. were concocted by his Extremists Followers later on and St. Paul was the most vocal in forwarding this thing and which Later Day Christians accepted as a Fact.!!

Islam

Women

Marriage

[QUOTE who="FF"] If you have a daughter. I just hope for your daughter's sake, that your daughter's mother does not see her Daughter if she was menstruating at age of 9 or even up to age of 16 that she is now a woman. Would you MUQ hand over your daughter's hand in marriage at the age of 13 presuming she has had her menses for the past 2 months to the local Imam, or Mufti? Facts are that statistically Indian women have their menses around 12.7 years. If you answer is yes to the above question, I would say MUQ you are a mentally sick man. [/QUOTE] Ans. The Question is not what I will do as an individual. The Question is what is law and if someone does a thing, is it lawful on unlawful. Like in Western countries, once you reach the age of 18, you are free to marry. Does EVERYONE is west marries when he or she becomes 18? No, it is as per their choice. But no one can put a blame of any one marrying once they reach that age. So is in islam, the Legal age of marriage is when they have reached the age of marriage. If some one marries before the age of marriage, it is unlawful , otherwise it is allowed. I know all this discussion about age is to malign our prophet and his marriage to Lady Aiyesha. That is why I am giving you a legal answer, that there was nothing unusual and anything which can blame our prophet for marrying someone who had reached the natural age of marriage. If you call that sickness, then I am proud to be a sick man!!

Islam

Bible

Quotation s

[QUOTE who="Eric"] Why, then, does Muhammad quote from the Talmud in the Quran? 005.032 YUSUFALI: On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. ---------Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world. - Sanhedrin 37a [/QUOTE] Ans. I think you forget that Quran Confirms the revelations that come before it as well as to guard them. Our prophet did not Quote from Either OT books or Talmud or NT books, simply because he did not know how to read and how to write!! What he dictated to his disciples was from revelation which he received from Archangel Gabriel. (You keep forgetting this very basic thing). There is no Verbatim Quotation in Quran from ANY of Arabic version of TANAKH or Talmud or OT or NT books. Even in this quotation, Quran makes an exception for Lawful killing while from Talmud, it seems that killing in any pretext is not allowed. So Quranic version is More Practical and applicable than the Talmudic version which is More Philosophical but impractical Perhaps that gives an insight on how Quran copies from old Scriptures!!

Islam

Prophet

Revelatio n

[QUOTE who="FF"] 01. Many educated Muslims ask was there an Angel in the cave with the Prophet Muhammad. Many educated Muslims ask how come that as soon as the Prophet Muhammad wanted something all The Prophet had to do is pop into the cave and Hokus Pokus the request was granted, however no one heard the Angel granting any thing. Was like Muhammad had a magic wand all he did was wave his wand and whatever Muhammad wanted, Muhammad got. 02. No one is denying the existence of Muhammad he left to much carnage behind to deny such a man same way no one denies that Hitler never existed. 03. MUQ you post a lot of crap for a man that the Muslims killed your ancestors, and not only killed your ancestors they made you into slaves and they did not stop there, they took away your peace loving Gods. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. The Questions educated Muslims are asking about our prophet are also being asked from Educated Christians and Educated Jews about their prophets also. Like whom did Moses meet in that Bush? Did sea actually parted? Etc. etc. And Was Jesus really born out of a Virgin? Did he really show those Miracles or did he really exist at all? So we are not afraid of questions being asked about our prophet from these educated Muslims. What we say is that Quran is the result of these meetings, if you are in doubt about the meeting, bring a book like Quran!! That will be enough. 02. You say no one denies existence of our prophet and here is Ms. Sheila doing just that!! You reason with her. 03. I simply do not accept that charge. I am sure that our ancestors when they saw the beauty of islam, they entered into the fold of Islam with their own free will. You prove to me that any other religion is better than islam and I

Islam

Prophet

Chosen

[QUOTE who="Advocate"] 01. All religions and/or ethnic group have dubbed themselves the "Chosen People" because of their perceived favour with their patron gods/god/Gd, spirits, ancestors, and such, not just Jewish people. 02. Adolph Hitler stated that the "Aryan race" was the "chosen race" and even the Christians and Muslims claim divine favour. There are racist people every where and they are not exclusive to few groups. 03. We do not proselytize because, unless people want to convert, we have no business in their religion or their personal beliefs. And I'm not quite sure what you are getting with the "prophet" thing; Moses was a prophet, as were Ezekiel, Rachel, Job, Abraham, Isaiah, Miriam, and Malachi, among others. They were very much alive and well, weren't' they? 04. And every single religious book has wise sayings and harmful sayings. The Torah is violent, the Bible is violent, the Quran is violent, the Vedas are violent, and hundreds of others. All religious books have contradictions and supports at the same time. You quoted a favorite verse from the Quran, so now I would like to share a quote from the Talmud: 05. "Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world." (Jerusalem Talmud, Sanhedrin 4:1 (22a))

[/QUOTE] Ans. 01. I have no problem with the Epithet Chosen People or Chosen Race if it is used in proper sense. But when it goes beyond the extreme and people start looking down on other people and races and claim superiority over them, then it should be checked. Quran says that God did Select and Chose Children of Israel to be Stand Bearer of truth and Justice and sent many prophets amongst them. They were chosen people and chosen race as long as they walked

Christia nity

Sects

Difference s

[QUOTE who="Michael"] Just in Christianity 40,001 different belief structures and sects, each ONE using the same DIVINE INSPIRED words of the bible to PROVE each of their CONFLICTING doctrines.........Does that make sense? [/QUOTE] Ans. You are very right; there are hundreds of thousands of Churches and Denominations in Christendom. They all differ with each other in major or minor issues and do not get along well with each other. It is only because they have no power and authority in countries, we do not see affects of their bickering and anger against each other. But in centuries gone by, these Churches and denominations were very powerful and they fought against each other and caused much blood bath and human suffering. Having said all this, let me tell you about a prophesy made in 7th Century CE about this division and bickering amongst Christians. Listen first to this Quranic Verse: From those too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a Covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message which was sent to them: so We stirred up Enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the Day of Judgment, and soon will God will show them what they have done (Ch5, Verse 14) Writer of Quran (if you claim it was our prophet) could know only about situation of his time, how could he see so far away and prophesize that enmity and hatred between Churches and Denominations shall continue till the End of Time. Any one who could see so far, would only be the God, the Lord of Time and Universe and everything in it!!

Jews

Muslim s

Relations

[QUOTE who="Advocate"] It's sad that you judge Jewish people so harshly, when Jewish people and Muslims are much more alike than Christians. Who ever said anything about wanting to creates rifts? Thing is, BOTH sides contribute to this lack of communication, not just one. [/QUOTE] Ans. Seeing the records of Jewish people against Islam and Muslims and our prophet from Day-1 to this day, I have not gone too far away in my judgment. Yes I do agree that Jews are very close to Muslims in their rituals and they have a more perfect religion than what Christians have And in addition they have been given lots and lots of talents and they have taken much part in progress of science and technology and medicine and have helped mankind in more than one ways All this is in their favour, but they have two bad qualities which wash out most of their good deeds and all positive qualities: 1. They are (in general) rebellious to God and any Guidance which He sent to them thru prophets. They not only reject the message of prophets, but they plot and try to kill every prophet of God sent to them. 2. They follow a strange type of racism based on their being the Chosen race and Chosen people. This false pride makes them look down on other people and they do not propagate their religion to other people. And that is why Quran has told in the Nutshell: Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers (i.e. Muslims) will you find the Jews and Pagans (Hindus for example): and nearest among them in love to the Believers (i.e. Muslims) you will find those who say We are Christians: because amongst them (i.e. Christians) are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world and they are not arrogant (Ch 5, V 83) This single verse of Quran says so many things, which require many volumes of human books to do justice!!

Christia nity

God

Blessings

[QUOTE who="Jack Braddock"] MUQ, would you attempt to answer this question ? Why has the Christian god blessed the west with there living conditions and Allah cursed the muslims with the conditions they live in ? Even the poorest westerner lives in better conditions than most muslims do in there lands........Why ?? What worries me is if the west does embrace islam and turn its back on its Christian beginnings maybe our conditions and life style would become the same as the middle east ? [/QUOTE] Ans. I think you have a very wrong concept of judging the truth of any religion just by looking at the current situation and Living Standards of followers of that religion. If you take that as a test for truth of any religion, then please tell me: A. About Judaism: a. Judaism must be True religion When Moses and David were leading the Jews and they had sway over Palestine. b. The same Judaism then proved a false religion when Nebuchadnezzar defeated Jews and destroyed Jerusalem and took them into captivity for 70 years. c. The Judaism again become true religion when Jews returned back to Palestine and rebuilt their temple. d. Judaism again became the false religion, when Roman general Titus destroyed Jerusalem and dispersed Jews all over Europe. e. And Judaism was false religion in all those 2000 years when Jews were under control of Christians and were wandering from country to county. f. And Judaism was a false religion when Hitler was murdering those six million Jews. g. And after 1948, establishment of Israel, Judaism again become true religion?

Islam

Prophet

Genealog y

[QUOTE who=" sheila"]<quoted text> You state that you are yet to see any Islamic scholar addressing the issue re the authenticity of Mohammad and yet it is a fact. God stated that the line was from Isaac and if you dispute this you are disputing what God has said. My personality has nothing to do with it. You just don't like hearing the truth Being given less status is exactly what Hagar was given as a slave. [/QUOTE] I see that you "avoid" commenting on the status of 4 sons of Jacob that were born of slave girls vis a vis other sons of Jacob born from free women. You just forget it or the avoidance is deliberate, I cannot say. So the law of "Son from slave girl" was "especially invented' For Hagar and Ishmael and for no one else!! For me, God calling Ishmael Son and Seed of Abraham is more than enough. Please give us a name of any Muslim Scholar who denies the existence of our Prophet, but he should not be of the "class" of "Sir" Salman Rushdie!! But about Jesus, there is a healthy debate going on between Christians and Historians and Archeologists if he existed at all. You get confused between Jesus and our prophet!! PS: 01. And even if for argument sake, we assume that Hagar and Ishmael of a Lower status than Sarah and Isaac.. what makes the General law that progeny of Ishmael shall always be lower in status than progeny of Isaac? If this is not pure racism, please tell us what else it is? Believing that for ever the Children of Ishmael shall be Lower in status than Children of Isaac does not speak of a Just God. And if I am not wrong not all children of Isaac were honored by God, He again chose between Jacob and Esau and the selection keeps on going and going. 02. And you are speaking so high about Isaac, have you seen what types of stories about him are written in Bible?

[QUOTE who="KK"] I can prove it, and I have proven it. Life expectancy to 79 years, more than 1960 by almost a decade: Violent crimes have been on a steady decline since 1970, with a massive drop in the 1980s, correlating to the rise in popularity of video games and the advent of the internet. Search the FBI stats. .. Disease has almost been conquered. Genomics is seeking more ways to extend our life spans beyond the internal calendars. We have reached the stars with our machines and technology, though we still need to work on getting ourselves out there more. We have explored worlds beyond our reach. .. So put up, or shut up. Where is your evidence that life is worse? [/QUOTE] Ans.

Thanks for Optimism and paying glowing tributes to the status of science and technology. You have painted a very glowing picture of the world we live in and in the direction we are going. It never pays to be a pessimist, but anyone calling for caution and showing us the reality is not always a pessimist but a realist. So let me post some of the negative aspects of our progress on materialistic front: 01. Human beings are getting more violent and more intolerant towards each other. They are more ready to abuse each other than it was the case when I was growing up. 02. The material progress is made at the cost of loosing spiritualism. Our bodies are healthy but our souls are sick and that can be measured by the growing rates of suicides and mental sickness. These cases are highest in countries where standard of living is also highest, this shows that mere physical conditions are not solution for happiness of humans.

Some Little Known Facts about Human Body: 1. Nose: Our Nose can detect upto 50,000 different scents! 2. Face: Facial hairs grow faster than any other hair on human body (for males to say and every one who shaves knows that by experience) !! 3. Brain : More than 80 Percent of Brain is water (Saying that someone has water in his brains is actually true literally!!) 4. Head: There are approximately 100,000 hairs on average human head (what fun those baldies are having, less luggage more comfort) 5. Ears: The smallest bone in human body is located in the middle ear; it is only 2.8 mm long!! 6. Tongue: Every human has a Unique tongue print like finger print, In life time human produce about 28,000 Liters of Saliva 7. Heart: Our heart pumps 9,000 liters of Blood every day. 8. Lungs: Our left lung is slightly shorter than our right lung (to accommodate Heart!!, how lucky are our Urdu Poets, who loose their heart every once in a while, so lungs can feel free!!) 9. Stomach : Our stomach lining is changed every three or four days. (To protect from all those acids used during digestive process). 10. Blood Vessels: There are about 96,000 Km of blood vessels in our body.

[QUOTE who="Mahmood"] Those books in the libraries do not claim to be "god's words" and that's the difference. Extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence. No one cares what Julian Spilsbury has written about the Indian Mutiny....it's just a piece of history, whether it's true or false lies in the details. There are copyright laws in most countries, the author forewords, acknowledgments, author's notes, there is a preface, I cannot claim to be an author of book I have not written....please use your brains. We know someone has written the Koran, we are not sure who nor are sure about it's authenticity.....please use your brains before writing rubbish. [/QUOTE] Ans. Here are the latest pearls of Wisdom from our Super Brains, after reading their posts, one thinks have they any brain left in their head or not. Then on the other hand that is the fate of every one who knowingly rejects the truth!! A. Ban only the Books which claim to be Words of God: Oh, NOW I understood, ONLY the books which claim to be Words of God, they should be burned down. OK, I am with you now, so you should start with the OLDEST Books that claim to be words of God or the NEWESTS? I think the correct way is to start from the Oldest, because it was these which propagated this fantastic idea. - So first you should ban and burn Vedas (which claim to the Oldest Scriptures of Earth and according to Hindus are Words of God). - Then you should ban and burn Jewish scriptures and - Then Christian Scriptures which are claimed to be Words of God Once you have done that, then we will think about Quran. So when we shall hear from you about banning and burning Vedas, OT and NT books?

[QUOTE who="Shiela"] 01. Ishmael was the product of a slave girl with Abraham. She was sent away because she had no claim to Abraham or his promises from God. She was just given to Abraham because Sarah didn't think she could have children. It was a miracle of God that she did and it is that son that is the seed to carry the lineage just as God has stated. 02. Hagar was nothing more that a whore and a slave girl who was trying to help the couple out. Strange that both of the jews and the christians both agree on the promised line and then some 500 years later the false Prophet decides that that is not what God said what he wants not what God The Koran was not even written for 200 years after the death of the alleged prophet. The journey to Jerusalem was just a dream that Mohammad had nothing more and no one can prove it was anything else Just because angels came to Lot doesn't make him a prophet. Islam is the only one claiming he was so it can fit into their plagiarized story. I couldn't be bothered wasting anymore time on someone who has been brainwashed and can't see the truth [/QUOTE] Ans. A. Why was Ishmael born of a Salve Girl? Was that a Fault of Ishmael? So now we have your racism and spite in full view!! 1. God accepts Ishmael as Son and Seed of Abraham (at many places in Bible) and to our Ma Shiela , her mother is no more than a whore (Your hands do not wither off writing such words about a Noble Soul. What answer you will give to Abraham on the day of Hereafter for making such comments about his household?). Prey tell us what Signs of Whoredom you found in Bible on the conduct of Lady Hagar? By every standard she has been the Wronged party in the family conflicts in the household of Abraham. Only a Racist can find any fault in her character as depicted in Bible. 2. This is what happens when you get mad with your racism; you loose all sense of rights and wrongs.

[QUOTE who="Shiela"] The Islamic Claim to Palestine because they are descendants of Ishmael: Muslims like to claim that Islam gave them the right to claim the land of Israel as their own. This claim rests upon two false assumptions: 1. All Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael; 2. Muhammad went to Jerusalem. The claim that Muhammad went to Jerusalem is false. According to the Quran and the Hadith, Muhammad had a dream in the middle of the night in which he traveled through the sky, visited seven heavens, met great people like Jesus, and visited the Jerusalem. Since this was only a dream, he was never actually in Jerusalem. The Mosque on the temple site in Jerusalem is a hoax built on the lie that Muhammad stood on the site. 3. Nowhere in the Quran does it state that Ishmael is the progenitor of the Arab race. Since it is not taught in the Quran, it cannot be a true Islamic belief. The Arab people are not the children of Ishmael. Even if they were, they would still have no claim to Israel because Ishmael was excluded by God Himself from having any part in the covenant made with Abraham. Isaac was the only heir of the Abrahamic covenant. Thus the Arabs as a people have no claim to the land of Israel.

[/QUOTE] Ans. You are making your own standards and making your own claims and passing on your own judgments and then say these are which WE claim! A. Muslims claim Palestine because they are descendents of Ishmael: This is totally wrong and I do not know of any Muslim who made such a statement. Muslims claim Palestine because they conquered

[QUOTE who="Shiela"] Lot was not a prophet he was a righteous man but not a prophet only to Islam which has plagiarized the scripture. The Isaac thing is not an invention of the Jews and christians. Your religion is the the one that is trying to prove that Islam is acceptable. Unfortunately for you it has nothing to do with racism it is to do with what God said. Islam has tried to change the scripture so that they appear legitimate. Both religions were around hundreds of years before your false religion and both of them support what God said in the old testament. Everything in Islam depends on whether or not Muhammad was a prophet or indeed if he actually lived. He wasn't, so end of story.

[/QUOTE] Ans. So now Lot is not a prophet, . He is sent on a mission to a wicked city (to do sightseeing and enjoy the attractions of the city so to say) .angels of God appear to him and speak to him the whole city is destroyed and he and his family is saved.. but still he is not a prophet a mere Righteous Man!! I think according to you for someone to be a prophet, he should have "special horns" sticking out of his head and there should be a billboard saying "I am Prophet of God, I am from Isaac's"!! After some time you will say that Noah was not a Prophet.and then you might say that Abraham himself was not a prophet!! Because NONE of them were descendents of Isaac!! This is what happens, when you try to enforce YOUR Logic on God!! Claim hat prophets of God shall ALWAYS come from lineage of Isaac and from no one else, is certainly a forgery of Jews and Christians and is very illogical and unreasonable and involves God also in their Racism. Can you tell me, what were Gods plan for salvation of Entire Humanity that lived in All Parts of the world? Did any Jewish prophet or any Jews propagated their message to India, China, Africa and other parts of this vast world?

[QUOTE who="Shiela"] We have already proven that Muhammad was not a prophet. 01. He did not come from the line of prophets as is required 02. he performed no miracles or wondrous signs in the name of God 03. Today people are even stating that he never existed. 04. The only sources of Muhammad come form Arabic sources. He is a figment of people's imagination [/QUOTE] Ans. Now let us have a unbiased and reasonable and logical look at your evidence casting doubt on the prophet of our Prophet (may peace and mercy of God be on him and all other prophets of God that came before him). 01. Family Connections !! This is a very racist comment. God is creator of all human races; He is not God of a particular race. He has send prophets of God to all nations of the world. So it is not a necessary and binding condition on God to send His prophet only from a particular group. Having said so, our prophet (PBUH) was a direct descendent of Prophet Abraham (PBUH), thru prophet Ishmael (PBUH) his first born son. So it removes your primary objection, so to say!! 02. Miracles: Miracles are not a necessary and sufficient condition to prove bonafides of a true prophet of God. There are many prophets mentioned in the books of Bible itself, who did not perform any miracles. You want me to give a few examples? John the Baptist, who according to Jesus was the Greatest amongst all Jewish Prophets, what miracles did he perform? I can give you many more such examples.

[QUOTE who="Shiela"] We have already proven that Muhammad was not a prophet. 01. He did not come from the line of prophets as is required 02. he performed no miracles or wondrous signs in the name of God 03. Today people are even stating that he never existed. 04. The only sources of Muhammad come form Arabic sources. He is a figment of people's imagination [/QUOTE] Ans. Now let us have a unbiased and reasonable and logical look at your evidence casting doubt on the prophet of our Prophet (may peace and mercy of God be on him and all other prophets of God that came before him). 01. Family Connections !! This is a very racist comment. God is creator of all human races; He is not God of a particular race. He has send prophets of God to all nations of the world. So it is not a necessary and binding condition on God to send His prophet only from a particular group. Having said so, our prophet (PBUH) was a direct descendent of Prophet Abraham (PBUH), thru prophet Ishmael (PBUH) his first born son. So it removes your primary objection, so to say!! 02. Miracles: Miracles are not a necessary and sufficient condition to prove bonafides of a true prophet of God. There are many prophets mentioned in the books of Bible itself, who did not perform any miracles. You want me to give a few examples? John the Baptist, who according to Jesus was the Greatest amongst all Jewish Prophets, what miracles did he perform? I can give you many more such examples.

[QUOTE who="Shiela"] 01. What Jesus taught was an offshoot of Judaism. He called the Pharisees out on their hypocrisies. he believed in one God not three and he practised as a Jew Most christians believe in the trinity Jesus never believed in this he believed in one God The Jews didn't believe that Jesus was God the Son. In fact he was a son of God there is a difference 02. The jews didn't think he was illegitimate they just couldnt believe he was the son of God. The Jews will not come to believe that Jesus is the son of God until he returns to earth to rule from Jerusalem 03. Islam is not the true religion and that is a fact. Jesus taught people to turn the other cheek Islam teaches death to the infidel etc etc Jesus warned us of false religions that would come after him and Islam is one of them [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Off- Shoot of Judaism: So either Christians are following a different religion than what Jesus taught, or Jews are not following what Jesus taught them. What was that "off-shoot" of Judaism which Jesus was teaching, only you seem to know. We do not want to get involve into this internal and friendly debate between Jews and Christians. What we know is that bulk of Jews still reject jesus and his message, whether he was Son of God or not, whether he taught Trinity or not is again to be debated between jews and Christians. 02. Legitimacy of Jesus: If Jews did not believe Jesus was illegitimate then do they believe that he was born without a Human father? I think you are trying your level best to ride on two boats at the same

[QUOTE who=" "] [/QUOTE] Ans. We know so much about our prophet, because we preserved each and every of his movement. There were thousands of eyes focused on him and watching his every movement and drinking his every word. And these records were transmitted to us in the most reliable and authentic way that is possible in any human society. Our ancestors did not make a picture of our prophet, did not create his statue and idol, and yet painted so clear picture of him that we can even count "white hairs" on his beard!! The first disciples of other prophets forgot all historical aspects of their prophets and did not record any details. How can we know about past prophets, if the details are missing in their own scriptures. We only know about them what our Quran says about them, that they were all sinless, they were chosen by God who sent revelation to them and they asked their followers to follow them... And that they all preached the same "simple message of islam"....i.e. Worship only One True God of Universe, do not associate any false god in His worship, do not worship idols or any human created image or photo....and follow me". This simple message of Islam started from First Human prophet (Adam) and continued till the Last and Final Prophet, when it was perfected and preserved for all future generations....so there is no need of any new prophet till the day of Judgment. Allah Knows best.

[QUOTE who="FF"] MUQ quoted: By properly applying Islamic system, the crime rates come down drastically in any society in which they are applied. D. Muslim countries have the highest criminal rates in theft, murder and rapes etc. MUQ QUOTED >>>>>>> >> I have no problem in agreeing to your post, and that is because there are hardly an\y Muslim <<<<< MUQ QUOTED MUQ QUOTED >>>>>>> How can you blame Islamic system for crime rates when it is not even applied? <<<<<< MUQ QUOTED And it has been seen that when Islamic laws are applied the crime rates come down. And another confusion which Western Media and Christian countries try to create is that Islam is only about Crimes and Punishment and it has no Social system to reduce the crime rates. Islam is a complete way of life and it has to be applied in full to see its full results. MUQ QUOTED >>>>>>> Most Muslim countries do not apply other provisions of Islamic law and start with Criminal law, while in reality that should be the last part to be applied!! <<<< MUQ QUOTED E. No judge has right to chop off hands of a criminal or hang a murderer or an adulterator or a homosexual. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXX MUQ all I did was agreed with you, that there are no genuine Muslims left in this world. [/QUOTE] Ans. I cannot say that there are no genuine Muslims in the world today. I can say that Most of those who are leading Muslim Nations do not act according to Islam. It is they who bring bad name for islam and Muslims. Most of their action are hypocritical. They should leave their posts if they cannot rule according to Islam

[QUOTE who="The Whiz"] 01. Your statement remains silly. In 1950, Israel's Jewish population was less than 1,000,000. Today it is over 6,000,000. What country would accept the 6,000,000+ Jews presently living in Israel? Think before you write. 02. Another silly statement. Do you even understand what the statement 'the spoils of war' means? Didn't Khalid-bin-Walid and Saladin occupy the land they and consider it part of their kingdom? 03. You consider Islam to be true. Christians, Buddhists, Atheists, Jews, etc. do not consider Mohammed a prophet. You can't convert everyone to your belief system. Signed: Ms. Whiz, not Mr. Whiz [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. How come 1,000,000 Jews in 1950 became 6,000,000 by 2012? Surely this was not a population explosion, was it? It is not easy to find out from where these extra 5 Million Jews came from? And why should any country be forced to accept these Jews? As it is they are perfect model of humanity. They are civilized and educated and believe in democracy. They are highly intelligent and (ruthless). I think that every western country would fall one over another to accept these best specimen of what a perfect human should be. I think it would come to auctioning these Jews and those who pay best prices would get a larger chunk of these sheep like Jews. You have not turned your attention to this direction otherwise this problem could be solved in a flash. 02. I know all about spoils of war, but the war has not yet ended, so we will distribute the final spoils of war once the war ended. 03. We do not force to convert any one to islam, we only deliver our message and leave the choice to them. Our job in the world is not to force any one to accept islam but see that we deliver the message and no one is forced not to accept Islam. We feel that Islams message is so reasonable and so moderate and

[QUOTE who="Don"] Quran is a scientific book. You need not to study Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Maths, Economics etc. Quran has everything in it. Just read quran and you will learn everything. Newton's Law of motion and gravity was derived from quran only. Einstein's theory of relativity is also given in quran. quran can also tell you that how Iron came on the Earth. Quran can solve all the problems like poverty, uneducation, terrorism, unemployment and high growth rate of population. [/QUOTE] Ans. Quran is Much above any so called scientific book. Scientific books only deal with materialistic things, while Quran deals with both material as well as spiritual matters. Science only tries to make our physical life comfortable, whereas Quran makes our this life and the next life Comfortable. Science is unable to solve the problem of poverty, terrorism, unemployment and crimes in the worldwhile Quran lays down the principles that can solve all these problems, provided they are implemented in letter and spirit. And Quran is not enemy of science, Quran is the greatest benefactor of science, it was the age of Quran which can be called as the beginning of age of reason. Before Quran the age was the age of Miracles and Signs, the people were used to Miracles and signs, it was Quran which turned people attention from Miracles to nature and things in this world. It asked them to see and ponder and realize how things in this universe are working. There are hundreds of verses in Quran that reflect on nature and its phenomenon. It was that turned Muslims attention to study of nature and how things were working and that was the beginning of scientific age. Europe caught with scientific age after almost 700 years.

[QUOTE who="Eric"]<quoted text> Absolutely. Homosexuality is found in every culture. Therefore, it is natural. Homosexuality is found in every specie. Therefore, it is natural. Monogamy has proven to be the foundation of civilization. Other species that practice monogamy have proven to be more staple.[/QUOTE] If that is your analogy then Crimes and Murder and Rapes and Adultery and Robbery , Theft , Lying and Cheating are also found in EVERY Culture and in EVERY society. So they are also natural and those involved in these activities must be given the same protection as other people who do not do such acts. I do not know what sort of logic you people use. There are Perverts and Criminals in every society, no one treats them or gives them the same respect as it gives to the normal law abiding and non pervert people. Homosexuals were always treated as perverts in every society and even in western society not a long time ago. I do not know what type of evolution is that where very pervert is being treated as "natural" and given the same protection as common people. And the fact that this is happening when science and technology has reached its pinnacle, is all the more surprising. It seems that immorality and perversion is the price our society is paying for progress in science and technology.

[QUOTE who="FF"] Muslims have repeatedly claimed that Muslim women have more rights in Islam then Western women do in Canada and the USA. The proof you supplied with the fact that Islam gave women the right to vote 1400 years ago but women in the West only got the right to vote 100 years ago. My question is: The mother of Islamic countries still do not have the right to vote, so much for women equal rights. Saudi ArabiaWomen were not given the right to vote or to stand for the local election in 2005, although suffrage was slated to possibly be granted by 2009,[84][85][86] then set for later in 2011, but suffrage was not granted either of those times.[87] In late September 2011, King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz al-Saud declared that women would be able to vote and run for office starting in 2015.[36] 2. Muslims teach Muhammad was sinless. However the Koran specifically limits the number of wives a Muslim man can marry to 4. Yet Muhammad married at least 12 women. My question is: Is Muhammad above the very law he gave in the Koran and isnt the definition of sin violating the law of God? [/QUOTE] Ans. A. Women have More rights than men?: I do not know any Muslim \scholars saying that women in Islam have more rights than men. What I know, Muslim scholars saying that Islam gives women more rights than any other religion or any other society. Rights in Islam between men and women are distributed according to their roles and duties and responsibilities in the society. In areas which are under mens sphere they have more rights than women and in areas which are under womens sphere, they have more rights than men. That balance is missing in other religions and in other societies. They are like pendulum, they go from one extreme to another extreme. Either they treat women as plaything and tool for enjoyment and deny her any rights, that is one extreme, then they swing and start saying that men and women are equal and there is no difference

[QUOTE who="Frijoles"] You are side stepping my point. Our society offers choice. Choice is not compulsion. And yes, we do have defenders of civil liberty, even when it is an unpopular issue. Dont for a minute think that the Burka hides anything other than a womans eyes. You would know that from your country. When I saw that woman in a burka jogging, I could still see her breasts jiggle. Its not about modesty - its about a statement. 2. Lots of people marry and dont have children. Lots of people marry and adopt children. Are those couples harming society? Have you ever offered your own sperm for examination? Are you sure you are not harming society thru lack of numbers, or lack of motility? Should every male be tested and then condemned if so? Furthermore, even if gay people were harming society by their lack of contraception, there is a remedy already in place. Gay couples can adopt. And many do. SO where is the harm? Look - we can argue anal sex until the sheep run away from your home (again) but the fact is that it doesnt matter WHAT I say. Admit it - you are so religiously ideological on this subject that you and SEPTIC will create "harm" regardless of whether it exists. And it doesnt. 3. MUQ Why dont you wear a Burka? Why are you immodest? [/QUOTE] Ans. A. Question of Choice: There is nothing in the world like totally free choice. When you live in a society, you undergo part of your freedom and choice. When you become national of a country, you forgo a part of your choice, this is a fundamental issue.

[QUOTE who="islam the real evil"]<quoted text> muq u are not giving ur comments. how much do u agree with maulana azad???? [/QUOTE] I am on this thread for so many years, still you ask question, how much I agree with Maulana Azad!! Did you know that Maulana Azad was Congress President for 6 consecutive years from 1940 to 1946, the "most crucial" period as for as Indian Freedom movement and its partition is considered. Now do you think he was made congress president to "appease Muslims" or only as a "show piece" to counter M.A. Jinnah or did he really had the capabilities for the job? He says that if he was President during 1947 (When Nehru was made Congress President), he would not agree to the partition of country. Nehru, Patel and Gandhi are equally to blame for the partition of country along with M.A. Jinnah and Muslim league. But in Indian media and in Indian history (as being told to us thru the "main stream" media) is to ONLY blame Jinnah and Muslim league and "forget" the role played by Nehru, Patel, Gandhi and other Hardliner Hindus that infiltrated Congress party at that time. If Hindus showed any broadmindedness during that period, it is most likely that India would not have been divided. That is my view and I stick to it. As a majority community they should have shown more tolerance and broadmindedness than Jinnah and Muslim league. And why during that time, we still see the same narrow mindedness and inferiority complex from Hindus regarding Islam and Muslims, when Muslims have been sidelined and made ineffective from almost every field that is of importance in India. Just scan the posts of Hindus on this thread and see how much inferiority complex they have.

[QUOTE who="Badsis"] So, you have never heard of Genealogy? And, um...WHAT? Obviously, you need to re-read previous posts. How can you even debate religious text when you cannot understand my simple words? Nevermind, I'll reiterate for you. I can use genealogy to trace myself back to my great, great Grandfather. This is a tool that we have today but not back when Abraham would've existed. Meaning that I can do that today in 2012 C.E but it's kinda really hard to do it for someone who may or may not have existed back in, what? 4000 B.C.E? It's not bias, it's a simple fact. [/QUOTE] Ans. What is the value of a Genealogy Table, if you cannot prove its truth? The DNA and other proofs you people are asking today, if applied then you cannot prove that any body existed before 200 odd years. Why genealogy did not exist in the time of Abraham or Noah? Do you mean to say that in those days no one knew or cared to know who there parents and great parents were? What is the source of this new information? The ONLY problem is how that info was transmitted to us and how authentic and accurate is the transfer. And one test for that is that there should not be any contradiction and discrepancies in the ancient manuscripts that we have today. But it is strange that you people believe in the existence of Aristotle , Socrates, Pythagoras and other philosophers and not on the existence of Moses and Jesus and other prophets of God. What is your proof that those Philosophers actually existed?

Dak-original wrote: <quoted text> Hilarious! MUQ accepting Jews as chosen people and then telling off GOD for choosing Jews! I never! No we do not accept Jewish people as "Permanently chosen people". They were chosen when they adhered to the laws of God and walked in His way. When they stopped walking in the ways of God and started killing prophets of God, they were stripped from that Chosen status. And rejecting Jesus was the "Final straw" in their chosen status, as Jesus warned them in very plain and simple langauge "This (title) would be taken from you and given to other people..." Now they appear before God as rebellious people and not Chosen people of God.... Unless... They repent and accept Jesus as True prophet of God... And... Accept last and final prophet of God and followin his footsteps. It is they who erred and it is for them to collect their ways. God was just and blameless before and after. He did not do even the least unjstice to them, not even in the least, but tolerated them and their inequities for a much longer period than any human could do!!

[QUOTE who="Eric"] This is interesting. Can you please share where the Quran states that the woman's entire body is a private part and not for men? I can understand say neck to knees but why head and lower legs? Where is that written for women and not men? [/QUOTE] Ans. To understand Quran, you should use Islamic methods and not your own self defined methods. Quran lays down the basic law and Prophetic Traditions and Actions of prophet and his companion tell us about the practical aspect of that law. That was the reason for God choosing a human as a prophet, otherwise He would have simply sent down a bound book which would descend one fine morning on top of Kaaba, so that every one can pick up that book and get all guidance. Quran Ch 24, V 30 & 31 tell about the basic guidelines that speak about Hijabs for both Muslim men and women. The basic wordings in both verses are same, verse 30 says Say to believing men to lower their gazes and guard their modesty.. The verse 31 says the same for Women; And say to believing women to lower their gaze and guard their modesty. Then in Verse 31 there are some extra details for women, which is not present in Verse 30, indicating that modesty for women is little different from men. For example in verse 31 we find the sentence except what (ordinarily) appear thereof. And then there is a list of persons which are exempted. That all shows that Hijab for men and women are different from each other. Then we look the books of Tradition and we find many sayings from prophet that say For men the private parts are from navel to knee and for women her entire body is privates So Muslim men appear in public with (at least) their navel to knees covered and Muslim women appear in public with their whole

[QUOTE who="Kenhurt"] You skipped the first question. How convenient for you. 01. You rephrased the second question. I did not suggest Christians should go oh Hajj (why should they, it is all fiction). Hajj is once a year, so why close the city of Mecca year round? Muslims are not prohibited from the Vatican, nor anywhere on earth despite their repugnant fictional religion, for instance. Just more hate by Muslims . 02. Since you hate the trappings of free people, such as music and personal freedom, do you propose to oppress all that, as Saudi Arabia does today, but around the globe, with a sword if need be? 03. I am not Jewish, and there is nothing unethical nor hypocritical in the practice of revering the name of God. Why does Islam not allow historic religious figures humans in their art? What is the difference? 04. Darn right Jews have done great things for the USA, but also for the world. People like Jonas Salk rid the world of polio, for instance. .. 05. You are full of hate, a disgrace to the true Muslims around the globe. You have disrespected a prophet and are going to hell. Meanwhile, continue to serve your Saudi master, who thinks of you as no better than a dog. He is right. [/QUOTE] Ans. A. Status of Makkah: 01. Makkah is not a picnic spot for that reason that is should be opened to all tourists from the world over. It is a sacred house of God and it is open to those who come in humility and to worship there. If you have made your Vatican as a tourist place, it is your problem and not mine and by the way, Vatican has no importance in Christianity per see. I do not find any special position for it in any book of Bible, do you? B. Entertainment in Islam 02. Islam allows all healthy entertainment including music. But not the sort of music which arouses sexual passions in males and

[QUOTE who="NT"] 01. Are the Greeks wrong for having so many Gods ? 02. By the way the black stone which Muhammad inherited from his uncle that sits in Mecca, which God does that represent ? [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Why only Greek, ANY nation which took to Idol worship did wrong and that happens only when people decide of their own without guidance and help from Prophets and Revelation from God. As for as my Limited Knowledge goes, Greeks were the first people in Europe that created so many gods and gave them shapes and divided them into males and females and created a complete mythology around them. They gave names and shapes to these planets and made them gods What Greeks did was inherited by the Roman Empire and still so many of their mythologies are being followed by European People. Christianity had to fight against this Greek and Roman Idol worship.. they were somewhat successful in eradicating it, but is the process got some of that virus Worship of statues of Christ and Mary and saints, Concept of Trinity , Celebration of Christmas and Christmas Tree etc. all are remnants of compromise which Christians did with Romans when they accepted Christianity. What Greeks did in Europe was done by Hindus in India when they forgot their teachings of Vedas and created their own religion. They also created a myriad of gods, some major , some minor, and made them into males and females gods, which married and had children etc. The three major gods i.e. Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma got wives in the name of Parvati,, Luxmi and Saraswati, and they god male and female issues and started a sort of family . I do not know who got influenced with whom, Hindus with Greeks or Greeks with Hindus. But in the end result is same.

Islam and Muslims: What the other evidence says: I think if we go by the number of posts posted on this and other threads, the General Impression and General Consensus would be that Islam is a blood thirsty religion and only job of Muslims in past have been to kill and loot and force people of other people into the fold of Islam. (Why would they want every one to accept Islam is not understandable, because they would loose their Milking Cows when these people accept Islam?) And that Muslims persecute their women and treat them worse than animals and force them against their wills to remain inside the boundaries of their homes and cover their faces and bodies every time they go out of their houses. And they provide many proofs to justify these claims All this is fine, but there is another type of evidence to verify these claims, if a group of people (in fact whole nation) behaves as claimed above, what sort of civilization will they build up and what type of evidence would they leave for historians For Example, what would be their tastes in building their Palaces, Houses, their Places of Worship and their townships? What shall be their tastes in food and delicacies and the clothes they and their women wear? What type of language they shall speak and what type of poetry and thoughts shall be expressed in their literature? These are the tell tale signs about a civilization and using them we can know much about their outlook. If we find that a nation has much refined and developed taste in all these areas, it is illogical to say that they have so narrow view only on the religious side. They have to match each other and not contradict each other. In India we have Hindus and Muslims living side by side for many centuries and both have left their Ancient buildings, Forts, Temples and Literature and food and dress habits. Now let us make some unbiased comparision between these two groups of people and see what they reveal: A. Places of Worship:

[QUOTE who="Taftman"] 01. I could also reply, That still leaves the Palestinians, Guilty as charged. 02. But the fact remains that if the Palestinians had not started lobbing rockets in to Israeli territory and had refrained from the use of suicide bombers we would probably be in a better position to see a negotiated peace, 03. But why should Israel give any more land away if the Palestinians refuse to give up Killing Israelis, 04. Remember there is only one side which has the annihilation of the other written in to its constitution. 05. Personally if I was Israeli I would want my government to do exactly as the Israelis have done. 06. Israel made the first move to peace, it removed a large number of its own people from the Gaza strip, some of which were second generation, .. 07. I believe it only took three days after taking over the Gaza strip before the Palestinians started to fire rockets in to civilian areas of Israel. .. 08. NO. but the Israelis were called every thing by the Muslim countries in the UN. .. 09. You can spout all the nonsense you like about Israel being a Nazi state etc But 10. The Israelites left the Gaza strip with an abundance of good fertile land, already planted with crops of corn and fruit trees, .. 11. They have invested in hate and corruption buying guns, [/QUOTE] Ans. I have broken your post into 11 heads and I will post a reply to each of them and correct some of the misconceptions that you have. 01. Yes you can accuse the Palestinians guilty as charged and your

Hijab, who is really in Hijab? : Mary Walker, British Family Television Note: The following is based on the report of Mary Walker, a reporter from British Family TV, who toured many Muslim countries during the filming of serial Living Islam . Her observations present a different picture of Muslim women, that what we regularly hear in the Main Stream Media. This is translated from Urdu from the Paper DAWAT dated 25 April, 2012 MUQ 01. The first women whom I met (during filming of my series) was the wife of an educated man in Mali. Her husband was running an organization that was engaged in calling the poor people in that country to Islam. His wife was an educated and very smart lady, who had earlier been following western style of living. She was married to a diplomat. But she divorced him and change her life style to a real Muslim and was fully dressed in Islamic Hijab. According to me she had prisoned herself into a prison from which there was no escape. But I was unable to see any walls of the prison and there was no prisoner in sight. What was seeing was a fully content women who was made to rule. Her kingdom was her home and no one interfered in it. She was fully content and confident to take care of her kingdom. This put me on a thinking path. 02. My Next stop was in Nigeria, where I interviews two Muslim women ZARINA and FATIMA. But I had to attend a Womens only party to meet these women. I found that both these women were highly educated and were early living life in western style and then they changed themselves and took up Islamic way of life. I was feeling myself a novice in this atmosphere, because no men were present in the meeting. Myself and my cameraman were also fully covered so that no one can see them. Women in the party started speaking and what they said put me on the road of thinking of our own values. They said that Hijab is a sign to reject a society where women is degraded. It is Islam which has granted women real freedom. In Western society women is forced to display her body, which is unjust. 03. After meeting and other educated Muslim women who were observing Islamic Hijab, I came to conclusion that In West we are going towards extreme. Women there spent lot of time and money to just look attractive to male people, with whom they have no relation

[QUOTE who="NT"] 1. Hello MUQ ,how did the prophet and his companions incite others to follow their future ? 2. Those Christians you speak of are no different to many Muslims we read of in the media today who treat their own in the same manner. [/QUOTE] Ans. 1. How Prophet and his followers got new converts: It is a good question and actually there were three phases in the early history of Islam. A. Makkan period (Lasting first thirteen years): 1. During this period, the prophet himself was the Chief Evangelist. He used to recite Quran and ask people to join his movement. 2. Those who knew his blameless life and his upright moral character and his quality of always speaking truth, were the first to heed to his call. But it was Quran that was the main reason for people accepting Islam. 3. They were mostly young people of Makkah (both men and women) and slaves of Makkah (both men and women). 4. All these people were of firm faith and very few ever reengaged from Islam. They were the Core of Islamic faith. 4A. Other people got attracted to Islam seeing the change that came on those who accepted Islam. 5. With passage of time some of the Recognized Leaders like HAMZA and UMAR and isolated people from those visiting Makkah also became his followers. 6. During this period , people used to enter into Islam in ones and twos and progress was slow, B. Medina Period (First 8 years) : 7. In Medina the Prophet established Islamic society and people

[QUOTE who="Truth"] Jizya was not just another tax like income tax and sales tax. It was based on religion. Non muslims had to pay their muslim rulers jizya tax. Only those who accepted islam got exemptions from this tax. Many people who wanted exemption from this tax, converted to islam. Muslim invaders defeated many non muslim countries and forced the people of those countries to pay this inhuman tax. Only Akbar the great lifted jizya tax over non muslums. He was secular. In civil society no religious tax is charged now. This tax was against social harmony. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. There is an age old tantrum against JIZYA and all sorts of lies and half truths and mistruths are being spread against it. 02. The first misconception is that JIZYA was Imposed on Non Muslims. In fact JIZYA was a pact with Non Muslims for state protection of their lives and their religion and their safety. 03. Following the general rule of those days, the winning side could impose any term on the defeated people and / or make all of them their slaves. But Islam provided an honorable solution to both parties. 04. For Muslims it was buying peace and cessation of war and a promise that their backs were safe, while the armies moved forward. 05. For Non Muslims it gave them honorable peace and safety at much lower cost than they would otherwise have obtained. They got freedom to rule their own areas and continue to practice their religion and their own laws as for their own disputes concerned. 06. Now some people project as if the Non Muslims were over exerted in the payment of JIZYA and that JIZYA was the Main Source of Islamic Treasury and all such allegations. 07. Most of these charges are not correct. In No case JIZYA was 2.5 % of Annual Income or 10 % or 5 % of all their agriculture produce (Which Muslims had to pay). Now some one has said that ZAKAT was an optional item and Govt. had no authority to collect ZAKAT. This is wrong, according to Islamic laws and practice ZAKAT has to be collected by Govt. and used as per Islamic guidelines. 08. In India the ZAKAT system was disturbed because of British

[QUOTE who="Eric"]<quoted text> Prior to 1947, Britain controlled the Indian subcontinent. In 1947 the British decided to turn the subcontinent over to self rule. Although the majority of people on the subcontinent were Hindu, there was a sizable minority of Muslims living in well defined areas. The British PARTITIONED the continent into Muslim areas and Hindu areas, giving areas where the Muslims predominated to Muslim self rule. I guess the British were wrong. They should have allowed the Hindu majority to rule the entire subcontinent. Right MUQ?[/QUOTE] Ans. Your comparision of partition of Indian subcontinent with partition of Israel is wrong from almost every angle, let me point out a few mistakes in your analogy: a. British rule in India was itself a travesty of Justice system. Britain had no right to conquer and rule India. (There is similarity in two cases, because Britain had no right to rule and partition Palestine also). b. The demand of partition was raised by Indian Muslims themselves and not from any one living outside India. While in case of Palestine, the demand for home-rule was raised and was agreed by Britain even before their landing the foot. c. Consent of Hindus, the majority community was taken before the partition. Congress party the mainstream Hindu party accepted the partition resolution on June 30, 1947. In case of Palestine Arabs did not agree to the partition. d. Muslims got MUCH LESS land than their population in India at that time demanded, while Jews got much more land what their population demanded. e. No one was imported to live in India or Pakistan from any where outside the subcontinent, it was only re-distribution of population, while in case of Israel, MAJORITY of people were imported to live there. f. British were not totally wrong in partitioning India, but they did not do justice and left some ever bleeding sores like Kashmir, so that India and Pakistan were always fighting over it. In case of Palestine, they cheated Arabs on a much larger scale and all their sympathies and brains and diplomacy was used to get Jews as much land as they can. At the most we can call it a Committed Judge whose aim is not to do justice, but that it should appear to the public that justice is being

[QUOTE who="Dragnet"] The effort taken by MUQ to rebut my claims is appreciable. At least he has not taken the short cut way to oppose me. To a certain extent I agree with him when he says that debates can be pointless if taken beyond a point and especially when people on either side of the debate have made it a prestige issue to not back down. This is why I have consistently refused to entertain debates about who took whom to the cleaners. All that I can say for present is that MUQ 's posts are basically a reflection of his world view. It is a world view that is deeply colored by his islamic beliefs. I don't know whether he presents his arguments based on his own sincere convictions or whether he presents his arguments out of a religious obligation to defend islam. If it is the latter, then he must know that truth as a concept is even greater than the concept of God. In the pursuit of truth there are no holy cows, no concepts, personalities or belief systems that cannot be subjected to scrutiny. As long as MUQ insists that knowledge of truth and realization of truth are two different concepts, I will continue to oppose him. The only truth, the only knowledge that can be considered as real is the one which leads to our personal growth in all our human aspects. God's revelation, prophetic revelations, the insights of philosophers are all inferior when compared to the truth which liberates, expands and contributes to the growth of our overall personality. [/QUOTE] Ans. Now our Learned Friend has changed the technique, now is trying to confuse the issue. He is once again pitching for the truth, the one I commented earlier " Actively Seeking the Truth" A. It is Truth we are looking for? Are We?: 01. He says that it is the Truth which is to be followed, trying to give a hint that I am somehow against following truth. 02. The Question is how to know what Truth is and what is the way to know the truth? B. Material Versus Non Material Issues: 03. There are issues which relate to material things and issues that relate to Spiritual things.

[QUOTE who="Truth"] I don't think that there is a way of sacrificing animals with humility and with piety of heart. It's anyway a cruel act. Ishwar (Allah) do not want sacrifices of animals. [/QUOTE] Ans. I appreciate what you say, but this is a practical world and not an imaginary world. It is God who has created these animals and He knows for what purpose they are created. What minimum pain it causes to the animals, He knows it, as regards humility and piety, we are not to judge these. It is your words against the revelation sent by God / Allah / Ishwar that He has sanctioned these sacrifices. I would be doing a great mistake if we took your unsupported words, against His revelations. Have a nice day .

[QUOTE who="Dragnet"] As usual MUQ is trying to evade the real issue. Now let us see the qualitative difference between the teachings of real philosophers and the teachings of prophets. A real philosopher tries to get to the root of the problem, he analyses and dissects the problem in all its different facets and tries to arrive at a synthesis that not only integrates the polarities but also transcends them. For example, let's take the case of a society which at a given time is grappling with the problem of begging. This same society must have devised some remedial measures to tackle this problem. But these measures are found to be ineffective in completely eradicating the problem. It is here that the real philosopher shows his mettle. He sees begging and its remedial measures as the polarities of the same system. He aims to arrive at a solution which not only synthesizes these two polarities but is also a complete, radical break from the old system. This is how a concept like equitable distribution of wealth has become the cornerstone of policy formulation in developing countries. Now I will show how our present world has greatly benefited from the brilliance of these great philosophers. Almost all the aspects of our present day civilization bear the stamp of these great philosophers. It was the thoughts and writings of these great philosophers that set in motion a chain of events that brought mankind from its barbaric moorings to its present stage. Governments of every state, if they have any pretensions of being backed by the popular will of the people, claim to be working for the welfare of the people. This is a far cry from the days when the kings and emperors only used to collect taxes and maintain armies. Our present education system, the services and amenities like postal, rail, road, banking, insurance, state welfare services, you name it, they all had their origins in the minds of great philosophers, scientists and educationists. I'm sure that MUQ will not balk at the suggestion of taking his critically ill relatives to a modern health care system, rather than take them to some islamic quack prescribing unani medicines. Yet this man has the gall to suggest that philosophers are not practical people.

[QUOTE who="NT"] Then why should those who were evicted from Palestine think they have the right to return to what was once their ancestral lands, going by what you just said ? [/QUOTE] Ans. Those who were evicted from Palestine cannot be compared with those who were evicted more than 2000 years back. Because the event is in our recent memory and these people are fighting for their return from the very creation of Israel. The struggle is continuous and there is no time gap, it is like some thief or some strong man forcefully evicts you from your house and takes its possession, and you continue your legal and vocal battle to regain the possession. While in case of Jews, once they were evicted, they accepted their fate and did not mount any struggle to get it back and it was a long lost event. They revived it after 2000 years and claim their ancient ownership, how can we compare it with the current Palestinians struggle? If we go by this logic, then USA can claim Iraq and Afghanistan because they occupied these countries for some time.!!

Now see this reasoning from Our Human Philosopher to defend Other Human Philosophers. A. Limitations of Human Philosophers: Our Author did not criticise human Philosophers, because they did not analyze how are men motivated to crimes and what are the emotions that control crimes and how we could control those emotions to turn Every human beings into a virtual angel The point of criticism was that they NEVER did anything practical to solve this problem. All their teachings are in their bulky books and written in Philosophical language that passes over the heads of more than 99 % of human population. Rest 1 % who can read and understand, only 0.1 % appreciate it and 0.2 to 0.3 % start to find fault with that and put their own alternate theories. And every one enjoys these lively discussions between different schools of philosophy and NOTHING is done to set the things right. B. Prophets Approach: Prophets approach is totally different from this, they do not start philosophical debates with people, they speak to common people in common language. They do not speak with doubts, but with firm directions what they get from God thru revelation. They start working on the hearts of people,. God consciousness (TAQWA) and Fear of Hare-after (KHOUF-E AKHIRAT) are the two Potent Tools that change the hearts and minds of people. C. How Arabia was Transformed? If any one analyzes the situation in Arabia of 1400 years back and could imagine that within a short space of 23 years, the whole society will be so much transformed, he will not believe it. It was not any outward transformation, it was a Total Transformation: That those who use to kill and bury alive their daughters quarreled over the custody of orphan girl child!! Those who use to usurp the property of Weak and Orphans became their protectors and defenders!! Those in whose society Murder, Theft, Robbery, Gambling, Alcohol usage, Adultery, Fornication, Whoredom, Cheating in Weight and

[QUOTE who="Yaudheya"] All such violent rituals either at any Hindu temple or at MeccaMedina , either on occasion of Hindu festival or Bakar eid like Muhammadan festival , are deplorable . Animal slaughtering can be called logical only for that areas where nature didn't provide much food resources such as Tibet , Arabian peninsula , Polar area etc.. And if science discovers the solution of human's food then it animal slaughtering should be banned but till that time we can do minimum that we must declare " bali " or " kurbani " as a religious hypocrisy . And yes , MUQ what is lesson in it for us ? [/QUOTE] Ans. A. Man made Philosophies: I usually criticise man made philosophies, when they are pitted against evidence from Scriptures . Because they are so unbalanced, so impractical and overlook so many points that it is strange to think that any right thinking and reasonable mind could suggest and support them. But these so called mental pigmies present them as Outstanding Jewels of Human minds that one even does not know to laugh or cry at their condition. One such gem has been presented on the issue of Animal Sacrifice by one such mental pigmy B. Animal Sacrifice, according to World scriptures: 01. First let us see the evidence from Major Scriptures or all religions . Scriptures of Hinduism (Vedas, Manu Smriti, Mahabharata etc) , Judaism, Christianity and Islam they all support animal sacrifice and consumption of animal flesh. 02. So from Scriptural evidence it is clear that there is nothing wrong either in animal sacrifice or eating animal food. 03. Except marginal religion like Jainism and Buddhism (a portion of Buddhism, because meat eating is so common in China, Japan, Korea etc who are Buddhist countries), all major world religious scriptures support Animal Sacrifice and eating of animal food. 04. That was proof from Religious Scriptures, to call it a religious

[QUOTE who="w wmanuk"]<quoted text> Exactly why do you do it muq.[/QUOTE] Ans. I do it because it is my duty as a Muslim to educate people about islam and remove their mistakes and misconceptions about Islam and its teachings. Since our prophet was the Last prophet, the job to deliver the message of islam to all people is the responsibility of Muslims and we shall be answerable to God, if we do not do it. This is the main reason why we are active on these threads.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ All-night revision for exam? Sleep on it

NEW DELHI: Staying up all night to revise your exam syllabus just one more time might not be a great idea after all. Far from brushing up your memory, it might lead you to forget most of what you learned. Recent research by the School of Life Sciences (SLS) in Jawaharlal Nehru University has revealed that sleep plays a significant role in encoding information and retaining what is learned through the day. So after a day of cramming, if you are sleep-deprived, chances are you will remember very little.

The research team led by Dr Sushil Jha found that rats deprived of sleep for six hours just after learning a task couldn't perform the same task well the next day while the other group that got adequate sleep replicated it.

The laboratory is now working on establishing that learning, in turn, changes sleep pattern. "Yes, if you have gone through any kind of training or learning, you may sleep more. This is not because you are tired but because memory consolidation needs proper sleep.

Sleep also activates the brain's protein synthesis machinery which helps consolidate memory. Further, sleep helps in brain development, which is why babies sleep more," said Jha, assistant professor of neuroscience at SLS.

He added that this was the first time in India that research showed sleep deprivation impaired trace-learning in rats.

Recent research from the University of Notre Dame also shows that

[QUOTE who="Neville Thompson"]<quoted text> Does this prove they have the right of passage over these lands you mention ?[/QUOTE] You do not get any right just because your forefathers lived in a particular land. You get your right by taking possession of the land and by holding it to it against all odd. That is how nations are built and that is how they get permanency. If Arabs had abandoned the land of Makkah at any time during their 4500 years history, they would not get the right to come back simply because 'Ishmael' once lived there. I answered your question, where were jews living before they went to Egypt. If they captured that land of palestine and made it their homes, it was justifiable from every angle. But if they were kicked out of that land (for whatever reasons, I do not want to go into that) for 2000 years, they do not get "automatic right" to come back and re-possess their "inheritance". I do not know if any other people got hold of any land based on this principle.....only exception in my memory are the jews, who were re-settled in Palestine after a gap of 2000 years.

[QUOTE who="Shiela"] Let's see if the statements in the Koran teach that Islam is a peaceful religion: 01. The Koran teaches that all nations must submit to Islam and that sharia law should be the governing code of conduct throughout the world. 02. The Sharia teaches an obligatory set of rules to be followed and obeyed. This means that if your country doesn't follow sharia it needs to be installed!!!. 03. Islam has a call to kill and subjugate all other members of other faiths. It calls for jihad against the infidels(people who don't believe in Islam) Islam's view divides the world into two irreconcilable groups: Dar Al Islam-the house of Islam Dar al Harb-the house of war (made up of non muslims) 04. Koran 8:39 fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah 05. The object of military jihad is not only to convert people to Islam, but also to gain political control and exercise Islamic authority over a population. 06. Islamists consider jihad to be the sixth pillar of the faith.

07. Under Islam Jews and Christians were and are forbidden to construct new churches ,temples or synagogues in Muslim countries eg Saudi Arabia. 08. In western countries we allow them to build mosques and have Islamic schools. In Australia and all western countries this needs to stop. Why should they be allowed to build their mosques and yet we can't build our churches or synagogues in their countries. 09. Wake up everyone they are crying out that they are the victim when in fact it is us. They are taking advantage of the fact that we allow freedom of speech in our countries. We also allow them to spew out their hate against our countries. Wake up before it is too

To: Shiela So you have become shy of comparing Sharia laws with your man made laws dripping with Love, Mercy and Compassion (On the criminal, not on the victim) and check which is more effective to fulfill the aim for which laws are made. Now it seems you are bent upon to prove that Quran only teaches hate and nothing else. I do not know depth of your knowledge about Islam, but it is superficial seeing the offhand way and generalization you use in your posts. I think a few introductory remarks are needed before I answer your points: 01. If any one denies use of force in establishing and maintaining rule of law in any nation, then he is not a practical man and he does not know or has no experience in actually ruling a nation. 02. Irrespective of how Reasonable, Logical, Dripping with Love, Compassion are your teachings, there will be people who will not accept it. Not only that they will plot against you are try to harm you and those who follow you. 03. This is human nature and it has happened in all ages past and present and shall happen in future also. So there should be a means to control situations like that. 04. Some people will say that one must not use force under any situation and conditions and give examples of certain people who were martyred to the cause and did not use force. 05. But can we generalize this action for every human, if some people were martyred to the cause, there were many who took up the cause and subdued those who were opposing it. 06. Of all religions, it is Christianity which boasts maximum about Love, Compassion and Non Violence and present Jesus Christ and his (alleged) crucifixion as Supreme example of such behaviour. I want to ask, was that the way Christianity spread into the world? Christianity spread fast when Roman Empire accepted Christianity and used State Power against those who were against Christians and Christianity. 07. And if Jesus did not approve war and use of force, why Christians became the people who spilled maximum human blood on this earth.

[QUOTE who="Fact"]MUQ , Have you seen a single Jew protest by killing people?[/QUOTE] Jews "routinely" kill small children and women and old people who "protest" against their misrule in Palestine!! Jews are behind that Media that spreads lies and half-truths against Islam , and they have created the rift between Muslims and Christians and they are reaping the benefits of that rift. The Crimes of Jews are much more serious than killing a few people here and there, they are planning destruction and killings of humans on a much larger scale. For starters 9/11 was one of their brainchild , they planned and executed it and put the blame of those 19 hijackers, who might not even know that WTC Towers were designed to withstand strike by fully loaded jetliners striking them at full speed. The way they collapsed like house of cards, cannot be explained by science or engineering. I do not know why you posed that "innocent" Question!!

[QUOTE who="Shiela"] I went to a private catholic college and was "brought up as a catholic". Most of them are the biggest hypocrites around. They celebrate pagan holidays and think that the pope is God on earth. We were taught about heaven and hell and yet if you research hell it is just a hole in the ground. Heaven is not where believers will be going. If you read the bible nowhere does it say that we will be in heaven. It states that we will live on earth and be ruled by Jesus from Jerusalem. I don't know what your beliefs are but mine are that Jesus died for us and it is up to us as to whether or not we take up the option of eternal life by our actions. I respect others who do not believe this but what I do not accept is radical muslims trying to force others to accept their beliefs and way of life [/QUOTE] Ans. Sorry to but into your personal life. But this short passage tells many thing about you and the way your thought process go. You were raised as a Catholic and got info from scriptures.. then you rebelled against Catholics and Made your own little Church so to say. You are free to accept or reject any of the Churchs teachings without any proof, just because You do not like it. Your comments about heaven and hell are very childish to say the least and shows your own immaturity and lack of understanding. Why you believe that Jesus died for your sin, when you rejected so many of the teachings of Catholic Church? The very idea of some one dieing for sin of another is the most illogical and unreasonable thing that one hears. This and Jesus somehow being connected with God were the things that your mind should have rejected, if you used reasons and logic. But you accepted that and rejected the concept of heaven and hell,

[QUOTE who="Abdullah 1940"] The Ahadith are not part of the Qur'an. While I think it is wrong for a Muslim to be a Hadith rejector I do not believe any Muslim should read them without proper training in how to ascertain the Authenticity and reliability of them. Not all Ahadith have been verified as being true. Out of nearly a million books of ahadith only the compilation by Bukhari has been sufficiently verified to know that at least the alleged witnesses did exist and did report what it is said they reported. But even then many have only one witness and no other reports to support what was reported. [/QUOTE] Ans. My Dear Brother Abdullah Assalam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah Brother I love and respect you and admire your balanced posts on this thread. So please do not take in negative sense what I am going to write. While your general statement that Hadith are separate from Quran and they are always given second position as Source of Law after Quran. Is correct and there is never disagreement on this. But It is not correct to say that Only Bukhari has been sufficiently verified. And that a Million or so books of Hadith were written. Both these claims are wrong, many books of Hadith were written, but the collection does not reach anywhere near to that figure. The Original Book s of Hadith called as UMMAHATUL KUTUB do not even reach to a figure of 100. And most of these books have been thoroughly analyzed and verified by Muslim Scholars. Out of these 100 odd books, six have been categorized as Very reliable and named Six Reliable books of Hadith SIHA-ESITTA They are: 1. Collection of Hadith by Imam Bukhari

[QUOTE who="Yaudheya"] 04. Thank you , if you donot tell us we would not have gained this knowledge ? There is no authority to explain Hinduism because if we accept this we will have to separate Aajivak , Lingayat etc. from Hinduism . .. 05. Do you know the meaning of NARANSHASI [ Soch samajh kar bolna , Sanskrut ka mamla hai ] and from which time Puran have gained greater place then GEETA . Muhammada and PURAN'S prophecy -- Only Bhavishya Puran describes Muhammad as MAHAMAD of ARABIA G. If Allh knows best then .. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Thank you for your post. This is a public thread and there are people with different level of knowledge and educational background. The thing which seems trivial to you might not be known to many people even many Hindus on the thread. And I see the type of knowledge you people display against Islam and Muslims, showing that you people lack even the basic knowledge about Islam, Quran and our prophet. What I wrote about Gita is true. It is not a primary scripture of Hinduism. Some people call it is Nectar of Vedas, It condenses the teaching of Vedas in one short book etc. It gained so much importance in our recent time, because it supports the philosophy of AWAGAMAN and God taking human form which are Current in Hindus of our times. But that was not the situation in ancient and Vedic times, no one believed in God taking human form and no one believed in AWAGAMAN also. These two are Human Philosophies superimposed on Original Hindu teachings. 02. There is always a problem when we try to decipher any prophesy from books written in another language on a person coming from another nation. The prophesies are made in the language of that nation and it uses

[QUOTE who="Shiela"] 01. There is no comparison between Islamic laws and our laws. Our laws are based on love, forgiveness, compassion and turning the other cheek. 02. Islam does not unite humanity. Most of the wars of today in the world are the result of Muslims fighting with others or each other, .. 03. Mohammed was illiterate- he couldn't read or write. So who was it that actually wrote the Koran, .. 04. Australia needs to be aware of the Muslims in Australia trying to bring in Sharia law. ..

05. We are a Christian country and want to keep it that way. .. 06. The koran also promotes violence and intolerance of other religions. Koran 9:5

07. Christianity on the other hand promotes forgiveness and love. .. 08. I do not have an problems with moderate muslims who are not into "jihad 09. There are roughly 500,000 Muslims in Australia and that is more than enough. .. [/QUOTE] Ans. Your post is based on misconception upon misconception, I do not know where you did it knowingly or due to sheer ignorance. I could have given you benefit of doubt, but your Quoting from

[QUOTE who="Skeptic"] No MUQ, Mohammed tried to steal the finish work away from God that Jesus accomplished on the cross. And Muslims are still trying to squash the works of Jesus on the cross. God prevailed over Mohammed and his followers. Gods Church founded by Jesus on the cross is the light in the world. [/QUOTE] Ans. What is the work that can be finished when someone is put on the Cross? Last words of Jesus did not show that his work was finished, he is supposed to have said Eli, Eli LAMA SABAQTANI. i.e. O God, O God why have you left me. Is that the Job completion report that one submits to God after doing it? Later the Christians made his supposed death on the cross as the basis of a new religion. All your logics are derived from sayings of St. Paul, who never met Jesus, never learned any thing from him and passed on his own philosophy as coming from jesus. And dumb people like you, followed St. Paul blindly, without verifying his claim. How come God prevailed over Prophet and his message, considering that his mission (started 600 years after Christianity) is catching up fast with that of His (supposed) Son!! Very soon Muslims will be the biggest religious group on this earth!!

PS: And why our prophet stole ANYTHING from Jesus? Did he say: Jesus is not son of God, but I am son of God?

[QUOTE who="Truth"] 01. I don't want to criticise Mohammad or Islam. You muslims are free to follow him. 02. But why do want everyone to convert to islam? 03. You say that it is written in Quran that Mohammad was the last prophet, but we have not read this anywhere in Geeta or Bible. 04. You claim that only you muslims have got true message of god through Quran. Even a christian or a hindu can claim the same. 05. According to you only Mohammad was the real prophet. What about Krishna and Jesus? Was they ordinary people( Tom, Dick or Harry)? 06. You must have read Gita and Bible. Haven't they gave us message of humanity, love and forgiveness. Was Krishna not propagator of 'karmyoga'? Have they said us to worship Satan? 07. Are Sanatan Dharma and Christianity 'mini religions'? It is good to follow your religion but criticising other religions is intolerance. [/QUOTE] Ans. Again you have asked so many questions in one post, each of them requires a very long answer, It would be best if you only ask one question at a time. I will only provide short answers to these questions. A. Do not want to criticize Islam or Prophet: This is a very good tract, please stick to it. B. Why we want every one to convert to Islam? There are many reasons, 01. we are not selfish people, we want to share the message of Truth with every one, so they also get all the benefits of next life and save themselves from hell fire. 02. Our prophet was the last prophet and after him there shall be no more prophet. Now the responsibility of delivering the message of Islam to humanity is on Muslims. If they do not do their work, they

[QUOTE who=" "] [/QUOTE] Ans. Jews divide humanity on the basis of who was born of Jacob, children of Jacob (Israel) are in one group and children of all other persons on earth are in another group. And now someone is trying to divide humanity based on the color of their eyes. Those having Blue eyes form one Group and those having other color of eyes. He forgot to explain how these people got blue colored eyes in the first place and what is their significance. In Islam we are told that we all are children of one pair of Humans (Adam and eve) and these outer differences are only to recognize each other and not to despise each other. But these people will discriminate humans, some one based on who was their forefather, and another one on what color are your eyes. Some may differentiate on the basis of color of your skin, curling of your hairs, how big your toenail is and more!! Islam unites humans and humanity and these people tend to divide them.

Now here is our :learned friend giving the rulings from the Bench on Islam and its practices. No doubt our Friend has acquired the position of Expert which persons like Yaudheya, Haji Kaji, Harminder, ITRE and others displayed. In reality Islam is the religion that has perfect balance of Rituals and faith believed into one!! And the thing about Islam which causes most pain to our Expert is that why Muslims are so sure in everything they write. These experts have spent their life in doubts and dis-belief , because whatever argument they think from their mind, a counter argument is also generated by the same mind..so that are moving in this infinite circle, standing at the same place after moving round and round in circles for their entire life. They have not tasted faith and that is why they feel strange when people declare their faith firmly and based on the Revelation from Quran and Authentic sayings of the prophet. How can they feel about a thing which they have never tasted? So the biggest achievement for a human according to these experts is Not to believe in any thing and continue search for the truth and end your life as a disbeliever and as a doubting Thomas. Can any one tell what would be the end and what do they deserve when they die? You make the guess!!

In Fact Islam was the ONLY religion on the face of this earth which acknowledged that God sent Prophets and revelation to all nations and in all ages. Not only that, Islam went one step further and said that all those prophets and messengers preached the same message of Universal Truth called Islam. Can any religion be broader minded and accommodative than Islam? Before Islam, Jews were happy with what guidance they had, denying that God could love and send revelations to any other nation besides Israel. Christians also cared least about what revelation was sent by God to any nation other than Jews. They had only one Point Agenda, Jesus Christ, there was nothing before him and there will be nothing after him. Hindus were like wise busy in singing praises for their own land and their own religion. There was nothing worth seeing and respecting in any country after India. Indian civilization, Indian culture, Indian way of living, Indian mountains, Indian Rivers, Indian fields, Indian ponds were the best of the best in the world. The same was the case with Chinese, Japanese, and Egyptians, all living within their wells and each caring only about their wells. It was Islam and prophet of Islam who broke all these man made boundaries. It was Islam which addressed people in a Universal way, "O Children of Adam". It was Islam which rejoined humanity on the basis of common parentage, Now these people are complaining "Why Islam broke" the walls of wells we had created with so much efforts, why it is calling us to examine our Scriptures and dig out the "Universal Truth" which was preached by our Original prophets. Why Islam interferes with our beliefs, why it is not content to live like any other "religion" and create its own well!! We shall be very happy if Islam makes its own well and lives in that and then we can co-exist, each within our own well. In short why want us to believe in Original Message. Why call us to live our lives according to Vedas? If our forefather erected idols, why criticise this practice, if we do

[QUOTE who="Truth"] 01. Sir, what do you want to prove that all muslims are gentlemen and Hindus are root cause of all evils? 02. Who killed guru Arjundev? Who killed innocent Hindus and Sikhs in 1947? 03. What is the condition of minority Sikhs and Hindus in Pakistan? 04. Who is responsible for 9/11 and who attacked Hotel Taj? 05. According to you humanity is not drained out from muslims then why it is so that most of the terrorists are muslims. Sir, you seem to me a very learned person. 06. So it is your moral responsibility to put true picture in-front of us. 07. I can not say that islam is bad, as I know that there have been many great muslims on this Earth. [/QUOTE] Ans. I thank you for calling me a learned person, many of your friends on the thread would hotly contest this claim!! You have asked many questions in your short post, I would answer them briefly 01. I NEVER said that ALL Muslims are gentlemen and all Hindus and Sikhs are evil. I said that in every society there are people who are good and who are evil. We should not bracket all people in one group and spread hate and hatred against them. What I write is in accordance with my above principle. 02. Who killed Arjundev? He was killed during his fight with the Govt. of Delhi. Who killed innocent Sikhs and Hindus in 1947? Do you know how many innocent Muslims lost their lives in 1947 , before 1947 and since 1947 in India? Who killed them? Hindus or Sikhs or Muslims? Let us not hide our side of criminals and point fingers only at other people. This is the attitude due to which no problem is solved in the world today.

[QUOTE who="Yaudheya"] If ' circling ' is not worship , if ' kissing ' is not worship then what is method of worship in Islam ? And Hindus also express their devotion by prostrate . When and where did you see any Hindu to say -- O idol of Lord ..... They always say , o God ..... It means that they look idol as the symbol of God so as Mohammadans look KAABA as the temple of GOD . [/QUOTE] Ans. The basic definition of Idol is something which is made in the image of some known object in the Universe. A stone which is uncut and unshaped is not an Idol, because it does not represent any shape. An Idol becomes holy because it is the image of that god which people worship. The worship rites are performed in front of idol, which some one does for Real God. They wash the idols, they clothe them, they bow before it, they prostrate before it, they offer it food, they sacrifice animals for pleasure of that idol etc. etc. None of these things are applicable to Kaaba. Its building is not in shape of any thing. The building itself has no significance, it has been re-built many times and repairs are still done from time to time. No one worships Kaaba, or bows and prostrates to it, what they do while going around Kaaba is singing praises for the Lord of Kaaba, Not Kaaba itself. Even if the building of Kaaba is not there, people would still go around it, so it is not Kaaba they are worshipping, but the One for whose Worship Kaaba was built!! Calling Kaaba as Temple of God, has nothing wrong, provided you have proper concept of what is meant by Temple. The word temple is not a Hindu word, it is used for any place of Worship. And Kaaba is called a House of God not in the sense that God lives inside Kaaba!! Since it was constructed by Prophets Abraham and Ishmael in response to the command of God, it is called as House of God or House of Allah. I know why you people are trying all this, that is to confuse people

Sikhs in India (Varying Scenario) : A. Early Sikhism: 01. No one knows how exactly the Sikh religion started. Because Guru Nanak by any standard did not start a new religion. At best it was a sort of subset of Sufi and BHAKTI movement that was going around at that time. After death of Guru Nanak, his followers started a new religion in his name (same thing which we saw in the case of Sai Baba, some one from Puttupurthy used Sai Baba of SHIRDI as a demi-god and used his name to stake claim to his god head). 02. But soon this group organized themselves into a militant group and picked up fight with the Mughal Empire of that time. It was a political struggle and had nothing to do with religion. It had sympathies of local Hindu population or not is debatable. The fight against the central rule was carried out using gorilla techniques, which are still to be seen in the many separatist movements that we see in India and elsewhere. 03. When it gained religious color is not clear, because Mughal Emperors did not fight Sikhs because they were following a separate religion, because India from the very beginning had Hindus in majority and there were so many sects and factions of Hindus that Sikhs being one more did not make much difference. 04. Sikhs got a separate religious identity only when their Tenth Guru gave them distinct dress code and rituals and religious directions to keep their identity. But at no stage Sikhism was a complete religion by itself. 04A It lacked jurisprudence and that is why It borrowed from Hinduism and islam whenever there was any need. Majority of Hindus considered Sikhs as one sub sect of Hindus, and views them as Fighting arms of Hindus against Muslims. B. Sikh Power at its peak: 05. The peak of Sikh powers came when British came to India, and Mughal Empire was finished, during the freedom war of 1857, Sikhs by and large supported British Empire and after the end of war, British gave them many concessions. 06. In their haydays, with Lahore at their Capital, The state of Punjab started just after Delhi and extended upto Kashmir. It was a very big province of India and Sikhs were ruling over all that area, and their glory was at their peak. 07. Some how or the other Sikhs had that Anti Islam and Anti

C. Sikhs and Partition of India 08. It was in this background that demand for Pakistan and bifurcation of Border states raised its voice during 1930 s and 1940 s. It is not for me to go into details of the Pakistani movement, but as per the demand the State of Punjab was to be divided into two parts, the Western part was to go into Pakistan and Eastern part was to remain with India. 09. This was a very critical time for Sikhs to decide their future. It is on records that MA Jinnah asked Sikhs to demand their own independence from India, and in return they will be given a Special status in Pakistan. They would get their self rule in the areas which they control. 09A. It was a very good offer, the one which would have benefited them in the long run, there were many Sikh Leaders who wanted to take that option but somehow or the other, majority of Sikh Leaders decided to reject it and remain with India and their Hindu Brothers, rather than take largesse from Muslims and Pakistan. 10. That would have been a debatable decision, but no one can take exception to it. But what happened next was not which any civilized society should have been proud of. During the partition when large numbers of Muslim refugees had to migrate from India to Pakistan and had to cross the entire state of Sikh controlled Punjab . It was here that armed gangs of Sikhs with swords and guns and knives attacked the trains and caravans of Muslims fleeing India.. 10A. It is was in the state of Punjab that close to 1,000,000 to 1,500,000 innocent men and women and children lost their lives. No one can describe the scenes on those trains, only people who have seen it can describe it. (There is no exaggeration, when we see how Crowds reacted during recent Gujarat riots, one can foresee the similar scene on a larger scale being played during the partition riots). (Contd) .

Sikhs in India (Varying Scenario) : D. Sikhs after Independence: 11. During partition riots, Sikhs did what they did, thinking that they have taught Muslims a lesson, and taken revenge for what Mughal Emperors did to themat the back of their minds they might be thinking of some rewards from their Hindu Brothers for their contribution to the Safety of their Nation. But they were due for a strange surprise. The Think Tanks of Hindus knew the exact place where Sikhs were to be placed in Independent India. 12. As mentioned that Punjab was one of the big provinces of India, it started from Delhi and extended right upto Kashmir (Kashmir was also once part of Sikh Empire but was sold to some Dogra Hindu King for a paltry sum, some decades back). During partition, one half of Punjab was merged with Pakistan. But still it was a big province. Sikhs were in large numbers in Military and Indian Hockey team was mainly composed of Sikhs. They controlled the transport business etc and were very well placed economically 13. Right after Independence Sikhs started asking for their rights, they wanted a land where Punjabi should be official language the same demands were being raised from other states as well. So the action of restructuring states started. In one such exercise, new state of Himachal Pradesh was created removing hilly areas from Punjab and merging it with the new state. The size of Punjab was reduced.!! 14. When the demands of Sikhs for Punjabi language persisted, the Hindi speaking people of Punjab demanded that they be separated from Punjab. So in 1967, the state of Punjab was further divided into two parts, one called Punjab with Punjabi as official language and another as Haryana with Hindi as its official language. The demands of Sikhs were met, but the size of Punjab was cut to half!! Less than 1/5th of the Original Punjab!! This is what Sikhs got in Independent India for being loyal to Hindus during partition!! 15. Not only that, the city of Chandigarh which Sikhs wanted as their capital was shared between Punjab and Haryana!! A separate struggle was needed to decide the fate of that city. Even after 55 years the city is still shared between Punjab and Haryana!! 16. Then slowly and slowly, Sikhs domination in Indian Military was diluted, the Sikh Regiment was Sikh only in name, its structure was changed permanently.

E. Sikhs and Khalistan Movement: 17. When the movement for Khalistan (independent nation for Sikhs) started in 1970 s and 1980 s, then another face of Hindu Big brothers was seen. The Indian army attacked Sikhs Holiest shrine of Golden Temple and killed thousands of Sikhs, and then they entered there again to show the Sikhs the real status of their Golden Temple then during 1984 Anti Sikh riots, the True position of Sikhs was shown to them. There was not a shop belonging to any Sikh even in the remotest village of North India which was left unattacked. 18. Only shops of Sikhs that were safe from Vandalism were those that were in Muslim majority locations!! Muslims could have also settled their scores with Sikhs if they wantedbut Islam does not teach that you harm innocent people. Muslims did not take any part in these Anti Sikh riots and showed that whatever Sikhs did to them during partition riots has not drained out humanity from Muslims. 19. So this is a short history of Sikhs and their anti Islamic tirade and what they got in Independent India. They Rule a small state of Punjab, with Punjabi as language, their Capital is shared with Haryana, their presence in Army is marginal, Indian Hockey team has only two or three Sikhs, and Transport business is slowly slipping from their hands. There is no monopoly of Sikh Drivers on Indian highways. Punjabi which was almost Elites language of conversation in Delhi in 1960 s a 1970 s went on the sidelines after Anti Sikh riots of 1984. No one now speaks Punjabi unless he is a Sikh!! 20 To add salt to injury, Sikhs were bracketed with Hindus in the Hindu Marriage Act and other Personal Laws enacted for Hindus during 1950 s, The Sikh demand to consider them separate from Hindus is still being considered by Indian Govt.!! Welcome to Free and Independent India, where everyone is equal and there is no discrimination!! Perhaps Sikhs had not studied the CHANAKYA NITI, they act before they think, as popular sayings go. 21. The Punjabi language however has become a first language for Pop songs and pop music, and bravery of Sikh boys and girls are to be appreciated by the dances and moves which they make in these songs and dances!!

[QUOTE who="NT"] I have read your words of disdain for other lands. [/QUOTE] Ans. I do not know in which connection you made this comment. But what you mentioned is very fundamental, and I have my own views on that. 01. In our Modern times, Nations have taken the place of idols, which people used to worship in the past. Whatever rites and sacrifices people used to perform in front of their old idols now are performed before their New Idols i.e. their nations!! 02. No crime is a crime if it is done in the name of protecting your Nation, no injustice is injustice if performed in the name of your nation. 03. Their Political Leaders and those in charge cheat, murder, plunder and exploit and plan destruction of millions of people, just for the sake of Security and safety and Economic well being of their Nations. 04. My nation, right or wrong is always right, is the slogan of these Nationalist and Patriotic people. This wrong notion of Extreme nationalism and patriotism has already plunged world into two World Wars and there is always looming the threat of one or more World wars. 05. Islam is the strict monotheist religion and it broke every idol that existed in their society and that is why Islam is also against this Modern Idol of Nation. 06. We are divided into nations and tribes, not that we take these nations and their safety and security even above our Creator and do every sort of crimes and inequity just for the sake of well being or safety of our nation. 07. We find the true position of Nation and Patriotism in the life of

[QUOTE who="The Advocate"]Funny how apparently being Jewish in the government must mean you're in cahoots with Israel, to say nothing of the Catholics in government, the Muslims in government, the Hindus in government, the Sikhs, Rastafarians, Mormons, animists/pagans, atheists...oh, the list could go on! They must all be on the Vatican's/India's/Saudi Arabia's/Midwest US/Ethiopia's side then if they belong to different denominations! The hilarity of this will never cease to amaze me!![/QUOTE] There is un-proportionally High Number of Jews in sensitive Govt Jobs, in Media High positions, in Banks, in Stock Broker firms, in Insurance companies, in Law firms and in Think tanks than their percentage of population. This alone should have alarmed the majority of people, how come such a small group became so powerful in their country? Remember when one Arab company won the tender to run of the shipyard, how much the media created hype as if the US Govt was to be handed over to an Arab country.....would the same hype be made if that Company was based in Israel? And on many occasions these Jews have shown that they are more loyal to Israel than to USA, they have misused their position to give wrong advice to US Govt. So it is high time, that majority population take a note of this high percentage of Jews in sensitive posts and the pressure they put in formulating Govt. polices.

[QUOTE who="NT"] 1. Hello MUQ how long did the original Quran last before it would have been rewritten on new parchment because of wear and fading of the script ? 02. I am curious to know how many Quran's would have been made available to the people to memorize

3. What gain over another person would someone be fanatical within their religious faith that their way is the better way seeing everybody is praying to the same God on the same level as equals ? [/QUOTE] Ans. A. What is the life of Original Manuscript of Quran 01. You have asked a very good question and the one which might seem puzzling to many people. The life of any manuscript depends on the material on which it is written and how that manuscript is preserved. 02. In case of Quran, of the eight or so copies made by Othman the Third Caliph, two survive to this day, intact!! 03. Any one can take ANY Quran, printed or handwritten at any time and compare them with these original manuscript and he or she will not find any change in it. Not a single letter or word is lost in past 1400 years. 04. And that was not due to people concentrating on the manuscripts, it is because of the fact that Quran was memorized in full by thousands of people in all ages. 05. Even now, the best way to check any Quranic text, I to give it to some one who is not a memorizer of Quran and a group of Memorizers sit in a circle. The person reads each and every word from that manuscript, and the memorizers keep on listening, even a slight change , even in punctuation mark, raises the eyebrows from these people. I have seen it in action, if Quran is recited and any one makes a mistake, any memorizer near by would correct him. It is the dual preservation technique that has kept Quran so pure and so authentic

The situation in west is that people either have got "too much freedom" in one direction and "too little freedom" in another direction. They have "too little freedom" in economical matters, and tax laws and duties and rates and their political system. They have to work like slaves with no guarantee of jobs. Then on the other hand they have "too much freedom" on morality and religion. They are free to do every immoral act and negate every custom and practice as they wish. It is this misbalance which has made their lives unhappy. All these western countries with so high standard of living have also one of the highest suicide rates and cases of mental illness. That shows that their souls are unhealthy, they try to find cure for it thru sports, music, dance, alcohol, immoral sexual practices, pornography and what not. But the peace for Soul can only come thru remembrance of God and nothing else, what they try as cure is the only temporary relief. The Church which was supposed to be the guardian and upholder of Morality and Moral values has also given in to the modernity and is now endorsing Homosexuality and all other immoral association, that is why Church has little appeal for these people. That is why people in these countries are easy prey to any one bringing cures for the sickness of souls. Some of them are picked up by Freak Hindu organizations like Specialty Yoga, Hare Krishna and similar fringe groups, but they also provide temporary cure, because behind the facade of Yoga, Meditation etc are Money Minded Gurus who want to Milk their followers. In the end, they have nothing left except Islam, which does not compromise on issue of morality and people get attracted to Islam. Then there is a difference between people who accept Islam and those who accept Hinduism, Buddhism or Sikhism etc.....the moment they became Muslim, their life is changed forever. While being Hindu, Buddhists or Sikhs does not demand any fundamental change in their life style, the changes are just ornamental.

[QUOTE who="HughBe"]<quoted text> MUQ greetings, how does one become a Christian?[/QUOTE] If some one wants to become a Christian, he oe she must try to follow in the footsteps of jesus. He or she should take the worlds of Jesus as supreme and reject any thing and every thing that goes against these words. To start with, he or she should remove all writings of so called St. Paul from his bible and only concentrate on the words which jesus spoke in the First Three Gospels. The fourth Gospel is written in allegorical language and puts his own ideas in the mouth of Jesus. So anything in fourth Gospel which goes against the words of Jesus in the first three Gospels should also be rejected. Then one must follow the laws of Torah as Jesus was following... This is the HARD way to become a Christian... There is an EASIER way to become a TRUE Christian, believe in Last Prophet and you will become a True Christian as well as a Muslim and gain favor of Your Lord in this world and in the hereafter. Because even if you become a True Christian, Jesus advised you to believe in the Comforter who shall come after him and guide you into all truth. And that comforter is no other than our Prophet!! Thank you for asking a very good question!!

[QUOTE who="NINA"] I wouldnt ever deny anyone their homeland. So I suppose since you dont dispute my saying about Palestinians' right to their homeland, that means you acknowledge they both have a right to it ,so they should find a way to share it. Peacefully . This cant be for ever .. [/QUOTE] Ans. I thank you for your Noble sentiments. In fact for past 1300 years Muslims, Jews and Christians were living peacefully in the land of Palestine. There was no conflict, there was no fighting and the land was having peace for so many centuries. That all changed when this Zionist movement started around 1900 and was supported by Britain and America and other European nations. After the end of WW-1, Britain got the foothold in Palestine and allowed the Zionists landing there with the slogan Palestine belongs to Jews. That was the bad day for Palestine, because since that day, the land has not seen a single day of peace and no one knows how long the land and people has to suffer. Every one wants peace, but there is no one to catch the hand of Oppressor and Tyrant. Wishing for peace is very good, but nothing comes out of mere wishes.one must act for peace and path that lead to peace.

[QUOTE who="NQ"] Just so it is not thought I have abandoned the prophet project, MUQ -- I can't go back and review all the posts -- but I remember I left you with a question, which was basically -- why do you think I said that angels are not prophets, and only humans can be prophets? [/QUOTE] Ans. A. You abandoned the discussion:!! This is a big news for me. Do you think it was a trivial subject to find out what are the qualities of a True Prophet of God and how to distinguish between a True Prophet of God and a False one? You forget that I started this discussion based on YOUR remarks that according to you, our prophet was not a True Prophet of God . How can you abandon this discussion now, when I am asking you to provide your list of Qualities of a True Prophet of God? So far you have mentioned only two qualities, and both of them are very basic and trivial, which every one who deals in religious matters knows. And now you say that you have abandoned the discussion and being very busy in doing endless discussions with people on subjects that neither benefit you nor them in the long run (they are just idle discussions and mental relaxation). I am of the view that you never had any data on Prophets and their qualities from the first day itself. You never intended to have a serious discussion on this topic from the first day.and that was the reason, you showed little interest on my posts and now I have to almost force you to get a response from you. There are people on this thread who will see, as to which one of us was serious and devoted his time and energies to continue the discussion open. B. Angels as Prophets: Technically speaking Angles do come under the Title of Prophets of

[QUOTE who="M 114"] Apostle means to be sent. We have the testimony of Paul himself, and of Ananias and of the other apostles. Act 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: We also have the testimony of the Spirit which worked wonders by him. Act 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, . Let me ask you what evidence do you have Paul was not an apostle? . As a Messianic I have no problem with what Paul taught. If you wish to discuss I am willing to answer any questions you may have regarding his teaching. [/QUOTE] Ans. A. Proofs that Paul was an Apostle of Jesus: So if Paul claims that he was an apostle of Jesus, it is sufficient for you to accept him as an Apostle of Jesus? And then who is this Ananias? Has he written any book? It was Luke who mentioned his name and Luke was no Apostle of Jesus either. Just look at your proofs, you keep on demanding proofs from us on those prophesies while you yourself accept Paul as an Apostle of Jesus, without any proof whatsoever. B. Why I reject Paul as An Apostle of Jesus: The proofs that Paul was NEVER an apostle of Jesus are as clear as sun light on a clear day, consider the following: a. Paul NEVER met Jesus while, Jesus was alive and walking and teaching on this earth and choosing his Apostles and Disciples. How can he claim after death of Jesus that he has been appointed as an Apostle of Jesus? It is the most self serving claim. b. Before his alleged conversion, he was an avowed enemy of followers of Jesus so that shows his mental condition to start with.

[QUOTE who="B of 3"] First it is a misnomer to say that atheist don't "believe" in anything...atheism is simply the lack of belief in deities... to answer your question though...no, I do not know of anything that happens to you after you die...no one does, but if you think you do, then you need to have more evidence than the musings of bronze age mystics. [/QUOTE] Ans. A. What Atheists do believe in? 01. According to my definition Atheists are the one who do not believe in any Creator of this Universe and in any religion or Divine guidance. 02. From one side, these are people who have rejected the religious beliefs of their parents and societies which are unable to satisfy their queries. So they are real thinkers and rebels of the society. 03. Then from another side, they are the most unreasonable people, because they see this big universe and everything in it and how it is working with perfect coordination, and still do not feel any urge to find out about who created this universe and what is the purpose of our life on this earth. 04. Not trying to find answer to these questions and them simply feeling content that they are on right path and all people who follow religions make them most illogical and unreasonable people on this earth. 05. It is my view, that if some one has become Atheist because his religion seems to not answer their queries, then he should study Islam and Quran with an open mind and it would provide answers to all of their doubts and queries. 06. But then these atheists take Islam as their biggest enemy and do not try to study it. The medicine which was to cure their sickness is never tried by these so called Atheists.so they end their life in confusion and negation. No society is made on negative phenomenon. B. What happens after death?

[QUOTE who="YM"] Dear Brother Moiz, Frankly speaking I think I do know what is the correct path I too have have listened to the Ahmed Deedat, Dr Israr, Dr Naik. There are many things that Muslims in the subcontinent practice in the name of religion but are actually unislamic/Shirk. But hoiw are we going to convince the sects within Muslim to come on the same platform. Can we expect Shia to come on same as Sunni and could Sunni put up with them abusing Hazrat abubakr ra, Umar farooq ra and hazrat usman e ghani ra. Ahmadis call themselves the chosen ones now can we ignore that the prophethood had ended with our holy prophet pbuh and try to assimilate Mirza Ghulam ahmed qadiyani the way ahmadis want the Muslims to do. l don't have an entire list nor I am great student of religious history/principles but there is shia, sunni, deobandi, barelwi, ahmaddiya, wahabi, hanafi, salafi etc etc. How are we going to eradicate this division amongst us. Do you any solution in mind for this? As for Muslim rulers of India the trouble is in Pakistan all of them are hailed as ghazis and they've built their reputation in the same mould as pirs, khalifahs etc. One should take a step to remind Muslims of Pakistan that these invaders and their deeds got nothing to do with Islamic principles they were just imperialists who were Muslims they don't have any special authority or position on Islam. For example on the day of judgement I know Allah will not question me on whether Mohd Bin Qasim was a hero or villain to me but I will certainly be asked did I believe in the prophethood of our holy prophet pbuh and all other prophets before him. I have seen and observed Yaudheya very well he is NOT willing to accept the follies on the part of Congress which played a part in Partition.

[/QUOTE] Ans. Wailakum Assalam Brother Yaseen I thank you for your honest post and this is not your condition but the condition of most young Muslims who only get secular education but none or very little of religious education. They are Muslims as their parents were, if their parents belonged to a particular sect of Muslims, they also follow the same sect without thinking and without analyzing the truth.

[QUOTE who="Biiguy"] 01. No, but God is helping the Jews fight against Muslim tyranny, oppression & terror... 02. You'll note that you DON'T accept the Bible... only the Quran.. since those parts of the Bible you accept are what your Quran takes. 03. And that is the difference between us, since I don't accept the Quran at all, save as an amalgamation of laws taken from the Bible, and assorted tales... [/QUOTE] Ans. 1. There could be justice in your statement, if Jewish Oppression, tyranny and injustice were better than Muslim rule But we find that it is totally reverse. After initial fights lasting a few years, Muslims were able to restore peace in these lands for many centuries. It is around 100 years since Jewish settlers first set their foot on the Holy Land of Palestine and since that day, the land has not seen a day of peace. The atrocities which Jews have heaped on Palestinians men and women and children would curl the blood of every one except the one whose heart is made of stone. They have acted like bullies in the entire area and where they are unable to do any thing themselves they set "their dogs" on the task. They use USA and NATO and UN to bully these nations into submission. If you think that God is happy at this state of affairs and shall reward Jews for their courage. You have a very wrong concept of God then and you should revise it. 02. Since we know that Bible is changed and corrupted (and EVERYONE who has least knowledge of this subject, must accept it)..its statements cannot be taken as absolute truth on every matter. That is why we use Quran as a test for Bible and its statements. Anything in Bible which is confirmed by Quran, we accept it. Anything of Bible which Quran rejects we also reject it.

[QUOTE who="NT"] Who is really native to any lands seeing their ancestors came from somewhere else to be there. Do you remember me asking you why Arabs would live in their traditional lands seeing their environment can be cruel. [/QUOTE] Ans. A. Ancestral Land: If you really ask me, there is no land "permanent" to any people in the world. All humans have descended from Adam and they have equal rights on any land. As for Palestine, this land was not "original" to Jews at all. They were not born there. Abraham was not born there, neither were Isaac and Jacob and their forefathers of 12 tribes. Jews conquered this land when they came out of Egypt and "made" it their land. So once you take some land by force, it can also be taken back from your by force. That is why since the day Jews came to this land, it has not seen any day of peace, not even day and this shall continue, till the Jews are removed once more from this land. This is what history teaches us and that is what it is going to repeat itself. B. Arabs and their land: As regarding Arabs, when Abraham settled Ishmael, at the age of two in Makkah, the land was barren and unoccupied. So Ishmael did not have to fight and dispossess any one to settle there. And any one who take possession of a barren and desolate land becomes its owner is recognized by every one. So Arabs taking possession of Arabia is justified both logically and by reason.

[QUOTE who="Frijoles"] The only problem being, of course, is according to you, the QURAN is the ONLY path to God. Just as bad, as "my God is better than your God". [/QUOTE] Ans. Quran confirms that God did sent many books in the past to different nations and in different language. So THAT answers your question. But Quran claims that it is the Last and Final revelation from God for all mankind, the one which confirms, and guards all other revealed books. Quran is the ONLY revealed book in the world, which stands pure and free from any type of corruption. Quran is therefore the Gold or Platinum or whatever Highest standard one can assume, and every one can check the Quality and Caret Rating of their books thru it!! Hope I made my point clear!! PS: But there is nothing like My God and Your God, there is only One God, Who is same for all humans living in the world.

[QUOTE who="Tia"]<quoted text> Muhammad: "Verily God forbid the earth to consume the bodies of prophets" (Sunan Abu Dawud; Sunan al-Nasai; Sunan Ibn Majah) very interesting... even today somewhere underground, the prophets still look the same as they did thousands of years ago just found these, - Jabir ibn Abdullah narrated: My father was the first to be martyred in the Battle of Uhud and was buried together with another man. After 6 months I exhumed the body to bury him in a separate grave. I found his body in the same condition as the day he died, except for a slight change near his ears.(Sahih Bukhari) Caliph Muawiyah ordered the relocation of the graves of the martyrs of Uhud, - Jabir narrated: Upon exhuming the bodies we found them fresh as if they had died only the day before. While digging, a shovel accidentally hit the finger of one of the bodies, and it bled still.(Ibn Abdil Barr, al-Tamhid; Malik, al-Muwatta) - One foot of Hamza was accidentally injured while being moved, and it started to bleed.(Ibn Kathir, al-Bidayah walNihayah) Umar and Abu Bakr were buried alongside Muhammad in Medina. During the caliphate of al-Walid bin Abdul Malik, the wall surrounding their graves collapsed, - Urwah ibn Zubayr (nephew of Aisha) narrated: While people were clearing the debris, they saw one foot sticking out of the ground. Everybody thought it was the foot of the Prophet, but I told them it was Umar's.(Sahih Bukhari) [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE who="Advocate"] Question: why does no one on this thread seem to have a problem with Muslims and Christians being in power, but object when Jews are in a position of power? [/QUOTE] Ans. A very good Question indeed!! Why no one has any problem when Muslims, Chinese, Indians, Whites..rule their countries and expand their boundaries..why every one is concerned when Jews control a country? Firstly because Jews do not own any country!! They have lost all ideas to rule and run a country after their more than 2000 years of wanderings!! They are like a nomad people, who are happy to move from here to there!! And they got hold of Palestine, not because of any moral issue or by honesty, but my sleigh of hand and intrigue and secret planning. No one grudges when a Lion makes a kill in Forest and eats its belly full..while EVERYONE hates a weasel when it steals food and scavenges it!! Jews are like Weasels and Muslims and Christians and Chinese and other people are like Lions!! How can one equate Lion with a Weasel!!

[QUOTE who="NT"] 1. Hello MUQ, going on by something you said earlier, If I may ask of you, where did Islam get it's culture from ? 2. What do Moses and Muhammad have in common ? [/QUOTE] Ans. Islamic Culture, what are its sources: First of all, I want to thank you for asking a very good Question, if you survey the replies I get, there are very few, which ask a genuine question, most of them are filled with abuses, insults and rhetorics. So I value and saviour posts like yours. A. What is culture? Most people think, culture is the way you dress, the food you eat, the language you speak, the type of house you live in and other outward signs of a human society But the real meaning of culture is your values, your beliefs and the way you look at things and lead your lives. B. Islamic Culture: If we look from outward signs, Muslims scattered thru out the world, dress differently, speak different languages, eat different types of food and have houses that are different from each other.so some one may think that they are culturally different from each other? But the moment any Muslim from one part of the world meets any other Muslim from another part of the world, he immediately recognizes him and within a very short time, all these barriers of dress, food habits, language etc are blown over and they become like brothers . This is Islamic culture in action!! The opening Greeting Assalam Alaikum (Peace be on to you) and Wailukum Assalam (On you also be peace) demolishes all these outer differences and joins their hearts!! C. Sources of Islamic Culture:

[QUOTE who="Dragnet"] MUQ has raised a very pertinent point here about the fact that muslims cannot be assimilated into host cultures. Now let us look at various possible scenarios and how they contribute to unity amongst people. 1) The first scenario is where people follow a religious doctrine that says that their way of looking at God is only one of the many perspectives that man can have about God. Can this type of religious doctrine be inimical to unity? Definitely not, because it gives equal pride of place to other religious formulations on God. 2)The second scenario is where people follow a religious doctrine which says in very clear cut terms that their way of looking at God is the only right one, while other perspectives about God are false. But this type of doctrine is silent on how to treat people who fall outside the pale of its belief system. Can this type of religious doctrine be inimical to unity? Maybe yes, maybe not because there there is no clear formulation on how to deal with unbelievers. 3)The third scenario is almost similar to the second scenario, albeit with a minor difference. Unlike the second scenario, the third scenario envisages a situation where people are not only supposed to consider other religious doctrines as false but also actively work towards the elimination of those doctrines. This type of doctrine lays down very clear methods on how to deal with non believers and how to eliminate them. Can this type of doctrine be inimical to unity? Definitely yes. Now MUQ must honestly answer as to which scenario best describes Koran. If he can give a honest answer to that, then he can find answers to a lot of questions that is troubling him off late. [/QUOTE] Ans. Unity: There can be a fourth scenario also, that does not go for this fake unity but let people follow what religion they want to believe in. Here is Islamic Scenario for Unity A. First basis: Universal Brotherhood on account of common Parentage: Islam starts with the Universal Brotherhood and not one brotherhood that is derived based on Geography, Language, Color, Creed,

[QUOTE who="GT"] Hello sir, I am really happy to know the fact you understand the mental state of the suppressed minority!!!!!!!! But sir we love our Muslim friends anywhere in the world!!!!!!! You better ask any Muslims in North and East whether they like Sinhalese or Tamils better?????????? They will firmly take the stand that they prefer Tamils to Sinhalese!!!!!!!! Muslims are our friends!!!!!!!! But LTTE was against the it. They were therefore named terrorists!!!!!! So they were simply killed by GOSL forces. We have no problem with that. What about the innocent 50, 000 minority Tamils who were mercilessly butchered along with ltte in the last phase of the war?????????? Sir, 50, 000 is not something very simple and trivial to be turned down easily!!!!!!!

[/QUOTE] Ans. I thank you sister for good sentiments you expressed regarding Muslims. As a Muslim we were not party to this Tamil and Singhalese disputes, but I know that Muslims in SL were targeted by both the groups as to why they did not support one or the other. As a Muslim, I do not take any side and I speak truth and I think you need some one who is neutral and not emotionally biased towards any one party. Do not think that I do not know that many innocent Tamils were killed especially during the last phase of the war. I have sympathy with those who were killed and I also know that this is what happens, many innocent people loose their lives. We Muslims believe that once you die that is not the end of story, we have to be raised up and both killer and the victim would stand before their Creator and answer for their deeds. Innocent man will get his revenge on the last day. I do not know what Tamils and Singhalese believe about that. I do not know what is your age, but I am following this LTTE since we heard its name during 1970 s. When LTTE was formed, there were many Tamil organization, who were demanding Tamil Elam

[QUOTE who=" "] Jesus Christ Never Existed Cases for Christ's existence have been made by some but never hold up to a simple fact check as shown below. Historically speaking the absolute lack of evidence for a figure of the said time period means one of two things; the figure was very insignificant or did not exist. As it stands there is absolutely no historical evidence for the figure Jesus of Nazareth, son of Joseph, thus there is no reason to suggest he ever existed. In the decades around 1CE it was quite common for regular humans to have followers and be worshiped as the savior predicted by scriptures. It would be no big deal if there was evidence to suggest that Jesus was an actual person with a following like many of the other alleged saviors and miracle workers. However, as described below, there are several reasons to suggest that Jesus was not an actual historic figure which would explain why there is no record of him or his supposed following. Paul Created Jesus It is clear from a comparison of history and Paul's writings that Jesus was not a historical figure but rather a figure of Paul's imagination. History shows us that prior to Paul there is no mentioning or awareness of Jesus and that all later stories of Jesus are derived from areas where Paul made his stories known. Paul in his writings tells us that his knowledge of Jesus is based on his interpretation of scripture and not from another person. He also tells us that no one, aside from those who gained their knowledge from scripture, knew of the events related to Jesus until he personally shared the story with the public. "Historical Jesus" Although Jesus was not originally based on a real person some later aspects were. Certain stories in the Gospels suggest that some aspects of Jesus' life were loosely inspired by legends of an actual person or persons. Historians have dubbed this person(s) "Historical Jesus" because an actual name is not known. Outside of scripture there is nothing to suggest that this person(s) existed but certain scriptural writings about Jesus, such as the resurrection story, sound more like they were based on a real life regular human being than a demi-god figure. Disagreements In the Gospels Even though the gospels were not written independently of each other they still contain various discrepancy. Many contradictions are related to simple details such as the color Jesus' robe and who or

[QUOTE who="Roberta"] I never said they didn't worship the Lord after leaving Abraham. I said I wasn't sure. The Bible doesn't say very much about Ishmael's life after leaving Abraham, and nothing at all about whether or not he worshiped the Lord God of his father Abraham, or any other god. Ishmael was Abraham's son, of course (although the Bible NEVER calls him "the seed of Abraham"). However, Ishmael was NOT the Son of Promise. Rather, Isaac was. [/QUOTE] Ans. Thanks for quoting these Biblical verses to me. Yes I can understand your saying that you do not KNOW what God Ishmael worshipped when he was Sent Away (However if you had thought on the situation, the answer would have become crystal clear!!) If Jews and Christians were allowed to edit their Bible, they would have removed even the name of Ishmael from the text and would lead every one to believe that Isaac was the ONLY Son Abraham ever had!! This is nothing but only racism and jealousy at the base of it, the same they did to Esau, elder brother of Jacob (God loved Jacob and hated Esau) and Moabites (whose genealogy they linked with incest between Lot and his daughters). In their hatred towards Ishmael, they do not think how they are maligning the Character of Sarah, Abraham and even implicating God into these atrocities. Any the funny thing is that when one reads with open mind and try to reconstruct the events, he finds clear proof of mistakes, discrepancies and bias in these writings. And all these are now referred to God, because Bible is nothing but the Word of God. I would point out a few of these, which Jews and Christians would like to hide, or pretend that they never thought about it. A. Ishmael was the First Born Son of Abraham. And his status of First Born could not be taken away from him even if his mother was maid of Sarah. B. Ishmael was the son which Abraham prayed for, and God Himself gave the name. Such a son was definitely more loved by a

[QUOTE who="NT"] 01. Everybody lays claim to being the true messenger of God through their scripture and are prepared to bring wroth on others to prove to themselves that they are superior to that of others who make the same claim. 02. Why does one person have to be told by any religion that they must adhere to their beliefs, if that person chooses not to is castigated for their life for being who they are as one. 03. Why is religion necessary? [/QUOTE] Ans. I thank you for asking a very good question once again and I see you have already got an expert s reply!! But you know one quality of these so called Experts? Essential quality of an expert is that he or she should not have even least knowledge of the subject they are writing about!! So the guy is an expert by all means, I am a poor novice, so I will give you my answer in a little more detail: A. What is religion? This is a question which every one seems to be asking these days. People ask this question because they lack some fundamental principles. Religion basically is a way How to deal with your Creator and how to deal with your fellow humans. These are the basic functions of a human on this earth, therefore religion is necessary for every human to fulfill his function. B. Why cant human themselves decide what is their purpose of life? This is another natural question which comes to the mind of people. But there is a basic flaw, how can any thing decide his own Function? Any one observing nature will find that humans are different from all other creatures we see around us. They are given qualities and powers, which no other creature has, certainly they also have some purpose.

[QUOTE who="Frisky Freddie"]<quoted text> Muq, it is good to see a Saudi with a sense of humor. Since Jesus(pbuh) is a revered prophet in Islam, share with us his date of birth. Did you accidently imit "pbuh" after his name? As far as I know all Christian denominations know only the approximate date of his birth. There is no evidence that would stand up in court showing he ever existed.[/QUOTE] Thanks for discovering a Saudi can have sense of Humor.but for your info, I am an Indian working in Saudi Arabia..so you still have to search for a Real Saudi that has sense of humor!! Thanks for reminding that we should use PBUH before the name of Jesus Christ. We do in fact in our Arabic, Urdu and any Islamic language. No one takes the name of prophets like Noah, Abraham, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus without adding ALAHI AL SALAT WA AL SALAM i.e. on them be Peace and Mercy. It is only in English when we see that people who are supposed to be followers of Jesus Christ take his name without adding any thing before or after his name. That is why we use the same terminology, but your point is well taken and I expect you to start a movement that Christians must add PBUH after the name of Jesus. I will support you to the full extent PS: Regarding date of birth of Jesus Christ PBUH as 25 December, it would not stand in any court of law and not even in any religious court. There is not even the least evidence that Jesus Christ PBUH was born on Dec 25 0 BC / CE!!

Now some one has said that no Muslim speaks any good things about Jew? To find out the truth behind this statement, let us do some investigation. Certainly Muslims have got this attitude from Quran which is the highest authority in Islam and Final Word. So the source of this hatred must be in Quran, let us see, if Quran curses All Jews or makes any distinction between Good Jews and Bad Jews. So let us open Quran and see what it says about Bad jews: Shame is pitched over them (like a tent) wherever they are found, except when under a covenant (of protection) from Allah and from men; they draw on themselves wrath from God.. (3:112) Strong words, dont you think? But just following is exception , speaking about Good Jews (but) not all of them are alike: of the People of Book are a portion that stand for the right: they rehearse the verses of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration, they believe in God and the Last day; they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong.of all good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them (4:113:115) Can you find a more balanced way of talking about your eternal enemies? And this is not the only instance of its kind in Quran; in another place, we find the same attitude; first condemnation of Bad Jews and then praising Good jews. Listen to this about Bad jews: For the inequity of the Jews, We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them.and they took Usury though they were forbidden and they devoured mens wealth wrongfully; We have prepared for those amongst them who reject faith a grievous chastisement (4:160-161) Again there is exception for the Good Jews right after these verses: But those amongst them who all well grounded in knowledge, they believe in what has been revealed to you and what was revealed before you, and who establish regular prayers and pay charity and believe in God and the Last day, to them we shall soon give a Great Reward (4:162).

[QUOTE who=" "] [/QUOTE] Ans. [QUOTE who="biiguy"]<quoted text> Some Jews were, not all... just as some Jews were advisors to king Ferdinand.. Of course Mohamed also had non-Jewish advisors as well.. So... wither Jews were or weren't advisors is still irrelevant to the fact that, at khaibar, Muhammad had agreed to spare the lived of the Jews of Khaibar should they surrender. of course, after that surrendered, he massacred them. In short, lies, deceit, treachery. [/QUOTE] Who says Jews of Khaibar were massacred after they surrendered? It is totally wrong. Most of the Jews were given amnesty and they stayed in their lands till the prophet died. And they paid yearly tribute to the prophet. It was only during the reign of Caliph Omar that he asked them to vacate that land....and he forgave them tribute for two years and he gave instructions that no one should harm these people during their travels. And he gave them choice to pick up the place they wanted to go and he gave instructions that they be given the equal amount and quality of lands they had in Khaibar. I doubt if you find any other example like this when people deal with another people in the annals of history. Now, coming to prophet and slaying of "Some" Jews captured during Khaibar compaign. It was based on specific charges, like the one who promised that he will not hide any wealth and it was found that he had hidden a large treasure without telling Muslims. These were the persons who were executed for their crimes and treachery. There could be one or two examples like that when fugitives from justice had taken shelter in Khaibar and they were captured. No one can find fault with execution of such people and it does not come under the title "Massacre". One Quality of our prophet was Al SADIQ AL AMEEN (Truthful and Trustworthy) which he got from Pagans of Makkah when he did not declare his mission.

[QUOTE who="Alfie"] "The Quran cannot be translated this is the view of old fashioned Sheikh and modern Muslims." I agree. It is a known fact the original Arabic version of the Quran is even more bloodthirsty & hate mongering than the English translation we get, Islamic apostates fluent in Arabic will confirm this. Still "Slay the pagans wherever you may come upon them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every conceivable place..." (9:5). I think we get the drift.... [/QUOTE] Ans. A. Quran and its translations: I think you have some misconception and misunderstanding about this. What Islamic scholars mean is that no translation can take place of Holy Quran. I agree 100 % with this statement. Every language has its own sense of expression, which cannot be 100 % duplicated in any other language. Arabic words have so many shades of meaning for each word, to translate them exactly into another language is not so easy. And translations depend on the personal knowledge of Translators who might make mistakes while translating the passage. That does not mean that we should stop all translations? No, not by any means. We should do as Muslims do, print Arabic text along side the translations. So those who can read Arabic read and recite Quran in Arabic and then read its translation to know and understand its meanings. In case of doubt or any conflict, it is the Arabic text that must be used to solve the problem and not the translations. 02. Arabic Version is More Blood Thirsty? This is an exaggeration!! How could it be?

[QUOTE who="NT"] Does this mean that everytime God sends you a messenger you ignore that person . Jesus was treated the same way by the Jews. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Yes this has been a common trait with the prophets, It would have been a very lucky prophet, whom majority of his followers accepted on the first instant. 02. And it makes sense too, the prophets are not send just for the sake of sending, they are sent when there is a strong need of True guidance and people have more or less forgotten the true message of earlier prophets. 03. It is at that time that prophets come and revive the old message and it is but natural that these prophet met with ridicule and insults and opposition. 04. Prophets continue their struggle alongside these opposition and get full or partial success during their life times. 05. You are right, Jews did oppose Jesus and his mission and they thought that they have finished him and his message off when they went to arrest him that night at Gethsemane . But later events proved that it were Jews who were the losers. Jesus and his follower far outnumber Jews and Jews now depend on their existence to the same Christians whom they once considered lower than the dust below their feet. 06. Strangely both Jews and Christians did the same to Prophet Mohammad when he declared his mission!! And again it was proved that they were wrong. Islam and Prophet Mohammads (pbuh) continue to exist and flourish. 07. And since no new prophet has to come after our prophet came, so it is only Muslims who do not reject and oppose any prophet. While both Jews and Christians are guilty of rejecting some prophet of God. Allah Knows Best.

[QUOTE who="NT"] Why would a prophet need to have a following seeing that person is delivering a message from Allah ? [/QUOTE] Ans. Because that is the basic job of a Prophet!! A prophet is not a post in isolation. He is not a thinker or philosopher and he is not a postman to just deliver the message and go and sleep in his house. A prophet is sent to deliver the message from Allah and present himself as a role model for his people as to how to implement these teachings into life. He is a practical man of the world and not a recluse or ascetic. That is what separates a Prophet of God from Thinkers, and Philosophers and Poets etc who just speak and do nothing themselves

[QUOTE who="Dhimmi"] You forget MUQ that we Yahood have had a very different history from Muslims. We primarily lived as a small minority in host nations that were generally hostile to our presence. So any attempts to defend our religion or honour would have resulted in us being massacred. So we sacrificed honour for survival. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Yes I know that you Yahood have a very different story from Muslims and I have full sympathy with you people. 02. But if you reflect, you have only yourselves to blame for it and not YHWH. He brought you people out of Egypt and gave you people power in the land of Palestine and took a vow that you people would walk in His ways. 03. Yahood's power reached Zenith during the time of David and Solomon, when they had absolute power in the land. 04. But then they disobeyed the YHWH, gave no heed to the prophet's warning sent to them. Some they killed and some they banished and they fell into disputes and factions.. 05. They did not invite those living around then to their religion, always treating them with contempt and always trying to dominate them with their physical power. 06. That was their attitude when Jerusalem was taken over for the first time and Yahood were taken into captivity for seventy years. 07. After 70 years YHWH again had mercy on your people and released them from captivity and gave back power to them in Jerusalem. But they again forgot their vow to THWH and repeated the same thing. 08. When Jesus was sent as last prophet to Yahood, instead of heading his message, Yahood became his arch enemy. And in the end said "It is good for nation if one man die" that is why YHWH 's anger came to Yahood and they were banished once again from Jerusalem in year 70 CE. 09. But in which ever country they went, they were not loyal to that country. They exploited those people thru Usury and every deceitful means. That is why they could never win the trust of those nations. 10. When the Last and Final prophet appeared in Arabia, it was a

[QUOTE who="Eric"] Because G-d said so. And, yes that's true. You keep on telling people to learn about Islam--which I for one have. But, you make no effort to learn about other religions. You spend your time trying to tear them down but you don't learn the fundamentals of belief. [/QUOTE] Ans. Where God did said that? Might I question? I need not have to learn about other religions in that much detail. You might know that when a new edition of a book comes, one need not waste his or her time in studying older editions. When Quran came and brought a New Universal Code for all nations of the world, one must study it with care and devote his or her time in understanding it. We can scan thru older scriptures just to have a general view of them and which parts are harmony with Quran and which are not. We need not have to study these older scriptures to learn any point of law. I do not tear down older religions, I just point out that they are from the same source and we have many things in common. And there are ample proofs to show that these documents were tampered with. But when the Last and Final Book has been given, that is the one which shall be applicable for doing things.

[QUOTE who="Bradock"] 01. Why would a Christian accept Jesus as a muslim when islam was not even invented when he walked the earth. 02. Why would God send Jesus as the new beginning, and the spawn of Christianity if suddenly 500 years latter all of a sudden he was actually a muslim? 03. Come on MUQ, Christians know, and are taught that towards the end times many false prophets will walk the earth trying to lead people away using false religions and that the false religions are responsible for all sorts of sin and slaughter. 04. Given satans obvious grip on the so called religion of islam how can you expect anyone to look seriously at islam as the way and the truth when your own religious leaders cant even interpret it in ONE way. 05. Your religion is deeply confused, deeply flawed and comes from the ramblings of a mad man in which only the simpletons of the middle east are fooled by it. 06. It is truly sad that so many are giving there faith to such an obviously false religion and given the pain it has caused the people of earth it amazes me as to what you muslims are going to say to the one true god when he makes you explain the horror your followers have caused in his name. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. You do not know the meaning of the word Islam, otherwise you would not have made such a comment. Was there any Christianity when Jesus left the world? Was the religion of jesus Christianity? Did Jesus ever called his followers with the name of Christian? No, No, No, Christian and Christianity are invented by humans. Islam means submitting one self to God and that was the religion of ALL prophets of God including jesus. 02. Because the message of Jesus was changed by St. Paul and those who came after them, so there was need to send a Prophet of God to revive the religion. And that is why Jesus promised that a Comforter

[QUOTE who="Neville Thompson"]<quoted text> If there is no "Higher or Lower"priesthood,please explain how a Cleric then becomes an Ayatollah who then rules a country like Iran for instance unlike a time when Islam and civil governance were separate . You are the nearest I have come to an Islamic scholar so this is why I am asking you questions . [/QUOTE] There is no such Title or Post like "Ayatullah" in Islamic literature, I mean Quran and sayings of prophet. It is a religious post which Shia people have created and they grant it to their scholars. It does not have any Islamic significance. In Iran Ayatollah's were present even when Shah was ruling, after the revolution, they came into power and started ruling. By the way there is no separation between religion and state, they are both part of Islam. The ruler of State is supposed to have same authority in religious matters also, but unfortunately our leaders of state know less about Islam than even an average Muslim!! That is why they need to ask Islamic Scholars for advise even on simple matters.

[QUOTE who="Advocate"] Does a Paradise really exist? I think it'd be more feasible and certainly less messy if we just, you know, died and left it at that. All those stories of Heaven and Hell get confusing after a while. And the sheer hypocrisy of clerics when it comes to who gets to go to the nice lovely place and who burns in suffering is sincerely... numbing. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Yes Paradise does certainly exist. If you want a proof, just die and it would come in front of you!! But remember it would be too late then, you will not be able to do anything to go there unless you have booked your ticket while living in the world. Would you like to take such a big gamble with your life? Go ahead and take the gamble, but do not complain that you were not warned!! There is no hypocrisy and no one can say with certainty who goes to heaven and who goes to hell, it is prerogative of God and God alone to decide who goes where. PS: You have chosen the name advocate for you, but your postings show that you act like a Devils Advocate Talking about matters about which you have no info and cannot get any info and rejecting the true info when given to you. What type of advocate you be?

[QUOTE who="Sid"] Thank you so much for your brilliant reply, almost brought a tear to my eye. You remind me of one of my muslim friends, Haldoon al Rashid, a major in the Jordanian army that I meet in East Timor in 2001, a truly decent man that is still a close friend. He used to call me "a crazy aussie but a man of the book", I used to call him "my mad Muslim mate" which got shortened to M, he thought was pretty funny. We spent may hours drinking mint tea and discussing our beliefs which gave us great understanding and respect for each other, we both came to the same conclusion that our similarities far outweighed our differences. Thanks again. [/QUOTE] Ans. Your honest post brought tears to my eyes too. We Muslims and Christians have so many things in common that we can spend many pages upon pages in discussing it. Can you think any Non Christian faith making it an article of faith to believe in the prophet hood of jesus Christ? To believe in his immaculate birth, to believe in his miracles, to believe in his second coming and to hold him and his mother in the highest respect. Can any Non Christian faith give that much honor to Mother of jesus, to call her a women chosen above all women of the worth? To call her as perfect a example of womanhood as possible? But the hate mongers have created so much hatred and hate between two religions who are so close to each other as if they are mortal enemies of each other. Muslims and Christians who together represent more than half the population of present earth are at each others throat, instead of working together for global peace. You were fortunate enough that you got a friend like your Jordanian army Major and got confirmation on some of the things which I am talking now. I think you were very fortunate to find such a friend and your views are much broader and sympathetic than the others present on this thread.

[QUOTE who="NT"] A. What I want to know is why is it so that the peoples of the worlds who all train their thoughts on the Supreme being same being Allah why be it so that everybody finds it necessary to find fault with others interpretation of their religions. B.. It is stated in Christianity that the "meek shall inherit the earth" so why is there so much killing going on in the name of their God ? [/QUOTE] Ans. The questions which you have asked are very interesting, and I hope you will pardon me if my answer is a bit long. It is very easy for people to blame others for faults of their own. A. Why so many religions? 01. Some people ask why there are so many religions in the world today if there is One Creator in this Universe. 02. How it be that same God will be author of so many religions, and so much confusion that is caused because of so many religions and each one claiming to be the Only true path and condemning all others. 03. The answer is that in truth there is only one true religion in the world and these different religions have been created and named by humans and not God. He is not the Creator of confusion and contradictions. It is humans who do that and then they try to implicate God with it. B. What are the fundamentals of religion and what are its practical forms. 04. The fundamentals of religion are only three things - Believe in One God and Worship Him alone and associate no one in His Worship and His Personality and His attributes. - Believe in Divine guidance, which comes thru the Prophets of God and follow your prophet for how to practice the religion. - Prepare for Last day where every one shall be called to account and has to give individual account of their good and bad deeds. 05. These are the fundamentals of religion, that do not change with time.

[QUOTE who="NQ"] NotQuiter wrote: <quoted text>So you obviously believe that the angel that spoke to Mohammed was a higher authority than who? MUQ: Yeah, that was what I meant!! You are very slow at uptake. NQ:: Thank you, and I appreciate that. Now let me ask this very slowly, since I am slow: you say the angel that spoke to Mohammed was a higher authority than Mohammed? [/QUOTE] Ans. The Question that angel who brought the message to Prophet was Higher Authority than the Prophet is not appropriate. It is something of a conjecture about which I do not want to comment. I want to give you an analogy: An Official Messenger from President office, who brings a Verbal Order from President of USA to the Chief of US Armed Forces (a Seven or Eight Star General) , has Higher Authority than the Chief of US armed forces Will Army Chief be right to reject the message delivered from the US President? The angel was bringing the Message from God, The Creator and Master of Universe to His Chosen Prophet. There was no conflict of authority there or who has higher or lower authority. PS: I am slow at uptake or you? This would be a million Dollar Question, will it not?

[QUOTE who="AB s"] 01. Nice to know that if anyone knowingly kills a muslim and repents they will be okay by your non muslim Allah... 02. so Not to worry, muq, because according to you if you knowingly kill a muslim and repent you can be spared hellfire... 03. I'm sure George Bush and Dick Cheney have repented...so I guess they'll be seeing you and the muslims they killed in heaven... 04. I wonder if Saddam was sorry? What a nice gathering that would be wouldn't it? Saddam and George in heaven together... [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Perhaps you did not understand the meaning of repentance and its consequences. Repentance is not you say with your lips I am sorry.Repentance is to your Lord from inside your heart and your real feeing of shame and sorrow for what you have done. It is between you and God and no third party is involved. Only God knows the state of heart of a killer. And repentance does not absolve you of any punishment due to you on this earth. So it is not a matter of glee. 02. If some one kills an innocent human and sincerely repents, and if God accepts his repentance, he will be saved from hell fire. There are so many IF s in there! How is anyone sure that God will accept his or her repentance? 03. I doubt if GWB the Great and Dick Cheney and their cronies have ever repented of their crimes. They keep on justifying their action in Iraq and boast about it. There is not least sign of repentance from any one of them. 04. And I cannot say about Saddam either. At least he got some punishment in this world, but GWB the Great and Dick Cheney might not get any punishment in this world (because of US people and US govt. protecting them). So they might get their full Quota of punishment in the hereafter and Saddam might get some what less. Allah Knows Best

[QUOTE who="NT"] 01. Why is the Quran treated as of Muhammad instead of the words of Muhammad? 02. I would think that by protesting the burning of the Quran does little towards showing the world the tolerance of Islam , seeing any amount can be reprinted and re-supplied any time. 03. Can you understand why Muslims will kill fellow Muslims during protests over the burning of the Quran? 04. Who actually owns the land title of the Temple site claimed as being Jewish and Islamic please? [/QUOTE] Ans. A. Quran and its desecration: 01. Quran is never treated by any Muslim as words of our prophet. 01A. Quran is Spoken Word of God which Angel Gabriel brought to Our Prophet. 02. It is not tolerance but cowardice and shame of highest nature, if Muslims do not protest that some one will dare to burn Quran or desecrate it in a 100 % Muslim country. That too by Military Personnel of a Country who claims to be the most civilized in the world. Muslims love and are proud of their religion and every thing connected with the symbols of their religion. If people are so callous in this world in 21st century, to not even know that more than 25 % of the population in the world is Muslim and how they feel and think, then let me say that we do not live in a civilized world any more. We are like animals and every strong animal has full right to devour and kill any weaker animal he might find in the jungle. I have a feeling of shame for people who come forward and try to defend these people who did this act, instead of asking double punishment for them.

[QUOTE who="NQ"] In the hereafter, MUQ, if God asks me why I did not accept Mohammed as his prophet (before he sends me to hell), I will tell him (if I have the chance) that I did not think that Mohammed was a true prophet. I will say other things that will be between me and God, if He allows me to say those things before he drops me into hell. [/QUOTE] Ans. First of all I thank you for being so frank and outspoken in your post. I would post a longer answer, because your sickness is not of you alone, but a general one. Many people take these things very casually and make statements without thinking or analyzing their consequences. A. God on the Day of Judgement: 01. Rest assured, God will give you every opportunity to place your case before Him on the Last Day and He will not sent you to any punishment, unless you yourself will agree that Yes I was wrong and I do deserve this punishment. 02. He is a just God and He has Created you and gave you the facilities of Hearing, Seeing, Reasoning and Analysis to check and verify any claim that people make in these matters. B. Attitude while evaluating conflicting evidences: 03. One thing He might ask you Were you really Objective and Open Minded, when you analyzed and rejected the claim of our prophet to the title of prophet or were you biased and closed minded when doing that? 04. This is very important question and you will not be able to hide even the innermost feelings buried deep inside your heart with your Creator. 05. When you have conflicting reports about someone, or some thing, should you not weigh both sides of evidences before making your choice and making your judgment or you will just hear only one side and decide? C. Muslims evidence for the Prophet:

[QUOTE who="Dragnet"] This means you have scant regard for human reasoning, logic ,intelligence or whatever you call it. All these attributes of man did not come out of thin air. .. I can understand when you say that human reasoning can only lead you this far and not further. But when you say that within the domain of human reason there is falsehood in operation then I will have to oppose you with all my might. ... Let me again give you an analogy. I open a book and start reading it and after flipping through a few pages my blood pressure starts rising. If anybody were to come and say that I was just reading the revealed work of God, all my senses, all my faculties of intelligence are going to rebel against what I have been told. It's my firm belief that when we are face to face with the true revelation from God and realize that it is so, then all our human faculties will reach their highest point of fulfillment. God reveals not by negating our faculties but by fulfilling and transcending our faculties. [/QUOTE] Ans. A. Human Intelligence and its Limitations: 1. I am not at all against humans reasoning power and his intelligence. 2. In fact these are great gifts from God our Creator (and mentioned as Gods gifts at so many places in Quran), and they are the prime reasons, which separate humankind from other life forms on this earth. 3. But like every human faculty, humans powers of reason, logic and understanding too have limitations. 3A. And if anyone uses them or has faith in them beyond their limits they are certainly exceeding their bounds. B. What are the usual subjects of Revelation: 4. Usually God sends His revelation on matters, which are beyond the reach of humans. There is no way in which humans can learn about the Attributes of Our Creator, about Heavens and Hell and events of the Last Day.

[QUOTE who="Advocate"] 01. I say precisely that because a secular court does not base itself on favoritism or religious law. It is objective and bases itself on evidence, testimony, credence, and a solid case, rather than "immorality." To say that a "Creator" made laws is speculative. Do you have any solid proof that a creator exists? A secular court listens to everyone's statement, be they religious or atheistic. A religious court is itself a pro - religion bias. 02. The Arab World is the union of areas in the Middle East/ North Africa that proclaims itself to be based on Muslim law. One doesn't need to be Arab to be Muslim -- Indonesia and Malaysia have large Muslim populations -- for them it's a matter of geographic convenience. And Sunni KSA is still at odds with Shi'a Iran, revealing the large divisions in the Arab World itself. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. And who told you Shariah laws are not based on evidence, testimony, credence and a solid case? The rules for testimony and evidence in Shariah are more logical and reasonable than so called Secular laws. Why it is speculative to say that Creator made the laws? Did humans came into existence by themselves? Can any thing come into existence without a Creator? If you see a painting or a car standing in market, can you ever think that it came without an artist or a Car Maker? In Shariah law also, evidence is accepted from even Atheists, depending upon the case, there is no pre-religious bias unless it be a matter of religious importance. In Quran Muslims are advised to do justice and equity to all people and do not do injustice even if they are following different religions. 02. Now you back tracked and included Africa into Arab world, what about Indian subcontinent and whole belt from Turkey to Central Asia? Are they also part of Arab world? And if Muslims have Shia and Sunni, do not Christians have their RC, Protestants and thousands of other Sects and Denominations? It is strange for you to lecture us on sects and denominations!!

[QUOTE who="Advocate"] Rejecting Shariah law in court is not a double standard. The US Constitution and legal system is a secular system and framework and judges based on a secular viewpoint and has the right to discard religious viewpoints. Sharia law is a religiously based legal framework. Therefore it has no validity in most areas outside the Arab world. [/QUOTE] Ans. How can you say that Secular System is not biased? When you accuse other nations as to not listening to other's systems the same should hold good to you also. You giving yourself a certificate of "Non Bias" is only self serving. Shariah law is the rules and regulations sent for mankind from their Creator who is Creator of every human being. They are the best rules for human kind because they have been framed by their Creator, who is the most Unbiased and knows beast what is good and what is bad for them. You are wrong, Arabs only constitute of 20 % of all Muslims in the world. Shariah rules and laws are applicable for every Muslim on earth and they constitute now 25 % population of the earth.

[QUOTE who="NT"] 1. We have all tried that and look where it has got us. The Australian age, in what terminology 2. It was reported in the press that women in some Middle Eastern country could not get their justice as it is written in the Quran. In the court system of that country and the persons judging them don't respect women's rights set down by the Quran so what do they do to remain true to Muhammad if others choose to hinder them ? [/QUOTE] Ans. 1. People do not sincerely look for guidance. If they search it with open mind and without bias, they shall find it. People usually claim that they have tried to look it but were unable to find it, but they are speaking half truth. They want to adhere to their own views (even while trying to search for truth in other system) and raise real or imaginary objections (which are present in their current system also). That is why they are unable to conclude any thing and continue in double mind. You set some standard and on that standard you check all the systems without bias and with open mind. There are very bright chances that you will find the truth. Afterall how could God, our Creator would have made finding truth so difficult, which is so essential to pass test of our lives? 2. I do not know what are you referring to. How much detail was in media and how much was suppressed we do not know. When it comes to media, we cannot trust western media, the reporters do not know about Islam, they mix news with views and comment so negatively, that no one knows what were the real issues. I know how difficult is for you people, who have no access to Islam except thru these biased media reports to know truth about Islam and Muslims. That is why I do not find fault with common Western People. They

[QUOTE who="AB s"] 01. Very interesting response...Christians are over reacting and why should they cry over a few thousand copies of religious literature, no one reads them after all!! 02. Kind of sums up your religion doesn't it? As long as it is not defamation of Islamic crutches used to keep the muslim sheep in line, who cares, right? 03. One big difference between you and me muq...at least the US and UN has apologized...Ill bet you 3 double humped camels that no apology will come from you for your slander of the Christian ways...would you like to take that bet? Allah akbar [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. Yes I think that Christians are over reacting in this issue, they have forgotten their main purpose. a. These Precious Jews and Zionists must be cajoled and sucked to and protected from all harms till they make their Little Temple at Jerusalem and start their Big Sacrifices. b. Only then Jesus would consent to come down from heaven and turn the earth into heaven for believing Christians. c. Christians have made so many sacrifices for past 100 years to get closer to this dream.why should they undo everything by antagonizing these Precious and Lamb like Jews? d. And then from another angle, what are the insults which Christians themselves have not heaped on Jesus, that they should complain about Jews? That have made his cartoons, that have made his caricatures, that have made films of his sexual life, his passion. They have cursed him on stage, they have called him a myth, what is left for Jews to do. Compared to all what Christians have done to Jesus, what face have they to protest to Jews as to why they burned a few hundred or few thousand copies of scriptures? Does it make any sense?

[QUOTE who="Ab s"] News you will not see on IRNA or Al Jazeera... What is you opinion on this one Muq? More than 200 Israeli christians rallied Tuesday against the inadvertent burning of Bibles and other Christian religious materials during trash disposal at an Israeli military base. They demanded to meet with the country's leaders over the issue and threatened to demonstrate again if their demand was not met... [/QUOTE] Ans. It is strange for Christians to criticize any action of their Lord and Master Jews. Afterall it is Israel, which holds the key for Jesus second coming and Christians should make every sacrifice that it stays safe and secure. Already Christians have made enough sacrifices for Israel, they created it and handed it on platter to Jews. They paid Trillions of Dollars of free aid since its inception. They used hundreds of Veto Powers in Security Council to shield Israel from any sanctions and actions by UN.they even fought proxy wars for that country, they got tens of thousands of their soldiers killed, and hundreds of thousands of injured and disabled. They have seen their economies being ruined due to those proxy wars.they made sacrifices upon sacrifices and bore all that with stiff upper lips. All that in return of hope that some how Jesus come and save Christians from torments of the world Now after all the sacrifices they have made, what are a few thousand copies of their literature being desecrated by Israeli Army? Do they want to turn over the cart all because of this minor incident? I think Christians are over reacting, if they would have understood the main reason for establishing of Israel, they should not have protested. After all Jews are insulting Jesus and his mother and speaking horrible words about them for past 2000 yearsand they have not changed their status yet.

[QUOTE who="NT"] Hello MUQ is it so in Islamic culture that if you mistakenly kill someone you may pay compensation to that ones family dropping of charges ? [/QUOTE] Ans. I once again thank you for asking a very good and pertinent question!! It is very seldom that we hear such probing and good questions..most of the times I have to just post routines replies to queries and charges from correspondents who want to demonize Islam and Muslims. I hope you bear with me to get a somewhat longer reply. A. Murder, a Crime against whom? 1. In Islam a murder is a crime against the family member and heirs of the person who is murdered. It is they who lost an earning member of the family and it is they who have to suffer the hardship. 2. And it is they, in whose hearts there is a burning desire for revenge or wrong done to them, and it is they who should be placated. 3. In western justice system on the other hand, a murder is crime against the Govt. and the society and it is they who arrest the criminal and punish him, and they do not give any consideration to the loss and / or feeling of the family members of the murdered man. B. Murder, a compoundable crime or non compoundable? 1. Islam gives due regard to the feeling of the family members of the murdered man and give them the first right to either forgive that man or take some economic compensation from him. 2. In this way, the door is open for reconciliation between the family members of both the parties, The one who killed and the one who was killed. 3. If family members of the person who is killed agree to save the life of the killer is exchange for some money (the maximum amount of which is also fixed as that of price for 100 camels). 4. In certain case, the Govt. itself has to pay the blood money to the

[QUOTE who=Dragnet"] a. Your reply sounds uncannily close to what Caliph Omar had to say when he ordered the destruction of the library of Alexandria If those books are in agreement with the Quran, we have no need of them; and if these are opposed to the Quran, destroy them." I will try to give you as nice a reply as possible without sounding offensive. b. The fact that you repose so much faith in Koran and its teachings is understandable given the fact that you are a muslim. .. c. Does the reading of Koran, for a non muslim subject, evoke within him a deep sense of connect with a higher power ? d. Will the message of Koran help in bringing about the self actualization of that individual? e. An impartial, non muslim subject like me is looking for something more meaningful than the dos and don'ts of religious scriptures. f. Has Koran something to offer to an individual who is willing to surrender himself at the altar of a higher knowledge but not by being prodded and pushed by religious commands or edicts? g. Such an individual must feel free even when surrendering himself and not feel fettered by the dictates of priesthood, temporal power or archaic religious laws like blasphemy. [/QUOTE] Ans. I will also post brief answer to points raised by you in your recent post (remember we had earlier established a line of communication, which was broken by you suddenly, when you could not maintain the rules). a. Statement by Caliph Omar: First of all the purported statement of Caliph Omar for the Library of Alexandria is wrong, because there was No Library in Alexandria when Muslims captured it It was already razed to ground and burnt by the invading Christians centuries before Muslims arrived there!! If Caliph Omar made similar statement about some old books, then also he was right about it. When you get a Masters Degree, would you care that much about

[QUOTE who="Dragnet52"]<quoted text>Now A. what is philosophy? I will try to give you my own definition. It is a branch of human knowledge that strives to find out the truth behind the phenomenal world. Philosophy in itself is not bad, it is just that most men are bad at philosophizing. Just like faith which is one aspect of a man's personality, reasoning faculty is another aspect. Faith without reason is blind and reasoning without faith is dry and sterile. Now coming to your argument, let me remind you that the greatest mystics have always said that heaven and hell is found here on earth itself, in fact within our own being. Philosophy is only an aid or tool to sharpen your powers of discrimination so that you can cut straight to the very core of your being which is where truth resides. Philosophy may not provide all the answers but then which religion has provided all the answers to explain the befuddling complexities and contradiction of our world? [/QUOTE] A. Human Philosophies: 1. May be your definition of philosophy is correct, but in the end it is human effort to see the unseen and solve the mystery of life and creation and every thing in Universe. 2. Whatever amount of human genius is used in creating philosophy, it is never certain that it is correct. It could be right and it could be wrong. 3. Any theory, irrespective of how logical and how reasonable and how beneficial it might look on paper, might be true and also might not be true. Because it is after all a human effort and has no authority. 4. This is the basic limitations of all human philosophies and theories, they are like castles made in the air, without any foundation and without any proofs that they are true. B. Human Philosophies and Truth: 1. The TRUTH only comes from the Creator of this Universe, because it is He and ONLY He who KNOWS the truth. 2. That is why Quran (and in fact any revelation from God) speaks from the position of authority and strength and not in any doubtful or wavering language. 3. It tells us the situation as it is and how it shall be on the Last Day or the Day of Judgment.

[QUOTE who="NT"] I respect your principle and won't push the letter. I will ask though why would there be a division within Islam if both Sunni and Shi'ite both pray for the same reason ? I understand divisions between other religions like of Catholic versus anybody other than their own which has carried through for so long and continuing to this day where they venture into other lands to convert others into their flock. [/QUOTE] Ans. 1. Thank you for your consideration. Now you have mentioned something which is of fundamental importance in discussing about the origin and aims of different sects and denominations in religions. What I say is common to all religions. 2. The sects and denominations are not caused because there is lack of knowledge or understanding or there is ambiguity in the religious teachings or the teachings of prophet are confusing and contradictory. 3. And these sects and denominations are not created by ignorant people or people who have little knowledge about religion and religious matters. 4. Originators of most sects and denominations are people with very sharp mind and with very deep knowledge about religious matters. They differ and they deviate knowingly and after fully understanding what they are doing. 5. The main reason for their starting a new sect or breaking from the mainstream is either to get some worldly benefit or get more recognition in the eyes of their followers. 6. These leaders start their different sects and denominations and their followers and their pupils blindly follow their reasoning and we have a fully developed new sect and denominations in a matter of time. 7. And later on these sects and denominations get divided and subdivided till it is very difficult for a layman to understand which is which. 8. And one more point, since the deviations are very small to start

[QUOTE who="NT"] How do account for the different nationalities with their own languages and custom seeing we are all as one from God ? [/QUOTE] Ans. I thank you for asking a very good question!! People are so busy in demonizing each other that they have even forgotten as to how to ask vibrant and relevant questions. May be my answer would be a little longer than what you expect. A. Origin of mankind on earth: 1. Irrespective of what our evolution guys claim, the human race on earth started from a single pair of male and female. 2. The religious scriptures are unanimous on this, that Adam and Eve were the First Human pair who appeared on the face of earth and it was only thru them, that human race spread thru out the earth. 3. Every human, irrespective of which country, tribe or location he or she belong to, must be ultimately connected to the first human pair. If they do not know the links, it is their fault, but there is no doubt in the least that they are directly related to our First Parents. B. Difference in language and colors and customs: 1. This is another very interesting issue, as by looking at the thousands of languages and colors of people and their customs, one is bewildered that they were once came from the same stock. 2. I know in Bible, it is related that God mingled the language of humans, so divide them, so that they cannot challenge God. But in Quran this issue is treated very differently. It is mentioned as One of Signs (or miracles) of God, this variation in colors and languages of humans. It is mentioned in Quran Ch 30, V 22: And amongst His signs is the creation of Heavens and Earth and the variations in your languages and your colors: verily in that are signs for those who know See how beautifully Quran tackles this serious question and leaves it for the People who know!! It is for the scholars to research and

[QUOTE who="Troll"] 1. I am hindu do your islam have any problem if I worship idols? 2. do you think rest of non muslims like hindu or who do not follow islam are 'kaffir' 3. do your islam teaches you to behead Hindus as kaffir for the sake of Allah or muhammad, if they refuses to follow islam? [/QUOTE] Ans. You have asked three questions and I will answer all three of them in short. 1. I have no problem if you worship 1 idol or 1000 idols. It is you who will have to answer to God on the last day, as to why did you worship idols, when it was expressively prohibited in your religious scriptures. The Vedas and other Hindu Scriptures do not tell Hindus to do idol worship. We only tell you this and leave the choice to you. 2. Kafir is one who rejects the message of islam. If you have been told about the message of Islam and then you reject it, you have turned yourself into a Kafir. It is not we, who made you into a Kafir. 3. No, Islam does not teach us to behead every Kafir or Non Muslim. It was never done in entire Muslim history of 1400 years and it shall be never done. However those Kafirs and Non Muslims, who come to fight against Muslims and plot and plan for their destruction, we Muslims are allowed to fight back and defend our lives and faith from their hands. And I do not know any law in any civilized society that takes away this right of Muslims. Allah Knows Best.

[QUOTE who="Matthew E"] religion is the ritual observance of beliefsJesus didn't teach hatred for anything other than the evil, not the person, in fact he taught "And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins." There are religions that teach peace and there are religions of war. Then there are teachings that create peace and teachings that create war. The teaching of Christ is humble and gentle and forgiving. The teaching of Mohammed is hate and despising of the way the teaching of Christ. Even tho Mohammed accepts Christ as a prophet of God he does not adhere to the commandments set out by Christ. Mohammed is a false prophet. Christ taught to love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. [/QUOTE] Ans. Everyone is entitled to his or her own believe so I do not accuse you of your subjective comparison of personalities of jesus and Prophet Mohammad. It is very easy for one to preach forgiveness and moral values, it costs nothing, the problem comes when you want to create a society based on the morals you preach. In case of Jesus he only had to preach, but did not have either time or resources to build up a society based on these teachings. It can be proven (by any standards) that moral teachings of our prophet are in no way inferior to those made by Jesus, but our prophet was not a mere preacher, he had to build up a society based on the morals he preached. And when you try to build up a society, you have to ruffle a few feathers and get a lot of people to criticize you. If you be just a "plain" preacher , you only get good will and sympathy. That is in my view your basic mistake in carrying out the comparison between these two Great messengers of God. Allah Knows Best.

[QUOTE who="NT"] Is there a difference between Sharia and Halal and Muslim customs and code of dress to that of Islam ? [/QUOTE] Ans. A. Shariah and Halal and Haram: Shariah is another name of Islamic law or Islamic Jurisprudence. In Arabic it means a Way or road which one follows. Halal is anything which is permissible according to Islamic Shariah and it has various degrees. Haram on the otherhand is anything which is prohibited by Islamic Shariah and that also has various degrees. So Halal and Haram appear very frequently on any matter where Islamic jurisprudence is concerned. B. Halal and Haram Food: But I know that in West the word Halal is usually referred to the type of meat which Muslims are allowed to eat. The Islamic position in animal food permissible to be eaten is in middle path of two extremes, one followed by Christians and another followed by Jews. C. Position of Jews: Jews as usual have a long list of animals which are not allowed to be eaten and they have very strict rules as to how an animal is to slaughtered and by whom. D. Position of Christians: Christians on the other hand are on another extreme and have no restrictions on animals that they can eat. They have allowed flesh of swine which was not allowed by any previous law. E. Islamic position Islam holds a middle path on this and allows every clean animal except few amongst which Swine also figures. Further Islam wants that animals are to slaughtered in the name of Allah before they are permissible to eat.

[QUOTE who="Concerned"] There are good and bad in each race of people so stop branding that all Serbs are bad. Maybe the Serbs should open up a corridor to Northern Europe and let the Northern European countries deal with the conflict of terrorism and what ever comes with that. The Serbs will never convert or give up their Christian religion for any politics or under pressure from the world. It is unfortunate today that not many religions can tolerate each other That is the issue. Unless you have been in a concentration camp you will never understand society or politics. Many Serbs were killed during ww2 defending their land and people and this is what all generations there after are scared of So muq thats why Serbs fight to keep aware from being made in human traffic of organs [/QUOTE] Ans. I have nothing against Serbs as such, since their names appeared as reason for WW-1 and WW-2 and that conflict in Bosnia and Kosovo, I made some remarks. I do not know who was forcing these Serbs to give up their Christian religion and that they are Better or More observing Christians than other European nations. Considering that for many decades they were part of Communist Yugoslavia, I do not know what type of Communist Christianity they were following. But they are very ruthless people is what I got from seeing what they did during Bosnian conflict I do not know if Jesus allowed such type of atrocities. But as you said there are good people and bad people in every nation and every religion, so may be Serbs have more bad people than other nations of Europe.

[QUOTE who="Arbitrageur"] In a controlled demolition, though, the top twenty floors of the tower does not tilt over at a 20 degree angle, and it is apparent from the video archives of the event that the lower floors, let's say 70 floors, as an example, did not get blown. They were crushed. The whole building was not blown at the same time, that's obvious. Terrible demolition job. You really want to blow the base first, not the top of the building. Are you saying that they were incompetent? [/QUOTE] Ans. The idea that top floors collapsed and brought down the lower floors along with them, was the one which was perceived as the simplest and most obvious to most people. This is what is known as Pan Cake effect. But the slightest knowledge of Physics and Structural Engineering made that type of fall, not fit to explain the fall of WTC towers, because the bottom 80 odd floors, were not damaged and each successive floor would observe resistance and the resulting fall could never be vertical. Some floors would be damaged due to pressure and then the whole structure would topple to one direction and break in the middle. That is why NIST and other agencies never mentioned that possibility in their reports. Massive steel columns just do not split due to weight. Now your question that Bottom Floors give way first in a normal controlled demolition might be true (I am not expert on Controlled demolition). That might be true in Normal or Ordinary controlled demolition. And 9/11 in no way was an ordinary or routine job and the persons doing were not one of routine demolition contractor. The Aircraft Striking tower was to be the center piece of Demolition Job. So the tower has to start falling from the top floors and then collapse to the bottom to make it a real job.

[QUOTE who="Frijoles"] "What had Jesus to say about the people who practised Sodomy?" All of this started from the basic question - what WAS the sin of Sodom. No one has presented a good argument that the sin of Sodom was even what we know refer to as "sodomy" - from the Tankh /OT or from the NT. Opinions are a dime a dozen, but no one has cited scripture yet. Hughbe came close with his "know" but instead of developing it further he went off on a tangent. [/QUOTE] Ans. The question you asked is very genuine and I doubt any one in Christianity would be able to answer what was the Real Crime of people of Sodom or Gomorrah. The so called Tanakh / OT / NT and Jewish Scriptures do not have specific charges to be filed on the crimes committed by these people and why they were made such an example before all nations. Now the question is, who can solve this mystery and how can we know the truth. People like you, would not like it, but the truth is, you will have to refer to Quran to find answer to this question!! And it is not strange that Quran makes this claim Verily this Quran does explain to the Children of Israel most of the matters in which they disagree (27:76)!! So it is once again Quran which solves this problem!! A. Original Crime of people of Sodom and Gomorrah: Listen to these verses from Quran: And Lot, said to his people Do you commit Lewdness such as no people (ever) committed before you (hence the Title Original Crime from my side- MUQ) For you practice your lusts on men in preference to women: you are indeed a people transgressing beyond bonds (7: 80-81) This and at every place where Quran mentions people of Lot, their sexual deviation is always mentioned to distinguish them from other nations and people.

[QUOTE who=" "] [/QUOTE] Ans. After confirming on this very thread that his quota of "Plagiarism in Quran" is complete after those six examples.... we find Mr. Mahmood once again coming forward with another example. This is the case with "scholars" like him, I gave him ample time to go thru Quran and find all cases of so called Plagiarism..... but I know none of his researches are original. So he finished with whatever he data he had, now he has find another "gem" in some site and he hastens to put forward it as his "original research". For far fetched is this case of plagiarism can be seen by anyone who even reads his post. The verse was revealed in Makkah and I do not know which Egyptian Scholar (who knew about ancient Egyptian beliefs) was present in Makkah to guide the prophet? And that is not all, read the verses following this verse, there is a series of arguments all about nature and its phenomenon and I do not know how much of these ancient Egyptians knew or made it known to common man. But for people like him, there need not be any logical explanation, he will jump to conclusion on slightest of the slight info

[QUOTE who="Suliman"] You see in sharia there is a death penalty for many things like saying that there is no god, that the quran is not a revealed book, becoming an apostate etc But these punishments can be commuted if the person recants. However if someone says that muhammad was not a prophet or criticizes him there is no possibility to recant. Muhammad cannot be doubted or criticised in any way, shape or form. In the west we are free to examine, doubt and criticise and when we read the hadiths we can read some very shocking stories which are very difficult to exonerate. Leave aside the fact that he had sex at 54 with a 9 years old child but when we read that on numerous occasions he attacked villages and he killed all the men over puberty and then enslaved all the women and in this way he killed all the men of the village of safya, tortured her husband to death in front of her and then married her most of us gasp in horror. Also the numerous tales of critics and poets he killed is staggering and personally I cannot justify that. This is not something anyone of us has made up, it is in bukhari, shai muslim, dawoo and various sirats. I can give hundreds of references from your own books. It is not permitted in muslim countries to highlight those events but I know many muslims who left islam after becoming aware of these historical facts. [/QUOTE] Ans. I think you are trying to make a horror out of Islamic Shariah by simplifying and generalizing the things. 1. It is true that in Islamic Shariah there is death penality for Apostasy (and it is not specific to Islamic Shriah only, In Torah also the punishment is death for one who worships false gods). 2. There could be many types of Apostasy and the punishment is same for all of them and here also Islamic Shariah is in line with Torah and there is nothing more cruel in Islam than in Torah. 3. In fact laws of Islamic Shariah are much less stringent than that of Torah. How the people who consider Torah as book of God have stopped acting on that I do not know. I do not know by whose authority they have done that. In Islam we have no right to suspend or overhaul what Quran and Prophet have decided.

[QUOTE who="Trisha"] Of course you have 'insulted' other religions here, I've read what you've written about Christianity to people here. You may not think that it was insulting, .. During the Muslim riots over the Mohammed cartoons, thousands of Muslims rioted, were violent and murdered people. The discussion comes up here and one too many Muslims make the claim that the cartoonist were responsible for the deaths and violence. [/QUOTE] Ans. Pardon me to interfere in your debate with MM, but since the issue you raised was general and affects most people on the thread, so I feel that I can also put up my observations on the issue. A. Insults versus Discussions: This is a very sensitive and emotional issue, when people of one faith or religion want to discuss religion and religious issues with people of other faith. Almost ANY comment made by person of one religion to another might appear insulting and people of that religion might take offense. So how we have to carry out such discussions and how we try to portray the mistakes and deviations if the path of discussion is blocked? So we have to define what is insult and what is permissible discussions. B. What is Insult and what is not: For example when we Muslims say that Jesus never claimed that he was Begotten Son of God and that when we say that he was neither God in human shape not One with God in Trinity. We are not insulting him, but denying the claims which Christians make about him and we give our reason and logic about what we say. But if were to say that jesus was an illegitimate child of Mary and raise questions about his personal character.then sure we are insulting him.

[QUOTE who="Blank"] Well, I don't know. There is a philosopher currently in India called Dada Bhagwan, he is saying that we are currently very close to WW3, and that after the war it shall be his teachings that shall be followed all over the world. He has also created a city called Simandhar city, he says that after the war India shall be the next super power for 2000-3000 years. All future inventions, scientific and mathematical progress shall be made there. In his speech he also says that people from all over the world shall come and live there. At the same time there is another city in India called Auroville where a similar concept has been created. They even have foreign designed homes for foreigners, such as Japanese designed places and so on. Christianity, Islam, Judaism shall all be wiped off the earth, all those religious places shall be destroyed as they shall be seen by humanity as problem creators. [/QUOTE] Ans. 01. India is too full with weirdos like that and all of them are making most fantastic claims. One advantage of living in India is that you get immune from such gurus and those who make such wild claims. 03. Western people on the other hand have never heard such claims and they get overwhelmed and get impressed by the philosophical talks (impressive words, having no real meaning) and way these people dress and some tricks of the hands and they become their disciple and join their group. That is why these Hindu gurus and yogis get so successful in western countries and amass lot of wealth and get so many followers. 04. We have seen many such Indian Missions funded and housed by foreigners. They exist and then they collapse when the guru dies and his mission goes into oblivion. So I do not know what to comment on your post.

[QUOTE who="Scarab"] Muq as usual you only post history according to Muq!! I guess that makes it easier for you to maintain your "poise" The history of world slavery is well recorded form the origins of writing in Mesopotamia. Slaves were brought to the Americas by the Europeans who discovered it. It is also true that it pre-existed that discovery in the native (Indian)populations.

2. The U.S. 14th Amendment ratified in 1868 prohibits slavery. I've already posted concerning our Civil War! This 14th Amendment was supported by the Bill of Rights insisted on by James Madison in 1789 before he would support Ratification of our Constitution. That Bill of Rights was an evolutions from English Law demanding human rights established in 1689.

[/QUOTE] Ans. You have tried to Sugar coat your true position with regards to slavery. You have not contradicted what I said: 1. None of the Worlds religions prohibited slavery and said any thing against it. 2. None of any of the worlds Constitution also said anything against slavery till the 19th or 20th Century. 3. In USA and in the rest of the world the practice of slavery was prevalent. 4. The Father of Nation of USA (George Washington) and all important leaders of Freedom Movement did have slaves in their possession and NONE of them freed any slave after signing US constitution in 1776. 5. So your saying that Slavery was ONLY practiced in south is wrong. In south it was MORE prevalent because of Economic conditions there. They needed slaves to work in cotton fields and other jobs in south which was not needed for North.

[QUOTE who="War is over"] 01. An ex-atheist told me that it was unscientific for atheist scientists to claim that there is no God. No science has yet proven either way that there is or is not a God. Modern science cannot yet explain the origin of life on Earth. So I think it is fair to say there is no way to prove any particular religion, or the 'no religion' alternative of atheism. There is an impasse. 02. I argue that with 100,000 extant religions currently practiced on Earth, what are the odds that any one religion is 'correct?' Perhaps 1 in 100,000, eh? 03. What if Zoroastrianism is the right one? Maybe the Bahai faith? How about the Church of the Nazarene? Perhaps Scientology? Which one? The one your parents sent you to as a child? How do we know which one is right? 04. Are religions like football/soccer teams, in that 'our team' is always the 'right one?' 05. How about all of those people in the 'wrong' religions? Is it their fault? Did they choose the wrong religion? Did their parents choose the wrong religion for them as a child? Whose fault is it? What are the chances of a Pakistani child being exposed to the Church of the Nazarene, or Scientology? What are the chances of a white child in south Alabama being exposed to Zoroastrianism, or the Bahai faith? 06. Do we all have a fair chance of being exposed to the 'right' or 'correct' religion? Are some of us 'luckier' than others when it comes to being exposed to the 'correct' or 'right' religion? [/QUOTE] Ans. Pardon me to post a reply to your very interesting post, I would answer to salient points raised by you: Science and existence of God: You are right, science has nothing to do with either confirming or rejecting whether God exists or not. Because science only deal with Material world and God is not material.

[QUOTE who="NT"] Interestingly enough ,at a later time Mossad was caught out when it was found they had stolen the identities of foreigners including Australians in some scam in Europe I remember reading in the press [/QUOTE] Ans. The fact is Christians are no match to the intelligence and cunning of Jews and Zionists. The Jews and Zionists have totally neutralized Christianity in the past couple of centuries. The Christians are doing exactly what these Jews and Zionists want them to do. And what is more they seem to like their servitude!! Can you imagine if their Media (Newspapers, Magazines, Films and TV News channels) and their Finances (Banks, Stock Market Firms, Insurance Firms and Legal Houses) were controlled by Hindus or Blacks or Arabs or Hispanics, how much these Christians would have disliked it and would have rebelled against it. But no Christian even thinks twice that all these are being controlled by a very small minority and they seem to like it!! You could have seen the hue and cry which was made when some Company from Dubai had won the contract to manage one of the ports in USA. There was nothing wrong in the deal, but the Media made so much hue and cry as if the Arabs were invading the country!! And at the same time, Jews and Zionists openly control their finances and media and boast about their allegiance to Israel and Jewish and Zionist cause, and no one in USA or Europe thinks any thing strange about it!! So it is nothing strange if some one from these groups planned and executed the whole 9/11 event and sent them to follow the wrong lead!! And I think that basic reason is that Christians are very simple people. No doubt they are hard working and industrious and have infinite energy, but they have no power of thinking and analyzing political and religious matters. Just look at 2000 years back when s single Jew by the name of Paul, single handedly changed the simple religion of Jesus and these simpletons Christians drank every word which this Paul told them , without even once questioning his Authority or the asking about the

[QUOTE who=" "] [/QUOTE] Ans. [QUOTE who="w wman uk"]<quoted text> The fact is taking your statment to its conclusion muslims are not as bright as Christians and Jews. The extreme Muslim simpletons believe everything their repressed homosexual imams tell them. The real muq is coming out now he professes to have respect for others but he has none. l never started with that premise Islam is a dog shite religion with a dog shite profit and like dog shite all it brings to the majority of believers is poverty and flies. The evidence is out there soon the muslims in the middle east will be starving. It will probably be the simpleton Christians that will be giving them aid. It is not the people that are dog shite it is Islam.[/QUOTE] Why you insult your "superior Jewish intelligence" by posting such low level posts? Of course Muslims are no match for Jewish cunning and Jewish intrigues and Jewish intelligence. That is probably why Father Abraham settled his son Ishmael in a far flung place like Makkah so away from the "seat of activity".... and settled his son Isaac in the heart of "all activities".... But God's ways are strange....Super Intelligent Jews are still a miniscule population in the world and the "Only" country they have is with the support and help of their "inferior Christian servants (i.e. Bosom Friends".... While the sons and progeny of "Dumb and low witted" Ishmael controlled each and every inch where Father Abraham set his foot and they grew up to be 1.7 Billion as of latest count and have more than 50 countries to their name!! Moral: Intelligence, and Intrigues and cunning is not ALWAYS productive and it does not take you far into the world and gets real success for you.

[QUOTE who=" "] [/QUOTE] Ans. Since there was no reply, I post this article once again, it is strange Haji Kaji, ITRE, Yaudheya and none from their group saw it fit to comment on the Heroic deed done by these cowards- MUQ Is it not the Lowest level to which these Patriots can fall? I am certain that MOST of the Blasts in India were the handiworks of these people. But they escape because of biased investigationMUQ http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2790960.ece? homepage=true Pakistani flag hoisting was a Hindutva plot to foment strife, police say

With the arrest of another Hindutva activist on Tuesday in connection with the hoisting of a Pakistani flag in front of the Tahsildar office at Sindagi in Karnataka on January 1, the number of persons held by the police for what they believe was a plot to foment communal strife has increased to seven.

The arrested are members of Sri Ram Sene, a pro-Hindutva outfit. According to the police, they allegedly hoisted the Pakistani flag and then blamed it on the town's Muslim community. The accused were shifted to the Bellary district prison on Sunday morning as other inmates of the Bijapur district jail allegedly attacked them for being involved in anti-national activities.

Rakesh Math, the prime accused, was seriously injured in the fracas, and the remaining sustained minor injuries.

Meanwhile, members of the district unit of Sri Ram Sene have said the accused do not belong to their outfit but are members of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS).