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Okay. It's February 13, uh; Wednesday 18i4 hours.lH: It interview with Officer (Tim) Gardner. My name is Sergeant Hottg, H-O-N-G' Detective Johnson, J-O-H-N-S-O-N, badge 26'

I'm (Ilarry) Stem, S-T-E-R-N. I'm here representing Officer Gardner.

(Timothy) Gardner, last name G-A-R-D-N-E-R'

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All right. uh, officer Gardner, you signed your waiver?

Yes.

All right. Okay. A- Officer Gardner, could you state your rank
nunber?
Uh, patrol officer, badge nrunber

and badge

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What was your hire date with Berkeley Police Deparhnent?

Hmm. uh, my date of seniority is, uh,let's see, January 1,02.

Got it. Do you have any prior law emforcement experience outside of Berkeley Police DePmtment?

No'
Which patol operations team were you working yesterday's shift?
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yesterday we're all - whenl say yesterday we're always talking about February 12, the day of the incident'

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normal hours Okay. Team three. Okay. What are the nonnal days worked and worked for team three?

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what alea or beat are assigped to yesterday's shift?

area mostly and the marina'

tlh, walk front

OkaY.Inbeat 16?
Yes' ^-e^-r--,:^ -Li*D Uh, who were your supervisors foryesterday's shift?

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t]h, Sergeant (Shawn) Ross and (Be$ Catdoza'

is c-A-R'D-oAgain Ross is - Sergeant Ros5-is R-(l-s's' Cardoza sergeant Z-a. anO are they your nomral supervisors?
Yes.

Wlien was the last shift you worked prior to yesterday's shift?
The Preceding daY'

shift was a Tuesday' Okay. Today is currerrtly Wrcdnesday. Yesterday's Preciding day you were referring to Monday MondaY' Uh, do you hold any secondary jobs?

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All right. Did you work any *t'tip: priorio the shift ofyesterday's incident?
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prescription or otherwise? Have you taken any medication, No. in the past 24 hours? Have you consumed any alcohol

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I got bome last night' Mrn, yes. I had a couple beers when
Okay.
That was Post this incident? Yes.

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and between what hours let's say the rast time you slept, how long,

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Yeah.

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(unintelligible)' How mpch rest did you get

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injuries during yesterday's incident? Okay. Uh, did you sustain any

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Didyoucompletethernjury-city'sand-ardpolicedepartment'sinjruy
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Yes.

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Okay.Um,didyousus-um,I'msony"Doyouwearcortectiveeyeglassesora
contact

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lenses?

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No'
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handcuffs,

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starting with the buckle going Okay. Starting with your front of your duty belt you describe what riuty gearis on your dutybelt?

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with handcuffs lase Uh, well clocl$/ise let1s see. (Uninletligibl^*) baton radio' key ring, ,6 Iitt"i and, um, teft side' uh' flashlight'
ring, asp, and theru uh, exha magaz-tnes'
Okay, Your magazine pouctr, correct? Yeah,

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Didyourdutybeltoranygearonyourdutybeltsustainanydamage? A:
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The vehicle make and model you were driving

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yesterday's shift?

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Ford crown victoria' uh, no idea what the year is. [t's a crown victoria Remember the vehicle number?

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Police Deparfnent, uh, insignia Um, standard police markings for the.Berkley with a emefgency tight bar and on the sides, black *J *rriti.olor scheme spot lights right and left. vehicle? Okay..Do you normally drive this particular

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paired officer car? IVere you a single officer car or a

Single. police repott regarding this Now you've completed your supplemental incident, correct? I have. report for us? All right And could you read your completed
jus]-a-fter time of report I heard a broadcast Summary' Sony. On the listed date It was at 2116 (Austin) wal nlr.nber 514. of additional units ne;Jior a cau struggle tf'*t BPD officers were involved in a apparent from the U,otal"tt the reached I code tlree and when

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with a violent ,ru:*.i'-ii"tpffi; large struggling to take P *fremety apartnent I saw several BPb offlcers andviolentlyresistingpartialynakedpe'rsonintocustody'Theperson officers' +00 pounds and'ittook several appeared to be approiiilately arrived Rlone with several officers who combined efforts tt ;"tt"ihi"n'oa*' for piut" uiti *to handcuffs and calied with me we mBFDtorespondtoassistwithtun,portinehim.Afterwehadsuccessfirlly. I h" lrid suddenly stopped breathing' placed him in ma.or, it ;pp.*.,i him while othir officers requested assisted with immeorately uncuffing BFD arrived

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Um, itwas A.4' Mm-hm.

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kind of stuggle to overcome' Wel[, I - it - it was clear that she was in some f,,"*' from the qualrty of her transmission it was uh, aperson and that ar emergency.

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Okay. And you re- responded from where?

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I think it was Sacramento

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San Pablo and Bancroft thereabouts'

Okay. Eventually you arrived on scene'

Yes..

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prior to going to the unit where' uh' the Um, did you speak with anyone, uh, officers were at all.'. Um...
,..when you arrived?

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...wellI_Isawotheroffrcersthereandwestartedgoingthroughtheopen
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jurnped th:.:lt1?i"r to the apartment building and thel we like' "Is that you know, I think, - I thfit (Mathis) slid something go"' And'I said, "We've got enough' L'et's
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with you guys? Okay. Who jumped in the elevator

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Ithinkitwasoum_uh,(I{ikos)'Idon,tknowhislastname.Kastmiler?
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to the fifth floor' Yeah. And, uh, so thbn we went up

okay.Sointheelevatorwithyouwasyourself,(Mathis),and,uhKastmiler?
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Okay Utr, and so you made it up to the fifth floor" '

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It was open.
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which this area - in which this incident occurred? General area that this, uh, incident occurred.
You mean in the aParblent?

in Uh could you just describe, uh, the Sener.ll iescrinli3l,oitne area the description of

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yeah. or the landing, apartment, and what you observed before we talk about what you sawin terms of the struggle, et cetera'
and there's Um, well, tltere's s- you krow, the elevator opsns up like an interior courtYard...

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it seems

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was a railing maybe or ...and I had to walk around the, ung I guess there of an L to get to the open something like that. And so I walked around kind

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I don't remember a lot about what the room looked like. I just remember an open door and I was able to look through to a like - a living room area oI something like that...
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a matffess and some clothes strewn about.

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okay.

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Um, so you look in and what are you observing in temrs of the officers and
the subject?

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Urn, I observe, uh, a - my first observation Was a very large persOn, very fat, very a lie, obese grotesquely morbidly obese personwith three officers

stuggling to, uh, subdue him.

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When you say they were stnrggling to subdue him what was the position the sudect and subject we're gonnabe refening to him as Mr. (Moore). Okay.

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His name is - last name (Moore). Um, what was }dr, (Moor$',s position and what was the, uh- the positioning of the officers when they were trying to subdue him? Um, I think Officer (Tu) - he was i- i- fust of all he was kind of on his knees and his elbows, uh, or tha- well, maybe his knees and his shoulders 'cause his hands were partially behind his back, um, and it looked like he was tryitrg to rise up. Um, Offrcer (Tu) would've been against the wall, uh, on the - on tr&. (Moore)'s, uh -uh, right side' And, um,-Officer (Brown) would've been towurds his front, his ihoulder area. And, um,I thint it was (Brandon Smith) had ahold of h- the left side of him.
So Officer (Tu) was to the w- right of Yeah-

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Mr. $4oore)..

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..was to the left, and Oflicer (Brown) towards the shoulder' ' '

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Mm-hm.

..,frontal shoulder area?

l-eah.

you're-saying based on Okay. And were they,.uh * which way was again, so *t uiyou described ihut Mr., um - uh, (I\4oorels- was on his belly or on his
back? He wasn't on his back. Okay. on his side 'cause a- all But [.don't know if he was on his stomach or partially I remembsr is focusing on where were his hands forthe mostpart" '

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Okay. ...because I
So when MI.n.

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,..uh it was only Officer (Tu), (Smittr), and (Brown)' Only,those Ri&r.

three?

Kastniler and okay. And you entered obviously you said - you said with (Mathis)...
Mm-hm.
...and he was not handcuffed?

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N- no.
Okay. So, uh, seeing what you

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that there were well I went to grab one of his hands or to help because [-saw to be - there seerned to be at handcuffs on at least one wlist and they seemed least two sets of handcuffs linked together'

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just tried I focused on tlrat hand' uh' and And so one of his hands was free and over clasp or hasp I guess it's called to help them bring trr*l* t *a.,rrropen to the uncuffed wrist.

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Doyourecallwhichhandwascuffedandwhichhandwasstilluncuffed?
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hand So you grabbed the uncuffed

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you're saying?

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Well,I_Itiedto.t-I_Ithfukatsomepointlwasabletokindahelppush clean grip' ililt h*dt together buil didn't have like''a very
handcuff you guys were able to successfully Okay. Um, so, uh, errentually
him?
Yes.
y-o1 can recall peopl.e wlro yiere doing the - if Okay. Um, and, uh - and the Mr"" in the succesitul handcuffing on the specific officers

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Mm-hm. ...uh, (Moore).-. Mm-hm.

- I don't know for swe'

Okay.

So... Well were You involved? I

- I was involvdd

Yeah"'

Okay.

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um, do you rememkr how Mr. (Moore) was clothed?

around He was partially naked or his, uh- like, there seemed to be something his legs l- and that was it - his lower extremities'
Do you remember

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if any of- other

off,rcers took

try to take control of Mr',

ull, (Moore)'s legs?

Yes.

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What do You recall?

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trYine to still get uP'

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Mm-hm Um, and I think (Mathis) had ahold of his lower legs someone, uh, called for the wraP' Mm-hm. we decided that And it was apparent that he would not fit in the wrap and so his ankles. we woul4 uh, put the hobble restraint from the wrap on
Okay, there's ahobble
So

- his aakles. And

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restaint"'

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I helPed with that'

...the staP Part for'

Yeah, the straP'
So You assisted in

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the"'

Yes.

.'.waPPing of the ankles?

Yeah.

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Okay. So it was you and (Mathis)?

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Yeah.And-andlthink-[*I'mnotsurebutlthinkitwas(Cardoza) l!a]d' "Let me have the hobble or the dropped the wrap ,igftir.xt t" y1 *a it to iMathis). And (Mathis) w- at that strap,,, and he gave it i" *. *t I gave
point was holding onto his f- ankles" ' Mm-hm.

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srap, whatev.,

Ur$' so I handed hlltfe.hobble or the ...because they were thrashing around' held his ank]es while (Mathis) vrapped it,,

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around his, uh, ankles'

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when you first got there and you saw Okay. Um, so when you described h), offi.*. (Tu), and officer" "

offi;(S*t
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it asthem having a vety difficult ...@rown), tr, e- d- would you deseribe time withthis mist- tr4r. (Moore)?

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Yealr.Idon,t_Idon,tt}rinkthattheywould'vebeenabletohandcuffhimifit
weren't for our assistance'

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officers are akeady having a.verr $itricuft so the three officers were e- thrree u.rief that without your help and the other time and you were - v"II---*;r v"*

officer,shelpthatitwould?vebeenvery-itwould,vebeenhardanddifficult

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to rluccerstullY handcuff him ?

Yes.That,sverytrueandldidqotic.ethatofficer(Tu)was_w.8Sa-clearly to uh, losing his abiliry to, uh, continue "r,

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struggle.

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where Mr" uh' (Moore) was n- uh' not Okay tlh, during the struggle period complying...

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commands to Mr' (Moore)? ...did you hear officers give verbal

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were' I do but I don't remember what they police comrnands? Okay. But you knew they were Yes. Yeah.

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it was? But you can't remember what

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for him to, I don,t rem- but I - I remember that there was some instruction his hands you know - youjust - stop resisting ot put his hands -just Plt though' exactly tehind his back, something like that. I don't rernember
Okay. Now

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Mr. (h4oore)o uh, do you remember him v' saying anything' . ^ 6u, *L mr - *frut was he.verbalizing during this - the struggle?

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remember h- h- or him I remember him - him yelting loudly, uh, but I don't articulating any words that I could make out'

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of pain of any way okay. Um, do you recall if Mr. (Moore) was complaining ;;6il;"g that he was having difficulry breathing of any way during the stuggle?

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I didn't hear anY of that. No'

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okay.Um-uh,y-wouldyoucharacterizeoffrcer(Mathisi,officer(Tu)as well? big -Uig officers? Um, and Officer (Smith) as

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weight? And you are - what's your stature? Your height and
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195. Okay.

And uh, based on y-

and you consider yourself in shape?

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ReasonablY. Yeah.

And, uh, your felt it _ do you feel that, um

uh, y- y- during the struggle.that

yo" Vo*taf was having

difficult time controlling"'

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Mm-hm.

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you describe if you can Did you at all - can you - during that period c- can on top *""if".t tfr* positionint of - wa*s a, ud - other offtcers were they at all any head' of his top on of Mr. (Moore), uh, oniop of chest, on top of his belly' oftlrat do you recall? my focus vgas really I don't really recall that, um, anybody on hirn because to his iiigafy." ietting his hands handcuffed and then I immediately moved of someone So, um, I don't - I don't have a recollection f.ri i"Lfp

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Do you recall what as- Officer Kastniler was doing?

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and or um, are you, ul1 based on your taining anf .experience you able to, training yoo *uy have oi specialized training are *V "aairioral someboiy who may be uriiler fte influence of some kind of uU, t "ogrre narcotic or illicit drug?

Okay.

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that he was

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Strength?

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I don't remember that. Uh, was he sweating profusely (unintelligible) anything like that?

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Okay. Um, before going - let me back track just, uh, real briefly. Before-going to the call for assistance on the radio did you even know what type of cdll that these officers were at? (Brown) and, uh, (Tu).

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I remember hearing the call originally of sorne kind of disturbance, some kind of, uh, fi.ght between roommates and I heard three units - I believe three units got disparched to it. So I just kind of a.bsently heard it and - and then I didn't fiear anything rnore wfil all of a zudden I heard (Elaine Brown)'s re- voice on the radit urklng for help or cover - additional units'
Okay. LIh - uh, let me just do this real quick then. Have you ever had any prior contact with Mr. (Moore)?

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okay. Do you have any prior knowledge of Mr. (Moore), who he was and what he was all about?

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it was or not.

* Okay. Um, all right. So, uh, you said that you were you - you - you and the othei officers were able to successfully handcuffhim. A'1d were you and Offrcer (Mathis) or any other offtcer together able to suc- successfully restrain
his ankles?

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Yes, we were. Okay. After his airkles were restrained and heos now in handcuffs did the struggle continue?

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Um, yeah. We e- he was still trying to don't know how long that went on...
Okay.

lift up his legs, um,

and move'

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keep him ...but we - we had to basically immobite- or t- to tlre best of ability and there and that* in o"r place while we decided how to get him tansported we realized he was some discussion about, uh, the ,urip ,ertos BFD and then was just too big to fit a wrap so it had to be BFD'

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how was H- when you said you kept him immobile like, to your recollection Mr. (Moore) kept immobile while waiting for, uh, BFD?

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I was - I - I feel like he was partially on his side because when ulr, Vou $ly'um' on on down at his arkles, um, his ankles were togetlter, was othe, and like I said, I didn't really, um, look to hil head but I tp and And "rtrr" onto his ankles or (Mathis) was. I can't remember what. fro'fOlrg
It was that's it.

looking

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So

the other.

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That-yeah.
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like, I'm doing with my wrists tike that? Except he was on his back. He would be more parallel?

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Right. you knowthat you were And so yoI]J recollection is that because of the way i,;id*g'il *kles if - you believe that he was probably o11 at least partially on
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side? Do you recollect? Was somebody bracing him to keep him on his

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That I don't rememberOkay. But he was on his side?

Yeah. on top of him; okay. And to - and to you recollection nobody was s- sitting laying on top of him at that Point?

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aS you said as to the wrap okay' All right. Um, and so there was a discussion d- was it determined based on or BFD and when yor.uia, uh, was it - was it a-isrusrion that you were gonna call BFD?

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better - it was he,s too big for the wrap. we *Yeah' thev'll il- S;td;,uh, (Ptillip;i*u 'o*tthiog like'

It was

call BFD and, uh, I think

do the four

or roor.thirg like that in a gurney'

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it was some kind of I don't know if she used the word four point but restaint...
Yeah.

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.,.term that she used.

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BID'* bring a yorlr decision was that you guys gonna get the hi*Lio - io a medical gumev and to gurney up so you take him down?
So you

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Right. _ while at,- did yoll know at the time white during you know do is is Question rrupiffi *ny trr."mcers, u[ wanted him restrained in the struggle handcuffi? What was the intent?

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No. I did not know.

okay.Arrdafterthe-everythin.gcatmeddownandtheyweretoldthatwe,re to take him out of the room do you gonna get the gurney f;.;'h;ltd'' Moole) [no* it y he was gonna be taken out of the room?
No.
Okay. IJm, so, uh, you're

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correct?

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Yeah.

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All right. And who

you recall? made the request for the gurnefl Do

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I believe it was, uh, Sergeant (Phillips).

unforhrnately, Bm - um, Ivft', uh, (Moore) And while waiting for the gurney -Could you describe how that came about to the best had a difficulty breathing.

ofyour...

kr"*,

we were waiting for the gumey and I don't remember the passage of you know, we - we timen uh, but it was not that long, um, and then, eh, he weren't holding him down at that point. Uh...
You were not?

Just at some point

it

seemed like he was not breathing.

I mean, it just, you

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No. Um, or

we were it was lilie, light touch just the way you might, uh, you'lI hold On to someone without pressure but knowing if they start resistrng

if - if

- you'll know it. Um...

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he was And he was stitt breathing at that point when you guys were doing that still. . .

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...was he still screaming?

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No. Okay. But he

but you knew that he was breathing?

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who it so with that khd of, uh, I guess a iight touch, uh, it - I don't remember wasn't. So, um, was said, "H.y, is he breathing?" And I - and I looked and he need to do * w9 well, we tumed *- *.tt I guess it we immediately decided .fr*.i.o*prrssions ight away. And, uh, Sergeant (Phillip$ asked for, uh, term, something BFD to rqspond to a riedical emergency. I think she used that

like it.

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and, um, And I immediately went over and attempted or did unhandcuffhim be roiled yr- rrrr*, po- u- it *ut tioJof all one motion where he was gonna So unhandcuffhim' to thr;d;nto his Uu.ttfr"r.fo* I wouldn'tbe able was it who th;i poiirt f was unhandcuffing him as - as I don't rernember

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So you

back

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ly started chest compressions'

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a'unhandcuffed Mr. (Moore)?

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Yes.

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Okay.
SuccessfirllY ?

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And...

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Yes.

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where they were doing okay. And he was rolled back onto his back and thenthe officers started doing CPR? Yes.

and

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Uh,doyourememberwhot-whichofflrcerisdoingthechesicompression?
A; It was OfEcer (Tu).

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okay'Doyouremdmberwhowasdoingtheairwayportionofthe_theair?
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was clear? Um, you mean making sure that the airway Yeah. Or

if (unintelligible)'

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I...
...normally you have somebody at the mouth" Risht.
...and somebodY at the chest'
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I don't remember who did that'

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la- sOkay. All right. So if you can femember from the time that the f- for the suh, iack of a better expression from the time that the, uh, fight was sstopped to the time that he stopped breathing'.
Mm-hm. ...what

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what would you

do you remember what time span that would be?

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Um, there a couple minutes.

Couple minutes?

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Yeali.
uh, okay. so what- what are you doing while, uh, ttre officers were doing, CPR on IvIr. (Moore)?

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irformation as to whether or not BFD was was in from a firI'or something like that 'cause there was another incident that arrived progress. And so I was,-um - I went out the door to see if they had icause I was gonna lead 'em back into the, uh, room'

.#tirti"g,

uh.,

there was - [ went out the door 'cause BFD - I - wellon scene or comiag

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and I think, urn - uh, you know, there was some talk uU*t, yo,, koo*, let's get these guys here, you know, s- can we speed it up or something like that.
So I was, you know

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And so you were out on the landing area (unintelligible)'

Yeah. I think I went back and forth once or twice' Okay.
Just

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And w- every time you went back in it was just simply the officers" '

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Just...

...continuing CPR?

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alone point I asked Officer (Tu) know, give him a break or...
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if

he needed, uh

needed, um, you

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...to take over if he was getting tired and, ulU but he seemed to be doing a pretry good job. And he said no, he was fine'
Okay.

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And, um... Okay. And eventually paramedics. arrived?

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And, um, BFD came alrd, uh, kept working on Iv{r' (Moore) an{-1hey transportla him in the ambulanci to Vqur knowledge to (uninlelli$b1e) the hospital? so when * after they trans- after they took Mr. (Moore) out of ,oo* ho* - did you stay or did you - did you leave or what - whaf happened
thereafter?

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Well,I left
When Yeah. When *re Yeah.

and went downstairs.

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Did you leave the aparhnent scene? Did you drive

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Mm-hm' _ was downstairs and, ...in the aparknent. (sha-wrr) was, uh (shawn) Ross that's as much as I recall for sure'
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Um, maybe (Van) Huynh was there but I

I can't be sure

at some Point'

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Did you interact with any subjects that weren't police officers or Mr. (Moore) during the time when you came there in the apartment (unintelligible)? I, um - when was" ' Mm-hm. ...and there was a person and I don't know who it was but they were like, looking and it looked like they knew what was going on so I said, "Where is

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where the room.

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Mm-hm. *Where's the room," maybe or something like that. And he just pointed,
OkaY.
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Did you know that pelson from prior contact or anything?

No. No.
Okay. And did you see that person later or" '

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Okay (gnintelligible). Okay. Lh, actually I got some questions. Last ones from me. bf uU the offrcers on scene that you re- can caJl - you can reoall- . -

Mm-hin. Mm-hm.

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at any time did any officer or you strike Mr. (Moorei with a open

hand or closed fist?

No.

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Did you witness any offtcer or you use

No one used a baton that I saw'

use the, uh, baton?

Had you or any other officer, uh, used, uh, OC spray?

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Did you or any other officer to your, uh, recollection use any type of weap' afly type of instrument that can be used as a blunt object? No.

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A- and did you or any other officer use your firearm?

No Did No.
Okay. Um, let's see. Do you recall ofthe best of you recollection any other officers who were or scene other than those that you've mentioned so far?

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was a firearm used in any way as a blunt object?

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A- up in the a- aPartnent?
8- up inthe apartnent,
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Pnintelligible) no.
That's iL
Okay. Uh, what about outside while you were leaving and, uh, you were outside waiting to be relieved]

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. Um-uh,(AndrewFranco)wasthere.Um, (TimKaplan)and,um..'
Okay.

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...that'sit. Thatwasasfaraslremember.
(Hany), anything?
No, thank you. Um, is there anytbing you want to, uh, add that we may benefrt from knowing?

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Um, I would just say that - that we did our behave very ProfessionallY'

b.est and that

I saw every officer

Okay. Good. (Unintelligible). Ali right. It is, uh, 1847 hours. This concludes the interview, uh, Officer Gardner, G-A-R.DN'E-R'

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