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cautionary requirement may not exceed 30 percent of the nonfederal share of the total project costs. third. THE COURT: not just reading it. THE WITNESS: No, no, sir, I answered -- I believe you You remember that of your own knowledge, And I had said a
would find it -- I said I believed it was a third, so ... Q. Ms. Lide, you remember Mr. Rubinstein asking you questions
about multiple communications to NIST, including yourself, from Dr. Karron? A. Q. I do. After the grant was suspended, what was the reason that you
yourself stopped meeting with him? A. At the beginning -- we were instructed by our general
counsel to stop meeting with him after the suspension of the award. MR. KWOK: THE COURT: May I approach, your Honor? Yes, you may.
B as in boy.
Ms. Lide, Mr. Rubinstein asked you a moment ago to read a Can you read the e-mail in its
242 8637KAR5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. A. Yes. "Additionally please do not proceed with the audit It is extremely important that a bill not of it. Q. He read a portion of it. Can you read the entirety of that THE COURT: Lide - redirect Actually what he read -- he read a portion
of Justice has formally initiated a grand jury investigation regarding the NIST ATP award made to Computer Aided Surgery. In order to ensure that DOJ and the Inspector General's office are able to complete a thorough and timely investigation, we are requesting that all NIST" -- "all" is all in caps -- "NIST personnel cease contact with Computer Aided Surgery (CASI), Dr. Karron and all CASI representatives. Inquiries from those
be generated for the funds that CASI misappropriated from the award. Please contact me if there are any further concerns or I look forward to working with all of you over the Thank you."
questions.
And who wrote that e-mail? Rachel A Garrison, special agent. THE COURT: For the Department of Commerce?
243 8637KAR5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Q. THE WITNESS: Commerce. Q. A. Q. A. And do you see Rachel Garrison in this courtroom? I do. Can you point her out? She is at the front table with a dark suit and a blue Lide - redirect Sorry. Yes, United States Department of
blouse under it. MR. KWOK: THE COURT: No further questions. Recross. Yes, your Honor.
Is it fair to say that -MR. KWOK: THE COURT: Objection. Let's rephrase the question.
Thank you, Judge. Are you -- is cofunding part of your job? Are you
No, I don't believe it is. THE COURT: I don't see the relevance of this. He just asked her on cross. He
Didn't you say when you first answered that question that
it was one third -- that one third? SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300