what is the difference between low speed balancing and dynamic balancing in turbine rotor perspective?

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BrianUnfollow Follow Brian Brian Hulse Simply put, low-speed balancing (or static balancing) is a process that balances a component in one plane. It is normally used for a rotating component or a single stage of a multi-stage assembly. Dynamic balancing is a process that balances a completed rotating assembly in a minimum of two planes. This process is normally used for assembled rotors or assemblies that span a distance between two bearings. 4 days ago Unlike Like

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JeremyUnfollow Follow Jeremy Jeremy Culberg Adding to Brian's comment, a static balance will carry a greater risk of requiring a trim balance during actual running conditions, when compared to a dynamic balance. 4 days ago Unlike Like

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NicholasUnfollow Follow Nicholas Nicholas Schroeder Slow speed balancing is dynamic balancing at slow speed. Set the rotor on bearing stands, rotate w/ a leather belt and electric motor, hook up the IRD and run at 360 rpm instead of 3600. Don't get too close or on the side where it roll if it comes off the bearing stands. 4 days ago Unlike Like

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MichaelUnfollow Follow Michael Michael Kurbesov I do not understand why need a slow speed. Maybe the definition of slack in the shaft? For example, to assess the condition of the shaft, it should be put on a plane - parallel to the prism. "Heavy point" is at the bottom. Dynamic balancing at different speeds of rotation, is to eliminate the imbalance arising from: F = ma. 3 days ago Unlike Like

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BrianUnfollow Follow Brian Brian Hulse In my experience, static balancing is performed individually on key (if not all) components in a rotating assembly as they are being built up and readied for final assembly. Once the rotating assembly is together, dynamic balancing is performed to "fine tune" the assembly, and account for any residual imbalance that may have accumulated due to part positional error.

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WayneUnfollow Follow Wayne Wayne Karberg Actually, there isn't any difference between "slow speed balancing" and "Dynamic Balancing" from a turbine rotor perspective. A slow speed balance IS a dynamic balance. I beleive what the poster really means is what is the difference of "Low Speed Balancing" and "Full Speed" or "High Speed" balancing. If that is the real intent, then the difference is the lowered probability of trim balancing at speed, with a much higher cost.Balancing a turbine rotor at full speed (out of the turbine assembly) typically requires a hardened enclosure for safety, with spinning performed under a good vacuum. These are not portable devices and the rotor is shipped to the balancing facility, rather than being performed at the installation site. And these facilities may have booked prior commitments far in advance, that interfer with maintenance schedules. "High Speed" balance is very useful when the turbine operating speed is above the third critical speed (resonance) of the rotor (a "flexible" rotor rather than a stiff rotor). This would typically apply to small high speed and VARIABLE SPEED turbines, such as pump or compressor drive turbines. It can be VERY difficult to place mid-span trim balance corrections in an assembled turbine. 3 days ago Unlike Like

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PeterUnfollow Follow Peter Peter DeStefano High speed balancing, performed at running speed allows for compensation of all variables. Once the characteristics of the rotor are deterimined (depending on the instrumentation used - may include lag angle, slow-speed offest, etc.) future balance attempts will be quicker and more accurate. 1 day ago Unlike Like

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ByronUnfollow Follow Byron Byron Wooldridge Wayne's answer is the best in my opinion. In the case of a centrifugal pump or compressor rotor with multiple impellers or a multistage turbine rotor or a gas turbine rotor, vibration due to imbalances in different areas can lead to responses in places one would not think they would occur--I believe there are a number of terms, "cross-plane coupling" and "dynamic coupling" being two. Low speed dynamic balance can offset much of these effects if properly done. The sticky part is making sure the balancing work done to mitigate the dynamic coupling unbalance effects does not add to responses while accelerating through critical speeds--so one may still have to do some field balancing. High speed dynamic balancing at speed is done in vacuum bunkers to eliminate aerodynamic effects (particularly the horsepower and thrust loads) generated if done at atmospheric pressure and is frequently done with the actual bearings the machine uses in order to duplicate as closely as possible the damping coefficients of the assembled machine. 1 day ago Unlike Like

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JaswantUnfollow Follow Jaswant Jaswant Grover If during O/h some repair or even only sand blasting is done ,it is preferred to do slow speed balancing , so that less time /effort is needed during full speed trim balance. 10 hours ago Unlike Like

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Ray Beebe Moore and Dodd of the then-C A Parsons Co in England showed in the 1960s that low speed balancing of a flexible rotor of large steam turbogenerators was not needed, provided that the turbine could be run to at least the first critical speed. A bunker as described above was used in works balancing, evacuated to reduce windage for LP rotor balancing. Their modal balancing method had the first mode unbalance corrected with balance masses near the centre of the rotor span (or if this was not available, first mode correction was made using a mass at each end in the same phase. Once first mode unbalance was corrected, the machine would be run to its second critical speed and the second mode unbalance corrected with a pair of weights, one each end of the rotor in antiphase. If a third mode correction was needed, the process continued. The same process was applied to trim balancing in the field, accepting the limited choice of balance planes. Not all OEM balancing pundits agreed, and I remember seeing papers arguing both cases. For the details, hunt out papers by them and also I think by a Mr Kellenburger (?). 3 hours ago Unlike Like

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HARIUnfollow Follow HARI HARI B. what is difference between flexible rotor and rigid rotor? 3 hours ago Unlike