Constant Contact Survey Results

Survey Name: Lakeshore West Transit Survey

Response Status: Partial & Completed
Filter: None
Jun 01, 2009 8:45:10 PM

13. What factors of existing TTC service cause you to choose other forms of transportation? - Other responses
Answer
limited line access to my workplace
getting downtown meets only part of my transit needs
How unreliable the streetcar can be - sometimes huge gaps between, then 5 or 6
Cost, if more than 1 passenger, car is cost-effective
do not commute daily
Go Transit Parking Lot
none
Car or walking
I go to several other locations outside the downtown on the same trip
better parking for cars
I NEVER use ttc
Delays on Queen St that affect us
being asked to get off the streetcar for short turns - infuriating!
interuprions of services
GO train is faster and nicer
Improper signage on vehicles
cost
breakdowns in TTC vehicles
passenger use of cell phones on streetcars very annoying
it's not convenient
No right of way
Takes WAY too long - GO is faster
safety
Queen car is too slow and infrequent
GO system more convenient and comfortable to ride
unreliability of the schedule
loss of metropass parking
Costs too much for short trip
Loud headphone music, obnoxious drivers
Inconsistent & disrupted service
travel with baby
rude bus female bus driver
cleanliness of cars, change of car once you are on, getting to GO
will not accept old style tokens
lack of available parking at the subways
I drive downtown
the wait at humber loop to continue journey
if 4 people go it's cheaper to drive. If late 11+ & I'm alone I prefer to drive
Unreliable widly varrying travel times.
connections with mississauga transit and other ttc routes
Seating is uncomfortable and dirty
I drive to Royal York station and go from there....
TTC is undepandable and erratic. Streetcars are clumped together or none at all.
time factor in morning i take the go its faster to get to union
unreliable, always need to transfer to get close to my destination - one more "
no patience for the system
reliability of TTC
Streetcar is excellent!!!!
Carpooling expenses are less than TTC costs.
Service is unreliable due to traffic congestion on Queen Street.
have passengers in car
the streetcar is unreliable. No way to know when breakdowns happen
I like to drive my car
Husband and I drive in as less costly than Go and TTC. Would like express bus/
volume or size of merchandise being purchased
Shorncliffe 123 is a waste of time, 7 min detour to Sherway Gardens.
poor intersecting to different city parts
I no longer work dowtown so travel there infrequently
no direct route to where I want to go
I go to many places requiring too many connections and too many $$$
no factors
no direct route to union
short turning queen st cars from downtown to Mimico.
too much shopping / work equip to carry
I don't. I take TTC and GO everyday
i already own a car
How many travelling at once
Unreliable service
Streetcar changes (unexpected and expected ones)
Cost
My car is the better way
Need my vehicle for business during the day
I will never use the ttc on lakeshore
travel to downtown from Airport area (office)
GO Train is faster
GO Transit =15min, TTC =1 hr
time constraints
lack of parking at GO- unreliable TTC sevice to GO and double of cost
Transit time (GO is faster)
I have a disability. I use Wheel Trans when I need to take a walker.
Malfunctions/Short-turns (10% of trips)
I rarely travel to downtown directly from home
have baby - stroller issues on streetcar
Sales requires me to be all over
Uncertainty about when next cars coming - not on schedule
long walk to streetcar
winter travel difficult
prefer to take the car
lack of direct one-vehicle service to subway
unavailable costly parking options near main subway lines
infrequency of Long branch street cars from downtown
Go train is more efficient
walk from home to & from TTC stop
Cars not going where their signs say they are going (I travel to and from East)
cleanliness
need to transfer
if there is a delay on the lakeshore streetcar it affects the whole trip
carrying large heavy objects
safety
lack of routes that our close
toolkit and supplies required for work over 200 kg.
Unreliability of service
drivers are rude
personal safety on Lakeshore i.e. drug dealers
The Humber Loop. It sucks. Feh.
GO transit
no transfer to GO train
Convenience of car to specific aeas
return trip too long. okay getting there but twice as long to get home.
too expensive, especially when I work in Mississauga and have to pay two fares t
I prefer the GO
I rarely travel downtown, when I do I take the GO train from Mimico station.
parking
Cost
in the summer months i ride a motorcycle downtown, cold months = ttc
comfort & safety
Too slow and you never know when there is a problem somewhere on the line.
I take the GO train
unpredictability of service
I drive to Royal York and take the subway.
weather
Looks and smells dirty. Bus drivers are not aware of riders running for the bus
Drop off while on my way to Markham.
GO train offers free parking
go train runs parallel to ttc line
Use Go
Too Slow, too many stops
Palace Pier privat bus
Witnessed violence near me
poor route options
I don't go downtown and TTC is not convenient for north/south travel
Connections are difficult - the subway stystem not convenietn
convenience
Intro. of parking fees for Metropass users. Sadly I gave up my metropass.
need car for meetings
safety
n/a
No room for tools and equipment
Cost
TTC does not get me to where I need to go
lack of dependability of surface routes
I bike during the summer.
my vehicle is more convenient
Convenience Subway is preferred
schedule
the streetcar after the park lawn loop stops way too frequently along queen st
THIS IS A BIASED QUESTION INCONVENIENT TO GET TO ANY DESTINATION EXCEPT DOWNTOWN
GO Train
really poor service intervals
I work on the Bloor line so take the 44 Kipling South to the subway
short turns too often
subway is closer
waste of resources
 I have to use the subway because the streetcar service is too slow
If I'm running late
Get a lift
unreliable service
poor connection to go train
My office is not on any TTC line; I prefer to drive.
TTC streetcars travel in bunches with long intervals in between
streetcars short turning
going to Mississauga for work
more convenient for work purposes
22. What factors of TTC service would you hope would be improved by an LRT line? - Other responses
Answer
I am not in favour of the LRT Line
Reliablility since it will be separate from traffic
Environmental: commuters would leave cars at home
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!
none
only concern is residential impact
I am not in favour of the LRT
Fast back and forth trips directly into city
Will destroy the business section
I am worried about local accessibility and travel
It is a terrible idea
no short turns
reliability
quicker on and off times while stopped
Less turning back of cars
none - this is unnecessary
I oppose the line
care
Not sitting in car traffic
improved streetscape
safety concerns
Comfort and convenience of trip
reliability of the schedule
Allow for more parking and bike lanes.
DO NOT WANT AN LTR LINE
Not in favor of LRT
You should use busses rather than LRT becasue then if problems arise everything
delays
People to the area that build in shopping, community, the proposed kills that
less street car `groupings' or `bunch ups
no wait at humber loop
local air quality
safety
More comfortable, clean seating
minimize winter delays due to snow
reliability
a dependable, quick way to travel without having to endure rude TTC operators.
Relaible, on-time, service, with info on next vehicle posted
Don't need it!!!! Streetcar is good
I do not want the LRT
less transit stoppage
frequent access points
don't think any
passes for regular users
nothing
I don't think we need it. We just need a Long Branch to Roncessvalles continual
don't need LRT
Can't see any advantage over GO train
Community balance
amalgamation of GO transit to streamline all public transit
None... an LRT is the wrong solution
I dont think this is the way to improve the TTC along Lakeshore
Reliability of service according to schedule
increased property values
No improvement
don't want the LRT
all of the above
It's the stupidest idea I've ever heard
None - current service is fine - save local retailers.
None - it would be a disaster to business & people would have no reason to come
LRT will cause too many problems for business, parking and biking..
dependable service-no really long delays
some off-peak service- reliablility of service
Cost
Nothing
Behaviour of passengers;respect/safety
I am opposed to the LRT line
Cost
significant improvement in travel time compared with Go Train travel time
no impact to parking along lakeshore
reliability
waste of taxpayers money
reliable service
I can't see an real benefits
it can't solve the problem of the walk to the TTC stop (mobility issues)
pricing: an extra fare on top of the normal TTC fare??!!
more direct, fewer stops
safety
EAsier to acess; not as long of a walk
express to downtown
Reliability
feesible for the lower income also, the GO train is more reasonable
reliability of service west of Humber Loop on Lakeshore line
I can't see any improvement!!!
let us use the GO train service with transfer to TTC
None
Availability of a commuter parking lot.
extent the rush hour service past 6pm
some sort of tranfer ticket that gets me on mississauga without paying again
combine it with GO fares and make fares competitive with costs of driving / park
Cost
Downtown Express Service
Cleaner, Drivers care of passengers
travelling west to sherway gardens
install left turn signals at intersections during rushhour
LRT line would be detrimental to Lakeshore
reliability
I oppose the LRT
I HOPE THE LRT LINE WILL NOT COME TO EFFECT IT WILL DESTROY THE AREA
happy with the way it is
not familar with details and/or impact of LRT on my neighborhood
do not want LRT line
fine, just as is
less congestion as cars would not have to stop for street cars at every pick-up
not necessary for Lakeshore - necessary for Parkdale to downtown
more comfortable streetcar
Safety
dependability
better scheduling
Reliability of service
take it along lakeshore all the way don't go up to queen st
DO NOT SEE ANY OF THESE BEING RESOLVED BY LRT
opposed to the service
none - LRT not the solution
lrt will not solve scheduling issues
no improvement expected
none will be improved better scheduling needed
Better schedule adherence & service reliability
none
expect no improvement
doubt there will be any improvement
not much
probably no change
none expected realistically
no change
no change will happen
no difference
nothing will improve enough to justify LRT cost
wasting money
none
no change will happen
more transit stops so we don't have to walk so far
nothing
none likely
no change
won't change poor service
No benefit would be derived
physical conditions of vehicles - heat in winter is inadequate. Very dirty inter
I don't want the LRT - I don't see any potential improvement
safety
Lrt will make no difference
no change
I don't want an LRT Line on the Lakeshore
not much
not sure if any change
none
none
Better management of current service. We do not need new capital expenditure. Ju
no change
no improvement
 no change
service will be the same
more stops
no change
none
none
Cost???
no change
no change
no change expected
none
38. Comments: If you would like to make further comments on either the possibility of Express Bus Service or
the proposed LRT service, please provide your comments here. Comments will be passed on to both Councillor
Mark Grimes and TTC staff. Please note that no one will be responding to any of the comments made as part of
this survey. If you would like a direct reply to your comment or concern, please send an email to
councillor_grimes@toronto.ca or TTC email address. - Responses
Answer
With facilities like Humber College and an expanding residential area west of Park Lawn, please don't fall short of this
project's full potential by limiting it's range to only Park Lawn (where there is already an issue with traffic congestion as
the lakeshore reduces to one lane and new condos in that area will see even more road traffic in the near future).

I currently drive into downtown almost every day. My wife takes the streetcar and drives her car occasionally. On the
streetcar, her trip duration has taken over 1.5 hrs to get from Islington to Queen/John. I can't risk that kind of situation
and am forced to drive. Her return trip at night almost always sees her switching streetcars at the Humber line and is
consistently over an hour. If an LRT was put in place we could get rid of our second vehicle easily and would reduce
our road trips to the downtown by 75%. It would also mean close to 1-2 hours eliminated from the daily commute
The assumption behind this survey and the enhanced TTC plan in general, is that the only place people need or want
to go is downtown!!

People in this community need transit so that they can live in the entire community - not just go downtown! I need to
get to Sherway Mall, to shopping along the Queensway, to access the subway to go places other than 'downtown', and
to access social and recreational activities in other parts of the west end of Toronto (the former Etobicoke).

You will never get people out of their cars and on to public transit if you do not improve transit to meet all transit
needs - work, school, shopping, recreational and social activities.

Regarding LRT Impact on: Local Business - I would hope that better transit and more reliable would have people
moving between Browns Line, Mimico and New Toronto more and exploring new business. However, business in New
Toronto is suffering - only from St. Clair - it affected business adversley.

Local Business Development - Hard to say. I really don't know.

Cyclist - use the paths and side streets - don't think it would be a big impact.

Being to Calgary - I know that the LRT is much faster and easier to use. LRT is the way to go for the future.

Let's get people out of their cars, walking our neighbourhoods and using reliable, accessible transit.

I have found service faster when Buses run along the Lakeshore.
WE have family who live in the ST Clair neigbourhood - through them we have experienced the ongoing negative
impact of the LRT on their area. It is impacting in a very negative way on their ability to shop and live in their
neigbourhood. The Lakeshore is finally starting to come into it's own and develop in a very positive way. WE are
getting and retaining quality businesses. If we get the LRT I can see the Lakeshore losing the businesses we have and
I have walked, cycled and driven in the area for over 20 years. I note that the more Lakeshore is chopped up for new
intersections, transit islands, etc. the harder it gets to move around. Idling cars pile up behind streetcars and so on -
not conducive to a healthy community.

I think the LRT will have a POSITIVE effect for business - one only has to look at built up areas around subway
systems, and the business impact there.

Parking/car space is only important today BECAUSE the transit is poorer.

I do not currently commute daily to downtown but have in the past for 13 years. I feel that the LakeShore line from
Port Credit to Park Lawn is adequate for commuters. Perhaps "express buses" to downtown all the way on the
LakeShore would be a better idea.

I have lived between Elma St and Seventh St all of my life, fifty-six years....and honestly do not want to live through
Lane reductions to accomodate LRT service is not an acceptable for vehicular traffic along Lakeshore Blvd.

Concrete islands are a severe hazard especially at night. The island lights blur into the traffic lights and they are
very, very confusing for motorists.

Since these islands have been installed, I have seen significant increase in accidents. Running of traffic lights mainly
LRT will ruin the potential for quality development of Lakefront (like Bronte, Oakville and Port Credit with quaint shops
and pedestrain freindly). It will create a barrier to the Lake (already have QEW and Rail line) and seems to depart
from 20/20 vision and parkette developments. A rail system with no draw from the south (180 degrees of Lake)
seems to be a waste of time and money. Possible new transit riders north of Lake Shore will likely use the QEW (car,
Bottom lines for my family:

1) The humber loop short turns are annoying and potentially dangerous, dropping lone females off in the dark in a
none too friendly place late at night... NO MORE SHORT TURNS... take people home.

2) No streetcar driver knows when the next car will be along OR if it will even go to browns line.

3) The total travel time downtown is prohibitive for a daily commute compared to the car or even going up to the
subway on weekends. We would drive a LOT less if we trusted the lakeshore / queen line both ways... we do not.

4) Streetcars are too infrequent and unreliable going in either direction west of the humber loop

5) we need a dedicated transit lane so that traffic congestion does not slow down the streetcars... otherwise go to
busses... streetcars and automobiles do not mix well.
My biggest concern is the impact an LRT line would have on retail development along Lakeshore. We want the
community to thrive and attract new and intesting and diverse retail locations. I'd hate to see better access to
The vision that most people have of the future of this area is of a livable village by the lake atmosphere. The
introduction of a dedicated, high speed transportation corridor (for trains and cars) dividing the main street is not
compatible with that vision. We do not and are not projected to have the population in this area to support a project
like this. The reduction in the number of stops and (probably) frequency will hamper transit within our area. Decreased
parking, narrower sidewalks, impeded pedestrian access all make our retail shops less viable and will end the
revitalization efforts that are underway. The proposal does nothing for people heading in other directions - to the north
for example.

I believe reducing lanes along the Lakeshore for a dedicated LRT would be beneficial. Currently, Lakeshore is a
throughway to somewhere else. This is evident by the quantity of boarded up or empty commercial spaces in the
Lakeshore district. Reducing traffic flow and speed, while allowing for increased flow for public transportation may
give the area an opportunity to become a valued retail stop for local and neighbouring residents. Increased public
transportation access to downtown is positive and proactive planning for the future. In these tough economic times,
infrastructure projects are a hard sell for local governments. However, during these times, when every level of
government are looking for ways to stimulate the ecconomy, there is an opportunity to "catch up" on infrastructure
As part of the transportation improvement, the number of parking spaces at Mimico Go Transit needs to be
Their NEEDS to be MOE study done on this before its RAMMED through. i can see the POSITIVE as well as the
NEGATIVE aspects so i would suggest we speak and look at other areas of the city in which this already EXISTS.
BUT having said that our AREA is DISTINCT as i dont want it to effect the buisness area in which ALOT of progress
has been made. IF somebody can GIVE US STRONG FACTS that this will be GOOD for buisnesses and wont effect
the community buisnesses from attracting Higher end stores as well as attracting people to do shopping and touring
the area then i would say YES . But also i think that they will have to consider VERY CAREFULLY NOT to hinder
traffic and FIND a BEST solution of how to make the streetscape work and IMPLEMENT GREEN spaces and NOT
just a CONCRETE BLAND Steetscape. WE ONLY HAVE ONE SHOT at this so SPECIAL CARE AND TIME MUST
be the ONLY way to look at this ENTIRELY. We only have one SHOT and WE must NOT be FORCED to have what
WE dont want.
Over 100 business will be impacted (lost to the neighbourhood) by the proposed LRT, the neighbourhood will lose
most of its local shopping (new restaurants etc), business that are not impacted will close because of loss of business
with all local parking removed, Residents will be upset with more parking on side streets, residential property values
will decline, more residents will be using cars to shop at the malls because they can not walk to the local shops as
I am very concerned about creating an LRT west of Parklawn. I live, work, shop and play in the Lakeshore and as a
non-driver, I realize how important our existing TTC service is. Many years ago, the TTC decided to alter their transit
route and have cars from from Longbranch Loop to Neville, instead of Longbranch to Humber Loop. This is what has
caused the headaches for the west end of service. Before this occurred, we had great service. Every twelve minutes
you knew a streetcar would arrive and if there was a delay, you knew there must have been an accident in Mimico.
Now delays can happen on Queen St - which is common as that is a very congested road - which leave us stranded in
the west end.

I am very concerned about access to side streets due to the curb that will be installed.I cross Lakeshore at Sixth St.
everyday and often more than once. It very is frustrating making a left hand turn from Islington on to the Lakeshore
eastbound due to on coming traffic and pedestrian crossing.Many times only two cars are able to turn.With the
proposed plan Islington will become much busier as will streets like Fifth and Third to name a few.If we can only cross
Lakeshore at lighted intersections these streets will become very congested.It often difficult to navigate the one way
streets as it is (due to drivers not understanding how to drive/make turns on these streets).The increased traffic
turning from Islington to Lakeshore east is also a safety concern for pedestrians crossing at the intersection.My two
This area has taken a lot of hits over the years but I think the LRT would be the WORST thing to happen to all area
residents. Why destroy a complete town when an extra streetcar or two or even an express to the mimico or long
I think it is fantastic the TTC is exploring ways to improve streetcar service to downtown, however, I have concerns
with the current proposal.

The main problem with the 501 streetcar is the travel time to downtown. Travel times average 60 minutes to
downtown versus 15-20 minutes by car.

Creating an LRT along Lake Shore will not solve this problem. The problem is Queen Street. This section of the
route takes the most time.

It would be a better investment of the TTC's time and money if they examined re-routing the 501 to Union Station via
It is the return trip from downtown (or in my case from Kingston Road which is the trouble. It takes sometimes 2.5
hours to do the trip which in the morning takes 1 hour. When you get on a streetcar with a sign that says Kipling or
Brown's Line it should go all the way and not be turned along the way. If the signage was correct at the beginning of
the trip it would make it less confusing for commuters over which car to take.
The priority for the TTC has to be improving service east of Park Lawn. Retaining the Humber Loop and returning to
a Lakeshore streetcar would be a benefit. A dedicated LRT along the Lakeshore would destroy the commercial area
of New Toronto. As for a link to Mississauga - an LRT along the Queensway makes a lot more sense than along
Lakeshore.
Please note I found some of the response options very limiting. It is rare that I find the need to use the streetcar
within the Lakeshore area. Most of my shopping is within walking distance and if I am going to the grocery store for
my weekly shopping, I would still use the streetcar. We only go downtown for occasional appointments during the day
so increasing the access to downtown would be somewhat favourable but not at the expense of easy access to stores
An additional $2.25 to the existing fee for LRT is too high considering many factors. A go train is cheaper from Mimico
to Union at $3.75 vs $5.50 for LRT.
I do NOT support an express bus service as an alternate to a designated streetcar line. Priority should be given to
designated electric transit in the form of streetcars or LRT over gasoline-based vehicles of any sort, whether they are
buses or cars. I am absolutely in support of the LRT proposal, but would like to ensure that this project proceeds
carefully, taking into consideration the scale of the streetscape along Lakshore Blvd. I do want to see a desginated
line. Transit should ALWAYS be given priority over cars if we are to make any significant changes to our oil
consumption in this society. But I don't want to see houses or stores torn down in the interest of a designated line. I
would encourage the TTC to consider a designated line, using the same streetcars that are used downtown. I also
The dedicated streetcar lane from Brown's Line to Park Lawn would be a big mistake. I travel the Lakeshore by car
and sometimes by streetcar everyday at 6:00 and the volume of traffic is never large enough to cause a significant
delay. I can travel from Islington to Brown's Line at rush hour by car in 5-7 minutes which is satisfactory to me. When
I take the streetcar, it is longer because of the stops. There should be a better connection at Brown's Line to the
Mississauga buses.

A dedicated LRT east of Parklawn I would fully support and would use quite often to access the parks along the Lake,
Ontario Place, etc. There would be no negative impact on businesses, and it would be an improvement to the
I think the additional cost will be a significant disincentive to use and will impact on the success of the LRT.
If the proposed changes to TTC/LRT service result in increased retail business/employment to the area I fully support
the changes. Also if the changes result in an increase in home values in the area I would also fully support any
- an LRT along Lakeshore would create another barrier between the community and the lake

- existing street car service works fine and an LRT would only reduce the available service
The current streetcar line is the major transportation route through the Lakeshore community. Service is terrible -
irregular and at its best too infrequent to serve those who are dependent on transit. My son should not have to be at
the Superior stop by 825 to make sure he is at LCI by 9 p.m. It is really a 10-12 minute trip.

As for "downtown" - what does this mean? Yonge and Bloor is downtown, so is Union Station, and it's a long distance
in between.

I see no point to having a high-speed LRT running through the Lakeshore, and feel that it in fact will only construct
Hello,

Thank you for the opportunity to do this survey, which seems to be asking most of the right questions.

When I attended one of the info sessions, I asked one of the experts what the improved travel time for a trip on the
proposed LRT would be from Brown's Line to Park Lawn. He said 5 minutes.

5 minutes!! That would be a shocking waste of money, time and resources, and change the nature of the boulevard in
a negative way for very little return.

I suggested using buses instead. The expert said the line was going through no matter what, and the needs of cars to
make left hand turns, use both lanes etc, was a moot point, as they were old technology and this was the way of the
future.

There is not enough ridership on this corridor to justify this mammoth undertaking. There are a number of easier,
more sensible and far less expensive ways to improve the transit along Lakeshore and as a daily transit user I support
a solution that does NOT involve an LRT line.
The LRT proposal does not make sense for Lakeshore. Unfortunately the community is the subject of top down
planning and is having to fight for public input. The Queensway alternative should have been examined and all other
alternatives in accordance with proper rather than truncated environmental impact assessment.
I laugh at the notion and fear regarding the negative impacts on retail in the area. Can the retail in this area get any
I once (never again!) made the mistake of taking the streetcar from the Long Branch GO station to Yonge & Queen
thinking that surely it couldn't take more than an hour - 1 hr. 20 minutes is WAY too long. I currently take the GO
downtown, but would fully support the proposed LRT if I could be guaranteed the same level of service, or (this is
Could it be possible for the TTC to negotiate property on the existing GO/CP rail lands to develop a rapid transit line
alongside the GO Train with stops at the same intervals as the Bloor line? Long Branch, Kipling, Islington, Royal
York, Park Lawn, South Kingsway, Roncesville, Dufferin, Bathurst, Spadina, University, Union

Or, could commuters from GO Transit transfer to TTC trains at Long Branch... add more stops...

TTC takes over as soon as the trains cross into Toronto.

This would allow for the highest speed and most attractive option to commuters -- People want comfortable, high
speed trains that stop every 1.5-2 miles (not every block, and not every 5 or 6 miles) -- along with comfortable, well-
protected places to wait.

The LRT will still be slow if it has to obey stop lights and stops at every one. Further, especially if it has raised
platforms, the LRT will make the Lakeshore less friendly to pedestrians and retailers, not more so.

Thanks!
The survey does not take into account other reasons to be in the Lakeshore. My child goes to FJR, and is coming
from Jane and Dundas to get there. FJR is a regional arts centre, capable of attracting students from outside the
Lakeshore. Also, Humber College Campus is there.

In addition, the Humber Bay and Lakeshore itself is very difficult to access by TTC, which is a shame given what a
great part of our waterfront it is. The same applies to the area down at Kipling and the Lakeshore. I know the survey
I support the LRT project. As a Mimico resident, I enjoy a very urban lifestyle with the benefits of living near the lake.
The only drawback is the protracted commute downtown.

I believe the waterfront LRT is a perfect solution for rapid transit all along the busy east-west corridor. Residents from
Parkdale to Long Branch deserve more convenient service than traversing north to the overcrowded Bloor subway.

Careful implementation is needed to preserve the unique character of the lakefront villages, preserve pedestrian
access to both sides of the street and avoid the demolition or alteration of storefronts and building locations. The TTC
should consider running the same size and style of streetcar as is planned for the downtown.

The LRT will quickly become the most popular choice for commuters who are now forced to use less than optimal
modes of transport. It will also encourage the rest of Toronto to come explore the western lakefront, and support local
Improved service from downtown to Parklawn is key to encouraging transit use by Lakeshore residents. A dedicated
LRT through New Toronto would kill the commerical strip. Retain the Parklawn loop and have Lakeshore only
streetcars at rush hours. Make the Queensway an LRT route as that is the logical connection to Mississauga.
TTC needs to get competitive with GO in terms of service, comfort and convenience of travel

- TTC fees currently do not offer a strong enough of a value proposition for end user

- Current TTC service in the Lakeshore Village area needs improvement in the following areas: friendliness of
service, especially bus drivers; street-car service is very poor / slow during rush-hour periods and it impedes motor
traffic;

- I would definitely not be able to justify a one-way TTC fare of almost $5 for downtown service when the GO round
Eastbound streetcar service (501,508) from Lakeshore/Islington departing at about 7:30am is reliable (although too
slow and overcrowded) but the westbound streetcar service (501,508) departing between 4:30pm and 5:00pm from
downtown is terrible. The schedule is very unreliable, the overcrowding is unbelievable, and the trip is very slow. I
have been consistently using this service to and from work for six years and this has been the nature of the service
throughout all of the time that I have been using it. I use public transit as a matter of environmental principle but if
Buses are dirty, noisy and smelly.

Until there are fully electric buses, they are NOT the answer.

Any clean, direct, fast, dedicated solution is fine with me and it MUST continue west past Park Lawn or it will be of
very little use to anyone outside of the condos on that strip.

We don't want people driving to get to transit, it must come to them.

With the deletion of the metro pass parking and the lack of dependable frequent busses from the subway to the
lakshore... my commute to work will increase an extra 45 min per trip. The Longbranch street car is not dependable
as it frequently gets short turned and is rarelt on time. If done right with the help of planing consultants interested in
maintaining a community feeling and enhancing urban fabric the proposed LRT system would fill the huge holes that
currently exist in transportation for the lakeshore community. The additon of the LRT would promote Density which
Rider volumes on Lakeshore are quite low. Improved service may bring additional riders. Most major cities have
train/subway services. The Go Line right of way is ideal for this type of service. Removing bike lanes is not progress.
The TTC has stated many times that they don't want more riders as they will loose even more money!
I believe this LRT line would be a very negative impact on existing business and residence who wish to shop within
their community.

It will sterilize the community and we'd end up like most of Mississauga- a community of eat and sleep, but work and
recreationalize outside their own community. Sterile drones who only know the neighbours as people they see getting
in and out of their cars, or out cutting the grass- not as friends and community.

I actually believe it is a complete waste of the new funding available from government which is designed to help
stimulate the economy. Sure it will create some short term jobs and were then left with a white elephant all for the
sake of spending your portion of a hand out.
Improving transit infrastructure from Longbranch to the downtown core, will be a positive development for the area.
However adding more load to existing infrastructure is a mistake. We need a NEW rapid rail system either above or
underground from the mississauga border to the downtown core. There also needs to be a LARGE parking facility
considered for this. If you want people to get out of there cars, you need to give an opportunity to park safely without
I think the time has passed for Street Car service in Toronto other than downtown for tourists and historical value. If
one street car breaks down the other street cars cannot go around causing major delays for regular customers trying
to get to work, appointments, school, etc. With the explosion of population, they are not a viable form of
transportation. Animals being taken to market are transported in less crowded conditions than people on the street
cars on the Lakeshore Blvd. Designated lanes will only cause huge traffic problems for left turning vehicles and thus
the street cars. The Toronto City Police have servious duties to perform, problems to solve and should not be
expected to give out tickets to the hundreds of left turning problems this designed left turn intersections will cause, or
Express Bus being extra cost option and being only part of a trip is absolutely unattractive to Metropass holders. The
best option would be LRT from Long Branch to downtown.

Two of the biggest problems with TTC streetcars are:

1) Drivers "running away" from passengers who just got off the bus and are running towards the streetcar.

2) "piling up" of streetcars in Long Branch loop and then moving in a row of 2-4 streetcars instead of departing at
regular intervals. Sometimes one has to wait 20-30 minutes and then come several eastbound streetcars in a row.
This is quite often the case between Long Branch loop and Kipling.
I think we have a terrific streetcar that I love and want to take regularly. What I don't enjoy and is why I don't do it at
all in the winter and infreguently in the spring/summer, is the possiblitily of no seat on the way downtonw, coming back
I get on Brown's line to have it change to Humber part way through and be stuck at Humber, I only take the GO back if
I take the transit downtown. The GO you have to be at by 7 to get parking unless you buy it monthly. I cannot make it
there for 7 due to younger child I have to get off to school etc. They should just make the existing system better, let
me connect to GO, and not have to buy a montly pass to do it. The millions they are going to use to make the LRT
The LRT is a ridiculous proposal for Mimico, New Toronto and Long BRanch.

There is no justification for this service based on future population projections.

Putting the proposal in will destroy our neighbourhoods in contradiction of the Official Plan to preserve and protect
established neighbourhoods.

The proposal also defeats the purpose of the concept of the New Urbanism, where people live work and shop in the
same community.

We need jobs only - no more housing in the Lakeshore to help return the communities to what they once were.
Making travel downtown slightly faster does not help our communities.
I would just like to add that any upcoming changes should really include an increase of bike lanes along the shore.
Especially linking the waterfront trail thru Mimico.

One possibility for the village areas is to include space for a bike trial along side the LRT. This way it won't be
rendered virtually useless by street parking.

Having said that given the state of the environment I don't think either increased bikes or LRT's should be jeopardised
in order to save street parking. I think the future focused needs to be on disensentives to use our cars and incentives
not to.

I take the GO Train as it is a quicker ride into the downtown core. The one problem with the GO Train stations in our
area (Mimico) is that there is really no parking.
My use of the TTC is limited because I do not work in downtown Toronto however, my children are looking forward to
attending University downtown and an improved transit system would be extremely important to them. The streetcars
on Lakeshore Blvd can cause traffic jams when they breakdown and at stops where there is no dedicated platform for
the passengers. Maybe trolley buses would be a better alternative. The Lakeshore area needs to be revitalized with
I have to turn south onto Lake Crescent to get to our house. It's a long way to Royal York to make a U turn so that I
can get home. This explains all the new street lights that were added to the lakeshore last year. I'm also at a 26m
right of way point. I'd like to see more info on how you will solve that problem.
Existing streetcar service for Lakeshore West is very poor. It takes up to 25 minutes for a streetcar to arrive, and it
takes a further 40-60 minutes to get downtown. As a result, I often drive to the GO station and plan my schedule
around the GO train schedule.

Something needs to be done to improve service. The status quo is not acceptable. While the proposed LRT within a
Big concern is that illimination of Lakeshore parking will increase transient parking on neighbourhood streets where we
already have a hard time getting parking for residents. It will also increase traffic on local streets -1)looking for
parking 2)looking for access to left turns onto the Lakeshore 3)more non-residents walking through feeder streets
increasing possiblility of crimes like theft, vandalism and loud noise late at night.

Lakeshore businesses are finally improving to the point that I shop in my own neighbourhood. Limiting parking will
hsve a very negative impact on #s of pedestrian shoppers, thus increasing risk of business failures. My neighbours
own those businesses. If their businesses go down, they lose their homes too. Many cyclists use the Lakeshore to
keep me posted
If you could expand parking facilities at both Kipling Subway (free parking) and LongBranch GO Station, so that
people know they are virtually guaranteed parking and not have TTC total $ with parking cost more than parking
downtown, I believe the Kipling Subway/Long Branch GO would be used by a much greater number of people. Faster
What is not talked about enough is cost. My wife and I work downtown, and would take the TTC if it could get us to
and from work in a reliable time frame. My average time on electric bicycle is 25min from from 3rd st to Bathrust and
back, due to the lakeshore bike path. Average time by TTC is 70min. I might take the TTC when I cannot take the
bicycle, if it was fast enough, but right now I gladly pay $10 a day to park downtown plus Fuel, rather than taking the
I never bothered looking into the details of this plan - assuming that increased transit was always to the good. Now
that I'm more aware, I can't believe that the retail along the Lakeshore is at risk. Those businesses (even though so
many storefronts are currently empty) are a major contributor to the sense of uniqueness and community that makes
this area a hidden gem in the city of Toronto. Those of us who live here would have our community negatively
impacted for a project that would primarily benefit commuters to downtown.I've lived here over 25 years and cannot
Anything which makes it easier to get around the city via public transit is a plus. I drive to work now, I would love to
take public transit. The 504 Queen street car is very slow, and unreliable. I'd love for my son (who is ow 8) to grow
up using public transit to go all over the city. Strengthen the neighbourhood facilities, and you strengthen retail in the
neighbourhood. Put in good pubic transit and businesses will come here because commercial real estate is still
cheap.

To Who It May Concern

We all oppose the two-lane LRT propsal on Lakeshore Blvd,it is a wasted money plan, and is a solution looking for a
What about connecting TTC and Mississauga Transit????...It's due!
I think we should abandon the streetcars along the Lakeshore....too many accidents. with all the condo developments
too many people are charging across traffic lanes. buses would be safer...perhaps not so environmentally perfect but
better for safety. I also think that the whole retail environment along Lakeshore west needs to improve. Putting in an
Lakeshore Businesses severely disrupted twice when streetcar rails were dug up

Lakeshore Businesses negatively impacted by Sherway Mall

proposed LRT will kill them for good.

The successful Shop the Shore encouraging locals to shop locally would be redundant

City promotion of bicycles and pedestrianism would be negated.

The LRT foisted on St Clair Ave created far more problems than solved.

The proposed LRT will make navigating Lake Shore Blvd. a nightmare for senior.

Auto surface routes are clogged with Mississauga cars, not Lakeshore cars.
Since the loss of blue-collar industry in the area, local business in New Toronto/Lakeshore Village/Mimico and
surrounding areas has struggled. The BIAs and local residents are currently working diligently to revitalize these
areas. Cutting a swath through prime retail thoroughfares and dramatically reducing parking will serve as a HUGE
deterrent to all these efforts.

I really think we need a dedicated and frequent Lakeshore streetcar again. The local service is very poor at times.
Save some money here by not going LRT except for newer vehicles. Spend it on the LRT from Parklawn. Make the
Good day. I do not support a dedicated LRT in Etobicoke Lakeshore. Take a look at the dedicated streetcar line on
St. Clair. It has had a very negative impact on business and traffic in the area. To me, the dedicated LRT is just
another pawn in the war on the car by Mayor David Miller. If city councils had really cared about reducing the use of
the car in this city, the Subway would be covering almost the whole city reducing bus trips to no more than 30
minutes. That would be a transit system that works. That would be transit system I would use daily.

We need to embrace a pedestrian community first. Stores and public spaces should invite residents our into the
neighborhood were we feel safe to mingle, shop and eat. If we are to loose traffic lanes it should be in favour of wider
sidewalks were cafes and restaurants can put seating out for their clients. more trees should be planted and police
foot patrols should keep the shady characters off our streets. LRT as a pass through will not encourage the above.
Ths survey has been helpful and rethink my support for this development. Although it remains a positive one, it
appears the LRT is lacking the integration with the urban development leaving me to question(i.e. pedestrian crossing,
other vehicular traffic, business impacts, streetscape). Perhaps there is a long term plan to achieve a positive impact,
but certainly adding more buses or street cars seems to defeat the purpose of having a LRT. Express buses from
Park Lawn help those living in the new condo developments. The LRT with a main station at Park Lawn can replace
that idea. The LRT was suppose to reduce congestion and improve commutership between west end to downtown
While I support the TTC's and Mayor Miller's intentions to improve public transit, this is a definitely a location where a
solution needs to be neighbourhood-driven. In this case, the LRT solution will create far more problems than it will
solve, which is simply a lack of rush hour service frequency. The local businesses and residents are working valiantly
to return Lake Shore Blvd W. to its previous status as a destination for local shopping and interaction. The LRT will
tear this in half, taking out many businesses in the process.

The LRT route in the Lakeshore will mimic the GO Train route - we need more trains and better parking at the
stations, which would be much more cost-effective. Additional streetcars or express buses during rush hours will also
help. Please don't force us to accept a system that will damage our streetscape and make life more difficult for those
When considering the improvement of the Lakeshore - downtown transit line, please look into the manner in which
these vehicles behave while in transit. By this I mean the scheduling or travel patterns. I have noticed that very often
we have enough vehicles on route but their spacing is poor resulting in 3-4 streetcars backed up - all going in the
same direction and barely filled. The first goes at a regular speed while the rest are artificially slowing down to
accommodate adequate space between the vehicles. So sucks to be you if you got on the last one not realizing you
will now be on the streetcar for two hours when it normally takes 45 minutes, just because the TTC needs to FIX their
error of poor timing. It seems that no matter what the issue the passenger always seems to pay the price. Just try
What is the benefit of an LRT? not much as far as I can see. It will impede traffic flow on the Lakeshore St. Clair was
a bad idea lakeshore will suffer as well dedicated lanes prevent business growth. Make faster more frequent ttc Street
car service so cars can also park and freely travel too waiting 15 minutes for the next streetcar is unacceptable.I do
take the gotrain because it is fast to get to union station when going to work. If you do go with light rail don't go with
the vehicle you showed as a proportotype @ dundas square it must be able to work on our steetcar curved lanes and
be safe the prototype is not safe and won't work on our roads.fast and frequent safe transit is what we want that is
after rush hour, streetcar service west of the humber loop is every 1/2 hour. if one of the derelict streetcars that is
scheduled to travel west of the humber loop, happens to go out of service, as happens too often, the wait can be as
much as 1 hour provided that the streetcars are able to keep on schedule, which is too frequently the case. i have
stood at humber loop in early morning with young women for more than an hour waiting for a streetcar. this would
never happen in the eastend. unless and until the service is improved, councillor grimes home phone number should
be posted (is giambrone old enough to have a drivers licence?) at the humber loop so that young women who are left
stranded at night, by the oftimes inept longbranch streetcar service, in such an isolated place, can call grimes for a
ride.....
There are so many negative impacts to this proposal that I am surprised that it is being seriously considered.

Streetcar users get ALL the benefits (assuming that the service is faster, more relaible in all waether conditions, etc..).
Who loses? Car and truck drivers (as usual), bicyclers, and not least the many businesses all along the Mimico/New
Toronto strip.

Let's face it: Streetcars and cars just cannot co-exist, buses and cars can co-exist, and subways are best of all (but
obviously we will never see much subway activity happening).

If I were running the TTC, I would greatly expand bus service and get rid of streetcars entirely.

Thanks for listening.

let's not miss the opportunity for dedicated bike lanes.

a generally green landscaping scheme would be nice!

some of the presently one way streets should be revised to accommodate the decrease of access points.with the
dramatic increase of children in the neighbourhood, a stroller freindly streetcar would be nice.
Hi

I travel the streetcar daily to UHN. I am a nurse and I always get to work on time and always have a seat.
Express bus service would be more positive for this area. Parking on the side streets is at a premium during the day
and will only get worse. I have a permit and can rarely park during the day as people who work here also park here.
Lakeshore has changed very little in the last twenty years, accept for the many dollar stores and cash stores. To take
away some of the older established stores would be a crime in the name of the TTC expansion. We may need better
with regards to commuter options, I would like to propose another alternative to the LRT other than those mentioned
above - of additional parking availability at the local Long Branch and Mimico GO train stations -or more streetcar/bus
service to and from these stations from main intersections such as Kipling , 30th, Islington etc... but I for one would
continue to use and recommend the GO Train service IF there was consistent and inexpensive and reliable parking
What will happen with garbage removal from apartments and businesses along Lake Shore Blvd.?

The laneways behind the retail sector on lake Shore Blvd. have been deemed too narrow for the Turtle Island trucks
to pass.

If Lake Shore Blvd. is reduced to one lane east and one lane west those lanes would be perpetually blocked due to
garbage trucks removing trash.

Most businesses receive deliveries of goods via the front entrance of their establishment on Lake Shore Blvd. so the
lanes would be blocked every time this happens as well.
If we really need a development then it s an good idea or else it will not improve anything big.Beause we already have
enough street cars and the road is good so many people who will go to dow town they use lakshore,so they atleast will
notice the businesses in the area.If we make that dedicated lrt lane people will not prefer to use lakeshore to go to
downtown because of the traffic conjuction
Have concerns about dedicated lanes for the proposed LRT service in particular between Park Lawn and up to just
past Kipling. This would have a negative impact on Mimico and New Toronto by turning the fairly narrow Lakeshore
Blvd. West sections through these two areas into solid traffic barriers. LBW is wider through Long Branch and could
I think negative aspects of the LRT far outweigh the positives. It is only expected to improve transit time by 4-6
minutes, which is not worth the financial burden and the number of local business that will be destroyed in the
process, both by taking the land and also the subsequent inaccessibility. Environmentally, the construction of the LRT
will have huge negative impacts by affecting green space and the waste associated with the construction. The Lake
Shore area is already ridiculously congested due to poor urban planning and building all of the condos, to take away a
traffic lane will lead to further congestion and inaccessibility.

We strongly feel that more focus should be placed on improving the direct access to downtown via GO transit, rather
than adding more streetcars/LRT and using road space. The GO is FAR faster than any TTC access to the west end,
no traffic, traffic lights, or pedestrian issues, but the service is so infrequent that it is not practical for anyone working
outside typical office hours. I work evenings and weekends downtown and have to drive because GO or TTC cost me
Basically when all is said and done it would be great if New Toronto could be made into a destination spot. How we
get there I am not quite sure. Improved transportation would be one way - but that lends itself to a "if they come they
will build it mentality." Taking away a lane and parking spots will probably only hurt local businesses - so doubt that
lends itself to the "they will build it" idea.

I can say that I was a TTC rider, and got so frustrated by being stranded at the Humber Loop (a scary place when you
are alone!), waiting over an hour for a Long Branch streetcar come to (even though the schedule says every 20mins),
I have changed loyalty to the GO Train - where I get a seat, people are polite and for the most part they depart and
I think an LRT service between Brown's Line and downtown is a good idea, but if an extra fare in addition to the TTC
fare has to be paid to use an Express Bus Service, this will be too expensive for many people.
I love the dedicated streetcar line on Spadina. It is now likely the most reliable and quick streetcar line in the city. It
has only brought more people to shop on Spadina.

I fully support the LRT on Lakeshore as a replacement to the ill-timed and slow streetcars that have to deal with cars
turning left and too many stops.
The touted advantages of LRT between Parklawn and Brown's Line are completely insignificant compared to the
enormous negative impact. Retail business will suffer from reduced access and parking. EVERY local car user and
their passengers will be negatively affected by traffic jams, inability to make left turns,reduced access to Lakeshore
retail parking and loss of time and increased fuel consumption. Bicycle riding will be more dangerous along Lakeshore
Blvd. The construction period will be a nightmare for years. All this for what? So some bright spark(s) who don't live
in our area can pursue some peronal vanity project at great public expense. We ALREADY have a dedicated rail line
that runs parallel to Lakeshore Blvd. with a station at Longbranch and one in Mimico with fast connections to
My concern is that in increasing access to downtown that we will be limiting opportunities for community development
on the Lakeshore itself by cutting off access to cross the street or park along the road to access local businesses.

Since many cyclists seem to think that the sidewalk is the appropriate place to ride (and there remains absolutely no
enforcement of the by-law despite the danger to pedestrians), cycling may not be hit as hard.

Less parking on Lakeshore will result in more cars on the sidestreets. Thought will have to be given to limiting how
long cars can park so that they are encouraged to take advantage of Green Ps.
I fully and strongly support the implementation of the LRT in my community. While during the construction phase it
will be a nuisance, the end result is very positive. As a metropass holder, I will be more likely to use the TTC along
Lakeshore during the weekends/evenings if I have safe, reliable and efficient service. I expect it will attract better
businesses to the Lakeshore. If some of the more questionable establishments go under, good riddance!
The lrt sounds like bad idea, my biggest investment will be compromised when i live on the wrong side of the tracks.
please dont let this go through.
Would like to see express service begin further west rather than Parklawn as I may not use the service if it starts
there. There are many homes and regular commuters from Longbranch going east. Please consider extending
starting point at least to Royal York or Islington so it can meet up with other major transit lines.
I am absolutely opposed to the plans for the dedicated lane LRT, as they stand. Benefits would be negligible, and
drawbacks would range from considerable to disastrous.
It seems like mere minutes since the tracks were torn up and business was disrupted--I am only now starting to build it
up again. If this goes through I will close my business and move to the Junction--an area with similar problems but
with better representation and as a result a budding future. I am not the only business owner who is sick of fighting an
uphill battle. (Taxes anyone?--This is what the councillor should be working on. I guarantee the Starbucks and organic
markets that we all want would come in droves if the outrageous taxes we business holders have to deal with would
I personally think the Lakeshore community between Parklawn and Brown's Line could really benefit from more bike
lanes, particularly along Lakeshore Blvd. where the shops, vendors, retailers and other merchants are.
I would have thought that it would be of some interest to enquire about frequency of travel outwith the rush hour times
you have listed. There are many people who do not travel during the rush hours periods.

Thank you for the survey and the opportunity to comment.

The 123 Shorncliffe wastes time always stopping at sherway gardens, this would cut 7 minutes off the 23 minute time
from the long branch loop to kipling. Consider it.

What about express busses to the subway stations?

What about express subway trains like in New York?

Overall I support the transition of the Lakeshore streetcar to LRT as it generally improves transit and the streetscape,
as well as the general neighborhood. I have concerns about how cycling will be integrated, but I have NO concerns
about losing the far too generous on street parking we currently have nor am I concerned about losing a lane of traffic.
As a 25 year resident of the Lakeshore community,a home owner,who grew up in the area. I oppose this dedicated
LRT concept utterly. The negative impacts so out-way the positives that this current proposal is beyond ridiculous!
This is a classic example of loss of common sense. This concept is Nightmareish in the extreme. The transit system
between Park Lawn and Brownsline is not broken-so don't try to fix it. The major problems on this line are at the
Humber Loop. All this Line requires are a few extra Streetcars spread out during the day, or perhaps the removal of
the rail vehicles with substitution to Busses. I have close friends in the StClair area and they detest and abhore what it
has become with the right of way.My neighbours and business associates in this area are prepared to fight this
Any proposal that might cause the removal of retail space will take out the heart of the community and is not needed!
All we really need is a frequent looped bus or streetcar to connect Brown's Line with Roncesvalles and then the option
to transfer to an LRT east along the rail corridor from there to speed up access to downtown. More buses to the
subway up Islington, Royal York and Kipling would also be useful. The problem is operational mot infrastructural and
This area is struggling and just starting to turn around. The implementation of an LRT between Park Lawn and
Brown's Line will strangle this neighbourhood. Why would I want to live here if the construction involves removal of
buildings and businesses that I walk to, rely on and use? What is my quality of life if the dry cleaner in my
neighbourhood disappears, the hairdresser, the drug store, the book store, my dentist, my bank? Am I supposed to go
downtown for these things? If such is the case, I might as well be living in Richmond Hill where I have to get in my
car to drive to the corner store.

I ask myself: would similar revisions be attempted in The Beach? Or just in middle & lower income neighbourhoods
An LRT in the Lakeshore area will further negatively impact on the retail and private usage of roads and businesses in
the area.

I don't believe we have the ridership west of Legion Road/Parklawn, and the fact that it will only be picking up 180
degrees of passengers since the lake is on the south side of Lake Shore Road, to warrant the amount of money
required to put throught the LRT. In addition the lakeshore is already boundaried on the noth with the Go Train tracks
and the Gardiner Expressway, and the LRT will be another boundary where south Etobicoke residents will be blocked
off from the lake. The amount of businesses that would have to be expropriated on the north side will reduce the
business/commercial development of our community. Please re-think this complicated and destructive process.
Along with the vast majority of my Lakeshore neighbours, I am strongly opposed to a dedicated LRT line along
Lakeshore Blvd. It offers little or no advantage to the community while having numerous negative effects . It is also
redundant as we already have GO trains making the same trip far more efficiently. If the goal is to increase use of
public transit, there are many alternatives to wasting millions of our tax dollars on a very unpopular project which will
disrupt our community both in the short and long term. A better alternative would be to provide regular bus service
from Lakeshore to GO stations and to increase the parking spaces at these stations along with offering free transfers
I realize that the businesses on the Lakeshore have some concerns about their parking. To enable this proposal to
really work and benefit our community,keep it vibrant and have great transportaion, the LRT line MUST go below
ground (like subway)from 1st St. to 13th St. This could also be a consideration in Mimico area. Unfortunately,Long
Branch is an wide area and the shops are too sparse and spread out to really ever acheive a vibrant village
atmosphere. Shopping is spread over too much area. It should be concentrated in hubs. Parking could be perhaps
accomodated by P Parking lots in this area.

I beleive this is the only solution that could re-invigorate this part of Etobicoke. We have so much potential here, let's
not be hasty and do it right, to support our businesses and our need for good transportation. If both of these aspects
While I support this project in general I have some reservations

It should be last on the priority list for Transit City. Thus the 2015 completion date suggested seems dubious to me.

Current traffic volumes don't require left turn lanes plus two other lanes at signalized intersections.

In the future we need the extra lanes if there is new developments. Hoever the new buildings could be designed with a
different setback to create the space at the intersections.

How would the proposed turning limits work in Long Branch? The Streets don't meet up!
Existing service Eastbound from Royal York to downtown Toronto is satisfactory, even during rush hour. Westbound
from University is extremely frustrating due in large part ot short turning cars, under capacity of cars.
This would be an excellent opportunity to connect Lakeshore west with the bike path.
if this plan (LRt)will go through i will lose my business and my employees will lose their jobs
LRT strikes me as being short sighted ... why not make the longterm investment of a subway? Yes it costs more, but
the longterm benefits are many and significant.

Have you really looked into what causes actual streetcar delays? I would say it is not as often traffic as it is the
streetcars themselves.

Also the current response to streetcars stacking up is to slow down the ones in the back of the line. The response
should be speeding up the ones at the front of the line. These streetcars could bypass some of the stops and thereby
Within a 2 km wide strip of land between the lake and the Queensway, South Etobicoke has 2 Major East-West
arterial routes, The Queensway and Lakeshore, the Queen Elizabeth Gardner Expressway Combo, The GO train, The
streetcar and the Bloor Danforth Subway system only 5 km to the north.

We are saturated, further fracturing of our neighbourhoods by additional barriers to North South flow will be greatly
detrimental

The city, province and CN can create a seamless, affordable transit system from the infrastructure we already have in
place.
Doesn t paying for parking hurt our local business enough?, do we have to further hurt them by reducing the amount
of parking that now exists, as well as making traffic worse? A dedicated lane would be fine if there were still 2 traffic
lanes in each direction. Pollution and global warming are huge factors in our near future and 1 less lane will cause
more back logs at streetlights which means more cars sitting idling for long periods of time.
Lakeshore is busy enough between Brown's Line and Park Lawn. If streetcar transportation was improved we wouldn't
havi this proposal on the table. We don't need less traffic space with left turns being impaired. This sounds like a
make work project and not very well thought out.

I feel as though this will have more of a negative impact on this section of Lakeshore. Businesses are moving out of
I am shocked that anyone would even consider an LRT. After all the meetings and studies about improving the
streetscape along Lakeshore, attracting more people to live in the area and enhancing it as a neighbourhood/village,
this is completely contrary to that vision. It will make businesses along lakeshore less accessible, and therefore less
profitable. It will restrict access to some streets and cause more traffic on others, through the residential
neighbourhoods as people pick those roads where they can cross the LRT line to get to side streets. We have lots of
young children and elderly folks, and this poses serious risk and will reduce the value of homes. It will make the
lakefront much less accessible to people living on the north side of Lakeshore. The cost to put in an LRT is huge and
I don´t want my community to be turned into a transportation corridor with the only benefit and goal being the rapid
transport of people out of the community. I want a liveable,walkable community, street parking to support a diversity
of retail spaces, and a gradual improvement of the existing streetscape, not a demolition of 100 years of history.

The LRT as proposed will be the final nail in the coffin of Lakeshore village.
I think the city and the TTC will be making a great mistake with this proposal as they did with ST Clair LRT service. I
use to go to ST Clair but do not anymore as there is no sense of community along that stretch. The Streetcar Right of
Way separates the Street into a South and North boundry and most people like myself have found it difficult and did
not want to make the effort to cross the road. With traffic congestion and parking now minimized the area has lost my
family as visitors. I don't want my community taken over by the TTC I like the way Lakeshore is now shared by all
means of transportation:walking, biking, auto, and Transit. Dedicate lanes for Public Transit during rush hour like we
do on other routes for Buses, Taxis and Vehicles transporting a min of 3 people. Could help transit problem and it
Forget LRT, get our bussiness taxes lowered and then you will see the wonderful new shops--keep our community a
community and let Mayor Miller push this down some other communities throats--why not on queensway?
Let's iron out WWLRT design issues and get the WWLRT built. A Transit City route through Ward 6, and the
consequent revitalization of the Lake Shore strip, is what's required to attract new residents to Ward 6. While there are
a number of people who say that they want to keep the "old lakeshore community", the problem is that a lot of the
original owners of the small houses in the Ward are now retired and the population is turning over. With our location
close to the lake and local shopping that doesn't need a car to access, there is a great opportunity to attract young
families who are not interested in the typical suburban big-house-long-drive-commute lifestyle. These are the people
who are making Roncesvalles, Leslieville, St. Clair W., and the Junction revitalization success stories. The WWLRT
It's been a long time in coming for improved ttc service
Why not use Birmingham as an alternative? Seems less disruptive yet still very convenient.

Though not part of TTC, more parking at Mimico GO would reduce congestion as many people will just drive
downtown if they need to park later than a certain time in the morning as parking spots are virtually impossible to
access

Please do not disrupt the current businesses - with the exception of a few that are more than welcome to leave, many
are struggling as it is and the reduced parking and access will be crippling

Sharing a streetcar track seems impractical as those same tracks get blocked often and therefore would not make
service any quicker.
If the LRT must be implemented for the Lakeshore, east of Parklawn, please do not make it a dedicated lane but
rather only islands for the convenience of passengers(as currently exist in the Long Branch area.)

Please do not implement a plan that does not allow for bike lanes to be developed or maintained- pedestrian traffic
and non-motor vehicle transportation are just as important for the Lakeshore and the environment in general.
I understand that things change and we need to be open to inprovements. However,the lack of notification to residents
and the bullying agenda of our "green" mayor are very disturbing.
I am in favour of improving streetcar frequency and I am not in favour of short-turning streetcars. Getting let off at
Roncesvalles or the Humber Loop is extremely annoying.

I also believe that streetcars give a character to Toronto that is unique and worth preserving and that streetcars are
preferable to gas-fuelled buses in terms of environmental impact.
I am VEHEMENTLY AGAINST an LRT with a ROW on Lakeshore Boulevard. We don't want it here, period.

I am convinced the negative impacts that have occurred on St. Clair will happen here too. Snow pileups, EMS
problems, retailers vacating etc. People will fight this and it will be hand over fist, believe me. We will not let
provincial and city politicians dictate to the people of Toronto.

It's such a waste of money and there are so many cheaper and more effective solutions. Express buses or just a more
frequent streetcar would solve the problem and decrease the ride time by more than the proposed 6 minutes.

Also, I will always have a car and do not intend on using the TTC to go to Sherway, to go up the 427 or to go across
the 407. I will not go grocery shopping without my car when I have to lug 6 bags full. I will not bring my 3 year-old
A dedicated street car to Park Lawn in 36. above is OK if it does not involve it's own right of way.
The planned LRT will ruin the retailers in the area which has been undergoing a revitalization and I fear this new line
will not only ruin those folks during construction but the limitation on parking and ability to cross the line will add
addtional complications that will make the success of retail enterprises unlikely.

The traffic that will result on neighboring streets will cause serious noise and safety concerns for a neighborhoods
families and seniors. You only have to look at the St. Clair experiment and talk to those affected to see that the
impact is mostly negative rather than positive.

The TTC should first consider completing the extension of the Yonge Line and joining it to the Spadina line along
HWY 7, extending the Bloor line to Mississauga City Centre and using the Go line to connnect to the airport with a
I can't believe that Mark Grimes would even think of supporting this. I've heard and read that he is really into business
development on the Lakeshore and just as it's finally getting better with some good restaurants opening up, he is not
just squashing this whole idea. Who in there right mind would open a business here, knowing what happened on St.
Clair. I feel bad for those people that have invested their life savings plus alot more to put some nice places here and
If the LRT eliminates businesses, causes other businesses to locate elsewhere, congests traffic, reduces available
parking and reduces pedestrian access and green space, you're simply ruining the potential for economic growth in
this area, plus consumer spending for the remaining businesses.

There are tons of schools in the area which translates into many kids who all want to cross at various and many points
along Lakeshore. There are also a high percentage of households with dogs: those people want the green space for
their pets and again, the option of multiple intersections at which to cross.

Having an LRT in the Lakeshore in South Etobicoke is just a nightmare that will lead to nothing but headaches for
everyone involved and affected.

As a full-time commuter on the Lakeshore line, I feel that streetcars that run on schedule and are not bunched up with
a potentially long wating period inbetween could be one solution. Another solution is to put buses on Lakeshore. That
way, the transit service would not be dictated by any traffic accidents or concerns.
It takes too long to get downtown on the streetcar from the Lakeshore. It also takes far too long to come home in rush
hour. Average commute from Queen/Bay to Lakeshore/Kipling is over an hour and fifteen minutes. This can increase
depending on wait times. Why are there so many McCaul streetcars heading west from downtown in prime rush hour?
Every third car is a Longbranch. The rest are Humber cars and often dump everyone at Roncesvalles for short turn.
And Long Branch cars sometimes turn into Kipling cars once past the Humber Loop. Discouraging to those poor
people going to Long Branch! Whenever streetcar service is halted due to track repairs, I notice how much faster the
bus goes!

I've lived on the Lakeshore since 1981. I movwed to the Beaches a couple years ago, and ended up moving right
back to the Lakeshore, due to a feeling of utter claustrophobia, and the fact that I missed the wide openness of the
Lakeshore. Put in a dedicated LRT lane and we'll lose that open feeling and I might as well be back in the crowded
Beaches...thanks but no thanks. Leave leave the Laskehore alone, at least West of ParkLawn. if the condo owners
there want, fine..just so long as it doesn't encroach further west than Park Lawn. A dedicated LRT lane will ensure
that the Lakeshore will become as congested as the Beaches. While we may like being called 'Beches West', we'll do
I live on the Lakeshore/Kipling and work near Union Stn. While the area is well represented by the GO and TTC
services neither is very practical for most people. The streetcar is very unreliable, almost daily 10-20minutes late, and
takes 1 hour + to reach downtown (when the car is less than 20min in bad traffic) The GO is fast but there is never
any parking after 7:30am- and service off-peak is every hour making the trip the same as the strtcar if you finish work
at the wrong time. If you take the streetcar to the GO stn- it is an additional $2.75 one way- plus the cost of the GO
ticket. Mississauga encourages GO use by giving a discount to transit with a valid GO ticket or pass(great idea) The
LRT is a good idea if it really serviced the area (not just an express train)and did not sacrifice the area. The proposed
I THINK LONG TERM THE LRT IS THE MOST POSITIVE INFLUENCE THIS AREA COULD ASK FOR, WE MAY
GET MORE DECENT RETAIL STORES ALONG THE LAKESHORE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO ELSEWHERE TO
Your survey is a little biased. You ask a lot of leading questions. I don't think you can say with certainty that cycling
and business would be affected. Also, just because I don't have the need to go downtown every day, doesn't indicate
a lack of support for improved public transit. I have a disability, so my mobility is already limited.

That said, I appreciate the opportunity to comment.

The express bus from Park Lawn is a good idea but the LRT as proposed would effectively destroy our community.
As a resident of Etobicoke-Lakeshore, I'm very excited about the proposal to create a modern, efficient, dedicated
LRT line in the neighborhood. While the construction process will be disruptive, this is a necessary upheaval that will
pay dividends for the community over the long term.

In order to encourage more participation in the consultation process, it would be helpful to give the LRT proposal
more attention on the front page of the community newspapers and to supplement this with a simple, low-budget, flyer
in the mailboxes of local residents and business people. Increased use of visuals will aid in engaging the public
imagination as well.

Lastly- Can the Transit City plan strategize a way of helping existing businesses make the transition? -Either by
compensation or a PR campaign to encourage residents to support their local businesses? Other ideas? This will be
the biggest hurdle for all proposed lines!
I bought a house right on Lake Shore, steps away from public transit. As a resident of Lakeshore Village, I am
satisfied with the quality and type of TTC service we have now. I chose this neighbourhood because it is pedestrian
friendly. I make full use of all the retail services which are available within easy walking distance. Putting the LRT
line along Lake Shore would truncate the neighborhood. The proposed LRT line would devalue my house, during the
construction, and after its completion.

Surely the City Planners are not supportive of disecting a perfectly healthy Toronto neighbourhood in favour of
creating a commuter route for another city's residents.

TTC bus that goes up Mimico ave. to Royal York (originally pegged to be temporary) should be relocated to base of
Superior - ie. with a turnaround in front of Valuemart.

Mimico Ave. is a residential area - the bus runs too late, is too noisy, smells and is a safety hazard to many children
that both live on the street and attend the schools at the top of the street.
Agree that alternative transit options ought to be explored for Lakeshore. For example, increased colloboration
between TTC and Go Train to decrease transit time from Lakeshore-Downtown especially during 'rush' hour.

Transit infrastructure currently exists, let's optimize the infrastructure whilst maintaining a sense of community in the
Lakeshore, saving tax payers money and securing the environment for future generations.
The loss of parking will be devastating to the local businesses of Mimico and Longbranch.

Fewer Pedestrian cross walks will take away from the community which is currently well on it's way on a successful
revitalization plan.

By not allowing cars to turn left at all intersections means those intersections that can, will now become main
intersections. Both, will see a negative impact.

Shortening the ride by 5minutes will do absolutely nothing to improve ridership. It will kill a community and increase
conjestion.
LRT west of Parklawn to Downtown makes sense, however, an LRT with dedicated lanes between Long Branch and
Parklawn is a major concern for our family and surrounding neighbours.

Walks along the Lakeshore would be made more dangerous. Without a safety gap (parking spaces), cars would be
very close to the sidewalks.

There would also be an increased amount of traffic on the side streets due to restricted turning lanes. No more street
hockey for the kids. Cars would be cutting through these narrow streets.

Ridership is not there.

The LRT would only save 11 min on a trip downtown. This is not significant enough to the existing service.

Access to the lake is very important to us. Dedicated lanes would severly impact this.

The area is up and coming. Businesses need parking spaces.

Focus on better access to the subway station and GO train (with increased trains on the GO).

Thanks for the survey,

I think the LRT east of Park Lawn is essential, west of it other improvements maybe enough to make transit okay in
this neighbourhood, such as greatly reduced left turn options for single occupant cars, green light preference devices
on all traffic lights and street cars, reduced on street parking in some areas with perhaps just one lane separated from
car traffic and dedicated streetcar lanes where ever they can be easily accomodated, the Long Branch strip starting at
13th St in New Toronto and the east end of Mimico for example, I don't think we should be punishing the massive
numbers of those of use who rely on transit so a few people in single occupant cars can park during rush hour without
having to resort to a Green P lot which are almost always near empty. Having some streetcars run only between
My daily commute to downtown; via the streetcar from Third Street to Queen & John Street is currently 45 minutes-75
minutes. It takes me 15 minutes by car.

I still use the TTC because I believe it is the "Better Way" environmentally, however, the commute time is ridiculous. I
could live outside the GTA and drive to work in the same amount of time it takes me on the TTC from Lakeshore
West. Something needs to be done. New Toronto needs better service.

I should not have to add two extra hours onto my work day to get downtown and back home!

It is frustrating to have to leave an hour and a half before my scheduled work time to ensure I am not late and will
arrive on time.

When the TTC service is improved there will be more riders. The current commute time is discouraging and not
practical for some who are then left with no choice but to use the car.

I am deeply disappointed that the 'plans' presented to us failed to convey the broad , long term vision behind the
initiative for city wide LRT system.

Your plan is widely perceived as a threat rather than a long term solution to very real problems.

I am extremely disappointed with Mark Grimes for telling the TTC to stay away from meetings that well intentioned
people attended in the hope of receiving concrete inormation that only the TTC could provide.

Very supportive of transit improvements in neighbourhood esp LRT. Fully support east of Parklawn designated lines -
west of Parklawn to Browns Line - somewhat support - mainly due to disruption of village atmosphere.
The residents of Bal Harbour that live directly on Lake Shore (7) are concered about the widening of the road. The
streetcar already passes within 20' of our homes at a very narrow curve in the road. Widening would mean loosing
the little frontage that we presently have and increasing the noise effects of transit cars. This would have a potentially
devestating affect on our real estate values.
I totally agree with improving service along the Lake Sore - streetcars either do not make it out to Long Branch
enough, or are too slow because of all the left hand turn lanes. The express bus, while a nice idea in principle, does
not take away from the fact that the streetcar service can, and does, require a lot of improvement. I would take the
LRT downtown if, and only if, it is fast and reliable.
I think the LRT has been very positive for Spadina, and will be very positive for St. Clair West (despite current
disturbances due to construction). In terms of bicycle lanes, the Martin Goodman Trail is a mere 4 blocks south of
Lakeshore and a much more beautiful ride, and Birmingham also has a designated bike lane and is again, a much
nicer ride.

My one hope
I strongly is that
believe the LRT ortrack
a dedicated whatever will
west of exist in its
Parklawn willplace
be a will
huge also promotetoathe
detriment sense of community in Etobicoke
community.

I would like to see an increase in the frequency of the Parklawn bus from the Old Mill station to Marine Parade Dr,
specially in winter. A LRT does those of us along Lake Shore east of Parklawn no good at all. It's WAY too far to walk.
There's a lot of us in the condos east of there. We seem to be left out.
Briefly.. an Lrt service or elevated tracks as on Queen's Quay and St. Clair Ave will create a disastrous traffic
congestion and virtually discourage any thru-Lakeshore traffic flow and will certainly be the final nail in an already
moribund Lakeshore Shopping District.

I could suggest a much cheaper way to destroy the area...why not just block the Lakeshore to thru-traffic in several
Since I only go downtown on weekends/evenings - my biggest challenge when I use the TTC is getting home! I prefer
to use the Streetcar line on Lakeside, but you can watch 5+ cars go by in downtown before you see one going all the
way back to Longbranch - which is the car I need. If I can't afford a possible hour wait for a car to get home (and that
LRT not necessary as TTC and GO service can simly be improved somewhat.
Anything that further depresses and disadvantges businesses on the Lakeshore is to be avoided at all costs. Even the
construction time will have a very negative effect on business areas that are struggling already. It is unlikely that a
commercial/shopping strip on the Lakeshore would survive dedicated lanes. This in turn will depress property values
and run counter to current environmental thinking (shopping close to home, etc.) It will discourage cycling on narrower
and more traffic-congested lanes, again running counter to current and future environmental needs. If the Lakeshore
strip were thriving already (like e.g. Bloor West or the Beach) it might survive but it isn't and it won't.

Surely someone can figure out the logistics of the current system so that it is more efficient. Semi-express buses to
the subway, for example, would mean that I and others I know would use TTC much more often. Similarly, organizing
I am very opposed to the LTR. We live in a neighbourhood, where we should be allowed to be neighbours andnot
whiz by them on the LRT. Keep this a small and vibrant community
I have read the letters from CCFEW and on the Our Lakeshore site, and it seems to me that my views have been
The time savings from the reports I have read don't justify the expense, the cost and the changes to the Lakeshore.

The money could be better spent on adding streetcars or improvements to scheduling.

Making our neighbourhood more accessible to downtown just adds to the list of great things about the Lakeshore
No one has explained to us why this LRT will be helpful in anyway to our community or business community. I
understand that the demographics of this area are not slated for any large increase. The building of the LRT will be
extremely disruptive to our business-no parking and limited access.

Surely something can be done with the Go Train corridor to improve downtown service? Until the Park Lawn to
Toronto "ride" has been improved I don't see how putting an LRT from Brown' Line to Park Lawn is going to make any
difference to rider satisfaction and ride times.

Why can't we spend the money on the down town lines and up to the airport where the service is so desperately
needed.
every effort should be made to support and allow safe travel to cyclists who use no non-renewable resources in
transportation

I live in the Lakeshore Area and commute by TTC everyday just past the humber loop stop. The most frustrating part
of commuting on this line for me is the high number of streetcars particularly at night short turn at the loop and it not
uncommon to wait up to 1/ hour for a streetcar that goes to Long Branch. This is particularly difficult in the cold winter
months. When the streetcar does arrive it is packed to standing room only.

Although I do not commute to downtown Toronto everyday, I see the value in a express service for the many new
In order to ensure a safe and happy lakeshore corridor, any streetcar design should also include dedicated separated
bike lanes from one end of lakeshore to the other.
I believe that this idea of the LRT is terrible! It will destroy our businesses on lakeshore, reduce the number of
crosswalks, reduce the number of streetcar stop, anihilate most left hand turns and it will ruin our neighbourhood just
like it did with St.Clair West! STOP THIS. it is unnecessary! all of these negative points just to save a few measely
Mark, I am a longbranch resident since 2003, and until last year I took a combination of TTC or GO train to get to my
job in town. I have to say that the problem always was parking. If I didn't drive to Kipling, the commute was too long.
The GO station has insufficient parking. I racked up many parking tickets, until it came to pass, what with TTC parking
costing $5 if available and GO parking almost always unavailable that I tried driving to my job at Yonge Eglinton.
Even with parking charges there it was cheaper, and easier, and faster to drive. No parking tickets. And I get sick less
This will be a disaster, just look at St. Clair.
Go Train parallels 500 yards north of lakeshore. Why duplicate an existing service.

Question to be asked is "What number of riders use the streetcar to commute between Park Lawn and Long Branch"

LTR should parallel Etobicoke Creek valley from Long Branch loop to Trillium Hospital, Sherway Gardens and Kipling
Concern re: businesses and impact on them. However, my end of Lakeshore is well overdue for new investment, and
if property values increase with better transit service, perhaps there will be legitimate and sustainable business
development. It is a shame there are so few grocery stores, or vegetable/fruit markets to walk to.
I fully support any improvements on service weather it be street cars or LRT.
Although the construction of creating dedicated LRT lanes would be disruptive in the short term, the long term benefits
of a more efficient transit system, better access to the Long Branch, New Toronto communities and its businesses far
out weigh any short term inconvenience. Such an investment in transit infrastructure is what is needed to aid in
revitalization of the area as a whole.
My husband and I have been non-drivers for nearly 7 years. We gave up our car freely in order to contribute less to
pollution and dependence on oil.

We bought a home in Mimico in September 2008 and have found ourselves inconvenienced more than expected by
the infrequency of the streetcar. We actually found ourselves considering buying a car! I am extremely opposed to
buying a car and hope that TTC and LRT will be installed to support the long term health and vitality of not only the
I am concerned that the local businesses are against this proposed new service because they feel it will be disruptive
during construction and will cause them to lose business once street parking is reduced permanently.

I will still patronize these shops, dispite the fact that I use my car frequently now.

I believe improved rapid transit is essential to economy of the city and improving the environment.

I heartily endorse the expansion, and would hearto;u endorse an expansion of light rail between parklawn and
downtown. I drive to town every day because the TTC trip between Roncessvaies and Downtown is very very slow.
I fully support better LRT service. Bottom line is that trips to downtown have to be close to 30 minutes from the Long
Branch Loop. Our area (Browns Line - Lakeshore) is poorly serviced. Trips to downtown by TTC take over an hour and
one often has to wait more than 15 minutes even at rush hour. The times on the schedule have no relation to when
the streetcar comes. The Go transit alternative is also very unsatisfactory as GO is usually late during rush hour.

I usually use my bicycle to go to work downtown. It should put both the TTC and GO Transit to absolute shame that it
is usually faster and always more reliable and dependable to travel the 18 kilometers from home to work by bicycle
than by either the TTC or GO Transit. Using public transit from the Long Branch area to go downtown is an exercise in
frustration.

I have been a resident in this area for a number of years. I enjoy taking walks along the Lakeshore almost everyday. I
would like to see the Lakeshore a more pedestrian friendly neighbourhood. After all it is a "BOULEVARD", why is it
now being considered to be diferent. I do support perhaps an express commute for east of Parklawn, but west of
Parklawn must be as it is , the Lakeshore Blvd area. Let us design it as it is called. The speed should be 40km,
perhaps a middle island with flowers and lights. Bicycle paths etc...........and of course cleaning the area of prostitutes,
drug dealers etc.......

Recently there has been a great effort from the police and I trust this will continue.

This is a BOULEVARD Mr. Grimes do not forget that. Once in a while walk the Lakeshore you may enjoy it.

Thank you.
Please don't allow the narrow self-interests of the vocal retail minority on the Lakeshore shape the future of our
community. The past examples of the Lakeshore BIA's actions (ex. glowing street lights, neglected planters, inaction
and tacit encouragement of local illicit activity etc.)is proof enough that the BIA is completely ineffective and in fact,
has done more harm than good for the long-term viability of our community. Given the Mimico residents' impressive
attendance to public meetings and information sessions, please give the residents' comments and thoughts the proper
TTC service needs to improve & I'm sick and tired of street car "bunching". We are often forced to take the car.

I would like to see improved GO service and possibly an LRT line - NOT like St. Clair or Spadina Avenues. The traffic
disruption and expense is not worth the cost. We've just been through a major street car line upgrade in the Browns
Line to Mimico area. Does this mean that this has to be dug up again?

Will an LRT line take congestion off Lakeshore Blvd? I think NOT. City planning has been an abomination with regard
to the developments going up at Lakeshore and Park Lawn. Traffic has slowed to a crawl and the construction
companies have destroyed the roads.

While an LTR line may improve commuting time for many, any project initiated must NOT diminish the ability of cars
to access the downtown core. Everyone heading into the downtown core does not have a 9-5 job. Some people have
There are two major issues for me as a regular transit rider.

1) The unreliability of service west of the Humber Loop on the Lakeshore line; waiting for a connecting car west is a
real drag.

I truly believe that proposing the LRT from Browns Line to the Humber loop is a waste of money. Traffic volumes
(cars) are very low. Probably level of service B (peak hours) possibly level of service C (worst case). Anyone who
travels downtown by car from Browns Line area will likely use the Gardener and connect to Lakeshore at Windermere
Ave. Actually it's the streetcar that slows the flow of traffic, not the volume of cars. No time will be saved for TTC
commuters.

Furthermore many people who live in the Lakeshore area with young children need to take their children to day-care
or schools before heading off to work, these people do not have time to hop on and off and walk to their day-care or
schools before heading off to work by using the TTC.
I have already sent an e-mail about this subject to the councillor. I think we need to accept TTC tickets/transfers at the
GO stations along lakeshore. The other service is to connect an express bus service to the subway at browns line.
I support the dedicated streetcar line along lakeshore and i do not believe it will be an issue to the community from my
point of view. Whatever it takes to provide fast, reliable and affordable transit alternatives for the city and in the
neighbourhood should override any silly concerns about retailers loss of business and loss of parking spaces. I was
using the 501 line for about 10 years when i was working downtown and lack of reliable service west of Humber loop
was always an issue. I am primarily a car user right now, but i still support loss of parking over reliable and fast transit
along lakeshore. I dont mind finding parking in the back of the building or few blocks away and walking to the store in
favour of getting as little as few cars off the road (and i am sure dedicated line will eliminate more cars than just a
I think that the proposed LRT line would have disastrous effects on our community. Vehicular traffic is heavy enough
now and will increase with the several condominiums which are now under construction on Lakeshore Blvd. Reducing
the current traffic lanes by 50% by the installation of an LRT is madness. Add to that the issue of only right turns from
any Lakeshore Blvd will obviously increase accidents and deaths. As another consequence, property values will also
be reduced.

It is obvious that an LRT would also severely damage existing businesses. This would be a shame as the Lakeshore
area has been making a major come-back. A simple, effective and much less costly approach would be to add GO
stations at Islington Avenue and at the Humber Loop and if necessary increase the frequency of trains. People could
I just wanted to add that I do not work downtown so really, the impact on my day to day life is not significant. I do
walk/run in the neighbourhood and would not enjoy fewer crosswalks. Parking etc., may become an issue for our
community when the new hockey arena opens and if the rumour of indoor soccer for the old arena turns out to be true.
This may also cause problems for traffic when these new facilities open. I would hate to the mess on St. Clair to
the worst part about the lakeshore towards browns line is all the angled parking. the sidewalks need to be widened to
encourage more pedestrian traffic. this could be easily accomplished if the angled parking was converted to parallel
parking. there would be more patio potential for the bars & restaurants in the area. I fully support the LRT dedicated
lane for streetcars to browns line. If you really want to stimulate the area consider eliminating the angled parking at
I don't believe the LRT is necessary along the Lakeshore. The proposed negative effects far outweigh any benefits. I
fully support improved transit and use the GO as much as possible. Tying into existing infrastructure such as the GO
or subway makes far more sense than tearing down the very areas we've been fighting to improve (our retail spaces
along Lakeshore and fostering a sense of community among the neighbourhoods). To me this feels like political
I don't take the TTC to work as it takes 3 times longer than driving. I work in Etobicoke and the transit, while
adequate, is inconvenient. As to streetcar improvements, I do support them, But, I don't feel that the traffic density
along Lakeshore Blvd. is high enough, even in rush hour, to need a dedicated lane.
we have enough traffic in this area without reducing lanes or negatively impacting on businesses. Residents of the
area who do not use public transit are tired of continuously having to pay for these updates via property taxes - if you
want to improve TTC, ridership should pay for it - increase the fares and let those people pay for all of this. On the
odd occassion the people who typically don't use TTC do use it, they will also pay the fare increases which will support
my household uses the ttc more often in the colder months as we drive our motorcylces downtown in the warm
months; the 10-19 per month usage is an avg over the year; i fully support a dedicated lane for LRT; i beleive the
impact to be positive not only on future sales of homes, but for business in turn;
Since I haven't attended any meetings and don't have enough information to really voice my opinion, I don't want to
get caught up in the negativity of my neighbourhood opinions.

Most of my neighbours do not take the TTC and therefore only see the negative side of the proposed dedicated line.
Some of us that will use it on occasion find it will improve service and not necessarily have a negative impact on local
business and their parking, traffic congestion/lack of left turn lanes and bike lanes.

I look forward to hearing more about the process and progress.

Again, most of the focus is on the area EAST of Kipling. Do the people west of that not matter as much?? As
someone who takes the TTC as my primary source of transportation, I cannot tell you how many times the 501 has
been short turned at Kipling (or points east of that - Humber, Roncesvalles, etc) DESPITE getting on a car at Queen &
Yonge that says Long Branch. It seems that the closer you live to downtown the better and more frequent service you
receive and when there are problems with the line, it's ALWAYS in favour of downtown and east-bound needs. LOTS
of people live west of Park Lawn. Recognize that a little more when planning, please and thank you. We pay taxes
I think improved TTC service along the Lakeshore is very positive for the neighbourhood.

With the outrageous amount of condo development, our roads are congested and in the 5 years I have lived in
Mimico the travel time downtown has
greatly increased.

Definitely getting the people to take the TTC that currently drive downtown would take some marketing of the clear
benefits as currently it is quicker to drive to work or take the GO. Cost and time would have to be a beneficial.

Perhaps getting an improved 76B bus could also be improved. By having a "bio bus" would reduce pollutants from
This survey is very poorly concieved.

Some areas do not concern me at all and hence there should be an optional answer. Example #23. I do not want an
LRT line running east from Park Lawn! Or #24 as I never take the street car east from Park Lawn. All the questions re
an express bus are of no interest to me but I cannot give that answer.

Finally, I could care less about menacing self centred cyclist who always ride on the sidewalk even though there is a
I'm worried that we will lose a lot of retail shops and the ones that will stay will be low end quality shops and loss of
parking for those retailers that do remain.
The creation of a dedicated street car lane on St. Clair Ave, savaged local business, took away much needed parking
and created a huge amount of traffic congestion.

The corridor from Brown's Line to Park Lawn is very heavily travelled by commuters and often gets the brunt of traffic
runnoff when there are issues on the Gardener Expressway. A major construciton project to create a dedicated line
would heavily impact the flow of traffic in this area, as would the reduction of lanes going East and West.

Commuter flow and congestion are not the issue in this corridor. That issue comes into play along the King and Queen
Steet street car lanes. The residents would be better served by the city creating dedicated lines along these routes
rather than creating unneed traffic congestion along the Lake Shore West route.
I think an LRT with dedicated lanes will have a huge positive impact on the community. It will ease our travel
downtown and it will bring more visitors into this area on weekend and evenings and revitalize the business
community. Yes, there may be some growing pains but our community has tried in the past to spring to life without
major success, I think this is what will do it. And, we'll contribute to a clean and healthy city.
If there was ever a time to expand the TTC service out West, this is the time. More and more people are wanting to
get out of the overcrowded core and move somewhere urban yet still outside the city. We specifically moved to
Etobicoke on the Lakeshore line to get out of the city and still be able to commute to it. We love our little Lakeshore
neighbourhood and I am sure with all the condo's going up along the Lakeshore, improvements to the unreliable 501
I take the TTC only as a last resort because getting home is problematic.It can take 90+ minutes to go from King and
Bathurst to Long Branch because so many streetcars end at the Humber Loop.

I like the idea of reviving the 507 streetcar. It will cut the Queen line down in size and remove one more problem on it.

In the short term more 508 streetcars are helpful. More than one streetcar passing Roncesvalles means less problems
getting home. The 508 in the morning fills up and takes pressure off King St. At night many people get off on the north
side of Roncesvalles and stand beside the Coffee Time watching for which streetcar come first.

Bike lanes need to be included in the plans as far as Park Lawn. From there the Humber Trails are sufficient. I often
commute by bike and it is difficult going through Mimico. Bike lanes are a part of the solution of lessening traffic
congestion. By incorporating them into the design now, it will be much less expensive than doing it later.
Having bought my home just last April, and having searched online for information on plans etc for the area, I am
shocked that I didn't find relevant information of the impact the LRT proposal will have on my new home - I will have
to turn east to go west on my way to work every morning and I'll have to go west to turn back into my driveway when I
come from the downtown which is frequently). This will result in increased fuel usage, traffic congestion and pollution
Traffic on the Lake Shore is already difficult. Adding a dedicated lane and that would reduce the # of left-turn lanes
would make things even worse. I've seen how traffic flow impacts St Clair and have not seen many positives come
why spend the time and money to build LRT in lakeshore west when we have the GO Train?

Build more athletic facilities for peple and encourage lifestlye improvements. (YMCA ?)

Repair and upgrade store fronts in the community with zero interest loans from the city.

Use our tax dollars wisely please

An express route downtown from Parklawn is a great idea.

Having a dedicated streetcar lane going west from Parklawn is suicide for this area, for it's business's and for bikes
and for street parkink.

I don't understand the purpose of an LRT line that disrupts Life along the Lakeshore. Why have a speedy way of
transit for fewer healthy stores, less walking space, dirtier air, less green space...? Where will I be wanting to go?

Life is not about speed; it is about creating connections that can thrive. Easier, more convenient transit is important to
allow the nurturing of connections within a neighbourhood. What I understand about the LRT in no way seems to
nurture connections, but to actually inhibit them.

Another less-considered element is that much of Lakeshore's traffic does not have a Lakeshore destination. For
example, I will not have the choice to help reduce traffic by using the LRT line, since my destination is quite a bit north
of the Lakeshore. This is not to say that more northbound transit is needed, but that creating the LRT does not
Currently streetcars are not able to be boarded by anyone in wheelchairs, scooters, or walkers
1 ***express from downtown to parklawn is THE priority.*** get people OUT here quickly. 40 min to downtown is
painful.

2. lakeshore village is NOT ready to be destroyed and its quality of life reduced -- no on-street parking? HUH?

3. the quality of lakeshore village is *precisely* its relaxed and accommodating vibe. you're missing what governs
property values here.

4. what increases property values? CONVENIENCE: parking in front of the businesses we patronize daily...crossing
the street where we wish...not killing our merchants.

5. for WHOSE convenience is the LRT from parklawn to brown's??

6. fares: at $6 per trip, you're now in GO train ballpark. the fare can *not* be comparable with GO -- mistake,
perceptually.

7. people don't get "east" and "west." this form needs to say "east toward downtown" and "west toward brown's line" --
There will be several NIMBY's (Not in my back yarder) responding to this post. You have to remember, business in the
area is sagging (look at the borded up shops in the area), factories are closing (Arvin Meritor, possibly Chrysler may
be next), and homes are the lowest priced in Central and South Etobicoke. Why not increase the value of the
neighbourhood, encourage retail development, new green factories to re-tool our existing factories, and make South
Etobicoke the next Beaches East. errr West. I have lived along the Scarborough LRT, and have found it to be quite
useful. The new street cars will be here in less than two years, lets join Councillor Grimes et al, and make Long
Branch the most desirable neighbourhood in all of Toronto. LRT, GO Train, Subway Access, Highway Access,
The Lakeshore GO train tracks are grossly under-utilized. The primary problem is lack of parking at the GO station
stops. At Mimico, the small parking lot is filled prior to 7am. Many people in the area are unable to use the GO train
to go downtown in the mornings, due to lack of parking. Multi-storey parking garages at all the Lakeshore GO stations
should be built - NOT LRT - we have train tracks already. Trains only run hourly. They should run every 15 minutes,
with multi-storey parking garages to accommodate the surrounding community. People would drive to the GO
stations and park rather than drive downtown and park, if they had the option. The millions of dollars should NOT BE
MISSPENT ON LRT, when it should be spent on optimizing the GO transit. Instead of LRT from Parklawn to
Thank-you for conducting this survey. I feel that eventually the proposed LRT would provide MORE foot traffic for
business. It might take awhile for the neighbourhood to adjust, but ultimately I feel that it would be beneficial and give
a more 'village' type quality to the lakeshore community. Car traffic does nothing to promote community and really just
continues to perpetuate a 'surburban' feeling to the lakeshore neighbourhood. I feel that lakeshore neighbourhood is
'trying' to become a community,but the traffic is working against them.

It would be a shame if we lost the bike paths as this also adds to the accessability of the lakeshore.

My main problem with the existing TTC is the infrequency, unreliability of the streetcars. This can be maddening
especially in the winter. It mostly affects people who work 'off' hours - not the 9 - 5 people. There are alot of riders who
need to access the TTC during off-peak hours and I do not feel that they are accommodated.

Thanks
Hello, I am no totally clear on all the plans that is why I would like to do more research to give informed opinions. I live
in the area for 5 years; any improvements would be beneficial. Never used the TTC to go downtown because found it
awkward to find the routes to get there; have always driven even to go to work being sales. Better access to get
downtown from Etobicoke or around the Lakeshore easier without driving but I strongly feel there are many more
important issues that need to be addressed in this area. For example, the retail stores still need improvement as to
the choice of businesses that come here that should create a classy selection perhaps like Bloor Street Village. I have
thought of opening up a business here but not sure the demands, needs or requests of the people. The low
I think it would make sense to have the express bus service begin at either Royal York or Superior instead of
Parklawn as it would be more accessible to people in the Mimico and New Toronto area.
TTC is too slow and unreliable. Too many stops between Royal York and Park Lawn - people can walk a few blocks. It
would be nice to see a line run along the lakeshore to harbour front. Otherwise it makes mores sense to drive,
cheaper and 4 times quicker.

My parents lived in the Beach area of the city. When the express bus service was implemented, the streetcar service
was reduced to practically nothing, with most streetcars being short turned at Kingston Road. The people in the Beach
area are certainly in a higher earning bracket than the people in the Lakeshore. Most of us can't afford to pay twice for
Another alternative would be put the LRT on Queensway as a continuation of the dedicated lanes between
Roncesvalles and the Humber loop, and keep the newly renovated streetcar lines on Lakeshore in use.
I think that instead of focusing on this route, the City should consider extending the subway to Sherway Gardens area
or even as far as Dixie. This would take the Mississauga buses from our streets and reduce the trafic to Kipling and
Islington stations. Why would people take the LRT service to travel downtown and not the Go train when they have to
pay an additional fee anyway in addition to the TTC fare? I would think that the Go train would be faster.
Let hope the Lakeshore LRT happens!
I retire in 6 years. I would like to take the LRT into the city once before then. I appreciate that some consultation is
necessary but just get on with it. Visit any city in Europe & you can see how public transportation in the city centre
should work. I am still seething about the decision to implement paid parking at TTC lots for Metropass users. It is
typical as to how we do business when it comes to public transportation. All or nothing. Did you ever consider selling
people a Metropass that includes access to the lots? I would have paid a premimum, i.e. $50 a month. You priced
me out of the metropass market & I sadly had to cancel my annual Metropass. I pay & park and use the TTC once or
twice a week & on the other days I drive & park for the same cost as $5 parking + two tokens a day. And it's faster to
The parking lots at the Go Stations should be INCREASED -I mostly use the GO TRAIN when I am not going to take
my car to work -I then take the subway to Queen St from Union Stn and ride the streetcar. The lots is often full at
MIMICO, and I end up driving my car downtown when I don't need it. But I do take the streetcar as well, but is a hit
and miss because the drivers take breaks, the cars become 'short turn' or 'out of service' at Roncesvalles, which add
to the trip length.

There should also be a GTA pass to use the GO, TTC, MISSISSAUGA TRANSIT, etc so when you need to get to one
The key to making any form of public transit a success is frequency of service, level of service and affordability of
service. If the street cars are readily available with a fast and frequent service I believe many people would leave their
cars and take the ttc, I know I would. The service is so lacking right now, it is likely that it is mostly people who have
no other means of transport - who are frequently using the TTC in lakeshore.

I live in lakeshore becauseit is in the GTA within 20 kms of downtown and yet it takes forever to get anywhere using
the TTC...
Anyone who takes Lakeshore / Queen St. streetcar or drives downtown REGULARLY KNOWS issues are EAST of
PARK LAWN!!

Bringing in ROW will ruin our neighbourhoods for NO GAIN (look at St. Clair - 2 mins savings? for ??millions??. ROW
will destroy retail, create traffic congestion, increase pollution, cut down trees, cut off north from south and cause
issues for EMS(many seniors in area). Extreme overhaul is a completely IRRESPONSIBLE WASTE of our hard-
earned tax dollars, for no balancing gain.

It will only make daily life MORE DIFFICULT (not to mention construction),cut off side streets, create traffic, smog,
remove retial so seniors & residents can no longer walk to the drugstore or for groceries - the OPPOSITE OF quality
of life. AND FOR WHAT?

SIMPLE SOLUTIONS PLEASE: consider islands like at Legion road; remove a stop where there are 2 close together;
Consider the left turn and turnaround lane designs and impact to traffic. It seems to be an issue.

The transfer of the bus from Lakeshore to Mimico would seem to be problematic in the current plan as the people
wanting to go north to Royal York would have to walk a considerable distance for the transfer (also crossing the
Lakeshore Blvd. is not a practical commuter line. It follows the curvature of the lake making it an indirect route. The
streetscape is not wide enough to support adequate traffic lanes, parking, bike paths, reasonable sidewalk space, and
dedicated space for the lrt. Your proposals to date do not even consider the negative local impact of this massive
project. Nor does it make sense from a cost/benefit standpoint. Larger vehicles are not warranted for the expected
population growth. Nor will it make sense for Mississauga transit users as it would be much quicker to take transit to a
subway line or more likely go station.

Swallow your pride and redeploy this money where it is needed. You are not servicing your ridership with this plan
I'm perplexed that the City wants to build dedicated transit lanes when we already have dedicated transit lanes along
the Go line. At the recent public meeting, I was surprised that the idea of improving Go service instead of building a
new right-of-way was dismissed out of hand.

Running a dedicated LRT east of Parklawn may be a way to go as long as there is a Longbranch to Parklawn
dedicated route on existing track.

The City and TTC could improve service dramatically by adding more streetcars and properly scheduling them.

Reinstating the 507 run in addition to the 501 would help.

Instead of wasting taxpayers' hard-earned money on stupid projects that will not work as intended, a litle commen
sense is needed (but not likely to happen).

Just look at the disaster St. Clair Ave. West has become. We do not need that here.
Short-term pain for long-term gain.

The focus needs to expand beyond the impact to business to include the quality of life of residents. Parts of LSW are
in dire need of revitalization, and this would help. There are also a large number of residents without vehicles that
also need to be considered when developing a plan. Not everyone has an alternate and any improvements to the
service would be welcome.
In my experience, in both Canada and around the world, dedicated transit is the most efficient, effective and
accessible way to go. Anything that has transit competing with cars poses multiple, ongoing problems in terms of
reliability, speed and safety. While in the short term construction and adaptation to the new system may cause some
disruptions to life in the area, in the long term, the ease of access can only improve both the lives of the residents, the
visitors and the businesses. I already visit Spadina more frequently because of the LRT there, and am looking forward
The LRT would be great for our community!
I think the LRT line will divide the community. I travel on Spadina Ave. a couple of times a month. Pedestrians cross
on the streetcar tracks, trucks double park to make deleveries, and cyclists go where they please.

St. Clair will be worse if they ever finish it.

Is this expense to make a dedicated lane to save 10 minutes of streetcar travel time?

Why not divide the streetcar route so the streetcar travels from Browns Line to the loop east of ParkLawn.

As a resident in Mimico I won't be happy if I can't turn left from my street to acess Lakeshore.
west to east and then turning and reverse from east to west, once during rush hour and once on the off-time, a
Saturday is suggested but Sunday would due as well.

Then and only then decide whether you support soemthing like this in the Lakeshore West from Parklawn to Long
Branch. Forget the hype the city and TTC present and the hysteria of the nay sayers. Try it and then decide.

Bil Thuma

Express service sounds good, but I'd need more info.

If it's TTC fare + $2.25 and goes to say Union Station, then GO is cheaper and probably quicker so I don't see the
point of this service.

I would suggest instead an express bus, that makes 4 stops between the Longbranch Loop and Humber College, then
1. Make LRT service a priority where it is needed. And that is Park Lawn to downtown. Queen St is
where the biggest problem exists.

2. Update the streetcar equipment on the Lakeshore line at a fraction of the cost of a LRT line.

3. Put supervisors back in charge of drivers so service runs on a fixedschedule and puts an end to bunching.

4. Dramatically reduce (or even eliminate)all-night service as there are virtually no riders.
If a project like this does go forward, there should be something to compensate homeowners for the amount of
construction and inconvenience for seven years (ie. reduced property taxes, etc). Hours of construction is also a major
concern as this is a child-friendly neighbourhood and early start hours / late evenings will be very disruptive to young
families and their schedules, especially those living right on Lake Shore. A seven year schedule and the reduction of
lanes and access seems ridiculous to save a mere five minutes of travel time on the TTC when the bulk of the travel-
time is PArk Lawn to downtown, not the Park Lawn/Long Branch connection. As we travel this route on a daily basis,
We really believe that this proposal will not result in improved service, and will further erode the Lakeshore
I attended the Monday, May 11th open house by the TTC to discuss the Lakeshore LRT plans

My wife and I bought our first house in Mimico this past March. We specifically chose this community as we saw the
future potential of the area and saw it as an area where we would like to raise our family. I feel strongly that the LRT
will be a benefit to the community in the coming years.

all that matters is that from Park lawn to downtown there needs to be an LRT that runs along lakeshore with few stops
and dedicated. So that you don't have to plod along the queen or king streetcar.
- ONLY SUPPORT OPTION OF AN LRT EAST OF PARK LAWN TO DOWNTOWN CORE

- ZERO SUPPORT FOR LRT WITHIN LAKESHORE COMMUNITY FROM PARK LAWN TO LONG BRANCH

- SUPPORT GETTING NEW, UPGRADED STREET CARS TO LAKESHORE COMMUNITY

I strongly oppose the LRT initiative on Lakeshore
The LRT plan is a complete waste of money (that is - taxpayers' money).

The blind notion that an LRT will solve service problems unrelated to the physical realm of the street is nonsense.

Anyone can go out an see that it is current TTC service impeding local vehicle traffic - not the other way around as the
TTC and city claim.

The only reasonable and logical option is the do-nothing option for Lakeshore Blvd. and streetcar service. There is
also no future potential increase of local population on a large scale in Mimico New Toronto and Long Branch that can
justify the LRT. The LRT belongs on the Queensway which has become a transportation corridor with the big scale
shopping and condos.

The LRt won't work to solve service problems.

The trade-off of faster service but longer walks to stops taking more time isn't considered.

More streetcar stops would be better to provide easier access for the elderly. The LRT will do the opposite.

No change should be made to the street. It works fine as it is - and will for the next 40 years. We need better service,
which will be a lot less expensive than wasting money on some grand plan that is not compatible with our
The LRT will cause many more problems than it is intended to solve.

What an utter waste of money - just to save a few minutes of travel time, which will be offset by a longer walking time
to get to a streetcar stop.

And the City can't figure out why people prefer to drive?

Wasting huge sums of money to reinvent transit service is ridiculous.

Try properly scheduling streetcars along the line, and then motor traffic will be less likely to be held up by the packs of
roving streetcars that frequently occur.
Sprucing up Lakeshore means making the Boulevard safer to drive, cycle, and especially walk across. Having new
pedestrian crosswalks would help, and the ROW will definitely help to provide a safe refuge in the middle of this very
wide street. No one would risk crossing 6 lane sections of Eglinton or Sheppard Avenues, but pedestrians on
Lakeshore chance it all the time. There are stores on both sides of the street in most sections, and there is much
crossing of Lakeshore to access the lake trails and parks.

Opening up the city to the lake in the Lakeshore area means making Lakeshore Blvd a much safer pedestrian and
cycling experience.

The right of way will prevent the frequent and dangerous auto U-turns, and reduce auto speeds.
The best option is no change to the physical state of Lakeshore BLvd. The street works just fine as it is.

TTC streetcar problems are all due to poor scheduling. An LRT will notsolve that at an incredibly high cost.
Building the LRT will not solve current trip frequency problems.

Fix the scheduling at a greatly reduced cost to improve service instead of wasting money on an LRT that is unneeded
Poor transit service due to operational problems will not be rectified by wasting taxpayers' money on expensive toys
and a restructuring of our local main street.

No changes to Lake Shore Blvd. should be made.

Put more streetcars back on our line to solve the problems.

Absolutely, there should be no segregated transit right of way.

Leave Lakeshore Blvd. alone.

Poor service caused by timing problems is not an excuse for reconfiguring the strret. That will not solve transit
problems.

Transit use is determined by local employment levels - not how many residents live nearby.

Most people in the condos on the lake drive.

Putting the LRT in will not increase usage. More jobs need to be brought to the lakeshore area. There are too many
condos there now, and that hasn't helped any stores.

Leave the road alone - no separated tracks are needed.

There is nothing wrong with Lakeshore Blvd. today as it functions.

Poor TTC service will remain even with an LRT because it is scheduling problems that we face. Fix that, and no LRT
There is no need for an LRT - now, or in the future.

All the TTC needs to do is fix its scheduling problems. There is no need to waste all kinds of money on a project that
will destroy neighbourhoods and retail on mainstreet.
Better TTC service depends on proper spacing of streetcars. Not long periods with no streetcars, then 2 to 5 coming
one after another. Fix that problem, then no LRT will be needed. An LRT will only destroy our community - no-one
who is sane and rational would believe that an LRT on Lakeshore would be beneficial - just look at how badly St. Clair
Ave turned out. I have been up there and it is a total disaster. If Toronto wants to lose more businesses and reduce
tax revenues - put the LRT in. The LRT is simply to compete with GO Transit in moving people quicker through the
The LRT is a waste of money.

If streetcars ran properly, there would be no problem with service.

Why just fix streetcar timing when, instead, you can waste hundreds of millions of dollars on fancy toys and destroy
entire communities at the same time? That's the Toronto way of doing things. No intelligence present.
Poor service will not be solved by spending so much money on a new transit system that we don't need.

The LRT belongs on the Queensway going from Humber Loop to Sherway Gardens.

No LRT belongs on Lakeshore Blvd. - and no segregated streetcar tracks can be allowed on the street.

Put more streetcars on the Lakeshore line to solve our problems.

Poor service can easily be remedied by timing streetcars properly.

That can be done at a substantial cost saving to building an LRT that will not work on a neighbourhood main street.

Lakedhore blvd. must not be segregated and cause traffic backups for the sake of a few minutes trip saving at best.
We need more streetcars and more transit stops in the Lakeshore to provide better service.

Fewer people will use an LRT because it will be farther to walk to transit stops.

Wasting our tax money on a stupid plan is unbelievable.

TTC service in the lakeshore is pathetic.

Long periods with no streetcars then a whole bunch come one after another - even after midnight!

And the TTC claims that is due to car traffic blocking streetcars (at night?). I have yet to see streetcars routinely
blocked by traffic. I always see cars backed up behind streetcars.

What a waste of money the LRT will be. Destroy whole communities (go to St. Clair Avenue West and see for
yourself)when proper scheduling of current streetcars in our area can solve all the problems today.

No segregated streetcars tracks and no LRT for the lakeshore.

The LRT project belongs on the Queensway which is a major transit corridor. THe LRT could go past Sherway to
No LRT No separate streetcar tracks are needed in the lakeshore

FIx the schedule problems at a significantly lower cost. Don't waste taxpayers money.

The LRT belongs on the Queensway.

Poor service will not be solved by putting in the LRT.

It is just an excuse to waste our tax dollars.

The LRT belongs on the Queensway from Humber Loop to Sherway. That road is a major transportation corridor.

Lakeshore is not. No LRT and no separate streetcar tracks on Lakeshore. This must be stopped. The community
TTC service s crappy since 507 streetcar removed.

An LRT will not solve problems, it will create more. Improve service by proper timing of streetcars. LRT is a colossal
waste of money.

The LRT should be built on the Queensway from Humber Loop to Sherway Gardens. The Queensway is a much
wider street, and is a vehicle corridor with new development being built. The lakeshore is a small main street that can
not possibly accomodate an LRT.
The Lrt belongs on the Queensway.

Humber Loop to Sherway Gardens is a logical route, as that street is a vehicle corridor which is much wider than
Lakeshore Blvd. Isn't the LRT supposed to put tracks where there aren't any now to reduce car use?

The Lrt in the lakeshore must be stopped - and no exclusive trackage lane must ever be put in.

This is one of Toronto's stupidist ideas yrt - even after the disaster on St. Clair Avenue. Simply unbelievable!! What
Why would anyone want to destroy such a nice area with such a stupid idea?

The LRT belongs on the Queensway, which is a major car road. This road is also wider than lakeshore.

It would be nice to keep the existing character of the lakeshore. If anyone wants to change things here, they can just
move somewhere else and leave our neighbourhoods to those who appreciate them.

No LRT is needed here, and a separate streetcar track is unacceptable. The do nothing option is the only option that
Poor-quality transit service will not change with an LRT.

We moved here because of the nice neighbourhoods near the lake. We do not want to see that character changed
because we appreciate how precious it is. The LRT will destroy the nice small-town feel in Lakeshore.

There is not enough traffic here to warrant the LRT, even though the current streetcars often block road traffic.

The Lrt belongs on the Queensway from Humber Loop to Sherway.

There should be no LRT here and no separate right of way for rail transit. Fix the TTC scheduling problems.
The poor current TTC service could be fixed by putting more streetcars in service.

The LRT will just spoil our area. It is so noce now. A high-speed rail line will kill all the Lakeshore communities.

We need more transit stops - not fewer. Older people will not use the TTC if it is too far to a stop. All of us are
getting older.

LRT should go on the Queensway from Humber Loop to Sherway.

TTC service is pathetic.

LRT will not change that. What a waste of money.

The TTC service west of Park Lawn to Brown's Line is fine because the streetcars move along without problems
unless there happens to be a collision between to vehicles or vechicle and streetcar which will then cause a delay.

The problems with the transit system begins east of Roncesvalles with too many vehicles and trucks on the roads.

Coming from downtown Queen and Yonge or Queen and Bay to west of Parklawn should only take approximately one
hour or less not almost two hours.

I like taking the street car but unfortunately I can't rely on the service getting me home in time to meet my daycare
hours.

I have to take the bus to the subway and then the subway downtown.

I strongly oppose the LRT service. It is not appropriate for residential areas, period. I live right on LakeShore Blvd.
W. in the Daniels Townhomes. My livingroom window faces the street and is very close to the roadway. There is
very little sidewalk that exists. I already suffer from signifcant noise and air pollution from daily traffic. Centre lane
LRT right of way will push vehicles to be driving closer to my home and almost right under my nose! No thank you.
An LRT service running west of park lawn would effectively kill any remaining hope for economic rejuvenation in the
area as the division between north and south sides of the street would effectively render half of the businesses
inaccessible. It has been shown time and time again that this divide is virtually insurmountable and a defacto
neighbourhood killer.

The key to lakeshore development is to remove the streetcar tracks, install electric buses to allow for increased traffic
flow, ease of traffic flow, and increased bus frequency. This would also address various environmental concerns.

Next, and infrastructure beautification process needs to be funded to make the area visually attractive and instill
community pride.

The next solution is to remove the bottleneck heading east from Parklawn by widening access to lakeshore, insisting
that new condo developments create new walkways, bike routes, and road lanes.
I am a daily TTC user. The streetcar service is adequate in the morning rush hour but not in the afternoon rush hour.
Timing of streetcars is inadequate so that they are overcrowded. Many shortturn at Humber creating overcrowding of
users.

The traffic lanes from Mimico to east of Parklawn is inadequate, especially where it reduces to one lane after the Esso
gas station. Even the streetcar becomes backlogged. With additional condos developed at Legion Rd and on Park
Lawn traffic planning and development must be a focus.

We don't need a dedicated lane LRT but rather new and improved TTC vehicles, preferrably a tram type, and beter
timing of service.
I am firmly against the LRT for our area.

I have seen the destruction of St. Clair.

I don't see any benefit of LRT on the Lakeshore.

The installation of a dedicated lane is the WORST part of this plan. It will divide the north and south of Lakeshore,
reduce parking and increase congestion.

This plan ONLY addresses the transit needs of those who need to go downtown - like taht is the only transit need for
residents!!!

At this time the people living in the lakeshore area seem to be mostly low income and senior citizens. people that
would have little or no use for this line, It probably would help those Mississauge residents to the west however, as a
long time resident of the lakeshore, I object to being used as a middle man between, downtown and Mississauga. It
may over longterm, bring new residents into the area, however, it would take some time and I do not believe at this
time it is necessary to us. The cost and inconvenience of it far out reach any positive impact..... at least to the
lakeshore area.

We just spent a lot of time and money upgrading (and inconveniencing) the street for the streetcars. Now you wish to
start all over again....
I currently take the GO because it's MUCH faster than the TTC.
It is not clear as to the path of the LRT. What happens with the Queen Car Service? Do we have to change at
Parklawn?

Where does the TTC expect to get so many new riders? Do they think they will come from Mississauga? The GO train
already services the area.
It takes me 25 minutes to get to the Go Train by bus and streetcar! I'd take both bus and Go most days if they
Poor TTC service will not be solved with the LRT.

Better scheduling would solve all current problems.

LRT belongs on the Queensway, which is a wide transportation corridor. Lakeshore is not.

No LRT on Lakeshore, and no dedicated streetcar tracks are acceptable.

THe LRT will destroy the community we moved to. We do not want to see it become like the Beaches.

It is so nice here today.

Bad TTC service can be solved by proper streetcar spacing. An LRT is a waste of money and just an excuse to
supposedly solve the service problems.

LRT belongs on the Queensway, from Humber Loop to Sherway Gardens. That is a wide vehicle road that is a
corridor. Lakeshore Blvd. is not a corridor like the Queensway.

Destroying communities for a few minutes of trip time savings is insane. Watch property taxes skyrocket to make up
for lost commercial tax.

Our neighbourhoods are beautifl down here (at least those that are far away from the ugly condos). Let's keep our
area the Gem of Toronto. Not a cesspool like everywhere else condos have been built to become a blight on real
communities.
I do not want an LRT line in our neighborhood; it is a waste of money and will only have negative impacts.
We need more road capacity so those of us the must drive from the Humber Bay Shores area can drive more
effectively.

The TTC is a lost cause. It takes way too long to get anywhere because of the excessive waiting times (then 3
streetcars come one after another).

The LRT will block our road access and make it more difficult to get anywhere.

The LRT belongs on the Queensway, from Humber Loop to SHerway. That will serve people who take transit much
better.

Lousy TTC service can be fixed tomorrow with proper scheduling of streetcars.

The LRT is not necessary, and will severely harm our local communities.

We moved here to live in a peaceful, attractive area. Losing local stores because business traffic is cut off is not an
option. If you want people to leave cars at home and support their community you need to preserve local shopping -
otherwise we will just go back to driving to shopping. The LRT will do nothing to support local business, because it is
just to move riders through the area at a faster rate. The LRT will provide no positive benefits to local communities.

No LRT and no separate streetcar tracks can be allowed to be put on Lakeshore Blvd.

Why should we have to move again because the city ruins another neighbourhood with another stupid idea that will
cost taxpayers far too much. Quit wasting our money with incompetence.
The TTC is too inconvenient to use most of the time.

The LRT will cause too much gridlock in our area. We do not want the LRT or separate streetcar allowance because
it will make it more difficult to get out of our area. We have no shopping here and must drive everywhere to do that.
Our time is at a premium, so the transit system will not work for us.

The LRT should be put on the Queensway from Humber loop going west to Sherway. More people are likely to use
that line.

I do not want our property value to go down because of the LRT.

It is a waste of money.

No LRT and no segregated streetcar track is acceptable.

LRT does not serve this community at all. It will have a myriad of negative impacts on those living and working here.
The service, and transportation to or from downtow will become a nightmare, requiring more walking, transferring,
existing and plannned TTC service to and from this area will deteriorate and will become less instead of more
convenient, will become less instead of more frequent.
No LRT and no separate street car tracks on lakeshore.

We need more vehicle capacity not less.

And more transit stops for older people are needed.

The very negative impact of the proposed dedicated line to access to homes and business is huge. I live in Marina
Del Rey. The very real possibility of not being able to make a left turn from Lake Shore into the complex is
I think that buses should replace the streetcar line from Parklawn to Browns Line; like along Dundas near Cloverdale
Mall). This would provide faster service, clear a lane for the bus and cars with more than one person. A bike lane
could be added on the inside curb lane. If buses used were the type that lowered - it would be great for the elderly
living in the area that rely on transit.

I hope that at Parklawn - there would be TTC security personnel. Better lighting,security cameras and no one (male or
female) should be left there at any hour to wait for transit!!

Safety there has to be improved and I know of many people in their 60's - 70's who will not use the TTC there because
of that station and having to wait after a Short-Turn Streetcar.

I think that improved public transit is good for the area. As more residents use the transit on the lakeshore there will
be more pedestrians, and more local shopping. More shopping brings more community feelings, and better
businesses. Better businesses bring higher property values. GOOD GOOD GOOD. Bring it on already!
LRT will not solve poor srvice problems.

LRT belongs on the Queensway from Humber Loop west.

No LRT and separate trackage is acceptable on Lakeshore Blvd.

The LRT belongs on Queensway, which is a major corridor for cars.

A separate streetcar track and an LRT is unacceptable on Lakeshore.

We do not want to see our neighbourhood ruined by putting a high-speed service to move riders through our
communities.

Service is bad even during the day. LRT will not change that.

No LRt and no loss of traffic lanes on Lakeshore can be accepted.

Keep Lakeshore Blvd. the same. No changes. No LRT.
Bad TTC service will be the same with the LRT because there will be less streetcars and trips meaning longer waits.

Do not put the LRT on Lakeshore and do not allow separate tracks.
I do not think that a dedicated lane for TTC in the lakeshore area is a good idea at all. I have been to many areas of
the city that have dedicated lanes for TTC and the result always seems to end up with increased traffic and no
parking. I can not see how making more traffic would improve our neighbourhood. I think the focus of the lakeshore
community should be improving buisness in the area and decressing the parking on lakshore would cause damage to
the local stores. Also, if there is going to be no left hand turns it would make driving a big pain concidering the number
Would like to have more information on the following:

1-Question 26-Specifically what area of the lakeshore retail and green spaces would be need to be reduced if the
dedicated line was put in.

2-Would the LRT bring more people to this neighborhood to shop? And would it lead to more
An LRT between Brown's Line & Park Lawn makes no sense if it's the existing service from Park Lawn to downtown.
Slow service between Park Lawn & downtown is the reason I don't use the streetcar! Also - when the Gardiner/QEW
is backed up, the Lakeshore takes the overflow of commuters from Mississauga. How are emergency service
vehicles (fire, ambulance) going to be able to get to my home if the one remaining lane of the Lakeshore is packed
Why not send around flyers with maps and overhead drawings of impact on lanes, left-turns, and parking.
I do not believe that ltr would improve our way of live in the Lakeshore area. This is an area of very mix incomes and
increasing any fees would be difficult. To have dedicated lines would make it difficult for people with physical
disabilities. Walking out to the lines plus walking the extra distant to the stops would be hard. The people in the area
walk along the shop area and to decrease the sidewalks just doesn't make sense. It would increase the use of there
own cars and this would only encourage people to go out of there area to shop.

I understand to improve the system, maybe the frequency or the style of the streetcars themselves but not the whole
The removal of buses on small residential street like Mimico Ave is recommended and a turn around for the Mimico
bus to be either at Superior Ave or Parklawn would not only make Mimico a safer street (the school children run/walk
and ride their bicycles up and down the street all day) and increase the proposed usage of the new LRT like with
residents living on Royal York... (a much faster commute to down town ie. taking the subway from Royal York. The
additional $2.25 charge is too expensive...costs comparable to the GO Train! (7 minutes from Mimico to Union).

That being said this is an essential service for the residents of Lakeshore West (especially with all the new condo
developments).
LRT is a total waste of money.

It will block up our roads and cause more gridlock and air pollution.
Stop the LRT.

We do not need it.

It will cause more gridlock and tie traffic up.

Put the LRT on the Queensway from Humber Loop.