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Z. Z. Charles
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I saw a propert y adv er t ised w it h 3 phase pow er t o t he gar age and house. I have no idea w hat is special about t his or why it is useful. What is it for? And w ould a house w it h 3 phase pow er need special elect r ical appliances? 3 phase is used for high pow er devices, large duct ed air con, lar ge w elder or com pr essor . You would have nor m al 230 v olt power as w ell. Just t hink of it as hav ing t hree separat e supplies t o t he house. Ther e ar e t hen " special" appliances t hat connect t o each supply t o get enough pow er t o work ( e.g. An a/ c or welder ) .
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m y underst anding ( t he expert s will corr ect m e if i'm wr ong) single phase elect r icit y com es int o y our house w it h 2 w ires ( 1 act ive and 1 neut ral) 3- phase com es int o y our house wit h 4 w ir es ( 3 act iv es and 1 neut r al) so because 3 phase has 3 x 240 volt w ires com ing int o t he house it has 3 t im es t he pot ent ial cur rent av ailable for your appliances t o use, so it can be used t o power high pow er ed equipm ent lik e duct ed air condit ioner s.
reference: whr l.pl/ RdrzZT post ed 2013- Jan- 21, 12pm AEST edit ed 2013- Jan- 21, 12pm AEST r efer ence: whrl.pl/ Rdr z1f post ed 2013- Jan- 21, 12pm AEST edit ed 2013- Jan- 21, 12pm AEST
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3- phase com es int o y our house wit h 4 w ir es ( 3 act iv es and 1 neut r al) This. How ev er , each phase is 120 degrees shift ed, so t her e is alway s a st r ong posit ive and st rong negat ive sour ce of energy, allow ing sm oot h delivery of large am ount s of AC pow er . Edit : I n part icular , 3 phase m ot ors m ake good use of 3 phase power. ht t p: / / en.wikipedia.or g/ wiki/ Thr eephase_elect r ic_pow er
( ht t p: / / en.w ikipedia.org/ w iki/ Thr eephase_elect ric_pow er)
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Rolloff2k
3 Phase can be up t o 50am ps or m ore a nor m al out let is 240v/ 10am p = 2400 w at t s of pow er dr aw. Lar ge elect r ical appliances or light ing would blow a st andar d out let 's cir cuit breaker or fuse. e.g. a par can ( light ing can) t hat bands use can dr aw 1000w each. I f you have 10 cans t hat 's 10,000w .
reference: whr l.pl/ Rdrz6Z post ed 2013Jan- 21, 12pm AEST reference: whrl.pl/ Rdrz65 post ed 2013Jan- 21, 12pm AEST reference: whrl.pl/ Rdrz7n post ed 2013Jan- 21, 12pm AEST
UncleMurphy
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Does it m ean hav ing 3 elect ricit y m et er s = 3 Phase?
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Does it m ean hav ing 3 elect ricit y m et er s = 3 Phase? no.

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rugger
3 Phase can be up t o 50am ps or m ore a nor m al out let is 240v/ 10am p = 2400 w at t s of pow er dr aw. Not hing st opping a nor m al out let fr om going t o 50 am ps ... j ust need t o use bigger wir es and fuses and plugs. St oves gener ally go a lot higher t han 10 am ps, hence m uch bigger fuses. 3 phase is generally easier t hough t o do t his t hough, and m any of t he applicat ions it is used for have direct devices t hat can use 3 phase m or e efficient ly t han single phase.
reference: whrl.pl/ Rdrz8a post ed 2013Jan- 21, 12pm AEST
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Rolloff2k
r ugger... Not hing st opping a nor m al out let fr om going t o 50 am ps ... j ust need t o use bigger wir es and fuses and plugs. Not Quit e DI Y st uff St oves gener ally go a lot higher t han 10 am ps, hence m uch bigger fuses. That would be a 15 am p line and fuse
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DZA888
Only useful for pow er ing heavy m achiner y or big Air cons. Also pot ent ially useful in t he event of a single phase out age in t he st r eet . eg. t he 'whit e' phase m ay die, so y ou m ay st ill have power t o part of y our house. Ther es no need for special appliances.
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Jason132
Not hing st opping a nor m al out let fr om going t o 50 am ps Except for t he fact t hat a norm al out let can't handle m ore t han 10 am ps. 50 am ps t hr ough one would burn your house dow n in no t im e, don't m ake silly com m ent s if y ou don't know what you're t alking about . The w iring t o a st andar d out let alm ost alw ays can already handle m ore t han 10 am ps. I t 's t he out let it self which can't handle it , it will get t oo hot and bur n out .
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User # 20630 18274 post s Whirlpool For um s Addict
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rugger
Except for t he fact t hat a norm al out let can't handle m ore t han 10 am ps. 50 am ps t hr ough one would burn your house dow n in no t im e, don't m ake silly com m ent s if y ou don't know what you're t alking about . Oops, Meant t o say t hat t her e is not hing st opping single phase dev ices from using 50 am ps, of cour se t hey w ould have t o use a suit able wir es and connect ions.
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chiefdeville
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Does it m ean hav ing 3 elect ricit y m et er s = 3 Phase? No But does anyone have any decent pics of 3 Phase elect r icit y m et ers? My boar d w as upgraded alt hough t o be fair I haven't act ually look ed at it so unsur e what t he visual difference is
reference: whrl.pl/ Rdr ALg post ed 2013Jan- 21, 3pm AEST reference: whr l.pl/ RdrAMi post ed 2013Jan- 21, 3pm AEST
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Jason132
I t 's possible t o have 3 m et er s on 3 phase boar ds. I act ually have 2 phase at m y hom e, and hav e 3 m et ers. 1 for each phase and 1 for t he off peak. I f your a hom e handy m an and t he house has a shed you'll j um p at t he chance of it having 3 Phase. By t he ask ing of t he quest ion I 'd say your not int o t he hom e handym an st uff. But , t here is t he bonus of A/ C and ot her appliances t hat can run on 3 Phase cost of t he usage is t he dr iv ing fact or , cheaper t o r un.
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hugojay
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I t 's possible t o have 3 m et er s on 3 phase boar ds. I have 3 phase power and 3 m et ers. Act ually I have 4 m et er s. ( Solar GFI T m et er as well)
t25
i hav e it , and love it . even sold power t o t he neighbour w ho needed it t o polish up som e t err azzo. it s gr eat for running t hings like lift s, air com pressors, and w or kshop equipm ent t hat r equire good solid pow er . basically y our com m er cial st uff. from w hat ive been t old by west ern pow er ( dont quot e m e on t his, as t his is w hat i w as t old by t he sparkie) it is act ually get t ing harder and harder t o get 3 phase power in a r esident ial ar ea.
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it is act ually get t ing harder and har der t o get 3 phase power in a r esident ial ar ea. Ut ilit ies ar e becom ing m or e st r ingent on t he condit ions for at inst alling it for free t hen t hey w her e in t he past . So t here is a bit of a gam e going on bet w een ut ilit ies and spar kies t hat know t he "r ight wor ds" To t he OP, if it is av ailable it is a good t hing, you m ight not want it now but it is r eally handy t o hav e it sit t ing t her e for fut ur e use.
reference: whr l.pl/ Rdr Blj post ed 2013Jan- 21, 5pm AEST edit ed 2013Jan- 21, 5pm AEST
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Driftabout
I t 's alway s been a issue depending on w ere you live and t he size of t ransfor m er init ially set up on your line. Som e people in t as could get it no problem s, ot hers were t old t hey w ould have t o pay t o hav e a higher r at ed KVA pad or pole t op t ransfor m er inst alled. I f you can get 415V / 3 phase rem em ber all t hose higher am ps add up t o m any m or e kWhrs you could pot ent ially be paying for , w it h regular use of cour se. Also check if t here is any addit ional net w or k charge by y our pr ov ider of choice.
reference: whr l.pl/ RdrBoR post ed 2013Jan- 21, 5pm AEST
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Jason132
Basically t he w ay i ex plain it is, t hat st andar d single phase has an act iv e and a neut ral, which in " wat er pipe" analogy , t he act ive pushes and pulls ( sw it ching m any t im es a second) while t he neut ral j ust provides an "exit " point for t he pushing and pulling t o be done but doesnt do any work . But wit h m ult iple phases, you have one act iv e pushing w hile j oined t o anot her act ive in sync t hat s pulling, and vice versa. I .e one pum ps t he ot her pulls, so you get t w ice as m uch power , and so act iv e t o act ive will give you over 400 volt s, a lot m ore oom ph. I m agine blowing on one end of a hose, y ou w ill push X am ount of air t hr ough. Now have a fr iend suck on t he ot her end while you blow , youll m ove alot m or e air ( elect r ons) . 3 phase syst em s don't st r ict ly need a neut r al but alm ost alw ay s do due t o st andar d 240v com ponent s inside t he appliance. I f you look at high volt age pow er lines t her e will oft en j ust be t hree phase lines and no neut ral. The phases t hem selves act as t he " ret ur n" line. Here's a couple pics of m y "t wo phase" board and m e m easuring 430 v olt s phase t o phase at t he m ain sw it ch: ( 430 is j ust w hat I happen t o m easure at m y place on t his day, it differ s locat ion t o locat ion) ht t p: / / im ageshack.us/ phot o/ m y- im ages/ 716/ 20130121185245.j pg
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( ht t p: / / im ageshack.us/ phot o/ m y - im ages/ 545/ 20130121185654.j pg/ )
I should not e t hat m y house is 50 years old and r at her t han upgr ade t he consum er m ains t o a large single phase cable, at som e point an ext ra phase w as sim ply added ( or possibly done t hat w ay fr om t he st ar t ) , w it h t he load from m y house spread evenly over t he t w o phases. Ther e is no special appliance or anyt hing t hat act ually uses t wo phases or t he 430 v olt . Having 2 phases it is t his possible t o have a "br own out ", where t he st reet drops a single line/ phase and I lose power t o w hat ever is on t hat phase, i.e half t he power point s, but t he rest w or k fine.
reference: whr l.pl/ RdrBq4 post ed 2013Jan- 21, 6pm AEST edit ed 2013Jan- 21, 6pm AEST
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it is act ually get t ing harder and har der t o get 3 phase power in a r esident ial ar ea I don't k now m uch about ot her ut ilit ies but for West er n Power, t his st at em ent is not t r ue. You paid m or e for 3- phase m et er and cable from t he green pillar t o t he m et er. Ther e is alway s 3 - phase cable running dow n t he st reet , in nor m al inst allat ion, one phase serv es t wo houses, t he next phase ser ves t he next t wo houses and t he last phase ser ves t he next t wo houses and t hen t he sequence r epeat s. This is t o balance out t he pow er on t hese phases. 3- phase power is nor m ally used for lar ge ( power - hungry ) equipm ent such as air- con, welder ... Just com par e one- st roke law nm ower and t hree- st r ok e lawnm ower ( if t here is a t hing) . I t is easier t o st ar t t he lat t er and it is m uch quiet er . Sim ilarly for 3- phase m ot ors. Obv iously it is no point t o have 3- phase supply if you don't use it . So it is also m ore cost ly t o inst all 3 - phase powerpoint and y ou also need 4 - cor e cable t o connect t he pow er point hence t he cost st art s t o escalat e. FYI , all single- phase power point s ( norm al powerpoint s) in a r esident ial housing use only one phase even if you have t hr eephase supply . I n larger com plex such as fact or ies, t her e m ight be different phases going t o different part s of t he building but t hen t hey should be labelled clearly ( R,W,B) ...
reference: whr l.pl/ Rdr Bt M post ed 2013Jan- 21, 6pm AEST reference: whr l.pl/ RdrBv0 post ed 2013Jan- 21, 6pm AEST edit ed 2013Jan- 21, 6pm AEST
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415 volt 3 phase power is act ually quit e com m on in WA houses built befor e t he lat e 1970s. I t was m ainly used for elect ric inst ant hot w at er heat er s. My old house had t his. Ther e w as only one m et er box but t hr ee quit e lar ge fuses ser vicing each phase for t he hot wat er ser vice.
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t25
So it is also m ore cost ly t o inst all 3- phase pow er point and you also need 4 cor e cable t o connect t he pow er point hence t he cost st art s t o escalat e. Why do t hey car e about cost s? im t he one paying for t he service. if i want it , t hey have t o inst all it . i didnt use 3 phase power for t he first 2 - 3yr s at m y new place. wasnt unt il a neighbour w ant ed it t hat i act ually t ur ned it on for t he fir st t im e ( t hat i sold him t he power t o r un his polisher )
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z28
I f you can get 415V / 3 phase rem em ber all t hose higher am ps add up t o m any m or e kWhrs you could pot ent ially be paying for , w it h regular use of cour se. This is not cor rect t he volt age for single phase is 240 V, w hile for t hr ee phase is 415 V ( phase- t o- phase) . I f y ou have 5 k W air - con, you w ould need 20.8 A for single phase supply and 12 A if 3 - phase supply is used. You only pay for 5 kW t hat you use you don't pay m or e. However in t his case 3phase supply is m ore adv ant ageous as less curr ent flow m eans less loss in t he cable and y our m achine will hav e less w ear and t ear .
reference: whr l.pl/ Rdr BxA post ed 2013Jan- 21, 6pm AEST
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z28
Why do t hey car e about cost s? im t he one paying for t he service. if i want it , t hey have t o inst all it . I didn't say t hey car e. You pay for t he ser vice, t hey w ill inst all t he m et er . BTW, t he elect rical inst allat ion inside your house is not done by West er n Power ( I am t alking about West er n Pow er her e, no w her e else) , it is car ried out by elect rical cont ract or. What I said is m ainly for new or r ecent ly built houses. Old houses do have 3 phase inst allat ion as st andar d befor e 1970 or t her eabout .
reference: whr l.pl/ RdrByH post ed 2013Jan- 21, 6pm AEST
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Jason132
t he volt age for single phase is 240 V The st andar d is act ually 230v in Aust r alia now, w it h som et hing like + 10% / 6% var iance allowed. I n som e part s it 's + 10% / - 2% . This m eans t hat t he 250v phase t o neut r al/ 430v phase t o phase i'm curr ent ly m easuring is wit hin spec.
reference: whrl.pl/ RdrBBO post ed 2013Jan- 21, 6pm AEST
hoofie
For m ost hom e ow ners having a 3 phase supply is of lit t le benefit , apar t from t he abilit y t o run big- ar se air - condit ioner s For anyone t hough w ho likes t o use welders, com pr essor s, lat hes, m illing m achines, bandsaws et c et c it s fant ast ic as you can put bigger m achines in w it hout worr ying about convert er s et c.
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jwbam
Just com par e one- st rok e law nm ower and t hree- st r oke lawnm ow er ( if t her e is a t hing) . I t is easier t o st art t he lat t er and it is m uch quiet er I t 's act ually m or e like a 2- cylinder V- Tw in m ot orcycle engine vs a 6 - cy linder V6 car engine. Each of 2 cylinders j ust pushes t he crank shaft dow n, separ at ed by 180 degr ees lik e a bicycle pedal each cylinder t aking over aft er t he ot her has pushed all t he w ay dow n. Wit h a V6, each cylinder 's push overlaps wit h t he one before and t he one aft er , so t here is a sm oot h t r ansit ion fr om one t o t he next . I nst ead of j ust pushing one crank down, t hey w or k t oget her pushing t he crank shaft r ound and r ound. Also wit h a single phase, you hav e t he t wo wires car ry ing curr ent t hat alt ernat es bet ween 100% in one direct ion and 100% t he ot her dir ect ion and is 0 in bet w een. Whereas w it h 3 phase, each w ir e st ill alt er nat es, but som e funct ion as posit ive while t he ot her as negat ive, so t he 3 w ires alm ost cancel each ot her out , y ou don't need t o have 2 wires per phase = 6, j ust 3 as for each wire t he ot her 2 will com plet e t he circuit .
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Z. Z. Charles
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To t he OP, if it is av ailable it is a good t hing, you m ight not want it now but it is r eally handy t o hav e it sit t ing t her e for fut ur e use. Yeah, could be. This t hr ead has been very enlight ening for m e.
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blaME ?
3 phase best for m ot ors, lar ge and sm all, and heavy loads like wat er heat ers. The r eason w hy it wor ks well for m ot ors is t hat t he pow er [ gener ally] com es o o from a 3 phase r ot at ing m achine [ a gener at or ] . Each phase is 120 and 240 o in r elat ion t o t he ot her phases. One rot at ion = 360 . Each phase has it 's own o sine w ave, 'out of phase' by t hat 120 . A 3 phase m ot or is easily put int o a r ever se dir ect ion by sim ply sw apping t w o supply cables. The only problem can be t he loss of one phase especially under load. Mot or prot ect ion overload relay s cover t his possibilit y . A 3 phase m ot or is a very sim ple device t hat requir es no bias windings, like a single phase m ot or, t o get it r ot at ing in a discret e direct ion. Wit hout bias a single phase m ot or w ill sit in a st alled condit ion, t rying t o t ur n oner way and t hen t he ot her as t he AC sine w ave cycles. As such, a single phase m ot or less efficient and requir es m or e equipm ent t o have it funct ion corr ect ly , especially if t he m ot or has t o st art under load, lik e a refriger at ion com pr essor . The 3 phase m ot or rot at es in har m ony w it h t he generat or, nat ur ally. Som e w elder s use a m ot or t o t urn a low volt age generat or/ alt er nat or . You do not w eld at volt age like 240V or 415V [ or w hat ev er t he supposed 'St andar d' is.] We have a 2 phase supply in t his hom e, originally for a w at er heat er load. [ gas now ] I t 's an old 1950's build. The only negat iv e t o t his is t hat it will cost m e m ore for prot ect ion r elays, prot ect ion against a bodgy supply net w or k t hat can go under volt age and overv olt age. I do not t r ust t he level of net w or k prot ect ion t hat SP Ausnet have in place and under st and t hey spend bugga all in m aint aining net work int egrit y, r at her t heir int er est s ar e elsew here. ps. The w at er/ plum bing flow analogy doesn't alw ays apply! Elect r icit y will r un up a slope j ust as fast as it will r un dow n a slope.
reference: whrl.pl/ Rdr BWY post ed 2013Jan- 21, 8pm AEST edit ed 2013Jan- 21, 8pm AEST
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Driftabout
This is not cor rect t he volt age for single phase is 240 V, w hile for t hr ee phase is 415 V ( phase- t o- phase) . You norm ally go 3 phase if you need t he ex t ra am ps.
reference: whrl.pl/ Rdr BZk post ed 2013Jan- 21, 8pm AEST
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Jason132
You norm ally go 3 phase if you need t he ex t ra am ps. 3 phase devices can use less am ps t han single phase due t o higher v olt age. He is cor r ect . I f you have less volt age t han y ou need m or e am ps t o do t he equivalent am ount of work. Welder s oft en r un on som et hing like 1 or 2 volt s but an incredible am ount of cur rent is used inst ead t o m elt t he m et al.
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Catbuster
What is it for ? Any plans t o buy an elect r ic car? 3- phase power can handle som e of t he specialised elect r ic bat t er y char ges so you could cut y our rechar ge t im e dow n fr om bet ween 4 12 hours ( depending on vehicle m ake and bat t er y) t o 2 3 hours. I know t he Holden Volt has an opt ion for a fast er r echarger if you have a 3 phase power supply. I guess as we m ove fur t her int o t he " green" t echnology field you can ex pect m or e opt ions for 3 phase r echar gers t o com e out . Might be handy t o have a house wit h t hat capabilit y .
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Driftabout
3 phase devices can use less am ps t han single phase due t o higher v olt age. He is cor r ect . My bad, I t hink in KVA rat ings ie t he am ount of ener gy you have available. I spend m y life playing wit h 415V, 6.6kV ( m ost ly dr iv es) 14kV ( gen out ) , 22k V, 220kV all of w hich is 3 phase, so I lose sight of t his dom est ic st uff w e have 3 phase power for our A/ C I t hink it 's 18kw . and t he builder said t o get it put int o m y shed, so I did best t hing I did, I got a new t able saw , 3 phase cut s t hr ough 3 inch hardwood like but t er, and it 's so m uch less noise t han a 240 volt s t able saw.
reference: whrl. pl/ Rdr B5o post ed 2013Jan- 21, 8pm AEST edit ed 2013Jan- 21, 9pm AEST
nutbagbob
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frankfurts
My bad, I t hink in KVA rat ings ie t he am ount of ener gy you have available. I spend m y life playing wit h 415V, 6.6kV ( m ost ly dr iv es) 14kV ( gen out ) , 22k V, 220kV all of w hich is 3 phase, so I lose sight of t his dom est ic st uff KVA is t he t heor et ical pow er available not t aking int o account power fact or KW is t he act ual pow er available t o do work aft er P.F losses and is t he power consum ed by t he load on t he cir cuit I n short KVA= t heoret ical pow er KW= r eal power Also power or KW= Volt s X Am ps so at a higher volt age y ou need less curr ent t o do t he sam e work KW on a 3 phase circuit is KW= V x A x 1.732 so a 3 phase cir cuit can m ake up t he sam e power w it h m uch less curr ent .
reference: whr l.pl/ Rdr B99 post ed 2013Jan- 21, 9pm AEST edit ed 2013Jan- 21, 9pm AEST reference: whrl. pl/ Rdr Chz post ed 2013Jan- 21, 9pm AEST reference: whrl.pl/ Rdr Cj e post ed 2013Jan- 21, 10pm AEST
Driftabout
At t he end of t he day if you want gr unt , 3 phase is t he w ay t o go.
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t25
At t he end of t he day if you want gr unt , 3 phase is t he w ay t o go. also go 3 phase if you want efficiency t oo.
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I f you look at high volt age pow er lines t her e will oft en j ust be t hree phase lines and no neut ral. The phases t hem selves act as t he " ret ur n" line. not r eally. t he prim ar y side of t he t r ansform er s is w ir ed in a delt a, w hereas t he secondary side is wired in st ar configur at ion ( if y ou don't k now what I m ean, delt a is like a t r iangle. cant r eally dr aw a diagr am her e.) by being w ir ed in delt a, only 3 w ir es are needed. on t he secondar y side it is w ired in st ar w it h t he st ar point becom ing t he neut r al conduct or and also provides for t he MEN point of t he t ransfor m er.
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A 3 phase m ot or is easily put int o a reverse direct ion by sim ply swapping t wo supply cables I ncor rect phase sequence... a good idea if y ou w ant t o dest roy what ev er m ot or you are running
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I ncor rect phase sequence... a good idea if y ou w ant t o dest roy what ev er m ot or you are running Act ually he is cor rect . A t hree phase m ot or is r ev er sed by swapping 2 of t he phases ar ound.
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Act ually he is cor rect I 'm not disput ing t he t heory of swapping phases will m ak e t he m ot or t ur n in t he reverse, I 'm disupt ing act ually doing it ... y ou will hav e an incor rect phase sequence, t he m ot or will t urn t he wr ong way and bur n out t he brushes/ seize up. Ther e ar e som e except ions but gener ally it w ill wr eck t he m ot or.
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t he m ot or will t urn t he wr ong way and bur n out t he brushes/ seize up. There ar e som e except ions but gener ally it will w reck t he m ot or. You'r e m or e likely t o dam age t he equipm ent it is connect ed t o, but in m ost cases t he equipm ent sim ply w on't funct ion, eg hydr aulic equipm ent using a 3ph pum p.
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Hi all! I had m y house built wit h 3 - phase power since t he builder said I w ould need it if I want in inst all split s in m y house. But really hav e no idea w het her it 's really has, only a wr it t en confir m at ion fr om t he builder t hat t hey have done it . I s t here any way I could check ? I was reading t his t hread and saw som e have 3 m et ers, while I only see 1 m et er in m y house. I s t hat alr eady a red flag?
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I s t here any way I could check ? Do you hav e overhead pow er cables? I f so how m any seperat e w ir es com ing int o your house? Ours looks like t his wit h 4 = 3 phase: ht t p: / / ww w.flickr .com / phot os/ m ichaelandlouise/ 8166130375/ in/ phot ost ream
( ht t p: / / w w w .flickr .com / phot os/ m ichaelandlouise/ 8166130375/ in/ phot ost r eam )
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Do you hav e overhead pow er cables? No, I do not have any. I live in a new est at e and I t hink all pow er cables r un under .
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Can you t ell m y looking at t he cir cuit breakers? The 3 phase boards at t he office are 3 in 1 t hree br eak er s linked t oget her. The m et er should be labelled single or t hr ee phase.
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You'r e m or e likely t o dam age t he equipm ent it is connect ed t o, but in m ost cases t he equipm ent sim ply w on't funct ion, eg hydr aulic equipm ent using a 3ph pum p. This St andar d 'squir rel cage' 3 phase m ot ors are designed t o be reversed. I t s only gonna cause dam age if it s driving direct ion sensit ive equipm ent . Also st andard 3 phase m ot ors don't hav e brushes. That 's DC m ot ors ( or a slip ring induct ion m ot or but t hey 're not very com m on t hese days)
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The 3 phase boards at t he office ar e 3 in 1 t hree br eak er s link ed t oget her The m et er should be labelled single or t hr ee phase. I 'll t ak e a pict ur e w hen I go hom e t onight . I had som e few pr oblem s w it h t he builder, and m y confidence wit h t hem is r unning r eally low. As an exam ple, I asked t o have alum inum flyscreens t o all open - able window s. When we checked dur ing pre- handover , none of it w er e inst alled.
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No, I do not have any. I live in a new est at e and I t hink all pow er cables r un under . The cable r uns up behind t he wall and connect s t o t he m et er. I n t he m et er box , t here should be 3 fuse block s if t hey ar e 3 - phase. Also new m et er should have 3 red light s indicat ing all 3 - phases are liv e
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Can you t ell m y looking at t he cir cuit breakers? The 3 phase boards at t he office are 3 in 1 t hree br eak er s linked t oget her. Pict ures of single, double and t hr ee- pole swit ches her e ht t p: / / updat es.clipsal.com / ClipsalOnline/ Thum bView.aspx? sear chMode= group&level= 4&code= 30002&ref= &sk ip= 0&first = 30
( ht t p: / / updat es.clipsal.com / ClipsalOnline/ Thum bView.aspx? searchMode= group&level= 4&code= 30002&ref= &skip= 0&first = 30)
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I f you're on 3 phase, your m ain isolat or sw it ch should be a 3 pole one.

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not r eally Well yeah, it 's m ore t echnical t han how i explained it but it s basically corr ect . Delt a configur at ions need no neut ral ev er yt hing is balanced. Why are only t hr ee wires needed? because ( sim plifying it her e) t he flow is phase t o phase and so on, not phase t o neut r al. So t he phases are sort of act ing as a ret ur n line in a w ay.
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I s t here any way I could check ? Look in y our board, you should have 3 large black fuses ( look like black box es) , t owar ds t he t op of t he box . You m ay alw ays not ice 3 differ ent colour ed w ir es going int o each, whit e, blue and r ed. You will also have a differ ent m ain swit ch which is designed t o cont r ol all 3 phases ay once, but t his will be harder for y ou t o spot . Look for t he fuses.
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3 Phase can be up t o 50am ps or m ore a nor m al out let is 240v/ 10am p = 2400 w at t s of pow er dr aw. 32am p single phase out let s are available. ht t p: / / ww w.elect riciansupplies.com .au/ shop/ index.php? m ain_page= product _info&cPat h= 55 9_324_133&pr oduct s_id= 612
( ht t p: / / w w w .elect r iciansupplies.com .au/ shop/ index.php? m ain_page= product _info&cPat h= 559_324_133&pr oduct s_id= 612)
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nat23q
I s t here any way I could check ? Most sim ple way is check how m any serv ice fuses t here are... 3 fuses 3 phase. They look lik e black box es r oughly t he size of a deck of car ds ( L x H, dept h m uch bigger) The link below is t he side v iew of one ht t p: / / ww w.ebay .com .au/ it m / Serv ice- Fuse- Back - Wir ed- Ant i- I nt r usionCar t ridge- NEW- / 190395009302 ( ht t p: / / ww w .ebay.com .au/ it m / Service- Fuse- Back- Wired
- Ant i- I nt rusion- Cart ridge- NEW- / 190395009302)
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32am p single phase out let s are available. They are m eant for indust rial applicat ions i've nev er seen one inst alled in a house, norm al appliance plugs do not fit in t hose. Ev en t hough t hey are single phase you w ouldn't call t hem a " norm al out let " like t he post er you quot ed was referr ing t o. You would need t o inst all heavy dut y cir cuit and swit chboar d upgrades t o fit one of t hem .
reference: whr l.pl/ Rdr ECL post ed 2013Jan- 22, 3pm AEST edit ed 2013Jan- 22, 3pm AEST reference: whr l.pl/ RdrFzN post ed 2013Jan- 22, 7pm AEST edit ed 2013Jan- 22, 7pm AEST
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They are m eant for indust rial applicat ions i've nev er seen one inst alled in a house No m or e so t han a 3 phase out let . 6m m cable a 32am p cb and bob's your uncle. I 'm pret t y sur e we have 3 phase.... w hen som eone 5 houses down were chopping t rees down and it fell on a pow er line ( was like fir ewor ks and t hey werent licenced) we had no air con and no ov en and st ov e. every t hing else worked fine every one else in t he st eet had no power at all, so m aybe we wer e get t ing j ust one phase? I have no idea also but down in t he shed if som eone is using t he welder it flickers our light s indoors quit e badly, however t v, int ernet , et c every t hing else st ays on.
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6m m cable a 32am p cb and bob's your uncle. Assum ing t he t ot al load of ev er yt hing com bined isnt now t oo m uch. You can't j ust add circuit aft er cir cuit ( including t he br eak er s) . Event ually t here is t oo m uch load all up. But yes, t hat s basically it . What would you use it for t hough?
reference: whr l.pl/ RdrF29 post ed 2013Jan- 22, 9pm AEST
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Assum ing t he t ot al load of ev er yt hing com bined isnt now t oo m uch. You can't j ust add circuit aft er cir cuit ( including t he br eak er s) . Event ually t here is t oo m uch load all up. Of course y ou have t o st ay below t he m ain breaker r at ing. Assum ing an 80A ser vice a 32A cir cuit could well be feasible. What would you use it for t hough? We have a few 32A single phase welders at work .
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Pict ures of single, double and t hr ee- pole swit ches her e ht t p: / / updat es.clipsal.com / ClipsalOnline/ Thum bView.aspx ? sear chMode= group&level= 4&code= 30002&ref= &sk ip= 0&first = 30
( ht t p: / / updat es.clipsal.com / ClipsalOnline/ Thum bView.aspx? searchMode= group&level= 4&code= 30002&ref= &skip= 0&first = 30)
I f you're on 3 phase, your m ain isolat or sw it ch should be a 3 pole one. I looked at m y board and I have 3 gr oups of circuit br eak er sw it ches, I j ust forgot t o t ak e a pict ur e.
reference: whrl.pl/ RdrGI h post ed 2013Jan- 23, 8am AEST
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