#EYTalking Summary DfE

EYTalking 22nd January 2014 Co-hosted by Department for Education
EYTalking @EYTalking Welcome Olivia McLeod, the Director of Childcare and Early Years at the @educationgovuk #EYTalking Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @EYTalking @educationgovuk @Nick_at_Parenta Welcome all EY Tweeps Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @nurserysarah @EYTalking @educationgovuk @Nick_at_Parenta hello everyone (((waves))) and well done @LauraChildcare for setting this up. Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico Hi Olivia @EYTalking @educationgovuk good to have you with us :-) EYTalking @EYTalking Hi Olivia please can you share your questions @educationgovuk #EYTalking EYTalking @EYTalking Folks please share your thoughts, questions & comments. #EYTalking Janeevans @janeparenting @EYTalking #earlyyrears needs to have solid understanding of effects of early #trauma such as #domesticabuse on #development & safeguarding? DfE @educationgovuk Welcome to all followers of #EYTalking. Looking forward to a great discussion! pic.twitter.com/skrMMLPLQh Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs @educationgovuk So, where shall we start? #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk What are your thoughts on #2yo in schools Is that the best place for them? #eytalking DfE @educationgovuk @signoramac We're working wtih 49 schools on this, early signs interesting and positive! #EYTalking Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs @signoramac @educationgovuk Parents need options. freedom of choice, & accessibility but do schools have the #EY Skills - Arguably not Simona McKenzie @signoramac @educationgovuk We are aware of that Why you think is school best for these very young children? #eytalking Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @courteneyccs @signoramac @educationgovuk don't understand why you want to work top down and not support the sector you have #EYTalking
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Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico I'd like to ask why it is felt that schools are worthy of a 10,000 grant for having 2 yr olds @courteneyccs @educationgovuk #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @signoramac a range of support for all kinds of providers is there, from Ofsted to LAs. Key thing is they have support needed #EYTalking Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk @trussliz comments in Sunday papers that schools could offer quality for 2yos because of graduate leaders. So do PVIs! Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs @signoramac @educationgovuk Been approached by numerous schools over the past few years seeking to outsource #EY provision #SkillShortage Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk surely investing in quality providers would be more beneficial? #EYTalking Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico When as a PVI provider we cannot even dream of this kind of financial support @courteneyccs @educationgovuk #EYTalking Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk @signoramac my sense is that both childminders and voluntary run settings are under supported at the moment. #EYTalking 'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY @MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk surely investing in quality providers would be more beneficial? #EYTalking ABSOLUTELY Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk childminders are the closest you can get to a 'home' environment and great value for money. DfE @educationgovuk @signoramac Not better, but as good? Evidence shows graduate led provision is important. #EYTalking. Choice is for parents to make. Simona McKenzie @signoramac @MissHWilliamsxx @educationgovuk If funding was higher many more providers would offer places especially #CMs #sustainability #EYTalking Haslemere Museum @haslemeremuseum @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk #eytalking 2yo in schools? Should 4yo be in school would be my question, definitely not 2yo Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx @Sue_Cowley @signoramac @educationgovuk completely agree!
'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY RT @educationgovuk: @Sue_Cowley Agree, it's distinct - but critical part of child's lifelong outcomes #EYTalking Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk If looking for best practice, why did you totally disregard the Nutbrown Review?? City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @courteneyccs @nurserysarah @educationgovuk But the funding will never present itself if the model isn't sustainable! #EYtalking Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx @SarahFilPortico @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs @PorticoNicole ours has had to ask us for help and practitioner as they are so short staffed!! Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk And why does Liz Truss feel need to go to France or Singapore to look for good practice? Listen to your own sector first! Haslemere Museum @haslemeremuseum @laralexus @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk Because in EY settings concentrate on EY & have specialist staff #EYtalking DfE @educationgovuk @nurserysarah We will be consulting on more changes to get more money to front line. #EYTalking more news soon Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk purpose built provision been closed down, not used to full potential & now funding to build in schools #EYTalking Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico Exactly @MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk - staff training, resources, cover for senco, CP meetings. Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYTalking Appreciate localism is the current fashion but LAs need more than encouragement to pass on funding in EYE Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @JeniHooper @chris_barnham @educationgovuk #EYTalking Lots of research since on impact of EYPs takes time to gather evidence, show impact Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx @SarahFilPortico @signoramac @educationgovuk we just aren't being invested in! Frontline is in need of funding and support from those above Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie

@educationgovuk @nurserysarah #EYTalking Good to hear, but then you need to listen to the results (Nutbrown, again) or else lowers morale Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk #EYtalking I look forward to being consulted, as I'm sure many PVI settings do DfE @educationgovuk @CityCallingXtra Totally agree, we are looking at what business advice is available #EYTalking City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk #EYtalking Agreed if you need support, there may be an opportunity for us to work together on http://www.citycalling.com Lupo @laralexus @haslemeremuseum @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk so do we! 'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY @educationgovuk @nurserysarah We will be consulting on more changes to get more money to front line. #EYTalking more news soonMW PROPOSALS? Lupo @laralexus @haslemeremuseum #EYTalking @educationgovuk plus we were pre and post inspected to ensure appropriate. Same ofsted framework as settings. Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs @CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Evidence ofsustainable business impacted on due to funding: creating unsustainable business! EYTalking @EYTalking 1st question from @educationgovuk #EYTalking how to encourage schools to offer more Early Years Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @EYTalking Why is there so much emphasis on schools providing for 2 yos - why not PVIs? Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @EYTalking @educationgovuk we offer child are from 2year olds the impact is fantastic EYTalking @EYTalking @EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk what type of setting are you? #EYTalking 'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY @EYTalking #eytalking - are there any schools listening/talking about this subject tonight? I don't think schools should be considering... Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @EYTalking @educationgovuk large primary school 2yr olds to yr 6 Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5

@EYTalking @educationgovuk the language skills develop at a faster pace and continuity is watablished FamilyChildcareTrust @FamChildTrust @EYTalking @educationgovuk Surely, with pressure on places, schools are only a small part of solution. Bring in high quality childminders EYTalking @EYTalking and out-of-school childcare, including in partnership with PVI providers 2/2 Janeevans @janeparenting @EYTalking #earlyyrears needs to have solid understanding of effects of early #trauma such as #domesticabuse on #development & safeguarding DfE @educationgovuk Hi everyone, nice to be here! #EYTalking City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk Good to have you! Edward Moss @steddyeddy @educationgovuk ..... and nice to have you along - thanks for joining us all Claire Lowery @clairewiththere @educationgovuk thanks for stopping by :) #eytalking DfE @educationgovuk What do we think about the best ways to get schools more involved with the early years? City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk @EYTalking Schools need to encourage part time classes for both parent and child #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @CityCallingXtra Agreed - schools need to respond to families needs #EYTalking Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk #EYTalking Should schools be involved in EY? They have no training, no experience, wrong equipment and diff attitude City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk @EYTalking #EYTalking Schools are a place to learn and this should never be forgotten. Keep it simple. Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley Can I ask what roles the @educationgovuk feels different providers can play within the sector and what support each should get? #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley really keen to see a wide range of providers so parents have lots of choice #EYTalking
Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Parental choice v important, but funding rates for ALL settings including schools should be fair and adequate for quality Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @EYTalking Why is there so much emphasis on schools providing for 2 yos - why not PVIs? Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @nurserysarah @EYTalking @educationgovuk @Nick_at_Parenta hello everyone (((waves))) and well done @LauraChildcare for setting this up. Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @EYTalking @educationgovuk we offer child are from 2year olds the impact is fantastic EYTalking @EYTalking @EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk what type of setting are you? #EYTalking Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @EYTalking @educationgovuk large primary school 2yr olds to yr 6 Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @EYTalking @educationgovuk the language skills develop at a faster pace and continuity is watablished EYTalking @EYTalking @EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk what type of setting are you? #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk What are your thoughts on #2yo in schools Is that the best place for them? #eytalking DfE @educationgovuk @signoramac We're working wtih 49 schools on this, early signs interesting and positive! #EYTalking Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs @signoramac @educationgovuk Parents need options. freedom of choice, & accessibility but do schools have the #EY Skills - Arguably not Simona McKenzie @signoramac @educationgovuk We are aware of that Why you think is school best for these very young children? #eytalking Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @courteneyccs @signoramac @educationgovuk don't understand why you want to work top down and not support the sector you have #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @signoramac a range of support for all kinds of providers is there, from Ofsted to LAs. Key thing is they have support needed #EYTalking
Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk @trussliz comments in Sunday papers that schools could offer quality for 2yos because of graduate leaders. So do PVIs! Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs @signoramac @educationgovuk Been approached by numerous schools over the past few years seeking to outsource #EY provision #SkillShortage Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk surely investing in quality providers would be more beneficial? #EYTalking Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk @signoramac my sense is that both childminders and voluntary run settings are under supported at the moment. #EYTalking 'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY @MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk surely investing in quality providers would be more beneficial? #EYTalking ABSOLUTELY Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk childminders are the closest you can get to a 'home' environment and great value for money. DfE @educationgovuk @signoramac Not better, but as good? Evidence shows graduate led provision is important. #EYTalking. Choice is for parents to make. Simona McKenzie @signoramac @MissHWilliamsxx @educationgovuk If funding was higher many more providers would offer places especially #CMs #sustainability #EYTalking Haslemere Museum @haslemeremuseum @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk #eytalking 2yo in schools? Should 4yo be in school would be my question, definitely not 2yo Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx @Sue_Cowley @signoramac @educationgovuk completely agree! Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk @signoramac the evidence you refer to is for older children + funding is very different #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @MissHWilliamsxx We're incentivising quality provision, eg two year old entitlement is only for good/outstanding providers #EYTalking Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley We should be helping parents understand what is in the child's best interests
Lupo @laralexus @signoramac @EYTalking @courteneyccs @educationgovuk ours are very happy and progressing extremely well developmentally. James Williams @edujdw @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley except when they overwhelmingly vote against academisation. Then it's just tough luck, we academise anyway. Lupo @laralexus @haslemeremuseum @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk why? DfE @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs Childrens centres are an option but main role is to support families and signpost to childcare #EYTalking Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk #EYTalking if graduate led important, why not subsidise it or have better career options when graduates leave? Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico Our children's centre can't even signpost to us and we provide daycare inside !!!! @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs #eytalking @PorticoNicole Jeni Hooper @JeniHooper @chris_barnham @educationgovuk thanks Chris. Good to see it is EY specific not random like Marine Zoology #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley Agree, it's distinct - but critical part of child's lifelong outcomes #EYTalking Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk If looking for best practice, why did you totally disregard the Nutbrown Review?? Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx @SarahFilPortico @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs @PorticoNicole ours has had to ask us for help and practitioner as they are so short staffed!! Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk And why does Liz Truss feel need to go to France or Singapore to look for good practice? Listen to your own sector first! Haslemere Museum @haslemeremuseum @laralexus @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk Because in EY settings concentrate on EY & have specialist staff #EYtalking Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs

@educationgovuk purpose built provision been closed down, not used to full potential & now funding to build in schools #EYTalking Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico Exactly @MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk - staff training, resources, cover for senco, CP meetings. Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @JeniHooper @chris_barnham @educationgovuk #EYTalking Lots of research since on impact of EYPs takes time to gather evidence, show impact Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx @SarahFilPortico @signoramac @educationgovuk we just aren't being invested in! Frontline is in need of funding and support from those above Lupo @laralexus @haslemeremuseum @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk so do we! Lupo @laralexus @haslemeremuseum #EYTalking @educationgovuk plus we were pre and post inspected to ensure appropriate. Same ofsted framework as settings. Janeevans @janeparenting #EYtalking My article Recognising signs of #trauma in #earlyyears #children for @SafeguardingOE out Thursday Should come under #safeguarding 'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY @EYTalking #eytalking - are there any schools listening/talking about this subject tonight? I don't think schools should be considering... Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @EYTalking @educationgovuk large primary school 2yr olds to yr 6 FamilyChildcareTrust @FamChildTrust @EYTalking @educationgovuk Surely, with pressure on places, schools are only a small part of solution. Bring in high quality childminders City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk @EYTalking Schools need to encourage part time classes for both parent and child #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @CityCallingXtra Agreed - schools need to respond to families needs #EYTalking City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk @EYTalking #EYtalking The early years are the most important for learning. Here we learn the fundamentals to everything! 'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY

@CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk @EYTalking #EYtalking the long term result is what should be considered ..... making children fit IS... Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @EYTalking @educationgovuk the language skills develop at a faster pace and continuity is watablished EYTalking @EYTalking folks please can you remember to use the hash tag - #EYTalking - Thanks @educationgovuk Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico I'd like to ask why it is felt that schools are worthy of a 10,000 grant for having 2 yr olds @courteneyccs @educationgovuk #EYTalking Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico When as a PVI provider we cannot even dream of this kind of financial support @courteneyccs @educationgovuk #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @SarahFilPortico so learning can be shared - here's our reasoning: http://ow.ly/sMKL6 #EYTalking Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk #EYTalking 'Many authorities have placed childrens centres at the heart of their two-year-old programme' p.35 so Y closing? DfE @educationgovuk @SarahFilPortico we know it's challenging but are making changes to take money to front line #EYTalking Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk @SarahFilPortico Where might I access this in my PVI setting? Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk I see challenge of getting funding to front line, but this must be sorted before more funding rolled out #EYTalking Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico Supporting other schools - yes @educationgovuk but developing resources&staff training that'd be nice. feels like we are not valued to me Simona McKenzie @signoramac @nurserysarah @educationgovuk More funding to #frontline is now #rhetoric it is not happening #EYTalking Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @signoramac @educationgovuk #EYTalking I don't agree, I sit on Schools Forum and LA knows it must pass more on, but must also meet stat duty

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYtalking Funding is secondary to a sustainable business plan. This is essential to gain future funding! Simona McKenzie @signoramac @SarahFilPortico @courteneyccs @educationgovuk No but funding that covers costs and reward us would be effective #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Many #LAs refuse to up funding It has been the same for years #EYTalking Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico How about our LA schools forum @PorticoNicole @signoramac @nurserysarah @educationgovuk do early years issues get listened too? #EYTalking Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs @CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk I disagree. Long term sustainable business could falter due to lack of FEF funding #Monopsony City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @courteneyccs @nurserysarah @educationgovuk But the funding will never present itself if the model isn't sustainable! #EYtalking DfE @educationgovuk @nurserysarah We will be consulting on more changes to get more money to front line. #EYTalking more news soon Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYTalking Appreciate localism is the current fashion but LAs need more than encouragement to pass on funding in EYE Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk @nurserysarah #EYTalking Good to hear, but then you need to listen to the results (Nutbrown, again) or else lowers morale Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk #EYtalking I look forward to being consulted, as I'm sure many PVI settings do DfE @educationgovuk @CityCallingXtra Totally agree, we are looking at what business advice is available #EYTalking City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk #EYtalking Agreed if you need support, there may be an opportunity for us to work together on http://www.citycalling.com 'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY @educationgovuk @nurserysarah We will be consulting on more changes to get more money to front line. #EYTalking more news soonMW PROPOSALS?
Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs @CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Evidence ofsustainable business impacted on due to funding: creating unsustainable business! Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs @signoramac @educationgovuk Parents need options. freedom of choice, & accessibility but do schools have the #EY Skills - Arguably not Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @courteneyccs @signoramac @educationgovuk don't understand why you want to work top down and not support the sector you have #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley Getting more money to the front line e.g childminders can now access free entitlement money #EYTalking Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Will primary school teachers be required to study additional module to 'teach' 2 yos? hope the playing field will be level? Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk that doesn't answer the question - the EY sector should be seen as a separate phase because it is #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley Some #LAs are still insisting on extra #conditions for CMs #EYtalking Suzanne @suedozz @signoramac @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley take them to task. We have in Liverpool. #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley Agree, it's distinct - but critical part of child's lifelong outcomes #EYTalking Rea @rea34105 @EASYsol4NURSERY @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley why was 'but' inserted? Sounds like you're saying current EY provision is lacking on some way Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @courteneyccs @signoramac @educationgovuk don't understand why you want to work top down and not support the sector you have #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley Getting more money to the front line e.g childminders can now access free entitlement money #EYTalking

Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk that doesn't answer the question - the EY sector should be seen as a separate phase because it is #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley Some #LAs are still insisting on extra #conditions for CMs #EYtalking Suzanne @suedozz @signoramac @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley take them to task. We have in Liverpool. #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley Agree, it's distinct - but critical part of child's lifelong outcomes #EYTalking 'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY RT @educationgovuk: @Sue_Cowley Agree, it's distinct - but critical part of child's lifelong outcomes #EYTalking Rea @rea34105 @EASYsol4NURSERY @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley why was 'but' inserted? Sounds like you're saying current EY provision is lacking on some way DfE @educationgovuk @signoramac a range of support for all kinds of providers is there, from Ofsted to LAs. Key thing is they have support needed #EYTalking Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk @signoramac my sense is that both childminders and voluntary run settings are under supported at the moment. #EYTalking Nick Hague @educationbear @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk @signoramac Absolutely - sig pressure on childminders in particular DfE @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley We agree, we want to give parents choice #EYTalking Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley We should be helping parents understand what is in the child's best interests James Williams @edujdw @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley except when they overwhelmingly vote against academisation. Then it's just tough luck, we academise anyway. Simona McKenzie @signoramac @educationgovuk We are aware of that Why you think is school best for these very young children? #eytalking Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx

@signoramac @educationgovuk surely investing in quality providers would be more beneficial? #EYTalking EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY @MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk surely investing in quality providers would be more beneficial? #EYTalking ABSOLUTELY Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk childminders are the closest you can get to a 'home' environment and great value for money. DfE @educationgovuk @signoramac Not better, but as good? Evidence shows graduate led provision is important. #EYTalking. Choice is for parents to make. Simona McKenzie @signoramac @MissHWilliamsxx @educationgovuk If funding was higher many more providers would offer places especially #CMs #sustainability #EYTalking Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx @Sue_Cowley @signoramac @educationgovuk completely agree! Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk @signoramac the evidence you refer to is for older children + funding is very different #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @MissHWilliamsxx We're incentivising quality provision, eg two year old entitlement is only for good/outstanding providers #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @MissHWilliamsxx @educationgovuk How will schools provide 8-6pm? #wraparoundcare is not possibly going to be done by teachers? #EYTalking Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk If chancellor has his way & min wage rises to 7 per hr, will funding for 2 yos rise in line with this? #qualitycosts Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx @educationgovuk my setting has the 2yr funding but we need the support and funds to keep up the quality care for them. #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @educationgovuk @MissHWilliamsxx But the funding is far too low to sustain us #EYTalking Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk Was Children's Centres not discuss an an option for delivery? Many closing down or no longer have childcare? #EYTalking Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx

@signoramac @educationgovuk that 2yrs funding doesn't go far!! #EYTalking Jeni Hooper @JeniHooper @educationgovuk @signoramac link to evidence on impact of graduate led provision in EY would be helpful thanks. #eytalking chris barnham @chris_barnham @JeniHooper @educationgovuk link not to hand, but google Sylva et al, Effective provision of pre-school for evidence grad ldrshp #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs Childrens centres are an option but main role is to support families and signpost to childcare #EYTalking Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk #EYTalking if graduate led important, why not subsidise it or have better career options when graduates leave? Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico Our children's centre can't even signpost to us and we provide daycare inside !!!! @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs #eytalking @PorticoNicole Jeni Hooper @JeniHooper @chris_barnham @educationgovuk thanks Chris. Good to see it is EY specific not random like Marine Zoology #EYTalking Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk If looking for best practice, why did you totally disregard the Nutbrown Review?? Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx @SarahFilPortico @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs @PorticoNicole ours has had to ask us for help and practitioner as they are so short staffed!! Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk And why does Liz Truss feel need to go to France or Singapore to look for good practice? Listen to your own sector first! Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk purpose built provision been closed down, not used to full potential & now funding to build in schools #EYTalking Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico Exactly @MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk - staff training, resources, cover for senco, CP meetings. Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @JeniHooper @chris_barnham @educationgovuk #EYTalking Lots of research since on impact of EYPs takes time to gather evidence, show impact

Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx @SarahFilPortico @signoramac @educationgovuk we just aren't being invested in! Frontline is in need of funding and support from those above Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk link with PVI's close to schools to see if they would like to extend their provision #EYTalking Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie #EYTalking Can you give reassurance that Early Years Teacher (EYP) will continue? Will it be equivalent to QTS in pay & conditions? Jo Newland @JoNewland @kathybrodie I think there should be set pay banding for levels of qualification. People spend years in Uni to remain on the same pay..... Jo Newland @JoNewland @kathybrodie ..... It's no wonder all of the talented people leave private nurseries Amii Spark @faitaveclecoeur @kathybrodie Due to that Q I decided to do Montessori teaching diploma, specialist and well viewed world wide without politics DfE @educationgovuk @kathybrodie EYP are critical, that's why we recruited 25% more last year #EYTalking Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk #EYTalking Good to hear, but financial support for CPD withdrawn, no support for networks, lack of longterm strategy Janeevans @janeparenting @educationgovuk #EYTalking Do EYP have robust training in #attachment, early #brain development & effects of #trauma? Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs @janeparenting @educationgovuk can't speak for others but I do! :) #EYTalking Janeevans @janeparenting @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk That's great to hear I am not sure that its widespread? Rhiannon McCarthy @Rhi_McC @janeparenting @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk University of South Wales Caerleon campus teach the above! EY is a big aspect in most jobs Janeevans @janeparenting @Rhi_McC @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk Great! #attachment #brain development #trauma effects should be foundation of #earlyyears #EYTalking Jo Newland @JoNewland @janeparenting @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk out company runs an EYP network where they teach these things but not everyone is as lucky
Janeevans @janeparenting @JoNewland @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk fantastic to hear :0) Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk need to understand that EY setting is not the same as school (I have worked in both, a clear difference) #EYTalkin Haslemere Museum @haslemeremuseum @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk surely a good reason for not sending kids to school at just 4yrs Vicky @Llamagretch @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk our schl has nursery. Teachers can be & are moved anywhere between N & yr 6. > Vicky @Llamagretch @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk > a move to nursery is always the biggest learning curve. Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk: What do we think about the best ways to get schools more involved with the early years? #EYTalking Emma Harris @lilcaterpillars If the aim is to increase the no. of cms - what calibre of cm is being sought? or is quantity more important? #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @lilcaterpillars quality is key, role of CMA is to strengthen quality assurance #EYTalking Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk surely investing in quality providers would be more beneficial? #EYTalking 'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY @MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk surely investing in quality providers would be more beneficial? #EYTalking ABSOLUTELY Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk childminders are the closest you can get to a 'home' environment and great value for money. Simona McKenzie @signoramac @MissHWilliamsxx @educationgovuk If funding was higher many more providers would offer places especially #CMs #sustainability #EYTalking Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx @Sue_Cowley @signoramac @educationgovuk completely agree! DfE @educationgovuk @MissHWilliamsxx We're incentivising quality provision, eg two year old entitlement is only for good/outstanding providers #EYTalking
Simona McKenzie @signoramac @MissHWilliamsxx @educationgovuk How will schools provide 8-6pm? #wraparoundcare is not possibly going to be done by teachers? #EYTalking Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk If chancellor has his way & min wage rises to 7 per hr, will funding for 2 yos rise in line with this? #qualitycosts Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx @educationgovuk my setting has the 2yr funding but we need the support and funds to keep up the quality care for them. #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @educationgovuk @MissHWilliamsxx But the funding is far too low to sustain us #EYTalking Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk that 2yrs funding doesn't go far!! #EYTalking Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico Exactly @MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk - staff training, resources, cover for senco, CP meetings. Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx @SarahFilPortico @signoramac @educationgovuk we just aren't being invested in! Frontline is in need of funding and support from those above Chris Chivers @ChrisChivers2 @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley If some schools move to take 2 yr olds, inevitably the rest will follow; impact on other provision? #EYTalking Respected from Birth @SChristophy @ChrisChivers2 @EYTalking @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley schools can only take 2 year olds if their parents take them there. DfE @educationgovuk @ChrisChivers2 new free entitlement means room for lots of growth across whole sector #EYTalking Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Amount of time spent on TAC conferences and family support meetings with 2yos is huge - how will schools support this too? Chris Chivers @ChrisChivers2 @educationgovuk Funding streams need to be clear and unambiguous, but also sustained, to allow secure future planning.#EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @ChrisChivers2 Agree - trying to simplify but we understand. Our commitment to early years is absolute.

Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico When as a PVI provider we cannot even dream of this kind of financial support @courteneyccs @educationgovuk #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @SarahFilPortico we know it's challenging but are making changes to take money to front line #EYTalking Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk @SarahFilPortico Where might I access this in my PVI setting? Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk I see challenge of getting funding to front line, but this must be sorted before more funding rolled out #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @nurserysarah @educationgovuk More funding to #frontline is now #rhetoric it is not happening #EYTalking Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @signoramac @educationgovuk #EYTalking I don't agree, I sit on Schools Forum and LA knows it must pass more on, but must also meet stat duty City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYtalking Funding is secondary to a sustainable business plan. This is essential to gain future funding! Simona McKenzie @signoramac @SarahFilPortico @courteneyccs @educationgovuk No but funding that covers costs and reward us would be effective #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Many #LAs refuse to up funding It has been the same for years #EYTalking Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico How about our LA schools forum @PorticoNicole @signoramac @nurserysarah @educationgovuk do early years issues get listened too? #EYTalking Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs @CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk I disagree. Long term sustainable business could falter due to lack of FEF funding #Monopsony City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @courteneyccs @nurserysarah @educationgovuk But the funding will never present itself if the model isn't sustainable! #EYtalking DfE @educationgovuk @nurserysarah We will be consulting on more changes to get more money to front line. #EYTalking more news soon

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYTalking Appreciate localism is the current fashion but LAs need more than encouragement to pass on funding in EYE Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk @nurserysarah #EYTalking Good to hear, but then you need to listen to the results (Nutbrown, again) or else lowers morale Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk #EYtalking I look forward to being consulted, as I'm sure many PVI settings do DfE @educationgovuk @CityCallingXtra Totally agree, we are looking at what business advice is available #EYTalking City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk #EYtalking Agreed if you need support, there may be an opportunity for us to work together on http://www.citycalling.com 'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY @educationgovuk @nurserysarah We will be consulting on more changes to get more money to front line. #EYTalking more news soonMW PROPOSALS? Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs @CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Evidence ofsustainable business impacted on due to funding: creating unsustainable business! Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk @signoramac my sense is that both childminders and voluntary run settings are under supported at the moment. #EYTalking Nick Hague @educationbear @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk @signoramac Absolutely - sig pressure on childminders in particular DfE @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley We agree, we want to give parents choice #EYTalking Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley We should be helping parents understand what is in the child's best interests James Williams @edujdw @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley except when they overwhelmingly vote against academisation. Then it's just tough luck, we academise anyway. Jacqui Burke @jacquiburkefp At my sch space is a big issue as intake was above PAN this yr & same predicted every yr 4 next 3. OOSC may lose their room #eytalking
EYTalking @EYTalking @jacquiburkefp That is shame as OOSC, CMs & daycare already have excellent before & school set up. @educationgovuk #EYTalking Haslemere Museum @haslemeremuseum @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk #eytalking 2yo in schools? Should 4yo be in school would be my question, definitely not 2yo Lupo @laralexus @haslemeremuseum @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk depends always on the provision not the the type of setting! Haslemere Museum @haslemeremuseum @laralexus @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk VERY true but generally an EY setting must be better for EY #EYtalking Lupo @laralexus @haslemeremuseum @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk why? Haslemere Museum @haslemeremuseum @laralexus @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk Because in EY settings concentrate on EY & have specialist staff #EYtalking Lupo @laralexus @haslemeremuseum @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk so do we! Lupo @laralexus @haslemeremuseum #EYTalking @educationgovuk plus we were pre and post inspected to ensure appropriate. Same ofsted framework as settings. Janeevans @janeparenting In week research shows big rise in #mentalillness for #children do we need to rethink focus of #earlyyears? More #emotions based? #EYTalking Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk #EYTalking Should schools be involved in EY? They have no training, no experience, wrong equipment and diff attitude Claire Lowery @clairewiththere @kathybrodie @educationgovuk not always true! Lots of schools value and celebrate the EY @Eastfield_Acad just one example! #EYTalking Jo Newland @JoNewland @kathybrodie @educationgovuk we try to involve the schools but as most have their own nurseries there not interested City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk Equip them, teach them, train them! #Simples
Amii Spark @faitaveclecoeur @kathybrodie @educationgovuk Need proper training on how to meet the needs of EY and reception kids, schools should be preschooler ready. Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @kathybrodie @educationgovuk I disagree lots of school have amazing ey provision and are influential to older years! Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk #EYTalking for 2 year olds?? Nappies?? Total Childcare @TCSchildcare @clairewiththere @EYTalking @ @educationgovuk.lots of good schools & lots of good providers...need a wide range of provision #EYTalking Suzanne @suedozz @TCSchildcare @clairewiththere @EYTalking @educationgovuk yes we do but we should all be on a level play field re funding etc. #EYTalking Laura G @Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk not forgetting that a lot of 2 yr old still need an afternoon nap! #EYTalking Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk #basics! Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk absolutely schools provide that! Laura G @Gold_Lol @EstherOConnor5 @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk our local school doesn't Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk it depends where I guess ours does and we offer a high quality care Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk fundamentally focusing on prime areas it is so great seeing hard to Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk reach families grow in a positive way! Claire Lowery @clairewiththere @kathybrodie @educationgovuk not always true! Lots of schools value and celebrate the EY @Eastfield_Acad just one example! #EYTalking Total Childcare @TCSchildcare

@clairewiththere @EYTalking @ @educationgovuk.lots of good schools & lots of good providers...need a wide range of provision #EYTalking Suzanne @suedozz @TCSchildcare @clairewiththere @EYTalking @educationgovuk yes we do but we should all be on a level play field re funding etc. #EYTalking Suzanne @suedozz @educationgovuk @signoramac I am a graduate childminder yet profession being dumbed down. Why? We offer some of the best care #EYTalking Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk If chancellor has his way & min wage rises to 7 per hr, will funding for 2 yos rise in line with this? #qualitycosts Chris Chivers @ChrisChivers2 @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk @EYTalking Pressure for formal teaching earlier? Needs to be broad, balanced and relevant EYFS. #EYTalking City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @ChrisChivers2 @educationgovuk @EYTalking Teaching doesn't have to be formal, just accessible! Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @ChrisChivers2 @EYTalking @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk exactly! Early years is still fresh in large primary schools! 'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY @ChrisChivers2 @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk @EYTalking They shouldn't b TAUGHT but nurturedas INDIVIDUALS-how can sks do that #EYTalking City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @EASYsol4NURSERY @ChrisChivers2 @educationgovuk @EYTalking Outside of the family structure, schools are the best position to nurture EY! Claire Lowery @clairewiththere @EstherOConnor5: @ChrisChivers2 @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk exactly! Early years is still fresh in large primary schools! #EYTalking Chris Chivers @ChrisChivers2 @EASYsol4NURSERY @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk @EYTalking Agree; nurturing individuals essential, in all settings. #EYTalking 'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY @ChrisChivers2 think a real lack of understanding of what this entails - chdn used as g.pigs - resource ey people in HOMELY environ... Chris Chivers @ChrisChivers2 @EASYsol4NURSERY Last tweet said exactly this; ensure quality provision. Chn should never be guinea pigs. #EYTalking
Gillian Bates @GillBates01 @nurserysarah @EYTalking @educationgovuk 2yo offer already underfunded, rising costs make it less attractive Beatrice Merrick @b_merrick #EYTalking @EYTalking How does @educationgovuk think we can best increase 2yo in schools while still raising quality? Poor qual worse than 0 Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk EY grads are good (if they have passion and aptitude) for early years but how can you support their pay in PVI? #EYTalking FamilyChildcareTrust @FamChildTrust Interesting discussion on getting schools to offer more nursery places for 2 year olds #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley Getting more money to the front line e.g childminders can now access free entitlement money #EYTalking Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Will primary school teachers be required to study additional module to 'teach' 2 yos? hope the playing field will be level? Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk that doesn't answer the question - the EY sector should be seen as a separate phase because it is #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley Some #LAs are still insisting on extra #conditions for CMs #EYtalking Suzanne @suedozz @signoramac @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley take them to task. We have in Liverpool. #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley Agree, it's distinct - but critical part of child's lifelong outcomes #EYTalking 'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY RT @educationgovuk: @Sue_Cowley Agree, it's distinct - but critical part of child's lifelong outcomes #EYTalking Rea @rea34105 @EASYsol4NURSERY @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley why was 'but' inserted? Sounds like you're saying current EY provision is lacking on some way Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @EYTalking We aim for 1 to 2 ratio for our funded 2 year olds - why did you try for a 1 to 6 ratio a year ago? #EYTalking
DfE @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley really keen to see a wide range of providers so parents have lots of choice #EYTalking Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Parental choice v important, but funding rates for ALL settings including schools should be fair and adequate for quality Chris Chivers @ChrisChivers2 @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley If some schools move to take 2 yr olds, inevitably the rest will follow; impact on other provision? #EYTalking Respected from Birth @SChristophy @ChrisChivers2 @EYTalking @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley schools can only take 2 year olds if their parents take them there. DfE @educationgovuk @ChrisChivers2 new free entitlement means room for lots of growth across whole sector #EYTalking Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Amount of time spent on TAC conferences and family support meetings with 2yos is huge - how will schools support this too? Chris Chivers @ChrisChivers2 @educationgovuk Funding streams need to be clear and unambiguous, but also sustained, to allow secure future planning.#EYTalking Lloyd Razemba @BO4C @educationgovuk @EYTalking @Sue_Cowley What's more important? More choice or more quality provision delivering the best outcomes for 2yo's? DfE @educationgovuk @ChrisChivers2 Agree - trying to simplify but we understand. Our commitment to early years is absolute. Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk #EYTalking 'Many authorities have placed childrens centres at the heart of their two-year-old programme' p.35 so Y closing? MissAileen @AileenAnne1 Better communication needs to be build between primary and early years teachers @educationgovuk #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @AileenAnne1 completely agree #EYTalking Laura Henry @LauraChildcare @educationgovuk - please can we have extra funding for Continuous Professional Development? #EYTalking
Claire Lowery @clairewiththere @EstherOConnor5: @ChrisChivers2 @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk exactly! Early years is still fresh in large primary schools! #EYTalking GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling #eytalking will these two year olds be funded they same as a 4/5 yr old? Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @GeoffBilling rate is around 5 per hour, although schools funded differently. #EYTalking GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley ah gov to school? EYFS is brilliant but I can't see anyone working for free! #EYTalking City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley Would that not be an opportunity for pregnant mothers to do part time work should they choose to? #EYTalking GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling @CityCallingXtra @Sue_Cowley I must of missed your meaning? Run these settings with pregnant woman and not pay them? #EYTalking City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley Obviously pay them. #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @GeoffBilling Funding is and will be higher for two year olds #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @educationgovuk @GeoffBilling Slightly and the drops to unacceptable levels at 3 #EYtalking GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling @CityCallingXtra @Sue_Cowley yes I suppose so then, but surely for any qualified group? Not sure pregnancy qualifies you! #EYTalking GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling @educationgovuk ta! #didntknow #EYTalking Hels @00sixpointfive @GeoffBilling @CityCallingXtra @Sue_Cowley are we talking about recruiting more people to EY? City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley Of course! Being pregnant doesn't qualify you but training needs to be available! You can't shirk on quality! City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra

@00sixpointfive @GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley We are talking about making it available to those that really need it! #EYtalking Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk that doesn't answer the question - the EY sector should be seen as a separate phase because it is #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley Agree, it's distinct - but critical part of child's lifelong outcomes #EYTalking Rea @rea34105 @EASYsol4NURSERY @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley why was 'but' inserted? Sounds like you're saying current EY provision is lacking on some way kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 #EYTalking @educationgovuk we need to be raising the school age not lowering it! Simona McKenzie @signoramac @kidsactiv8 @educationgovuk That would be a sure way to resolve the #childcare shortage #EYTalking Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk you are assuming it is based in formal ed?! Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk what about children with a lack of experience at home?#EYTalking kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk they are keeping them in EY settings. kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk most of my local schools are formalising Early Years not something I want for my 3 year old Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk I agree I support lots of schools as well as teach and can relate however ... Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk we need to keep influencing those that value purposeful and exploratory play! kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk if they follow the EYFS as they are meant to I have no issue, however schools think they know kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk .... Best and the EY sector is undervalued and unappreciated - glorified babysitters
Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk you would be surprised with some great practise that influences ks1&2 role play Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk check our my blog http://hoppinghillnursery.wordpress.com Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk disagree I think we are more valued than ever! CMB @catmab @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk But not all schools the same as not all PVI perfect. Many schools v good with EYFS. Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk the new curriculum for ks1&2 proves this creative curriculum! kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk and like the quality in EY settings it's not consistent. I just don't believe schools.... kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk ...are the right places for 2 year olds and I've yet to find anyone other.... kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk .... The gov who thinks so (sorry for rant) kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @catmab @eytalking @estheroconnor5 @educationgovuk I agree and the poor provisions either need support or need to close DfE @educationgovuk @SarahFilPortico we know it's challenging but are making changes to take money to front line #EYTalking Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk @SarahFilPortico Where might I access this in my PVI setting? Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk I see challenge of getting funding to front line, but this must be sorted before more funding rolled out #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @nurserysarah @educationgovuk More funding to #frontline is now #rhetoric it is not happening #EYTalking Sarah Steel @nurserysarah

@signoramac @educationgovuk #EYTalking I don't agree, I sit on Schools Forum and LA knows it must pass more on, but must also meet stat duty City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYtalking Funding is secondary to a sustainable business plan. This is essential to gain future funding! Simona McKenzie @signoramac @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Many #LAs refuse to up funding It has been the same for years #EYTalking Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico How about our LA schools forum @PorticoNicole @signoramac @nurserysarah @educationgovuk do early years issues get listened too? #EYTalking Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs @CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk I disagree. Long term sustainable business could falter due to lack of FEF funding #Monopsony City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @courteneyccs @nurserysarah @educationgovuk But the funding will never present itself if the model isn't sustainable! #EYtalking DfE @educationgovuk @nurserysarah We will be consulting on more changes to get more money to front line. #EYTalking more news soon Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYTalking Appreciate localism is the current fashion but LAs need more than encouragement to pass on funding in EYE Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk @nurserysarah #EYTalking Good to hear, but then you need to listen to the results (Nutbrown, again) or else lowers morale Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk #EYtalking I look forward to being consulted, as I'm sure many PVI settings do DfE @educationgovuk @CityCallingXtra Totally agree, we are looking at what business advice is available #EYTalking City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk #EYtalking Agreed if you need support, there may be an opportunity for us to work together on http://www.citycalling.com 'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY @educationgovuk @nurserysarah We will be consulting on more changes to get more money to front line. #EYTalking more news soonMW PROPOSALS?

Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs @CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Evidence ofsustainable business impacted on due to funding: creating unsustainable business! ue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk your funding for 2 year olds (5 p/h) only works with high ratios that EY sector refused to adopt #EYTalking Suzanne @suedozz @signoramac @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley take them to task. We have in Liverpool. #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @earlyyearscpd completely agree, really support those partnerships #EYTalking Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk @earlyyearscpd Partnerships would be good, esp understanding imp of 2yr needs but sustainability for PVI being challenged Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk I see challenge of getting funding to front line, but this must be sorted before more funding rolled out #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @nurserysarah @educationgovuk More funding to #frontline is now #rhetoric it is not happening #EYTalking Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @signoramac @educationgovuk #EYTalking I don't agree, I sit on Schools Forum and LA knows it must pass more on, but must also meet stat duty City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYtalking Funding is secondary to a sustainable business plan. This is essential to gain future funding! Simona McKenzie @signoramac @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Many #LAs refuse to up funding It has been the same for years #EYTalking Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico How about our LA schools forum @PorticoNicole @signoramac @nurserysarah @educationgovuk do early years issues get listened too? #EYTalking Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs @CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk I disagree. Long term sustainable business could falter due to lack of FEF funding #Monopsony City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @courteneyccs @nurserysarah @educationgovuk But the funding will never present itself if the model isn't sustainable! #EYtalking

DfE @educationgovuk @nurserysarah We will be consulting on more changes to get more money to front line. #EYTalking more news soon Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYTalking Appreciate localism is the current fashion but LAs need more than encouragement to pass on funding in EYE Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk @nurserysarah #EYTalking Good to hear, but then you need to listen to the results (Nutbrown, again) or else lowers morale Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk #EYtalking I look forward to being consulted, as I'm sure many PVI settings do DfE @educationgovuk @CityCallingXtra Totally agree, we are looking at what business advice is available #EYTalking City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk #EYtalking Agreed if you need support, there may be an opportunity for us to work together on http://www.citycalling.com 'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY @educationgovuk @nurserysarah We will be consulting on more changes to get more money to front line. #EYTalking more news soonMW PROPOSALS? Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs @CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Evidence ofsustainable business impacted on due to funding: creating unsustainable business! MissAileen @AileenAnne1 I know when I attended Uni we were always looked down from the primary teaching departments @educationgovuk #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @AileenAnne1 Really want to raise the status of EY professionals that's why entrance quals now higher #EYTalking Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk @AileenAnne1 To raise status of EYPs we must be able to raise pay #qualitycosts #EYTalking kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @educationgovuk @aileenanne1 they need to be recognised as so, not the poorer sister! MissAileen @AileenAnne1 @educationgovuk And increase publicity of BA (Hons) in early childhood studies and encourage more to do the courses :) #EYTalking

amy trowell @amyk21 @educationgovuk qualifications don't always = better practitioners. Nursing a good example of this. You don't need a degree to care. Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk @AileenAnne1 So why so much focus on apprentices? #EYTalking Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @nurserysarah: @educationgovuk @AileenAnne1 To raise status of EYPs we must be able to raise pay #qualitycosts #EYTalking totally agree Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk #EYTalking Quals raised are irrelevant GCSE Science - need more attachment, EY care, baby experience at entry, NOT science EYTalking @EYTalking @kathybrodie @educationgovuk More about how the individual connects with children, is top of the tree for me! #Attachments MissAileen @AileenAnne1 @EYTalking @kathybrodie @educationgovuk I agree there! I have learning difficulties, but have many unique quality skills 2 combat this MissAileen @AileenAnne1 @EYTalking @kathybrodie @educationgovuk It's not about what u have on paper, it's about what you do in practice #goodlifeexperience Shabang Theatre @shabangtheatre @kathybrodie @educationgovuk my son has down syndrome wants 2 work in EY but no hope of getting even first rung of quals ladder #notfair Sarah Green @SarahSarahg66 @educationgovuk @EYTalking Need to encourage schools to have EYPS/EYT as support in EYFS with appropriate pay. #quality MissAileen @AileenAnne1 @amyk21 @educationgovuk But u do need certain skills, experiences and access to quality resources, in order to increase confidence MissAileen @AileenAnne1 @amyk21 @educationgovuk From there u can gain better ideas of quality learning and how to seek support; confidence= competence Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk #EYTalking for 2 year olds?? Nappies?? Laura G @Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk not forgetting that a lot of 2 yr old still need an afternoon nap! #EYTalking

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk #basics! Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk absolutely schools provide that! Laura G @Gold_Lol @EstherOConnor5 @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk our local school doesn't Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk it depends where I guess ours does and we offer a high quality care Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk fundamentally focusing on prime areas it is so great seeing hard to Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk reach families grow in a positive way! City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk #EYTalking The key to it is opportunities to pregnant mothers. Part time work for pregnant mothers to teach EY! City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk @EYTalking #EYTalking I am completely behind raising awareness for EY and demanding action for funding! City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk @EYTalking It is 2014 and a lot of the time the provider is the single parent. We need to support them! #EYTalking Total Childcare @TCSchildcare @clairewiththere @EYTalking @ @educationgovuk.lots of good schools & lots of good providers...need a wide range of provision #EYTalking Suzanne @suedozz @TCSchildcare @clairewiththere @EYTalking @educationgovuk yes we do but we should all be on a level play field re funding etc. #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @janeparenting @educationgovuk They can't #vulnerable children need special care and low #ratios + home environment CMs are best #EYtalking DfE @educationgovuk @signoramac Really support home env. CMs but parents want a choice. #EYTalking Hels @00sixpointfive @educationgovuk @signoramac Problem is if all types of EY provision are not equally funded and supported, parents do not get a choice.
'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY @educationgovuk parents don't always make choices with their child first; convenience, cost, follow crowd Simona McKenzie @signoramac @educationgovuk Never met a parent in 20 years who want her 2 yo in school #EYTalking Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @signoramac think we should ask politicians to send their kids to school to prove it's a good idea? Nick Williams @Nick_at_Parenta #EYTalking Curious to know how many private providers will refuse to offer 2 yr old funded places? Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @Nick_at_Parenta #EYtalking No of PVI settings who will engage with 2YOs does depend on rates of funding. #qualitycosts DfE @educationgovuk @Nick_at_Parenta Gov't recommended national rate well above what providers get in the marketplace. Interesting question though. #EYTalking Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYTalking Govt rec rate for 2YOs is 5.19 I believe? Oxfordshire CC only get 5.14 per child, so how can they pay rec level Nick Williams @Nick_at_Parenta @educationgovuk Really? Do you know how market rates were established? Numbers don't seem to add up when we study our database. #EYTalking 'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY @nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYTalking Oxfordshire CC only get 5.14 per child, so how can they pay rec levelINVESTMENT & PLACES stiffled Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico We don't even get that @nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYTalking @PorticoNicole Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs @Nick_at_Parenta #EYTalking owners are compassionate & want to make a difference but for some delivery cost versus rate awarded prohibitive Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @SarahFilPortico @educationgovuk @PorticoNicole We don't get 5.14, only 5 because OCC worried about 'just in case' and future lower funds Nick Williams @Nick_at_Parenta @courteneyccs seems to be the case for most of our customers Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley

@Nick_at_Parenta @educationgovuk finger in the wind I reckon, relying on full occupancy and at limit of ratios, I'm going to blog on this Lloyd Razemba @BO4C @educationgovuk If this statement holds true for all providers 'in the marketplace' can you suggest a reason why providers are not up for it Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico Our rate is 4 something @nurserysarah @educationgovuk @PorticoNicole #eytalking Nick Williams @Nick_at_Parenta @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk Happy to provide real statistics from our invoicing database for genuine insight. Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs @SarahFilPortico @nurserysarah @educationgovuk @PorticoNicole ours is less than 5 too #EYTalking Nicole Politis @PorticoNicole @EYFS_lancs @SarahFilPortico @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Soon it will be the same as 3 year old FEYE !! Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs @educationgovuk Nurseries best place for very young children: purpose built facilities & expertise needed to care for Early Yrs #EYTalking chris barnham @chris_barnham not to hand, but google Sylva et al, Effective provision of pre-school for evidence grad ldrshp #EYTalking Jeni Hooper @JeniHooper @chris_barnham @educationgovuk thanks Chris. Good to see it is EY specific not random like Marine Zoology #EYTalking Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @JeniHooper @chris_barnham @educationgovuk #EYTalking Lots of research since on impact of EYPs takes time to gather evidence, show impact Jennifer Holly @EYplayandlearn @JeniHooper @EYTalking @chris_barnham @educationgovuk but does graduate led have to mean school? #EYTalking kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 #EYTalking a number of parents are looking to delay school entry till their child's 5th birthday #earlyyearsbest DfE @educationgovuk @kidsactiv8 We're aware and that's a parents' choice. Schools EY provision is nursery style not classroom #EYTalking

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 J @educationgovuk you would hope it is but it isn't. The children need the same environment as an EY setting with EY staff not TA's Jennifer Holly @EYplayandlearn @educationgovuk @earlyyearscpd @kidsactiv8 too much pressure from above in some schools for practitioners to maintain EY ethos. I've seen it kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EYplayandlearn @educationgovuk @earlyyearscpd I agree, targets maybe? Jennifer Holly @EYplayandlearn @kidsactiv8 @educationgovuk @earlyyearscpd in my exp absolutely. Links to NC outcomes and unrealistic expectations & understanding of child Tracey Everatt @Kingfisher_1985 @educationgovuk @earlyyearscpd @kidsactiv8 provision might be but are staff attitudes? Nursery class next to us don't seem to be. Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @Nick_at_Parenta #EYtalking No of PVI settings who will engage with 2YOs does depend on rates of funding. #qualitycosts Clare Jones @Ceedeejay27 My setting funded an EY graduate but once qualified she wanted to move on for better pay and opportunities #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @Ceedeejay27 Yes challenging, that's why we want to grow through apprentices and level 3 quals #EYTalking Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk Will schools need to have a Qualified Teacher in the setting to run the provision? #EYTalking kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk #EYTalking yes they do need a QTS so who pays? Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs @kidsactiv8 @educationgovuk so what about EYP/EYT who specialise in young ages? Would they not be best placed? #inequalities #EYTalking kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk they would be but without QTS wouldn't count - complete rubbish the difference is 6 months in a course kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk plus more specialised - I'm doing my EYT in September and already been told I would be the cheaper option

DfE @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs All children will have access to a qualified teacher #EYTalking Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs Do you mean qualified in 0 to 5 or 0 to 3 or some random primary subject? It may make a difference!! Suzanne @suedozz @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs which in turn sets schools apart from PVI. Unbalanced playing field. #EYTalking Hels @00sixpointfive @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs could you please clarify what 'access' means?
GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling @kathybrodie @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs true I'm trained 5-11 wouldst know where to start with 2 yr olds #EYTalking (I would a bit!) Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk Why not EYP/EYTs? Great opportunity to raise equal status as it was always meant to be? #EYTalking Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk #EYTalking It was what EPPE originally asked for but govt wouldn't fund it Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk QTS ok if 0-5 trained, but all EYP/EYT's are! Jo Newland @JoNewland @kathybrodie @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs I don't have QTS and manage my 3-5's just fine without it. Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk do you have any thoughts on this? DfE @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley We agree, we want to give parents choice #EYTalking Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley We should be helping parents understand what is in the child's best interests James Williams @edujdw @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley except when they overwhelmingly vote against academisation. Then it's just tough luck, we academise anyway. GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling

@Sue_Cowley ah gov to school? EYFS is brilliant but I can't see anyone working for free! #EYTalking City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley Would that not be an opportunity for pregnant mothers to do part time work should they choose to? #EYTalking GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling @CityCallingXtra @Sue_Cowley I must of missed your meaning? Run these settings with pregnant woman and not pay them? #EYTalking City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley Obviously pay them. #EYTalking GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling @CityCallingXtra @Sue_Cowley yes I suppose so then, but surely for any qualified group? Not sure pregnancy qualifies you! #EYTalking Hels @00sixpointfive @GeoffBilling @CityCallingXtra @Sue_Cowley are we talking about recruiting more people to EY? City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley Of course! Being pregnant doesn't qualify you but training needs to be available! You can't shirk on quality! City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @00sixpointfive @GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley We are talking about making it available to those that really need it! #EYtalking Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk what about children with a lack of experience at home?#EYTalking kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk they are keeping them in EY settings. EYTalking @EYTalking 2nd question from @educationgovuk how to encourage more childminders to enter the profession whether independently or as part of an agency Laura G @Gold_Lol @EYTalking @educationgovuk the question should be how to retain the c/ms we already have. We are v worried about agencies #EYTalking Clare Bailey @Clarelouisebod @Gold_Lol @EYTalking @educationgovuk I think many more will leave. Morale low #EYTalking

Laura G @Gold_Lol @Clarelouisebod @EYTalking @educationgovuk individual inspection is the key - the reason for agencies is a cost cutting exercise #EYTalking amy trowell @amyk21 @EYTalking don't force CMs to join agencies. They choose the children as much as the families choose them. A good CM is a precious thing. Clare Bailey @Clarelouisebod @EYTalking @educationgovuk CMs still don't have respect they deserve. Not seen as professionals by many #EYTalking Emma Harris @lilcaterpillars @Clarelouisebod @EYTalking @educationgovuk we've all worked so hard to change that just getting somewhere and then CMAs elizabeth shack @elizabethshack1 @Clarelouisebod I think our LA is already sold on the benefits of CM we have to work with parents to recognise their professionalism elizabeth shack @elizabethshack1 @EYTalking people need security usually takes 6-12mths to get children on roll long time with no income and then it goes up and down elizabeth shack @elizabethshack1 @EYTalking revise L&D requirements for those only caring for children under 2 IPPR research suggests attachment the most imp at this age GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling Also this stemmed from getting parents back to work or improving education or both?#EYTalking Chris Chivers @ChrisChivers2 @educationgovuk Funding streams need to be clear and unambiguous, but also sustained, to allow secure future planning.#EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @ChrisChivers2 Agree - trying to simplify but we understand. Our commitment to early years is absolute. Janeevans @janeparenting @educationgovuk #EYTalking Do EYP have robust training in #attachment, early #brain development & effects of #trauma? Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs @janeparenting @educationgovuk can't speak for others but I do! :) #EYTalking Janeevans @janeparenting @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk That's great to hear I am not sure that its widespread?

Rhiannon McCarthy @Rhi_McC @janeparenting @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk University of South Wales Caerleon campus teach the above! EY is a big aspect in most jobs Janeevans @janeparenting @Rhi_McC @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk Great! #attachment #brain development #trauma effects should be foundation of #earlyyears #EYTalking Jo Newland @JoNewland @janeparenting @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk out company runs an EYP network where they teach these things but not everyone is as lucky Janeevans @janeparenting @JoNewland @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk fantastic to hear :0) DfE @educationgovuk @kathybrodie Trials are showing positive results, lots for schools to learn from PVI #EYTalkin Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk @kathybrodie Positive results for who? #EYtalking Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk #EYTalking Schools could always learn from PVI, why only asking us now? Chris Chivers @ChrisChivers2 @educationgovuk @kathybrodie Communication is key to the success of any development venture. Ensure clear information available. #EYTalking 'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY @educationgovuk postive results for who? The CHILD should be at centre of practice parents don't always do this #eytalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk @kathybrodie QUITE! #eYtalking Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @kathybrodie because we wouldn't stay quiet and accept high ratios (sorry very cynical but schools more malleable?) Clare Bailey @Clarelouisebod @kathybrodie @educationgovuk Agree - not enough partnership working at present #EYTalking Jo Newland @JoNewland @kathybrodie @educationgovuk and why should we help them when they are taking away our 2 year olds for free places? Simona McKenzie @signoramac

@JoNewland @kathybrodie @educationgovuk What will #CMs be left with when 2yo in schools? Continuity will be broken for families #EYtalking Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @Sue_Cowley I was wondering if it was because there's now money on the table?! Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk @kathybrodie Positive results for who? #EYtalking Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk #EYTalking Good to hear, but financial support for CPD withdrawn, no support for networks, lack of longterm strategy ReSarah Steel @nurserysarah @signoramac @educationgovuk #EYTalking I don't agree, I sit on Schools Forum and LA knows it must pass more on, but must also meet stat duty Simona McKenzie @signoramac @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Many #LAs refuse to up funding It has been the same for years #EYTalking Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico How about our LA schools forum @PorticoNicole @signoramac @nurserysarah @educationgovuk do early years issues get listened too? #EYTalking Emma Harris @lilcaterpillars @educationgovuk @signoramac I agree with graduate led provision but that seems to contradict with CMAs - more graduate CMs #eytalking Elaine Hook @ed2inspire @educationgovuk Preschool 24 fully funded children not sustainable, don't even break even, real struggle to keep open but req #EYTalking Suzanne @suedozz @ed2inspire @educationgovuk as a childminder doesn't equate to min wage per hour Fair? Take expenses out I'm working for nothing #EYTalking Littlepuntie NUFC @littlepuntie @ed2inspire @EYTalking @educationgovuk our setting is really struggling this year. All staff had their hours cut. Parents doing bare minimum Elaine Hook @ed2inspire @littlepuntie @EYTalking @educationgovuk We are also really struggling, parents doing funded hours only, funding doesn't cover expenditure Littlepuntie NUFC @littlepuntie @ed2inspire @EYTalking @educationgovuk that's what is happening at ours. Last year parents did so many extra hours = high staff ratios.

Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk don't understand how anyone can fund teacher payscale on 5 p/h #EYTalking unless ratios get changed, which shouldn't happen Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @Sue_Cowley @EYTalking @educationgovuk totally agree! It is a hard job it needs more value! DfE @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs Childrens centres are an option but main role is to support families and signpost to childcare #EYTalking Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico Our children's centre can't even signpost to us and we provide daycare inside !!!! @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs #eytalking @PorticoNicole ` Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx @SarahFilPortico @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs @PorticoNicole ours has had to ask us for help and practitioner as they are so short staffed!! ` Beatrice Merrick @b_merrick @educationgovuk: Childrens centres main role to support families and signpost to childcare #EYTalking?? Nursery School/CCs might disagree! Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk purpose built provision been closed down, not used to full potential & now funding to build in schools #EYTalking Total Childcare @TCSchildcare @educationgovuk @EYTalking Total Childcare Service aims to work with range of providers...we want to work with schools #EYTalking City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra J @educationgovuk @EYTalking #EYTalking I am completely behind raising awareness for EY and demanding action for funding! City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk @EYTalking It is 2014 and a lot of the time the provider is the single parent. We need to support them! #EYTalking Laura G @Gold_Lol @EYTalking @educationgovuk the question should be how to retain the c/ms we already have. We are v worried about agencies #EYTalking Clare Bailey @Clarelouisebod @Gold_Lol @EYTalking @educationgovuk I think many more will leave. Morale low #EYTalking Laura G @Gold_Lol

@Clarelouisebod @EYTalking @educationgovuk individual inspection is the key - the reason for agencies is a cost cutting exercise #EYTalking Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen 2yr olds need skilled practitioners, not teachers #EYTalking Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx @JaneRedHen completely agree! Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @JaneRedHen @EYTalking most 'teachers' in ey see themselves as practitioners as they are passionate about ey amy trowell @amyk21 @JaneRedHen Agree, they also need to be in a more 'homely' environment than a classroom all day. LEYF Nurseries @leyfonline "@JaneRedHen: 2yr olds need skilled practitioners, not teachers #EYTalking" CMB @catmab @leyfonline @JaneRedHen Who says a QTS can't be a skilled practitioner? Sarah Green @SarahSarahg66 @EstherOConnor5 @EYTalking couldn't agree more. Some even have TAs with a degree and EYPS . LEYF Nurseries @leyfonline @catmab forgive me qts? CMB @catmab @leyfonline Qualfied teacher status. Shorthand saved space! kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 #EYTalking @educationgovuk childminders need support, training and recognition - people's perception of early years needs to change Simona McKenzie @signoramac @kidsactiv8 @educationgovuk Agree with no support #CMs may drop grade and hand 2yo back to #LA? #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @kidsactiv8 We hope CMAs will provide another source of support here #EYTalking kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @educationgovuk will they be @Ofstednews regulated? #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @kidsactiv8 Yes absolutely #EYTalking

Emma Harris @lilcaterpillars @educationgovuk @kidsactiv8 what level of quals/experience will CMAs be required to have to make them the arbiter of quality? #EYTalking kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @lilcaterpillars @educationgovuk you'd hope experience, quality assurance, transparency and integrity! Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico How about our LA schools forum @PorticoNicole @signoramac @nurserysarah @educationgovuk do early years issues get listened too? #EYTalking knutsfordchildmindin @knutsfordchildm Childminders are leaving in droves - we are the ones who need support! #eytalking Elaine Hook @ed2inspire @educationgovuk @nurserysarah We have had to limit 2 yr old, deprived, SEN, child protection orders, domestic violence, too much #EYTalking EYTalking @EYTalking @ed2inspire @educationgovuk @nurserysarah I hear this all the time. No support for taking on children in need.. #EYTalking Jeni Hooper @JeniHooper @ed2inspire @educationgovuk @nurserysarah I've decades of experience as an EP and meeting such needy tiny ones is heart rending #EYTalking EYTalking @EYTalking @ed2inspire @educationgovuk @nurserysarah I hear this all the time. No support for taking on children in need.. #EYTalking GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling @CityCallingXtra @Sue_Cowley I must of missed your meaning? Run these settings with pregnant woman and not pay them? #EYTalking City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley Obviously pay them. #EYTalking GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling @CityCallingXtra @Sue_Cowley yes I suppose so then, but surely for any qualified group? Not sure pregnancy qualifies you! #EYTalking Hels @00sixpointfive @GeoffBilling @CityCallingXtra @Sue_Cowley are we talking about recruiting more people to EY? City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley Of course! Being pregnant doesn't qualify you but training needs to be available! You can't shirk on quality!

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @00sixpointfive @GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley We are talking about making it available to those that really need it! #EYtalking Janeevans @janeparenting @educationgovuk What are you doing to ensure #children get their #attachment needs met in all #earlyyears settings as priority? #EYTalking Jeni Hooper @JeniHooper @chris_barnham @educationgovuk thanks Chris. Good to see it is EY specific not random like Marine Zoology #EYTalking Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @JeniHooper @chris_barnham @educationgovuk #EYTalking Lots of research since on impact of EYPs takes time to gather evidence, show impact Jennifer Holly @EYplayandlearn @JeniHooper @EYTalking @chris_barnham @educationgovuk but does graduate led have to mean school? #EYTalking knutsfordchildmindin @knutsfordchildm @DfE needs to put the needs of childminders already working in England first - we are here NOW! http://www.childmindinghelp.co.uk/forum/independent-childminding-chat/127180-putindependent-childminders-first.html #EYTalking City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @courteneyccs @nurserysarah @educationgovuk But the funding will never present itself if the model isn't sustainable! #EYtalking Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs @CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Evidence ofsustainable business impacted on due to funding: creating unsustainable business! knutsfordchildmindin @knutsfordchildm Will sufficiency audits be carried out before new cms are introduced? Many areas have way too much competition already #eytalking Laura G @Gold_Lol @knutsfordchildm agree - I'm full but haven't had any enquiries for quite a while - and like u I'm v experienced #EYTalking Suzanne @suedozz @knutsfordchildm should be carried out at pre-registration by LA #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @GeoffBilling Funding is and will be higher for two year olds #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac

@educationgovuk @GeoffBilling Slightly and the drops to unacceptable levels at 3 #EYtalking GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling @educationgovuk ta! #didntknow #EYTalking EYTalking @EYTalking @educationgovuk @earlyyearscpd what about independent trainers& companies? Will they get funding to support the sector in CPD? #EYTalking Gilly Mason @GillyMason @EYTalking @educationgovuk @earlyyearscpd probably not let's give it all to large FE colleges- no choice, no local community response... Clare Bailey @Clarelouisebod @EYTalking @educationgovuk CMs still don't have respect they deserve. Not seen as professionals by many #EYTalking Emma Harris @lilcaterpillars @Clarelouisebod @EYTalking @educationgovuk we've all worked so hard to change that just getting somewhere and then CMAs elizabeth shack @elizabethshack1 @Clarelouisebod I think our LA is already sold on the benefits of CM we have to work with parents to recognise their professionalism City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk @EYTalking It is 2014 and a lot of the time the provider is the single parent. We need to support them! #EYTalking NDNA @NDNAtalk There is expertise, commitment and capacity for 2 YOs in PVI nurseries - but right funding must get to frontline #EYtalking Haslemere Museum @haslemeremuseum @laralexus @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk Because in EY settings concentrate on EY & have specialist staff #EYtalking Lupo @laralexus @haslemeremuseum @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk so do we! Lupo @laralexus @haslemeremuseum #EYTalking @educationgovuk plus we were pre and post inspected to ensure appropriate. Same ofsted framework as settings. Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk we need to keep influencing those that value purposeful and exploratory play!

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk if they follow the EYFS as they are meant to I have no issue, however schools think they know kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk .... Best and the EY sector is undervalued and unappreciated - glorified babysitters Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk you would be surprised with some great practise that influences ks1&2 role play Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk check our my blog http://hoppinghillnursery.wordpress.com Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk disagree I think we are more valued than ever! CMB @catmab @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk But not all schools the same as not all PVI perfect. Many schools v good with EYFS. Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk the new curriculum for ks1&2 proves this creative curriculum! kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk and like the quality in EY settings it's not consistent. I just don't believe schools.... kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk ...are the right places for 2 year olds and I've yet to find anyone other.... kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk .... The gov who thinks so (sorry for rant) kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @catmab @eytalking @estheroconnor5 @educationgovuk I agree and the poor provisions either need support or need to close EYTalking @EYTalking @educationgovuk talking of CPD need more core training especially in Safeguarding/Child Protection #EYTalking Janeevans @janeparenting @EYTalking @educationgovuk Also effects of #earlyyears #trauma & complex #attachment! #domesticabuse

Elaine Hook @ed2inspire @educationgovuk Everyone on this Forum #EYTalking & #OfstedBigConversation are very experienced senior managers and business owners, ASK US Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley @ed2inspire @educationgovuk yes, yes, yes!! DfE @educationgovuk @ed2inspire Please do tweet us, we are listening! DfE @educationgovuk @nurserysarah We will be consulting on more changes to get more money to front line. #EYTalking more news soon Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYTalking Appreciate localism is the current fashion but LAs need more than encouragement to pass on funding in EYE Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk @nurserysarah #EYTalking Good to hear, but then you need to listen to the results (Nutbrown, again) or else lowers morale Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk #EYtalking I look forward to being consulted, as I'm sure many PVI settings do 'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY @educationgovuk @nurserysarah We will be consulting on more changes to get more money to front line. #EYTalking more news soonMW PROPOSALS? knutsfordchildmindin @knutsfordchildm @education.gov.uk yes funding higher for 2s - but then drops to unsustainable levels for 3/4 - same children - needs don't change #eytalking Janeevans @janeparenting @educationgovuk With rising numbers of mentally ill #children as reported this week how can 2 yo in #school improve this? #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @janeparenting @educationgovuk They can't #vulnerable children need special care and low #ratios + home environment CMs are best #EYtalking DfE @educationgovuk @signoramac Really support home env. CMs but parents want a choice. #EYTalking Hels @00sixpointfive @educationgovuk @signoramac Problem is if all types of EY provision are not equally funded and supported, parents do not get a choice.

'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY @educationgovuk parents don't always make choices with their child first; convenience, cost, follow crowd DfE @educationgovuk @AileenAnne1 Really want to raise the status of EY professionals that's why entrance quals now higher #EYTalking Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk @AileenAnne1 To raise status of EYPs we must be able to raise pay #qualitycosts #EYTalking kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @educationgovuk @aileenanne1 they need to be recognised as so, not the poorer sister! MissAileen @AileenAnne1 @educationgovuk And increase publicity of BA (Hons) in early childhood studies and encourage more to do the courses :) #EYTalking amy trowell @amyk21 @educationgovuk qualifications don't always = better practitioners. Nursing a good example of this. You don't need a degree to care. Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk @AileenAnne1 So why so much focus on apprentices? #EYTalking Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @nurserysarah: @educationgovuk @AileenAnne1 To raise status of EYPs we must be able to raise pay #qualitycosts #EYTalking totally agree Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @educationgovuk #EYTalking Quals raised are irrelevant GCSE Science - need more attachment, EY care, baby experience at entry, NOT science EYTalking @EYTalking @kathybrodie @educationgovuk More about how the individual connects with children, is top of the tree for me! #Attachments MissAileen @AileenAnne1 @EYTalking @kathybrodie @educationgovuk I agree there! I have learning difficulties, but have many unique quality skills 2 combat this MissAileen @AileenAnne1 @EYTalking @kathybrodie @educationgovuk It's not about what u have on paper, it's about what you do in practice #goodlifeexperience Shabang Theatre @shabangtheatre @kathybrodie @educationgovuk my son has down syndrome wants 2 work in EY but no hope of getting even first rung of quals ladder #notfair
Sarah Green @SarahSarahg66 @educationgovuk @EYTalking Need to encourage schools to have EYPS/EYT as support in EYFS with appropriate pay. #quality MissAileen @AileenAnne1 @amyk21 @educationgovuk But u do need certain skills, experiences and access to quality resources, in order to increase confidence MissAileen @AileenAnne1 @amyk21 @educationgovuk From there u can gain better ideas of quality learning and how to seek support; confidence= competence Janeevans @janeparenting @EYTalking @educationgovuk Also effects of #earlyyears #trauma & complex #attachment! #domesticabuse kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk if they follow the EYFS as they are meant to I have no issue, however schools think they know Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk you would be surprised with some great practise that influences ks1&2 role play Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk check our my blog http://hoppinghillnursery.wordpress.com kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk and like the quality in EY settings it's not consistent. I just don't believe schools.... kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk ...are the right places for 2 year olds and I've yet to find anyone other.... kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk .... The gov who thinks so (sorry for rant) Total Childcare @TCSchildcare @CityCallingXtra @EYTalking @educationgovuk ....CMs are essential for so many parents/carers...and so appreciated. #EYTalking kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk .... Best and the EY sector is undervalued and unappreciated - glorified babysitters Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk disagree I think we are more valued than ever!

CMB @catmab @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk But not all schools the same as not all PVI perfect. Many schools v good with EYFS. Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5 @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk the new curriculum for ks1&2 proves this creative curriculum! kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @catmab @eytalking @estheroconnor5 @educationgovuk I agree and the poor provisions either need support or need to close EYTalking @EYTalking @nurserysarah Thanks for taking a break in your well deserved holiday to join in! :-) x Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen @educationgovuk @earlyyearscpd Would prefer the money to support better wages for higher quality staff #EYTalking MissAileen @AileenAnne1 Increase CM's role as overall family support worker - help give families packages and info @educationgovuk #EYTalking EYTalking @EYTalking Waves to new colleagues joining #EYTalking tonight. :-) Jeni Hooper @JeniHooper @EYTalking this is a brilliant opportunity to share and talk to DfE amy trowell @amyk21 @EYTalking <waves> #EYTalking
EYTalking @EYTalking @signoramac please share your thoughts on agencies? #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @EYTalking Why is govt going ahead with #agencies when there is no interest in them?Agency cms will not be regulated by Ofsted #EYtalking Laura G @Gold_Lol @signoramac @EYTalking well the odd one will be which is ridiculous and no help for parents seeking childcare with an individual #EYTalking Emma Harris @lilcaterpillars @Clarelouisebod @EYTalking @educationgovuk we've all worked so hard to change that just getting somewhere and then CMAs DfE @educationgovuk

@kidsactiv8 We're aware and that's a parents' choice. Schools EY provision is nursery style not classroom #EYTalking kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @educationgovuk you would hope it is but it isn't. The children need the same environment as an EY setting with EY staff not TA's Jennifer Holly @EYplayandlearn @educationgovuk @earlyyearscpd @kidsactiv8 too much pressure from above in some schools for practitioners to maintain EY ethos. I've seen it kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @EYplayandlearn @educationgovuk @earlyyearscpd I agree, targets maybe? Jennifer Holly @EYplayandlearn @kidsactiv8 @educationgovuk @earlyyearscpd in my exp absolutely. Links to NC outcomes and unrealistic expectations & understanding of child Tracey Everatt @Kingfisher_1985 @educationgovuk @earlyyearscpd @kidsactiv8 provision might be but are staff attitudes? Nursery class next to us don't seem to be. CMB @catmab @kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk But not all schools the same as not all PVI perfect. Many schools v good with EYFS. kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 @catmab @eytalking @estheroconnor5 @educationgovuk I agree and the poor provisions either need support or need to close DfE @educationgovuk @Nick_at_Parenta Gov't recommended national rate well above what providers get in the marketplace. Interesting question though. #EYTalking Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYTalking Govt rec rate for 2YOs is 5.19 I believe? Oxfordshire CC only get 5.14 per child, so how can they pay rec level Nick Williams @Nick_at_Parenta @educationgovuk Really? Do you know how market rates were established? Numbers don't seem to add up when we study our database. #EYTalking Lloyd Razemba @BO4C @educationgovuk If this statement holds true for all providers 'in the marketplace' can you suggest a reason why providers are not up for it Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico Our rate is 4 something @nurserysarah @educationgovuk @PorticoNicole #eytalking

Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs @SarahFilPortico @nurserysarah @educationgovuk @PorticoNicole ours is less than 5 too #EYTalking Nicole Politis @PorticoNicole @EYFS_lancs @SarahFilPortico @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Soon it will be the same as 3 year old FEYE !! EYTalking @EYTalking 3rd question @educationgovuk How to help parents make informed choices about childcare, including knowing how to demand a quality service. Total Childcare @TCSchildcare @EYTalking @educationgovuk...CM agency could offer part of the solution...working with parents/CMs for individual needs #EYTalking amy trowell @amyk21 @EYTalking Parents often faced with choosing the cheapest childcare poss not what's best for the child. #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @TCSchildcare @EYTalking @educationgovuk why would we need an #agency for that? Who ensure quality in an agency?#EYTalking EarlyYearsTeacher @DerbyUniEYTS @EYTalking @educationgovuk marketing campaign to highlight the value, dedication, expertise of EYP's / Early Years Teachers #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @amyk21 How can we raise awareness in parents of how important quality is? #EYTalking Total Childcare @TCSchildcare @signoramac @EYTalking @educationgovuk....hiya :)..agency only PART of offering parents/carers a choice...could help to advertise CMs Sarah Steel @nurserysarah @educationgovuk @amyk21 Stop talking about 'free entitlement'& call it 'early education' so they value it. Parental education key #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @nurserysarah @educationgovuk @amyk21 I would call #Earlyeducationsubsidy That is what it is A #subsidy from providers #EYtalking Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs @EYTalking @educationgovuk Children's Centre's supporting & advising parents/carers to make informed choices on settings #EYTalking amy trowell @amyk21 @educationgovuk explain that 2yo have v dif needs to 3/4yo & what that looks like. Retaining quality staff to model & share best practice.
knutsfordchildmindin @knutsfordchildm @EYFS_lancs #EYTalking @educationgovuk fair enough but lots of CCs have kicked cms out! We are no longer in their remit - what about us? DfE @educationgovuk @knutsfordchildm CCs should be welcoming and supporting CMs #EYTalking amy trowell @amyk21 @nurserysarah Aah! So true! Parents 'sticking them' in childcare because they can/it's free/they think they should... knutsfordchildmindin @knutsfordchildm @educationgovuk that is not happening. We are no longer welcome - they have new remits which don't include us. Children miss out #eytalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @educationgovuk @knutsfordchildm They can also learn from those CMs who have been in practice for years #EYtalking Suzanne @suedozz @educationgovuk @knutsfordchildm reality is their funding has been cut so CMs are cut loose #EYTalking amy trowell @amyk21 @rg2625 agree, many don't explore all options or really think about what suits their child as an individual rather than where a friend went Simona McKenzie @signoramac @EYTalking Why is govt going ahead with #agencies when there is no interest in them?Agency cms will not be regulated by Ofsted #EYtalking Laura G @Gold_Lol @signoramac @EYTalking well the odd one will be which is ridiculous and no help for parents seeking childcare with an individual #EYTalking EYTalking @EYTalking @kathybrodie @educationgovuk More about how the individual connects with children, is top of the tree for me! #Attachments MissAileen @AileenAnne1 @EYTalking @kathybrodie @educationgovuk I agree there! I have learning difficulties, but have many unique quality skills 2 combat this MissAileen @AileenAnne1 @EYTalking @kathybrodie @educationgovuk It's not about what u have on paper, it's about what you do in practice #goodlifeexperience

EYTalking @EYTalking 10 more minutes - questions, share & comment! #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @EYTalking @educationgovuk We are not getting any answers on #agencies #EYtalking How are the trials going How many cms in them #EYTalking EYTalking @EYTalking @signoramac @educationgovuk Hi Olivia do you have an answer(s) on this? EYTalking @EYTalking This blog @educationgovuk summed up my thoughts on qualifications a few years ago! http://laurachildcare.wordpress.com/2011/11/07/pu EYTalking @EYTalking @signoramac @educationgovuk Hi Olivia do you have an answer(s) on this? EYTalking @EYTalking @KA_Jennie @WarrenCres If this was the case 30yrs ago - the door would have been shut in my face! Can skill up - can't train the heart. EYTalking @EYTalking Thank you all for contributing on this debate & thank you Olivia @educationgovuk - more to discuss! #EYTalking EYTalking @EYTalking I have asked @educationgovuk for @trussliz to officially respond to our tweets from tonight. #EYTalking Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk @trussliz Thank you! Co-op Childcare @coop_childcare @EYTalking @educationgovuk @trussliz Thank you - we so appreciate this! Laura G @Gold_Lol @EYTalking @educationgovuk @trussliz thank you Laura - think you're going to be rather busy with all the retweets!! :-) Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs Majority of experienced Early Years practitioners/workers/professionals disagree that schools are the best place for 2yo's #EYTalking Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk Keith Maxwell @KeithMaxwell21 @EYFS_lancs @HollyAFM Schools are obviously NOT the right place for 2 year olds ludicrous idea! Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs

Schools can benefit from PVI expertise & work together @NDNAtalk assist facilitating quality wrap-around http://bit.ly/1fWXOUH #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @courteneyccs @NDNAtalk Providers do not just want to do #wraparound We want to also #educate #EYTalking you cannot split the 2 Jennie Johnson @KA_Jennie @educationgovuk #eytalking r u making any progress on funding for higher apprenticeships / level 5 qualifications in early years
Jennie Johnson @KA_Jennie @educationgovuk @WarrenCres they are not, pls visit our academy & let me challenge this face to face, meet the colleagues this would exclude Jennie Johnson @KA_Jennie @educationgovuk @WarrenCres they are not, pls visit our academy & let me challenge this face to face, meet the colleagues this would exclude
Jennie Johnson @KA_Jennie @educationgovuk @WarrenCres sorry but a maths GCSE is not "vital" to raise quality of EYE's. An ability to engage 3/4 yo's in simple. 1/2
Jennie Johnson @KA_Jennie 2/2 mathematical concepts is vital and this does not require a GCSE. I run an academy, this requirement would exclude some gr8 practitioners
LEYF Nurseries @leyfonline "@DeborahFielden: For those interested in findings of Baby Room project, this book is worth a read! #EYTalking pic.twitter.com/pXqybfeink" Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley Start with the Child, that's all we ask @educationgovuk #EYTalking http://suecowley.wordpress.com/2014/01/17/start-with-the-child/ LEYF Nurseries @leyfonline We'd love to share our film of life at nursery with ministers at @educationgovuk http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c1viswTo2Mo&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dc1viswTo2 Mo to show why #care is key #eytalking Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs Click here http://bit.ly/KDBzV3 to find out more about Early Years ambassadors #EYTalking Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley

A 2 year old is as different to a 3 year old as a newborn is to a 1 year old. Even 1 month makes massive difference at this age #EYTalking DfE @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley EYFS designed to meet the needs of the individual child #EYTalking Elaine Hook @ed2inspire @Sue_Cowley @EYTalking Halleluia, at least someone gets it, no comparison, & need completely different #care @educationgovuk DfE @educationgovuk Jan 21 Thank you to all who took part in #EYTalking tonight. Interesting and thought provoking, hope you enjoyed it too. pic.twitter.com/HNYColEqIX Retweeted by EYTalking Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs A very frenetic 60 minutes! Thank you @EYTalking for facilitating & hats off & appreciation to @educationgovuk for taking up the gauntlet Emma-Kate Thompson @TwinsplusTwo @educationgovuk My feelings (as a former Primary School teacher and Mum to 4) on EY http://musingssahm.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/education-at-3-no-thanks.html MissAileen @AileenAnne1 @courteneyccs @EYTalking @educationgovuk I got a bit of an adrenaline rush from that! Really enjoyed the chat tonight! #EYTalking CACHE Warren @WarrenCres @educationgovuk great opportunity to raise awareness of particular issues & sector concerns. Hope you can do it again soon. #EYTalking Simona McKenzie @signoramac @WarrenCres Next week is @LucyMPowell co-hosting #EYtalking Hels @00sixpointfive @signoramac @LauraChildcare @WarrenCres @LucyMPowell looking forward to this. In meantime need to learn to type & read faster in preparation Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs @AileenAnne1 @EYTalking @educationgovuk Absolutely - buzzing!!! Simona McKenzie @signoramac @LauraChildcare @WarrenCres @LucyMPowell Cheers Laura That was a good session! #eytalking Dare you to invite #truss next time ! CACHE Warren @WarrenCres @signoramac @LucyMPowell thanks for the heads-up. Will try & tune in. Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk Fitting pic.. 2yo in school?! #EYTalking
CMB @catmab @educationgovuk @LauraChildcare Agreed - even if I kept forgetting the #EYTalking tag!! Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs @signoramac @WarrenCres @LucyMPowell What's the topic/s for next week? @LauraChildcare Simona McKenzie @signoramac @EYFS_lancs @WarrenCres @LucyMPowell No mention of #topic so far I am sure 2yo will pop up again and 25hrs free childcare? #eytalking DfE @educationgovuk A link to info on the 2 year old trial http://ow.ly/sOicV #EYTalking LEYF Nurseries @leyfonline @nurserysarah totally agree, when you consider research says child's trajectory set by 7, our #impact is huge & undervalued #eytalking
Laura G @Gold_Lol @EYTalking @educationgovuk @trussliz thank you Laura - think you're going to be rather busy with all the retweets!! :-)
Jennie Johnson @KA_Jennie #eytalking they want the same things as us ( high quality experience for children) they are just totally wrong about how to get there! Tracey Everatt @Kingfisher_1985 #EYTalking there is funding to support grads in PVI but it only covers 1. Our setting has 5 and I only get minimum wage +4p an hour. Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico This isn't in all authorities though is it @Kingfisher_1985 ... not in #sthelens Tracey Everatt @Kingfisher_1985 @SarahFilPortico I'm only working off personal experience there. Lincolnshires is 1.
Foundation Years @FoundationYears Big thanks to @EYTalking, @educationgovuk and everyone who joined in #EYTalking! For all latest EY and childcare info foundationyears.org.uk
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Tracey Everatt @Kingfisher_1985 Missed #EYTalking and am gutted. The reading back looks like it was pretty good. June O'Sullivan @JuneOSullivan Missed @EYTalking tonight to see @girlsrisinguk about power of educating girls. More inspiring than @educationgovuk by sounds of it.

Littlepuntie NUFC @littlepuntie @ed2inspire @EYTalking @educationgovuk that's what is happening at ours. Last year parents did so many extra hours = high staff ratios. Elaine Hook @ed2inspire @littlepuntie @EYTalking @educationgovuk We are also really struggling, parents doing funded hours only, funding doesn't cover expenditure Littlepuntie NUFC @littlepuntie @ed2inspire @EYTalking @educationgovuk that's what is happening at ours. Last year parents did so many extra hours = high staff ratios. Littlepuntie NUFC @littlepuntie @ed2inspire @EYTalking @educationgovuk our setting is really struggling this year. All staff had their hours cut. Parents doing bare minimum
Jennie Johnson @KA_Jennie #eytalking clear agenda of CMA, school at 2, GCSE entry level, and no higher level apprenticeship is worrying. No comfort gained tonight :-(
Elaine Hook @ed2inspire @littlepuntie @EYTalking @educationgovuk We are also really struggling, parents doing funded hours only, funding doesn't cover expenditure
Co-op Childcare @coop_childcare @EYTalking @educationgovuk @trussliz Thank you - we so appreciate this! Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs A very frenetic 60 minutes! Thank you @EYTalking for facilitating & hats off & appreciation to @educationgovuk for taking up the gauntlet Sarah Steel @nurserysarahJan @EYTalking @educationgovuk #EYTalking Thx for fast and furious hour, hope it shows what we can contribute when asked, better > consultation
Littlepuntie NUFC @littlepuntie @ed2inspire @EYTalking @educationgovuk that's what is happening at ours. Last year parents did so many extra hours = high staff ratios. Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley (((((Clapping very loudly))))) in honour of @LauraChildcare for organising @EYTalking with @educationgovuk
EYTalking @EYTalking I have asked @educationgovuk for @trussliz to officially respond to our tweets from tonight. #EYTalking

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