Chief Arthur Edge, WCSO - 03-11-14 Deposition Transcript (Federal) - Redacted
Hmmm, the investigation of Cooley was handed over to who for completion?
Rossmiller. Go figure. Boy that sure is strange isn't it?
One has to wonder who made that call and one also has to wonder why. Art is smart. Art is capable. Couldn't he do as he's done in other investigations and forward his findings up for review?
Or perhaps that was the problem. Maybe Elfo et al knew that's exactly what he would do?
Chief Arthur Edge, WCSO - 03-11-14 Deposition Transcript (Federal) - Redacted
Hmmm, the investigation of Cooley was handed over to who for completion?
Rossmiller. Go figure. Boy that sure is strange isn't it?
One has to wonder who made that call and one also has to wonder why. Art is smart. Art is capable. Couldn't he do as he's done in other investigations and forward his findings up for review?
Or perhaps that was the problem. Maybe Elfo et al knew that's exactly what he would do?
Chief Arthur Edge, WCSO - 03-11-14 Deposition Transcript (Federal) - Redacted
Hmmm, the investigation of Cooley was handed over to who for completion?
Rossmiller. Go figure. Boy that sure is strange isn't it?
One has to wonder who made that call and one also has to wonder why. Art is smart. Art is capable. Couldn't he do as he's done in other investigations and forward his findings up for review?
Or perhaps that was the problem. Maybe Elfo et al knew that's exactly what he would do?
3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 UNI TED STATES OF DI STRI CT COURT 8 WESTERN DI STRI CT OF WASHI NGTON AT SEATTLE 9 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 10 PAUL MURPHY, t oget her wi t h hi s ) mar i t al communi t y, ) 11 Pl ai nt i f f s, ) ) 12 vs. ) NO. 2: 13- CV- 00727 ) 13 WHATCOM COUNTY, WASHI NGTON, a ) gover nment ent i t y; WHATCOM COUNTY ) 14 SHERI FF' S DEPARTMENT; WI LLI AM J . ) ELFO, t oget her wi t h hi s mar i t al ) 15 communi t y, ) Def endant s. ) 16 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 17 DEPOSI TI ON UPON ORAL EXAMI NATI ON OF 18 ARTHUR EDGE 19 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 20 10: 32AM - 11: 00AM Mar ch 11t h, 2014 21 What comCount y Cour t house 311 Gr and Avenue 22 Bel l i ngham, Washi ngt on 98225 23 Repor t ed by Kr i st en M. Uhl i g 24 Cer t i f i ed Cour t Repor t er , CCR, CSR Washi ngt on CCR #1934 25 Arthur Edge, March 11, 2014 Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County 3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 2 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 3 FOR THE PLAI NTI FFS: Rober t But l er & Emi l y Beschen 4 Law Of f i ces of Rober t But l er 103 East Hol l y St r eet Sui t e 512 5 Bel l i ngham, Washi ngt on 98225 360. 734. 3448 6 7 FOR THE DEFENDANTS WHATCOM COUNTY & SHERI FF' S DEPARTMENT & ELFO Dal e Kamer r er 8 Law Lyman Dani el Kamer r er Bogdanovi ch 2674 RWJ ohnson Bl vd SW 9 Tumwat er , Washi ngt on 98512 360. 754. 3480 10 11 FOR WHATCOM COUNTY: El i zabet h Gal l er y 12 What comCount y Pr osecut or ' s Of f i ce 311 Gr and Avenue 13 Bel l i ngham, Washi ngt on 98225 14 ALSO PRESENT: 15 Wi l l i amEl f o Tar a Adr i an- St avi k 16 17 I N D E X 18 EXAMI NATI ON: PAGE 19 BY MR. BUTLER. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 20 21 22 EXHI BI T DESCRI PTI ON PAGE 23 No Exhi bi t s Mar ked 24 25 Arthur Edge, March 11, 2014 Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County 3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 3 1 ARTHUR EDGE, 2 havi ng been f i r st dul y swor n, was cal l ed as a wi t ness her ei n and 3 was exami ned and t est i f i ed as f ol l ows: 4 5 DI RECT EXAMI NATI ON 6 7 BY MR. BUTLER: 8 Q Woul d you pl ease st at e your name and spel l i t f or t he r ecor d? 9 A Ar t hur Edge, A- R- T- H- U- R E- D- G- E. 10 Q Wher e ar e you empl oyed? 11 A What comCount y Sher i f f ' s Of f i ce. 12 Q Have you ever had your deposi t i on t aken bef or e? 13 A Yes, I have. 14 Q How many t i mes? 15 A Two or t hr ee. 16 Q I n connect i on wi t h your wor k or per sonal mat t er s? 17 A I t was i n connect i on wi t h wor k. 18 Q Okay. How l ong have you been empl oyed wi t h t he sher i f f ' s 19 depar t ment ? 20 A Twent y- si x year s. 21 Q Can you gener al l y gi ve me your pr omot i onal hi st or y? You 22 st ar t ed as a deput y? 23 A Ri ght . I wor ked f or ot her - - t wo ot her pr evi ous l aw 24 enf or cement agenci es bef or e comi ng her e. 25 Q Let ' s st op t hat - - wher e di d you wor k bef or e? What ot her Arthur Edge, March 11, 2014 Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County 3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 4 1 agenci es? 2 A Wel l , I was a - - I was a MP i n t he mi l i t ar y and af t er I got out 3 of t he mi l i t ar y, was hi r ed by t he Por t of Seat t l e Pol i ce. I 4 wor ked t her e f or about t hr ee- and- a- hal f year s. They wer e goi ng 5 t hr ough a l ayof f phase, so I t hen went t o Ki r kl and. 6 Q Okay. 7 A My wi f e i s f r omher e, so we want ed t o move up i n t hi s ar ea f r om 8 Pi er ce Count y, so t hat ' s how I ended up at t he sher i f f ' s 9 of f i ce. 10 Q What br anch di d you ser ve i n as an MP? 11 A Ar my. 12 Q So when you ar r i ved i n t he What comCount y Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment , 13 gi ve me a l oose pr ogr essi on of your car eer t her e. 14 A I st ar t ed out as a l i ne deput y. And af t er I passed pr obat i on, 15 I was - - I woul d ki nd of consi der i t an evol ut i on of my 16 pr omot i onal st eps, I was assi gned as a f i el d t r ai ni ng of f i cer . 17 Q Okay. 18 A I di d t hat f or a per i od of about f our year s, and t hen I went t o 19 det ect i ves. I ser ved i n det ect i ves f or a coupl e of year s, 20 af t er whi ch I went back t o pat r ol . Pr obabl y - - I don' t 21 r emember exact l y t he year , i t was pr obabl y ' 95, ' 96, I was 22 pr omot ed t o ser geant . 23 Q Okay. 24 A I ser ved a coupl e of year s on pat r ol as a super vi sor , a 25 ser geant l i ne st af f , and t hen I t ook a posi t i on wi t h t he Arthur Edge, March 11, 2014 Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County 3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 5 1 Nor t hwest Regi onal Dr ug Task For ce as t he super vi si ng ser geant . 2 For t hat , I ser ved t her e f or about f our - and- a- hal f year s or 3 f our - and- a- quar t er year s. 4 Q Roughl y what year ar e we at ? 5 A Ri ght now, we' r e at l at e ' 98 i s when I went t o t he t ask f or ce. 6 Q Al l r i ght . 7 A Fr omt he t ask f or ce, I came back t o pat r ol , and t hat was i n 8 2002. I n 2004, I was pr omot ed t o l i eut enant . I ser ved i n t hat 9 posi t i on f or al most t hr ee year s, a l i t t l e over t hr ee year s. I n 10 2007, t he f al l or t her eabout s, I was pr omot ed t o chi ef deput y, 11 chi ef ci vi l deput y suppor t bur eau. 12 Q Okay. 13 A And t hat ' s t he posi t i on t hat I hol d now. 14 Q Okay. Do you r ecal l an admi ni st r at i ve i nvest i gat i on t hat you 15 di d i n 2006 wi t h r egar ds t o a r epor t f r omNadi ne Et hr i dge? 16 A Nadi ne Et hr i dge. 17 Q She was t he r epor t i ng par t y. 18 A Yes, I do. Mm- hm. 19 Q Tel l me about t hat . What was t hat al l egat i on? Who di d i t 20 i nvol ve? 21 A I t i nvol ved a Deput y Sl i ck. The al l egat i ons wer e t hat he had 22 - - f or bet t er - - l ack of a bet t er t er m- - gr oped her on t he 23 dance f l oor basi cal l y i n f r ont of wi t nesses. Ther e was an 24 al t er cat i on because of i t and t hat compl ai nt came f or war d. 25 Q Di d you handl e t he i nvest i gat i on your sel f or di d you t ask i t Arthur Edge, March 11, 2014 Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County 3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 6 1 out t o somebody el se? 2 A I was assi gned i t and I di d t he i nvest i gat i on. 3 Q What di d you do t o i nvest i gat e t hat ? 4 A Ther e was pr obabl y - - and I don' t r emember exact l y how many 5 wi t nesses - - t her e was at l east si x wi t nesses t hat wer e t her e 6 t hat saw t he al l egat i on. I t al ked wi t h t he vi ct i m. I t al ked 7 wi t h each i ndi vi dual per son. I al so i nt er vi ewed Gl enn, of 8 cour se, Deput y Sl i ck. I al so i nt er vi ewed t hi s gal ' s boyf r i end 9 who was t her e al so. I t hi nk t hat t hat was t he bul k of t he 10 f ol ks. I t was a l ar ge i nvest i gat i on. 11 Q Di d Gl enn admi t t o gr opi ng her ? 12 A He di d - - he sai d t hat he di dn' t r emember doi ng t hat . 13 Q Di d you f i nd ot her peopl e who wi t nessed i t - - 14 A Yes. 15 Q - - who sai d t hat he had, i n f act , done what t he al l egat i on was? 16 A Yes. 17 Q Di d he have a r eason f or why he coul dn' t r emember i t ? 18 A You know, wi t hout r evi ewi ng what t he t r anscr i pt says and t hi ngs 19 t hat I wr ot e about t hat , what I r ecal l i s t hat he di dn' t r ecal l 20 i t , I t hi nk, because of t he al cohol consumpt i on t hat he had 21 t hat day. 22 Q Al l r i ght . Gi ven t he - - hi s l ack of awar eness, I guess woul d 23 be a phr ase f or i t , and t he wi t nesses sayi ng t hat he had done 24 what was al l eged, what was t he out come of t hat i nvest i gat i on? 25 A Wel l , I wr ot e up t he r epor t and ci t ed t he appr opr i at e Arthur Edge, March 11, 2014 Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County 3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 7 1 vi ol at i ons t hat occur r ed under our pol i cy and f or war ded t hat 2 f or r evi ew. And t hat goes t o t he sher i f f , t he under sher i f f , t o 3 make t he f i nal deci si on on t hat . 4 Q Do you know what happened? 5 A My r ecol l ect i on i s he was di sci pl i ned, but r et ai ned. I bel i eve 6 t hat he sought some hel p f or hi s al cohol pr obl em. 7 Q Okay. Have you par t i ci pat ed i n any ot her i nvest i gat i ons i n 8 your car eer wi t h t he depar t ment ? 9 A Yes. When I was pat r ol l i eut enant , I was t asked wi t h t aki ng 10 car e of and i nvest i gat i ng ci t i zen compl ai nt s - - 11 Q Okay. 12 A - - t hat came i n. 13 Q And di d - - 14 A Most of t hose wer e mi nor , mi nor compl ai nt s. I al so i ni t i al l y 15 st ar t ed an i nvest i gat i on, whi ch I handed of f t o Li eut enant 16 Rossmi l l er t o compl et e. 17 Q Whi ch one was t hat ? 18 A I t hi nk t hat i t was Kr i st en Cavender . 19 Q And t hat r el at ed t o Deput y Cool ey, di dn' t i t ? 20 A Yes, i t di d. Then Ser geant Cool ey. 21 Q Okay. You' r e awar e t hat Cool ey admi t t ed t o f ur ni shi ng t o 22 Kr i st en, who was under age; cor r ect ? 23 A I wasn' t par t of t hat i nt er vi ew pr ocess, but I had hear d t hat 24 he was cooper at i ve, yes. 25 Q And he di dn' t br i ng t hat f or war d hi msel f ? Li ke, hey, j ust want Arthur Edge, March 11, 2014 Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County 3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 8 1 t o l et you guys know t hat I ' mdat i ng and gi vi ng al cohol t o 2 Kr i st en Cavender ? 3 A No. 4 MR. KAMERRER: I i nser t an obj ect i on t o pr ecede t he 5 answer t hat i t ' s vague, over br oad and ar gument i ve. Go ahead. 6 Q ( By Mr . But l er ) I t hi nk you t hat al r eady answer ed t hat . I t 7 was a no; cor r ect ? 8 A ( Wi t ness I ndi cat i ng) . 9 Q He j ust needs t o make hi s r ecor d f or t he obj ect i on. 10 A Sur e. 11 Q And t hen you get t o keep answer i ng. 12 A Okay. 13 Q I t ' s a dance t hat we do. Wer e you awar e of anybody el se 14 empl oyed i n t he sher i f f ' s depar t ment who has admi t t ed t o 15 commi t t i ng a cr i me and i s r et ai ned? 16 MR. KAMERRER: Obj ect i on. I t ' s ar gument i ve, vague and 17 over br oad and l acks f oundat i on. 18 THE WI TNESS: Woul d you ask me t hat agai n? 19 Q ( By Mr . But l er ) Sur e. You' ve been i n t he depar t ment f or 20 26 year s. Ar e you awar e of anybody el se i n your 26 year s who 21 admi t t ed t o commi t t i ng a cr i me and yet r et ai ned t hei r 22 empl oyment ? 23 MR. KAMERRER: Same obj ect i on. 24 THE WI TNESS: I per sonal l y? No. I don' t t hi nk so. I 25 per sonal l y don' t know. Arthur Edge, March 11, 2014 Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County 3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 9 1 Q ( By Mr . But l er ) Okay. Cool ey' s posi t i on at t hat t i me was a 2 ser geant ? 3 A Yes. 4 Q Hi s cur r ent posi t i on i s i nspect or ; cor r ect ? 5 A Yes. 6 Q I s t hat consi der ed a pr omot i on i n t he depar t ment ? 7 A I woul d consi der i t a pr omot i on, yes. 8 Q Have you had - - do you know Ser geant Lar r y Fl ynn? 9 A Yes. 10 Q Have you had an oppor t uni t y t o wor k wi t h hi m? 11 A Mm- hm. 12 Q Have you had an oppor t uni t y t o devel op an opi ni on about hi s 13 cr edi bi l i t y, hi s t r ut hf ul ness? 14 A Yes. 15 Q What i s your opi ni on of Lar r y Fl ynn wi t h r egar ds t o hi s 16 cr edi bi l i t y? 17 A Lar r y i s a cr edi bl e i ndi vi dual as f ar as I amconcer ned. I 18 have not had any i nci dent s or an i nci dent t hat woul d cause me 19 t o t hi nk of anyt hi ng el se. 20 Q The same quest i on wi t h r egar d t o St eve Har r i s. Do you know 21 hi m? 22 A I do know hi m. 23 Q Have you had an oppor t uni t y t o devel op an opi ni on as t o hi s 24 cr edi bi l i t y and t r ut hf ul ness? 25 A I haven' t wor ked wi t h St eve t hat much, but I haven' t had any Arthur Edge, March 11, 2014 Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County 3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 10 1 i nci dences or exper i ences t o l ead me t o bel i eve t hat he was 2 bei ng unt r ut hf ul about anyt hi ng t o me. 3 Q Okay. St eve Cool ey, do you have an opi ni on as t o hi s 4 t r ut hf ul ness and cr edi bi l i t y? 5 A Same t hi ng. He' s cr edi bl e as f ar as I amconcer ned. He hasn' t 6 l ed me t o bel i eve nor have I been i nvol ved i n any i nci dences 7 t hat he' s been unt r ut hf ul . 8 Q Okay. What about J ason Nyhus, do you know hi m? 9 A Yes. 10 Q Do you have an opi ni on as t o hi s t r ut hf ul ness and cr edi bi l i t y? 11 A I woul d have t o say t he same t hi ng. I don' t - - I don' t have 12 any pr obl emwi t h hi s cr edi bi l i t y. He' s not been i n a si t uat i on 13 or I ' ve been i n a si t uat i on wi t h hi mwher e he has expr essed 14 anyt hi ng t hat I have f ound t o be f al se. 15 Q Okay. I don' t r emember hi s f i r st name. Taddoni o? Deput y 16 Taddoni o? 17 A Mi ke. 18 Q Mi ke, do you know hi m? 19 A Yes, I do. 20 Q Do you have been an opi ni on as t o hi s cr edi bi l i t y and 21 t r ut hf ul ness? 22 A He' s cr edi bl e. I haven' t had any si t uat i ons or been i nvol ved 23 i n any conver sat i ons or anyt hi ng el se t hat woul d l ead me t o 24 bel i eve ot her wi se. 25 Q Al l r i ght . J er emy Fr eeman, do you know hi m? Arthur Edge, March 11, 2014 Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County 3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 11 1 A Yes, I do. 2 Q And your opi ni on - - do you have an opi ni on as t o hi s 3 cr edi bi l i t y and t r ut hf ul ness? 4 A J er emy i s cr edi bl e. I don' t have - - I haven' t been i nvol ved i n 5 any si t uat i on wi t h hi m, nor have I had any conver sat i ons or 6 r emar ks t hat I have f ound t o be unt r ue. 7 Q Al l r i ght . Di d you have any connect i on t o t he Wi eder spohn 8 case? Do any i nvest i gat i on on t hat ? 9 A No. 10 Q Okay. Wi t h r egar ds t o t he i nvest i gat i on t hat Cool ey di d i n t he 11 mat t er of Mur phy, do you r ecal l bei ng i nt er vi ewed i n Mar ch 12 r egar di ng Deput y Mur phy' s comput er ? 13 A I nt er vi ewed i n Mar ch. By whom? 14 Q By Cool ey? 15 A I don' t r ecal l . I amsor r y. I don' t r ecal l t he nat ur e of t hat 16 conver sat i on. 17 Q Okay. Di d you do anyt hi ng t o pr epar e f or t oday' s dep? 18 A Yes. 19 Q And what di d you do t o pr epar e f or t he deposi t i on t oday? 20 A Conf i r mi ng my not es basi cal l y f r omt he t i me per i od wher e we - - 21 wher e I was i nvol ved i n t he acqui r i ng of Mur phy' s comput er - - 22 MDT. 23 Q Pr i or t o acqui r i ng hi s MDT, whi ch I bel i eve was t he 10t h of 24 Febr uar y 2012. 25 A Ri ght . Arthur Edge, March 11, 2014 Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County 3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 12 1 Q Have you had any cont act wi t h Mur phy? Di d you wor k wi t h hi mat 2 al l ? 3 A He was - - I don' t r ecal l i f he was ever on any of my shi f t s. 4 I f he was, i t was onl y one or t wo. So as f ar as on t he st r eet 5 wor ki ng wi t h hi mas a deput y, I di dn' t have t hat much cont act 6 wi t h hi m. 7 Q What had you hear d about hi mof f i ce- wi se? What had you hear d 8 about Paul Mur phy bef or e Febr uar y of 2012? 9 A I don' t t hi nk t hat I ' ve hear d a whol e l ot . I mean, he was 10 i nvol ved i n - - I amassumi ng t hat you' r e meani ng t he t i me 11 per i od when he was i n det ect i ves. 12 Q Wer e you awar e t hat he opposed El f o, f or exampl e, i n t he 13 campai gn? 14 A Yes. 15 Q How di d you l ear n of t hat ? 16 A Wel l , I under st ood t hat he had a Facebook page t hat was open t o 17 vi ewi ng. 18 Q Di d you ever vi ew i t ? 19 A I di d. 20 Q And di d you ever t al k t o El f o about i t ? 21 A Di d I ever t al k t o El f o about t he page? 22 Q Yeah. Or di d he ever t al k t o you? Was t her e ever a di scussi on 23 about t hat page? 24 A I ' msur e t hat t her e wer e some comment , but I don' t speci f i cal l y 25 r emember any comment s i n par t i cul ar . Arthur Edge, March 11, 2014 Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County 3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 13 1 Q Di d you suppor t El f o i n t he el ect i on? 2 A I di d. 3 Q Okay. Di d you par t i ci pat e i n any campai gn event s? 4 A No. 5 Q Di d you par t i ci pat e i n any f undr ai si ng or - - 6 A No. I di d not . 7 Q Get out t he vot es t ype of t hi ng? 8 A No. 9 Q Okay. Does What comCount y Sher i f f ' s Of f i ce have a Facebook 10 page? 11 A Yes. 12 Q Have you had any par t i ci pat i on wi t h t hat as an admi ni st r at or or 13 any connect i on t o i t ? 14 A I have cont r i but ed t o t hat , basi cal l y, a br i ef synopsi s of my 15 r ol e, what I over see and t he wor ki ngs of r ecor ds and vol unt eer 16 ser vi ces. So basi cal l y i t was an i nf or mat i onal t hi ng f or t he 17 publ i c. 18 Q So you put a post up about what you do t ype of t hi ng? 19 A Yes. 20 Q Okay. Have you ever been an admi ni st r at or of i t ? 21 A No. 22 Q Do you know who i s t he admi ni st r at or of t he Facebook page? 23 A I bel i eve t hat i t ' s t he under sher i f f . 24 Q When Rossmi l l er t ook Mur phy' s comput er on Febr uar y 10t h, di d 25 you have any f ur t her cont act wi t h - - i n t hat i nvest i gat i on Arthur Edge, March 11, 2014 Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County 3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 14 1 af t er j ust bei ng a wi t ness t o t hat ? 2 A Wel l , I di d wi t h t he I T di r ect or wi t h t he machi ne t hat was 3 basi cal l y mechani cal . 4 Q Descr i be f or me what you ar e meani ng wi t h t hat answer . 5 A Wel l , on t he 10t h, we t ook t he machi ne and Rossmi l l er r et ai ned 6 t hat over t he weekend. And t hen Monday, I t hi nk on t he 13t h, 7 t hat machi ne was di r ect ed t o me and I cont act ed t he di r ect or of 8 I T. 9 Q I s t hat Per r y Ri ce? 10 A Per r y Ri ce. Per r y came down t o my of f i ce. We phot ogr aphed t he 11 r emoval of t he - - and document ed exact l y what we di d wi t h t hat 12 machi ne i n r emovi ng t he har d dr i ve t hat was i n i t . 13 Q And t o your r ecol l ect i on, was t hat a har d dr i ve t hat had been 14 put i n t her e by t he count y? 15 A I assume so, yes. 16 Q Di d you have any conver sat i ons wi t h Ri ce about t hat pr ocess? 17 Thi s l ooks r i ght , t hi s doesn' t l ook r i ght , anyt hi ng l i ke t hat ? 18 A Wel l , we r emoved t he har d dr i ve out of t he machi ne. Bei ng a 19 Toughbook, i t has a copper f oi l cover on t he har d dr i ve and 20 t hat i s used t o heat t he har d dr i ve up i f t he Toughbook get s 21 t oo col d. I t wi l l go t hr ough a pr eheat pr ocess. 22 I di d not i ce when we pul l ed i t out t hat t her e was 23 mul t i pl e f i nger pr i nt and smudges al l over t hat copper t hat had 24 been et ched. I t hought t hat t hat was unusual t o see t hat many 25 f i nger pr i nt s on t hat , t hat par t i cul ar pi ece. Arthur Edge, March 11, 2014 Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County 3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 15 1 Q Okay. Di d you send t hose f i nger pr i nt s f or anal ysi s? 2 A I di d not , no. 3 Q Do you know i f t hat occur r ed? 4 A I do not know. 5 Q I f you di dn' t t ask t hat t o be done, who el se woul d have been i n 6 t hat i nvest i gat i on t hat woul d have t asked t hat ? 7 A Wel l , wi t h my - - i n t al ki ng about t he f i nger pr i nt s, my f i r st 8 quest i on was - - I ment i oned t hat t o one of t he I T f ol ks. He 9 sai d no, t hat ' s - - I ' ve seen t hat bef or e, appar ent l y ei t her 10 dur i ng some pr ocess t hat t hey wer e mai nt ai ni ng t he Toughbooks, 11 but he sai d t hat t her e have been f i nger pr i nt s on t hose bef or e, 12 so he' s seen t hat . 13 Q Di d t hat end your i nqui r y as f ar as t he - - 14 A I di dn' t push t he f i nger pr i nt i ssue, no. 15 Q Okay. So when you saw t hat , di d you t hi nk t hat t hose woul d 16 have been Paul ' s f i nger pr i nt s on t hat ? 17 A I don' t know. 18 Q When you saw t hat and you asked t he I T peopl e, what wer e you 19 t hi nki ng? That t hose woul d - - 20 A Wel l , obvi ousl y, when you see f i nger pr i nt s, you want t o know or 21 you' r e t hi nki ng about , how di d t hey get t her e? So t hat was t he 22 pr ocess why I asked. 23 Q Di d t hat end t he i nqui r y f or you? That I T says, yeah, t her e' s 24 f i nger pr i nt s on t her e, i t ' s not unusual ? 25 A I di dn' t do anyt hi ng el se about t hat as f ar as t hat was Arthur Edge, March 11, 2014 Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County 3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 16 1 concer ned. My r ol e at t hat t i me was t o be a wi t ness t her e wi t h 2 t he I T di r ect or t o pul l t hat har d dr i ve and t o make sur e t hat 3 we di d t hat cor r ect l y. 4 Q Okay. Pr i or t o goi ng out on t he 10t h t o col l ect t he har d dr i ve 5 or t o col l ect t he MDT, do you r ecal l a meet i ng wi t h Rossmi l l er 6 and Par ks and El f o? 7 A Yes. 8 Q Tel l me about t hat meet i ng. 9 A What I r ecal l was t hat , basi cal l y, we went over t he pl an on how 10 t hi s was t o occur . And t hat i t was deci ded t hat we want ed a 11 st af f l evel of f i cer t o be t her e t o wi t ness as wel l wi t h a 12 l i eut enant . I t t ur ned out t hat t her e was a ser geant pr esent as 13 wel l when t he MDT was t aken. 14 Ther e was goi ng t o be a set - - al r eady est abl i shed gr oup 15 of quest i ons so t hat al l of t hese quest i ons coul d be r ead 16 ver bat i m. And t hat t her e wasn' t any doubt what was goi ng t o be 17 asked and what was goi ng t o be r epor t ed t o Deput y Mur phy. 18 Q Whose i dea was i t as t o t he quest i ons t hat wer e asked? 19 A I don' t r ecal l i f i t was one - - any one per son i n par t i cul ar . 20 I t mi ght have been t he gr oup. 21 Q Okay. Wer e you awar e f r omt hose meet i ngs - - f r ommeet i ngs l i ke 22 t hat and conver sat i ons of t he concer n i n t he depar t ment f or 23 what Paul had been post i ng on var i ous Facebook pages and/ or 24 ot her websi t es? 25 A At t hat poi nt , I wasn' t awar e t hat he was doi ng anyt hi ng l i ke Arthur Edge, March 11, 2014 Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County 3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 17 1 t hat . What I was awar e of i s t hat t her e wer e - - what I knew 2 about i t at t hat poi nt was t hat t her e was some al l egat i ons t hat 3 Paul had been put t i ng a di f f er ent dr i ve i n hi s machi ne or 4 ment i oni ng somet hi ng t o t hat ef f ect . And t hat - - t hat ' s what 5 - - t hat ' s how we got t o t hat poi nt . 6 Q Okay. Wer e you i n any conver sat i ons bef or e t hat about t he 7 SECTOR cl ass - - 8 A Mm- hm. 9 Q - - wher e t he conver sat i on appar ent l y t ook pl ace about cl oni ng? 10 A I wasn' t t her e. So you' r e aski ng what my i nvol vement was? 11 Q Af t er t he SECTOR cl ass and bef or e t he i nvest i gat i on, wer e you 12 i nvol ved i n any conver sat i ons wher e somebody sai d t hat t hi s i s 13 what we sai d, we shoul d i nvest i gat e t hi s? 14 A No. 15 Q Anyt hi ng l i ke t hat ? 16 A No. Huh- huh. 17 Q Okay. 18 A I r eal l y st ar t ed t o know about t hat when we had our meet i ng 19 bef or e t hat t aki ng t he Toughbook. 20 Q Okay. Wer e you essent i al l y br ought i n at t hat poi nt because 21 t hey want ed your l evel t o be pr esent ? 22 A I t hi nk t hat t he sher i f f want ed command st af f t her e and 23 ever ybody t o be awar e of what t he si t uat i on was. I act ual l y 24 vol unt eer ed t o be pr esent because t he ot her chi ef , Chi ef 25 Chadwi ck, was not goi ng t o be avai l abl e, so I vol unt eer ed. Arthur Edge, March 11, 2014 Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County 3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 18 1 Q Okay. Al l r i ght . Do you know why or wer e you i n any 2 conver sat i ons or meet i ngs wi t h Rossmi l l er bei ng t asked t o si t 3 i n on t he Cool ey i nvest i gat i on of Mur phy? 4 A No. 5 Q Ar e you awar e of any r eason f r omyour exper i ence of 26 year s 6 doi ng i nvest i gat i ons - - 7 A Mm- hm. 8 Q - - of why a per son who was par t of t he i nvest i gat i on, a 9 wi t ness, woul d be t asked wi t h super vi si ng an i nvest i gat i on? 10 MR. KAMERRER: Obj ect i on. Mi sst at es t he evi dence. 11 I t ' s vague, ambi guous, cal l s f or specul at i on. 12 THE WI TNESS: You' r e goi ng t o have t o ask me t hat 13 agai n. 14 Q ( By Mr . But l er ) Okay. Rossmi l l er was j ust i n her e. 15 A Ri ght . 16 Q And he sat i n on a Cool ey i nt er vi ew of Mur phy i n May. 17 A Okay. 18 Q He i ndi cat ed t hat he was t her e t o r ead t he quest i ons - - t he 19 quest i ons t hat wer e goi ng t o be asked wer e scr i pt ed. 20 A Ri ght . 21 Q And he was t her e t o make sur e t hat Cool ey asked al l of t hose 22 quest i ons. Ar e you - - so gi ven t hat as hi s t ask, ar e you awar e 23 of any r eason why somebody who was al so a par t of t he 24 i nvest i gat i on - - 25 MR. KAMERRER: I want t o j ust get an obj ect i on i n. Arthur Edge, March 11, 2014 Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County 3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 19 1 THE WI TNESS: No. 2 MR. KAMERRER: The same obj ect i on t hat I st at ed 3 ear l i er and i t mi sst at es Li eut enant Rossmi l l er ' s t est i mony. Go 4 ahead t hough. 5 THE WI TNESS: I don' t know. I wasn' t par t of t hat 6 pr ocess. So why he was t her e, I coul dn' t t el l you. 7 Q ( By Mr . But l er ) When you wer e i nt er vi ewed, di d t he 8 under sher i f f or t he sher i f f send anybody t o make sur e t hat 9 Cool ey asked you t he r i ght quest i ons? 10 A No. Ther e wasn' t anybody el se. 11 Q Okay. Ar e you awar e of any r eason f r omyour exper i ence why 12 Cool ey woul dn' t be abl e t o ask t he quest i ons t hat wer e scr i pt ed 13 f or hi mt o ask? 14 A Agai n, I wasn' t i nvol ved i n t he pr ocess, but I guess not . 15 MR. BUTLER: Okay. I have not hi ng f ur t her . 16 MR. KAMERRER: I have no quest i ons. 17 ( Si gnat ur e Reser ved) 18 ( Deposi t i on Adj our ned) 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Arthur Edge, March 11, 2014 Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County 3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201 BMA Court Reporters, (425) 252.7277 20 1 C E R T I F I C A T E 2 STATE OF WASHI NGTON ) ) ss. 3 COUNTY OF I SLAND ) 4 I , Kr i st en M. Uhl i g, t he under si gned CCR i n and f or t he St at e of Washi ngt on, do her eby cer t i f y: 5 That t he annexed and f or egoi ng deposi t i on of t he wi t ness 6 named her ei n was t aken st enogr aphi cal l y bef or e me and t r anscr i bed by me; 7 I f ur t her cer t i f y t hat t he wi t ness exami ned, r ead, and si gned 8 t he deposi t i on af t er t he same was t r anscr i bed, unl ess i ndi cat ed i n t he r ecor d t hat t he par t i es and t he wi t ness wai ve t he si gnat ur e; 9 I f ur t her cer t i f y t hat al l of t he obj ect i ons made at t he t i me 10 of sai d exami nat i on t o my qual i f i cat i ons or t he manner of t aki ng t he deposi t i on, or t o t he conduct of any par t y, have been not ed by 11 me upon sai d deposi t i on; 12 I f ur t her cer t i f y t hat I amnot a r el at i ve or empl oyee or at t or ney or counsel of any of t he par t i es t o sai d act i on or 13 counsel , and t hat I amnot f i nanci al l y i nt er est ed i n t he sai d act i on or t he out come t her eof ; 14 I f ur t her cer t i f y t hat t he deposi t i on, as t r anscr i bed, i s a 15 f ul l , t r ue, and accur at e t r anscr i pt of t he t est i mony, i ncl udi ng al l quest i ons and answer s, and al l obj ect i ons, mot i ons and except i ons 16 of counsel made and t aken at t he t i me of t he f or egoi ng exami nat i on; 17 I f ur t her cer t i f y t hat I amseal i ng t he deposi t i on i n an envel ope wi t h t he t i t l e t o t he above cause t her eon and mar ked 18 " Deposi t i on Upon Or al Exami nat i on" of sai d wi t ness and pr ompt l y causi ng t he same t o be del i ver ed or f or war ded t o Counsel f or t he 19 Opposi ng Par t y; 20 I N WI TNESS THEREOF, I have her eunt o set my hand and af f i xed my of f i ci al seal t hi s ___ day of ____________, 2014. 21 22 __________________________ 23 Kr i st en M. Uhl i g, #1934 Cer t i f i ed Cour t Repor t er , 24 Resi di ng i n Cl i nt on, Washi ngt on. 25