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BigSchultz
Well yes the GOP is certainly in a bit of trouble.
But they live on in the Democrat Party. In fact the Democrats are even better at
being Republicans than the Republicans because they can pretend to be 'caring' and
'inclusive'.
Obama has been an outstanding President of the United States.
14 July 2014 11:21am
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demorat BigSchultz
kindly inform us of a single "outstanding" achievement by obama that has
not turned to dung before our eyes.
better, inform us of a single campaign promise of any real value that obama
has kept.
14 July 2014 11:38am
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Witness1 demorat
Well, you have to admit, anything that was turned to dung happened with an
awful lot of help from the Republicans. They worked really hard to turn
everything they could into shit so they could say "see Obama hasn't done
anything of real value". And, of course, the morons went for it.
14 July 2014 11:53am
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Addison Jones demorat
Even if listed; in la land they dont exist. This is as the article suggests the
14 July 2014 11:56am
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19 PEOPLE, 22 COMMENTS
shalone
Republicans are in disarray. It appears Obama is not as bad they tells us and their
internal feuds are hurting them more with their negative talk and opposing anything
Democrats want. I hope things improve.
14 July 2014 11:24am
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timecop shalone
Obama is not as bad they tells us
That's a campaign slogan for the ages, right there.
This column is typical for the author, but convincing people of the urgency
of supporting you because some alternative might somehow be worse is
hardly compelling.
This is already shaping up to be a dismal political year.
14 July 2014 11:30am
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Addison Jones timecop
Which is possibly why the House has spent the past few years passing bills
of note. Not.
14 July 2014 12:05pm
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timecop Addison Jones
Which is possibly why the Senate has spent the past few years passing
14 July 2014 12:09pm
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8 PEOPLE, 8 COMMENTS
Show 5 more replies Last reply: 14 July 2014 8:54pm
imalwaysangry2
Conservatives are stuck in a perpetual outrage loop
Not as outraged as lefties are at O'bomber though, eh?
It's like a Bizzaro reflection of the British lefty outrage at Blair.
Never mind. You can say he was really a Republican in a few years like the Labour
shills in this country. Perhaps Bush will call the Democrats "his greatest
achievement"
14 July 2014 11:30am
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Jeremiah2000 imalwaysangry2
Nothing like starting out your essay with projection so large that, if it was
twinkie, it would be thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred
pounds.
As the liberals churn the faux outrage machine at football team names, a
parade entry featuring Obama in the outhouse (somehow it's racist despite
being completely race neutral), a senile NBA owner...(do I see a pattern
here?), they can claim that all the true scandals of the Obama
administration are fake scandals - all the ones that would have them
marching in the streets if Bush had committed them.
14 July 2014 1:56pm
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NoOneYouKnowNow Jeremiah2000
Americans tried marching in the streets against Obama's scandalous
policies, and Obama--with a lot of help from his conservative friends--
crushed them. Real liberals despise Obama as just another rightwinger. But
that doesn't give rightwing sockpuppets much to work with, does it?
14 July 2014 3:34pm
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paulrudolph imalwaysangry2
The "British Left" were always against Blair.
14 July 2014 4:45pm
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9 PEOPLE, 15 COMMENTS
guaaaaardiaaaaan
Massive comprehensive welfare states may work in small racially and culturally
homogenous nations in Northern Europe, but they certainly don't work anywhere
else.
America is balkanising and all the Millennials are doing is trying to be as polite as
possible to absolutely everyone.
14 July 2014 11:33am
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JimNolan guaaaaardiaaaaan
Massive comprehensive welfare states may work in small racially
and culturally homogenous nations in Northern Europe, but...
There are no "racially and culturally homogenous" nations in Northern
Europe. The Norwegians* even had a radical rightwinger go postal with his
small personal armoury because of it - how American can you get?
"Obama cannot do what Obama is very evidently doing because Americans
aren't all blonde" won't work any more - you need a new line.
14 July 2014 11:46am
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aren't all blonde" won't work any more - you need a new line.
* Norway is 14.9% foreign-born or first-generation immigrant.
guaaaaardiaaaaan JimNolan
Interesting. Looks like Northern Europe is Balkanising too.
Say goodbye to your welfare states.
14 July 2014 12:54pm
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JimNolan guaaaaardiaaaaan
Say goodbye to your welfare states.
14 July 2014 2:27pm
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19 PEOPLE, 24 COMMENTS
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Arbuzov
I wouldn't break out the Democratic champagne just yet. The supposedly-dead
Republican Party is set to take the Senate this November, and Americans have a
long established habit of tossing the presidency back and forth between the two
parties every eight years or so. After two Obama terms, a Republican win in 2016
wouldn't surprise me in the least.
14 July 2014 11:34am
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timecop Arbuzov
People like Cox are already going out of their way to convince everybody
that (pick your candidate here) running as a Republican would be inferior in
every way to her holiness the anointed candidate of candidates because it's
her turn Hillary. So the Republicans are fading except where they are
winning, and they are only winning because the voters have been somehow
misled about their evil intentions.
We'll see. The beauty of elections is that the longer it's been since the last
one, the sooner it is to the next. November should be an eye-opener.
14 July 2014 11:47am
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Witness1 timecop
They are only winning due to Republican rampant gerrymandering, and the
"stupids" that make up their base who are easily misled as you say.
14 July 2014 11:50am
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timecop Witness1
What a load of crap. If you are truly convinced that any and all of your
14 July 2014 12:01pm
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5 PEOPLE, 6 COMMENTS
callaspodeaspode
Democrats bear their shame of blame for this. If you turn your party into an
economic policy Xerox of the GOP offering, it's no surprise that all issues being
fought over will end up being silly 'Culture War' conspiracy theories and other
distractions.
Now, nobody is going to deny that gay rights and right to contraception and abortion
are important. But when they're virtually the only distinguishing factors between the
parties, which have otherwise become near indistinguishable in their subservience to
big business and billionaires, then of course the Republicans will tack to the right
even further. Into the realms of becoming a quasi-theocratic cult organisation of
increasingly vile views, both religious and economic.
Dinesh D'Souza, the Oliver Stone of the Tea Party, has now made two movies about
the meaning of Obama's presidency. The first, 2016: Obama's America, garnered an
astounding $33m at the box office, and his lawyers blamed disappointing returns
14 July 2014 11:40am
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from this summer's America on a Google conspiracy to confuse moviegoers about
its showtimes. (Of course.)
There is a profound difference between Oliver Stone and Dinesh D'Souza, although I
understand the comparison is sarcastic. The former has little or no influence on the
Democratic Party. Looney-tunes theorists like D'Souza advocate ideas that are,
plain and simply, what passes for 'mainstream' Republicanism these days.
D'Souza's theory that Obama is an embittered anti-colonial (since when should
Americans have a problem with that?) socialist Mau Mau-type out to destroy the
USA is the same garbage that senior Republicans in Washington DC come out with.
Witness1 callaspodeaspode
Birth control and Gay marriage are the only two distinguishing factors
between the two parties? You're going to have to increase your reading list.
Seriously, you are completely uninformed.
14 July 2014 11:49am
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callaspodeaspode Witness1
Well, I suppose it all depends on whether you think that economics is
fundamental to a party's political philosophy. It's only reasonable if you can
point me to areas of economic policy where there are genuine points of
contention between the two parties. I make three fundamental claims:
1) The Democratic Party has tacked (since Bill Clinton masterminded the
'New Democrats') economically to the right over the past 20+ years. It was,
of course, hardly a socialist party before that. That should not really be in
any way contentious a claim. I am also hardly the first person to claim that
there is little substantial difference in economic philosophy between the two
parties.
2) The battleground for political ideas and identity between the two parties
are largely refracted through the lens of 'Culture War' issues. Gay rights,
abortion, guns, God in schools, etc. I merely gave a couple of examples.
The emphasis on 'Culture War' arguments in contemporary politics is, again,
not an original observation by me. You may well argue, as I would, that the
'Culture Wars' were designed, built and operated by the right-wing, but given
the Democratic Party's spineless surrender to the wishes of the wealthiest,
they have, ironically, been forced to engage ad nauseam with the
conservatives on these issues, as they have nothing else substantive to
offer the voters in way of fundamental economic change.
3) Both parties are blatantly in hock to the wishes of big business and
super-wealthy individuals, via a political system that is patently corrupted
by big money. Both parties are thus knee-deep in policies designed to
consolidate and increase corporate welfare.
Now, if you have any disagreement with the above claims, please feel free
to tell me where you think I'm incorrect.
14 July 2014 1:06pm
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peakchoicedotorg callaspodeaspode
The pundits will never forgive Oliver Stone for daring to make a movie about
14 July 2014 1:13pm
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7 PEOPLE, 11 COMMENTS
Zakida
The US electorate is just as pathetically blinkered as the UK electorate. All the
Americans I have spoken to in recent years despise both Republicans and
Democrats and yet they just keep on voting for them (similar to UK voters and
Tories and Labour).
A sizable majority of Americans that I have spoken to were completely unaware of
the alternatives at the last presidential election, they didn't even know who Gary
Johnson was.
14 July 2014 11:41am
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ScalesOfJustice Zakida
In the 2010 UK general election the combined vote share for Labour and the
Conservatives was 65.1%.
14 July 2014 1:29pm
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Conservatives was 65.1%.
In the 2012 US Presidential election the combined vote share for Obama
and Romney was 98.3%.
There is no similarity. Compared to the US, voters in the UK choose to vote
for a cornucopia of political parties.
Jeremiah2000 Zakida
This is the quote that should be highlighted: "Only 16% of millennials can
accurately define socialism, making it less surprising that up to 42% prefer
socialism and 52% favor capitalism."
The millenials are completely screwed. The few that aren't looking for a
government handout and the fewer that actually get a job (waiting tables)
will be the one guy in front of the cart while 20 people in the cart will be
shouting at him to pull faster. But not only that, there will be the corpses of
dead baby boomers in the cart who voted for big government and big
government debt but not big government taxes.
14 July 2014 2:08pm
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Zepp Jeremiah2000
This is the quote that should be highlighted: "Only 16% of
14 July 2014 5:09pm
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palfreyman
this next generation is not just inclusive, but conflict-adverse.
It's "averse" not "adverse". Please read the Graun style guide.
Also, you are in "proximity to" rather than "proximity of".
Actually I don't know why I'm posting this, it's just that this sort of thing irks me.
14 July 2014 11:46am
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Witness1 palfreyman
"Adverse": 1: Catchy jingle designed to sell something. 2: A political party
(same result).
14 July 2014 12:48pm
3
SteveofCaley palfreyman
If you might, please consider offering us a link to the Graun style guide. I
infer that it rings with authoritative splendor, and I thrill with anticipation of
cracking into it. However, I fear it has such familiarity to you that you do not
cite it precisely - you seem to refer to it with the easy friendship of a good
and sturdy intellectual companion. I should like to be introduced, please.
We unlittered lots beg to know.
14 July 2014 2:40pm
3
peacefulmilitant palfreyman
Actually I don't know why I'm posting this, it's just that this sort of
14 July 2014 2:44pm
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8 PEOPLE, 10 COMMENTS
JeffersonAirplane
There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party and it has two
right wings: Republican and Democrat.
Gore Vidal
14 July 2014 11:47am
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Why must you persist in the delusion that there is any radical difference betwixt the
two parties?
timecop JeffersonAirplane
Why must you persist in the delusion that there is any radical
difference betwixt the two parties?
They get paid to persist.
14 July 2014 11:50am
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JeffersonAirplane timecop
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."
How depressing...
14 July 2014 11:55am
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Sarer JeffersonAirplane
This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn't abide by our
14 July 2014 1:59pm
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ThomasOMalley
The popularity of the GOP will fluctuate from decade to decade. Yes, those who
grew up during the eras of Clinton (a high-polling Democrat) and Bush (a low-polling
Republican) will tend to vote Democrat. But what about those who've grown up under
Obama (a low-polling Democrat)?
The political landscape can completely alter when you least expect it. Right now,
America has a selfish, libertarian right and a self-righteous, insular left. God knows
what that will lead to a few years down the road. I wouldn't be surprised if some
great sociopolitical sea-change could usher a Republican back into the Oval Office
in 2020 or even 2016.
14 July 2014 11:48am
10
Addison Jones ThomasOMalley
The only way would be for the Republicans to ditch its southern strategy.
14 July 2014 12:01pm
11
Jeremiah2000 ThomasOMalley
Look for complete economic collapse to change things. Cloward Pivens is
working.
14 July 2014 2:13pm
2
TheConstitution2A ThomasOMalley
a selfish, libertarian right
14 July 2014 4:30pm
1
6 PEOPLE, 7 COMMENTS
SonOfTheDesert
You mean focusing overwhelmingly on angry ageing white men wasn't that good an
idea? Blimey.
I wonder how long it'll take before there's a large enough body of people within the
GOP who realise the wrong (in a purely electoral sense) direction they've taken and
have the will to change it. My guess is: actually not that long.
14 July 2014 11:50am
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Show 4 more replies Last reply: 14 July 2014 5:32pm
The closer you get to the fringes of any political party, right or left, you find ever
more people who believe their extreme views are shared by the majority. And
inevitably, it ends up being these members and voters who shout the loudest. But
sooner or later, the majority of the party who aren't from those hardline wings will
have the power to take (or regain) control - power gained from electoral defeats.
Ultimately, the desire to win votes trumps the desire to please fundamentalist
ideologies.
timecop SonOfTheDesert
Covering compromise and the middle ground is boring stuff to any journalist
who yearns to make a difference with her keyboard.
14 July 2014 11:52am
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Witness1 SonOfTheDesert
If you think it's not going to take that long you haven't been paying
attention. It just keeps getting worse, they're idiots and they have idiots for
their base, it's how they roll.
14 July 2014 12:46pm
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timecop Witness1
If you think it's not going to take that long you haven't been
14 July 2014 1:45pm
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5 PEOPLE, 5 COMMENTS
RedSperanza
But liberals can't be complacent about their demographic advantage.
No they can't. Millenials are small "c" conservatives in many ways,and not very
radical. They accept social liberalism as a given, as their grandparents accepted the
values of the 1950s as a given. Respect for pluralitiy of identity is the morality of our
age, and a good thing too.
But millenials have also internalised a lot of the mythologies of neoliberalism. I read
one survey that found that millenials are oppossed to racism, but equally oppossed
to affirmative action - as if the problems of historic discrimination and inequality can
be solved by simply "respecting the individual" and allowing the free market to take
care of the rest.
That's a worryingly dumb opinion ...
14 July 2014 11:52am
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BlueHobo RedSperanza
But millenials have also internalised a lot of the mythologies of
neoliberalism. I read one survey that found that millenials are
oppossed to racism, but equally oppossed to affirmative action
I think that's a perfectly good opinion. Not sure if this makes me a
"millenial" (I think I'm too old) or just "dumb" (apparently) for thinking that
discrimination is bad.
14 July 2014 12:37pm
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lesenfantsterrible RedSperanza
I agree but this depends on who those surveyed as "millennial" it seems
this catchall term obfuscates (as these things tend to do) which is class
distinction. One should wonder if those considered to be millennials
surveyed were born in the nations ghettos but I figure something like "
recent survey of middle class urban dwellers think x about y" might be too
radical for well journals catering to liberal readers.
I once held the position that having contradictory positions is something
dumb but have come to realize that is what makes the middle class so
unique; their material condition is of exposure to common, working people
yet their politics reflect their material relation to the modes of production. It
14 July 2014 8:04pm
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yet their politics reflect their material relation to the modes of production. It
comes as no surprise the millennial position is one of contradiction between
equality before the law and conservative views towards capitalism not to
mention complacency, and willful ignorance of the atrocities/power
structures that uphold the very order that gives them bread particularly in an
age when even multicultural tolerance of others is good for the cv.
Lets see what happens for now as the declining position of the middle class
will be an interesting thing to see, we're all going to be magazine bloggers at
fashion week who dumpster dive for survival...
kickitup RedSperanza
I'm the mother of two millennials and they would both probably say they are
14 July 2014 9:32pm
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GrahamRounce
the Hobby Lobby ... drown out the voice of an entire generation ... poll
about that generation
Hobby Lobby? What generation??
It's only the pic of Palin that gives a slight clue as to what the article is supposed to be
about.
14 July 2014 11:52am
3
SteveofCaley GrahamRounce
I fear that I won't exactly understand this Corporation/Person discussion
until General Motors has a bris.
14 July 2014 2:28pm
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3 PEOPLE, 3 COMMENTS
hquain
Very odd how this author confuses 'liberal' with 'Democrat'.
Even odder is the lack of reference to how the US system works. The right does not
now command anything like a national majority. Its power base lies in the judiciary
and in enough of the states to ensure effective minority control of the federal
government. A reality-based analyst would be trying to figure out how this political
apparatus is going to fare in the next decade or two.
14 July 2014 11:56am
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Witness1 hquain
Pretty well if their gerrymandered districts hold up.
14 July 2014 12:44pm
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CautiousOptimist Witness1
You do know that Democrats gerrymander, too? Right?
14 July 2014 6:41pm
1
4 PEOPLE, 4 COMMENTS
demorat
wait until the millennials have to start paying the bills
14 July 2014 11:56am
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Witness1 demorat
Like paying for the two Bush wars, they'll hate Republicans even more.
14 July 2014 12:43pm
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Like paying for the two Bush wars, they'll hate Republicans even more.
KevinFinn Witness1
Like paying for Obamacare!
14 July 2014 2:01pm
5
hubbahubba demorat
Seems about right.
This generation, just like the 60s radicals turned into reactionary
Republicans in the 80s, when they realised how much their taxes were.
Just look at that 1960's 'Yippee' Jerry Rubin, a liberal protester turned
millionaire businessman.
14 July 2014 8:38pm
1
2 PEOPLE, 2 COMMENTS
NiceSunnyWall
I would like the author to know I only read this piece to find out exactly what gay
clouds were (homosexual agenda damn interwebs?) and still remain as
unenlightened as when I saw the sub headline.
14 July 2014 11:59am
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timecop NiceSunnyWall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLO7tCdBVrA
14 July 2014 12:06pm
5
2 PEOPLE, 2 COMMENTS
StonewallJ
Corrupt Republican establishment types such as Rove & McCain hate
conservatives, too. It's all about feeding at the public trough & going along to get
along.
14 July 2014 12:03pm
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callaspodeaspode StonewallJ
Karl Rove hated conservatives so much he spent much of his life appealing
to their base ignorance and malevolence by masterminding electoral
campaigns aimed at getting their vote.
Doubtless all a conspiracy. Maybe he's a secret Marxist.
Of course, he probably didn't realise, or didn't care, that the problem with
riding a tiger is the dismounting from said slavering and enraged beast.
That a life spent promulgating far-right dog whistles, mistruths, conspiracy
theories and generally sadistic and vicious policies, might well result in his
target market becoming a monster even he can't control any more.
Hence people like you.
14 July 2014 4:37pm
10
3 PEOPLE, 4 COMMENTS
DrFrankNFurter
What turns millennials off about the GOP are things that GOP can change (if it is
willing). Basically the social conservative, fundamentalist Christian agenda is one
that just repels young people. The GOP will need to distance itself from that kind of
stuff if it wants to flourish in the longer term.
Ten years ago people could preach their "Young Earth Creationism" and the more
extreme end of the "tolerance of gayness will lead to the sky falling-in" mantras and,
14 July 2014 12:09pm
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extreme end of the "tolerance of gayness will lead to the sky falling-in" mantras and,
whilst they were regarded as a) fairly extreme and b) certainly not views that most
people shared, there was a certain tolerance of it. Then it was regarded as being on
the fringe but not entirely over the line of what the mainstream was prepared to live
with. Now, I think, especially with millennials, it is regarded as just plain crazy. And
people just don't vote for "crazy".
Go the GOP needs to dump the creationists and the fundamentalist crowd and go
secular. Otherwise they will have an increasingly serious credibility issue.
Witness1 DrFrankNFurter
If they dumped the creationists and the fundamentalists they wouldn't have
a party.
14 July 2014 12:42pm
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KevinFinn Witness1
If they dumped the creationists and the fundamentalists they
wouldn't have a party
BS.
I have been saying for a long time to get rid of the bible thumpers. There is
a separation of church and state for a reason - keep it that way. Roe is the
law of the land - keep it that way.
14 July 2014 2:00pm
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Witness1 KevinFinn
You are not the republican party.
14 July 2014 5:50pm
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5 PEOPLE, 7 COMMENTS
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youlot
Wow. Young people are more left-wing than old people. Who would have guessed?
14 July 2014 12:13pm
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timecop youlot
Winston Churchill:
"Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with
no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with
no brains."
14 July 2014 12:18pm
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youlot timecop
Exactly. And young people tend to have less money. Sharing it around is
much nicer when it's not yours.
14 July 2014 12:26pm
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Witness1 timecop
Well, Winston Churchill was an obese, rich, warmonger, what did you
14 July 2014 12:42pm
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8 PEOPLE, 9 COMMENTS
EriMac
Conservatives are stuck in a perpetual outrage loop.
That has to be the funniest line I've read in a long time. There is nothing so
perpetually outraged as a lefty commentator.
14 July 2014 12:16pm
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perpetually outraged as a lefty commentator.
As for the gloating over the demographic decline of the republicans, I would note two
things:
1) Young people get older
2) Political parties are not static things with fixed values but are in a constant state
of renewal
People have been predicting the imminent demise of either the Republicans or the
Democrats for over a hundred years. There still both here.
BlueHobo EriMac
Yeah I chortled at that too. Using CiF to bemoan someone else's "strategy
of outrage upon outrage upon outrage". LOL.
14 July 2014 12:34pm
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Witness1 EriMac
Young people may get older but only conservatives get stupider as they get
older, liberals do not. Political parties are pretty damned static. Republicans
have been gunning for Social Security for the last 30 years. They've hated
people on welfare for the same amount of time and never saw a war they
didn't love. Some things never change.
14 July 2014 12:40pm
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wearenotalllikethat EriMac
"There is nothing so perpetually outraged as a lefty commentator"
14 July 2014 1:22pm
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3 PEOPLE, 5 COMMENTS
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BlueHobo
It's not surprising. I think youngsters are always less socially conservative. Does
the survey compare them against the opinions of their parents generation? Or
against the opinions their parents' generation had when they were young?
That said, even if youngsters are even less socially conservative now than in
youngsters of the past (which I think probably is the case), it could also be a bad
thing for the Dems too. I think a lot of youngsters perhaps lean towards
Libertarianism rather than what some see as the "Govt will solve everything"
collectivism of the Democrats.
14 July 2014 12:32pm
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Witness1 BlueHobo
I'm 67, I was a liberal when I was young and I'm a liberal now.
Conservatives have always been assholes, they were then and they are
now. Also, I don't get all weird when observing "Gay" clouds. Neither my
wife nor I ever had a problem with Gay people aside from the problems they
cause themselves by being too sensitive because of the way they've been
treated all their lives.
14 July 2014 12:39pm
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BlueHobo Witness1
Err...that's all great, but why did you post it as a "reply" to me?
14 July 2014 1:02pm
2
KevinFinn Witness1
aside from the problems they cause themselves by being too
14 July 2014 1:54pm
3
georgef
"This generation is racially diverse" As a 50 year old that grew up in the 70s,
Brooklyn is the least diverse I have ever seen it. Including housing policies designed
to move blacks out to small towns in Appalachia. As long as the new immigrants
bus tables, care for the elderly, have no political power of their own and have no
voting rights, young white people love'm. Eventually the children of the Hispanic
waitstaff and Korean pedicurists will exercise political power.
This is the pattern of the great migration of blacks from the South to the North. At
first everything was fine but then in the late 60s the children of the great migration
started rioting. It is also the process you see with the rioting in France and
elsewhere in Europe.
Additionally it is not clear how white people will react to losing control over technical
fields like medicine and law to East and South Asians. Establishment institutions
like the Ivy league and the military academies don't seem ready to adjust to losing
their 'legacy' positions to those with higher test scores.
" hog-castrating mini-Palin" Evidently you don't know where food comes from or how
it is made. But you have a curious suspicion of anyone who, unlike Hillary Clinton or
Barack Obama, may have had a job at any point in their life.
Possibly authentic Black woman upset at immigration policy:
Frustration boils over as Houston woman goes on epic rant about illegal immigrant
children
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/07/10/frustration-boils-over-as-houston-woman-
goes-on-epic-rant-about-illegal-immigrant-children-130682
14 July 2014 12:38pm
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2 PEOPLE, 2 COMMENTS
Jaypeden
Hillary Clinton more popular that Barack Obama?
Obama cannot run again for president, Ms Clinton can - so what't the issue?
14 July 2014 12:43pm
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Pete Shoults Jaypeden
Coattails.
14 July 2014 1:30pm
mikedow
Drama Queens On Welfare.
14 July 2014 12:48pm
1
CharlesCU
I am mystified why the term GOP continues to be used.
There is nothing 'Grand' about the Republican Party.
14 July 2014 12:50pm
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kycol1
Pretty much of a pie-in-the sky article. The GOP may be in a long tailspin but it is
very much alive politically at this time. The GOP needs to win six senate seats to
take control of the Senate by having one more seat above Biden's tie breaking vote.
Seven of the Democratic seats up for grabs in November are in states that went for
Romney. It looks pretty certain that the seats in South Dakota, West Virginia and
Montana are going to go republican. In most polls, republicans are ahead in
Louisiana, Arkansas and nudging in Colorado. Even if there is a 50-50 split with
Biden casting the tie-breaking vote, it will be a disaster for the nation. While I
personally believe that taking control of both houses would eventually result in the
destruction of the GOP, it will be hell on the nation, especially the middle class and
the poor until those ideologues who support the GOP now realize what they have
done. Everything that Ms. Cox says may eventually come to past but not likely in
14 July 2014 1:05pm
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done. Everything that Ms. Cox says may eventually come to past but not likely in
the near future. Apathy in the Democratic voters is the real enemy here and the only
cure is a turn-out like the one in Obama's first election. I don't see that happening.
Pretty much of pie-in-the sky article.
snakeoilsalesman
It will be interesting to see how the Green Party does in this year's elections.
14 July 2014 1:07pm
3
WoodDust
Okay the GOP sux, if the democrats had answers we wouldn't have this tool in
office. Bunch of drunken fratboys running the US.
14 July 2014 1:10pm
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MiltonWiltmellow
Ten solutions to Republican party/Tea Party woes:
1. Drown each other in a bathtub.
2. Shoot each other with assault rifles.
3. Deny each other proper medical care.
4. Sell junk bonds to bankrupt each other
5. Poison each other with fracked water.
6. Send each other to Iraq to fight the terrorists.
7. Crush each other with collapsing infrastructure.
8. Sue each other for slander.
9, Pass laws to prevent each other from voting.
10. Demand each other be forcibly returned to their country of origin.
14 July 2014 1:12pm
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2 PEOPLE, 2 COMMENTS
beathoven
Those unhappy millennials need to get out and vote in November. Complaining to
the mirror won't change anything
14 July 2014 1:14pm
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timecop beathoven
With two teams that none of then really like playing baseball in a game they
don't care about at the end of a disappointing season -- in the rain --- it will
take more then promises of a better future and cheap beer to get them to
turn out for the "Big November Finale."
14 July 2014 1:31pm
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3 PEOPLE, 3 COMMENTS
NYbill13
Hope The Kids Are Brave
I hope you're right about young voters shunning conservative rhetoric. you must be
brave nowadays to discuss politics.
My feeling is that there is always a threat of ugly confrontation or long-term
retaliation if you do.
In schools, in the workplace, at social gatherings expressing your views often result
in embarrassment, unemployment and ostracism.
It would be fine if all the far-right opportunists fell into a black hole and vanished
entirely from our species.
I hope younger voters can at least tell the difference between leaders who try to
govern on behalf of the governed, and those who use public office exclusively for
personal gain.
If they can reason, they should be able to progress at least that far.
14 July 2014 1:24pm
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If they can reason, they should be able to progress at least that far.
timecop NYbill13
I hope younger voters can at least tell the difference between
leaders who try to govern on behalf of the governed, and those
who use public office exclusively for personal gain.
Nancy Pelosi?
Harry Reid?
Hillary Clinton?
Who, exactly, do you have in mind?
14 July 2014 1:34pm
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ElderWolfe timecop
Let's see:
Dick Cheney?
George W Bush?
The R Neocon's?
Both Sen. from Kentucky?
The entire Texas R delegation?
The N & S Carolina R delegations?
Etc., etc., etc.
14 July 2014 3:59pm
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2 PEOPLE, 3 COMMENTS
Charles Westmoreland
Ms. Cox is so hip, she speaks for the young generation.
14 July 2014 1:26pm
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ElderWolfe Charles Westmoreland
Yeah? I'm 75 and she speaks for me too!
14 July 2014 3:52pm
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Charles Westmoreland ElderWolfe
Does hanging out with hippies make you feel young? Does voting Dem turn
back the ravages of time?
14 July 2014 3:57pm
3
Pete Shoults
I am a non - partisan observer. I really don't care which group of criminals loots my
country. I would just prefer my country not looted.
That said, as an observer, I would like the author to revisit this hypothesis the
middle of the first week of November.
14 July 2014 1:28pm
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prwiley
There have been a set of power / cultural / demographic / economic shifts in the US
(some driven by external forces, some internal) that amount / are amounting to a
much broader regime change. The US political establishment is not and has not
done very well in facing that reality, indeed, it is focused myopically on addressing
ideological fantasies designed to provoke base voters. In the process the US is
losing it's grip on the constitutive common meanings in which national community
was once rooted.
right/left, democratic/republication, conservative/liberal have lost any real meaning
for interpreting US politics. Follow the money.
14 July 2014 1:28pm
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for interpreting US politics. Follow the money.
4 PEOPLE, 4 COMMENTS
David Kimball
I wonder if Palin and other members of the GOP can pronounce "Hoist of one's own
petard".
14 July 2014 1:29pm
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KevinFinn David Kimball
And I wonder if Democrats understand what "If you like your plan/doctor,
you can keep you plan/doctor" means.
14 July 2014 1:49pm
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yaboo KevinFinn
The central truth was that poor young Democrats and poor Welfare sucking
Republicans never had a workable Health Plan.
Almost nobody lost a plan which actually was any good, the Insurance
companies were simply made to do what it said on the cover. This meant
they could no longer provide plans. which were basically thieving from the
underprivileged.
So other than as a talking point to beat the President no one cares.
14 July 2014 2:40pm
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Roger E. Carlson yaboo
Sure wish I was an "almost nobody". Employer based healthcare premiums
increased by more than 40%, higher copay, a deductible that jumped to
$10,000. My existing doctor is going out of the system into concierge
medicine (the next wave for doctors) as a function of the ACA and I can
hardly wait to be treated by a non (or barely) English speaking doctor
educated in some far away land that is not using American medical
education standards. Yup, ACA is going swimmingly for me. Carry on.
YOUR talking point is without merit, accuracy, or substance.
PS: Do you actually live in the US?
14 July 2014 5:32pm
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wearenotalllikethat
The problem lies in the other party because they always blame other people.
All those unpatriotic, immoral, sick and twisted people in that other party can do is
throw insults.
Those people in the other party are trying to divide us.
14 July 2014 1:30pm
6 PEOPLE, 8 COMMENTS
progpen
Without fail. An article gets published that conservatives see as not agreeing with
them and they snarl and foam at the mouth. Quite Pavlovian actually.
14 July 2014 1:31pm
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timecop progpen
Without fail. An article gets published that conservatives see as
not agreeing with them and they snarl and foam at the mouth.
Quite Pavlovian actually.
Oh, bullshit!
14 July 2014 1:41pm
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Show 5 more replies Last reply: 14 July 2014 3:50pm
The Guardian continues its campaign year with a picture of Sarah Palin and
a Political Bullshit Bingo run on of leftist catch phrases, and a free-for all
ensues that advertisers love. Click, click. Expect multiple articles featuring
Palin (who is not running for anything) because you foam at the mouth at
the opportunity to dig out your cheap shot list and join the fray.
It has nothing to do with conservatives. It fires you up and keeps you firing
at those baddies on the right. Pavlov, indeed.
onlyremainingusernam timecop
You sure are angry all the time.
14 July 2014 1:52pm
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Nathan Renderra timecop
...Except the part where the Guardian is based in the UK where things are
14 July 2014 2:20pm
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William Keller
Never underestimate the ethical limitations of the old white guys within the GOP.
Raised on porn, greed, bigotry, guns and FoxNews, they will disenfranchise the
docile younger generation before it has had its morning Greek yogurt.
14 July 2014 1:34pm
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ProudPrimate
The word is bestiality, not "beastiality", (unless you were quoting them, as they
more often than not make this mistake)
14 July 2014 1:45pm
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4 PEOPLE, 6 COMMENTS
rightsmite
The "Conservative party " which is NOT NECESSARILY THE REPUBLICANS NOR
IS IT THE TEA PARTY, is actually the sector of our population that is the "core" of
American values and are the hard working average American citizens. The left has
demonized anyone who does not share their socialist anti American agenda. The
Republicabs have lost their identity even to people that used to believe they were
Republicans because they seems to stand for nothing. They cannot stick together.
Unlike the Democratic party that tows the party line and votes as a block, the
Republicans have turned on their conservative constituents and vote with the
Democrats. The reason for the forming of the Tea PARTY was so conservatives
that are against more TAXATION AND believe in PRESERVING the Constitution,
had a voice. However , because of the damnation by the liberal press of ANYTHING
that does not sound like left wing socialist politics, the media has turned a
generation against conservative values and has turned them toward lawlessness
and unconstitutional socialistic entitlement ideas. At the same time the tea party
seems to have been overtaken by a group of right wing extremist and the media is
trying to make it look like they speak for all conservatives. There are some issues
that BOTH SIDES NEED TO SHUT UP ABOUT , namely Abortion, Birth control and
gay marriage. These issues have NO place in politics or in the realm of the
government. These issues are used to confuse, anger and obfuscate the real issues
that are disasters looming within our country. I'm one among millions that are sick of
both sides and the political non sense that is destroying this once great nation.
14 July 2014 1:48pm
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onlyremainingusernam rightsmite
MOAR ALL CAPS
14 July 2014 1:50pm
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timecop rightsmite
These issues have NO place in politics or in the realm of the
14 July 2014 2:49pm
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These issues have NO place in politics or in the realm of the
government.
People decide for themselves what is important to them. They vote for people
who positively address that which they think is important.
This can't be a new concept.
timecop onlyremainingusernam
http://weknowmemes.com/2011/12/yes-moar-of-that/
14 July 2014 2:51pm
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onlyremainingusernam
As always the American right-wingers in the comments have un-ironically proven
every point the author makes. These miseryguts aren't sure what to do first: sneer,
reject, blame everybody else, or claim victimhood, so they do all of them at once.
It would be entertaining if not for the fact that their eternal authoritarian outrage
provides a smokescreen for the quasi-fascist plutocrats taking the country over.
14 July 2014 1:49pm
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timecop onlyremainingusernam
Isn't that your quasi-fascist plutocrat currently in charge?
Or did something happen overnight that the rest of us missed?
14 July 2014 2:44pm
5
Donald Inks timecop
"...did something happen overnight that the rest of us missed?"
Yes.
On October 26, 2001.
"Former Military Police INTELLIGENCE Officer" my arse.
14 July 2014 2:59pm
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AuntieMame timecop
"Isn't that your quasi-fascist plutocrat currently in charge"?
14 July 2014 3:44pm
9
Barry Penders
This analysis brought to you by a flaming Liberal. Thanks for the hot tip.
14 July 2014 1:51pm
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3 PEOPLE, 3 COMMENTS
Zhulika
Where would the news media be without these wonderful opinion articles? huffpo
couldn't have said it any better.
Ignoring the part that says 'yeah it would be great if we could do that but how the hell
are we gonna pay for it?' The other half of the survey was about fiscal responsibility
and that looks to be tossed out the window in this convo. But I suppose that's
because we all know that old-white-guy harry is gonna solve the money side of it for
us ya? Either him or book-deal-Bhillary.
-Millennialist
14 July 2014 1:53pm
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adagio Zhulika
Ignoring the part that says 'yeah it would be great if we could do
that but how the hell are we gonna pay for it?'
How about you don't fight so many wars, save money on the bombs,
bullets, drones and missiles?
14 July 2014 2:13pm
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GreatLakeSailor adagio
Yeah, too, and again just thinkin' waaaaaay outside the box, we could start
by making corporations pay taxes again, like they did when we had a
middle class, and we could shutdown off-shoring cash by the rich and
corps, and we could stop corporate welfare, and we could nix NAFTA, TPP,
SKFTA, TAFTA, and kill TISA and replace them with something sane. We
could go back to taxing income from Ownership like we tax income from
labor.
14 July 2014 3:05pm
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2 PEOPLE, 2 COMMENTS
AQuietNight
Newsflash: It has now been discovered younger people are more idealistic.
.
Check back in 25 years and see how their thinking has worked out for them.
14 July 2014 1:54pm
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mikedow AQuietNight
What's the new variant of 'yuppie scum'?
14 July 2014 2:54pm
2
2 PEOPLE, 2 COMMENTS
TheBluePelican
The same swill was peddled in 2009, just before
the 2010 Congressional elections which President Obama
himself labeld a "shellacking".
Now, the reprise, just before the 2014 Congressional
elections. Humm...what could go wrong?
14 July 2014 2:09pm
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ceounicom TheBluePelican
Rejoice! The Total Victory of Socialism is at hand!
14 July 2014 6:40pm
Justlyjohn
Leftist hate is so dependable and irrelevant.
14 July 2014 2:14pm
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SteveofCaley
Dear Brits,
Now, if you would, do give us credit - we have been dead eager and genuine and
awfully American about this independence thing over the last 200-some years, we
really have. Done some right good things on our own, we have. But sometimes the
young'uns set out on their own and meet with adversity, and need to come back
under the wing of their Family of Origin.
I wonder if we can be considered as brash Millenials, and perhaps come back under
the United Kingdom for a bit, until we get our political footing back. In self-defense,
the UK has been awfully dodgy about the credibility of its regency, and you had that
14 July 2014 2:22pm
the UK has been awfully dodgy about the credibility of its regency, and you had that
awful Cromwell with his fascism and regicide, a bit early, perhaps. But we can pass
that by - this Elizabeth seems awfully nice, and we do enjoy a bit of pomp and color.
Just until we get back on our feet, mind you. You managed to turn around Bedlam
just fine, perhaps we need a bit of reserve and understatement in our governance.
Just a thought, would you? Harry seems to be a photogenic fellow, and would make
a damn fine viceroy or Governor-General. Do sleep on it and get back to us.
hawkwoman
Yes, yes, yes, even young conservatives believe in gay marriage. Blah blah blah -
in the meantime, the GOP is on trend to retain the House and make gains in the
Senate. In the meantime, middle-aged mildly conservative Democrats are moving
further right, and the specter of eventual majority/minority status in 50 years and
anger at the failure to control illegal crossings into the US on the southern border is
driving otherwise liberal white middle-class voters to the right.
As for Hobby Lobby - I refer everyone to Bill Moyers' excellent half-hour program
yesterday afternoon on the Alito Court, their framing of their recent decisions in the
Hobby Lobby, clinic buffer zone, and Voting Rights Act. The two guests gave a far
more important and nuanced (and in that sense, quite a bit more alarming)
understanding of where the 5-4 split in the court is taking the country. (Moyers &
Co., Sunday, July 12th, 5PM MST).
The economy has been restructured and jobs now pay less than 20% than they were
paying, and the middle-class has experienced 30 years of stagnation in income;
Glass-Steagall is still repealed; no one is doing anything about off-shore tax havens
and corporations like GE that have paid no federal taxes in years.
It's nice that young conservatives support gay marriage - but the idea that this is
relevant to the upcoming mid-term elections is a bit hopeful and IMO disingenuous.
You can jeer at Sarah Palin all you like - even the GOP doesn't take her seriously.
The real issue is still money in politics, and on that score, nothing has changed and
the GOP is still awash in money, succeeding in undermining the Obama
administration, and has good reason not to give up the ghost quite yet.
It's a mistake to take these polls too seriously.
14 July 2014 2:24pm
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5 PEOPLE, 5 COMMENTS
rosecoloredshades
The report observes "[m]any specifically identified LGBTQ rights as their
primary reason for being liberal"; and "[o]ften, they decided they were
liberals because they really didnt like conservatives.
Well isn't that just sad. These Millennials Ana Marie is so happy to have in her camp
are not even smart enough to see past a two party system.... But I guess ignorance
is what makes a good liberal.
14 July 2014 2:27pm
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AuntieMame rosecoloredshades
These Millennials "arenot even smart enough to see past a two party
system".
Well, hon', at least they can count, since we do have only two parties. And
don't come back the the one 'independent' in Congress. He is not a party.
But since ignorance is supposed to be bliss, the under-educated and low-
information voters of the R base is wearing it like a shield of honor.
14 July 2014 3:34pm
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ElderWolfe AuntieMame
You go, AuntieMame! All surveys tell us many of the R states are the
lowest in reading, writing and arithmetic; the highest in obesity and other
health issue; give up only 60-70% of federal taxes to the more than 100%
they receive in return from the Fed's in all forms of State benefits
14 July 2014 3:40pm
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Robert Cuminale AuntieMame
You've obviously never seen Howard Stern's man on the street interviews in
14 July 2014 4:53pm
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Kris Weibel
Surprise - Millennials show a hell of a lot more sense that the Angry Old White Men
party! Good for them and hopefully they will salvage this country's Government.
14 July 2014 2:29pm
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