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B7 versus B16 bolts
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owassokings )Mechanical* '+
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We are using .'( bolts /or e0pansion 1oints in large e0haust ducts that hae hot /langes2 The temperature ranges /rom %++ F to '+++ F 3ith an
internal duct /ailure pressure o/ 4+ inches o/ 3ater2
What is the adantage in using .'( bolts in place o/ .$ bolts5 The .'( bolts are '+6 the price o/ the .$ bolts and the 7uestion 3as as8ed i/ 3e could
use the .$ bolts instead2 The only di//erence 9 can see in the 4 bolts is the .'( bolt includes :anadium in the composition2
STYMIEDIE! )Mechanical* '+
May
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<oo8 at the allo3able stress alue /or the temperatures that you speci/ied2
At %++ deg F the allo3able stress alue bet3een the .$ and .'( is small2
Ho3eer" at the '+++ deg F the allo3able stress alues are nearly 42; times higher /or the .'( as compared to the .$2
There/ore" at the eleated temperatures aboe %++ deg F the .'( is a more durable component
owassokings )Mechanical* '+
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Stymiedpiper"
Than8 you /or the in/ormation2 =ould you tell me 3hat technical re/erence you are getting these allo3ables5 9s it /rom the ASME .oiler !ressure
:essel code5
owassokings )Mechanical* '+
May
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Stymiedpiper"
Again" 9 3ant to than8 you /or the in/ormation2 9 /ound the allo3ables you spo8e o/ in .#'2'2
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May
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You can use B7 up 1000F using the aforementioned values as the tempering temperature used in making B7 is 1000F !nything a"ove 1000F and the
strength could fall off Being your application is duct #ork at a lo# pressure $ can see no pro"lem using B7 even if the duct insulated
$f "y design you have to use B16 $ #ould look at stud "olt%&nuts for a"out &'( of a B16 he) "olt cost ! B16 stud is &* the cost of a B7+ today,s
prices
owassokings -Mechanical. 10
May
07
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0hat is great information 0here are cases #here #e are re1uired to use the B16 "olt and that #ould "e a great alternative
jte -Mechanical. 11
May
07
11:&&
o#assokings2
3elcome to the forum4 5on,t forget to put in a little description of your "ackground in the 6personal profile6 page -"utton in the top left "o) #ith light
"lue "ackground. You can see my profile "y clicking on the 67te6 at the top of this post
8ot sure #hich design code your ducting falls under 2 lo# pressure duct#ork may not fall directly #ithin the scope of any code $f this is the case+
then $ have to ask ho# you are deriving your 900 to 1000:F design temperature for your "olting; !re those temperatures from a line list for the
duct#ork; $s it the fluid temperature; <r since you seem to "e in an operating plant+ have you directly measured the "olt temperatures;
$f $ did not have a code mandating my design+ $ #ould choose B=1= or >$$$21 simply "ecause $,m familiar #ith them+ and use them for guidance
0ake a close look at B=1= =01=&-".-4. ?ere you are allo#ed to set the design temperature of the "olts at no less than 90( of the fluid
temperature $n most cases+ it sounds as though this &0( drop in temp may "e very "eneficial for you 8o# take a close look at =01=&-".: unless
a lo#er average tempeature is determined "y test or heat transfer calculation so if you have similar duct#ork in service+ and you go out on a hot
summer day and measure the temperature of the "olting and add some margin to it -unless you pick a record hot day to do your measurements.
then you can set the design temperature of the "olts "ased on the measured values of your 6test6 duct#ork flange "olts
B=11 has a similar+ though more restrictive+ approach in 101=&-!.
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owassokings -Mechanical. 11
May
07
11:4&
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0hanks for the information $ #ill revie# that specification you mentioned and see ho# it "enefits us <ur ducting serves as an e)haust system for
large ground po#er tur"ines 0he temperature of the "olts #as estimated from F@! models that have "een performed on our e)pansion 7oints 0he
e)haust temperature is normally 900 F to 10'0 F and the flange 7oint is not internally insulated+ therefore+ as you can imagine it gets very hot
3e prefer not to use the "oiler pressure vessel codes or the po#er piping codes "ecause our e1uipment is normally a lo# pressure
environment Aometimes our hands are tied "ecause the customer has made it a specification re1uirement ?o#ever+ for the cases #here #e can do
things that make more since+ #e #ould prefer to use suggestions similar to yours 3e #ant to use good engineering 7udgement "ut "e cost effective
as #ell 0hanks again for the help
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