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Intermission

Jim Vassilakos (jim.vassilakos@gmail.com)

Anachronism & Cliché in the Jinx Campaign However, even worse that this, I think, is the sheer fact
that two devils, even two on intimate terms, would have the
In #393 & #394, Jinx mentions the 9th circle of magic, courage to create and use a derogatory nickname for their
telling Furcas, “I need access to spells above the ninth Emperor. We also see much the same issue in #398 where
circle,” and later, “my knowledge is limited to those spells Cedric tells Jinx that the lord of a neighboring city doesn’t
of the ninth circle and below.” Naturally, I was thinking much like the prince to whom they both owe fealty. In the
“ninth level” and didn’t want to use the word “level,” first place, why would Cedric necessarily know this, and
because it would have been such an obvious D&D- even assuming he did, why would he so casually share it
reference, however, I wonder if using the term “ninth with Jinx? I think the reason things like this pop up in the
circle” isn’t just as obvious, and if so, is it therefore too writing is that in 20th century (and 21st century) USA, in
derivative? (Of course, this, on the face of it, is a somewhat which I was raised and currently live, we can say
peculiar question, because, after all, this write-up comes out derogatory things about our leaders without fear of
of an AD&D campaign; so what’s the point in masking it?) consequences. Hence, it’s all too easy to forget that in
In #394, Furcas and Jinx are drinking “Tabula Rasa,” earlier times people lived in terror of the whim of their
which has an effect on one’s memory. Of course, Tabula rulers, as even the smallest act of disrespect could result in
Rasa is well-known as being Latin for “Blank Slate,” a the most unpleasant repercussions for them personally or
reference to the thesis that human beings have no built in even for their entire families. Hence, this sort of cavalier
knowledge when they are born but must rather be taught attitude is, I think, itself anachronistic. Likewise, perhaps, is
just about everything they will need to survive (compared Jinx’s apparent desire to see if the cities of the region that
to the other animals, we are truly helpless). In this case, I she ventured to accidentally3 can rule themselves as a sort
thought that “Tabula Rasa,” being of an ancient language, of council of oligarchs (this, of course, being in line with
was acceptable as the name of a magical wine, but I could the American ideal of self-government).
see the argument that it isn’t obscure enough. All in all, the problems are legion, both numerous and
Later in #394, Jinx asks how long the effects will last. varied, and in many places, I’m ashamed to admit, the
“An hour or two,” Furcas replies. Of course, I didn’t like writing seems terribly unpracticed. Nonetheless, inserting
using our units of time in the dialogue. I suppose he could these write-ups in A&E does give me the opportunity to
have said “One or two of your mortal hours” or some-such, think about the story in greater depth and to solicit
however, the right approach, I think, would have been to comments, and to those who have commented, I thank you.
develop an alternate system of time for use in Hell,
although this might get unnecessarily confusing for the IGTheme: Werewolves and other Shapechangers
reader. I actually attempted this at one point, but I wasn’t
crazy about the final results. I’ve long wanted to run a campaign where the PC was a
Later in #394, a wand materializes in the hand of Furcas, werewolf (or some-such) but didn’t know it. He or she
and he waves it around to accomplish something. Granted, would go to the town inn and fall asleep but in the morning
wands are props of the genre, but are they so commonplace find clothing shredded, perhaps blood on the fingers or
as to have become trite, and if so, am I not demeaning face, and the window wide open. Then, after cleaning up,
magic to have it employed so casually, even in Hell? taking inventory, and going outside, he or she would hear
Among the worst of my offenses, I think, comes in #395, how some local person was murdered late at night. Pretty
where Furcas is telling Jinx that his parents1 referred to awful thing to do to a player, but call it the way I’d start
Emperor Beelzebub2 as “Bubba”. In the first place, Bubba campaign, if only I didn’t fear that the player might take
evolved from the term “brother” as a term of endearment, offense at their character being so twisted and screwed-over
but because of its use in and association with the South by the GM. Is this wrong?
Eastern United States, it became something of a derogatory
term. Hence, does it make any sense that two devils in the Morality in RPGs
fantasy genre should be using it or that Furcas or Jinx
would be able to discern the derogatory overtone, given that I think that all stories are, to some extent, focused on the
presumably neither have been indoctrinated into American question of what is right and what is wrong. As children, if
culture? our parents (or society) had been doing their job, we would,
of course, have learned morally-packed tales, stories about
1
Devils even being capable of having parents or offspring was yet fate’s kindness to the good and the persecuted, and heroes
another issue that I wrestled with for some time. and heroines who, through courage and intelligence, win
2
Coincidentally, in #395 Spike talks about “The Shame Game” the prize. These stories are perhaps meant to give us heart
where gods are discredited via the obfuscation or defamation of and to, even more-so, I think, illustrate what is best in
their names, and as a case in point, he mentions the well-known humanity. They are the reflection of the best that is within
case of Baal-Zebul (“Lord of the Temple”) being “oopsed” into
3
Baalzebub (“Lord of the Flies”). See my comment to Joshua in A&E #394.
us, and so we say that their internal reward (and, thus, our one of the court scribes to keep an accurate diary of their
moral appreciation) lay not in whatever the heroes have misadventures, as he doesn't trust his daughter to get any of
won, but rather in their very act of trying, bearing whatever the details right, and in any case, he harbors suspicious
consequences fate may have in store for them. with respect to her literacy.
“Grace under pressure,” one well-known author called it. It's always a good idea to put the PCs in their place early
That’s ultimately what characterization is about…to set up on, just so they know where they stand. After they win fame
the criteria for success, so that we can understand the and fortune, you can have a scene with them returning
characters as we understand ourselves. And that, of course, triumphant, and it will be all the sweeter.
is part of the lure of roleplaying; the very best players have
had the experience of really caring about their characters This little exercise made me think that brainstorms of this
and really getting their point of view, groking them, one variety could be useful not only in terms of providing GMs
might say, or becoming intimately involved in their travails, with ideas on how to establish a framework for their
and the very luckiest GMs have had the experience of campaign, but it might also be useful in terms of creating a
conducing them towards this goal and then observing their grab-bag of party backgrounds for GMs to use whenever
choices and acting the part of merciful fate if we find them the PCs encounter an NPC party either out in the wilderness
so deserving. (Of course, that calls upon us to play God, our or somewhere deep in the dungeon. And, of course, such
moral arbitration circumvented by the rules only so far as exercises need not be restricted to the fantasy genre.
we choose to allow, and much has, of course, been said on Thus, in light of all the benefits, I was wondering if any
this…one might say that it is a quandary.) of you would be interested in partaking? If so…
Back in #358, Brian Misiaszek asked, “Are you an RPG
Racist?” with respect to D&D and the whole kill-the- 1. Roll d4 or choose a number 1-4:
monsters genre. He argued that such games teach a form of (1) Fantasy
racism, and in light of this perspective, I suppose perhaps (2) Modern
Vampire and Werewolf and the whole we’re-the-monsters (3) Science-Fiction
genre was perhaps some eerie form of sub-cultural (4) Create a Genre (see below)
backlash. I mean, games do teach, just as stories teach, and
I guess the question I would submit to you (at the risk of 2. Roll d6 or chose a number 1-6: This is the number of
starting a great flame war, which I sincerely hope will not characters in the “party”.
be the case) is: Which games do you believe are the most
conducive to teaching moral lessons, and why, or do you 3. Roll d6 to determine (or just decide) each character’s
rather think that system really doesn’t matter, genre doesn’t sex: 1-3 Female, 4-6 Male.
matter, none of it really matters except for the spirit and
invention that the GM and the players both bring to the 4. Roll d6 on Table #1A to determine each character’s race
game? Or, on the obverse, do you think this question itself or ethnicity:
is somehow missing the real point, and if so, then what was
your all-time favorite roleplaying experience, and did it not Table #1A5
in any way relate to this question of morality in RPGs? d6 Fantasy Modern Science-Fiction
1 Dwarf African Human
How Did They Meet? 2 Elf Asian Modified Human6
3 Half Elf Caucasian Animan7
A few months ago, what I presume was a relatively 4 Halfling Middle Eastern True Alien Race8
inexperienced GM requested ideas on how to start a 5 Human Native American Robot9
campaign beyond the traditional cliché of having the PCs 6 See Table #1B
all meet in a tavern. The particulars of the campaign and 5
characters were as follows: It is difficult to come up with generic racial tables, as each
campaign is unique. Hence, I tried to come up with tables that
were specific enough to be useable while still being general
• Medieval Fantasy Campaign enough to be non-campaign/non-game specific. Hence, feel free to
• PC #1: Male Halfling Mercenary revise these tables to better suit your campaign.
• PC #2: Female Human Noble 6
See my comments to Lee in this issue.
• PC #3: Female Elven Scribe 7
Jaron Martin strongly advocated using animen in Ragamuffin.
The idea is that several animal species are borderline sentient if
I thought about it for a minute or two and came up with not sentient already, and that with a given degree of mastery of
something pretty close to the following: genetic manipulation, we could transform dogs, man’s proverbial
best friend, into something akin to Traveller’s Vargr, and that,
likewise, we could do the same with many other animal species
The noble's uncle, as a joke, because he was drunk, or (perhaps Chewy is an uplifted bear).
perhaps because he had his brother murdered so that he 8
Most SF-RPGs include aliens. You’ll need to select one that it
could ascend to the throne4 sends his niece, of whom he’s appropriate for your campaign. I would recommend creating a
not terribly fond, into harm’s way with a halfling as her sub-table in advance of actually rolling. Also, in cases where the
bodyguard, because he considers her to be a halfwit and alien has additional or fewer sexes, you’ll have to re-roll “sex”
therefore only in need of half a bodyguard. Also, he orders accordingly.
9
Or, if you were to allow it, the character could be a computer,
4
…nodding respectfully toward Shakespeare. remotely controlling several robots, androids, or what-have-you.
Comments on A&E #398:
Table #1B
1-3 Mutt10 Ty Beard: Thanks for the thoughts on insurgencies in
4-6 Other11 Traveller. In particular, I think you hit on an important
trend in the effect of advanced technology on
5. Roll d12 on Table #2A to determine each character’s reconnaissance and how that aids the regular force. In short,
profession/career: I can see it making governments all-knowing in a way that
they aren’t yet, and what this will ultimately mean is
Table #2A12 difficult for me to fathom. Certainly, Traveller has not
d12 Fantasy Modern Science Fiction adequately explored this, at least not to my knowledge,
1 Assassin Academic13 although I suppose it’s all up to the individual referee. In
2 Bard Industrialist Engineer any case, it might be interesting to explore this in greater
3 Monk Lawbreaker14 detail.
5 Noble Law Enforcer15 re your thoughts on Vietnam: “The Wars of John
6 Priest Medic16 McCain” by Jeffrey Goldberg in the October 2008 issue of
7 Sage Media17 The Atlantic jives nicely with some of what you’re saying
8 Scribe Military about the war possibly having been winnable, or at least it
9 Thief Politician apparently was in the perception of many in the military,
9 Warrior Retired Noble although this problem, which I think you correctly
10 Wizard Spy identified, of how to deal with the lines of supply keeps
cropping up. Oddly, however, you mention the Soviets in
11 Dual-Class Wage Slave Pilot/Navigator
Afghanistan as being an applicable model for how the
12 Other18
Imperium might fight an insurgency, but then you go on to
admit that this is false, again because of this dissimilarity
6. By now you should have your campaign type and your
with respect to the issue of the supply lines (the Imperial
list of characters. Now’s your chance to rise to the
Navy can control the space around a planet, effectively
challenge, so to speak, showing us how you’d have the
cutting off all foreign supply). Hence, I would think that the
party meet, thereby establishing the basic framework for the
only effective comparables would be insurgencies that took
campaign. Or, if you prefer, tell us an example of how you
place on islands against a power that controlled the seas.
once started a campaign or even how you’d like to start one
How did those turn out?
in the future.
Myles Corcoran: re Tudor Talents & Williams discovering
And if you don’t feel up to it or prefer to just let the players
that poor Rufus, who he just got done killing, was actually
devise their common history without GM-interference,
possessed by Cloptowe: Did he still regret nothing? Also, in
that’s fine. I just wanted to give folks something else to do
your campaign with how magic works, would it have been
aside from discussing politics, or criticizing each other for
possible to exorcise the spirit? All in all a very nice write-
discussing politics, or loquaciously philosophizing over
up, and I love your turns of phrase as well as the
whether members should even be allowed to discuss
interspersed dialogue.
politics, and, if so, then to what extent and under what
re my thoughtless condescension: Actually, it was
conditions…and, of course, what must their political
intentional, but not because I truly feel a serious temptation
philosophies specifically be in order to be tolerated…and so
to give up on you. I actually enjoy your zine; that much
forth. The election is behind us, folks. Let’s game!
should be readily apparent from the comments that I have
given you thus far. Rather, I wanted for you to feel, for just
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Roll twice on Table #1 and combine the results. (Incidentally, I a moment and, granted, only to small degree, what I can
find nothing derogatory about this term. Most of us are probably only imagine you made Ty feel when he read your remark
“mutts,” at least by the standards of our ancestors.) of #396, in particular, the part where you wrote, “…I wish
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Create a table of uncommon races or ethnicities particular to you’d just leave the APA.”
your campaign and roll on that to determine outcome. Now, you might suppose, quite naturally, that I should
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Just as with the race table, feel free to revise this table to suit just stay out of it. After all, why should one person strain or
your individual campaign. even jeopardize his or her relationship with another because
13
Academics can be anything from mad scientists doing cutting- of what the second party said to some presumably loud-
edge research to burned-out middle school teachers. mouthed third-party? And the only answer that I can give,
14
Lawbreakers include both petty thieves and career criminals. which I have little expectation of you understanding, much
This profession can include smugglers, drug kingpins, illegal less appreciating, is because I felt that it is the right thing to
weapons dealers, contract killers, career burglars, jewel thieves,
do for reasons having to do with the rightness of protecting
art thieves, conmen, etc.
15 those who have a loud mouth (or a loud pen) on matters of
Law enforcers can be police, FBI, Interpol, etc.
16 politics (not that Ty actually needs protecting, as I am sure
Medics can be full fledged medical doctors or just somebody
who knows how to splint a broken arm. his comments have made clear).
17
Media includes reporters/journalists, celebrity anchors, actors, As for my not complaining about Ty’s behavior, I guess
pop-music stars, filmmakers, writers, etc. the reason is that rather than allowing himself to be shunned
18
Either create a sub-table suitable for your campaign, or, if into silence, he has persistently advocated his point of view
you’re not feeling up to it, just re-roll. without regard to the attack of the rabid, tennis-hating
Chihuahuas19, and in so doing has proven that he’s a more was intent upon aggrandizement.” Later still, “The wicked
determined person than I (and, thus, a better man), and I sons of Jan blasphemed and sinned; the Most High sent
can’t help but admire him for that. Also, I should add, that prophets to admonish them and to advise them, but all in
although he’s been both fixed and forceful in his opinions, vain.”
he’s not requested that anyone else be quiet with respect to In this version of the tale, Eblis/Azazil (Iblis/Satan) was
theirs, nor, to the best of my knowledge, has he stated a originally a Jinn (one of the race of Genii), and being not
wish that any of the contributors should leave the APA. The yet grown to maturity, he was made a prisoner of the angels
fact that you did this vexes me, just as you accurately after they came to make war upon the Jinn. He was taken to
presumed that it would, and so that I call you to task for it Heaven, educated by the angels, and eventually he
should not come as a surprise (although, I will admit, my improved so much that he was made a teacher of angels.
tactic was dishonest except insofar as I find your Anyway, things didn’t quite work out in the end. The Jinn,
intolerance intolerable, which, actually, come to think of it, who he hoped to reform, were not capable of being
was exactly my point). Finally, I will note for the record reformed, at least not for very long, and, in any case, God
that if this situation were reversed and a bunch of had other plans, something that Eblis, no doubt, found
republicans were telling you to be quiet, I’d be in your difficult to accept.
corner preaching to them about the virtues of tolerance, not One of the things I found interesting about this tale,
because I expect it would earn me any favors, but simply particularly because it is indisputably old, is that the author
because I have to live with myself, and to not do so would has at some level a good sense of history and how it
be against the core of my beliefs. operates. Civilizations rise and fall. He ascribed their
As for your accusation about me not being a fence-sitter: I turning away from God as the reason for each fall, but
plead guilty, your honor. As with every election season, I whether or not the divine actually exists, moral vice can be
eventually had to get off the fence and make a choice. This said to be a form of societal decay, inducing weakness and
time around, I went with the democrats and voted for eventual collapse, and here is this ancient writer basically
Obama (sorry Ty/Louis). Just as with the last presidential saying, “Watch out.” And it’s not just the idea that this
race, I had much venting to do afterward, but in light of my happens but also the idea that it happens over and over and
decision to spare A&Ers my political drivel, I just posted it over again, the repetition of rise and fall, the Eternal forever
to my blog instead. If you’d like to read my tortured watching. As ancient as he no doubt was, he knew this. He
thoughts on the matter (perhaps merely for the amusement knew it stone cold, and he wanted to convey it to the reader,
of seeing how a crazy person attempts to reason, which is to and that’s something that I find very interesting.
say, hazardously), you may check it out20, although I warn Nonetheless, I didn’t want to use the whole story. I
you in advance that this may cost you sanity points, and I’m wanted to keep it short and sweet, but at the same time, I
not sure that you have so many that you can afford to wanted to mention this previous rebellion and briefly
squander them on mere trifles. describe how Lucifer and other angels were once on the
same team. Also, it gave me a perfect opportunity to create
Robert Dushay: RYCT me on the mythology article of the origin of Kossuth21, arguably the most powerful of the
#397 and the originality of God breaking apart to create the Elemental Lords. But it doesn’t address this cyclical nature
angels: That was actually one of the few areas that was, of history, except insofar as one conflict follows another.
more or less, original, and I say that with some hesitation, Also, the part about Abdiel coming with news of the
as I think much of the inspiration came from Bob (see my rebellion is straight out of Milton’s Paradise Lost. I’m not
article of #351). Other areas that might at first appear to be really crazy about Milton at this point in my life, but there’s
original were actually derivative. certainly a lot of source material there that could be mined.
For instance, the initial rebellion by Kos (Gian ben Gian) (Incidentally, I think I heard they were making a movie,
was mentioned in the write-up of “Iblis” in Legions of Hell, which should be interesting.)
the first volume of the Book of Fiends by Green Ronin As for the earth being of fire at one end and a great ocean
(2001). There’s a vaguely similar story that I found in an at the other, this was partially an oblique reference to our
1891 translation of the first volume of the Rauzat-us-Safa own universe, the Big Bang at the beginning, and (if there’s
(pgs 36-40), which itself purports to draw from a translation not enough mass) a possible ocean of endless space at the
of the Book of Adam by Abu Ali Ja’fer Bin Yaqûb-ul- end, although the notion of a rebounding or oscillating
isfahani (and I thought I had a difficult name), and it talks universe seems to be gaining popularity. There is, of course,
about how there were these four cycles of civilization also the obvious yin-yang symbolism of fire as a destructive
before humans were created, and in each turn of the wheel, element, whereas water is the element of life, and so such a
so to speak, termed a “cycle of recompense” in the text, the world, bounded by these two elements, is a nod to the
Jinns or Genii went through much the sort of history that creative-destructive dualism that is at the heart of nature,
we in The West have been going through as of late, where which, of course, also falls in line with the write-up’s
each time the society becomes wealthy, it also becomes imagery in the very first few words.
complacent, turns away from its previous God-fearing But, for the most part, I tend to agree with you insofar as
ways, and turns toward the satisfaction of vice: “…they the whole Judeo-Christian-Islamic theological epic seems
began to sin, to disobey, to be obstinate and haughty.” just a bit overdone. I mean, we’re all too familiar with it, or
Later, “…they became disobedient, because their nature as Lisa remarked, “I’m more partial to the Silmarillion
21
See the AD&D (1st edition) Manual of the Planes, page 40. He’s
19
See the beginning of the 5th page of my submission for #394. also mentioned on page 46 of 2nd Edition’s Planescape: The Inner
20
http://jim-vassilakos.livejournal.com Planes.
myself.” Part of me agrees with this sentiment, not merely each habitable one, this because there are a great many
because delving into the myths of our theology requires ways that an otherwise perfect world might be ruined for
work (i.e. research), but also because to a certain extent, one particular species or another (Wells seemed to be
applying one’s own creativity to this story is to a certain making this speculation in War of the Worlds). Traveller
extent presumptuous. I mean, in #397, Brian Rogers enumerates air pressure and atmospheric taint as two
mentioned how he didn’t want to trample around in the primary causes, but I’d imagine that one could splice
Harry Potter world for fear that he might get it wrong (see atmospheric taint into a plethora of subcategories, some
also my comment to him in #398). Just imagine how much biological, others chemical, and to be added to the main list
more egregious it is to trample around in the myths of three should be such factors as temperature, gravity, and
major religions that are still very much alive. radiation. And, of course, it would be useful to know if a
Having said all that, I still feel that this myth could stand world was naturally marginal or made so by its inhabitants.
to be polished up a tad, preferentially by someone from a These are all factors that I would like to see addressed in a
culture that has gone through the Enlightenment. This world generation system.
notion in the Rauzat-us-Safa that God had to come down
and continually punish those civilizations that got out of Louis La Mancusa: RTCT Robert Dushay, thanks for the
line seems, at first glance, just a bit arbitrary. I mean, what long quote from Pat Buchanan. I never really understood
if God hadn’t decided to punish them? Could they have the key ingredients of what was going on there behind the
wallowed in sin indefinitely? The writer seems to be seeing decision to just let Hitler take Czechoslovakia.
history as it is (the continual rise and fall of civilization
after civilization), but, at least for the prospective John Redden: So your star cruisers run on solar.
rationalist/atheist, he’s perhaps misinterpreting the cause. re Zenred & the Cylon & the Burglar: Stop it! You’re
Hence, God has to be taken out of the picture, but at the hurting my ribs!
same time, “He” or it has to unite us in spirit, which is why
I divided Him/it into parts right at the very beginning, to Brian Rogers: re the “Sulu Question” that you posed in
say not only that “We are One” but also to say that there’s #394, there’s an article in the November 2008 issue of The
nobody that’s going to come out of the clouds to save us Atlantic that you might find interesting.22 re Hogwarts and
from ourselves, because what we do becomes a testament to the goblins and the Grey Lady: Nice plot, but it’s a bit of a
what we worship. Either we succeed or fail, rise to heaven let down that the players didn’t investigate this.
or go to hell, as a global civilization, our fate not individual Nonetheless, they seem to have found a satisfying
but collective, but, of course, perhaps that’s just my conclusion. Good write-up!
personal perspective.
Regardless, these final remarks go beyond the Jinx Marco Subias: RYCT Steven Warble regarding LAUSD:
campaign and, for that matter, beyond the subject matter of RAE (in a manner of speaking). Your comments sync
the APA. I do hope that wasn’t too much religious nonsense nicely with those of Jinx’s player, who is also a teacher,
for you to read. I just wanted to put down my thoughts on although he hasn’t seen corruption and violence on the level
the off-chance that you or anyone else might be interested. that you have (at least not in the school system).
That said, perhaps it is better if a writer refrains from Nonetheless, he’s of the opinion that there are serious,
commenting on his own gibberish. systemic problems with our educational system. To turn
this toward RPGs, perhaps it might be interesting to detail a
Lee Gold: RYCT me (RMCT Ty Beard) on world school, either fantasy or science fiction, in a decaying,
habitability being a function of technology: When I urban society, mirroring the problems of our own
normally speak of habitability in science fiction RPGs, I am educational system, including the issues revolving around
typically speaking of whether or not an unmodified human fear of lawsuits, fear of negative publicity, fear of angry
can survive unaided by technology for an appreciable parents, grade-inflation, teaching to tests, lack of serious
amount of time (say, for instance, an hour). Granted, punishments for disciplinary infractions, lack of effective
Traveller presupposes that there are a lot of worlds with classroom management enforcement, lack of effective
thin or tainted atmospheres, meaning that the characters can instructor accountability, and, last but not least, socially-
breathe with only minimal equipment, such as respirators ignorant parenting. Oh, wait…forget it…that sounds way
and/or filter masks. I guess the dividing-line would be more too much like real life and would probably be too
of a continuum, and there might be some controversy, as I depressing, even for a World of Darkness campaign. It’d
could imagine humans being genetically modified to allow probably make all the players run out and slit their wrists.
them to survive in such marginal environments. Regardless,
I think that both habitable and marginal worlds would be so
rare as to be points of interest, at least to humanity, and that For those with sanity points to spare,
because of their conspicuous nature (how does one hide a my past A&E submissions are at:
planet?), it would be difficult to keep them secret for very
long (when I spoke of such worlds being mapped, I did not http://www.esnips.com/web/Alarums
mean geographically but rather astronomically).
On a related note, just as there is much speculation
regarding the probability of habitability, I would also be
intrigued to learn the probability of marginality. My guess 22
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200811/transgender-children
is that there are probably a great many marginal worlds for

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