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jtseng123(Mechanical)(OP)

25
Jul
13
11:36

Dearall,
SaySA51670,lookingatFigUCS66anditfallsbetweencurveBandD.ShallIaskimpacttestedornormalized
material?
Kindofgettingrustynowforsimplequestion.Yourhelpplease.Iremembersomesaysifthethicknessisabove
certainvalue,asknormalizedinsteadofimpacttested.

metengr(Materials)

25
Jul
13
11:46

OrderthematerialtoSA516Grade70materialspecification,andspecifyanormalizationheattreatment.Impact
testingisamethodforeitheranowner'srequirementorcoderequirementforuseofthematerial.Pleasereviewthe
SA516materialspecification.

jamesl(Mechanical)

25
Jul
13
12:00

OrdernormalizedwillgiveyouCurveD.

jtseng123(Mechanical)(OP)

25
Jul
13
14:35

ButIbelieveifvendorcandoimpacttestandpasstheenergyvalue,normalizationisnotrequiredandwillsavecost.
So,isthereanyproblemtospecify"SA51670impacttested"inlieuof"SA51670N"?Ididseeitwasdonethis
waybysomepeople.

jamesl(Mechanical)

25
Jul
13
16:11

Ifyoudon'tcareiftheplatesarenormalized,itisbettertospecifySA516only.Vendorcanchoosetobuyasrolled

plateswithimpacttestornormalizedplatestogetawaywithimpacttest,whicheverismoreconvenientand
economical.

jtseng123(Mechanical)(OP)

25
Jul
13
16:58

jamesl,
Soundsgoodtome.Thanks.

metengr(Materials)

25
Jul
13
21:07

IfyoureadSA516,likeImentionedearlier,asrolledplateswillbeprovidedfor1.5"andunderwithnoimpacttest.
Forplatesover1.5"youhavenochoice,theplatesshallbefurnishednormalized.
Impacttest?Thisisasupplementalrequirement,S.5,thatYOUneedtoprovidetothesupplier.Whatareyougoingto
accept?Lookat5.3below
5.3Whennotchtoughnesstestsarerequiredonplates
112in.[40mm]andunderinthickness,theplatesshallbe
normalizedunlessotherwisespecifiedbythepurchaser.

jtseng123(Mechanical)(OP)

26
Jul
13
9:56

metengr,
thatmeansIhavetospecifynormalizedmaterialregardless,evenIonlyneed3/4"thickplate.Ifthatisthecase,
manyofourpastpracticesofspecifing"SA51670impacttested"wereincorrect.

stanweld(Materials)

26
Jul
13
12:12

For3/4"plate,itwillbeuptothemanufacturertonormalizetheplateinordertomeettheimpactrequirements
specifiedinyourpurchaseorderwhenyoualsospecifyasrolledproduct.Otherwise,wheneveryouordered"impact
tested",yourplatewasnormalized.

curtis2004(Mechanical)

30
Jul
13
12:51

DearFriends,
CorrectmeifI'mwrong.UCS66determineswhenimpacttestisrequiredforCSvesselsbasedonmaterials,thickness,
andMDMT.IfmaterialthicknessatcertainMDMTfallsbelowacurve,thenformaterialslistedforthiscurveimpact
testingisnotmandatory(orrequired).
Ifitfallsabovecurve,thenyouneedeithertohavethismaterialimpacttestedatMDMTtemperature,orconsider
anothermaterialwhichmaybesuitableforservicewithoutimpacttestingrequirement.
Now,howaboutPWHTplaysintoallthis?Ifmaterialisnormalized,doesitalsoneedtobepostweldheattreatedin
ordertoqualifyforimpacttestingexemption?
DoesweldingprocedureshastobeprequalifiedforcertaintemperatureMDMT?
Bytheway,whatismoreeconomical:heattreatmentorimpacttesting?
Thanksinadvanceforclarification.
Curtis

stanweld(Materials)

30
Jul
13
16:41

Curtis2004,
Impacttestingmaybeinvokedbytheenduser,hisEngineer,ASMEB31.3,ASMEVIIIorothernational/international
standards.UnderASMEVIII,theSA516plateheattreatmentmaywellrequireadditionalpostweldheattreatments.
AnewWPSmaynotberequiredtobequalifiedontheproductionmaterialshowever,productionplateweldimpact
testingmayberequiredperUG84.

SnTMan(Mechanical)

30
Jul
13
17:48

curtis2004,UCS68allowsa30degFreductionifPWHTisperformedwhennototherwiserequiredbyCode.
Theperviousstateofthematerial,i.e.normalizedornot,hasnobearing.
CodedoesnotstatethatnormalizedmaterailsshallbePWHT,thatisgovernedbyUCS56andvariousothersections
relatedtoservice,etc.
ImpactqualifiedweldproceduresareneededbelowcertaintemperaturesperUCS67.
Regards,
Mike

curtis2004(Mechanical)

Hiall,
Let'sreviewthefollowingexample:

30
Jul
13
19:15

1.PressurevesselbuilttoASMEBPVCSectionVIII,Div.1
2.Designpressure:150psigMDMT55F
3.Materialused:ShellSA516Gr.70Normalized3/8"thickplateHeads2:1EllipticalSA516Gr.70Normalized3/8"
thickplate
4.NeitherPWHTnorImpacttestingisspecifiedbycustomer.
IfweassumethatthisvesselshouldonlycomplytoSectionVIII,Div.1:
Q1.Isthismaterialimpacttestexemptornot?Why?
Q2.IsPWHTrequired?Why?
Q3.Vendorhasweldingproceduresqualifiedfor40F.Canheuseitwithoutrequalificationornot?
Thankyouall,
Curtis

stanweld(Materials)

31
Jul
13
9:21

SinceyouhavenotindicatedanyexemptionsperUCS66basedonthedesign.
Q1.ThematerialisexemptfromimpacttestingperFigUCS66andNote4thereof.
Q2.PWHTisnotrequiredperUCS56unlessinLethalServiceperU2.
Q3.WPSmustbeadditionallyimpacttestqualifiedat55FonPNo.1Group2materialunlessthefillermetal
manufacturerhasclassifieditbyimpacttestingpertheapplicableSFAspecificationatatemperaturenotwarmerthan
theMDMTperUCS67(a)(3).

SnTMan(Mechanical)

31
Jul
13
9:44

curtis2004,
Q1,exempt,CurveDmaterial
Q2,no,notrequiredbyUCS56,unlessrequiredbyservice(UW2),orbyotherCoderules.
Q3,Unqualifiedproceduresmaybeusedinsomecases,seeUCS67(a)(3).Inthiscasethevendorproceduremaybe
usedasis.Otherwise,weldprocedureneedstobequalifiedfor55F,unless15FreductioncanbeobtainedbyUCS
66.
Regards,
Mike

curtis2004(Mechanical)

Great!
We'vegotconsensusontwooutofthreequestions.
OnQ3bothanswersseemslogical.However,temperaturereductionobtainedfromUCS66,doesittakeinto
considerationonlymaterialofvessel,orfillermaterial?Ithinkinordertoqualifyfortemperaturereductionfiller

31
Jul
13
10:01

materialandWPSalsoshouldqualify.Thisismysubjectiveopinion.Whatareyourthoughts,gentlemen?
Thankyou,
Curtis

SnTMan(Mechanical)

31
Jul
13
13:14

Notnecessarily,theconsumable(s)onlymaybequalifiedbytheirmanufacturer,seeUCS67(a)(3).
Regards,
Mike

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