Very Interesting Discussion

with a non muslim

vipankumar31
What is contribution of quran readers in the last 500 years in the developement of modern
science? shame on you.All the luxuries you are enjoying are invented by those people who never
read quran.understand.read the religious books of other religions.you will find more science
included there than quran.

12 / 28 / 2009 Reply

moinishat Replied: Hi Your comment itself reveals that you have a little knowledge of Islamic
and quranic studies. The whole world is still using the quranic knowledge to do more researches
in many fields. you can check this link www.sultan.org 12 / 28 / 2009

vipankumar31 Replied: Newton,galllilio,einstein,bohar,dalton.edison never read quran.ok u tell

me.you are reading quran and you know many things tell me what is your personal contribution
in the modern science or in technology development? you people only open your book after any
discovery or invention,but when you people will learn to investigate youself? 12 / 28 / 2009

moinishat Replied: Hi My dear atleast you read once the above book then comment on it. Why
do you comment without reading it. Your answer is already in it. By the way I invented many
theories on light. I sent it to many countries. But as usual, they claim it their work. So why do I
give any theory for other's name? Do you know Guru granth saheb? It contains many verses of
Holy book of Quran; why? Take care 12 / 28 / 2009

vipankumar31 Replied: u read the holy books of other religions and you will find that what is
writeen in quran,it is already there.u see the open hearedness of other religious scholars of
different religions who appreciated the some good ideals mentioned in your religion but not even
a single scholar of this book has ever appreciated other religion.see how narrow minded they
become after reading it. 12 / 28 / 2009

moinishat Replied: Hi My dear friend You are showing your ignorance about Islam. Please go to
this site. Here is your answer. www.irf.net 12 / 28 / 2009

vipankumar31 Replied: you people are under the grip of arabian imperialism in the name of
religion.I feel sad when i see the people like you to become the mouthpiece of arabians.all of
which you are proud to be is already existing.be familiar with the other religions also.come out
from the well.see the ocean. 12 / 29 / 2009

moinishat Replied: Hi My dear friend Have you ever checked your Vedas? In Vedas, Narashans
is no one but our beloved prophet. I request you to check Kalki Purana. The Kalki autar is no one
but our beloved prophet. I have thousands of references out of Vedic literatures. Please refer
www.irf.net the corrupt media wants to switch off the lamp of Almighty but they are not
successful take care 12 / 29 / 2009

vipankumar31 Replied: Nice to know that you have started searching your roots in vedas.ok now
it is selective acceptance but in future you will accept vedas fully.Hinduism includes the
thoughts of all religions as it is fully evolved not like islam which includes only one aspect of
reality.thats why it is unstable 12 / 29 / 2009

moinishat Replied: Hi My dear friend it is clearly mentioned in Parman Puran that Islam is the
only solution for salvation. Please check it. 12 / 29 / 2009

vipankumar31 Replied: why U fool the people?do you think only you are intelligent? The world
is watching the drama of how the followers of islam are getting salvation?Intolerant not only to
the others but within themselves also.nowhere u can see such a society full of hatered for
others.Have you ever noticed the followers of vedas or puranas doing or living like this?if u are
on the right path then why such restlessnes 12 / 29 / 2009

moinishat Replied: Hi Be friendly and read my another document " hindu should awake" and
check the real face of hiduism. You problem is of ignorance of your own scriptures. Thanks 12 /
29 / 2009

vipankumar31 Replied: the need of the hour is to awake muslims as they have become backward
because of their ignorance.they have became the dalits of arabian muslims.arabian shaikhs are
doing the same with asian muslims as brahmins did with shudras.muslims are divided into 74
sects and each sect is blood thirsty of the others.come out of this hell as soon as possible. 12 /
30 / 2009

moinishat Replied: Hi My dear friend I agree with you. But 72 groups are going towards hell due
to their bad deeds. Only one group is leading towards paradise. www.irf.net 12 / 30 / 2009

vipankumar31 Replied: Which one? sucide bomber sect? ok tell me,why islam is intolerant in its
birth place? why in islamic society co-existance with other religions is not possible? why the
traits of ALLAH like merciful,forgiving,tolerant are not followed by muslims? the biggest issue
is they are intolerent even in their society also.It is nice to have a discussion with you.carry on.
12 / 30 / 2009

moinishat Replied: Hi It is devil with each and every person to deviate them. But the Almighty
protects those who follow His teachings and His prophet. But 72 out of 73 are deviated from the
right path. It is combined task to guide them through their books. I mean Hindu should learn
Vedas, Muslims should learn the holy book of quran, christians should learn the true Bible and
so on. thanks 12 / 30 / 2009
vipankumar31 Replied: let me share you my observation that islam is nothing but childhood of
hinduism and hinduism is nothing but future of islam.it will take time for your society to
evolve.this is not the final stage of evolution of islamic society.they will discover new secrets
and slowly their statements will start matching or resembling hinduism.thay wii conclude that
love for humanity is more important than islam 12 / 30 / 2009

moinishat Replied: Hi This shows your mind gets stagnant with your own religion
(mythomaniac). This is very dangerous disorder of brain. Its causes are well known to the
psychatrists of today and mainly includes blasphamy,ignorance,pride,insistance,jealous etc. First
you tabulate which god is big and which is bigger in your own religion. Who was Brahma? You
may take assistance of Shree Ravi Ravi ShankerJi. Thanks 12 / 30 / 2009

vipankumar31 Replied: when a person falls short of logic then he start commenting like this.do u
know the meaning of stagnation? just check your society,and see who is stagnating.anyway lets
talk scientifically.u claim your religion is scientific,ok.but science is not only theoratical,it has
developed technology to ease the human sufferings.where is technical,part of ur religion? 12 / 30
/ 2009

moinishat Replied: Hi This is very logical question and I appreciate it. In Islamic literature,
washing hands just before taking foods is compulsory. Before Islamic teachings, people of the
world was not having knowledge of harmful organisms attached to hands which may
contaminate foods. Nobody is able to prove a single verse of our holy book unscientific. If
anybody will try to disprove it, he will invent a new. 12 / 30 / 2009

vipankumar31 Replied: do u think it was unknown to hindus who invented yoga and ayurveda?
if u have studied puranas you might have come through so many scientific terms.science talks
about atom we talk about atam,as one goes deep into the non living and other goes deep into the
living matter.science talks about mc2=E,hindus talk about all which is visible,invisible all shiva.
12 / 30 / 2009

moinishat Replied: Hi I am loving Shiva. Do you know why? Because he already predicted our
beloved prophet to his wife. He is the mighty prophet of the Almighty, Isa in Arabic, Jesus in
English. All prophets taught the same truth. Vedic religion was Islam in its time. Jesus's religion
was Islam in its time. Moses's religion was Islam in its time and so on. 12 / 30 / 2009

vipankumar31 Replied: In vedas havan yajanas are mentioned.why not muslims perform havan
yajanas?in vedas so many deities are mentioned why not muslims pray to them? ok tell me what
are your equivalents to protons,neutrons and electrons like hindu brahma,vishnu and mahesh? 12
/ 30 / 2009

moinishat Replied: Hi Do you have any authenticity that protons= brahma. Any word without
authenticity is not acceptible. Please give me your authentic reference. Thanks 12 / 31 / 2009

vipankumar31 Replied: I want to say that the investigator of non living matter talks about its 3
constituents and the indian rishi talks about the 3 constituents of living matter with the simmilar
traits?proton is +ve creative,neutron is neutral,electron is -ve,brahma is creative force,vishnu is
sustainer,mahesh is destroyer 12 / 31 / 2009

moinishat Replied: Hi Do you have any authenticity that protons= brahma. Any word without
authenticity is not acceptible. Please give me your authentic reference. Thanks 12 / 31 / 2009

moinishat Replied: Hi for example: Shivji predicted about our beloved prophet to his wife.
Reference is "Shree Gopal Sahasrnaam". I hope now you are able to understand my point.
Thanks 12 / 31 / 2009

vipankumar31 Replied: I am drawing the parallels between science and hinduism and requesting
you to tell me your equivalents.and as far as reference of prophet in hindubook it proves the
authensity of hindu scripture which goes beyond prophet but not stop at prophet.Every verse of
quran can be found somewhere in hindu books.which means thats there is nothing new in
quran.ignorant arabic can boast of this book but not u 12 / 31 / 2009
moinishat Replied: Hi If you are right in your own built statement about the holy book Quran
then accept its challenge: The greatest miracle of the last prophet Mohammed (B.P.U.H.) is the
Holy book of Quran, how? If you are in some doubt about this book of Quran then make a few
verses similar those of the book (see in Quran, Chapter-2, Verses-22, 23, 24). www.sultan.org
and if you can not do it then you are fool 6 days ago

vipankumar31 Replied: What yaar child like argument? everything in this universe is
unique.even the same parents cant produce two children look a like? what u or I am speaking no
one can speak in the same tone? what is special in this? but the thing is how this quality has
benifited our lives? have this made the life of this book followers more peaceful than others?
have they more tolerant? 6 days ago

moinishat Replied: Hi You have proved yourself a mythomaniac. The anti-christ (andhak asur)
and the corrupt media are making more and more mythomaniac patients. Some body is telling
somebody about tolerance and giving reference of Gujrat riots and phasphorus attacks over
children of Palestine. What a tolerance!!! 6 days ago

vipankumar31 Replied: Let me first wish you happy new year.May God bless both of us with
correct understanding of truth.The discussion will continue. 6 days ago

moinishat Replied: Hi Happy new year to you and your friends and your family and all creatures
of all the universes of Islamic calender; the first day of the first month of Muharrum.
http://www.islamicfinder.org/Hcal/ind... Take care 6 days ago

vipankumar31 Replied: Gujarat riots were initiated by muslims from godhra.do u think any non
muslim community can do like this in any muslim majority country?jews are the original
habitants of arabian peninsula but u r not accepting them to live even on a small peace of
land,where as you have occupied the vast land of other civilizations.where is justuce? 6 days ago
moinishat Replied: “Until, when death comes to one of them, he says: ‘O my Lord. Send me
back to life (on earth) in order that I may do good deeds in the things that I neglected.’ By no
means! It is only an utterance that he says. And before them is a barrier (preventing them from
returning: the life of the grave) until the Day (of Resurrection) they are ressurected.” (Quran
23:99-100) http://www.sultan.org/ 6 days ago

vipankumar31 Replied: yah same i want to say that this verse applies more on beleivers.From
manila to morocco everywhere they are on killing spree.why non muslims dont want to live in
muslim countries like muslims want to live in non muslim countries where they can live more
peacefully,happily under civil laws instead of barbaric islamic laws. 6 days ago

moinishat Replied: The first man and father of all humans was muslim. Manu (Maha+Nu) or
Noah was muslim. Brahma (Abrahm) or Abraham was muslim. Vishnu (Vish+ Nu) was muslim.
Shiva (Isha) or Isa was muslim. So, the whole earth belongs to Almighty and His followers. It is
the tolerance and mercy of the Almighty for you to let live on the earth. If you say a strange man
as your father then face the music of your mother 6 days ago

vipankumar31 Replied: now only remaining entity is ALLAH,why not claim he is also muslim?
ok tell me is the sange aswad in kaba is shivlinga? if allah is rabi-ul-almeen then why his house
confined to only for musalmeen?when all muslims worship on allah,one book then why all
muslim countries have borders?why not become one?asian muslmis constitue more than 50%
muslim ummah,how much right on petrol mny share? 6 days ago

moinishat Replied: Hi My friend do you know the meaning of Shivling? Shivling= Shiv+ling=
Shiv (one name of Almighty)+ ling ( sign or symbol). In this way Hajr-e-aswad is surely a sign
of Almighty. What is the problem in this? Thanks 5 days ago
vipankumar31 Replied: wonderful, you are really courageous.my friend the situations you are
facing today,haven been faced by hindus in the last 1200 years when muhammad bin qasim
launched the first attack.it is said that history repeats itself.thats why every religion preaches
pease.but when the followers of any religion become blind,they invite wrath of almighty.earlier it
were hindus now muslims. 5 days ago

moinishat Replied: Sura 3 - Al-E-Imran (MADINA) : Verse 71 O people of the Scripture (Jews
and Christians): "Why do you mix truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know?"
Translation : Eng-Dr. Mohsin 5 days ago

moinishat Replied: Sura 18 - Al-Kahf (MAKKA) : Verse 4 And to warn those (Jews, Christians,
and pagans) who say, "Allâh has begotten a son (or offspring or children)." Translation : Eng-Dr.
Mohsin 5 days ago

moinishat Replied: Hi My friend there are only two groups from the first day to the last day of
the earth. First group is of Almighty and His followers (true muslims). Second group is of Anti-
christ and his followers. The first group is always the winner in terms of
Ram,Krishna,Buddha,Moses,Jesus and in the last our beloved prophet. 5 days ago

vipankumar31 Replied: sorry,u r wrong,for your kind information,rama, krishna and buddha
never fought or instigated war to spread religion.they never imposed their philosophy on
others.they never preached conversion.they never looted the wealth or tried to rule other
societies.they did not told to destroy other's religious places.prophet doesnt fit in this lineage. 5
days ago

moinishat Replied: Hi U mean Rama visited Ravan for friendship and to accept his religion.
Krishna fought with his uncle to make friendship and accept his religion. Budha preached other's
religion. Their people was always ready to accept other religions. They were always slaves of
others. Reality is that all of them fought for true religion (Islam). U can not impose ur theory of
corrupt media on public. Public is!! 5 days ago
vipankumar31 Replied: When you dont know the reason behind rama ravana trouble or of
mahabharata then why u r unnecessarily jumping into this matter? rama or krishna never married
6 year old little girl to fulfill their lust.true religion never teaches to rule over others and loot
them.true religion is not a marketing item.true religion is more for living than preaching.actions
speak louder than words. 4 days ago

moinishat Replied: Sura 3 - Al-E-Imran (MADINA) : Verse 118 O you who believe! Take not as
(your) Bitânah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends) those outside your religion
(pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you.
They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their
breasts conceal is far worse. Ind 4 days ago

vipankumar31 Replied: ha ha ha what a contrast,Our religion says nindak niyre raakhiye aangan
kuti chhavaye,bin sabun,paani bina,nirmal kare sawvay.and see your pioneer,he closed all door
for improvement.this is the reason that within 1400 years this cult has created opponent
everywhere.1000yearsb4 only hindus were angry but now world is angry.in france no burqa,in
switzerland now mosque. 4 days ago

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discussion board and share your views ! You can find many converts from Christianity to Islam
there, as well as Christians who are learning more about Islam. If you are a former Christian
priest or missionary who has embraced Islam, please email your testimony to us at
mifo@missionislam.com 4 days ago

moinishat Replied: Hi Which is better option? 1- To kill female foetus or infants 2- To marry 13
year old girl and make her a great scholar 3 days ago
moinishat Replied: Hi Do you know this that in yesterday's science sun was stationary but in the
holy book of Quran it was spinning? 3 days ago

vipankumar31 Replied: can a girl be made scholar after marrying her only? cant a scholar adopt
her like a daughter? and sun may be stationary for arabians but not for indians read some indian
literature also.you can take it as your duty to make arabians aware of rich literature of india in
which even their prophet had been forecasted.indian literature books contain more science than
quran. 2 days ago

moinishat Replied: Hi Who taught Indians to kill alive a wife with her husband's dead body into
fire. Is it Indian Sciences? 2 days ago

vipankumar31 Replied: Kindly tell me the difference between Sati and sucide bomber? 1 day ago

moinishat Replied: Hi Sura 81 - At-Takwir (MAKKA) : Verse 8 And when the girl-child that
was buried alive is asked Translation : Eng-Pickthal-Audio 1 day ago

vipankumar31 Replied: kindly tell me the difference between sati and sucide bomber? 1 day ago

vipankumar31 Replied: kindly tell me the difference between sati and sucide bomber? and why
is honour killing rampant in muslims? 1 day ago

moinishat Replied: Hi In Islam n humanity both sati as well as suicide bombing (killing
innocents) r prohibited n illegal. Thanks for asking 1 day ago
vipankumar31 Replied: so b4 accusing others better to own badnesses.for each evil of others
there are many equivalent evils in the followers of true religion.accept it.In no way you are
superior to others. about 20 hours ago

moinishat Replied: Hi In all regions of the earth and in their own souls, until it becomes clear
that there is only one true God (Allah). God says in the Quran: “We will show them our signs in
the furthest regions (of the earth) and in their souls, until it becomes clear to them that this is the
truth…” (Quran 41:53). http://www.sultan.org/ about 16 hours ago
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vipankumar31 Replied: do you think that b4 quran,the mankind was unaware of God? The
meaning of the verse is that god is everywhere from the tiny soul to the great distances in the
universe.so see god in everything.this is the meaning.but u see god only in muslims.first improve
ur understandng. about 16 hours ago

moinishat Replied: Hi The holy book of quran is the last testament that is why it is the only way
to God Almighty. This is written in all religious books including Vedas. about 15 hours ago

vipankumar31 Replied: this is the arabian consipiracy to spread their imperialisam in the name of
religion you the converted people for different reasons have become their mouthpieces.Think
yourself if this the true religion then why it is endangered by a single lady taslima nasreen or
salman rushdi? if u will punish the culprits then to whom the god will punish? why it is afraid of
other religions? about 5 hours ago

moinishat Replied: Hi this is the anti christ (andhak asur) consipiracy to spread their imperialism
in the name of satan you the blasphamous people for different reasons have become anti christ
mouthpieces.Think yourself if this the true satan then why it is endangered by Islam (Jesus
christ)? if u punish the prophets then to whom the god will punish? why it is afraid of Islam?
about 1 hour ago