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 Motheroftwoandahalf Recommend? (19)
13 Jan 2010, 12:55PM
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Hilarious. As Monckton's fellow rightwing ideologue Richard Littlejohn says, you

couldn't make it up.

cannaman Recommend? (27)

13 Jan 2010, 1:05PM
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It would be Noosa wouldn't it?

Dreadful, pretentious place full of 'boutique' this and 'boutique' that.

I'm guessing a lot of its residents will be deniers right up to the day where the
waves are lapping at Murdoch junior's front door. They're welcome to Monckton -
it's his kind of place.

loupblanc Recommend? (15)

13 Jan 2010, 1:05PM
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I don't know what sort of planet these people think they're living on but it's
becoming increasingly clear that it isn't the same I live on

Except of course ... it is :(

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13 Jan 2010, 1:58PM
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Those mainstream climate scientists who, according to the 'sceptics', are just
in it for the money must be kicking themselves.

NottingHillNonsense Recommend? (6)

13 Jan 2010, 2:22PM
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That's a bit over GBP57,000.

It really proves a point, doesn't it, that the Copenhagen conference, with its
fantastic outcome, cost so much less.

I can't actually remember the cost of Copenhagen, but no doubt you can find out
on the internet.

NottingHillNonsense Recommend? (3)

13 Jan 2010, 2:23PM
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Plus Copenhagen didn't cost the taxpayer a penny.

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13 Jan 2010, 2:41PM
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Well, at least if the extremes of both 'sides' of (A)GW are distracted knocking
petty tribal spots off each other, their various 'leaders' and their various
professional 'arrangements', maybe the way is let clear for those who are
actually doing something worthwhile as regards the future to get on with it... and
maybe even score some objective press as they do so.

But I rather doubt it. Name calling is so much more satisfying personally, and
professionally doesn't hurt the ratings I guess.

Does rather detract from those keen on maintaining the moral high ground,
mind.

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13 Jan 2010, 2:45PM
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its such a great photo of him.

How about a caption competition?

Rufus16 Recommend? (23)

13 Jan 2010, 3:22PM
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This silly smear-by-innuendo is hardly rigorous, pithy critique is it?

I am sure an equally amusing piece could be written on Monbiot. And lets

consider Dr Rajenda Pachauri and his many conflicts of interest.

And let's not even start to talk about Al Gore. After all, you could right books
about the double standards with that guy.

The problem is that Monckton is merely offering a point of view. Nothing wrong
with that. The likes of Pachauri and Gore, however, are influencing public policy,
yet their genuinely nasty goings-on are ignored by The Guardian, because they
are perceived to be on the "same team".

Pathetic.

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13 Jan 2010, 3:45PM
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As an Australian I am deeply embarrased about all this.

As a human being on the only planet we have I am mortified.

@Gregchivs- agree.

Alexander2000 Recommend? (20)

13 Jan 2010, 4:05PM
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Al Gore charges $250,000 per appearance, enough said really.

ThomasGoodey Recommend? (13)

13 Jan 2010, 4:21PM
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It would be cheap to hear the truth that Monckton tells us, at ten times the price.

Don't forget how much money we will be able to save, if and when we take his
advice!

PottyProf Recommend? (8)

13 Jan 2010, 4:27PM
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Well that is all rather transparent of them, publishing their financial

arrangements up front .

Not as cost effective as getting 53 delegates to Copenhagen for a mere $1.5

million 'though, but not a penny of Tax Payers money wasted.

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13 Jan 2010, 4:32PM
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£20,000 for 8 lectures; 3 weeks work; that's very reasonable

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13 Jan 2010, 4:33PM
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steve26
13 Jan 2010, 2:45PM
its such a great photo of him.
How about a caption competition?

They're not much cop at getting topical photographs on here , wheeling out the
same tired old shots time and again.
Even a comic with a half decent illustrator could do rather better.

RichardTol Recommend? (5)

13 Jan 2010, 4:35PM
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sorry, mixed up the currency

£20,000 would be reasonable (that is, I would charge more)

$20,000 is cheap

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13 Jan 2010, 4:50PM
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and also.. whats the other $80'000 for then? $10'000 per talk in setting it up?

I could hold an entire music festical for that.

Barelysane Recommend? (6)

13 Jan 2010, 4:57PM
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Definately cheap, given that a single ticket to hear Al Gore speak at a dinner
could set you back $500.

http://www.thestar.com/news/sciencetech/environment/article/730496--bold-
action-needed-on-climate-change-al-gore-says

With 1300 guests that's quite a nights work (even after the 100k donation thats
still over half a million dollars).

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13 Jan 2010, 5:08PM
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Rather cheaper than an Al Gore photo!

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13 Jan 2010, 5:08PM
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The Guardian should take aim here and fire hard.

While I do appreciate a bit of investigative journalism, I think it's more

appropiate to say that this article is more a case of pointing the gun at it's own
head and pulling the trigger - especially on the back of a very expensive COP15
summit which achieved next to nothing.

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H3991 Recommend? (2)

13 Jan 2010, 5:35PM
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I can just picture the scene...

Lord monckton on a private plane winging his delirious way to australia.

he is only being paid £20,000 but what happens to the rest? something along
the lines of:

Planes carpet made entirely of tiger skins

lord Moncktons lunch- starter Amazonian beef and soya bean salad
- main -trawled tuna steak with beluga caviar
mahogany toilet seat

if theres any left over it probably goes straight to the companies that fund the
lectures of people like him (most likely oil companies). Even if the stuff about
climate change was proved wrong he would still have us tear up the rainforests,
dump plastic and toxic chemicals into the sea and build a factory in every
village. All in the name of `development`. What a cock.

gpwayne Recommend? (7)

13 Jan 2010, 6:21PM
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Weird how climate change hubrists bang on about how AGW is all some scam
to make money, but don't notice how their gullibility is being so ruthlessly
exploited by cranks and demagogues laughing all the way to the bank. That the
hubrists seem so remarkably keen to hand over their money to gross
charlatans like Plimer, a man incapable of answering questions about his own
book, and 'Bedwetter' Monckton, whose speech to the Heartland conference
remains one of the most disgusting, meretricious, fawning pack of lies,
distortions and rabble-rousing I've ever read (the only comparable speeches I
can think of all invoke Godwin's law), is yet another demonstration of the ease
with which a fool and his money are parted. Especially a desperate fool.

Easy money then. Just write any old crowd-pleasing nonsense, tell the
audience everything is fine, nothing to worry about, it's all a commie plot and
here's the invoice (cash please, non-sequential bills).

Bet Nick Griffin is eyeing up the lecture circuit even as we speak...

H3991 Recommend? (0)

13 Jan 2010, 6:47PM
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just remembered theyre paying him $ 20 000

not pounds
but I'm not amending anything else of my previous statement

NeverMindTheBollocks Recommend? (6)

13 Jan 2010, 7:05PM
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@Alexander2000

damn!

You beat me to it.

Come on, Leo. How about an "expose" on how much Gore costs the warmists
and thus prevents from being used for preventing climate change?

NeverMindTheBollocks Recommend? (6)

13 Jan 2010, 7:10PM
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But I do have to genuinely ask what Leo was thinking with this CiF.

Did he simply not think about how much people like Gore charge on the
speaking circuit?

Did he think about this but decide to overlook it?

Did he think that it wouldn't cross the mind of others?

I just don't get it.

Such one-sided indignation simply exposes the climate change movement to

such obvious criticisms and ridicule, rather than helping their cause.

gpwayne Recommend? (9)

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NeverMindTheBollocks

Come on, Leo. How about an "expose" on how much Gore costs
the warmists and thus prevents from being used for preventing
climate change?

We're just going to ignore the fact that the money he raises goes to his research
foundation then? What's Monckton going to do with the money he gets, I
wonder?

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Compared with Al Gore's fees this seems to be a bargain! And one gets a
speaker who is articulate,entertaining and understands scientific issues.I don't
see a problem.

DodgyGeezer Recommend? (6)

13 Jan 2010, 8:42PM
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"We have to fly Lord Monkton to Australia, cover all his domestic
travel and accommodation and provide a stipend of $20,000
[£11,500],"

That's less than £1500 per lecture.

I do training courses in IT, and I charge more than that.

Looks to me like the sceptics are a load of cheapskates...

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@Gregchivs Well put, a plastic place with plastic people

@payitforward - I'm with you mate

@Messum - Yep, a spot on assment

@gpwayne - A very realistic comment. The problem is that the US vested

interest PR organisations and think tanks have done their research very
carefully and they have specifically targeted that part of the populace with IQ's
below a certain level (you refer to them as fools) as they know they will be easily
duped. The world is all the poorer for all these charlatans.

So much nonsense flying about in these comments as to what Monckton is

worth versus Gore or Monbiot. None of you are comparing apples with apples,
on the one side you have a man (Monckton) who has no training whatsoever in
climatology and whose asserted credentials are viewed as unfounded self-
promotion versus Gore and Monbiot who have at least researched the work of
real scientists. It's a bit like putting your money into a slot machine versus a cold
drinks vending machine, we all know which one will give us a reliable output.

cor1cor2 Recommend? (5)

13 Jan 2010, 10:34PM
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Lord Monckton Is brilliant, he took Al Gore to court and won.

MeFinny2 Recommend? (6)

13 Jan 2010, 11:34PM
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Weird how climate change hubrists bang on about how AGW is

all some scam to make money, but don't notice how their
gullibility is being so ruthlessly exploited by cranks and
demagogues laughing all the way to the bank.

gpwayne
.

And how quickly you were confirmed correct in your description (apart from the
use of 'hubrist', rather than Denier) :

And one gets a speaker who is articulate,entertaining and

understands scientific issues.I don't see a problem.

PASKMP

Lord Monckton Is brilliant, he took Al Gore to court and won.

cor1cor2

This is their 'brilliant, articulate, entertaining, scientific' hero.

He lies about his political standing :

Finally, you may wonder why it is that a member of the Upper House of the
United Kingdom legislature, wholly unconnected with and unpaid by the
corporation that is the victim of your lamentable letter, should take the unusual
step of calling upon you as members of the Upper House of the United States
legislature either to withdraw what you have written or resign your sinecures.
An open letter to Senators Snowe and Rockefeller

When he has actually tried to get a seat in the Lords, this is how popular he
was :

http://www.parliament.uk/documents/upload/HoLNotice070307.pdf"
rel="nofollow">
Conservative Hereditary Peers? By-election, March 2007: Result
V. Monckton of Brenchley - 0 votes

He lies about anything, in fact :

A SCOTTISH aristocrat who claimed he was forced to sell his ancestral pile after
losing a fortune on a $1 million puzzle has admitted that he invented the story to
boost sales.
THE SCOTSMAN

But at least he acknowledges his abilities (FROM THE SAME LINK) :

"I was selling the house anyway and they asked me if I would be willing to tell
people I was selling the house because I was afraid somebody might solve the
puzzle too fast. I said 'yes'. They said, 'Don't you mind being made to look an
absolute prat', and I said, 'No - I'm quite used to that'. History is full of stories that
aren't actually true.

He is dangerously bigoted :

there is only one way to stop AIDS. That is to screen the entire population
regularly and to quarantine all carriers of the disease for life. Every member of
the population should be blood-tested every month ... all those found to be
infected with the virus, even if only as carriers, should be isolated compulsorily,
immediately, and permanently.
AMERICAN SPECTATOR

He laughably tries to attach himself to the IPCC for personal glory :

His contribution to the IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report in 2007 - the

correction of a table inserted by IPCC bureaucrats that had overstated tenfold
the observed contribution of the Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets to
sea-level rise - earned him the status of Nobel Peace Laureate.
LETTER TO MCCAIN

He lives in the past, where white men called the shots :

Previously Robert Mugabe, dictator of Rhodesia, who had refused to leave office
when he had been soundly defeated in a recent election, had also won plaudits
at the conference for saying that the West ought to pay him plenty of money in
reparation of our supposed ?climate debt?.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/17/lord-monckton-barred-from-copenhagen-
conference-pushed-to-the-ground-by-security/" rel="nofollow">WTF

Even his fellow contrarians are bemused by him :

Swivel-eyed maniacs.
But, in covering the beginning of the Copenhagen summit, the BBC got its act in
order ? and included a clip in its news report from Christopher Monckton, 3rd
Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, no less. Ooh-er. Chris thinks the United States
is signing itself to a communistic world government and a transfer of power from
the west to the third world. You can see him swiveling his eyes about here.
ROD LIDDLE
.
.

As for his 'court victory'...

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13 Jan 2010, 11:40PM
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As for his court 'victory', I presume that those who have only read about it from
dodgy Denier sites might be confused as to the actual result. Sorry to expose
the truth to you like this, but it's best to stay in the real world :

Mr Justice Burton:
# Stuart Dimmock is a father of two sons at state school and a school governor.
He has brought an application to declare unlawful a decision by the then
Secretary of State for Education and Skills to distribute to every state secondary
school in the United Kingdom a copy of former US Vice-President Al Gore's film,
An Inconvenient Truth ("AIT"), as part of a pack containing four other short films
and a cross-reference to an educational website ("Teachernet") containing a
dedicated Guidance Note.

# In the circumstances, and for those reasons, in the light of the changes to the
Guidance Note which the Defendant has agreed to make, and has indeed
already made, and upon the Defendant's agreeing to send such amended
Guidance Note out in hard copy, no order is made on this application, save in
relation to costs, on which I shall hear Counsel.
DIMMOCK

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14 Jan 2010, 2:52AM
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None of this matters.

People want to hear what they want to hear and the price is very clearly stated.

On this subject, more people want to hear about global warming so Gore gets
the lions share while the deniers mentioned barely squeze enough out for room
and board.

The next speakers will be those who will have the latest skinny on the coming
Ice Age followed swiftly by survival experts who will not be staying around for
long.
I guess when the money runs out no one will have the time for this foolishness.

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14 Jan 2010, 4:17AM
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Don't worry we will make sure Monkton gets a warm welcome, hopefully a few
45C plus days whilst he's in Australia. Nick Minchin is a Rumsfeld clone, a very
dangerous man who had the former Liberal leader Malcom Turnbull ousted as
he was proactive in dealing with Global Heating. Plimer has been proven a
charlatan. Here are some useful peer reviews of his book.

Plimer has done an enormous disservice to science, and the dedicated

scientists who are trying to understand climate and the influence of humans, by
publishing this book. It is not "merely" atmospheric scientists that would have to
be wrong for Plimer to be right. It would require a rewriting of biology, geology,
physics, oceanography, astronomy and statistics. Plimer's book deserves to
languish on the shelves along with similar pseudo-science such as the
writings of Immanuel Velikovsky and Erich von Daniken
Professor Michael Ashley

Given the errors, the non-science, and the nonsense in this book, it should be
classified as science fiction in any library that wastes its funds buying it. The
book can then be placed on the shelves alongside Michael Crichton's State of
Fear, another science fiction book about climate change with many footnotes.
The only difference is that there are fewer scientific errors in State of Fear.
Professor David Karoly, School of Earth Sciences, University of Melbourne

Heaven and Earth is not a work of science, it is an opinion of an author who

happens to be a scientist...If this had been written by an honours student, I
would have failed it with the comment: You have obviously trawled through a lot
of material but the critical analysis is missing. Supporting arguments and
unsupported arguments in the literature are not distinguished or properly
referenced, and you have left the impression that you have not developed an
understanding of the processes involved. Rewrite!
Professor Kurt Lambeck, President of the Australian Academy of Science

Sources:
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/scienceshow/stories/2009/2593166.htm
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25433059-5003900,00.html
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/ockhamsrazor/stories/2009/2589206.htm

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14 Jan 2010, 6:58AM
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This article is trashy journalism. I would have been too ashamed to sign off on
it. To hypocritically pick on Monckton in this fashion without looking at the AGW
side of the equation is just plain trashy, and reeks of desperation.

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14 Jan 2010, 8:54AM
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Monckton isn't going to make one single penny if the world's politicians
suddenly agree with him. Strong, Pachauri and Gore stand to make billions of
$s if the world's politicians agree with them. I should have thought the
distinction between Monckton and the three AGWers was obvious even to the
most thick headed warmist, but what do I know?

BTW if George Monbiot was invited to talk I would expect him to ask for a
stipend, as he gets for his column, that in no way negates his arguments, the
only way his arguments can be negated is by an interchange of ideas.

The alarmists on here seem to be under the impression that Monckton takes
money for giving lectures is evidence that his arguments are wrong. It is the
quality of the alarmists arguments that's made me a sceptic.

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DodgyGeezer

First off, happy new year old bean.

I do training courses in IT, and I charge more than that.

Bugger - never cracked £1K+ a day myself.

Looks to me like the sceptics are a load of cheapskates...

Sure, but there's a lot more of them. Economies of scale and all that? :)

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DodgyGeezer

That's less than £1500 per lecture.

I do training courses in IT, and I charge more than that.

Looks to me like the sceptics are a load of cheapskates...

£1500 a day for a training course maybe, £1500 a lecture is a little high!
Anyway this is for training, in Microsoft technologies I assume? If I wanted to
goto a lecture about the latest technology Microsoft are working on, say Azure
or .net 4, I would more than likely find something for free in Reading.

A quick google of public lectures show a long list of lectures open to the public
covering amongst many other thing climate science presented by actual
professor from world leading universities. I had the good fortune to see a
Stephen Hawkins lecture a few years back without paying a penny.

There will always be people like Monckton, Plimer and Gore who exploit the
situation, what ever it is, to make money. I'd be more than happy to ignore all
these people and look only at the published science on this subject ... I doubt
the sceptics would be so keen to do that though.

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Lord Monkton is one of the best scientific debaters in the world. I

doubt that anybody in or out of the scientific community could go
toe to toe with him on the science or the facts of climate, the
history of our solar system or mankind?s history and influence
on the earth. He does not need notes it?s all locked into his
memory.

ted208
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Don't you mean 'bestest' ?

Here is your bestest debater, avoiding the chance of a debate :

Wessel: I would like to give you my card, if you would like to discuss this.

Monckton: I do not wants the cards of the Hitler Youth. No.

Monckton calls young climate activists 'Hitler Youth'

CHICKEN...

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Shaking hands with Al Bore sets you back 700 Sterling...

"Have you ever shaken hands with an American vice president? If not, now is
your chance. Meet Al Gore in Copenhagen during the UN Climate Change
Conference," notes the Danish tourism commission, which is helping Mr. Gore
promote "Our Choice," his newest book about global warming in all its alarming
modalities.

"Tickets are available in different price ranges for the event. If you want it all, you
can purchase a VIP ticket, where you get a chance to shake hands with Al Gore,
get a copy of Our Choice and have your picture taken with him. The VIP event
costs DKK 5,999 and includes drinks and a light snack."

Monckton calls young climate activists 'Hitler Youth'

Seems to be fashion in the climate discussion...

Pachauri (IPCC chairman): "What is the difference between Lomborg's (luke
warmer) view of humanity and Hitler's?"
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It shows they are losing the war when they have to resort to such childishly
pathetic playground stuff like this.

Is he expected to work for nothing? He is doing great service in exposing the

lies put out by the warmers, ever inventive with new scares when the climate,
(sorry, the weather), doesn't co-operate.

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@Patrickdj

this was amusing:

"on the one side you have a man (Monckton) who has no training
whatsoever in climatology and whose asserted credentials are
viewed as unfounded self-promotion versus Gore and Monbiot
who have at least researched the work of real scientists."

are you sure you didn't mean:

"on the one side you have a man (Monckton) who has no training
whatsoever in climatology and whose asserted credentials are
viewed as unfounded self-promotion versus Gore and Monbiot
who have...also no training whatsoever in climatology."

Please note that none of my comments are an endorsement of Lord Monckton.

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