Are Aliens and Fallen Angels The Same Beings?

Are Aliens and Fallen Angels the Same Beings?
Are Aliens and Fallen

Angels the Same Beings?
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Commentary & Five Perspectives

Ricardo Saúl LaRosa
© 2010 by Ricardo Saúl LaRosa

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Introduction:
As an inquiring historian and teacher, I have always been fascinated with the origins of
humanity. Who were the precursors to Homo Sapiens Sapiens? Scientist now place
humans with the same brain size as we have today dating back about 100,000 years ago.
Linguistics place the development of language about 50,000 years ago. There seems to be
a consensus amongst the mainstream, conservative academics that “history” and
“civilization” began with Sumner some 6,000 tears ago. But a new generation of writers
and historians are aggressively challenging the status quo with amazing and detailed
documentations debunking traditional views.
Modern, mainstream and conservative science theorizes that modern man, Homo sapiens
sapiens-- appeared on Earth about 100.000 to 200,000 years ago. In recent years there has
surface an incredible group of writers and historians, men and women, from all kinds of
academic disciplines that have published their independent works in what has become
know as alternative or revisionist history. Their theories and opinions are quite
interesting and needs to be given a very serious and sincere consideration.
Two such writers are Michael Cremo and Richard L. Thompson whose book,
Forbidden Archeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race, in 1998 sent shock
waves throughout the academic and non-academic worlds alike. They assert that man
did not “evolve” from ape man, but instead has co-existed with apes for millions of
years. Further, that humans descended from their natural spiritual beings incarnating
into the physical human body which is just a temporal state for humans.
My research and working hypothesis of human beings’ beginnings will be outlined in

my upcoming treatise entitled, On The Origins of Homo Sapiens Sapiens, to be
published this Spring 2010, exclusively on scridb.com.
I believe that most, if not all of these so-called “aliens” these visitors from outer space
are not really the ET’s that we have come to understand from popular culture. These
“aliens” are no more than the fallen angels themselves of famous Biblical account as
found in Genesis:
Genesis 6:1-8
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and
daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took
them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is
flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God
came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became
mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every
imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at
his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth;
both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me
that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
As Chuck Missler explains very eloquently:
Sons of God = Bene HaElohim (Hebrew)Sons of God = angels
Genesis goes on to explain that there were giants in the days of Noah and afterwards.

Afterwards. This is extremely important to understand. These giants were the result of
the forbidden sexual unions of the fallen angels (sons of God) and the human women
(the daughters of men.)
By the account that Genesis gives us it seems apparent that not all the fallen angels were
destroyed in the Flood of Noah’s day. These fallen angels are still here, today, on Earth
masquerading as “aliens” or “ascended masters” who are here to help humanity awaken
into spiritual enlightenment.
Here within lies the greatest danger for humanity. The so-called New Age Movement
has an abundance of writers who believe that they are channeling with righteous
benevolent celestial beings who at this time in history decided to communicate with
human beings to help us; I don’t think so.
I truly believe that these are the fallen angels disguising themselves as caring aliens.
There is nothing good, caring or benevolent about what these phony “aliens” are doing
to thousands of people in their sadistic abductions.
Also, many people, New Age and non New Age alike are claiming that during their
contacts and commutations with these supernatural beings they are told that they are
the spiritual incarnation of a famous historical person; “I was told that I was Cleopatra
in my previous life.” People are believing these lies and unknowing are placing their life
and soul in tremendous danger.
My research and working hypothesis of the supernatural will be published in two

upcoming booklets entitled On Satan And The Rebellion In Heaven and When Good
Angels Rebel to be published this Spring 2010 on scribd.com. The main points of these
two booklets are the following:
The Holy Bible speaks about two separate and independent rebellions by angels in
heaven. The first one is described in Isaiah 14:12 “How art thou fallen from heaven, O
Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst
weaken the nations!” and the rebellion of the angels (sons of God) that descended
from Heaven (in rebellion) and had sex with human women (Genesis 6:1-8). I believe
that there were many more rebellions of angels in Heaven that the Bible left out.
Based on my research of the scared Hebraic books I concur with their belief that if the

Archangel Michael had not sided with God during Lucifer’s rebellion that Heaven
and God’s throne (government) would have been overthrown; what is known in
political science as a coup d’état; a coup in Heaven!
I theorize that the being of Lucifer and the metaphorical character of the infamous
Serpent of the Eden story are NOT the one and the same being. They are two distinct
beings and that even though they seem to be working against God that they are not
in fact working in unison, they are working separately because their agendas are not
the same.
During the rebellion of Lucifer, the Holy Bible states that one-third of the angels were
cast out of Heaven. I theorize that some of these angels (can not give you a number
figure or percentage now) rebelled because they were not in agreement with the
decisions of God or the “Gods” (Elohim: Council of God or Council of the Elders) but
that they were NOT rebelling WITH Lucifer either. These “good angels that
rebelled” were also cast out of Heaven but they did not make an alliance with
Lucifer, in fact, they remained NEUTRAL and some of them went on to become the
good “guardian angels” of humanity.
I understand that these are some hard pills to swollow but I present in these two
booklets cross-references with sacred ancient texts and the great human tool of
reasoning.
In 1981, Samuel Noah Kramer, the noted Assyriologist and an expert in Sumerian
history, published History Begins at Sumer: Thirty-Nine "Firsts" in Recorded History
in which Kramer claims that the Sumer civilization had the first system of law, the first
educational system, the first tax cut, the first system of writing developing the cuneiform
tablets which allowed laws and literature to be recorded for the first time. Kramer is not
without his critics.
Olaf Hage believes that there existed high civilizations with many technological
advanced things before Sumer; indeed, he theorizes that the possibilities of pre- Adam
worlds on Earth.
And who were these pre-Adam beings; human beings, fallen angels or a combination of
both?
The great enigma has been this foggy, ambiguous and mysterious phase of history we
call pre-history; that is the time in history were there were not any written records
available or writing did not exist in a particular culture.
This article focuses on the opinions of Olaf Hage, Dr. David Jacobs, Dr. Steven Greer,
Chuck Missler and Alfred Weber.
Olaf Hage is a legend! His knowledge of world history, theology and philosophy are
truly incredible. I agree 100% percent with his opinions concering the aliens; that they do
not appear to be here to help at all based on their actions.
Dr. David Jacobs is very concerned about then activities of the aliens here on Earth and
he warns us about their hidden agenda and it is not favorable to us. I basically agree
with his thesis and I highly recommend you give his views a great consideration. He is
extremely intelligent, sincere, and a very humable man.
Dr. Steven Greer is very dubious on my meter of believing his thesis; he believes that
the aliens are here to help humanity. I disagree with Dr. Greer, nonetheless, his points
are interesting and worth a thoughtful consideration.
Chuck Missler believes that these aliens may have something to do with the “fallen
angels” of the past; he warms of their dangers and gives us a detailed Biblical references
concerning this topic. I generally agree with most of his thesis and I strongly recommend
his MP3 lectures many which you may downloaded for free; just do a search of his name
on the Internet.
Alfred Lambremont Webre believes that Earth is “isolated because it is under

intentional quarantine by a structured, rational Universe society,” because human
beings have not matured to the level where they can be trusted communicating with
other beings of outer
space; until humans learn to control and end their violent nature this quarantine will not
be lifted. I have not really decided my opinion concerning Weber’s main thesis, but, I
highly recommend his interviews and a thoughtful consideration of his insights. He is
truly a scholar and a gentleman the way he conducts himself.
The Perspective of Olaf Hage:

Olaf Hage
Olaf Hage
Antiquarian investigator Olaf Hage has been involved in print, audio and video
publishing for some 35 years. In addition to his research into religion and history, he
was formerly a working journalist and a technical writer in the fields of government
regulation & energy economics.
PROFESSIONAL WRITING BACKGROUND Mr. Hage authored Affirmative-Action

fulfilment notices for national retail chains having thousands of stores, in compliance
with the 1964 and 1965 Civil Rights Acts. He helped write "The Care-Labeling Guidebook"
which was incorporated into the federal Care-Labeling Act of 1969. He was personally
responsible for rewiting the proposed labeling texts in the Guidebook and reduced the
wording on all textile and clothing care-labels to a minimum.
Mr. Hage attended the nation's initial video-publishing conventions in 1970 and 71,
while working as a film and television writer. His five-part series on "Man's Search For
Extra-Terrestail Life" was scheduled to be the first PBS exploration of UFO's until
President Nixon's attack on public funding of PBS forced it to be cancelled. It was the
first series ever jointly-approved by both the Public Affairs and Cultural Affairs
divisions of PBS, and was co-developed by film-maker Jonathan Bernstein.
THEOLOGICAL STUDIES AND BACKGROUND

Mr. Hage studied religion, philosophy and literature at Middlebury College, and has
done course-work in Biblical and Systematic Theology through Emmanuel College. His
college study included Formal Ethics, Latin and Physics. He has post-college credit in
Adult Learning Techiniques and Neuro-Linguistics.
He has studied most of the primary sources of the Western religious tradition. Raised in
the Roman Catholic Church, he had once considered entering the priesthood to become
a theologian. He is now devoting his attention to writing a multi-volume examination of
basic issues in Biblical and Christian history. He also arranges telephone conferences for
the Independent Research Network's investigations into controversial Biblical topics.
Mr. Hage has taught courses and given seminars on several subjects, including 'Is
Creationism Christian?' and 'The Origins of Myth & Legend.' He has produced four videos,
dozens of audio tapes, and numerous printed reports. Mr. Hage's new book, "The Secret
History of The Bible," was published in two volumes in the fall of 2001. In 2003, the next
book in the series--"Paradise Found"--will be ready for publication.
(information taken from the website thetimequest.com)
The following is an opinion given by Olaf Hage during an interview on the Byte Show;
the compete interview may be heard and down for free at: www.thebyteshow.com.
“It is really, really hard to produce living creatures who can build spaceships and we
have not yet done it. We have only gotten to the moon and that’s it. We have sent crafts
to Mars and to the end of the solar system where at least past Pluto…”
“…this crap about these aliens being so advanced is nonsense. They take your animal
and they cut it open, drain its blood and toss in a field somewhere like a piece of garbage
and say here’s a piece of meat for you to eat and we’ll take the eyeballs and the uterus
and so forth because we think those are delicacies. That didn’t sound to civilized to me.
We know that they don’t use anesthesia. Every single abduction I’ve heard of where
there is any kind of so called medical procedure done, no anesthesia no attempt at
killing pain. None, yeah there’re really advanced. We wouldn’t do that to a dog. We
wouldn’t do that to a rat we were studying. We wouldn’t do that to any animal. Up here
were I live we have people protesting the way lobsters are treated. They think its
inhumane to toss a live lobster into boiling water. It properly is I don’t known, I’ve never
been a lobster. I don’t want to be a lobster. But you see the point here we worry about
the lobster to put into the pot to cook it. We had scandal here yesterday about a chicken
place that makes eggs, an egg farm There was a video that was sneaked out showing a
guy spinning the neck of a chicken to kill it, which a lot of people have never seen that
and then he tosses into the garbage. We don’t know why, I’m not saying that is not cruel
or whatever but my point is people got angry and upset about saying ‘look what he’s
doing to the chicken, that poor chicken,’ of course we eat chickens every day, we eat
eggs which are little baby chickens which are in the womb sort of speak. And we don’t
think much of it of course are decedents of dinosaurs and if we think of it that way
maybe we would feel so bad.”
“We have a thousand times the compassion of these aliens. I think that if these are not
human (or a human like species) if they are not from our planet if they are not part of
our spices in a past age that had gotten off of Earth than they are the most cold-blooded
cruel SOBs I have ever heard of. The things that they are described as doing are
completely heartless. If you think those people are advanced or entities or whatever you
want to call them, if you think that’s advanced you need your head examined. That is
not advanced. That’s barbaric. It’s primitive. That doesn’t mean that we don’t have
barbaric people on this planet. There are people who go into buildings and start
shooting everybody and so forth, those are usually people driven to there wits end by
something. But the truth is that these reports of aliens systematically abducting people
and mutilating animals leaving there blood drained blood carcasses in the field, that
does not to me indicate a high civilization. If we were going to another planet we
wouldn’t behave that way.”
“We wouldn’t do that, we might gather specimens but we would take care those
specimens we would be very careful we wouldn’t waste them. Look at the way we
treated moon rocks and they’re dead. We treat them as if they were made out of gold,
actually they are more valuable than gold. We are extremely careful about things we
worry about how we treat honey bees, we are concerned about lobsters. About any life
form if its being mistreated, I don’t see that kind of compassion any where else among
these so called alien beings. They say that there are 57 varieties of them, well show me
that kind one, I want to see the one with compassion, show me that one. Let’s see the one
who doesn’t abduct people out of a nice warm bed in the middle of the night by
paralyzing them with fear. I want to see that one. I want to see the one that knocks on
your front door and says, excess me I’m from the planet Mongo and I’d like to have a
conversation. I want to see that one. I don’t want to see the one that just grabs you out of
your bed. Show me the one that doesn’t stop your car in the middle of the road, turn off
the engine and abducts from your automobile in the middle of the night as you are
driving home. Show me the one that doesn’t do that.”

“I want to see a friendly alien that doesn’t treat people like garbage. And then I might
consider the possibility that they may be on a par with us, but not advanced. So when I
hear these alien stories and I look at the reports of the UFOs and so forth, there are
actually things in the sky that are not normal. Things moving around like an aircraft
shouldn’t do or can’t do, so far as we know. At least the aircrafts we are told about. You
know, as far as I can tell these visitors either they started here (on Earth) and they have
been occupying nearby planets or star systems, or the planets around them, and
therefore that this is the fountain head of life in our galaxy. Or if these are truly alien
beings who have no connection with us, and they somehow stumbled us, they seem to
have so little compassion that they don’t seem to be to me very morally or ethically
advanced. And therefore when we see them take a carcass, they take one eyeball and
they take out the sexual organs, they drain all the blood out and so forth, I have to ask
myself ‘what is it that they are really doing?’ They didn’t pay for that animal, they didn’t
ask permission to take it, they didn’t give it any anesthesia, we have abduction stories
we people actually see them take the animal away, by the way, for those who think it is
being done by the government, they’ve seen the aliens doing it.:
“As far as I can tell that is not an advanced spices.”
“They are cruel, they are insensitive, they don’t care what pain they’re inflicting, they
don’t care who they hurt, they don’t care how many they hurt, they don’t care if they kill
things, there are human bodies that have turned up in fields too, but we always explain
those away, there are a lot of dead bodies out there that belong to people. There are alien
abduction stories where people have seen mats of human body parts with aliens sucking
up the nutrients, now that doesn’t sound like people who you would like to have over
for dinner, because they would think that you are inviting them to come and eat you.”
“Look there are people who think that they aliens are coming to help us, let me tell you
something, are oceans have (inaudible) fish, we have seen UFOs going in and out of the
ocean repeatedly for a long time, there are sightings going back many decades, even in
the 19th century, if you have craft that is familiar with what is going on in the sea, I mean
they go down there and see what condition it is, and they are doing all this wonderful
scientific work and they are here to save us from our environmental degradation, OK,
well if that is true, OK, we know because I saw the scientific data on this, I saw the
article on this, we know that if we put iron sulfate into the water that it would
regenerate the sea life and within a few weeks it would be teaming with fish, we know
how to regenerate the ocean with something that simple, OK, we are not doing it, we
would regulate fishermen out of existence, we would rather star trade wars with the

Japanese, the Russians, the Norwegians over fishing rights, but are not going to salt the
seas with the same principle of feeding fish like we do in a fish tank, because we are
afraid of disturbing the eco-system it violates the rights of the environment, it disturbs
nature, OK, but the aliens don’t have our environmental laws to worry about, as they
obviously don’t care about our laws, last time I heard kidnapping and abducting people
and performing sexual practices and medical experiments on them is legal.”
“You and I do what the aliens are doing we go to prison for the rest of our lives. But the
aliens don’t have any restrictions about fiddling with the environment, they can out iron
sulfate in the oceans and regenerate the fish, if they are here to save us, if they’re here to
help us, they could do that. They are not doing it. They’re not doing it, our government
is not doing it, the industry isn’t doing it for whatever reason.”
“I think that the fix is in, I don’t think that they want us to survive, I think that there is a
desire to get rid of us, I think what the aliens are really telling our government, the
powers that be, would probably be more alone the lines of ‘oh gee your population is too
large, you need to cut it back, if you don’t cut it back we’ll cut it back for you, I think that
that is what the aliens are trying to do to help us, if that is what they are. I don’t think
that they are here to be our buddies. I think that they are here because they want to do
us harm. I don’t see any evidence at all of them helping us. Where’s the help.”
“They could show us the technology that they use to power their craft. Now supposedly
they did show the government but I guess there must have been a little clause in the
contract because it says don’t tell anybody else. You can use it to create weapons to kill
other human beings, but you can’t give that technology to the public so that they don’t
have to pay high oil prices. That’s the alien message, I’m sorry that doesn’t sound like
help either.”
“Show me the signs that they are here to help us. Show me what they’ve done. They
have technology, there are apparently an awful lot of them flying around, let’s see what
they’ve done to help us. The only message that they seem to be delivering is that they
want our population reduced not saved, they don’t seem to be here to save us, I think
they are here to kill us. I don’t think they want us to survive.”
The Perspective of Dr. David Jacobs:

Dr. David Jacobs
Dr. David Jacobs
Dr. David M. Jacobs is an associate professor of History at Temple University in

Philadelphia specializing in twentieth century American history and culture. He's been a
UFO researcher for 45 years. In 1973, he completed his doctoral dissertation in field of
intellectual history at the University of Wisconsin--Madison on the controversy over
unidentified flying objects in America. This was only the second Ph.D. degree granted
involving a UFO-related theme.
In Dr. David M. Jacobs’ book, The Threat, published in 1998, presented some very
provocative ideas about the alien abduction program and what the motives behind it
might be. He believes that there is a systematic program in place and administered by
these “aliens” mixing the alien DNA with the human DNA via artificial insemination
and embryo implanting in order to create a new hybrid race. He does not believe that
they are here to help or save humanity that their real agenda is a real threat to humanity.
The following quotes were taken from a lecture by Dr. David M. Jacobs from a video clip entitled,
Dr. David Jacobs - MUFON-LA and located at:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=P84XdgMoIDE&feature=related
“We know that women say routinely that eggs are extracted from them, that this is
something common, its common for every women who has ovaries in tact, we don’t see
a lot of exceptions to that, I’m sure that there are exceptions to that, but it’s extremely
common, that are harvesting eggs… They also take sperm samples.”
“It appears that a hybrid embryo is planted and then removed from the women
abductees.”

The following quotes were taken from a lecture by Dr. David M. Jacobs from a video clip entitled,
UFOs - Watch the Skies - Alien Agenda located at:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hc37Zf1oyU&feature=related
“There has never been a phenomenon like this, this is completely unprecedented. This
was not an experience, this was not an experiment, they weren’t trying to figure out
what makes us tick, the evidence suggests that this was a program, there is a reason for
this program to be put in place the evidence clearly points to…”
“People were having eggs taken, they were having sperm taken, people report that they
were having embryos injected into them, and sometimes retrieved from them.”
“Everything that we are describing is technological superior, that is not the problem, the
problem is that is neurological superior as well, they can control us neurologically and
they can do from a distance, that makes them superior and the question is how do you
stop a superior species from integrating from doing what they want to do? I don’t know
the answer to that, if it was a matter of shooting bullets at them it would be no problem,
but the problems are ever more difficult than you can ever imagine and this will never
be accepted as a reality until it is real and then it is too late. I am very, very not
optimistic shall we say about the US I fear for the future of my children both of whom
are in their twenties, and I think that they are not going to have a future the way I
thought that they would, I’m pessimistic about, I fear for the future.”
The Perspective of Dr. Steven Greer:
Dr. Steven Greer
Who is Dr. Steven Greer?

Dr. Greer is a lifetime member of Alpha Omega Alpha, the nation's most prestigious
medical honor society. Dr. Greer is an emergency physician and former chairman of the
Department of Emergency Medicine at Caldwell Memorial Hospital in North Carolina.
On May 9, 2001, Dr. Greer presided over The Disclosure Project Press Conference from the
National Press Club in Washington, DC. Over 20 military, government, intelligence, and
corporate witnesses presented compelling testimony regarding the existence of
advanced energy and propulsion technologies sequestered in classified government
black operations projects. Over 1 billion people heard of the press conference through
webcast and subsequent media coverage on BBC, CNN, CNN worldwide, Voice of
America, Pravda, Chinese media, and media outlets throughout Latin America. The
webcast had 250,000 people waiting on line -- the largest webcast in the history of the
National Press Club.
(information taken from the website www.bibliotecapleyades.net)
In a nutshell Dr. Greer believes that these little aliens are here on Earth to help mankind.
I do not agree with this opinion. The reports from countless of people of what these
aliens are supposedly doing to people during the abductions do not sound good to say
the least.
Dr. Greer’s official website is: www.disclosureproject.org
Below is the introduction and complete verbatim incredible interview conducted

by the wonderful team of Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan from projectcamelot.org.
Dr. Steven Greer : The Unknown Agenda

Barcelona, Spain, July 2009
--- The fact that you and I are still breathing the free air of Earth is abundant testimony
to the fact that these civilizations are not hostile.
Dr Steven Greer talking to Art Bell

8 August 2004
Dr Steven Greer of the Disclosure Project is almost too well-known in the UFO research
community to require an introduction. His ground-breaking Press Conference, in
Washington in May 2001, was one of a number of influential factors which inspired us to
found Project Camelot five years later. Our intention was to support his initiative and
add further momentum, and information, to the disclosure moment at a grass-roots
level.
Yet, all was not well. Whenever a correspondent wrote to Steven Greer asking him about
Project Camelot, they received a standard letter back from his office stating that Project
Camelot was disinformation. And despite being extremely accessible on the UFO
Conference circuit over the last three years, we had never once had the chance to meet or
speak with him.
Since we were all attending the Barcelona Exopolitics Summit in July 2009, we were
looking forward, at last, to the opportunity to talk. More than one person in his
entourage was also supportive of our meeting, as they themselves had been following
Camelot's work for long enough to know that our intentions were honorable.
However, Steven Greer ignored us, and declined to appear at the pre-conference panel
discussion which we had been specifically invited to Barcelona to moderate.
Disappointed, we attended his main conference presentation and heard him state
explicitly (as he has done on many public occasions) that all the ET visitors were
friendly.
In response to this, we made a statement on the 'What's New' section of our site, making
clear our disagreement and that this unilateral position was, in our informed opinion,
dangerous and premature. We had only weeks previously been explicitly told by Dr
Pete Peterson that most ETs were friendly, but some were not, and that was the main
reason why he continued to do work for the US Government. We spent two full days
talking with Dr Peterson on this and other topics: what he revealed was compelling to
us, and rang true. Click here for a four-minute extract of Dr Peterson's testimony to us
on this subject - which could not be more important.
After we had stated our opinion on our site, we were approached by Dr Greer's PR
representative and were informed that he would do an interview. What you see here
was hastily arranged, for which we apologize. We needed to catch the moment while it
was available.

What you will see in this 70 minute video is an impassioned, articulate and intelligent
discussion which has as its central theme the most important question that may be faced
by the human race: Can we trust ALL the visitors to Planet Earth? To risk a simplistic
paraphrase, Dr Greer says Yes, and Project Camelot says Not Necessarily.
The debate is well-informed and vigorous. We thank Dr Greer for appearing with us,
and he gave a good account of himself. And so did we. Enjoy... and we would like to
emphasize again what we stated clearly in the video: that none of us can know with
certainty the agendas of all the many visiting ET races, and to presume that one does
may be irresponsible and premature. Informed by what we know, we stand by that view
- and we look forward to further discussion as more information continues to become
available.
Dr. Geer and Kerry Cassidy of Project Camelot in an interesting exchange
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW by Project Camelot

projectcamelot.org/lang/en/steven_greer_interview_transcript_en.html
Steven Greer : The Unknown Agenda

Barcelona, Spain, July 2009
Kerry Cassidy (KC): Hi. I’m Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot.
Bill Ryan (BR): And I’m Bill Ryan. This is Sunday, the 26th of July, 2009. Have I got that
right? I personally want to say that I’m delighted to be here with Steven Greer.
Of all the people who we get emails asking us to interview, you are number one on quite
a long list. The reason for that is that people see Project Camelot as continuing to kick
the ball that was kicked off by the Disclosure Project back in 1993. You started
something that we’re doing our best to support you with in terms of bringing the truth
to the world.
Steven Greer (SG): Oh, good. Thank you.
BR: We want to thank you for that.
SG: Oh, you’re welcome. Thank you.
KC: So we have some questions for you, but they might not be the most comfortable of
questions.
SG: Oh, I can take any questions.
KC: Okay. And we’ve heard that you’re not a wilting violet, as they call it, or whatever.
So what we’re wondering here... because we have different philosophies, I think, and
different approaches, and I think that’s really interesting.
I know that we started out, maybe, at the same place in terms of we’re taking witness
testimony – and certainly you did – and that tactic was very effective and has stimulated
us to go down the road we went on. We’ve been doing this for a little over three years
now.
I just wondered if you have a philosophy that you feel like, or a trajectory, that brought
you from witness testimony to free energy, and if you could talk a little bit about that
road.
SG: Well, obviously the Disclosure Project involves many elements. One is the disclosure
of the fact that we’re not alone.
The other is that there are highly classified projects that have been run illegally for about
50, over 50 years, dealing with this.
And, number three, you cannot say that this has been kept secret and it’s real without
giving la raison d’etre... Why would something like this be kept secret?
Now, in the early days it could be argued that, well, there were religious issues, that the

people would panic at the idea that there was life in outer space... or that there were
theological objections. And in fact these still exist.
I had a junior Jet Propulsion Laboratory scientist say the reason that some of the
information about the ancient structures on Mars has been withheld is that it would
“collapse the foundations of all orthodox religions in the world.” To which I said: Great!
I mean, it’s time people who think the world’s 6,000 years old and we rode dinosaurs
bareback need to get a life.
BR: We agree with that.
KC: [laughs] Yeah.
SG: Okay, so that was one area. But the largest one... and this is when everything went
deep black in October 1954 – we know it to the day – was because they had actually
figured out, and mastered, the electromagnetic / gravitic propulsion systems. So that
was 55 years ago.
KC: Right.
SG: Okay, so 55 years ago there was the ability to master those technologies. And
obviously, when the Rockefeller Commission, that reorganized the Department of
Defense and the CIA, was put together by Eisenhower, what they did was reorganize it
in a way so that these sort of issues were handled under work for other programs, and
aerospace contracting entities, and high-tech entities, and really took it out of the
oversight of the president and the Congress.
And that’s when it all “went south” and has been that way ever since.
The reason for that is because, if you acknowledge that UFOs are real, the very next
thing that any bona fide scientist or policy analyst is going to ask is: Well, how in the hell
are they getting from one star system to another?
And when that question is asked, it will be answered, because we have people on our
team who can answer it in great detail.
BR: Yeah, they’re not going around in rocket ships.
SG: And when that is answered – I’m trying to finish one thought here – when that is
answered, you’re going to then see the end of oil, gas, coal, nuclear power, all of it.
There’s a five-hundred-trillion-dollar asset base that they’re sitting on and protecting.

Two or three hundred people in corporations in the world control half the wealth of the
planet – the net worth of the planet.
So the secrecy has to be understood within a larger macro-economic geopolitical crisis

where there’s been accretion of enormous power in the hands of relatively few people,
and that this has gotten worse, not better, since the gilded age of the Industrial
Revolution’s dawn. It’s actually worse now than it was in the time of Cornelius
Vanderbilt and the Rockefellers. It’s worse now than it was.
KC: Yeah, I definitely understand.
SG: So that, I think is… And so our focus, as we’ve learned more and more about the
reasons for the secrecy and the kinds of technologies that are extant, is that we have
concluded that it’s very, very important to be able to bring out those energy systems – at
least what I call the “Level One” systems, the ones that you could put on a box over
here... something about the size of a coffee table. And I’ve seen these.
Now, of course, seeing them and being able to bring them out and having people release
them is another matter. But I’ve seen them.
They extract energy from... some would call the zero-point energy field, some would call
it the quantum vacuum flux field... whatever you want to call it. But in the fabric of
space-time around us there’s enormous electromagnetic potential that can be touched
into and brought out, and that is one of the practical implications of disclosure.
I mean, there are many implications. One is informational, one is diplomatic contact, and
one is the issue of the science and technology which could transform the planet, get us
off of oil, stop global warming, end the crisis of the have and the have-nots and the
poverty in the world. So that, I think, resonates with many people.
There are a certain number of people who are interested in extraterrestrial life. There’s a
much larger number of people who are concerned about the environment, energy crisis,
the poverty in the world, etcetera.
KC: So, is what you’re saying that what you were propelled towards is the latter?
Because I know your emphasis is now really free energy, or it seems to be.
SG: No it isn’t. No, no, no.

KC: Well, it seems to be. Maybe I misunderstand…
SG: You need to not mis-state my priorities. Let me be very clear on this. We have three
programs going on with equal bore – equal bore – simultaneously.
KC: Oh, really? Okay.
SG: Number one is CSETI, the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, which
is an interplanetary, interstellar, diplomatic initiative. That was the founding entity and
it’s still the primary focus.
The second is the Disclosure Project. That started as Project Starlight when I was briefing
the CIA director and the Clintons and all these people.
It then evolved into the Disclosure Project when Clinton said: I won’t do it because I’ll end
up like Jack Kennedy. And the Congress people that we met with said: This is too big a fish
for us to reel in. We’re not going to do it.
So it kind of devolved onto our shoulders. Then that’s why we did in 2001 – to correct
the date – the National Press Conference event and the Disclosure Project. And that still
continues. We still continue to do that.
Then the third is the OrionProject.org and the focus on trying to identify people who
have an understanding of these new physics and sciences so we can bring out some of
the practical applications.
KC: Okay.
SG: So those three things are going on with equal bore. We have teams of people
working on all of them.
KC: Oh, I see.
SG: I’m sort of the coordinator or head of those three projects, but they’re interrelated.
They’re actually three sides of a pyramid or whatever... not pyramid, but three sides of
one entity and three facets that are interlocking.
KC: I had a misunderstanding. Part of the reason is because…

SG: No, that’s good that you brought it up because a lot of people do have that
misunderstanding.
KC: …we get a newsletter. The Orion Project, or however you refer to it, newsletter
comes into my inbox and it is, you know, exclusively talking about more of the free
energy side of things. So it’s a misconception, you know, but is out there, as you say. It’s
very interesting to hear that you’re continuing these other…
SG: Yeah. And people have to understand... You know people say: What about disclosure?
I say: We have the testimony of 110 of these military witnesses out there. We have DVDs and
other materials and books out there with thousands of pages of government documents.
We have put this positive proof and testimony out there and that then has launched a
worldwide disclosure movement in many, many countries, as you know.
KC: Mm-hm.
SG: At this point, when we started that endeavor, it was 30 or 40 percent of the public
thought these were real. Now it’s 80 percent. Some countries – in polls that they did
recently here in Spain it was 90-some percent – think that we’re not alone and ETs are
real.
So we feel that the big over-arching strategy of establishing that fact happened. What
has not happened is, at least within America, an official acknowledgement of the issue
and the ending of the secrecy. But this is due to a complex problem that I work on
behind the scenes, for that’s where the problem is.
The problem is within Majestic. And the problem is within conventional political leaders
and the military-industrial complex.
When we started this effort I had about a third of this Majestic group who thought what
we were doing was something they would support. Now it’s 70 percent. Now the other
30 percent would probably like to see me dead.
But the point is – and they’re vicious – there are 70 percent of them now who are really
lining up. This includes the elements within Majestic that are in Europe, that are within
the Masonics, that are within a lot of secret organizations that are fed up with the secrecy

and know that we’re at the end of how far we can take this silly game of secrecy and
secret power.
So a lot of the work that I’ve been doing, and it has directly to do with disclosure, has to
do with trying to fix that highly dysfunctional dynamic which cannot be ignored.
You cannot pretend like those lions aren’t out lurking in the jungle. You don’t have to
capitulate, but you have to try to educate them and give them another vision.
One thing I say to the people is that people who are addicted to secret power, it’s...
Kissinger once said power is the ultimate aphrodisiac... that then the secret power would
be that on steroids and Viagra and every other thing – quite blunt.
And so, one of the real issues becomes what can you… You can’t just take away. You
have to give.
So my job is to try to also give some of these leaders, both conventional leaders and
people who are within these classified projects, a new vision – a vision that can guide the
world out of its current direction, into a path of peace, safety, justice, free energy, and a
whole new transformation of our civilization on this planet – very quickly.
Because, you know, we’ve run out of time, in my opinion. I don’t think we have another
50 or 100 years to fritter away.
KC: As it happens, neither do they. I mean, what we get from our secret witnesses and
from people that are exposed to the Illuminati philosophy constantly is that our time is
running out, in terms of…
Like, we just heard from a secret witness – and I’m running this by you to hear whether
this coincides with what you know – that there is around ten months left of food before
it runs out on the planet, and that there’s another three to four years’ worth of oxygen.
I mean, I don’t know if this is down to the minute or not, or whether it's more vague
than it was stated to me, or more... You know, where you would fall in that category, in
terms of how you understand that.
SG: Let me say that there are a lot of… My father-in-law used to famously say: Paper does
not refuse ink; and in the modern era, that the computer screen does not refuse digits. So,
in other words, anything can be said.

Now, one has to… My own assessment of that is that there are competing interests that
try to use whatever axis that they have to provide a certain paradigm that is highly
eschatological. The eschatological axis within Majestic is a very powerful one.
I remember meeting with a member of a Royal Family in Europe back in the ‘90s and his
entire purpose in providing funding to abduction researchers was to – and I know who
they are, all the mainline ones – was so that they would put the information out to the
public so that the public would learn to hate enough of the aliens so that we could have
an interplanetary war, which would be the Armageddon that would precipitate the
return of Christ.
KC: Yeah, we’ve heard this.
SG: Now, this was a very specific Opus Dei perspective and that is really what is
driving… It’s like Ahmadinejad in Iran saying that, well, it’d be okay if we went to
nuclear war with Israel because that would force this Twelfth Imam, which is their
return of their Christ, to return to Iran.
KC: Sure.
SG: So this eschatological end the world perspective is…
KC: So you’re actually saying... Just to cut to the chase here, you’re saying that this
man’s testimony, to what I just said about ten months and four years, is basically him
being programmed by the controllers, in a certain sense.
SG: Well, it’s “through a glass dimly”. In other words, yes, we’re headed for a crisis. Yes,
we’re headed towards a hiatus, can I call it that, in the situation.
But what they don’t understand is that it is the end of one era and the opening of
another. It isn’t the end of life on Earth. It is not going to be the end of the human race on
this planet. These are all…
KC: We would certainly agree with that.
SG: This is… And so the conflation of certain misinterpreted spiritual traditions,
whether it’s from the Book of Revelations or elsewhere, or the Mayan calendar and 2012,
has created this sort of eschatological juggernaut – which is very Scientological, it’s very

Majestic, and it has a lot of underpinnings within the philosophy of why the secrecy has
continued on like it is.
This is one major axis of why the secrecy is continuing. The other one is the
technological and money and control, the macro-economic control of the planet.
My point to people is that... For example, now I’ve been doing this for 19 years and I’ve
had… You know, if you brief the CIA director you’ve had some good access, and that’s
16 years ago. My family put the first man on the Moon. So I have had access to people
within classified projects for a lot of my life.
For example – and I know that we’re going to probably disagree on this because I saw
what you wrote on your blog after my talk last night – there are people who have been
exposed to what they wanted them to see. This Bob Lazar was one that they then allow
to speak out.
Now the question is: What’s the agenda behind that allowing?
I have had more than a dozen people who have worked in facilities in Dulce and in Pine
Gap in Australia and other places where they have actually been growing the Gray and
Reptilian species that people think are ETs.
And the people who’ve been in the projects think they’re working alongside an alien –
and they’re not. They’re absolutely what are called nano-bio-machines and they are
Programmed Life Forms. There is no question that that is going on.
So the larger question becomes: If someone comes up to you with just an empirical
observation, what is it they’re seeing?
Now I’m going to cross over into something even more controversial.
We have some people at Lockheed, and another program... I can’t say where it is but it’s
in the South in an underground facility, and its chief scientist is someone I knew very
well.
They have developed electromagnetic systems where they can put someone into a state,
and they can go into – and this gets into a cosmological, complex discussion now – a
lower astral, or denser astral field. And some would call this demonic.
They can actually see beings and creatures there and bring them in three-dimensional

and materialize in flesh and blood – through these electronics.
So a lot of these things that people are seeing have nothing to do with interstellar and
extraterrestrial.
So when I’m talking... when I talk about the interstellar civilizations that also have
transdimensional capability... You can’t go through interstellar space at the speed of
light or less.
KC: Right.
SG: But there’s a cosmological indigestion happening within ufology and disclosure that
I find disturbing because people are conflating interdimensional with extraterrestrial with
PLFs, that are Programmed Life Forms, man-made.
All of this is being put together as if it is one thing, and it isn’t. It’s, unfortunately, much
more complex than this. This is exactly why…
BR: We would agree with that as well. It’s very complex.
SG: This is why, when Martin Cannon, back in the late ‘80s, put together a
2000-footnoted paper and collection proving the military-human involvement with
abductions, and that the creatures they were using were not ET... It wasn’t some alliance
between Majestic and these ETs. The ETs wouldn’t bother with ’em.
Now, I say they’re aliens, but they’re not extraterrestrials. Okay? And now we’re getting
into… and people say I’m being cheeky. I’m not, because these are very bizarre
creatures. Some of them even… I’m going to take it one step further.
You’ve all heard of Roswell, and you’ve all heard that there have been a number of
electromagnetic weapons systems that have targeted and knocked down interstellar
vehicles... not at a great kill rate in the early days. – I hate to use the words kill rate. It’s
terrible. – But it’s become more and more efficient since SDI, and since the ‘90s,
particularly in the last five or ten years.
What happened, however, in the early days... They had enough crude stuff. And of
course, we had things like the Philadelphia Experiment – which did not happen in
Philadelphia. It happened in Rhode Island. That was just a cover story... that’s another
whole discussion.
But that was in the ‘40s. So there were very advanced electronics that were already being

used. And by the time the extraterrestrials showed up when we were detonating nuclear
weapons, we were able, at Roswell, at our only nuclear bomb squadron, to have one of
these weapons and a radar dome, or configuration, that caused the two of those to crash.
KC: Right.
SG: There were bodies on that. Some of them were living, and I have a witness who
actually handled one of the living ones as late as 1950-’51 here in Virginia not far from
where I live, at Camp Pearry [spells] P-E-A-R-R-Y, a very top secret facility.
[Ed note: Greer means Camp Peary, Army experimental training center near
Williamsburg]
Now, what’s interesting is that that genetic material from some of those bodies has
subsequently been cloned, from a number of different species.
Now, you know, I have a daughter with a Ph.D. in neuroscience and genetics from the
most prestigious university in the world.
What I’ve done is, I’ve looked at this, sort of... What the current state of neuroscience is
in the non-classified world is that if they wished to, they could take cells from a human
and clone them. Absolutely.
BR: Sure.
KC: Yes.
SG: Now, imagine what has existed within the classified world, because these were the
people who were the… These were the humans who were the spiritual descendants of
Mengele and the Nazis, Wernher von Braun and that whole cell.
KC: You’re talking about the scientists.
SG: The scientists who were brought into these classified projects, and who were at the
foundation of the CIA and the early space program. So the highly compartmented
programs that deal with this issue…
KC: Yeah.

SG: And this is the thing: Everyone talks about antigravity and this and that, but what
they forget are the enormous advances that have happened between the early ‘40s and
now in genetics and bioengineering and neuroscience.
Those have gone into application where they now have created these creatures that
people think: Oh, that’s an extraterrestrial. I say: It is NOT an extraterrestrial!
So the whole thing has deliberately become confused so that people will make an
assessment that there are the good aliens and the bad aliens.
And if we step into that “cowboys and Indians” mindset, they can then divide the
human race into another war footing that will fulfill the Majestic plan that was hatched
in the ‘50s, that will take us, as Douglas McArthur said in his last address to the
Congress, to interplanetary war, which is the World War III they want.
KC: Right.
SG: So most of retail ufology – I would say 90-plus percent of it – has embedded within
it this message and this information and these images for the purpose of Majestic. Now, I
think people do it completely innocently because…
KC: Right.
BR: I want to ask a direct question here because this is personal, and I haven’t said this
on camera before. So here we go. I’m an abductee, and I’m a mountaineer. I was
abducted out of my tent in December, 1981 in the Himalayas on the slopes of Makalu,
which is in Nepal on the border of Tibet. And that wasn’t done by the military.
This was done in December, in winter in the Himalayas. I was taken out of my tent,
floated over the glacier in the middle of the night and it was minus 40 degrees. This
wasn’t the military who were doing that. They couldn’t do that.
SG: I’m not saying all contact has been military. I’m being very specific. I’m saying that
there’s enough… Let’s look: If you have a nugget of gold and you dump a whole bunch
of fool’s gold on it…
BR: Sure.
SG: …and no one’s doing an assay. And the question becomes: What part of it is

extraterrestrial, what part of it is interdimensional…
KC: Exactly.
SG: …what part of it is manmade? And what part of it is some mixed-up, where people...?
And here I’ll make it a little more complicated. There are people who’ve had ET contact
and when these classified projects find out about it they will then target them for an
abduction so that their paradigm and their perception of this will become confused. This
is…
KC: Okay. I think what happens here... We are aware of this level that you’re talking
about. We’re aware of all these different dimensions because we’ve basically...
(“dimensions” – not dimensions, but “dimensions of this argument”) ... because we’ve
been exposed to these levels by different secret witnesses, okay?
But, and I think if we have a disagreement, what it is, is... I don’t know if it’s completely,
you know? It’s not an either/or question. It’s a how much? It’s a percentage, as you say.
It’s going to be: Is there, sometime, abductions that are ET-related that are real ET-related
– okay? – and handled by a certain group of ETs? Is there a MILAB element to it, and is
that maybe the largest portion? Highly probable. Okay?
But is it exclusively that there are only good ETs? I think that when you extrapolate that,
that’s where I have a problem.
SG: I think the problem is with the caricature of the…
KC: Because I think that that’s, philosophically, a problem of a limited way of looking at
reality.
SG: No, I think the problem is a Manichean view that has to divide entire species into
good and bad. This is precisely what Hitler did when he would say, you know, the Jews
are bad and they’re dirty and they’re this… I think we have to be extremely careful…
KC: I don’t think it’s necessary to do that quite so much as it is in terms of the overall… I
mean, were talking universes. Okay? We’re talking multiple species out there that go
beyond this solar system, certainly…
SG: Oh, I’m very aware of that.

KC: …and we’re talking about life in general, okay, so…
SG: But the point is that…
KC: I don’t think we can sit here and make a statement like what I heard you say on
stage yesterday, which was: There are no bad ETs. I mean, how absurd.
SG: No, I think you could say that there is no evidence that the planet has been invaded
by hostile – is the word I used – civilizations that have an intent…
KC: So far, to you; that you have not… In other words…
SG: You can’t prove a negative. This is axiomatic. What I can say…
KC: Well, then we have a problem. [laughs]
SG: You can’t prove a negative.
KC: In other words, that’s the point.
SG: No, no. But it is the point. You can’t prove a negative, but what you can do is go
with the evidence that you do have.
One of the sets of evidence we have through CSETI, which has gone around the world
and made contact all over the world with thousands of people... We have never had a
harmful event happen. We have never had anything resembling anything that has
frightened or harmed anyone on the contact team.
On the other hand, we have had members of our team that have been targeted with
these psychotronic-related military-type abduction events, including myself.
KC: Right. I agree.
SG: So, what I have to go with is the evidence that I have. I also know that there’s the
stage craft, to use an Institute for Strategic Studies document that I have, that talks about
the stage craft of abductions because of its psychological warfare value to the agenda of
an Us versus Them Manichean worldview that would redound to the benefit of the
military-industrial complex. So this is very circular.

I think that what I’m saying is one has to be very careful if you’re going to be involved
with disclosure and contact in saying: This group is bad, this group is good.
We’re good and we’re bad. And we’re slipping right back into the Israelis versus the
Palestinians, the Jews versus the Christians, the Muslims versus the whatever…
KC: Okay, but this is not where we’re going…
SG: But if you say that there are bad aliens that are working with a secret government,
then…
KC: The language is actually Service to Others versus Service to Self, and that, in itself, is
also a matter of degree. So it’s not really good. Anyone…
SG: But you can’t judge. See, here’s the problem.
KC: Well, none of us can. That’s my whole point here.
SG: Well, that’s my whole point!
KC: It’s a matter of degree.
SG: And I think before one starts going down the path of The sky is falling! and we start
unleashing this Manichean worldview of Here are the ones that are Service to Others and
here’s the ones that are selfish... I would say that there’s some enlightened self-interest
everywhere.
KC: Right.
SG: And let’s back this up just a little further. Let’s say that these civilizations…
KC: Especially by the invaders.
SG: By the who?
KC: [laughs] If there’s an invasion race, then enlightened self-interest is going to be the
predominant model by which they’re going to operate, right?
SG: And, you know, you’re entitled to that. I think you’re…

KC: I’m positing. All I’m doing here… Look, until it actually happens in black and
white…
SG: Look, where have they invaded? Who has been invaded? And here’s the…
KC: There is evidence. In other words, you can get evidence on both sides of the
question.
SG: Well, but to characterize it as an invasion... What if there is an interstellar group that
have different… Different ones of them have different functions. For example…
KC: Right.
SG: Okay, I’m going to take this a little further. There’s one group that has a very specific
function. You might call this the Noah’s Ark function, that this planet is under
tremendous environmental stress. We’re losing thousands of species and plants and
animals.
I have spoken with people about the landing in Provence, of this ET craft in a lavender
field, and there were these little ETs out picking lavender. It sounds hilarious. What
were they doing?
BR: Just like the movie, yeah.
SG: Absolutely happened and it left physical trace. Could there be a human genome
project that’s trying to protect the human genome and a genome project for Gaia, the
Earth?
There could be all kinds of things going on that are beyond our ability to say:
That’s happening by people who are selfish and invaders. And that’s happening by people who
are the good ones.
KC: Exactly. Yes.
SG: I think that that sort of dichotomy and dualism that I read on your blog is the exact
script that Majestic would want people to buy into to support interplanetary war. I think

that there is another…
KC: Yeah. I think that the paranoia over interplanetary war per se, and that scenario, is
laudable, okay. In a certain way we understand that you’re coming from a heartfelt
perspective when you talk about Let’s not get caught up in polarities. Okay?
But what we don’t want to do is analyze this scene, this scenario, and the realities that
are out there, and say we’ve come to definitive statement where we can say: There are
only good ETs.
Now, let me tell you why that’s dangerous as well, because what that does is leave
people, humans, and humanity possibly in general, in a vulnerable position. They are
then going around following ET like the Pied Piper down whatever road they’re taken.
SG: No. I’ve always said, and unfortunately you haven’t read my books and things,
but…
KC: Actually I have.
SG: Well, I have made it very clear that there are two things that are equally dangerous –
the deification of these visitors or the demonization of them.
KC: Exactly.
SG: Both are equally dangerous, and I’ve said this since the ‘90s.
KC: Then we’re in agreement. But what you said on stage was not that.
SG: I didn’t deify them and I didn’t demonize them. My point is that we’re living in a
universe together; we’re going to have to live together in that universe.
KC: Absolutely!
SG: The solutions are not going to be name-calling and We’re better than you are and Those
are in service to self and Those in service to others and this whole thing.
I think we have to look at this from a much larger picture, and that is not only Earth, but
the whole cosmos is going through a quantum moment.
KC: Right, that’s true.

SG: It is not just an Earth moment. It’s a universal moment…
KC: Okay.
SG: …the hallmark of which is universal peace, the hallmark of which is that. And so it
is also true...
KC: The ideal would be...
SG: ...that interstellar civilizations are not allowed to leave their biosphere until they
have become in agreement for peace. Now, and…
KC: That’s an assumption.
SG: This has been proven, because if these civilizations…
KC: No way. Nothing’s been proven on this planet to that degree of sophistication.
There’s no way…
SG: Well, if they were here and they were invading and they were hostile, they would
not have waited for us to have the kind of weapons we have today. They would have
absolutely shut this civilization down in 1945.
KC: On the contrary... I mean, we have to actually get into a whole socio-political look at
what it is to be an ET space-faring culture in search of planetoids or planets, and
building new environments, and then what you do with them.
In a sense, you can actually take the Earth as a microcosm and you can look at How did it
go when we took over different continents here…
SG: Yeah. But see, this is the whole problem…
KC: …and what was the model? Then we get to space and we also have to figure…
SG: This is a huge problem. You’re engaging in an anthropocentric projection onto

interstellar civilizations…
KC: As above, so below. In other words…

SG: Well, so in your belief. But I think that you’re completely involved in this.
KC: All I’m saying is that we’re part of the universe and you can’t eliminate... And
there’s no definitive decision on this part. You’re making absolute statements.
SG: Do you think our classified projects have traveled interstellar yet?
BR: Yes.
KC: Absolutely.
SG: They have not.
KC: We’ve got evidence that they have.
SG: Well, I’d love to see you prove it.
BR: We don’t have evidence but in May 2001 you said that they have superluminal
capability.
SG: Yes.
BR: What have we done? Gone to Pluto with superluminal ability? It takes five seconds.
SG: No, because they’re not allowed to use it. Now here’s something that… There is a
quarantine on this planet until we become peaceful. This is why, if you look at…
KC: There is a philosophy that there’s a quarantine.
SG: No. There is. If you look at even what Neil Armstrong said after…
KC: Why? Because an ET told you? I mean, really, let’s get down to it. We’re all in
communication with different races…
SG: Well, let’s get back to the cover-up with what Neil Armstrong was heard saying. It’s
in Timothy Good’s book, Above Top Secret. You can read it.
BR: Yep.

SG: And I’m sure you have. You’ve read it.
KC: A mind-controlled astronaut is what you’re talking about. You’re gonna give me
testimony from a mind-controlled astronaut.
SG: No, no.
BR: Let’s hear where this goes. I’m interested.
SG: He said that when... We were basically warned off the Moon, and that’s why we
didn’t continue to go.
KC: And I believe these warnings exist. There has been evidence that we’re warned off
Mars because certain craft have never made it there, have been shot down, have
disappeared, have had technical problems that haven’t been explained by NASA.
SG: Well, and one can put a xenophobic spin on that. Or one can say that perhaps there’s
a wiser cosmic order that says that until a civilization reaches a certain amount of civility
for the civilization, and peace, they are not allowed to travel amongst the stars; that the
entry ticket is peace. And I think that is the situation.
KC: Okay, I understand that’s your philosophy.
SG: No, it’s not my philosophy. It’s what the evidence… This is not how I started out.
This is what I have found to be true from many different witness testimonies and the
observation overall and accurate…
KC: But our witness testimony would contradict that. So what do you do with that?
SG: Well, fine, I’d like to speak to them.
KC: Yeah, absolutely, and maybe we’ll have to compare notes. You know, really, to be
honest with you, this is valuable, because what happens, for better or for worse, is we’re
both out there. We’re both investigating these questions and they are open questions.
Actually, the information has…
SG: They are. But I think it’s rather unhelpful that you go onto a blog and say that what

I’m saying and doing is sinister.
KC: But I said it was…
SG: I think that, you know, I have never said anything harmful about you.
KC: It’s insidious. The reason it’s insidious is because…
SG: Insidious and this and that.
KC: …it leaves the Earth vulnerable…
SG: And I think this is exactly the kind of thing, and I’m going to absolutely... You know,
you invited me to an interview.
KC: Sure.
SG: I’m going to provide an interview. If you want to over-talk everything I say, you can
over-talk what I say.
KC: You over-talk us.
SG: But I am telling you that… But I’m being interviewed. So the point is…
KC: [laughs] It’s mutual. See, you don’t know this and I’m sorry we didn’t have time to
tell you our philosophy of how we conduct an interview, but I did kind of warn you…
SG: You obviously want to have a debate.
KC: … that we have differences of opinions.
SG: We have differences of opinion, and that’s fine, but I think the most dangerous thing
we can do is with... See, everyone has partial information.
KC: Right.
SG: To start making sweeping judgments that are negative... And you can say: Well, it’s
not negative. We’re just saying that they’re in service to self versus service to others, and couch

it however you wish.
But if we go down that path, we’re already creating a new cosmological Us versus Them,
which is the absolute recapitulation of the mistake on Earth for the last 10,000 years. I
think we can do better than that. I think we have to learn to look at these things…
And let’s say that everything that your philosophy and how you’re viewing this is
correct. If it’s a hundred percent correct, I would still say the path of wisdom is
education…
KC: Absolutely.
SG: …elucidation, engagement peacefully, higher states of consciousness – all of this.
BR: Yep.
SG: I don’t think it consists in characterizations, name-calling, what have you. Now that
goes on on the diplomatic front and between nations on the Earth, and I think we have
to be very careful not to engage in that sort of anthropocentric projection of the current
state of duality of the human condition on these visitors. I think it may be much more
difficult to make those kinds of assessments.
But if we go down that path, what we’ll be doing is that we’ll be dragging the baggage
of the old era into this pivotal time, this embryonic time, where we’re trying to transition
to a new civilization – the hallmark of which will be universal peace.
I don’t think we’re going to be going into a period of time of competing planetary
systems having wars. I think that this is – all of that – is the Scientological view and it’s
many of the eschatologists’ view.
I think that actually we’re going to go through a quantum transformation that’s global
and interplanetary that will make this quite clear in the coming years, if not months.
I think that time is getting very short for how much more time we’re going to have
before there’s this large transformation.
And I think the other thing is to say... I would say to people: If there is a civilization that is
here for their own purely selfish interest, and have not a shred of altruism or concern for

humanity or Earth, those are the beings I would want to meet with first.
And I’ve said this for years, because you need a diplomatic initiative to North Korea and
Iran and China more than you do to Great Britain, if you’re an American, let’s say. So
this is…
KC: Absolutely, but you can’t be in denial of the potentiality…
SG: There’s no denial here. I’m not some sort of Pollyanna fool. And that
characterization of me being in denial... I’m not in denial about anything. I’m just saying
that...
KC: Well, I… Wait, wait, wait. You’re personalizing this in a way that it’s not personal.
In other words, what I said is I didn’t direct it at you. I said…
SG: Jan can give me what you wrote on the blog. I’ll show you what you wrote on the
blog.
KC: Excuse me. I said that what you said on stage was insidious. And it’s insidious
because what it does is leave, again, humanity… Look, let’s both agree here…
BR: It’s a real misdirect.
KC: We both love…
BR: It’s a real misdirect.
SG: [to Bill] [unclear]
BR: It’s a misdirect.
KC: We both love humanity. We’re both here to make sure that we make it through this
next era. Okay?
SG: Right.
KC: And we can say we have a common goal, in that sense.
SG: Absolutely.

KC: When I say it’s insidious, I’m not saying you personally are insidious. What I’m
saying is what you’re saying leads to an insidious state of affairs if people out there were
to become disarmed and completely vulnerable and allow, like I said, ET to take over
“the sovereignty” of the Earth and of humanity to develop…
SG: This is not at all… I never suggested that.
KC: … to develop on its own. But there are implications to what you’re saying when you
say: All ETs are good.
SG: Your implications about that.
KC: When we’re using the words good and bad... Let’s be honest, we’re using the words
good and bad because we have to use language and we’re just using it in a simplistic
way…
SG: Right.
KC: … to cover a very wide spectrum of what it means to be good, philosophically, and
what it means to be bad, philosophically. We’re not naïve, and we’re not looking at this
in a black and white way, so let’s not go there.
SG: We have to be very careful because that slips into that very quickly. That language
slips into that paradigm very, very quickly.
KC: Sure, and it could be misleading. I appreciate that.
SG: And I think it is misleading, but I think the other thing, that it’s also very dangerous.
I’m not at all suggesting that humans disarm. My whole message is about humans
empowering, not only in consciousness, but in organization and every other way.
BR: We agree.
SG: And moreover, you said that we need to be armed. Well, yeah. Armed with what? I
think that knowledge…
KC: That’s the other discussion. We can talk… That’s spiritual.

SG: It is spiritual, and this is the chief purpose of CSETI.
KC: Knowledge is to question constantly. What we’re not positing is answers here, so
much as Let’s keep exploring.
And at no point do we decide that “all ETs are good” because suddenly we have a
paradigm that says: You cannot leave the planet beyond a certain point unless you believe in
“peace” and unless you have obtained a certain level of civilization.
That means that you are there for good, all good, and therefore better than humanity.
There’s sort of an implication under there.
SG: And your alternative would be what? Conflict with the ones who aren’t good?
BR: No, that’s polarizing it in a way that we are not.
KC: It’s a model of universes, multi dimensions, that is more complex.
BR: You’re polarizing it.
SG: What’s your answer then?
BR: My answer…
SG: What’s your answer to these ones that are in service to self?
KC: It’s complex. It’s more complex.
SG: The ones that you see…
KC: There are no limits. Go ahead.
BR: Okay. My response to this is to agree with you that it’s a very complex situation and
there may be alien agendas that we are not able to understand. Just like the farmer can
understand what the farmer’s doing, but not what the veterinary surgeon is doing. You
know?

If you approach a wild animal because you want to give it some food, the wild animal’s
going to run away because it doesn’t trust the human.
SG: Right.
BR: There are all sorts of aspects to this that we may be very presumptuous in our ability
to understand. But my point is that it’s dangerous... And I’m not even saying that it’s a
deliberate misdirect, but I do believe it was...
Personally I believe it was a misdirect to lead people to believe, with the authority
position that you have in the UFO community, that if anybody feels that all… that
anything other than All ETs are friendly, then they’re somehow working on the side of the
Illuminati!
That’s a polarization that’s not true. We don’t agree with that – at all! We think that
there’s a big maybe category, where for sure some ETs are friendly.
KC: Absolutely.
BR: I’ve met some of them, personally.
SG: Right.
BR: I don’t even think that my abduction was ill-intended. I think that this was a
program in some way for something, which I’m doing now. You may have had a
parallel experience.
But I don’t know what’s happening. I’m willing to roll with that wave, because I don’t
think they intended any harm to me. But they sure as hell weren’t military. That wasn’t a
MILAB operation.
SG: No, but my point is… Here’s what I said.
BR: But we don’t know these things. We don’t know…
SG: My point is that there’s no evidence that these visitors are hostile…
BR: Sorry. Give me 20 seconds, yeah?

KC: Actually, there is…
BR: But we don’t know – hang on. We don’t know, but neither do you. And you
shouldn’t say that you know and you don’t. That’s my point.
SG: Well, actually…
KC: Yeah, let’s get to the place where, you know, the fact is…
SG: I’m saying there is…
BR: …irresponsible because he doesn’t know, and you’re presuming to know…
KC: Exactly.
BR: …and you’re capitalizing on your authority position in the UFO community and
that’s irresponsible. You’re leading people who are feeding off your words, and you
shouldn’t do that. You should be very…
SG: No, I am totally not irresponsible. I’m trying to do this very responsibly…
BR: Okay.
SG: …because I know what’s at stake if people are led into the path of panic and polarity
and duality.
BR: But we’re not doing that.
SG: And this is absolutely the impression…
BR: And you’re giving the opposite impression, saying: Don’t worry about a damn thing.
SG: No, no.
BR: And that’s equally bad!
SG: I’m not saying Don’t worry. I’m saying… Let me tell you…

BR: Okay.
KC: Why not just enlighten awareness.
SG: Can I answer any of this?
BR: Do it. Go on.
SG: It’s too long…
KC: [laughs] I think you’re answering it. I think you’ve been answering, but go ahead.
SG: Is that? Because no, you haven’t heard my answer yet. My answer is what I
consistently say, is that there’s no evidence that they’re hostile and that we have to be in
an armed position, in a Star Wars SDI position. And that dealing with it in that way is the
last thing that we should be doing.
BR: I agree with that.
SG: So, whether or not…
KC: [unclear]
SG: Let me finish.
BR: Wait a minute.
SG: I cannot say that there is… You can’t prove a negative. I’ve said this three or four
times. I can go with the evidence I’ve seen. Moreover, I can go with the experience of 19
years, of thousands of people in CSETI expeditions and experiences we’ve had with
these visitors... none of which has been fearsome, negative, invasive. None of this sort.
The other point that I have to make is that if it were true that there were civilizations that
had self-interest and were going around the cosmos colonizing and invading different
worlds or planetoids or what have you, then I would say that those are the civilizations
we need to find a way to engage. And it isn’t going to be down the barrel of a laser
weapon or an electromagnetic pulse weapon.

BR: True.
KC: I think you’re making a jump. I mean, I have to say here...
SG: Let me finish. I haven’t finished my answer.
KC: You’re making a jump to Star Wars from us just saying there may be ETs with some
self-interest guiding their paradigm.
SG: Well, but let’s take a step back from humanity for a moment and look at this through
the eyes… Let’s say there is a civilization like you’re describing.
BR: What civilization are we describing?
SG: The ones that you think are not in service to others, but in service to self.
BR: We think they may have agendas that are not necessarily in our interest. That’s not a
polarized position.
KC: Right.
SG: Right. But let’s say that’s the case…
KC: And it doesn’t mean we want to shoot them in the head, either.
SG: Okay, but let’s say that’s true. I don’t think it is true but maybe I’m wrong. It’s
possible, I mean. I don’t pretend to know everything. Maybe I’m wrong.
But let’s say that’s true. What might have instigated that?
Now, let’s go back 100 years. We’re in horse-and-buggies and rifles and things. My
grandmother, born in the late 1800’s post-reconstruction South, saw her son design the
Lunar Module, put the first man on the Moon, and now her grandson doing what I’m
doing.
We’ve gone from horse and buggies to the capacity for interstellar travel and antigrav,
and dematerialization and transdimensional technologies, from gunpowder and the
early stages of the Industrial Revolution. At the same time we’ve gone from rifles and

machine guns to thermonuclear weapons.
Is it a coincidence that the sort of Pandora’s Box that opened when we started detonating
thermonuclear weapons was because it was having an effect beyond just the Earth,
transdimensionally?
Is it possible that the trajectory they saw our civilization going on, these ones you think
may not have our best interest in heart, may have seen us going on a trajectory that, if it
continued on that trajectory would lead to us going into their neighborhood with
weapons of mass destruction, with our unchecked simian tendency towards war-making
and what have you?
So, I’m trying to say let’s look at this for just a moment through another perspective
that’s non-human, if we can. It’s very difficult because we are human. I think…
KC: I met Robert Solace. He watched the craft fly over, okay? In Montana, the missile
silos, and turn them off. I’ve talked with him in his house about these experiences, as
you have in your Disclosure Project…
SG: Right.
KC: We’re totally on the same page on that. There’s no doubt whatsoever that they came
and they are absolutely adamant that this technology not go... first of all, not happen on
the Earth…
SG: It would destroy the planet.
KC: …but second of all, not go beyond. It’s actually interdimensional in its destructive
ability.
SG: Correct. Yes, I’m very aware of this.
KC: So, I think we’re in agreement on that.
SG: In other words, what kind of hornets nest did we pick? And therefore, what kind of
provisions and things are going on as a consequence of that? So, I always say…
You know, everyone starts getting into the, oh, This alien agenda and That alien agenda,

and I would say: What would be more constructive is that the human agenda be fixed. That we
learn to live on this planet and fix…
KC: No disagreement there.
SG: …fix our own home. Create a peaceful civilization rather than worrying about other motives
from other civilizations.
Here’s what I predict. I predict that if we were to do that, and learn to live together
without clubbing each other over the head and killing each other on this planet – as
below, so above – that we would see a change, perhaps, in the cosmic order for that reason.
So, rather than engaging in debates and speculation about the agenda, perhaps harmful
aliens and this and that, I would say why don’t we create a civilization of abundance
and of peace and of enlightenment here? And go into space with that intent and see
what the response to the cosmos will be then?
It may be the response that we’re getting now is a directly proportional response,
karmically and otherwise, to what we have been doing to each other.
KC: Absolutely. We are attracting... like a mirror.
SG: You know, in the last 100 years we have killed 160-million of our own fellow
humans. I think that if you reflect on that... And I was seeing an interview with Robert
McNamara towards the end of his life where he was reflecting on the terrible mistakes
he made in Vietnam and the other wars of the 20th century.
What I think is that there needs to be a sort of Let’s look at ourselves and I think that many
times…
KC: But let’s not do that to the exclusion. It’s not an either/or question. In other words,
what I hear you saying is let’s be a little more sort of Earth-centered in our view of
reality and not worry about the agendas of those other beings out there. And let’s
concentrate on building our nest and making it a good, healthy place, and playing nice
with each other. There’s no disagreement with that.
SG: No, it’s not either/or. I’m saying let’s do that. That’s why we’re doing the
OrionProject.org.

KC: We have absolutely no disagreement with that.
SG: That’s why we’re also doing the contact, diplomatic effort. And we invite all these…
We always invite all these civilizations to make contact.
KC: But actually you’re assuming that there’s no intervention going on. And I think this
is getting to the root of the question. In other words, do you know about screen memories?
You must know about them if you’ve been as deep as you have.
SG: Well, yeah, the psychotronic programs that have been in existence for many years…
KC: All right, because you obviously have a positive view of all your interaction. And,
you know, not to get personal on this level, but to say that if I meet a being who thinks
they’ve only had positive interactions with certain ETs or animals or whoever they are,
then I might look at that person and I might question...
This is my issue – I might question whether or not that person really knows what they’re
having because they might be screen-memoried and they might actually be having some
negative interaction in there and not know it. Now, obviously I’m not…
SG: So you’re back to the positive and the negative and the polarity…
KC: But we live in a 3-D level and we are moving to the 4-D…
SG: And see, this is... The whole point is that…
KC: Actually it goes beyond that, so don’t interrupt me, because I want to finish here.
SG: I don’t think it’s that simple.
KC: Absolutely, and we agree on that. It is very complex.
SG: Right.
KC: We’re multidimensional beings. We live on lots of different levels. We are spiritual
beings first…
SG: Mm-hm.

KC: …and humans second. Okay? We actually are just inhabiting these human bodies at
the moment, in my view. Okay?
SG: Correct. Short-term lease.
KC: I have had a number of Samadhi experiences myself, so I totally know where you’re
coming from with that, and I appreciate that. But that doesn’t change the fact that it is
extremely complex, this picture of what’s going on here.
None of us have all the answers, and to make definitive statements that we feel you are
making out there – okay? – and to actually limit... to put blinders on to such an effect to
say: There is nothing to be worried about, at all, humans out there. Just worry about your own
little playground. And meanwhile, out there, are...
Because I got to tell you, if you’re aware of psychic and you have psychic perception,
you know there are entities that do not have bodies that are negatively oriented. Now
“negative,” again, becomes a judgment. And how do you want to call negative…
SG: Those aren’t extraterrestrial. Now you’re confusing the whole cosmological…
KC: I’m not confused. On the contrary, I’m using an example…
SG: I’ve never denied that there were those kind of entities...
KC: Okay. Fine.
SG: But those aren’t extraterrestrial, physical… Some of this may be definitional.
KC: I know that. Let’s extrapolate from there. I’m simply focusing, right now, on what
you might term a “negative entity” that doesn’t have a body, and I’m saying…
Or you could even say fire. Now, fire is an entity. It’s a non-… It doesn’t have a body,
and yet it has a power, it can create itself. So, in a sense you could say it’s negatively
oriented if it burns your house, but on the other hand it could keep you warm.
So by the same token we could find entities that are in physical bodies – again, spirits
having a physical experience – which could be an ET, it could be us… it’s so

multidimensional. Don’t you see what I’m saying?
SG: Oh, absolutely.
KC: In other words, if they are spirits as we are spirits, then they can be moved by the
positive polarity as they could be pulled by the negative polarity.
It could look, from the dimension of being in this 3-D world that we’re inhabiting called
Earth, in this human body, in this experience, and how they impact us, could in fact be
ultimately negative to our growth cycle. That is, in fact, something that has been posited
as a very real possibility.
SG: Well, anything is possible. I mean, obviously. I just don’t see the evidence for that. I
do see the evidence for humans killing each other. I do see weapons in space where we
have targeted these visitors…
KC: I appreciate that.
SG: … and all of that. So, I mean, we can talk in circles all day on this.
KC: Yeah. Sure.
SG: My position is that there has not been an action against the Earth and humanity
from an extraterrestrial, interstellar, physical civilization to here, that I think would
cause us to want to have a sort of armed conflict response.
Now, are there experiences people have that they interpret as negative?
Absolutely.
I’m going to tell you something, and people don’t like to hear this, but in a major trauma
case, if a child comes in and there’s no time for anesthesia, and I have to put a chest tube
in the chest wall of that child, I must look like the most horrible monster and devil that
ever lived.
My motive is to save that child. My motive is to help that child. But to anyone seeing it
who would just walk in from another planet or off the street, they’d go: What is that
monstrous doctor… or What are they doing?

BR: You’re doing what you must.
SG: And what my motive is, is that I’ve got five minutes or less to save that child’s life.
So, all I’m saying is that this sort of anthropocentric…
KC: It’s a matter of perspective.
SG: … and it is a matter of perspective. I think that’s why I prefer to be cautious,

cautiously optimistic, put out a positive view on how we should be interacting with this
thing. It is not irresponsible. I am not insidious. I think that these sort of
characterizations are highly offensive, as I have never attacked you folks publicly.
I found I was attacked on your blog today. It was unfortunate. But my perspective, I
want to be very clear…
KC: No, no. Your philosophy was attacked. You were not attacked.
SG: Yeah, well, whatever.
KC: Actually, you were complimented.
SG: But I just have to say that that is why we’re wanting to be cautious because it is so
easy for humans… I mean, look what happened after 9/11. It is so easy for humans to
take shreds of information and then go on a war footing or go on a conflict footing.
BR: We agree with you.
SG: This is the inherent danger of some of the things that you’re saying, is it can shove
humanity.
KC: Yeah, okay. I understand.
SG: Okay. And there’s one thing to have a private conversation about speculating about
the motives and the agendas of the aliens, but when you start talking to the people of the
planet about this and you start putting out… and positing that there are these – and to
use your word, and the polarity negative and this and that – this would throw the planet
into…

And it would also throw the planet completely into the camp of Majestic, who for years
has been trying to... and has also taken presidents aside, like Reagan, and tried to
convince them of exactly the argument you’re making so that he would spend hundreds
of billions of dollars on SDI. I think this gets into serious policy issues.
KC: Yeah, yeah.
SG: Okay. And I have responsibilities here that you’re not aware of. So to say I’m
irresponsible... You don’t know what my responsibilities are. And therefore…
BR: I want to…
SG: No you do not! What I’m saying here is that…
BR: I want to ask a question which is very… I want to take this back, now. Just wait a
second, let’s cool down and I want to just make an analogy.
Now, an analogy that I sometimes use, and it usually results in nods of agreement, is
that we’re like fishermen on a South Sea island, in the middle of the Pacific Ocean,
having believed for generations that we’re the only people in the whole world.
We’re sitting around a campfire cooking our fish and we’re trying to figure out: That big
metal ship on the horizon, what do they want with us? That metal bird that keeps on circling
around our island, what are they doing? Is it real? And Did you see it? And all this kind of
stuff.
We’re trying to figure out the intentions, assuming that we believe in their existence, of
these other beings that we’re suddenly starting to realize might exist in our universe on
this little tropical island.
Now, the problem is that if we really do look at this as a human situation which is quite
real, really, what experience do we have as South Sea island fishermen to figure out –
Maybe they want to cut our trees down. Maybe they want to save us because the sea level’s rising
and they want to take us to another island. Maybe they want our minerals, or maybe they want to
convert us to Christianity. Maybe they want to eat us, kill us, or maybe they want to make
friends. How do we know?
The danger is – and this is a question now – the danger is that I’m here around this

campfire with you guys and I hear you saying those other men in those big ships and
those metal birds must be friendly.
And I’m saying: Wait a minute. We need to be a little bit careful here because, actually, even
though we do get into fights on this little island every now and then, how do we know we can
trust them? Maybe we can, maybe we can’t. What’s your experience?
That’s an attempt to characterize, by analogy, how complex this is. That’s why I said that
it was irresponsible, as I would do if I was around that campfire, as an elder of this
community saying: They’ve got to be friendly, we’ve got to trust them, you’ve got to trust them.
This is what the Incas said about the Conquistadors!
SG: Yes, but your metaphor is, again, an anthropocentric projection onto something that
I think is non-applicable.
I think that, in addition to that, our... I keep coming back to this. Not only in my personal
experience, but the experience of hundreds of people, thousands of people, that we have
had involved with our diplomatic contact programs, have not had any of this sort of
experience that would lend us to believe that there are civilizations that are hostile to the
Earth and to humanity.
On the other hand, I have had many sources describe to me the Programmed Life Forms,
the military involvement with hoaxing abductions, a false-flag operation to create an
alien threat that we can unite against.
So I have to go on the knowledge and the experience I have, and it isn’t just observing
something from afar, because we’ve actually had contact. We actually have more
information than something just floating up above the island. So the analogy breaks
down very quickly.
And even if there was this potential for one or more of these planetary civilizations to be
of concern to us, my answer would still be the same:
There needs to be engagement. There needs to be a diplomatic détente. There needs to be a

rapprochement. There needs to be an enlightened approach to this where we really move out of a
sort of duality that leads to conflict on Earth.
I think that regardless of what your assessment of the agenda, the path of wisdom and

safety is that.
KC: Okay, we don’t disagree with that, okay? Let’s talk about where we agree…
BR: I agree fully, and it needs to be in the public domain.
KC: I mean, we certainly agree on the end objective. Okay? The end objective, from our
point of view. Okay? We are not part of the military-industrial complex. Okay?
We’re doing what we do because we believe in truth, because we’re dedicating our lives.
And, indeed, our lives literally have been in danger because of what we believe. We do it
on a daily basis and you, of all people, should understand this.
SG: Mm-hm.
KC: So we’re not taking this lightly. Our end result is not to be what they may desire as
their ultimate end-game. In other words, we’re not here to support their end-game and
we’re not naïve about what we’re doing either. So neither of those things is true. Okay?
We are not trying to promote sort of a fear-based paradigm such that people get into a
place where the only thing they can think of is to shoot ET in the head, to be graphic, or
to allow for space-based weaponry.
I mean, we basically agree with your philosophy in that way, wholeheartedly. In fact, I
would say, we are dedicating our lives to that.
However, on the other hand, we are also not going to sit here and pretend that we know
all the answers. And we’re also not gonna assume that all contact is positive. On the
contrary to what your…
SG: You’re going to say whatever you think.
KC: Yeah, obviously we are. But in terms of this discussion and for the reason that we…
You know, you’re sort of saying our blog thing, our posting, you found offensive
because we’re saying... What you’re saying on stage, and again, you’re on stage. You’re
on stage actually more often than we are, far more often – and I have to say, therefore
your responsibility is great.
Perhaps your approach is a bit simplistic in that you are assuming that if you talk about
the potential that there are other things going on, or a potential for other ways of looking

at the question, that the jump that the whole audience out there is gonna make
immediately is to fear and panic. And that they’re gonna jump on this bandwagon of the
military-industrial complex, and all go out and grab their guns and knives and want to
go shoot ET and fight with each other and other worlds, and so on. That’s not... In other
words, you’re going from...
SG: But the problem is, is that I’m completely aware that my position is the minority
position. Okay? I’m acutely aware that.
KC: Actually, that’s not true either. I mean, there are plenty of people out there that are
advocating peace and love, and getting on their cars and jumping up and down: Please,
ET, come save us because you’re all good.
SG: No. I would actually challenge you to look at Hollywood, the UFO community, the
books and videos that are out on this subject. They are overwhelmingly negative and
terrifying. I think that this is one of the problems.
BR: I don’t think so.
SG: I think that one of the problems is that we have to look at this with a long view. And
the long view, as I see it... And this is all I can do is go by my own moral compass and
what I think is right. I don’t think I’m irresponsible. I don’t think I’m simplistic, and all
these sort of characterizations.
I think that I have a responsibility to help articulate a path forward that is wise and that
does not redound to further fear and panic and negativity on this planet, but that moves
us forward in a positive way and that can lead to what I’m certain will be the future for
this planet.
That’s one of, not only world peace, but universal peace and a wholly, completely new,
transformative civilization on this planet that isn’t thousands of years off or even
decades off now. I think it’s very, very near.
So, I think that that’s what I wish to articulate. There’s no simplicity to it. It’s actually a
rather complex concept. It’s also a way of engaging spiritually.
I want to share a dream I had. I don’t share this very often, but... Back when my friend
Shari and I and another member of my team all got metastatic cancer in the same month
and we were all going to die. She died, but she was still alive. And Bill Colby had died,

been killed trying to help us just before this. It was a terrible time, actually, for me.
I had a dream. And, of course, I’m human. I was angry. I was mad as hell at what was
happening to us.
I had a dream – I think I was in England doing some crop circle work – and in the dream
there were these giant lions that were stalking me. They were going to try to kill me. (It’s
funny because Dr. Tom Bearden talks about “the lions” of this cabal, and I’d never heard
him use that term at the time I had the dream.)
But here were these huge lions, and they were stalking me and they were going to kill
me. And it was this lucid, lucid, full-color dream.
I didn’t run. I didn’t get angry. I didn’t have hate in my heart. I opened my heart and
went to a place of universal love and consciousness and I engaged each lion in their
eyes.
We were doing this, following each other around, and eventually they became so
engaged with that energy that, even though they had huge claws and fangs, they
actually flipped over on their back and I was petting them like this, like they were big
pussycats. We had become… It completely diffused that situation.
I use that as an analogy of sort of an aikido, spiritually, of the engagement I’m

endeavoring in, both with the public, with Majestic, with the visitors. That’s what I’m
doing.
KC: I understand.
SG: That’s it in summary.
KC: I think that’s a great description of your approach and what’s motivating you.
Thank you very much for that, Steven Greer.
BR: Thank you for sharing that, Steven.
SG: Thank you.
BR: Thank you very much. We appreciate it.

SG: Thank you.
Click here for the video
The Perspective of Alfred Weber:
Alfred Weber
Who is Alfred Lambremont Webre, J.D., M.Ed.?
(b. May 24, 1942 on a U.S. Naval Air Station) is an author, lawyer (member of the District
of Columbia Bar), futurist, peace activist, environmental activist, and a space activist
who promotes the ban of space weapons. He was a co-architect of the Space Preservation
Treaty and the Space Preservation Act that was introduced to the U.S. Congress by
Congressman Dennis Kucinich and is endorsed by more than 270 NGO's worldwide. He
helped draft the Citizen Hearing in 2000 with Stephen Bassett and serves as a member of
the Board of Advisors. Webre is also on the Board of Advisers at the Exopolitics
Institute, is the congressional coordinator for The Disclosure Project, is a judge on the
Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal, and is the International Director of the Institute for
Cooperation in Space.
Webre believes that there is intelligent extraterrestrial life in our Universe. He is the
author of the online e-book, "Towards a Decade of Contact" and the book Exopolitics:
Politics, Government, and Law in the Universe. The exopolitics model functionally maps the
operation of politics, government and law in an intelligent Universe, and provides an
operational bridge between models of terrestrial politics, government and law, and the
larger models of politics, government and law in Universe society.
Webre believes that as exopolitics posits, the truest conception of our human
circumstance may be that we are on an isolated planet in the midst of a populated,
evolving, highly organized inter-planetary, inter-galactic, multi-dimensional Universe
society. e believes that we live on a planet that has been quarantined (the Zoo
Hypothesis) and that we are now being given an opportunity to join the rest of the
spiritually evolved Universe Society in peace, thus an opportunity to avoid
environmental global self-destruction or global self-destruction through war.
Webre's views are not unlike the conclusion of other independent researchers such as
Associate Professor of Political Science, Dr. Courtney Brown and the late Harvard
Medical School Professor of psychiatry, Dr. John Edward Mack, who believed that we
must become "galactic citizens".
On March 10, 2007, Webre launched the Exopolitics Radio program, hosted by 1480
KPHX (which at the time was the Air America Radio affiliate, and Nova M Radio
flagship station, in Phoenix) until the fall of 2008; the program was distributed via
podcast and webcast on its own website for several months afterward, although no new
episodes have appeared since late March 2009. Guests on the program have been
generally advocates of views similar to that of Webre, and many are well known within
the UFO research/enthusiast (and to a lesser extent the New Age) community.
(this information was taken from en.wikipedia.org)
The following is an interview with Alfred Weber from the website:

www.etfriends.com/conference/addinfo/webre.html
EXOPOLITICS INTERVIEW with Alfred Lambremont

Webre
Vancouver, BC
Q: How could advanced non-terrestrial contact assist us out of our "petroleum-nuclear

planetary coffin" and aid us in leading a sustainable society? Where do you see us in, say
11 years [by 2012] and 50 years [by 2050]?

A: The essence of exopolitics is that our relationships depend on our interaction. Right
now, our official human culture denies the existence of the ecology of intelligent
civilizations that surround us in space and among the interactive Universe dimensions.
There is not very far that we can get with that kind of denial. We are a sort of autistic
civilization, insistent on the fact that we alone are alive. That autism is artificial. It is the
result of a ruling network of terrestrial elites who have kept humanity ignorant of the
existence of non-terrestrial civilizations for at least the past half-century, since the end of
World War II. The autism may also be the result of an information blackout imposed by
lower-order non-terrestrials. Editor’s Note: This sentence refers to an “information
blackout” or Quarantine described in Exopolitics: Politics, Government and Law in the
Universe as follows:
“Earth is isolated because it is under intentional quarantine by a structured, rational

Universe society. There are signs around us of a Universe initiative to reintegrate Earth
into interplanetary society. It is possible that Earth may be permitted to rejoin Universe
society, under certain conditions, or at a future time certain.”
Open interaction with Universe society could yield fairly rapid results in forestalling our
ecological crisis, and elevating human society. New energy non-polluting energy sources
- of human design and application could at last be made available without their
inventor's fearing assassination by petroleum and nuclear interests. Our petroleum
civilization would be stalemated and made obsolete. Universe society's laws and
institutions prohibit war as a conflict resolution mechanism. The ruling terrestrial elites -
and the permanent war economy - have historically used war as a key means of
production and power.
Exopolitics is the study of law, government and politics in the Universe. It is Universe
law, government, and politics that will liberate human society.
As to the time frame, that is dependent on human interactivity. We must build an

exopolitical grass-roots on Earth - a Decade of Contact for community politics and
education about Universe society and our Universal heritage.
Q: What encompases our Universe society? What do you believe is actually going on
here? A re-integration? Has there been a continuous, hidden, non-terrestrial presence on
earth throughout history?; What is your theory on non-terrestrial intervention?

A: Universal law encompasses all of the Universe - Universal law and justice exist and
govern all intelligent life in the Universe. Universe society is one society - a multiplicity
of societies under Universal law.
Human society, by analogy, is a unitary, multi-cultural society on a single life-bearing

planet.
We are to Universe society as a garden is to the gardener. Life-bearing planets and the
life species on them are grown and developed by dimensional civilizations which are
devoted to this.
There are many inter-acting facets to what we call "Non-terrestrial" or "Extraterrestrial".

What we see as "Interstellar space" is but one dimension of a multi-dimensional
Universe. Thus advanced, interplanetary civilizations are in fact, "multi-dimensional",
"extraterrestrial" "interstellar" and perhaps even "planetary" on another life-bearing
planet. What is of important to Exopolitics is that all of this reality - all interactions and
relationships by intelligent life in the Universe -are ruled by law, government and
politics.
Q: Are global management bodies in contact with some sort of Galactic Federation or
with some sort of supernatural spiritual adepts?
A: Possibly. From some evidence there may have been fifty years of intrigue and power
relationships between a lower order non-terrestrial force and USA military-intelligence
networks. Conversely, the highest covert priority of the USA military over the last 50
years appears to be waging an information war against the non-terrestrial presence - a
knowledge embargo; black propaganda and black ops to demonize the non-terrestrials.
But this is almost beside the point in the long run.
Universe society is acting to increase the awareness of the human race as a whole. Open
interaction with the highest levels of Universe society is designed for the evolution of the
human race, not the illusory temporal power needs of a few white men.
Q: If your 1977 Carter White House Extraterrestrial Communication Study had not been
terminated, what would you have found? Would we have had disclosure over the last 25
years? How would today be different?
A: We would most probably be now acting under 25 years of open disclosure. The

differences could be incalculable, with that degree of power and authority to open up
interaction and get beyond the zero-sum game of the death forces that now enforce the
embargo against open contact.
"The only way out is through," the saying goes. Well, we didn't get through under the
Carter Administration, so now we must get through at the grass-roots.
Q: Are the non-terrestrials acclimating/acclimatizing us to their presence? What must

humanity do before they exist with us more openly?
A: Yes. Acclimating is a good term for this process. The entire UFO phenomenon can be
seen as a vast peripheral-cuing mass psychological condition project to enhance our
awareness of higher intelligence in the Universe.
Humanity is in a very good place, psychologically and Universally. Between 50 and 100
million adult North Americans (between 25% and 50% of the adult populations - Gallup
and Zogby polls) believe in the reality of extraterrestrial presence on Earth. They will not
have a problem absorbing the new post-reality.
The difficulty is not the human population - it is the networks of human governments
and the ownership of a petroleum and nuclear energy civilization that is in the hands of
retrogressive forces. The ruling terrestrial elites are not ignorant of the non-terrestrial
presence. They are actively carrying out a fifty year information war against our
integration with Universe society.
Q: Please offer your thoughts on weapons in space; killer comets/asteroids; the role of
the United Nations with non-terrestrial contact; some sort of shift in the consciousness of
humanity.
A: The USA's "Star Wars" and the militarization of space is part of the information war
against Earth's integration with Universe society. Star Wars is an "inside code word" for
this war among the military planners. The issue is whether our space technology will be
in accord with Universal principles, or controlled by a military empire. Dealing with
near earth objects is a common application of space technology. The USA will ultimately
suffer ignominious defeat by Universe society should it persist as a space military
power.
Q: Exopolitics seems to involve elite power groups- information, propaganda, coverup,

disclosure;etc. What is the situation concerning pro and anti-disclosure factions? Will the
non-terrestrials bypass this earth-style politics?
A: Exopolitics merely describes a process - that of law, politics and government in the
Universe. Politics does not end at the geostationary orbit. It is Universal.
The task of our generation is to make exopolitics at the grassroots level. Where are the
concerts on behalf of integrating with the Universe? Where are the artists, the activists,
the students, the writers, the militants? Answer - they are coping with the effects of the
information war and the embargo against even thinking that non-terrestrial civilization.
How do we bust out into a grassroots exopolitics - like the Peace movement, say of the
1960s-80s?
Q: What essential points are you trying to make in EXOPOLITICS: POLITICS,

GOVERNMENT AND LAW IN THE UNIVERSE?
A: Exopolitics is more than extraterrestrial politics. Exopolitics is real and an immediate

part of Earth's social ecology. Exopolitics, as a discipline, is the study of politics,
government and law in the Universe. It is an authentic, newly received branch of human
knowledge, as well as an exciting frontier. Exopolitics is also the self-regulating process
of a populated, highly advanced and organized Universe. Exopolitics provides the
institutional framework for Earth's integration into Universe society. That process is now
ongoing and will accelerate as exopolitical realities are awakened in humankind.
Q: What, in your mind, are the political implications of the book EXOPOLITICS:
POLITICS, GOVERNMENT AND LAW IN THE UNIVERSE?
A: Well, we don’t know yet the impact of the Exopolitics perspective. But the
implications of exopolitics itself for human politics are profound. The change to be
brought about is not a sea change, it is a Universe change for human kind. The current
paradigm of human politics has the political process ending at Earth's edge (as the
human law of outer space establishes). Exopolitics mediates Earth's political and
governmental relationships with societies and organizations in interplanetary society.
The impact of exopolitics on human politics will be transformative. An aware Grass
roots politics will deconstruct the information war waged against the Extraterrestrial
Initiative, largely by Echelon countries (USA, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada).
Humankind will reclaim their Universal rights to Universal citizenship. Earth's politics

will extend to the exopolitics of other societies in the Universe.
Q: How do your credentials and background bolster the disclosure process?
A: I think of my contribution to the exopolitical process in terms of praxis, the melding

of theory and practice. As theory, in The Age of Cataclysm (1974) we developed the
context theory of extraterrestrial communications. That is, interpreting UFO encounters
and the UFO phenomenon as intentional communication, through an analogue of dream
interpretation theory. Many UFO encounters are archetypal communications from a
higher source. The UFO phenomenon itself can be seen as peripheral cueing of our
species with a goal of activating Universe awareness. These UFO-based communications
are part of our process of Universe integration.
As practice, in 1977, as a futurist with the Center for the Study of Social Policy at SRI, I
formulated and developed a proposed study with the Carter White House on
extraterrestrial communication. That study was brutally terminated by the intervention
of the SRI-Pentagon liaison in September, 1977. So I am familiar with the information
war, and am a practitioner of exopolitics.
Q: If you were to narrow down the most important aspect of your contribution to this
process, what would it be?
A: This question itself illustrates the fresh perspective exopolitics brings. "Important"
from whose perspective: the perspective of terrestrial civilization, or the Extraterrestrial
Initiative? The Extraterrestrial phenomenon - in its Universal manifestation - is
interactive, highly evolved, multi-dimensional (I am not talking about near-Earth
remnants of our Universe quarantine). I am still not quite sure how my actions might be
"important" from an Extraterrestrial perspective. Thanks for the question.
Vancouver, BC
Interview by Graham Simms

The Gazette (Halifax, Nova Scotia)
University Newspaper
I recommend the following interview of Alfred Weber:
www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/awebre.htm

The Perspective of Chuck Missler
Chuck Missler
Chuck Missler
Charles "Chuck" Missler is an author, conservative Christian Bible teacher, and former
businessman. He is the founder of the Koinonia House ministry based in Coeur d'Alene,
Idaho.
The following are remarks made by Chuck Missler during a lecture entitled, Return Of
The Nephilim, as view on you tube at:
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3473883928564642733#
“The two top researchers in the last century really is Dr. Jacques Vallée ( born September
24, 1939, Pontoise, Val-d'Oise ) of France and Dr. Jay Allen Hynek ( May 1, 1910 - April
27, 1986 ) the American now J. Allen Hynek was head of astronomy at Cornel and he
set out to debunk this nonsense about UFOs and he became one of the most ardent
competent balanced in the trade J. Allen Hynek he died a few years ago. Those of you
who saw the movie, Close Encounters of The Third Kind, whether you realized it or not
saw J. Allen Hynek because he was in the crowd.”
Jacques Fabrice Vallée ( born September 24, 1939, Pontoise, Val-d'Oise ) is a French-born venture
capitalist, computer scientist, author, ufologist and former astronomer. He currently resides in San
Francisco, California in the United States. ( He should not be confused with the Canadian astronomer
Jacques Paul Vallée. ) In mainstream science, Vallée is notable for co-developing the first computerized
mapping of Mars for NASA and for his work at SRI International in creating ARPANET, a precursor to
the modern Internet. Vallée is also an important figure in the study of unidentified flying objects (UFOs),
first noted for a defense of the scientific legitimacy of the extraterrestrial hypothesis and later for
promoting the Interdimensional hypothesis similar partly to Mac Tonnies cryptoterrestrial
hypothesis.From Wikipedia
Dr. J. Allen Hynek (left) and Dr. Jacques Vallee (right). Source: United States Government
Dr. Josef Allen Hynek ( May 1, 1910 - April 27, 1986 ) was a United States astronomer, professor, and
ufologist. He is perhaps best remembered for his UFO research. Hynek acted as scientific adviser to UFO
studies undertaken by the U.S. Air Force under three consecutive names: Project Sign (1947-1949), Project
Grudge (1949-1952), and Project Blue Book (1952 to 1969). For decades afterwards, he conducted his own
independent UFO research, and is widely considered the father of the concept of scientific analysis of
both reports and, especially, trace evidence purportedly left by UFOs. From Wikipedia
“Both of these respected researchers came to the conclusion that they are not
intergalactic there a lot of physics rebuttals to that conjecture. They both argued that
these things are demonic. Their term. They’ve written many, many books you can check
them out these are not religious people, they are not any kind of people with a personal
agenda, but they came to the conclusion that these things on the one hand, and by the
way we take away for granted that we stripped away the nonsense the hoaxes we placed
them to the side…”
“On the one hand they exhibit physical properties, on the other hand they violate all
physical laws, so the conclusion from both J. Allen Hynek and Jacques Vallée and others
have come to is that they are hyper dimensional, that somehow they come from another
dimension, periodically, that causes us now to stand back a little bit and do a little
tutorial on the Hyperspaces. And we are going to get into why we feel that the Bible is
an authenticated message of extraterrestrial origin in the first place.”

“And we are going to get into why we feel that the Bible is an
authenticated message of extraterrestrial origin in the first place.” -
Chuck Missler
“What you really need to do to get a handle on the UFO thing, strangely enough, is to do
your home in Genesis chapter six. I want you to notice the first two verses and I want
you to pay attention that the first two verses are a single sentence. Many people stumble
because they don’t see that this is a single sentence, you’ll see in a minute. Genesis 6
verse 1: “
Genesis 6:1-
6:1-2 (King James Version) 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the
face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters
of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
“One verse. Now the question is this strange phrase ‘sons of God’ that can mean
anything to us, lets find out what the text really means, sons of God, what is in Hebrew
remember Hebrew goes from right to left so if you are watching the slides here. Bene
HaElohim is a term that is always used of a direct creation of God, Adam was a direct
creation of God, you and I in the natural are not, we are sons of Adam, that’s our
problem, that’s what the book of Romans is all about.”
Sons of God = Bene HaElohim (Hebrew)

Sons of God = angels
“In the Old Testament in Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7 this term in the Hebrew is always used of
angels cause they are a direct creation of God, and in the New Testament Luke 20:36,
also in the Book of Enoch, now don’t misunderstand me here as a citation, the Book of
Enoch was very popular from about the second century before Christ to about the
second century after Christ, it is not an inspired book, I wouldn’t treat that way but it is
useful in understanding the vocabulary and the grammar of the time, and clearly in the
Book of Enoch this term is used there also to refer to angels. The Septuagint (LXX) this is
the transcription of the scriptures that went from Hebrew to Greek, if you a Jew living
say the second century before Christ the enforced language world wide commercial was
Greek, thanks to Alexander the Great.”
“The Septuagint also makes it clear that we are dealing with angels as we think of them.
Now in Genesis 6:1,2 ‘And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of
the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters
of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose’ it is clear
that ‘sons of God’ is referring to angels, and who were the ‘daughters of men’ in the
Hebrew is Benoth Adam meaning the daughters of men.”
“In Genesis 6:4 we read, ‘There were Nephilim (or giants) in the earth in those days; and
also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare
children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.’
(English Standard Version). This verse seems to indicate is that these Nephilim were an
offspring of a strange union, the sons of God, these are angels here according to the
Hebrew, they came in unto the daughters of men, daughters of Adam incidentally this is
not just Cain and Seth and any of that these are daughters of men, and they bear
children to them and it’s those children that are the Nephilim, now what on Earth is the
Nephilim? That word is a key word, we are going to talk a lot about that word,
Nephilim means ‘the fallen ones’ it comes from the verb nephal which means to ‘to fall,
to be cast down, to fall away desert,’ that’s what a Nephilim is a deserter, in a sense.”
“What the passage portrays and its very difficult for many people to absorb this, it
portrays fallen angels these are not the good guys remember when Satan fell a third of
the angels fell with him. Not all of them but apparently a group of them choose to create
a hybrid race, by, I don’t know the technology, I’m not going to get into that but
apparently, see angels can’t multiply angels are eternal reproduction is a process for
mortals, by the same time Satan has a problem, a third of the angels fell with him so he
has a deficiency of 2:1 in a war that comes him. He has to find a way to strengthen
himself this may be a conjecture that floats around, now the offspring are also called
HaGibborim ‘the mighty ones’ and the confusion was in the Septuagint when they
translated the word Nephilim as gigantes ’giant’
It sounds like ‘giants’ and it turns out they were giants but that is not what the word
means, gigantes comes from ‘gigas’ which means ‘Earth born’ so in the Hebrew they are
called the fallen ones and in the Greek they are called Earth born,”
“Now let’s look at Genesis 6:9 ‘These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man
and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.’ what does that mean that
Noah was ‘perfect’ well perfect comes from the word tamiym which means ‘without
blemish,’ what that verse seems to say is that Noah’s genealogy was unblemished, not
this verse comes after the verses where some fallen angels have created some strange
form of hybrids, but Noah was unblemished in his generations and that one reasons that

God choose Noah and his three sons and their four wives to start over again.”
“Could this (reported alien abductions) be leading to a repetition of Genesis 6?Is it

possible that this is the hind included in Jesus’ remark, ‘as the days of Noah were so
shall the days of the coming of the son of man be.”
The End
ABOUT THE AUTHOR:

Ricardo Saúl LaRosa was born on 19 August 1962 in the mountain valley of Santa
Marta, Costa Rica. His family migrated to Long Island, New York when he was five years
old. He attended Freeport and Uniondale Public Schools. He holds a BA in Political
Science from Queens College, City University of New York and is matriculated in a
graduate program in Education and Social Studies. He has over 200 published articles in
the local newspapers and magazines.
He is a community activist and he has been a candidate for the schools boards and the
Nassau County Legislature. The author resides on Long Island and works as a teaching
assistant in the public schools, a private tutor and a freelance writer.

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Commentary & Five Perspectives

© 2010 by Ricardo Saúl LaRosa

My research and working hypothesis of human beings’ beginnings will be outlined in

8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

As Chuck Missler explains very eloquently:

Sons of God = Bene HaElohim (Hebrew)Sons of God = angels

© 2010 by Ricardo Saúl LaRosa

My research and working hypothesis of the supernatural will be published in two

© 2010 by Ricardo Saúl LaRosa

Alfred Lambremont Webre believes that Earth is “isolated because it is under

The Perspective of Olaf Hage:

© 2010 by Ricardo Saúl LaRosa

PROFESSIONAL WRITING BACKGROUND Mr. Hage authored Affirmative-Action

THEOLOGICAL STUDIES AND BACKGROUND

(information taken from the website thetimequest.com)

© 2010 by Ricardo Saúl LaRosa

“As far as I can tell that is not an advanced spices.”

© 2010 by Ricardo Saúl LaRosa

The Perspective of Dr. David Jacobs:

Dr. David Jacobs

Dr. David Jacobs

Dr. David M. Jacobs is an associate professor of History at Temple University in

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The Perspective of Dr. Steven Greer:

Dr. Steven Greer

Who is Dr. Steven Greer?

(information taken from the website www.bibliotecapleyades.net)

Dr. Greer’s official website is: www.disclosureproject.org

Below is the introduction and complete verbatim incredible interview conducted

Dr. Steven Greer : The Unknown Agenda

Dr Steven Greer talking to Art Bell

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Dr. Geer and Kerry Cassidy of Project Camelot in an interesting exchange

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW by Project Camelot

Steven Greer : The Unknown Agenda

Steven Greer (SG): Oh, good. Thank you.

BR: We want to thank you for that.

SG: Oh, you’re welcome. Thank you.

SG: Oh, I can take any questions.

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BR: We agree with that.

KC: [laughs] Yeah.

BR: Yeah, they’re not going around in rocket ships.

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So the secrecy has to be understood within a larger macro-economic geopolitical crisis

KC: Yeah, I definitely understand.

SG: No it isn’t. No, no, no.

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KC: Oh, really? Okay.

KC: Oh, I see.

KC: I had a misunderstanding. Part of the reason is because…

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KC: Yeah, we’ve heard this.

SG: So this eschatological end the world perspective is…

KC: We would certainly agree with that.

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BR: We would agree with that as well. It’s very complex.