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Q. Okar.' And did she use the word vagina?
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A. Wel ,no. She used her privates, and she
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Q. Okay. How 100000didthat take for her to
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Q. Why would she think she was in trouble?
A. Because she after we had talked, I asked
I, her why she didn't tell someooe, and she said that she
f thoughi she was going to be in trouble for this going
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Q. Okay. And where did you reach her mom
at .. home? cell phone? work?
A. It was on the cell phone, oot she was at

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that same day, that same time?
A. Danielle put me on speaker phone because I
told her that Ineeded to talk to them. It was
important.
Q. And what did you tell them?
A. I told them what Shyane told me.
Q. And VOl! said that he .. she told you that
he put his fingers In her vagina, right?
A. Yes.
Q. Okay. Then what happened?
A. Urn, 10001 know where Abe went or what
happened on that end, IxJt he ended up coming to the
house to talk to Shyane.
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A. He asked her what went on you know, what
3 was going on. She told him. And he told her, You
4 understand that this is something really bad that you're
5 saying, so you need to make sure that you're telling the
6 whole truth, because we don't want to leave any part of
7 it out because this can put 2ane in a lot of trouble.
8 And she said she knew It, and she told him again. And
9 he said okay.
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Q, Now, how had the relationship between Abe
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Q. Okay, And is there and I know he
t doesn't want to be or try to be, but is there any
problem with the fact that her father is black?
A. No.
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names or yell at her?
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l stem to her when she's getting 10 trouble, but other
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Well,yeah.
Was she closer to you or her father? Not
her father, her ste~father.
A. Well, 'would like to say she's closer to
me, because I've been with her all her life, you know,
but I really can't tell you because Idon't know who she
would .. you know, I mean, she loves him. She loves me.
She loves Danielle. She loves her daddy, her father,
Ramon.
Q. Did you ever talk to her father, Ramon,
about this?
A. He come over .. well, he called and then he
come over to get Shyane
----- to take her to Chuck E. Cheese
and out to eat, but- as far as sitting down talki./lgto
him'about it, no.
Q. Did you call him?
A. No.
Q. How long did Abe and Shyane
---- speak before
the conversation was over? I mean, how
-- long did they
actually talk?
A. Thirty, fortyfive minutes.
Q. Okay. And what was his demeanor and what
was her demeanor?
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Q. Okay.
A. Her demeanor? Urn, nervous.
Q. Okay. After they talked, then what
happened?
A. Abe left and Shyane
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Q. Why did she stay
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home?
A. Because they were going to call the police.
Q. Okay. Did the police ever come to your
house to talk to you?
A. No.
Q. Did the police ever call you to the house
to talk to Shyane?
---A. -- No, no. The child people come to the house
to talk to Shyane
----- and me.
Q. - Okay. And where were you located when you
spoke to the Child Protection Team investigator?
A. Outside my house.
Q. And was it beilll! recorded or was she taking
notes while she spoke to you?
A. She was takmg notes.
Q. How !ongwould you say you had with her?
A. Aboot an hour.

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Q. Okay. Now, did Shyane
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A. No.
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Q. What did she say was put inside of her?
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A. His fingers.
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Q. She never said, like, other things?
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A. No.
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Q. Did she ever tell you that he had made any
9 threats to her?
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A. No. She hadn't said that to me.
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Q. Okay. Did she tell you about any
1 incidences? Did she say this is hOw it happened?
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A. She did not tell me, you know, specific
1 times that it happened. She just said that It happened.
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Q. She just said he put his fingers in me, but
1 she didn't ~ve you, like, a scenario or specific
1 instance?
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A. Well, she told me that when Zane was at the
1 house l Danielle went to the store, and he stayed there
2 with tne kids. And he made Jaron ~ in to the bedroom,
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---- stay in the Iivmg room. And that's
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Q. Did she say anything that he said to her?
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A. Not that Ican remember.
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Q. When you sat down with Shyane

---- to discuss
what was serious, what was Shyane's
like when
------ demeanor
-you were talking to her?
A. She was nervous, but she acted like she
thought she was in trouble.
Q. Did she speak in a loud voice or a soft
voice?
A. No. It was a very soft voice. I had to
keep telling her to speak up.
Q. Has Shyane
---- ever made accusations of abuse
before?
-A. No.
Q. Had she ever acted like this around you
before?
A. No.
MS. CASHWElL: You know what I'm not
finding, I'm not finding any notes regarding any
conversations between the worker and the witness,
MR. GORDON: You mean any OCF reports?
MS. CASHWELL: Yep, I got it. ~t as I
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about how many times ..
A. No.
Q." that it allegedly occurred or when?
A. Um, I don't remember.
Q. Did you ever ask her any questions about,
you know, where her mom was at the time, that kind of
stuff?
A. No. She had just told me that it had
happened when Danielle went to the store. She didn't
teU me how many times or when.
Q. Did she ever say it happened more than
once?
A. Not that I can remember.
Q. Okay. Didshe at any time during the
conversation with you cry?
A. Yes.
Q. Okay. Did she at any time during the
conversation with the DCF worker cry?
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A. Yes.
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Q. So your daughter .. it sounds like your
6 daui!hter, Courtney, she spoke to you. Did you ever talk
7 to Courtney and see what she had said?
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A. Yes.
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Q. And what did Courtney teU you?
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A. Courtney had said that Shyane
---- had told her
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11 needed to teU her. After we sot home and they were
1 playing in the backyard for a little bit, Shvane come up
1~ to her and said that someone had touChed her. And
1 Courtney said, Stop, you need to talk to Nanna. And she
1 brought her straight to me.
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I, linda D. Miller, Rorida Professional

ReJlO!!.e!I..NotaryPublic, State of Florida, certify
that ItIOOE WEBB personally appeared before me on the
8th day of December, 2010 and was duly sworn.
WIlNESSmy hand and official seal this 13th day
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