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TIME
10:30 a.m.
VENUE
AGENDA
_________________________________________
ATTENDANCE
SENATOR PRESENT:
Hon. Ferdinand R. Marcos Jr.
GUESTS/RESOURCE PERSONS:
Hon. Antonio F. Lagdameo Jr.
Hon. Abdusakur Toto Tan II
Atty. Al Julkipli
PAZAMBATASUL
Executive Director
Institute for Autonomy and
Governance
SENATORS STAFF
Atty. Jose Cadiz, Jr.
Atty. Minda Lavarias
Atty. Ryan Estevez
Atty. Elbert Cruz
Atty. Jason Co
Mr. John Carlos
O/S
O/S
O/S
O/S
O/S
O/S
Marcos
Marcos
Pimentel
Pimentel
A. Cayetano
A. Cayetano
SENATE SECRETARIAT:
Ms. Assumption Ingrid B. Reyes
Ms. Cindell B. Gealan
Ms. Ma. Rosalinda J. Catadman
Ms. Bathaluman H. Gonzales
Ms. Imelda J. Vicedo
Ms. Mylene R. Palino
Mr. Daniel D. Diamzon
Mr. Jimmy Gaviola
Ms. Gina Rowena Nortez
Mr. Eric Jalandoon
morning,
everyone.
On
behalf
of
the
provincial
Unification and Reconciliation, and the Senators party for the Joint
Committee Hearing on the BBL this morning.
I am also acknowledging the presence of distinguished guests
and resource persons and representatives of various sectors of our
society, who, I hope, will be allowed the opportunity to be enlightened,
clear whatever doubts and concerns they may harbor on the crafting of
a law defining the future of the region.
Sa totoo lang, hindi naman talaga ang BBL mismo ang pinaguukulan ng pansin ng mga karaniwang tao. Natitiyak ko na karaniwan
sa amin dito ay hindi ukol nang panahon na mabasa man lamang ang
draft law. Ang karaniwang sinasabi sa mga usap-usapan sa tabi-tabi
na ang MILF na daw ang papalit sa pamamahala ng ARMM at ng mga
lalawigan na sakop nito. Hindi po natin masisisi ang mga tao sapagkat
ang issue ng BBL ay hindi lubusang naipaliwanag sa amin at sa
karaniwang
mamamayan
upang
lubusan
nilang
maunawaan
at
Governor Tan.
I would, at this point, now call to order.
We call to order the hearing of the Committee on Local
Government of 13 May 2015.
Our agenda today is Senate Bill No. 2408. And to read the title,
it is An Act Providing for the Basic Law for the Bangsamoro, Abolishing
the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao, Repealing for the Purpose
Republic Act No. 9054, Entitled An Act to Strengthen and Expand the
Organic Act for the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao, and
Republic Act No. 6734, Entitled An Act Providing for An Organic Act for
the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao, and for Other Purposes.
This Senate Bill No. 2408 is more commonly known as the Draft
Bangsamoro Basic Law and that is our agenda for today.
of
the
Bangsamoro
Transition
Commission:
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THE
CHAIRMAN
Kalingalan Caluang;
Mayor
Sitti
Hayudini,
MARCOS).
represented
Jikiri,
Berto,
Municipality
Asmadun,
Municipality
of
Saripuddin
Zhudurie
(SEN.
by
Councilor
Municipality
of
of
of
Mayor
Kabir
Nasser Hayudini;
Indanan;
Pandami;
Municipality
Municipality of Maimbung;
Talipao;
Lugus;
Mayor
Mayor
Mayor
Intan
Mayor
Al-
Samier
Tan,
Villanueva;
Mohammad;
local
leader,
Professor
Abubakar
Datu Albi
Atty.
on
Islam
and
Democracy;
Edmund
Tayao,
11
at
habang
iniimbistigahan
ang
mga
pangyayari
sa
Kayat ang
12
13
My position is this.
most
basic
question
that
the
proposed
bill
on
the
by the MILF, Moro Islamic Liberation Front, not only in words, but with
guns.
What could bring just and lasting peace to southern Philippines?
The resounding answer is the Bangsamoro with its basic
Bangsamoro Basic Law!
It must be
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approved because it is the only hope for peace in Mindanao and Sulu
archipelago.
Will it really bring peace?
I have been assigned here in the Apostolic Vicariate of Jolo
comprising the province of Sulu and Tawi-Tawi since 1999. As pastoral
coordinator and executive director of the Vicariate Justice, Peace, and
Integrity of Creation Ministry. I have conducted and participated in so
many peace related seminars and trainings in Jolo, Tawi-Tawi,
Zamboanga, Davao, Cotabato, Sultan Kudarat, Cagayan de Oro, Cebu,
Iloilo, Manila, Baguio, and even in Rome, Italy and in the USA.
We
following:
worst for Sulu and Tawi-Tawi who have all kinds of natural resources;
they are composed of so many islands. They are so far from the rest
and if the center of autonomy is in Cotabato area, they will be losing
and missing a lot. They are at the margin of Philippine leadership and
more so, even in an autonomy/mrjc
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MR. VILLANUEVA.
lurking somewhere?
No. 4, what about the minorities, indigenous peoples, Christians
living in the geographical bounderies if they have civil or criminal cases
like
land-grabbing,
Will the
new
temptation would be that those of radical minds among them will seek
independence.
centuries. They were much ahead in the islands of Sulu and has been
in public governance at least 200 years before Magellan came to the
islands and give the name Las Islas Pilipinas. More than likely, their
demand will include all of Mindanao and Palawan. If that happens, we
will experience the greatest civil war there is. It might even result into
Muslims against Christians. I pray to the God of peace that this will
not happen. I do not want to lose the Muslims that I have learned to
love.
Thus, Im appealing to the President, to the MILF leadership and
to all those involved in the peace process, to all those who are sincere
in seeking for genuine, just and lasting peace in southern and western
Mindanao. It is still possible to postpone the approval so that a better
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Father, for your position which I will encapsulate, that there are
problems, as he has pointed out in the position paper, as to the
participation of the MNLF in the entire peace process.
And this is a
point that has been made several times over the hearings and it is an
important point that thein fact, even the OIC, the Organization for
Islamic Cooperation, pointed it out that the MNLF must be included in
all of these talks for it to succeed.
after all, they were the original organization which everyone was
dealing with the Philippine government, the OIC and all its memberstates and had come to two agreements with the Republic of the
Philippines, namely, the Tripoli Agreement of 1976 and finally, the
Jakarta Agreement of 1996.
So that is one of the more complicated problems that we are
having to deal with.
agreements
of
1976,
the
Tripoli
Agreement,
and
the
Jakarta
Agreement of 1996.
Furthermore, Father Villanueva has pointed out that we are
beginning to inch towards the idea of federalism in this country.
To
recount a little bit of our history, there was alreadybaka hindi ninyo
na naaalala pero noong Interim Batasang Pambansa, ang pagboto ng
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of the municipalities of
why not allow the MNLF representative to sit down in the ongoing
talks, even as an observer only. I was advisedbhg
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MR. HASHIM.
government
and
the
government,
unfortunately,
was
reluctant. I tried to contact some leaders of the MILF. The reason was
that this is now the time for them to talk on the ongoing peace
process.
governance and conflict of territory. This is our problem now with the
passage of the BBL, which is now under consideration. It seems to me
that the voice of the MNLF came too late. But with your presence here
today, we hope that you would be able to protect the legacy of your
late father, Ferdinand Marcos.
the Moro National Liberation Front at the height of conflict from 1998
up to 1974. If I vividly remember it right, your father sent emissary, I
talked to the MNLF by saying that you could ask anything under the
heat of the sun except independence. The demand of the Moros, as
headed by the MNLF, was not for autonomy. Autonomy was given to
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They
the Tripoli and Jakarta Accord into the BBL. Unfortunately, ourin the
MI refused and the government panel also refused. According to Iqbal,
when we had a talk on the auspices of the OIC under thehe said,
This is a done deal, we cannot do anything. Indeed, the matter is now
before the Senate and before the House of Representatives.
In this connection, Your Honor, unless and until the government
of the Philippines and the OIC and with the help of the Senate and
Congress would be able to find a formula, Im afraid that theof lasting
peace upon signing of the Bangsamoro Basic Law may not come to
realization.
conflict in Mindanao not only in the Sulu area but the whole of
Mindanao.
We had then a
government.
Long before
the ARMM Law mean the abrogation also of the two previous
agreements?
I would like to state from the legal point of view that the Tripoli
Agreement is an international law and per Constitution of the
Philippines, it says that the Philippines renounces war as an instrument
of national policy and adopt the policy of freedom, equality, justice,
cooperation and amity with all nations. By abolishing ARMM, by legal
implication, the two previous agreements will also be abolished, then
our people, the Bangsamoro people headed by the Moro National
Liberation Front and their final peace agreement will then be abolished.
We would like to state here that we have no other alternative.
We have to exercise our last option, and the last option is
independence.
Thank you.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). Thank you very much, Mr.
Mujahab.
Before you leave the microphone, I would just like to ask a very
basic question. Mr. Mujahab, you have raised a point that has begun
to surface, that has begun to come out during the hearings especially
after the uprising in Zamboanga and some of the other actions that
were taken, that were claimed by the MNLF in protest to the continuing
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option,
Your
Honor,
is
assuming--and
believe
that/imee
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MR. HASHIM. and I believe that come what may, the BBL will
be passed even on its watered-down version. So there will be a future
Bangsamoro entity. So in a way, this will go through the plebiscite, so
I have talked to the OIC and even to our brothers in the MILF that
whatever areas will vote in favor of the future Bangsamoro entity, they
will just concentrate on their own respective area and they should not
go beyond. And in this connection, I am respectfully suggesting that
certain provisions on the BBL which says that 10 percent of a certain
locality outside of the core area can petition and join in. So we hope
that this be deleted from the BBL.
now, and the matter is now for Congress and the Senate.
And with
due respect, it seems that our good President Benigno Aquino, is close
to the idea really of including the MNLF on the ongoing BBL and also in
the establishment of the future Bangsamoro entity.
So again, Excellency, Your Honor, please, why not go back to the
old Regions IX and XII of your late father? There was relative peace at
that time. We were not at war with each other. Only the problem now
is of course my good friend Lobregat is saying. But on this line, Your
Honor, this is a legal move because Regions IX and XII and Region IX
came to exist by virtue of a plebiscite conducted.
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core
territory.
One,
that
the
so-called
opt-in
later on.
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barakatuh.
I was at the library of the University of the Philippines sometime
in 1973 and I had a chance to look into the newspaper a report on a
meeting at Malacaang presided by the late President Marcos in the
presence of his Cabinet members and the generals.
The late President asked how long it would take the Philippine
government to subdue the MNLF rebellion in the Southern Philippines.
The late Commodore Hernandez answered it will not take more than
three months.
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The
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MR. MOHAMMAD.
hopeI agree with the MNLF Mujahab. Well, what chance Bongbong
has to become president?
[applause]
great father. The Tripoli Agreement, Carmelo Barbero who was then a
Defense undersecretary was sent by the late president to Libya to sign
with Brother Nur the so-called Tripoli Agreement in 1976. But we all
know what happened.
will
continue
Bangsamoro people.
neglecting,
discriminating
against
the
This development
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be shared? And by whom? The would share the resources and the
power, Your Honor?
Brother Nur has been going around the world telling people that he will
bring to the Hula, Agama, and Bangsa.
time from the founding of the or Islam. And almost half a century,
but look at Allah, my native community.
Look at Takut-Takut, my
Okay.
Yes.
Now,
Honor, just this morning when I came here I met some friends who are
sympathetic still with Brother Nur.
majority of the Tausug leaders have gone to the office of the Provincial
Governor, Abdusakur Tan II, who informed the governor that, Sorry,
they are opposed to the signing of the BBL by Congress, Your Honor.
Because they said that the powers that be, could it be the Aquino
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35
MR. JULKARNAIN.
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MR.
JULKARNAIN.
distinguished
guests,
ladies
and
gentlemen.
I am representing the voice of the royal datus and families and
other adherents of the Sultanate of Sulu.
As you have observed, Honorable Senator, all these people
presenting talks about their opinions but I have never heard talking
about Sulu Sultanate when, in fact, Sulu Sultanate is known
internationally.
not given any chance to talk before a forum like this. I will not talk
further but I have prefer to read our petition.
This petition is from the royal concernedI repeatconcerned
royal datus, royal princesses, dayang-dayangs, sharifs, traditional
leaders, religious leaders and adherents to the honorable members of
Philippine Congress to exclude the historical statehood realm of the
Sultanate of Sulu and North Borneo from the administrative jurisdiction
of proposed Bangsamoro juridical entity as stipulated in the draft
Bangsamoro Basic Law.
Whereas, we, the royal datus, royal princesses, sharifs and
other traditional leaders of the Sultanate of Sulu and North Borneo,
without any element of coercion, degree of influence or iota of
pressure from any individual or institution, hereby collectively and
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for the
not colonial possession, was sold and ceded by Spain to the United
States being the best victor of the Spanish-American regime.
As tragic consequence of the illegal sale and cession of
Sultanate of the Sulu in North Borneo, the United States by Spain, the
Americans took possession of this territory starting May 19, 1899. And
shortly after, joined it arbitrarily with the Sultanate of Mindanao to
form a military district and later on, was organized as a Moro Province
by virtue of the Philippine Commission Act 781 in June 1901.
In 1924, a petition was addressed to the United States Congress
by the delegation of Sulu sultan and royal datus during their visit to
Governor Wood Misson(?).
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MR. JULKARNAIN.
as
enshrined
and
guaranteed
in
the
Universal
Datu.
I would just like to ask a very quick question. You have in one of
your paragraphs that this petition be officially furnished His Excellency,
the president of the United States through the ambassador of the
United States to the Philippines, has this been done?
Have you
waiting for your advice. Why we are doing this? Because the United
States was part of destroying the institution of Sultanate of Sulu and
maybe by this time they will realize their mistakes. But if you will not
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give any advice today, then we are going to proceed sending the copy
of this petition to the United States ambassador
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS).
CHAIRMAN
(SEN.
MARCOS).
Thank
you,
Datu
Julkarnain.
I think since we have started on the subject of the Sultanate of
Sulus role in history and the evolution of this entire situation, I think it
is time that we hear from the secretary general of the Sultanate of
Sulu and North Borneo, Abraham Idjirani. He is today the spokesman
of Sultan Ismael Kiram II.
So, Secretary General, if you would now please take the floor
and please present the position that you have transmitted to the
Committee.
MR. IDJIRANI. Thank you very much, Your Honor.
The
honorable
Senator
Ferdinand
Romualdez
Marcos;
the
Sulu;
members
of
the
Bangsamoro
Transition
Commission;
This is a
Toto
honorable
Vice
Governor
Hadji
Abdusakur Tan.
At the outset, Your Honor, may I strongly suggest in view of the
fact
that
you
now
consider
the
historical
background
which,
unfortunately, under the BBL, the historical background was not the
basis of formulating the issue for a separate Senate committee hearing
in Manila inviting all the sultanates and the royal families in the
province of Sulu, including Sultanate of Maguindanao who--I can attest
to the fact that during the sultanates meeting in Maguindanao, the
Sultanate of Maguindanao was the first to oppose for the signing of
their endorsement regarding the Bangsamoro Basic Law.
Therefore, Your Honor, again I would like to reiterate inasmuch
as your presence resembled that of history when only your late father
was the only president, except President Diosdado Macapagal, who
willingly invited the royal families comprising the descendants of late
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Sultan Ismael Kiram I, of the late Sultan Punjungan Kiram and other
nine principal heirs for a Malacaang meeting in order to resolve the
issue of Sabah which, unfortunately, became the prelude of the
Mindanao conflict.
Your Honor, the BBL is drafted in haste.
Your Honor, that upon the signing of the December 10, 1898 Treaty of
Paris, the same political mode was adopted when Mindanao, Sulu and
Palawan was ceded unfortunately by Spain to the United States of
America.
the Jama
Mapun, the Iyakans and other highlanders that are inhabitants of the
Sulu archipelago.
like the local government units of Sulu and the Sultanate of Sulu are in
one with the Filipino people in the search for peace and unity.
However, Your Honor, the only difference that the mode that we would
like to achieve is different from that of the MILF and, therefore, we
appeal to the national government/imee
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MR. IDJIRANI.
United Nations Convention Law of the Sea which occupies more than
200 nautical miles.
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Now, the function of ketu kampung, Your Honor, may not be the
same as that of the council of leaders to be drafted in the BBL but it
has to define who are these council of leaders in order, for instance, if
the BBL wishes to involve the participation of the sultanates in the
archipelago of Sulu in a private capacity, then it would provide
enhancement of cooperation in protecting the territorial boundary of
the Sulu archipelago which I believe the Honorable Governor of Sulu,
Abdusakur Toto Tan, and the Vice Governor of Sulu, Hadji Abdusakur
Tan, would not like the future generations to shoulder the high cost of
defending national territories and boundaries.
For this, Your Honor, let me go to the third fact of opposing the
BBL on the part of the Sultanate of Sulu. Article VII, Section 5 of the
BBL on Classification and Allocation of Seats. Now, to us, Your Honor,
to the Bangsa-Sulu people in the archipelago of Sulu who are
marginalized by the 40 years of conflict, would like to appeal to Your
Honor because this provision, if not rectified, would undermine the
weak, the poor, and the least affluent candidate seeking a seat in
public office.
Your Honor, if the BBL intends to establish a parliamentary
system, then the allocation and classification of seats must be
patterned like that of Great Britain and Northern Ireland whereby, Your
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In the Bahasa,
In order that by
thats the only time that his function and powers can be officially and
legally considered.
Fifth fact of opposing the BBL, Your Honor, which I need not to
emphasize more because it is in the position paper that we have
submitted to you, why the MILF-led BBL did not tackle the socioeconomic conditions, political status, and present predicament of
Filipino refugees in Sabah? Is it the dictation of external forces, Your
Honor?
Now, I need not explain more because there are many speakers
which also the explanation is found in the position paper we have
submitted to your secretariat, copy furnished the office of the
Governor including different embassies which we, if we return to
Manila, we will provide all, the position paper of the Sultanate to be
submitted and delivered personally by the Secretary General to the
different embassies.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS).
think for the enlightenment of those who have not read the position
paper, please expand on the fifth fact wherein the social economic
conditions/cbg
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THE
CHAIRMAN
(SEN.
MARCOS).
social
economic
The
Therefore, Your
requested the new president of the Republic of the Philippines for the
creation and establishment of their Sabah Refugee Commission so that
if there are situations like this in the future to come up, the President
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Idjirani,
not
only
for
very
eloquent
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prerogatives that have been recognized bynot only Spain, but the
United States and, subsequently, the Republic of the Philippines. That
is a point again that has been made not only by previous speakers but
also in other hearings.
the
comprehensive
agreement
and
the
framework
agreement, and finally the drafting of the BBL, the Sultanates were not
consulted at any point in the process. And to remedy the situation, I
have scheduled on May 18 a hearing specifically dedicated to all the
Sultanates and I would like to remind them of our invitation to come to
Manila to bring their opinions to Congress so that we can say thatI
beg your pardon.
May 18, May 25. May 18 is, in fact, the hearing that is dedicated to
the MNLF. So these are the two hearings that are going to be following
our hearings here and in Zamboanga. And so, please, all of those who
have something to say, and have an opinion to express are invited to
do so in those hearings.
Once again to return to the position paper of Secretary-General
Idjirani, the plight of Filipino refugees in Northern Sabah is also a point
which has been made, and I have to agree, and I have to accept that
this is the first time that an advocacy has been made specifically for
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those Filipino refugees who, at this moment, are still in limbo in terms
of their status, and in terms of their lives, as their lives have been put
on hold. And the policy of Malaysia towards them has not really been
clarified. So I think that is essentially what the Secretary-General had
hoped to communicate, and the Committee has heard your opinions as
representative of the Sultanate of Sulu.
paper
from
the
Tausug
Active
Youth
Organization,
Incorporated. Could I call on now Timonthy Ijiran to take the floor and
present their position paper. [applause]
MR. ISMAEL. assalamu alaikum warahmatulahi wa barakatuh.
On behalf of Mr. Timothy Ijiran, I am Aljiber Ismael, vice
president of Tausug Active Youth Organization, Incorporated.
Your Honor, and members of the Senate committees, maraming
salamat po sa pahintulot makapagbigay ng pahayag/mrjc
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MR. ISMAEL.
uncles
have
shed
the
lives
for
they
realized.
Ang
Philippine
Constitution,
asserting
our
constitutional
right,
and
National
Youth
Commission--registered
activated
among
Filipino
youth,
only
we
should
be
given
equal
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regarding
the
position
paper
of
Tausug
Active
Youth
Organization Incorporated.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS).
Aljiber Ismael.
Will the lady please, kindly introduce yourself? Hindi ka namin
nailista dito sa magsasalita. So please.
MR. ISMAEL.
Yes.
I understand.
But
you have asked the young lady to be the one to articulate the other
points that you would like to make. We would just like to identify her
for the record.
MS. KAHALAN.
Good afternoon.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS).
MS.
KAHALAN.
Tausug
Good afternoon.
Active
Youth
Organization,
in
Sulu.
Position
paper
on
the
youth
sectoral
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The law
include a reserve seat for the youth to take part in the Bangsamoro
parliament.
Timothy A.
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Yes, sir.
Thank you very much for your position, unless theres something
else youd like to add--no. Okay.
Thank you.
MS. KAHALAN.
Thank you.
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Autonomy and Governance. He will be giving us the joint position of-He is joined by Professor Rey Danilo Lacson, also of the Institute for
Autonomy and Governance; and also Ms. Fatima Rasul, the Philippine
Council on Islam and Democracy; Atty. Salma Rasul, Philippine Council
on Islam and Democracy; Professor Edmund Tayao of LOGODEF and
Atty. Meltino Sibulan of--Im sorry, he is not included in that group.
So, Atty. Bacani, perhaps you could explain the position paper
that the academe group, we will call you, the think tanks and the
academe have come up with. So, Atty. Bacani, please proceed.
MR. BACANI.
We are a consortium of
think tanks thats running a program called Pro-Politics for Peace and
we do studies, we do consultations on how to improve the political
environment for the Mindanao peace process in general, which means
the broader peace process and not just the GPH-MILF peace process.
So we are independent organizations.
government, nor are we affiliated with any of the Moro fronts, nor are
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here in Sulu and I would like, for the record, to submit to the
Secretariat the policy reports of those consultations that have been
made. So we will submit these to the Secretariat.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). Yes. Thank you. We would
be happy to receive those reports.
MR. BACANI.
out the dominant themes and issues that have easen in these forum
consultations. Just to inform the Committee on these dominant
themes, there are six or actually six of them, particularly in the
province of Sulu. The first one is, we call it inclusivity, the issue of
inclusivity, and that is inclusivity in both process of coming up with the
BBL and the substance of the BBL. And this includes issues of identity.
We know for a fact that Sulu is the bastion of that proud Tausugs and
the Moro National Liberation Front.
that we have conducted, always the issue of whether the BBL is really
inclusive, whether the mechanisms and institutions that are in the BBL
are actually inclusive of all the groups in the Bangsamoro by ethnicity,
by ideology--of course, as long as the ideology is nonviolent--and by
political persuasion.
So this particular issue can be summarized or capsulized by the
phrase, Kasali ba talaga kami o kami ang target ng BBL? So this has
been a recurring theme in fora involving some political leaders, ARMM
employees because of the abolition of the Autonomous Region in
Muslim Mindanao.
security of tenure. One of the things that have been mentioned here, I
was surprised myself, Mr. Senator, because when we talk of issue of
inclusivity, we always just look at representation on whether they are
represented in parliament or whether you can participate in elections
or whether you can be elected upon.
constitutional offices came up as-THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). As it has come up in every
single hearing that we have conducted.
MR. BACANI.
Yes.
Now, I would like to point out that this, in the end, is not an
issue of--is not a legal or constitutional issue but issue of trust also of
people, groups trusting each other that they are able to look at the
BBL and looking at institutions from a structural point of view.
Therefore, there has been opposition raised against the Comelec
because of control of the electoral system, the CSC or the COA-whether it can really be nonpartisan, if theres a regional COA or
Comelec. So again, I said this is an issue of trust but, as you know,
trust is something that is built through processes also of inclusive
participation in the crafting of policies.
The second, Your Honor, is the role of LGUs and its relations with
the regional government. So that came out very, very strongly also in
all these fora.
Yes.
during the transition, the concern is more during the transition when
the MILF will be at the helm of the transition. And if the MILF will act
as the parliament of the Bangsamoro within the transition, so now it
also depends on the powers of the BTA. So there is fear that there will
be--you know, policies that will be formulated in the interest of good
governance. I dont know what you call it. If you call it reforms, it
will affect what they call it, power relations, power holders. So the
concern is there. In fact, some are saying about the appointment of
OICs. For instance, LGUs will be abolished. Or not LGUs, you know,
but the terms of office/imee
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MR. BACANI.
Okay.
We are just
reporting to you, Your Honor, what have been coming out because its
very important to note also that in all these forum that we have
conducted, people are very, very supportive, whether they are political
leaders, theyre MNLF, they are supportive of the peace process.
Okay.
They want peace. Okay. This is not a question, but the question is
how you attain peace.
therefore, is that the guarantees that are put in the Local Government
Code are not sufficient?
MR. BACANI. Yes. Because the parliament
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). Because there is a fear that
they will be superseded?
MR. BACANI. Yes.
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Okay.
including IAG, if I may say, okay, we say that, You know, we are
advocates of regional autonomy and we say that once powers are
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It is
operational.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). Yes.
MR. BACANI. Which means that those at the level where
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS).
powers.
MR. BACANI. Not powers.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). Administration.
MR. BACANI. Yeah. This is totally different, the issue of
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purpose and action. So thats why unless this law really clarifies what
that relationship between the LGUs and the regional government will
be under this Bangsamoro setup, then therell be a lot of speculation
and you will end up with a dysfunctional relations between LGUs and
the Bangsamoro government just as the relationship now between
ARMM and its constituent LGUs are actually dysfunctional.
So you know very well that LGUs now, if given the chance, okay,
will leave the ARMM precisely because they look at the ARMM as just
another layer in this bureaucracy.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). Another ineffective layer
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MR. BACANI.
the
Regional
Local
Government
Code,
to
have
primary
Yes.
that the CAB relates to the relationship. The CAB, and of course, thats
why the BBL implements the CAB, it relates.
relates to the relationship between national and the regional. But you
cannot talk about the Bangsamoro government without the LGUs,
because the LGUs are the primary implementers and frontline in the
delivery of basic services.
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clarify this relationship because now this relationship also is, you know,
as worded now based on our consultations again, now Im not making
any judgment but based on our consultations, are really generating a
lot of mistrust and distrust, some based on lack of information, but
some are valid arguments. And, therefore, I think theres a need to
sort that out.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). Yes. Well, that is certainly
clear because the declaration that the ARMM was a failed experiment
which even provide some of the foundation and the basis for this entire
process.
things that we are doing with ARMM, that lack of definition of the
sharing of powers, shall we say, between the regional government and
the local government.
government.
It
is
not
very
helpful
because
all
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MR. BACANI..
thats the logical thing to do. But the problem now is that there are
problems because of feeling of inclusivity. So that means they really
dont trust parliament to do it. Its the same as issues also of the IPs,
et cetera.
Please do.
We always
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So, I do not
We cannot issue an
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The
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So
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included in the draft. Perhaps maybe instead of the wali, the sultan
would probably be the better individual to place and put on a rotating
basis, so you have the three sultanates represented. This will actually
reflect the culture and traditions of the five ARMM provinces and the
three sultanates of Sulu, Maguindanao, and Lanao.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS).
you say, in your view, it is the wali. Who becomes a wali ? How do
you become one? Are you chosen? Do you study to become a wali?
Are you picked by the sultan?
MS. S. RASUL.
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explain all of the concepts and findings that you have had over your
consultation?
MR. BACANI.
Senator.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). Yes, please.
MR. BACANI. A brief, brief one.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). No, I was just going to say,
feel free to go into as much detail as you can.
MR. BACANI. Okay.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). Because, as you know, you
are dealing with many non-Muslims/mrjc
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at
this
particular
part
of
the
BBL,
Article
VI,
In other words,
So we
might end up, you know, being dependent again on the implementing
rules and regulations and thatah, theres no IRRor the decisions
that will be between the central and the regional government.
does not define what is the composition of the IGR.
One
It doesnt say
whether theres a particular office for it, the composition for it and it is
not clear how it relates to the Bangsamoro government and the
parliament.
which to me are very important like customs tariff and even the power
generation distribution. That will have to be subject to IGR.
So again, this might affect the relations between the region and
the central government.
Thats it.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS).
me, raisesmaybe we can call it something else. Maybe its just the
name thats a little alarming.
MR. TAYAO.
Thats right.
many aspects of the BBL which we could see would run counter to
national policy.
provincial
government.
governor,
negotiating
anything
with
the
national
Government Code, these are the different IRRs, this is what you
follow. And I cannot see why a regional government should be any
different.
MR. TAYAO.
Thats right.
problematic, in my view.
MR. TAYAO.
Okay.
Yes.
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MR. BACANI. I would like to just look at the big picture with
respect to intergovernmental relations board.
We must understand that its important to provide those wanting
to be mainstreamed or those rebel groups joining government
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS).
MR. BACANI.
Go ahead. Im sorry.
body
there
implementation issues.
is
the
oversight
committee
looking
at
In 2013.
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Okay.
substantive law but also a process law which means that you can
provide
mechanisms
there
where
we
can
continue
all
these
sabihin
nating,
parliamentary,
democratic,
that
enough
constitutional court. This would have been the right forumyou bring
these issues and immediately, these can be decided, addressed.
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misgivings that we have all expressed so that they can arrive at a good
compromise which has sometimes been defined as where every party
is equally unhappy.
MR. BACANI. Thank you, Your Honor.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS).
Last on our list before I open the floor to those who would like to
speak up on the issue, representing the mayors of the Province of
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Sulu, may we call onto give their position, the mayor of Jolo, Mayor
Hussin Amin.
Mayor, please, you have the floor.
[Applause]
MR. AMIN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Bismillah Al-rahman al-rahim
First, Mr. Chairman, you have stated a while ago that there will
be a next scheduled committee meeting in Manila. May I respectfully
request, Your Honor, that the governors of the five provinces within
the area of autonomy or other governors outside of autonomous
region, as you wish to invite. The vice governor and as well as the city
mayors and municipal mayors of the capital town and other mayors
you may wish to invite to have a committee meeting in Manilabrhg
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But, anyway, I
would just like to point some issues regarding the draft BBL.
You
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AMIN.
Practically,
serve
the
three
branches
of
government.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
You know, in the
third
nakikita, including Republic Act 9054 or the mother law, 6734, wala.
It never said that the MNLF has been given power in that Republic Act
9054 and Republic Act 6734. It is only in this draft BBL, a one-sided
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bill. Sad to say, the power has been given to the MILF. You try to look
the BTA, the Bangsamoro Transition Authority. The membership of 50,
including the chairman, shall be recommended to the President for
appointment.
the regional election for the Bangsamoro government under the basic
law shall be held on the first Monday of May 2016. It shall be governed
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Jolo should be
Magulo
district together with the one I have said, iyong 40 percent. Gawin na
lang 90 percent, 10 percent by sectoral para hindi magulo.
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have
enjoyedmodify
and
reform
for
good
governance.
MILF.
gustong sumali? Plus sectoral, isa lang ang makuha nila sa sectoral.
Fifty one plus is majority. They can do what they want.
So the law should be fair.
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never said, MNLF. If you will go back, iyong autonomous region, the
first elected governor is not an MNLF. Even Mujiv Hataman is not an
MNLF. Kasi its open to all. Why not make it open to all? Remove the
word, BTA shall be led by MILF. Parang kino-consider ko that that is
a class legislation.
Now another question that I would like to pose to the Honorable
Chairman, there is a covenant, agreement between the constituent and
the elected officials of the autonomous region.
Covenant.
That is a
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Why do you have to change the autonomous region kung maganda na?
Hindi ba? That is a public pronouncement of the President. What we
need is amendment. Parang sinabi mo kanina masaya lahat. Sabi ni
Manong Enrile, Gusto ko happy kayo lahat. Happy ang MNLF, happy
ang other sectors.
Do you know, Mr. Chairman, when we deliberated Republic Act
9054, walang gulo. Pasok lahat ang gusto. But the problem now we
are crafting the BBL, magulo. What more kung na-approve ito? Mas
lalong magulo. Ngayon nga magulo, di ba?
Another point that I would like to raise, Mr. ChairmanIm really
confused. The Constitution says that autonomous region. There shall
be two autonomous regions. It has been raised by Attorney Bacani, I
think, and then you are now drafting a law, a parliamentary form of
government/cbg
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MR. AMIN.
Ang
Di
That is my point.
I do not
problem. This is one point that might be raised in the Supreme Court.
Ayaw namin na ma-delay pa. Kasi if it will be raised to the Supreme
Court, baka matapos lang ang election hindi na ito magkaroon ng BBL.
I am not against the MI, but ang akin lang naman sinasabi ko lang this
is a one-sided bill, basic law. Dapat sana sinama ang MNLF, sinama
ang local government unit, sinama lahat in the negotiations so that
they can tell the negotiating panel about their interests para walang
gulo. Happy lahat.
Anyway, there will be another scheduled hearing. Karamihan it
was already discussed, and to abbreviate the proceedings, I would like
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to thank you, Mr. Chairman, for coming here explaining to us. But I
would like to tell you frankly dito sa nakikinig na ito only 20 percent,
even 10 percent hindi nila alam ang BBL. I dont know. You can ask
them what is inside the draft BBL. Hindi nila iyon alam.
Thank you very much.
Assalamulalaikum wa rahmatu Allah wa barakatuh.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS).
Mayor Amin for a very down-to-earth and grassroots view of the BBL.
I think it will only be fair before we open the floor to ask Atty.
Julkipli who represents OPPAP here, would you like to respond to some
of the questions and the issues raised that we have heard. Maybe not
only the mayors but other points that were made during the hearing.
MR. JULKIPLI. Mr. Chair, thank you very much.
Actually, for some of the response and some of the clarifications
I would also ask the opportunity to transfer the mic to Undersecretary
Lorena also to get the chance to also speak and clarify on some of the
certain points.
opportunity to clarify some of the more common points that have been
raised. For example, those that have been repeatedly pointed out in at
least two or three of the speakers that we have heard this afternoon.
Among them is, of course, the issue on the waters. There is for us a
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out, Mr. Chair, that although the current draft right now carries with it
an appendix that proposes an initial districting or a partial or
preliminary districting, this is an outstanding proposal.
In fact, we
recognize and our attention has already been called repeatedly to the
fact that there are lapses in this current proposal which is why we have
already declared as early as the initial hearings that this appendix is
not the final one. This is still subject to further change, as in fact, Mr.
Chair, the final districting will have to be determined after the
plebiscite. Because certainly it will be the plebiscite that will determine
what areas will finally be included in the region and, therefore, the
apportioning of the parliamentary districts will have to be done after.
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So the final districting will still have to await the plebiscite. So this is
really just a proposal, a template on how districting might work.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). By what you have just said,
you were saying that it is the template. So whatever the results of the
plebiscite, this is the template that will be applied.
MR. JULKIPLI. As a matter of proposal, Mr. Chair. But again it
is still subject to changes.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). Yes, okay. Yes. Because
the geographical location and its contiguity those things are going to
be of great importance in the definition of the parliamentary districts.
MR. JULKIPLI. Yes, Mr. Chair. Thank you.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). Please carry on, Attorney.
MR. JULKIPLI.
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The qualifications, as
mentioned in the proposal, Mr. Chair, says that the Wali can be any
eminent resident of the Bangsamoro region as nominated by the
council of leaders and appointed by consensus of parliament.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). Okay, I think you know this
point has been raised at every place that weve been gone. Some of it
is just trying to get an explanation.
Why was it conceived that there is a need for separate individual
for ceremonial functions?
Apparently not.
We had
was
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). Yes.
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MR. JULKIPLI.
That in other
parliament
of
the
United
Kingdom.
You
mentioned
the
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performed by certain
The
question about the wali and I think in the Senatenot only in the
Senate but also the House hearings, mukhang naging somethingjust
a point maybe a confusion more than anything else. No one is really
objecting to it but hindi namin masyadong maintindihan ano ba talaga
ang pinanggalingan nito, kung anong tungkulin ng wali and why we
need to have that position.
Usec Lorena I think wants to jump in.
MR. LORENA. On the question you raised because from where
this wali came. There is actually an experience in a neighbor country,
Malaysia and the State of Sabah, where there are no kings and sultans
but there is the code, the term negeri.
and consent, the custodian that would give consent to the abolition or
to the opening.
discussion on this, that is perhaps where the model of the wali was
taken.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS).
Model of?
Im sorry,
the?
MR. LORENA. This is the negeri.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS).
Ah, I see.
he is guardian.
wali.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS).
have had this discussion more than once before. I think the problem
arises from the religious connotation of the wali. I think thats where
the problem is.
Because we
have to close at 2:30. And I would like at least to give the chance to
some of those who have registered to speak so that we can be assured
that at least we have been given the chance to most people.
So Commissioner Tammang.
MR. LORENA. On one point.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS).
Yes, Usec.
MR. LORENA. This is on the issue of why the Sabah issue was
not even in this discussion because Id like to bring to focus that the
Sabah issue was by act of Congress because the filing of the petition
was by the joint resolution of the House and this is more on the
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foreign.
authorized
to
negotiate
and
neither
the
crop
up
the
Thank
you,
Usec.
in form, it is ministerial;
some foreign issues which are not included in the FAB and the CAB, we
cannot do it because we have to observe that we have to confine
ourselves to these two documents. Likewise, Mr. Chair, in the case of
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But, Commissioner, I
dont know why you responded in that way because there is no-quite the opposite is what is being said, that the claim of the
Republic of the Philippines through the Sultanate of Sulu on North
Borneo should not be weakened in any way. And, therefore, thats
why the issue of the definition of Bangsamoro waters becomes an
issue because of the understanding or mistaken or otherwise that
that will be now put under Bangsamoro waters.
The name
because it is the
That is why Im
explaining we were the ones who craft this basic law and we cannot
simply include this because it is not within our province to do that,
Your Honor.
Now, in the case of Section 7, Your Honor, this is only a
policybhg
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MR. TAMMANG.
filed in the Senate and this is the draft bill that was handed by the
President to the Senate president and henceforth introduced by
Senators Drilon, Sotto, Cayetano, Legarda, Recto, Ejercito, Binay,
Escudero, Aquino, Angara, Cayetano, Honasan and Guingona. So the
language is there and that is the concern, The privileges already
enjoyed by the local government units under existing laws shall not be
diminished unless otherwise altered, modified or reformed for good
governance in accordance with a law to be enacted by the Bangsamoro
parliament.
MR. TAMMANG. That is our version, Your Honor.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). That is a--?
MR. TAMMANG.
Transition Commission.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). This is the version--this is
the draft-MR. TAMMANG. That is our version. The one you read is our
version.
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It
The issue of
amend--let
me
read--alter,
modify
or
reform
for
good
So what this
language is saying that the LGUs continue to enjoy the powers, the
devolved functions, the autonomy unless the Bangsamoro parliament
says it does not. I dont know how that is even possible to be done
and, secondly, whatever principle might be behind it is misguided, I
believe.
MR. LORENA. Mr. Chairman, it was given to me--I would just
like to clarify because I was part of those--I was the attorney general
of the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao when 9054 was crafted
and 7160 was crafted. I believe we have to reconcile the provision of
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The autonomous
region, the regional assembly was allowed to crop up its own Local
Government Code.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). Yes.
MR. LORENA. Yeah.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). But you cannot amend by a
local law a national law.
MR. LORENA. No. I am pursuing that because in 7160, there is
a provision which states that the effectivity of Republic Act 7160 with
respect to the local governments in the ARMM is effective only until
such time that the ARMM can crop up its own Local Government Code.
So I think we have to look into these two provisions for clarity
purposes because it seems to be conflicting. Because if the effectivity
of 7160 will no longer continue when the ARMM will crop up its own
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Local Government Code, then the Local Government Code of the ARMM
will become the Local Government Code. That is why in the crafting of
this BBL, if I may suggest, the two provisions should be looked at, I
think to be reconciled.
ahead of 7160 but 9054 was passed after the devolution to the
provinces had been done.
Thank you.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). So I think that one of the
simple solutions here is to strike everything after diminished.
Anyway, thats in another proposal. Anyway, as I said, I dont want
to--We will be discussing this at great length, no doubt. But I would
very much like to at least give a chance to those that took the trouble
to register their desire to speak today.
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So I will just go down by the list. First come, first served na lang
ang gawin natin and hopefully, we can go down the list as much of the
speakers as possible.
The first name on the list is Sali Abdulmajid who is a member of
the Sulu Alliance for Peace and Development. Is Mr. Abdulmajid still
here? Yes.
Please, you have the floor.
MR. ABDULMAJID. [Muslim Prayer] Bismillah Hir Rahman Nir
Raheem
Honorable Senator Ferdinand Marcos Jr., our Honorable Governor
Abdusakur Toto Tan and, of course, our elders governor, Abdusakur
Tan Sr.
Mr. Senator/imee
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MR. ABDULMAJID.
during the time when you visited Zamboanga City you were then still a
civilian or I do not know what is your position there, we were the one
who you spoke in Zamboanga City at the Orchid Hotel and I asked you
one time if you are interested in running of the national office, ang sabi
po ninyo ay kung tutulungan ninyo kami, ganoon. So this time po ako
ay natutuwa at nandito kayo dahil more than 29 years ago, ako po ay
isa sa mga product ng inyong father na noong una po ay binigyan ng
pagkakataon ng inyong tatay. Twenty-nine years ago po ay nawala na
iyong tatay ninyo kaya noong kumandidato po kayo ng Senado, ang
boto po namin sa inyo ay utang na loob namin sa tatay ninyo.
So
Mayroon po kaming
pangatlong
Bangsamoro.
sinasabi
Unang-una,
ko,
tatlo
iyong
po
ang
national
pinaglalaban
identity
which
ng
is
Ang gusto
lang namin iyong kasama sa amin; ang pangatlo po, iyong gobyerno
po na naaayon sa batas ng mga Muslim.
Hindi
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MR. ABDULMAJID.
ang hinihingi po namin sa inyo, tingnan ninyo po. Ang tatay niyo po
pinakamagaling na presidente ng Pilipinas, sasabihin ko sa inyo.
Hanggang ngayon, wala pa kaming nahahanap na katulad ni President
Marcos ang galing. Totoo po iyan. [applause]
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). Thank you.
MR. ABDULMAJID. Kung makikita ninyo po dito na mayroong
mga batas na dapat ninyong gawin, gawin po ninyo.
Gusto namin
Salamat po.
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi taAllah wa barakatuh.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). Thank you very much. Una,
hindi lamang sa inyong pag-alala sa akin
MR. ABDULMAJID. Sali Abdulmajid po.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). Yes, thank you very much
and siyempre lahat ng aming maaaring gawin ay gagawin namin para
maging maayosIm sorry, Professor, we
MR. MOHAMMAD. Can I react to the statement, Your Honor?
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Im afraid not.
You will
take up the time of the others. Im sorry, but we will have to go down
the list.
So, in the interest of good order, the next name on the list is
Abdulajid Estino who represents an NGO, Pazambatazul.
So, Mr. Estino, please.
As a Tausug, I have
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various cropped up issues that have not been discussed probably in the
previous meetings with the previous Committee that has gone to Sulu,
will you agree with me that there still have time to include and
incorporate these sentiments of our brothers of the MNLF, and our
brothers of Sultanate and other sentiments that have been found (?) in
your Committee as chairman of the Local Government Committee in
the House of Senate, Mr. Senator?
Second, the Bangsamoro Transition Authority, though they have
mentioned about the inclusivity of all members of the Bangsamoro in
the entire Bangsamoro area, with the emerging problems of the MNLF,
brother MNLF, and the Sultanate who now appears to be decisive in
their intention to join this peace effort, Mr. Senator, do you think that
the House of Congress, which is not like you who were able to hear
this muchwho were able to hear this decisive discussion today will be
able to comprehend and accept, and agree with you in the time when
the Senate now will call a joint session for this purpose of discussion of
this bill, Mr. Senator?
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the
transition
masyadong mabilis.
commission
has
been
questioned
na
parang
deadlines that have been proposed but, again, the priority is always
going to be the propriety, legality, constitutionality, and enforceability
of the BBL. So that is always our prime concern. We hope to do it in
the timetables and schedules that have been given us, but we will not
compromise the quality of the BBL just to conform to those deadlines.
And as to hearing the comments by joint session, the procedure in the
Congress is to hear it separately, and that is why that is what we have
been doing.
Wed like to now move on to the next speaker, Najar Sariol,
representing MASJID AL-ISLA.
Is Mr. Sariol still here?
Naririnig niyo pa ba ako? Hindi na.
If Mr. Sariol is not available, well go next down the list, the lead
convenor of the Tausug Network, Mr. Edmund Gumbahali.
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However, the
The
that
the
Philippine
government
has
granted
to
the
Bangsamoro people. And now, the fruit of that autonomy, the 9054,
the present ARMM will soon be abrogated and be replaced to the
weakest autonomy that the Philippine government would grant to the
Bangsamoro people.
question why BBL is done in haste. Bakit napakadali, and the process
is too short. It is exclusive/mrjc
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MR. GUMBAHALI.
the MILF.
Can I have somebody to take this for the record of the Senator?
Your Honor, lastly, we would likeI dont delve on the provisions
because we have lots of intellectuals already scrutinized the provisions
of the BBL. But what we are proposing now, as what you have said,
you will not compromise of the time frame given to the Senate. We
demand for the lengthy discussion, lengthy deliberation of this BBL in
order
to
generate
more
wisdom
and
the
legality
and
the
constitutionality should not be the sole basis in crafting this law. The
historical prerogatives should also be considered if you wish to respond
to the wishes and expectations of our people.
And finally, should there be a genuine autonomy because we
know, we can feel and we can see this BBL will be under state of
judicial track of the Supreme Court. We are not praying but we see
the possibility.
But,
again, if we are going to look at the concept and principles behind the
BBL, we cannot help but look to see how the MNLF has to be included,
how the other groups have to be included, how other armed groups
have to be included or if the case is that they abandon the peace
process, then how are we to deal with those armed groups? There is
nothing in the BBL about that, there has been no discussion about
that. It is, I think, one of the weaknesses that the BBL incorporates
into its existence, the fact that it is solely an agreement between the
MILF and the Philippine government.
To proceed to the next speaker, we call on the Fifth Sharia
Circuit CourtMr. Jorshon Hailil who is of the Fifth Sharia Circuit
Court in the Hall of Justice.
Yes. Please take any mike that you have near to you.
MR. HAILIL.
at Patikul, Sulu.
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barakatuh.
Honorable Senator Ferdinand Marcos Jr.; Honorable Abdusakur
Toto Tan II, our provincial governor; and vice governor, Honorable
Abdusakur Tan; distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen, Assalamu
alaikum wa rahmatullahi taAllah wa barakatuh. Good afternoon to all
of you.
We know and we believe peace, unification and reconciliation is
the most important to the Bangsamoro people, lalo na po dito sa amin
sa Sulu. Mr. Senator, we ask a favor, please help us to build a lasting
peace in the entire Bangsamoro homeland because we believe that the
only solution to address our problem is just to keep peace anywhere in
all the time. Let us work together to keep the peace by passing the
BBL without delay and without diluting to the provisions because more
than four decades the Bangsamoro people are becoming more
maginalized compared with the other region.
Thank you po.
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). Thank you.
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That is noted.
portions of the draft BBL but certainly, we will not delay and we will
not stand in the way of the final solution to this problem.
Next on the list that had registered a desire to speak is Zanzibar
Hadjulani, the chairman of the Anak Sug Alliance.
I dont know if I
read that right. Its not very legible. Anak Sug Alliance.
Thank you.
Mr. Hadjulani, you have the floor.
MR. HADJULANI. Bismillah hir rahman nirahim.
Next president of our republic, the honorable Senator Bongbong
Marcos; our beloved governor, Abdusakur Toto Tan; our recognized
supreme leader of the peoples leadership, the honorable Vice
Governor
Lagdameo,
Abdusakur
Tan;
congressman
of
the
honorable
Davao;
the
Congressman
honorable
Anton
guests;
the
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House
of
Representatives,
and
had
submitted
more
than
500
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Magandang-magandang hapon po sa
ating lahat/imee
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Maski
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because
last
year
there
were
series
of
consultations
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and representatives of the MILF, they went around the island provinces
to sell BBL to the people. But the feedback that we received is that
BBL is hardly saleable in the island provinces. Maraming tao, in fact
great majority of the people of the island provinces of Sulu, Tawi Tawi
and Basilan hindi na gustong magtanggap sa BBL. Sabi nila nandiyan
ang 9054.
ang peace negotiation with the MNLF being implemented already and it
is being reviewed by the tripartite meeting pero ang ginawa ng panel
ng government lumukso doon sa ibang peace agreement with the MILF
para magkaroon sila ng another peace agreement.
So, Your Honor, if we are going to hold a plebiscite between now
and June 2015, supposedly the time when this BBL draft will be
enacted in Congress and submitted to the President, I think itong
probinsya dito sa Sulu archipelago, Tawi Tawi, Sulu and Basilan, hindi
sila makasama. Kung hindi makasama because they are objecting the
BBL, ang pinagpawisan ng MNLF sa loob ng more than forty years, four
decades since the time of your father, magigiba.
The territorial
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national
government
to
go
around,
conduct
hearings
and
It is a
panel, we talked face to face with the MILF delegations headed by the
Chief Negotiator Mohagher Iqbal. Our side, we have Attorney Parcasio
and Muslimin Sema. Chairman Misuari was not thereof course Your
Honor knows the reason why he was not there. We tried to establish
harmonization of the two peace agreements because there are two
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MR.
SAHRIN.
to
ensure
the
implementation
of
the
There was no
Yes.
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religious institution.
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MR. A. TAN.
rahmanir
rahim.
wahrahmatullahi
taalla
wabarakatuh.
Senator Marcos, sir, thank you very much for coming down to
Sulu to consult with our people, together with Congressman Lagdameo
at sa ating mga ibang opisyal from the national government, from the
military, from the police and, of course, our mayors who are present
here. Maraming, maraming salamat at nandidito pa kayo.
Actually, this is only about the second time that a consultation
was initiated by people from Manila with our people here in Sulu. The
other consultations that we had were consultations that were initiated
not by the OPAPP, not by any entity, not by the MILF, but by the
provincial government of Sulu because we want to know what is going
to be our future. The only time that consultation started or initiated by
Manila was when Congressman Rufus
by
Senator
Marcos,
accompanied
by
Congressman
I,
myself, have not read it. I asked my lawyers to go over it. I told my
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the Civil
Service, the Comelec, the COA, the National Police Commission, the
Human Rights Commission, and others. The authority does not belong
to Congress.
constitutional offices. But over and above these certain questions that
are peculiar only to the Province of Sulu were also raised. In fact, the
matter of wali, which was raised earlier, we said this time and again
that it is never in the annals or in the history of Sulu was there any
wali.
have the Agung and the chief minister, perhaps there must be a
reason why they do not call it the Sultan of Sulu, as being the Wali
or the head of the state. Because in Malaysia, the head of the state is
the Agung, the head of the government is the prime minister.
So
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Indian Ocean, the Arabian Sea, the South China Sea, the Celebes Sea,
the Red Sea, the Dead Sea, and yet you have the Sulu Sea.
How
many of the countries have this kind of sea? Now, even the Philippine
government, the Christian Philippine government, when they drafted or
gave us certain jurisdiction over our waters, they only call it the
territorial waters of your municipality. And I recall it, the Philippine
territorial waters of that municipality. But right now, what? They call
it The Bangsamoro Territorial Water.
names?
Remember that you can change names, but you can never
change history.
So, I would think, Mr. Chairman, since pagbibigyan ninyo ang
ating mga sultan ng isang araw or at least time to be heard in Manila,
as well as the Moro National Liberation Front, may we ask also that the
local officials, the governors, the five governors, together with capital
town mayors and city mayors be likewise given the same opportunity
so that we can also give our views and sentiments on this BBL? Who
does not like peace? /mrjc
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MR. A. TAN.
you know.
So with this, in a way, hopefully, the invitation will come, I
mean, soon enough. We are very, very much interested to be heard
about the future of our people. The future that does not belong to us
anymore but to our children and the generations to come.
Mga katoto(?) ad mga huran, magsukol hangan sang Tausug.
They always call us Moros. The word Moro came from the
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Spaniards.
We are
Tausug.
Anyway, thank you very much. Wassalamu alaikum.
[Applause]
THE CHAIRMAN (SEN. MARCOS). Thank you very much, Vice
Governor Sakur Tan.
I would just like at this point to thank all of you who have
participated, who have patiently waited to speak and patiently listened
to all the points that have been made.
I take on-board the suggestion of Vice Governor Sakur Tan and
we will look into scheduling a hearing specifically for the local
government executives, both in the proposed Bangsamoro territory
and those whove considered themselves stakeholders in the passage
of the Bangsamoro Basic Law.
With that, thank you all very much.
suspended.
[Applause]
[THE HEARING WAS SUSPENDED AT 2:58 P.M.]
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