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Shah Saaib Ahmed Rabbani

As far as my study on 8 and 20 Raka't of taraveeh is concerner, I found a strong case for 20
raka't. Moreover I found NO BASIS FOR 8 RAKA'T TARAVEEh IN MAJOR HADITH
LITERATURE AND NOTHING AT ALL IN TWO SAHI'S. As far as 20 Rakat taraveeh is
concerned I found much support for it in Hadith literature and consensus of scholars.What I
conclude is that taraveeh is not a compulsory namaz, prophet Muhamma (saw) didn't emphasise
on it much neither did he offer it much nor did he offer it regularly in jamaa't. I found that it was
in the time of Sahaba's that taraveeh goot its root deep in Islamic Society. I also conclude that 20
Raka't taraveeh is what was offered because of lack of evidence for other cases. This is my
personal study and my opinions can change in future. The discussion is always open.
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Mohammed Omar Shah u have got to be kidding me Shah Saaib Ahmed Rabbani..
der r tons of hadiths of prophet (s.a.w praying 8 rakat taraweeh and also him
leading the peple in jamaat for 3 days from bukhari itself
the correct opinion is that 8 rakat is sunnah and more than that (20 45 100 lol) etc
is nafil and mustahab for sahabas did it :)
please research more before concluding like this brother
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Ahmed Raza Bajwa Agreed with Muhammad Omar Shah.
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Shah Saaib Ahmed Rabbani I did enough of research and thats why this
conclusion and do read the last sentence again... :D :D
You say there are tons of hadiths of prophet (saw) prayinf 8 rakat taraweeh... I

wont ak for ton, show us 20 such SAHIH HADITHS.


As for jamaat for 3 days is concerned thats what I said, "neither did he offer it
much nor did he offer it regularly in jamaa't."...
Before commenting read properly... :D
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Mohammed Omar Shah Shah Saaib Ahmed Rabbani Brother didn't u find hadiths
that prophet (s.a.w) prayer 11 rakat in ramadan?? oout of which 3 were witr??
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Muskan Khan http://ualr.edu/ammughal/taraweeh.html ....What u think about..
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Saaib Taaib Ofcoz I got.... You are talking about Hadith from Hadrat Aisha (RA)
found in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. But she was not talking about
Taraveeh but Tahajud. Nowadays some Albanist's (the one accept Sheikh Albani's
(Ra) vverdict on this) argue that tahajud and taraveeh are same. Far from being
same the conclusion itself doesn't have any basis in Sunnah. More problems arise
when we ponder on the Hadith. Why did Aisha (RA) only see Muhamma (saw)
and not offer the taraveeh with him, if it were a taraveeh. Why is it only Aisha
who narrates such a tradition. The biggest problem with the Hadith is the fact that
Aisha (RA) says that prophet used to offer then as 4 and 4 and 3 while Taraveeh is
2 and 2 !nd w and on and on and on...
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Mohammed Omar Shah Shah Saaib Ahmed Rabbani 1) I asked 'Aisha: How is the prayer of Allah's Prophet during the month of
Ramadan. She said: Allah's Prophet never exceeded eleven Rakaat in Ramadan or
in other months; he used to offer four Rakaat-- do not ask me about their beauty
and length, then four Rakaat, do not ask me about their beauty and length, and
then three rakaat.
(Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 21, Number 248)
2) Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas:
that he stayed overnight in the house of Maimuna the wife of the Prophet, his
aunt. He added: I lay on the bed (cushion transversally) while Allah's Prophet and
his wife lay in the length-wise direction of the cushion. Allah's Prophet slept till
the middle of the night, either a bit before or a bit after it and then woke up,
rubbing the traces of sleep off his face with his hands. He then, recited the last ten
verses of Sura Al-Imran, got up and went to a hanging water-skin. He then
Performed the ablution from it and it was a perfect ablution, and then stood up to
offer the prayer. I, too, got up and did as the Prophet had done. Then I went and
stood by his side. He placed his right hand on my head and caught my right ear
and twisted it. He prayed two Rakaat then two Rakaat and two Rakaat and then
two Rakaat and then two Rakaat and then two Rakaat (separately six times), and
finally one Rak'a (the witr). Then he lay down again in the bed till the Muezzin
came to him where upon the Prophet got up, offered a two light rakaat prayer and
went out and led the Fajr prayer
(Volume 1, Book 4, Number 183)
3) Narrated Nafi:
Ibn 'Omar said, "While the Prophet was on the pulpit, a man asked him how to
offer the night prayers. He replied, 'Pray two Rakaat at a time and then two and
then two and so on, and if you are afraid of the dawn (the approach of the time of
the Fajr prayer) pray one Rak'a and that will be the witr for all the Rakaat which
you have offered." Ibn 'Omar said: The last Rakaat of the night prayer should be
odd for the Prophet (SallAllah-u-Alaihi-wa-Sallam) ordered it to be so.
(Volume 1, Book 8, Number 461)
4) Narrated Ibn Omar:
Once a person asked Allah's Prophet (SallAllah-u-Alaihi-wa-Sallam) about the
night prayer. Allah's Prophet replied: The night prayer is offered as two Rakaat
followed by two Rakaat and so on and if anyone is afraid of the approaching
dawn (Fajr prayer) he should pray one rakaah and this will be a Witr for all the
rakaat which he has prayed before. Nafi' told that 'Abdullah bin 'Omar used to say

Taslim between (the first) two Rakaat and (the third) odd one in the Witr prayer,
when he wanted to attend to a certain matter (during that interval between the
Rakaat).
(Volume 2, Book 16, Number 105)
5) Narrated Anas bin Sirin:
I asked Ibn 'Omar, "What is your opinion about the two Rakaah before the fajr
(compulsory) prayer, as to prolonging the recitation in them?" He said: The
Prophet (SallAllah-u-Alaihi-wa-Sallam) used to pray at night two rakaat followed
by two and so on, and end the prayer by one rakaah Witr. He used to offer two
Rakaat before the Fajr prayer immediately after the Adhan." (Hammad, the subnarrator said, "That meant (that he prayed) quickly.)"
(Volume 2, Book 16, Number 109)
6) Aisha reported that the Messenger of Allah (SallAllah-u-Alaihi-wa-Sallam)
used to pray eleven rakaat at night, observing the witr with a single rakaah, and
when he had finished them, he lay down on his right side, till the Muezzin came
to him and he (the Holy Prophet) then observed two short rakaah (of Sunan of the
dawn prayer).
(Book 004, Number 1602)
7) Aisha reported: The Messenger of Allah (SallAllah-u-Alaihi-wa-Sallam) used
to observe thirteen rakaat of the night prayer. Five out of them consisted of witr,
and he did not sit, but at the end (for salutation).
(Book 004, Number 1604)
8) It is reported on the authority of Aisha that the prayer of Allah's Messenger
(SallAllah-u-Alaihi-wa-Sallam) in the night consisted of ten rakaah. He observed
a witr and two rakaah (of Sunan) of the dawn prayer, and thus the total comes to
thirteen rakaat.
(Book 004, Number 1611)
9) Abdullah bin Omar reported: A person asked the Prophet of Allah (SallAllah-uAlaihi-wa-Sallam) as I stood between him (the Holy Prophet) and the inquirer and
he said: Messenger of Allah, how is the night prayer? He (the Holy Prophet) said:
It consists of pairs of rakaah, but if you apprehend morning, you should pray one
rakaah and make the end of your prayer as witr. Then a person asked him (the
Holy Prophet) at the end of the year and I was at that place near the Messenger of
Allah (may peace be upon him); but I do not know whether he was the same
person or another person, but he (the Holy Prophet) gave him the same reply.

(Book 004, Number 1635)


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Saaib Taaib @Omar: Why are you doing cut copy paste... Have not I already
replied to this.... As if I don't know the Hadith...
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Ahmed Raza Bajwa You are so arrogant :)
All the scholars are wrong and you are right??
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Saaib Taaib I didn't say I am right and scholars are wrong.. Read my comments
once again... Don't be arrogant... :D :D
and don't say "All"....
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Ahmed Raza Bajwa Praise be to Allaah.
We do not think that the Muslims should be so sensitive with regard to issues that
are the matter of scholarly differences or make them the cause of division and
fitnah among the Muslims.
Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said, when speaking
about the matter of one who prays ten rakahs with the imam, then sits down and

waits for Witr and does not complete the Taraaweeh prayers with the imam:
It grieves us deeply that we find in the Muslim ummah a group which differs
concerning matters in which differences of opinion are acceptable, and they take
these differences as a means to cause division. Differences within the ummah
existed at the time of the Sahaabah, yet they remained united. The youth in
particular and to all those who are committed to Islam must remain united,
because they have enemies who are laying in wait.
Al-Sharh al-Mumti, 4/225
Two groups have gone to extremes with regard to this matter. The first group
denounced everyone who prays more than eleven rakahs and said that doing so
was bidah. The second group denounced those who do only eleven rakahs and
said that they are going against scholarly consensus (ijmaa).
Let us listen to what Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him)
said:
Here we say that we should not go to extremes or be negligent. Some people go to
extremes in adhering to the number mentioned in the Sunnah, and say that it is not
permissible to do more than the number mentioned in the Sunnah, and they
aggressively denounce those who do more than that, saying that they are sinners.
This is undoubtedly wrong. How can they be sinners, when the Prophet SAWS
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), upon being asked about night
prayers, said that they are to be done two by two, and he did not specify any
particular number? Of course the one who asked him about the night prayer did
not know the number, because if he did not know how to do it, it is even more
likely that he did not know the number. And he was not one of those who served
the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) so that we might say that
he knew what happened inside his house. Since the Prophet (peace and blessings
of Allaah be upon him) told him how to do it but did not say how many times, it
may be understood that the matter is broad in scope, and that a person may pray
one hundred rakahs then pray Witr with one rakah.
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Ahmed Raza Bajwa With regard to the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings
of Allaah be upon him), Pray as you have seen me praying, this does not apply
in absolute terms even for these people. Hence they do not say that a person
should pray Witr with five rakahs sometimes and with seven rakahs sometimes

and with nine rakahs sometimes. If we understand it in absolute terms, then we


would have to pray Witr with five rakahs sometimes and with seven rakahs
sometimes and with nine rakahs sometimes. But what is meant by the hadeeth is
pray as you have seen me praying with regard to how to pray not how many
rakahs, unless there is a text to state what the number is.
Whatever the case, a person should not be strict with people with regard to a
matter that is broad in scope. We have even seen some brothers who are strict on
this matter accusing the imams who pray more than eleven rakahs of following
bidah, and they leave the mosque, thus missing out on the reward of which the
Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: Whoever
stands with the imam until he finishes (the prayer), the reward of qiyaam al-layl
will be recorded for him. (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 806; classed as saheeh by alAlbaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi, 646). Some of them even sit down after
completing ten rakahs, thus breaking up the rows of worshippers by sitting there,
and sometimes they start talking and disturb the people who are praying.
We have no doubt that their intentions are good and they are doing their best to
come to the right conclusion, but that does not mean that they are correct.
The other group does the opposite. They sternly denounce those who pray only
eleven rakahs and say that they have gone against scholarly consensus. Allaah
says (interpretation of the meaning):
And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad) after the
right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers
way, We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell what
an evil destination!
[al-Nisa 4:115]
All the generations who came before you only knew the number as twenty-three
rakahs, and they denounce anyone who says anything different.
Al-Sharh al-Mumti, 4/73-75
With regard to the evidence quoted by those who say that it is not permissible to
do more than eight rakahs in Taraaweeh, they quote the hadeeth of Abu Salamah
ibn Abd al-Rahmaan, who asked Aaishah (may Allaah be pleased with her),
How did the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
pray during Ramadaan? She said: He did not pray more than eleven rakahs in
Ramadaan or at other times. He would pray four, and do not ask how beautiful
and long they were, then he would pray four, and do not ask how beautiful and
long they were, then he would pray three. I said, O Messenger of Allaah, will you
sleep before you pray Witr? He said, O Aaishah, my eyes sleep but my heart
does not.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1909; Muslim, 738


They said: This hadeeth indicates that the Messenger of Allaah was consistent in
his prayers at night in Ramadaan and at other times.
The scholars refuted this use of the hadeeth as evidence by saying that this is what
the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did, but the
fact that he did something does not imply that it is obligatory.
The evidence that there is no set number for prayers at night which include
Taraaweeh is the hadeeth of Ibn Umar according to which a man asked the
Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about prayer at
night. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: Prayers at
night are to be offered two by two (two rakahs at a time). If any of you fears that
the time of dawn is approaching then let him pray one rakah as Witr.
(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 846; Muslim, 749)
If we look at what the scholars of the prominent schools of thought said, you will
clearly see that this matter is broad in scope and that there is nothing wrong with
doing more than eleven rakahs.
Al-Sarkhasi, who is one of the imams of the Hanafi school, said:
It is twenty rakahs, apart from Witr, in our view.
Al-Mabsoot, 2/145
Ibn Qudaamah said:
The favoured view according to Abu Abd-Allaah (i.e., Imam Ahmad, may Allaah
have mercy on him), is that it is twenty rakahs. This was the view of al-Thawri,
Abu Hanfeefah and al-Shaafai. Maalik said it is thirty-six.
Al-Mughni, 1/457
Al-Nawawi said:
Taraaweeh prayer is Sunnah according to scholarly consensus. Our view is that it
is twenty rakahs with ten tasleems, and it is permissible to pray it individually or
in congregation.
Al-Majmoo, 4/31
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Ahmed Raza Bajwa These are the views of the four imams concerning the number
of rakahs of Taraaweeh prayer. All of them said something more than eleven
rakahs. Perhaps the reasons why they said something more than eleven rakahs
include the following:
1- They thought that the hadeeth of Aaishah did not mean that this was the
specific number.
2- A greater number was narrated from many of the salaf.
See al-Mughni, 2/604; al-Majmoo, 4/32
3- The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to pray eleven
rakahs and make them very lengthy, so much so that it used to take him most of
the night. Indeed, one night in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah
be upon him) led his companions in praying Taraaweeh, he did not end his prayer
until just before dawn, and the Sahaabah feared that they would miss suhoor. The
Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) loved to pray behind the Prophet
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and they did not feel that it was too
long. The scholars thought that if the imam made the prayer so long, this would
be too difficult for the members of the congregation and that might put them off.
So they thought that the imam should make the recitation shorter and increase the
number of rakahs.
The point is that the one who prays eleven rakahs in the manner narrated from
the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is doing well and is
following the Sunnah. Whoever makes the recitation shorter and increases the
number of rakahs is also doing well. A person who does either of these two
things is not to be denounced. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said:
If a person prays Taraaweeh according to the madhhabs of Abu Haneefah, alShaafai and Ahmad, with twenty rakahs, or according to the madhhab of Maalik,
with thirty-six rakahs, or with thirteen or eleven rakahs, he has done well, as
Imam Ahmad said, because there is nothing to specify the number. So the greater
or lesser number of rakahs depends on how long or short the qiyaam (standing in
the prayer) is.
Al-Ikhtiyaaraat, p. 64
Al-Suyooti said:
What is narrated in the saheeh and hasan ahaadeeth is the command to observe

night prayers during Ramadaan, which is encouraged without specifying a


particular number. It is not proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah
be upon him) prayed twenty rakahs of Taraaweeh, rather that he prayed at night,
with an unspecified number of rakahs. Then he delayed it on the fourth night lest
it become obligatory for them and they might not be able to do it. Ibn Hajar alHaythami said: There is no saheeh report that the Prophet (peace and blessings of
Allaah be upon him) prayed twenty rakahs of Taraaweeh. The narration which
suggests that he used to pray twenty rakahs is extremely weak (daeef).
Al-Mawsooah al-Fiqhiyyah, 27/142-145
So you should not be surprised that people pray Taraaweeh as twenty rakahs.
There have been generation after generation of those imams (who used to pray
twenty rakahs), and all of them are good.
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Ahmed Raza Bajwa If you have read few ahadeeth it does not make you a scholar,
and you have no right to issue fatwa, you have no right to criticize scholars who
devoted their whole life on studying Islam, you have no right to create division
amongst Ummah.
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Saaib Taaib Copy paste from Islamqa I just hate Sheikh Google... I have already
read these and thats why I said "As far as my study is concerned...."
i didn't make the statement in air. I made it after research....
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Sameer Hasan Prophet SAW Said : "Alikum bi sunnati wa sunnatal kulafa ar
rashideen al mahdiyeen".
All the imams of 4 schools (Imma E Arba) have ijma on 20 Rakaah of taraweeh.

Ahle Hadith are not going to accept that....They say that this is an invention from
UMAR(RA). Then they give the argument from Al Bani.
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Saaib Taaib @Bajwa: You are crossing limits now...... You can leave the page....
Problem is with your understanding of English....
Jazakallah
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Saaib Taaib @Sameer: The problem with pseudo salafis is that they will criticise
everyone who is not a pseudo salafi and when others reply that pseudosalafis have
no right to criticise scholars who dedicated lives they just nod their head but when
we say the same they reply that we have no right to criticise scholars while
actually we criticised none....
Shameless...
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Saaib Taaib Every pseudosalafi claims to be a scholar without even having a hint
of scholarship world knows that most secterian views are cultivated by
pseudosalafis and this man Bajwa accuses me.... Then these pseudoscholars go to
sheikh Google and copy paste material on this without even realising that there
are people who research. Disgusting. I hate this pseudosalafi attitude and I have
always criticised it and will criticise it in future (insha allah)....
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Mohammed Omar Shah Saaib Ahmed - Are u telling me that you couldnt find one
narration of ayesha (r.a) sayng prophet paid 2 by 2 by 2 ?
YOU SAY U HATE SHAIKH GOOGLE? well if u really didnt refer or base ur
arguments on google then U MUST HAVE READ THE SHARH OF MUSLIM
AND BUKHARI BY 2 GREAT SCHOLARS.. PLEASE SHOW ME THOSE
SHARH FOR THE HADITH S I GAVE AND SHOW ME IN THAT SHARH IF
IT IS TAHAJJUD , QIYAM AL LAYL OR TARAWEEH
and no one's a salafi here.. im just a Muslim who doesnt claim something against
clear evidences !.. your the one brother who needs to re-research with an Open
mind ! if u dnt wana pray taraweeh its kewl :) but dont put up statuses misleading
people
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Sameer Hasan @Bajwa And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger
(Muhammad) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows
other than the believers way, We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and
burn him in Hell what an evil destination!
[al-Nisa 4:115]
As you have quoted the above verse you mean to say that all the sahaba is going
to hell (Maaz Allah) because no one said a word to hazrat Umar(RA) when he
odered for 20 rakaah.
And if that so You are going to paradise because You are following Prophet SAW.
You have quoted several hadith ......give me one reference where any one from
Sahaba has disobeyed the hazrat Umar(RA) & making another jamat & praying 8
rakah in Masjid e Nabwi & said that Umar(RA) has started a bid'ah & we are not
going to follow him.
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Shah Saaib Ahmed Rabbani I did research with open mind while you are doing
just opposite Br Omar.
Anyways let me comment on the Aisha (Ra) Hadith and the rest and YES I DID
REFER TO THE COMMENTARIES (WHICH YOU REFERED TO AS

SHARRH).
Shaykh Shamsud-Din al-Kermani's commentary on the Hadith is cited in "Fatwa
Rahimiyya" as: 'In the hadith (above), the tahajjud prayer is meant. Abu Salama's
question and Hadrat Aisha's answer concerned the tahajjud. If the tahajjud prayer
is not meant, then this tradition will be at variance with the tradition that states
that the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) led twenty rak'ahs each for two nights,
and in the case of such clash the tradition of twenty rak'ahs which is affirmative
(muthbit) shall have precedence because according to the principles of hadith, the
affirmative takes precedence over the negative (naaf)" ( Al-Kawakib ud-Durari
Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, vol. 9, pg 155-156)
Imam Ayni in his Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, vol. 2, pg. 187 claims, "'many a man of
knowledge considers the aforesaid hadith mudtarib (i.e. confounded)."
Majority of classical Imam's kept the Hadith under the Hadith of Tahajud. Imam
Muslim (Ra) has also placed the hadith under the tahajjud prayer section. Also
Imam Malik (Ra) has placed Aisha's hadith under the Book of tahajjud. The Imam
Abu Dawood (Ra) has also placed the same hadith under the chapter 'On the
number of rak'ahs of the prayer at night (tahajjud)'. Even Imam's Tirmidhi and
Nisai and a prominent Imam of the (psuedo) Salafi's Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya
(Allah's mercy be upon them) placed the hadith under the tahajjud hadiths.
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Mohammed Omar Shah {{Shaykh Shamsud-Din al-Kermani's commentary on the
Hadith is cited in "Fatwa Rahimiyya}}
YOU LEAVE FATH UL BAHRI AND SHARH NAWAWI AND GO FOR
THIS ??
{{Majority of classical Imam's kept the Hadith under the Hadith of Tahajud.
Imam Muslim (Ra) has also placed the hadith under the tahajjud prayer section.
Also Imam Malik (Ra) has placed Aisha's hadith under the Book of tahajjud. The
Imam Abu Dawood (Ra) has also placed the same hadith under the chapter 'On
the number of rak'ahs of the prayer at night (tahajjud)'. Even Imam's Tirmidhi and
Nisai and a prominent Imam of the (psuedo) Salafi's Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya
(Allah's mercy be upon them) placed the hadith under the tahajjud hadiths.}}
dont u know brother taraweeh becomes tahajjud in ramadan? and another name
for it is "qayam" ?? name one arabi speaking persn who says that "im goign for
taraweeh" rather everyone in their language says we are going for qiyaam and in

ramadan tahajjud becomes qiyaam


this is why it is said" and if u fear dawn approaching then pray one rakat as witr
and that will be suficient for allt he rakats"
NOW TELL ME.. THOSE HADITHS WHICH SHOW TAHAJJUD
NORMALLY IS 2 RAKAT BEFORE FAJR ! OR MORE BUT NOR
SPECIFICALLY HOW THE SAHABIS PRAYED TARAWEEH IN THE
MONTH OF RAMADAN .. What about those hadith of tahajud?
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Shah Saaib Ahmed Rabbani 1. Thajjud and Taraveeh are two different things.
Taraveeh is a seperate prayer specific to Ramadhan while Tahajud is an optional
prayer for throughout the year. Give me one single Hadith (even a fabricated can
do) which says Tahjud is Taraveeh. Not offering Tahajud but offering Taraveeh
doesn't make Tahajud = Taraveeh. There is a big basic difference hadrat Aisha
narrates that prophet used to offer the 11 rakats as 4, 4 and 3 and we know this
can't be taraveeh becoz taraveeh has to be 2, 2, 2, 2. We have other narrations
from narrations where she mentions Nabi Kreem (saw) offering more than 11
rakat, in that case you have 13 raka't taraveeh. Nabi Kareem (saw) himself said
that he had made taraweeh sunnah for us while for Tahajud we know that it is
from Quran
as for Nawawi's opinion about it, we conclude he also accepted 20 rakat taraveeh
from his own statement, "Taraweeh is 20 rakaats with 10 salaams" (Rawdatut
Taalibeen vol.1 pg.437). This is also clear from the following hadith which he,
along with many others, graded as Sahih.
Yazeed ibne Khusayfah from Saaib ibne Yazeed (R.A.) that he said: They used to
stand in the era of Umar (R.A.) with 20 rakaats in the month of ramadhaan (As
Sunanul Kubraa - Imaam al Bayhaqi vol.2 pg.496)
Ibne Iraaqi (Ra)graded the hadith as Sahih. Imaam Nawawi (Ra), and Allamah
Suyooti (Ra) have also regarded the above narration to be Sahih.
Another narration which says the same has been also been graded Sahih by
scholars. The narration reads as follows: It is reported from Saaib ibn Yazeed (Ra)
that he said: We used to stand in the era of Umar (a) with 20 rakaats and witr.
(Marifatus Sunan Wal Aathaar)

The Hadith is narrated by Imaam Bayhaqi (ra) and has been regarded as Sahih by
Allamah Subkhi (Ra) in Sharhul Minhaaj as well as Mulla Ali Qari (Ra) in
Sharhul Muatta (Taleequl Hassan pg.252).
Imaam Maalik (Ra) reported the following hadith: The people used to stand in
the era of Umar (Ra) with 23 rakaats in the month of Ramadhaan (Muatta
Malik). The above narration is also found in Sunane Kubra of Imaam Bayhaqi
(Ra) vol.2 pg.496 as well as in Qiyamul Layl by Sheikh Muhammad ibn Nasr AlMurwazi pg.94.
In a paper from Sheikh Google a couple of Months ago i found the following
hadith, "Yahya bin Saeed reports that Umar (Ra) commanded a man to perform 20
rakaats with them." The narration is mursal but acc to Ibn Hajar (ra) graded all the
narrators as trustworthy and also by the rules of Hadith the hadith is accepted
because it has other hadith backing it.
Imam Tirmidhi also holds the same opinion on this. Refer to his book "Jamiut
Tirmidhi".
I can continue on this for days... But I am feeling sleeps now...
Jazakallahu khair.
Only Allah knows the best.
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Mohammed Omar Shah Shah Saaib Ahmed Rabbani u just refuted ur own self !
if u say that taraweeh is not tahajjud in ramadan (only) then show me that sahabas
or rasool (s.a.W) after praying taraweeh prayed tahajud seperately :)
2. Those narrations i gave u from different companions are all based on ramadan
and you can find this in the sharh.. If u succeed in proving Point# 1 above then i
will agree that there is not 8 rakat taraweeh ..rather Only 20 :) According to
scholars there is an Ijmah in the salaf that sunnah is 8 and mustahab is more
The Biggest proof is that during Ramadan or non Ramadan reports say that rasool
(s.a.w) prayed 11.. be it 4 by 4 or 2 by 2 it is still eleven !
And the sahabis prayed 2 by 2 so we do the same !..

3. Could You please show me if rasool (s.a.w) prayed 20 rakat taraweeh with
people? jazakAllahu khairan
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Shah Saaib Ahmed Rabbani This is my last reply and I wont comment on the
issue after this.
I refuted myself, how exactly, may be by proving Thajud is not Taraveeh or by
producing Sahih Hadith which categoricaly mention 20 Raka't taraveeh.
You want me to prove that Sahabas used to offer Tahajud after Taraveeh while I
alread commented on this by saying "Not offering tahajud but offering Taraveeh
doesn't make tahajud equal to taraveeh". The reason we don't have Hadith of
Sahabas offering Tahajud after Taraveeh is the length of Taraveeh prayer.
Taraveeh prayer used to be very long and would almost reach the suhoor time and
thats the reason we don't find Tahajud prayers in Ramadhan. You can't produce
even a fabricated hadith which says tahajud is equal to taraveeh and I again
challenge for that but I can still base my opinion on logic and scholarly
consensus. Hambali fiqh in fact argues if one offers tahajud then he has to offer
witr after tahajjud not after taraveeh. You are also acting arrogant by not replying
to my arguments, I already said that Taraveeh was made a sunnah by Prophet
while if it where Tahajud then it was a quranic command. There is no difference
of opinion about Tahajud prayers, all the ulema od four madhhabs and that of
pseudosalafia agree on the number of tahajud i.e a minimum of 7 and a maximum
of 13 while for the number of taraveeh there is a difference of opinion. It has been
the tradition of ummah for 1300 years to offer 20 rakat and all of asudden you ppl
come up with the Biddah of 8 Rakat and for backing it up you made tahajud =
taraveeh which has no backing inside Islam.
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Rukhsana Anwer Yes Tahajjud is different from Taraweeh That's right!
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Rukhsana Anwer In my oppinion:)
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Tekno Freek must be knowing that tahajjud was onligatory upon the
prophet(saws).....wasnt it......and theres a hadeeth by bukhari which says that
Sahabas say Rasool(saws) conducted the congregational prayer and recited long
suras to the extent they feared that the suhr meals time wud be over.....this proves
that he did not pray tahajjud during ramadaan, which was obligatory on him,
hence proved that tahajjud==taraveeh.......
secondly, the prophet did not prescribe any fixed number of rakaahs for
taraveeh...there are evidences for 8 rakahs....the strongest being the hadith of
Aishah(ra)..and there are evidences for 20 rakahs too from the scholars.......the
prophet made the rakahs lengthy..The scholars thought that if the imam made the
prayer so long, this would be too difficult for the members of the congregation
and that might put them off. So they thought that the imam should make the
recitation shorter and increase the number of rakahs.
therefore it is undoubtedly wrong to label either of them as a "biddah"...how can it
be when the prophet (saws) upon being asked about night prayers, said that they
are to be done two by two, and he did not specify any particular number? Of
course the one who asked him about the night prayer did not know the number,
because if he did not know how to do it, it is even more likely that he did not
know the number. since the Prophet (saws) told him how to do it but did not say
how many times, it may be understood that the matter is broad in scope,...
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Shah Saaib Ahmed Rabbani As for your question on how many raka't did prophet
offer with people I can only say only an ignorant can ask such a question and
there are two reasons for that 1. The prophet (saw) offered Taraveeh in jamaah
only three times. 2. There is no mention of the number in the two Sahih's.
Nevertheless we can take hint from other sources on how many did they offer.
And for this I will go to Ibn Hajar (Ra), notice that he is one of the scholars who
you wanted me to refer to (other being Nawawi (ra) who I already quoted), who

quotes a Hadith from Aisha (ra) in his book Al-Talkhees Al-Habeer that the
Prophet (PBUH) performed twenty rakaat Taraweeh on those three night.
This was wrt to those three particular nights, as for rest of the nights which he
didn't offer in jamaah we again have lack of evidence that he offered eight instead
we have two Hadiths from Ibn Abbas (ra) which say that he used to offer twenty,
Ibn Abbas (R A) narrated that the Prophet (PBUH) used to pray twenty rakaat
followed by Witr in the month of Ramadan. Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaibah, v2, p394;
Muntakhab Musnad Abd bin Humaid, h653; Al-Muajam Al-Ausat, h802).
Ibn Abbas (R A) narrated that the Prophet (PBUH) used to pray twenty rakaat by
himself followed by Witr (every night) in the month of Ramadan. (Sunan AlBaihaqi, h12102)
These are backed with the hadith which I already cited earlier.
I don't think I left any stone unturned. The evidence for 20 Raka't taraveeh is just
overwhelming and the evidence for 8 Raka't taraveeh is too fragile like for
example aa hadith narrated from Aisha (ra) that the prophet offered 8 in taraveeh
but most of the scholars have said that the subnarrator of the hadith is a liar and
his hadith can't be accepted.
Thus I conclude that prophet MOST PROBABLY (EVIDENCE IS LESS)
OFFERED 20 RAKA'T TARAVEEH ON THE THREE NIGHTS. He continued
to offer 20 raka't later. The sahabah offered 20 raka't and Muslims for 1300 years
have done the same. All four Imams are on agreement that Taraveeh is 20 Raka't.
Great commentators of Hadith, like Nawawi, Iraqi, Suyuti, Ibn Hajar, held the
view that taraveeh is 20 raka't. None of the Sahabah (Ra) including Aisha (Ra)
opposed Umar (Ra) in the establishment of twenty rakaat of Salat Al-Taraweeh in
congregation. Throughout the history, in the Haram of Makkah and Madinah,
Taraweeh has never been performed less than twenty rakaat. Never in the history
of Islam for 1400 years was there a disagreement among scholars about the
number of rakaat in Salat Al-Taraweeh. The assertion about the eight rakaat has
begun by some in the last one hundred years only. Those narrations used to prove
8 rakaats either dont refer to taraweeh or dont comply with the standards of
authnticity. Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah, Kabiri of Imam al-Tabarani, Ibn Aadi in
his Musnad, and Imam Baghawi in his Majmua-as-Sahabah all narratate hadith
proving 20 raka't taraveeh. Imam Tirmidhi, Imam Hafiz ibn Human, Imam Ata
ibn Abi Raba, Imam Malik ibn Anas, Imam Muwaffaq al-Din Ibn Qudama alMaqdisi, Imam al-Ayni, Hafiz Taqi-ad-Din Ahmad Ibn Taymiyya al-Hanbali all
accept taraveeh of 20 rakat.
I end this discussion. Its your choice to decide now.
Indeed Allah (swt) knows the best.

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Shah Saaib Ahmed Rabbani Though I finished the discussion but I think I need to
comment on one particular argument from "Tekno Freek" i.e "Sahabas say
Rasool(saws) conducted the congregational prayer and recited long suras to the
extent they feared that the suhr meals time wud be over.....this proves that he did
not pray tahajjud during ramadaan, which was obligatory on him, hence proved
that tahajjud==taraveeh......."
The question one needs to ask is "did they miss the suhoor", the answer will be
no. This proves that taraveeh didn't end with fajr prayer and thus the prophet
always had time for Tahajud. If we read between the lines your comment
indirectly strengthens my case, let me explain how. Tahajud is a quranic commant
and a fard for the prophet (saw) while for Taraveeh he said it is "MY SUNNAH
FOR YOU PEOPLE". Thus proving beyond any doubt that the two are different.
Note that you contradicted yourslef in the comment by begging to Aisha's (ra)
hadith and that 2, 2, 2 hadith because one mentions 4, 4, 3 and the other mentions
2, 2, 2, and on and on. You can't have both.
Case for 8 raka't is very fragile. This is my research and my opinion can change
with more research.
Allah (swt) knows the best.
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