NATO Should Stop Putin From Restoring

Czarist Empire, Zbigniew Brzezinski Says

09/03/2014
Zbigniew Brzezinski, who served as national security adviser to President Jimmy Carter, remains
one of Americas top strategic thinkers going back to the days of the Cold War. He spoke with
WorldPost editor Nathan Gardels on Monday evening about the NATO Summit in Wales.
WorldPost: In light of the Ukraine crisis, NATO allies at the summit in Wales will announce a
new rapid deployment force of 4,000 troops to respond to any threat to one of its members on the
Russian periphery. Along with sanctions, it that enough to deter Putin?
Zbigniew Brzezinski: That depends on how the situation itself in Ukraine gets resolved. If
deployment of potential forces in the Baltic states enhances their security in the immediate term,
their security will still be in question over the next months if the Ukrainian issue is resolved in a
fashion that makes Putin the victor and the democratic forces in Ukraine the losers and victims.
That, in turn, will raise the issue of how safe all the other countries around Russias rim will be
in the longer term, particularly the Baltic states.
WorldPost: How do you define resolved in a fashion that makes Putin the victor?"
Brzezinski: What Putin is striving to do is create so much hardship and so much disorder in
Ukraine that, eventually, the Ukrainian government will collapse and some thuggish elements
backed by Putin can assume power and abandon the effort to take Ukraine into the democratic
West. Those in power would then join Putin on the march to create a Eurasian Union. That
Eurasian Union is nothing but a new name for the former Soviet Union, or for the former Czarist
Empire.
WorldPost: How would you define a democratic outcome of the Ukraine crisis?
Brzezinski: Eventually, some sort of accommodation in which Ukraine moves toward a deeper
involvement with Europe -- but does not seek to join NATO -- while still keeping an economic
relationship with Russia. That would benefit both Ukraine and Russia as normal trade and
commerce can be restored.
WorldPost: Should NATO provide arms directly to Ukraine?
Brzezinski: If it does not, it signals to Putin that he can militarily escalate as he
wishes in order to destabilize Ukraine altogether.
WorldPost: Do you assign any validity to the present view of liberal reformers of the Gorbachev
era - including Gorbachev himself - who feel betrayed, as Gorbachev told me, by NATO
expansion to Russias border? This was not the new thinking he agreed to with the West at the
end of the Cold War, he said, but a return to sphere of influence thinking.
That is why Gorbachev and others like him support Putins pushback in Ukraine.
Brzezinski: It is quite conceivable that they sincerely think this is a correct version of what was
discussed at the end of the Cold War, and thus a legitimate case for them to make.
But you have to ask yourself, What was the desire of the people who, after more than 40 years
of Soviet oppression, became free? They didnt want to be pawns between a residual West that
ended somewhere on the borders of the old West Germany and a resurgent Russia. They wanted
to be part of the democratic West and, eventually, of the European Union.
Those are perfectly legitimate aspirations. This is no threat to Russia - except to those Russians
who cannot conceive of Russia as anything else but a dominant empire that rules not only over
the Russian people but over those adjoining Russian territory.

WorldPost: As justified as sanctions or even military action by NATO against Russian forces
might be, isnt the effect to drive Russia and China together into an anti-Western bloc?
Wouldnt it be wise for the U.S. to re-open to China, so to speak -- as Nixon did in Soviet
times -- in order to drive a wedge into this bloc before it consolidates?
Brzezinski: First of all, we are not in a position to manipulate Chinese policy. However, I do not
support the argument that what is happening is creating a more solid Chinese-Russian
relationship.
I think the Chinese are watching very carefully what is happening. They did not support Russia
in the United Nations when there was a crucial vote on Russian misconduct. They are, at the
same time, quietly increasing their influence over Central Asia and do not support the
incorporation of countries like Kazakhstan into a new union with Russia.
The Chinese are playing a clever game and benefiting from Russias crisis with the West. They
struck a fantastic deal with the Russians on energy because the Russians had no choice but to
submit to their terms.
WorldPost: So any Russians who believe that China will somehow ally with them against the
West are deluded?
Brzezinski: Yes, they are whistling in the dark. Russia is so weakening itself that one
consequence will be that it will become a satellite of the Chinese! And that will benefit the West.
The Chinese leadership is rational and calculating. The Russian leadership under Putin is
irrational, emotional, erratic and dangerous.
It is a fact that arch conspirator Zbigniew Brzezinski, a notable CFR-member, founder of the
Trilateral Commission, key Bilderberger, fanatical Socialist-Communist, alien Polish Roman
Catholic and high-level Freemason, was the foremost mentor of Barry Davis Soetoro, remade
into Barack Hussein Obama. Tied to the Jesuits of Georgetown University in Washington,
District of Catholics, both Freemasons Brzezinski and Obama are playing their scripted roles:
Obama is the creation, Brzezinski is the creatorat the direction of the Jesuits of Georgetown
University.
To view and hear Obamas reverence for his former Roman Catholic professor at Columbia
Universityif in fact Barry attended the university from 1981-1983 as denied by Black
Harlem/Atlah Pastor James Manningsee the video above.