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on: 2013-06-01, 22:16:52
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=200495
About 3/4 the way down this page immediately above, there's a post of a board Member there
that 'explains' how radiant chargers work. I'll be getting more into this later when I have more
time and money.
I don't expect this to be OU, but for simplicity, it's hard to beat and this is something I can
eventually use, IMHO.
I'll add to this thread later with more related info.
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A similar diagram from different site compared to the first above.
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Reply #1 on: 2013-06-02, 17:29:18
Are you talking about the one on that page from www.nuenergy.org?
That would be Bruce
Perreault's although it's similar to some others and is really Tesla based. BTW Bruce's web site
is no longer at www.nuenergy.org as his ex got the site. I think his site is now at
http://www.earthionenergy.com
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Reply #2 on: 2013-06-02, 21:59:35
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Are you talk ing about the one on that page from www.nue ne rgy.org? That would be Bruce Pe rre ault's
although it's sim ilar to som e othe rs and is re ally Te sla base d. BTW Bruce 's we b site is no longe r at
www.nue ne rgy.org as his e x got the site . I think his site is now at http://www.e arthione ne rgy.com
Well, I looked and looked for a circuit that describes what I envisioned, but didn't find any on
the sites you cited. This one comes close:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Radiant_Energy_Antenna_System
It's just a wire that runs to a step-down transformer which give higher amperage current to
rectify with a diode to a battery. A neon bulb acts as a lower-voltage spark gap. That's what I
meant.
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Here, look at this...
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Image:Ambient_energy_collection_device_schematic_500.gif
I've read these systems need to be outside in the breezy wind for them to work right. The
electret effect on an insulated cable is said to work no other way. However, some systems get
milliWatts from a few feet of wire in an inside apartment. MilliWatts is all, though.
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Reply #3 on: 2013-06-04, 01:06:57
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W e ll, I look e d and look e d for a circuit that de scribe s what I e nvisione d, but didn't find any on the site s
you cite d. This one com e s close :
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He re , look at this...
http://www.pe swik i.com /inde x .php/Im age :Am bie nt_e ne rgy_colle ction_de vice _sche m atic_500.gif
So, take this antenna schematic...

http://johnjeanantiqueradio.com/antenna.htm
...and before you get to the first impedance transformer in the attic, run a wire to a suitable
household location, and then solder a Lakhovsky radiating coil into the circuit ahead of the
transformer. Between the input and output of the coil, set a two-way knife switch to cut in the
coil and cut out the downside of the circuit to the impedance transformer and battery bank after
it. Several thousand volts will course through the coil with (theoretically) the same effect of an
actual Lakhovsky coil, albeit with potentially less power in the circuit.
When you're through with the coil, set the knife switch where it was originally, thus
bypassing that part of the circuit. The circuit does two things in one piece of wire. I have a
specific use for this circuit, but my envisioned design is very preliminary at this stage of
development (back-of-envelope type of status).
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Reply #4 on: 2013-06-05, 19:23:40
I'll add to this thre ad late r with m ore re late d info.
I'm unable to get downtown right now, so this thread will sit for awhile. I imagine I'll add to
several of my threads on this Bench when I'm able to render drawings to .PDF's.
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Reply #5 on: 2013-06-15, 20:02:01
Concerning the subject of this thread, I had the idea that questioned in my mind: How alike---or
how useful---can the industry standard, commercial-style radio antenna be in radiant energy
capture and harvesting?
Especially in the LF or VLF bands for mere reception and harvesting of
ambient radio signals?

Here's just one technical description from a HAM operator:
http://www.yf1ar.com/2011/06/basic-antenna-theory-antenna-is-device.html
When I was a teenager, my Dad had, as a job function, a requirement to design electronic
telemetry instruments that gave him the opportunity to experiment in radio electronics. (It's
part of the reason I'm here at this site doing research.) He strung a length of wire on glass
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insulators across the garage diagonally---about 30'---and used that for a dedicated antenna,
regardless of the potentially coupled 60 Hz line current frequency from the municipal power
mains in the house wiring. The frequencies he dealt with were obviously higher than this, but
those shortwave and regular broadcast frequencies, as well as 60 Hz, were present on the
ungrounded antenna.
Any attic in a house with a high-enough peaked roof can have an insulated wire 'snaked'
back and forth along the undersides of the individual roof rafters that have been stapled or
carefully nailed to the underside. There need not be actual baluns to process the signal for
radio detection. A step down transformer should do for impedance matching---or possibly more
correctly---voltage equivalence to a battery bank.
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Reply #6 on: 2013-06-15, 21:22:38
The tutorial you've linked to which describes
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antenna function comprehensively is a good
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Reply #7 on: 2013-06-15, 21:57:05
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The tutorial you've link e d to which de scribe s
ante nna function com pre he nsive ly is a good
find.
Very good. That's why I uploaded it. I was concerned that at least one free energy researcher
indicated that the wire/cable carrying voltage had to be in windy conditions and preferably on a
long vertical pole as high as was feasible. Then I remembered my Dad receiving shortwave
broadcasts from a propaganda station in Communist Russia and this was done in a closed
garage. So the researcher was incorrect in that regard.
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Reply #8 on: 2013-07-28, 22:14:14
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/210/radiantcollector.png/
Another simple design, although the placement of those 90 deg. caps in the schematic could be
better drawn.
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Reply #9 on: 2013-07-31, 20:44:14
http://im age shack .us/photo/m y-im age s/210/radiantcolle ctor.png/
Anothe r sim ple de sign, although the place m e nt of those 90 de g. caps in the sche m atic could be be tte r
drawn.
Okay, here's another one for simplicity's sake:
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http://www.fight-4-truth.com/Ground.jpg
I built a ground-based battery charging system very similar to this one while living on the streets
in Okla. City. This one above uses only one collector; the hollow tube. I was using alternating,
wired-together, copper and aluminum tubes shoved into the ground.
As well as this:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2209-earth-battery-sg.html
(Look at the first drawing at the top of the page; posted Entry #1.
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Reply #10 on: 2013-08-12, 00:10:27
I built a ground-base d batte ry charging syste m ve ry sim ilar to this one while living on the stre e ts in O k la.
C ity. This one above use s only one colle ctor; the hollow tube . I was using alte rnating, wire d-toge the r,
coppe r and alum inum tube s shove d into the ground.
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This is e x actly what I m e ant...
http://www.ze tatalk .com /e ne rgy/te ngy09v.gif
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It work e d, too.
tim e .
I didn't have a chance to do m uch with it, since I re locate d out of that state to AZ, at the
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Reply #11 on: 2014-12-01, 19:39:30
Quote from: muDped on 2013-06-15, 21:22:38
The tutorial you've link e d to which de scribe s
ante nna function com pre he nsive ly is a good
find.
Unfortunately, the site material for the information in question has been restricted by site
owner/adminitrator so that a password is required to see the schematics.
I'll continue looking at other sites for similar information.
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Reply #12 on: 2014-12-11, 06:28:13
What an interesting subject to revisit and consider! John B and his mono pole is as good a place
to start as any other I guess. a key statement of Johns is contained in this text : Reactive
Power is the clue to Monopole, Hendershot, Moray.. from this web page
http://merlib.org/node/5508 what then pray is reactive power ? And why does the SSG work a
miracle for some and not others ? What kind of feel can we get for this power that defies
maths and standard engineering ? How does reactive/radiant power condition a battery ? In very
crude electrical terms power = VI cos , cos being the phase angle between voltage and
current . We can't charge a lead acid battery with AC and so sinusoidal functions are not 100%
correct our ambition then is a fast switching square wave (D.C) which as far as the true and
apparent power equations are concerned act as AC . that is powering the battery whilst no
real power is consumed . what JB calls radiant power , some call ambient power electricians
have been trained to refer to as reactive power If I have managed to hold your attention thus
far and you can stand a little more pain here is a little on that subject
http://www.aspowertechnologies.com/resources/pdf/True%20vs.%20Apparent%20Power.pdf
you will see written there that reactive power can do no real work . perhaps not , but it can
charge and change lead acid batteries and they can do loads of work! John B noted after lots of
study that the plates of a lead acid battery that was conditioned (radiantly charged) were a
different colour his conclusion was it is a very different substance yet to be chemically defined
was being produced. I think John knows a thing or two and so I'm happy to run with that!
Strangely basic electric theory does not contradict these events but things need to be viewed
askance. To wit . The lead acid battery is rated, sold, and charged in Ampere hours , at no
point is power or energy involved in the basic calculations Its assumed.
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Given a resonant
(reactive) circuit large current may flow whilst no real power is consumed this then explains
the self runners that have been demonstrated. Electric circuits have the dubious pleasure of two
distinct resonant types series and parallel It is the series flavour which produces this remarkable
effect on lead acid batteries. So why doesn't it work for everyone ? Consider the Lead acid
battery to be a variable capacitor after all it is .. isn't it ? It has plates and a dielectric, the
problem (for we who seek free energy) is the dielectric is constantly changing depending on
charge and other variables.....temperature,load ect ect . This I have long thought has been the
reason for such variable results regarding SSG self runners. However to devise circuitry that will
radically vary the frequency of the charging square wave whilst holding the battery at series
resonance has been beyond my nous ( now I have a cunning plan which I'd like your
thoughts on) but first a little supporting evidence for the premise . This sentence When you
hear the sulphate crystals buzzing and crackling inside the battery, you know something
amazing (and kind of scary) is happening. Is lifted from this web page
http://www.johnsavesenergy.com/CapacitiveBatteryCharger.html#.VIkT71Kp5dg I believe It
pertains ! This sentence Every lead acid battery has a resonant frequency at around 2 to 6
megahertz lifted from this web page http://www.reuk.co.uk/Battery-Desulfation.htm To piss the
power supply guys George Wiseman uses this series resonant (no real power) system in a crude
fashion to charge banks of batteries on off peak tariff at night . which he then uses during the
day whilst also feeding the excess back onto the grid ,by the law of the land, the power
company pay George each month to use their power for free. Nice bananas George !
http://www.eagle-research.com/cms/store/free-energy/reverse-your-electric-meter-legally here
then I believe is the heart of the enigma , to hold the lead acid battery close to series resonance
in a sea of changing variables not least being a wildly changing internal resistance (impedance)
and variable load altering the Q factor of the circuit
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/6.html It does seem very clear that VARs can
however happily charge lead acid batteries !! how then might we maintain series resonance on
a battery in this sea of change ? Consider this isn't this what has frustrated Tesla
Coilershave searched and yearned for , for years ? That is trying to hold wave resonance
whilst surrounding conditions change radically. I start to ponder if we might borrow some of this
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recent work and bend it to this resonant / radient/ambient/ battery charging project . I offer
this young mans circuit for you to mull over and consider adapting
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Reply #13 on: 2014-12-11, 18:04:15
http://www.davidick e .com /forum /showthre ad.php?t=200495
About 3/4 the way down this page im m e diate ly above
I can see a couple of relevant posts.

What is the post number of the one you have in mind??
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