CHRISTIAN MUSLIM DEBATE

THE BIBLE AND THE QURAN AS GUIDANCE FOR

MANKIND

Representing the Bible SAMUEL TAJUDA

https://www.facebook.com/samuel.tajuda?hc_location=ufi

Representing the Quran ABU JAIYANA

https://www.facebook.com/AbuJaiyana?fref=ufi

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Montaser Hassan
August 15 at 3:08pm

1 ON 1 FORMAL DEBATE
FREE
Topic: WHICH GUIDANCE IS BETTER TO BE FOLLOWED, BIBLE OR QUR'AN?
Bible side: Samuel Tajuda
Qur'an side: Abu Jaiyana
Sources:OPEN
Language: ENGLISH
DEBATE RULES AND FORMAT:
1. Prsentation 2000 words maximum per debater
2. Cross Examination 5 questions maximum
3. Replies to cross Examination 500 words maximum per question.
4. Rebuttal 2000 words maximum per debater
5. Conclusion 700 words maximum per debater
6. Time limit for posting replies to the opponent's post is 24 hrs.
7. NO copy-pasting of articles from websites except biblical or Qur'anic passages or verse which will
be included in the maximum word count per debater
8. Violations to the above rules will render the opponent winner of the debate.
Format:
1. Prsentation of the Bible side.
2. Prsentation of the Qur'an side.
3. The Qur'an side would ask 5 questions maximum all at once to the Bible side.
4. The Bible side would answer all 5 questions with only 500 words maximum per question
5. The Bible side would ask 5 questions maximum all at once to the Qur'an side
6. The Qur'an side would answer all 5 questions with only 500 words maximum per question
7. Rebuttal of the Bible side.
8. Rebuttal of the Qur'an side.
9. Conclusion of the Bible side.
10. Conclusion of the Qur'an side.
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Samuel Tajuda Ah,,, ako pala ang una,,

nasa lakad pa ako ngayon,, hindi pa ako nakauwi sa amin,,
Pipilitin kong makalatag mamayang mga hatinggabi kung loloobin,, pero kung matatagalan pa ako dito sa
nilakad ko, baka bukas pa talaga.
English ba ang gagamitin?
Pagpasensyahan nyo na kung malainstallment ang dating ng arguments ko,,cp lang kc ang ginagamit ko at
limited lang ang pwede itype..
Magbibigay nalang ako ng signal kung ako ay tapos na..
(sumilip lang ako saglit dito ngayon)
August 15 at 7:52pm Like 2
amuel Tajuda Good day to all
Peace be upon us. Assalam mualaikom to our muslim brethrens.
It is w/ great pleasure for me to take this challenge to prove our Bible its betterness in all aspects against the
quran. It's an opportunity for me to do my responsibility, as christian, to preach the good tidings of our Lord
Jesus Christ and of our most high Father in heaven.
In our topic, ''which is better to be followed'', let's start finding the answer of it by knowing this thing first: what
we are going to follow? Is it the event in the history or the thing they preached within?
Let's read the answer from the bible,
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received,
and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye
have believed in vain." (1 Corinthians 15:1-2).
It is very clear that what we have to keep or to follow is the gospel that they preach for it is able to save our
souls. For this gospel didnt came from men but by God thru christ.
"Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16).
So, what makes it better than the quran?
Here, brothers and sisters, i will show you how better the doctrine in the bible is.
I'll post some of it;
"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray
for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" (Matthew 5:44).
"But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the
judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever
shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." (Matthew 5:22).
"Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil
concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the
children of disobedience:.....
August 15 at 11:51pm Like 1
Samuel Tajuda .....In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off all
these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another,
seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in
knowledge after the image of him that created him:" (Colossians 3:5-10).
That is just some of the best teachings in the bible that leads us into salvation... The best to be followed.
my brethren before i finish my first stand, i will not attack nor defame their quran BUT I DARE CHALLENGE
MY OPPONENT TO SHOW US HERE THE BETTER TEACHINGS OF QURAN THAN WHAT I HAVE
POSTED FROM THE BIBLE.
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BUT IF HE FAILS TO DO SO.....

===YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS===
August 15 at 11:54pm Like 1

Samuel Tajuda That's all. Thank you

TO GOD BE THE GLORY
August 15 at 11:55pm Like 1

Montaser Hassan Thanks also Samuel for your Presentation of ur stand in this debate thread.
It's now Abu Jaiyana's turn for his prsentation. 24 hrs is the time limit for him to present his stand.
August 15 at 11:59pm Like 3

Abu Jaiyana I begin by mentioning the name of God, Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
All praise is due to Allah alone. He it is Who hath sent His Messenger, Muhammad s.a.w. with the
guidance and the Religion of Truth, Islam, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much
the idolaters may be averse.
After that:
Peace be unto those who follow the right guidance. A warmest greetings to all the readers of this debate,
especially to our Christians friend Samuel Tajuda who is passionately defending and propagating the
message of the Bible, and to all Muslims and Non-Muslims in general.
The topic of this debate is somehow we are going to compare the Bible and the Quran and then we
decide which of these two books we should follow. Certainly both books teaches many good things which
are objectively good. However, there are irrefutable reasons why any person should follow the Quran
instead of the Bible.
Our friend Samuel Tajuda, in his presentation did not really give us an objective reason why we should
follow the Bible instead of the Quran. What he did was he quoted the words of Paul of Tarsus such as in
1 Corinthians 15:1-2, Colossians 3:5-10, and et cetera which made him think that he should be following
the Bible; he may be right of he may be wrong. However, he did not quote the Word of God Himself
which commands him to follow the Bible.
The reason for not quoting the very Word of God by our friend Samuel Tajuda, is because such
commandment DOESNT EXIST anywhere in the Bible. The word Bible itself, doesnt exist anywhere in
the entire Bible which refers to itself. The Word Bible is from the from Koine Greek , t bibla,
which simply means "the books". Any collections of codified books for that matter is called bible.
1. QURAN, THE BOOK OF GUIDANCE.
As for me and for all Muslims, we follow the Quran not because of our personal reasoning but primarily
because God says so.
First the Quran claims to be the word of God, and it challenges the whole mankind who doubted that it
indeed the Word of God, to produce one singe surah (chapter) like it in Surah 2:23
This challenge was and is not disproven in the past and in the present. It simply proves that the Quran is
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the Word of God.

God says in the Quran that it is the Book in which there is NO DOUBT, and a GUIDANCE to those who
fear God, Surah 2:2 this is God speaking here, not anybody else, Ladies and Gents.
Unlike the Bible which doesnt address itself as Bible, the Quran as a sacred Book, it calls itself as the
Quran 70 times, amazing right?
2. CLEAR MONOTHEISTIC THEOLOGY
What is very interesting with the teachings of the Quran is its monotheistic teaching. In Surah 112:1-4, it
teaches us pure, and uncorrupt monotheism, that is the oneness of God.
Say: He is Allah, the One! Allah, the eternally Besought of all! He begetteth not nor was begotten. And
there is none comparable unto Him.
It simply tells us that God is absolute and eternal, which means He doesnt depend on anything, but
everything depends on Him. He has neither beginning nor end, no parents, no offspring like sons of
daughters, and He is beyond comparison.
Examine the Bible, it teaches that God has Sons, both allegorical and physical sons such as Jesus
Christ- How could God beget a son who is a mere human being, a mortal, and imperfect being.
If God has a literal son, then necessarily the son is also God, then we end up having multiple Gods, i.e.
Mythology.
If Jesus is not a literal son of God, then Jesus is not God, therefore, Trinitrian Christianity is a false, and
doomed religion.
August 16 at 11:34am Like 2

Abu Jaiyana 3. WHAT RELIGION TO FOLLOW?

The Quran clearly state, what the religion of God that people must adhere to.
This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion; so fear them not, fear Me!
This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for
you as religion al-Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving,
Merciful. Surah 5:3
The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent
therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the
Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account. Surah 3:19
So the Quran tells us very clearly that the religion that we should be following is Islam whether we
follow it or not is upon our choice, there is no compulsion in religion as God said in Surah 2:256.
On the other hand, there is nowhere in the Bible which says follow Christianity, or Catholicism, or Born
Again, or any particular religion everything is based on personal interpretations, and like and dislikes
which clearly implies CONFUSION among the people.

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4. THE QURAN IS AN INCORRUPTIBLE BOOK.

It is preserved primarily be memorization, and then by written texts, and it has a challenge to mankind as
mentioned above to disprove it by producing a single chapter like it Muslims are unanimous to this fact.
God promises in the Quran, We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly
Guard it (from corruption) Surah 15:9.
Compare that to the Bible the Bible is not preserved in its original form, and it was never memorized
even by the early Christians.
Even Jesus didnt know and see the final form of the Christian Bible because the Bible was compiled by
UNKNOWN individuals many years after Jesus.
Christians had been debating who wrote the Book of Hebrews, who Mark really is, et cetera, and more
importantly, the Christians can not agree unanimously how many books are there in the Bible, and which
version of the Bible is correct.
5. BLASPHEMY IN THE BIBLE
There are passages in the Bible which is so blasphemous to God, which I think made the Bible deserving
to be burn due to the severity of this blasphemy. It is attributing IGNORANCE to God.
God did not know the future and consequences of His acts so he repented after finding out that He has
made something incorrect, or not what He expected to happen.
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Genesis
6:6
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. Exodus 32:14
Compare to the Quran:
Say: Do you instruct Allah about your religion? But Allah knows all that is in the heavens and on the
earth; Allah is Knowing of all things Surah 49:16
There are lots of these verses in the Bible Ladies and Gents God is all-knowing, not an ignorant being.
August 16 at 11:36am Like 3

Abu Jaiyana 6. BAD EXAMPLES

God sent Prophets and Messengers as examples, role models, and spokesmen to the people. However,
the Bible is shamelessly portraying those Holy Men as bad examples, and False Prophets.
Noah, was seen drunk and naked in Genesis 9:21-22
One day he drank some wine he had made, and he became drunk and lay naked inside his tent. Ham,
the father of Canaan, saw his father naked and told his two brothers outside.
Prophet Lot (Lut) had sex with his own daughters in Genesis 19:30-38 This Holy Prophet of God is
accused INCEST Ladies and Gents
In 1 Kings 11:4 Prophet Solomon, the Prophet with the Psalm, worshipped idols HORRIBLE!
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As Solomon grew old, his wives turned his heart after other gods, and his heart was not fully devoted to
the LORD his God, as the heart of David his father had been.
How could a Holy Prophet of God become an idol-worshiper folks??? Is this not a great blasphemy??
7. JESUS BEING PROVEN AS FALSE PROPHET IN THE BIBLE.
Now, the Christians are boasting about their god, Jesus, being sinless, unlike the previous Prophets.
Really?
In the new Testament, Jesus can not even be considered as a true Prophet, let alone God because he
lied by making an irrefutable false prophecy:
For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every
man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will
not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. Matthew 16: 27, 28
Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its
leaves, you know that summer is near; so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is
near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take
place. Matthew 24: 25-34
Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But when these things
begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near. Then
He told them a parable: Behold the fig tree and all the trees; as soon as they put forth leaves, you see it
and know for yourselves that summer is now near. So you also, when you see these things happening,
recognize that the kingdom of God is near. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all
things take place. Luke 21:27-32
But Jesus kept silent and the high priest said to Him, I adjure you by the living God, that you tell us
whether you are the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus said to him, You have said it yourself; nevertheless I
tell you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the
clouds of heaven. Matthew 26: 63, 64
Those were clear verses about the supposed return of Jesus before his supposed eye-witnesses would
pass away. You know what?? Even if those people would be RESURRECTED 10 TIMES, they will die
ten times with the FRUSTRATIONS about Jesus not coming back.
Jesus, according to the bible was a FALSE Prophet. How can that be ladies and gents??
I was smiling when our friend Samuel Tajuda, quoted the words of Paul in his presentation because
perhaps he didnt know that Paul was one of those who were deceived by the false Prophecy of Jesus in
the Bible.
Paul indeed believed that Jesus will be coming very soon as per Jesus prophecy quoted above, but
unfortunately for him, Jesus did not come back during his life time:
Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on
whom the end of the ages has come. 1 Corinthians 10:11
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Do not seek a wife. This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short. From now
on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were
not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though
they had no goods, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the
present form of this world is passing away. 1 Corinthians 7:27,29-31
There are lots and lots of reasons why we should not follow the Bible even though it contains some good
teachings. The danger and risk is too much for our salvation.
Our only alternative is the Quran because of the reasons which I mentioned above.
May God open our hearts and guide us always to the right path.
Thank you.
August 16 at 11:52am Like 4

Samuel Tajuda Can you please count the number of words being used by abu in his arguments,
hassan?
(kasi sa tingin ko ay sumobra sya sa nakatakdang bilang)
August 16 at 12:10pm Like 1

Montaser Hassan U can check it Samuel. I'll check it,too, later.

August 16 at 1:18pm Like
Abu Jaiyana Religion ang pinag uusapan dito, masama mandaya Samuel Tajuda. Pwede mo e-copypaste sa msword yan para hindi ka mahirapan magbilang.
August 16 at 1:20pm Like 2
Montaser Hassan It's ur turn now Abu Jaiyana to give ur 5 questions max to Samuel as Cross
Examination
August 16 at 1:51pm Unlike 2

Abu Jaiyana CROSS EXAMINATION

Questions for Samuel Tajuda:
1. Is there any verse in the entire Bible in which God Himself says that we should follow the bible? If there
is any, which version of the Bible is it?
Please take note that Im asking Gods commandment, not anyone else, and please provide the exact
reference from the Bible.
2. What moral lesson we could get and apply in ourselves from the scandalous stories of the Prophets in
the Bible such as, the drank and naked Prophet Noah, the Incestuous Prophet Lot, the Idol-worshipper
King Solomon, and the Liar Jesus for making false prophecies?

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3. Jesus also said in the Bible that those who live by the sword will die by the sword Matthew 26:52. This
was the order of Jesus to Petter do you believe that it is actually a true statement?
4. I cited the verse in the Bible which says that God repented which indicates His ignorance about the
future, do you believe that God repents?
5. In all the thousands of sects in Christianity using the Bible as their book of guidance, which of these
sects is correct according to the Bible, or is the Bible silent about the issue of following the right religion, it
is just a matter of personal understanding rather than of clear instruction from God?
Thank you.
August 16 at 2:09pm Like 4

Samuel Tajuda Answer 1.

in the bible, there are two stories that arise, the jews and their fall and the christian as they began to
reign.
God thru Christ commanded us to follow His words
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of
the Holy Ghost: TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo,
I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (Matthew 28:19-20).
Which translation?
All translations in any langguages for God was the one who confound our langguages and of course He
will command some people to translate it in all languages also so that all can hear and understand His
words.
(baka mamayang gabi pa ako makabalik, duty pa sa work)
August 16 at 2:31pm Like 1

Samuel Tajuda 2. (though its not related to my argument, i'll still answer it)
the moral lesson we could get from their deeds is written here
1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written FOR OUR
ADMONITION, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1Co 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent WE SHOULD NOT LUST AFTER EVIL
THINGS, as they also lusted.
August 16 at 7:11pm Like

Samuel Tajuda 3. Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they
that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

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THAT STATEMENT IS TRUE,

but peter is not a swordman but fisherman of fish and later on became a fisherman of men.
August 16 at 7:15pm Like

Samuel Tajuda 4. Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved
him at his heart.
the word "repented
August 16 at 7:17pm Like

Samuel Tajuda '4. Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved
him at his heart.
the word "repented" there is a MISTRANSLATION, for the kjv and some translator translate literally the
hebrew word "nacham" pronounce as "naw-kham'"
that word has a lot of meaning depends on how it is used in sentence.
here is what it means

nacham
naw-kham'
A primitive root; properly to SIGH, that is, breathe strongly; by implication to be SORRY, that is, (in a
favorable sense) to PITY, CONSOLE or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to AVENGE (oneself): COMFORTt (self), EASE [ones self], REPENT (-er, -ing, self).
SOME translator used the "repent" instead of "sigh or sorry"
but some got the correct translation of it
here they are
WEB
Gen 6:6 Yahweh was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him in his heart.
NHEB
Gen 6:6 The LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him in his heart.
BBE
Gen 6:6 And the Lord had sorrow because he had made man on the earth, and grief was in his heart.
WHAT MADE THEY WRONG IN USING "REPENT" AND NOT "SORRY, SORROW OR SIGH"?
here is the proof
Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; NEITHER THE SON OF MAN, THAT HE SHOULD
REPENT: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are WITHOUT REPENTANCE.
August 17 at 10:13pm Edited Like
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Samuel Tajuda 5. THE correct or the true christian are those who was built by God thru Christ around
2,000 years ago, and by the gospel we became a member of it
1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have FELLOWSHIP
with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
August 16 at 7:36pm Like 1

Montaser Hassan Are you done Samuel Tajuda 4 ur Replies?

August 16 at 7:55pm Like

Samuel Tajuda YES hassan

August 16 at 7:56pm Like

Montaser Hassan Thanks! You may give ur Cross Examination anytime from now (atleast 24hrs time
limit). 5 questions maximum all at once.
August 16 at 8:00pm Like

Samuel Tajuda OK
August 16 at 8:02pm Like

Montaser Hassan It's a normal way na bago tau tatalima at mag-uumpisa sa ganitong Formal Debate ay
nabasa natin lhat at naintindihan ang nakatakdang RULES AND FORMAT OF THE DEBATE. JUST PM
ME 4 ANY CLARIFICATION REGARDING THIS THREAD. I'm not the assigned moderator, but as coadmin of this group ay tumutulong lng para maassist ito. PEACE!
August 16 at 9:12pm Like 2

Samuel Tajuda MY CROSS EXAMINATION TO THE ARGUMENTS OF Abu Jaiyana

Q1.
is quran a word of allah alone and none else like muhamad or iblis?
Q2
First the Quran claims to be the word of God, and it challenges the whole mankind who doubted that it
indeed the Word of God, to produce one singe surah (chapter) like it in Surah 2:23
just Yes or No
are you sure that paul and other apostle didnt produce a single chapter which is better than the chapters
in your quran?
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Q3.
2:2 This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil).
the word "scripture" means that it is already witten before he said it.
is the "scripture" written here is the same"scripture" being mentioned in surah 10:94 and 9:29? why or
why not
Q4.
do noah and other prophets whom you say as "bad example" are not prophets in quran book also?
Q5.
if judaism and christianity are a doomed religion, why allah says that whosoever judge not according to
the gospel are evil livers/doers? why not quran instead of the gospel in surah 5:47?
August 16 at 9:53pm Like 2

Montaser Hassan We'll wait Abu Jaiyana's reply. (24 hrs Time Limit)
August 16 at 9:59pm Like 2

Abu Jaiyana Question#1, Answer.

Yes, there is no other word in the Quran besides the Words of God, Allah. The statement of the Angels,
Adam, Iblis, and others are merely quoted by Allah when Allah is narrating their stories. That is why a
verse may say and the Angels said. and Iblis said and Adam said which mean that Allah is quoting
their statements.
To make it easy for you to understand, let me give you this example:
Im telling you that your friend Montaser Hassan has said the debate between Samuel Tajuda, and
AbuJaiyana is very exciting
So these words or statement of Montaser Hassan which you came to know is through MY Words
because I narrated it to you, not because Montaser Hassan has personally told you so.
Similarly, when God, Allah quoted the statements of the Angels or Iblis or anyone else, the entire
narration is Gods Word, not the words of those whom God has quoted to have said something.
The Quran was a direct revelation from God to Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. through Angel Gabriel, so
there is no way that any other words can mix with it except that they were quoted statements.
Thanks .
Question#2, Answer.
Yes Im pretty sure that Paul did not and could not produce even a single chapter of the Quran due to the
following facts:
1. The Quran is in Arabic language and the peak of eloquence in Arabic language while Paul or any of
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the disciples did not speak Arabic, let alone eloquent Arabic.
2. The most eloquent people in Arabic language are those contemporaries of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.
however, they were not able to meet the Quranic challenge, how much more the non-Arabic speaking
people.
3. None of the writings of Paul or of any disciples is known to be eloquent, let alone be of the same level
of the eloquence of the Quran.
If you know of any eloquent passage in the New Testament, translate it to Arabic and let us examine if it
can match the Quran.
Ill give you an example.
The theme is monotheism. Chapter 112:1-4
Qul Huwallaho Ahad
Allahos-Samad
Lamyalid wa Lamyulad
Wa Lamyakullaho kufuwan ahad.
Produce a chapter like it - it is a very short chapter only. Make sure it talks about the same theme so we
will not be comparing apples with oranges. Provide the translation as well.
Thanks.
Question #3 Answer:
The Quran is a complete scripture even before it was revealed to Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. in the Lahw
Al Mahfuz. It was revealed in stages within the period of 23 years depending on the circumstance of the
time.
It is not the same scripture as mentioned in Surah 10:94 and in 9:29. You misunderstood those two
verses because they are talking about people who read the scripture, i.e. Jews and Christians. It is not
talking about the scriptures themselves. So thats a correction to your misunderstanding of those two
verses.
Moreover, the people of the scripture or better known as People of the Book which is referring to the
Jews and the Christians are called as such because there were revelations sent by God to them, the
Toran and the Psalms, and the Injeel of Jesus, respectively.
Those former revelations were not preserved by them, and what has been left therein are mixtures of
truth and falsehood, that is why the Quran is the Muhaimen, filter, or criterion what is acceptable and
what is not acceptable from them.
The examples of those unacceptable stuff from those scriptures are those which I mentioned in my
presentation.
Thanks.
Question #4 Answer:
Oh yes, Noah, Lot, Solomon, and Jesus peace be upon them all are all Prophets of God in the Quran as
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well, but unlike the Bible which portray them as bad examples because of those scandalous acts written
therein, it is not to be found in the Quran.
In the Quran those Prophets have no record of any scandalous acts, they were good examples in the
Quran. It doesnt make any sense that the chosen people of God are bad examples because they are
representing God.
Therefore, in that premise, it is better for you and for your Christian brethren to abandon the Bible and
follow the Quran.
Thanks.
Question #5 Answer:
First of all, I didnt say that Judaism is a doomed religion. You have a habit of misquoting peoples
statement my friend. What I said about doomed religion in my presentation is related to the Trinitarian
religion, i.e. those religion which teaches that God is 3in1. So dont misquote me, it wont work my friend.
Secondly you also falsely presumed that the Gospel mentioned in the Quran is your Bible you are
absolutely wrong my friend. The Gospel mentioned in the Quran is clearly the Gospel of Jesus Christ it
is a revelation from God after the Totah of Moses and the Psalm of David.
The Gospel mentioned in the Quran was revealed to Jesus Christ, while your Bible such as the New
Testament was not seen, let alone read by Jesus.
The New Testament is a collection of writings of both known and unknown people long after Jesus so
that could never be the Gospel of Jesus.
Read the context of the verse again so you wont be misguided:
5: 46. And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before
him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come
before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.
5: 47. Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by
(the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.
So you are told to judge what Allah has revealed in the Gospel of Jesus, not what Paul, or Mark, or Luke,
or Matthew, or John wrote.
What did God revealed in the Gospel of Jesus?
Let the Quran speak:
5: 45. And We prescribed for them therein: The life for the life, and the eye for the eye, and the nose for
the nose, and the ear for the ear, and the tooth for the tooth, and for wounds retaliation. But whoso
forgoeth it (in the way of charity) it shall be expiation for him. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath
revealed: such are wrong-doers.
So Judge according to that ruling because that is what the Quran is saying according to the very context
of the verse. You just need to read two verses before Surah 5:47, you will understand the context.
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There is no way you can distort the meaning of any of the verses of the Quran my friend in my presence
because I read and studied our sacred scripture.
Thank you.
August 16 at 10:49pm Like 7

Abu Jaiyana Thanks Bro Montaser Hassan. Samuel Tajuda may now proceed to his rebuttal, with the 24
hours time limit.
Thank you.
August 16 at 10:53pm Like

Montaser Hassan Ma-shaa Allah. Thanks, too, bro Abu Jaiyana.

Samuel, u can lay anytime ur Rebuttal as what the Format of this debate states. smile emoticon
August 16 at 11:21pm Like

Samuel Tajuda As what i have said, we are debating about the BETTER and not the worse thing in our
Holy Book.
Instead of taking my challenge to him to present the better guidance than what i have posted from Bible,
hed rather post the sad but true happenings in the bible that muhammad had forgot to copy. Like what
really had happen to noah and lut, instead of writing the true event, muhammad forged and fabricated a
different story about them thats why allah punished him.
Quran 69:44-46
And if he had fabricated against Us some of the sayings, We would certainly have seized him by the right
hand, then We would certainly have cut off his aorta. (Shakir)
Muhammad, being illiterate and ignorant, had just invent his own versin of story about the said prophets
thats why allah had cut off his aorta. Here is the proof:
Sahih al-Bukhari 4428
The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, O Aishah! I still feel the pain caused by the
food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if MY AORTA IS BEING CUT from that poison.
Sunan Abu Dawud 4498
A Jewess presented [Muhammad] at Khaibar a roasted sheep which she had poisoned. The Apostle of
Allah ate of it and the people also ate. He then said: Lift your hands (from eating), for it has informed me
that it is poisoned. Bishr b. al-Bara b. Marur al-Ansari died. So he (the Prophet) sent for the Jewess (and
said to her): What motivated you to do the work you have done? She said: If you were a prophet, it would
not harm you; but if you were a king, I would rid the people of you. The Apostle of Allah then ordered
regarding her and she was killed. He then said about the pain of which he died: I continued to feel pain
from the morsel which I had eaten at Khaibar. This is the time when IT HAS CUT OFF AORTA.
NOW lets back to his arguments,
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He said, no one has disproven the claim of their book that NO ONE can make any surah that states the
same on any surah of quran (2:23)... OH WHAT A FOOLISH CLAIM. IF MANY PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO
TRANSLATE ALL SURAH OF QURAN....HOW MUCH MORE IN MAKING THE SAME SURAH???
REALLY FOOLISH CLAIM.
HE also used the surah 2:2 and it says like this
2:2 This is the Scripture (or Book) whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil).
The ayah/verse is mentioning about the sripture/book w/c was given to him as guidance. It plainly states
that the said scripture is already written in a book when HE gave IT to him.
For it says THIS IS THE SCRIPTURE
It didnt say that this WILL BE the scripture.........write this
There is A BIG DIFFERENCE in that kinds of statements.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THE BOOK OF QURAN THAT MUSLIMS HAVE POSSESSED TODAY IS
ORIGINALLY WRITTEN BY THE CALIPHS AFTER THE DEATH OF SO-CALLED PUPPET,
MUHAMMAD. THEY CANT DENY THAT.
So, what is that scripture being mentioned there as the book of guidance?
LET US ASK ALLAH IF WHAT BOOK HE IS REFFERRING. LETS READ
10:94 And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question
those who read the Scripture (THE BIBLE) (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath
come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.
29:46 And argue not with the People of the Scripture (BIBLE) unless it be in (a way) that is better, save
with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and
revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender.
29:47 In like manner We have revealed unto thee the Scripture (BIBLE), and those unto whom We gave
the Scripture aforetime will believe therein; and of these (also) there are some who believe therein. And
none deny Our revelations save the disbelievers.
IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE SCRIPTURE GIVEN BY ALLAH AS A GUIDANCE IS THE SCRIPTURE
GIVEN AFORETIME (the scripture given before allah was born) and that is the BIBLE.
OUR brother here also has a problem of having many Gods in the bible. That is true. But, Does the bible
told us to worship all known Gods? The answer is a BIG NO... for the bible teaches only to worship the
GOD OF ALL GODS who created all things.
1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many,
and lords many,)
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord
Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall WORSHIP THE FATHER in
spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
SEE... only the FATHER must be worshipped because HE is the MOST HIGH GOD, the GOD of
gods(including allah).
Psa 82:1 GOD stands in the congregation of the mighty; HE judges among the gods.
According to him,
The Religion BEFORE Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent
therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the
Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account. Surah 3:19. And he concluded that quran tells us to
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follow islam. (note: this religion is BEFORE ALLAH, not after allah. It exists before their god exist. WHAT
A JOKE HEHEHEHE)
NOW LETS READ SOME COMMANDMENTS IN QURAN, THEN ASK YOURSELVES IF IT IS REALLY
GOOD TO FOLLOW
QURAN
2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them,
3:28 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers.
9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them
(captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.
22:19 These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their
Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured
down on their heads,
22:20 Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted;
22:21 And for them are hooked rods of iron.
22:22 Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is
said unto them): Taste the doom of burning.
Compare to the BIBLE
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, bless them that curse you, do good to them that
hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:46 For if all of you love them which love you, what reward have all of you? do not even the
publicans the same?
1Pe 2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
WELL, I THINK THAT IS ENOUGH FOR YOU TO DECIDE WHICH GUIDANCE IS BETTER TO BE
FOLLOWED.
August 17 at 9:59pm Like

Samuel Tajuda BEFORE I FORGOT HE HAS ALSO MISINTERPRETED THIS VERSES IN THE BIBLE.
I will just explain this to him.
For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every
man according to his deeds. Truly I say toyou, there are some of those who are STANDING HERE who
will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. Matthew 16: 27, 28
HE has a problem with the phrase STANDING HERE...he WRONGLY INTERPRETED IT.
According to Jesus there are some of those who are STANDING HERE who will not taste death until
they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom...STANDING WHERE? IS IT IN THE LITERAL PLACE
WHERE THEY STOOD?
Let us analyze the whole chapter CONTEXTUALLY in order to get the correct interpretaion of that
verses.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto you, That you are Peter, and upon this ROCK I will build my CHURCH;
and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 And I will give unto you the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever you shall bind on
earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Mat 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
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Mat 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to show unto his disciples, how that he must go unto
Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be
raised again the third day.
Mat 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from you, Lord: this shall not
be unto you.
Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get you behind me, Satan: you are an offence unto me: for
you savour not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and
take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall
find it.
Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what
shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall
reward every man according to his works.
Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some STANDING HERE, which shall not taste of death, till they
see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
GOD thru Christ built the Church upon a ROCK, and that rock or stone was Christ
Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of
Nazareth, whom all of you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him does this man stand
here before you whole.
Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nothing of you builders, which is become the head of the
corner.
So, the CHURCH (the people standing upon the rock) will remain till he come back.
And its true, for the CHURCH is still here (alive) today and will remain STANDING until he come back.
IN HIS CONCLUSION ALSO, HE SAID,
There are lots and lots of reasons why we should not follow the Bible even though it contains some good
teachings. The danger and risk is too much for our salvation.
Our ONLY ALTERNATIVE is the Quran because of the reasons which I mentioned above.
HE ADMITTED THAT THE BIBLE CONTAINS GOOD TEACHINGS...AND I PRESSUMED THAT HE
ADMITTED ALSO THAT THE BIBLE IS REALLY THE MAIN SOURCE TO ATTAIN SALVATION, for
the quran is ONLY AN ALTERNATIVE according to him.
August 17 at 10:00pm Like 1

Abu Jaiyana Rebuttal

Bismillah.
Im sorry for the defeat of my Christian opponent in this debate, Samuel Tajuda because he did not want
to follow the rules of the debate which he presumably read before this debate starts.
You know folks, when we represent a religion, we should show to our audience that we are not unruly
people, that we respect what we have agreed upon to follow, not be deceitful in our words.

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The defeat of my opponent is nothing to me, it is not much important to those who are seeking the truth,
but we have to discipline people who have no self-discipline to their own selves. Im sure that the
Christian audience would not feel happy for what Samuel Tajuda has done.
Anyway, there is not much stuff to rebut here about the Quran because Samuel Tajuda did not say
anything about the Quran in his presentation he was merely presenting his bible presuming that there
are no problem in his bible as a scripture and with its contents.
In my presentation I pointed out that there is a necessity of knowing whether or not God has told us to
follow the Quran or the Bible because God knows what is the truth and He has to inform us which Book
of Guidance we should be following it is not a matter personal opinion because we are not infallible, we
may be right or we may be wrong.
I clearly pointed out that God told us to follow the Quran because it is a Book in which there is no doubt a
guidance for the believers as stated in Surah 2:2-3.
In contrast, I asked Samuel Tajuda whether there is such command of God for them in the Bible His
clear answer is a BIG NO!
He cited Matthew 28:19-20 in which Jesus supposedly told his disciples to teach all nations and baptize
them, ect, but that was not my question folks, and that is totally 100 miles away from the truth because
those disciples didnt have the New Testament in their hands that time simply because the New
Testament was written by both known and unknown many, many years after Jesus therefore, it is
extremely impossible to construe that passage as a commandment to follow the Bible.
Samuel Tajuda is also ignorant about the difference between a translation and a version it seems that I
am more familiar about his Bible that him. I asked him which version of the Bible is to be followed, but he
responded about following any translation. Very funny.
Please take note Samuel Tajuda that Version and Translation are not the same banana. I dont have the
opportunity to elaborate that here though I really love to teach you something about that issue. Take that
as your homework dont be offended, okay?
I also pointed out that God did choose special people to deliver His message to mankind throughout
history such as the Prophets which serves as role models for their respective people that is what we
find in the Quran.
However, in contrast, the Bible says that those God-chosen people are immoral men, bad examples for
us, and a shame to God.
Imagine that President Pinoy Aquino sends ambassador to Rome, when the ambassador is there, he
was seen by the people of Rome to be a drunkard, or naked due to drunkenness, worships idols, have
sex with his own daughter for whatever reason would that NOT embarrass the President? It will not
only embarrass the President but also it will be a big shame to all Filipinos.
So what is the moral lesson there? Nothing, no moral lessor whatsoever except IMMORALITY.
Imagine if someone is doing any of those immoralities, and in the Day of Judgment God will question that
person why did he commit such shameful and sinful act he would simply say that well, im just an
ordinary person, even you best men Oh God, Your Prophets did the same, so why blame me?
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You see how God would be embarrassed about it.

Praise be to God, those immoralities attributed to the Prophets is not found in the Quran, it is only found
in the Bible. So We should choose to follow the Quran instead of the Bible.
August 18 at 9:31am Like 1

Abu Jaiyana I also asked Samuel Tajuda about the statement of Jesus in the Bible , Put up again thy
sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. In Mat. 26:52 and
Samuel Tajuda confirmed it without any clue about the implication of my question.
Folks, that statement attributed to Jesus Christ is FALSE!!! Not all who take swords will perish by the
sword.
Classic example is the Sahabi KHALID IBN WALID r.a. he was literally a man of sword to the extent
that he was name Saifullah (Sword of Allah) because his life is dedicated to fighting and fighting
strategies. He was the commander during the Battle of Uhad against the Musims and the Muslims were
defeated. When he became a Muslim, he was the commanders of many battles against the Romans and
the Persians, and he and his men were able to defeat their enemies despite their small number. Guess
what, he didnt die in battle, he died in natural death.
There are many people who lived by the sword but didnt die by it you know soldiers who have retired
from their jobs and die naturally.
What do this facts tell us in connection to the words of Jesus in the Bible? They tell us that Jesus in the
Bible is a BIG LIAR because he said something which is totally UNTRUE.
Should we follow the bible then and emulate Jesus Christ who said false statements? I dont think so.
Praise God, Jesus Christ did not utter a lie in the Quran, so we should rather follow the Quran, not the
Bible ladies and gents.
Samuel Tajuda tried to defend the False prophecy of Jesus in the Bible in which Jesus said to the people
and his disciples that they will not taste death until he comes back, yet all those people has died but no
Jesus came back. Samuel said that standing here doesnt mean standing in a certain place, but
something about building a church upon rock, really??
GOD thru Christ built the Church upon a ROCK, and that rock or stone was Christ
Folks, that is 100% false!
Jesus was telling his disciples that his kingdom will come and when it comes they will see it before they
die. Let me post the passage again and read it for yourselves:
For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every
man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will
not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. Matthew 16: 27, 28
In fact I supported it with the understanding of the writers of the New Testament such as Paul he
believes that Jesus is coming very soon as prophecied:
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Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on
whom the end of the ages has come. 1 Corinthians 10:11
Do not seek a wife. This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short. From now
on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were
not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though
they had no goods, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the
present form of this world is passing away. 1 Corinthians 7:27,29-31
That is pretty clear folks. So Samuel Tajuda should debate Paul about their interpretation of that verse,
but I think the Christians would favor Paul over Samuel Tajuda tongue emoticon
I also pointed out that the Quran made it very clear which religion should we be following, and that is
Islam.
In contrast, no suggested religion, let alone emphasis to follow any religion in the Bible it means that
there is no unanimity in that matter. Everyone can create his/her own religion which would result to chaos
and confusion among those who want to follow the Bible this is clear misguidance instead of guidance.
Samuel Tajuda said about fellowship could be the right one folks, is fellowship a religion?? Very poor
response indeed!
August 18 at 9:33am Like 1

Abu Jaiyana Now, about the God that repents which is a clear BLASPHEMY! Samuel Tajuda said it is a
mistranslation. Well, I did not translate it, the Christians did. He said that it is supposed to be Sorry
instead of repent.
That is a FALSE ALIBI folks because the context of the passage says that when God saw what men had
done, he repented:
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Genesis
6:6
So you see the context belies Samuel Tajuda. It cant be sorry because to whom God would be sorry to
that He created man on earth? It doesnt make sense, right. And even if we say it God was sorry that
He created man on earth, it is still problematic because God could have known what men would do on
earth even before they were created this still shows ignorance of the future on the part of God is God
ignorant of the future??? I dont think so.
Praise God, the All-knowing! God is free of ignorance in the Quran, not like the God in the Bible!
Samuel Tajuda, in his deperation in finding faults in the Quran, he cited and misinterpreted the hadiths. I
have very good responses to all of them but I dont have the opportunity here due to the limited word
count, and it is NOT PART OF THE DEBATE. It is a FALLACY called RED-HERRINGS! Diverting the
topic of the debate into something else so instead of getting a plus from it, it is a BIG MINUS to Samuel
Tajudas points, if he has any point at all in this debate.
I will comment on some of his irrelevant points in his rebuttal in my conclusion. He brought new issues in
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his rebuttal. A rebuttal is supposed to be a refutation of what has been presented, and not presenting
new issues. Samuel Tajuda should be knowing this stuff because he is said to be a good Christian
debater. You cant be considered as a good debater if you dont even know the stages of debate, what to
say in your presentation and in your rebuttal because they are not the same stuff ladies and gentlemen.
I strongly believe that I have made a fair comparison between the Bible and the Quran, and I also believe
that I have made a strong argument for the Quran, while Samuel Tajuda has made a very poor defense
for his Bible.
Thank you.
August 18 at 9:34am Like 4
Montaser Hassan Kahapon, nagcontinue si bro Abu Jaiyana na ipresenta ang kanyang Rebuttal maski may
hatol na d2 sa debateng ito. So we have said din na magproproceed si Samuel to give his Conclusion as the
last part from his side sa debateng ito. But since nagpaalam s...See More
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Samuel Tajuda Good day to all the followers of this thread.
Again, instead of presenting the better teachings of quran, our brother abu jaiyana, was busy in making
FALSE ACCUSATION. Ou r topic is the BETTER teachings of our holy books, but its sad to say, abu havent
refuted the better teachings from the bible that i posted here.
abu judged me easily that im ignorant, well, as what ive said, its easy to say that but its hard to prove. Like
about the difference between version and translation, i said all translation, why? Because the version is a
translation from the original manuscript written, some in stones, in woods etc. So, all translation is a general
term, for if i mention all the versions here...then i,ll be fouled for violating the word-counts limit.
he said that the prophets in the bible who were as role models are immoral. Its NOT truE (not all prophets
have immoral past) why, because God chosen them to become the best example, that they, whom in the
PAST are bad guys, became a GOD-fearing men. Unlike in quran, muhammad raped a 9year old girl in time
when he was in service to allah, he had sex also with his dead wife. EEEWWWW. What a VERY BAD ROLE
MODEL. About the surah 5:45-47 also, that the gospel being qouted is about the tooth for tooth and a life for
a life, its an another fabrication of muhammad that leads him to death, ill show you whats written in gospel:
Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said (IN TORAH), An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you (IN GOSPEL), That ye RESIST NOT EVIL: but whosoever shall smite thee on
thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
SEE? They heard IN TORAH before that it,s an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth that was in torah not in
gospel, for gospel teaches about giving and loving IN WHICH QURAN DOES NOT TEACH.
He also accused Jesus as a liar (like-how-he accused-me), he who live by the sword shall die by the sword.
Is it true? YES ITS TRUE, we who live in this earth shall die in this earth, its not in literal sword only, a soldier
who retired is not a soldier anymore, and he dies on how he live.
About the standing here issue, well its not a literal place that Jesus was talking. Abu took it literally (i have
explain this already.) paul told the widows to have no husband again because of the PERSECUTION that
was coming and its not about the coming back of Jesus. That persecution took place on DARK AGES in our
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history.
Our God is all-knowing
Isa 46:9-10 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is
none like me, DECLARING THE END FROM THE BEGINNING, and from ancient times the things that are
not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
SO HE KNOWS EVERYTHING (about the repent issue, a have answered it already in ANSWER 4 of his
cross-exam.
WHOS GOD IS IGNORANT???
LETS READ
36:38 And the SUN RUNNETH on unto a RESTING-PLACE for him. That is the measuring of the
Mighty(???), the Wise(???).
36:39 And for the MOON We have appointed MANSIONS till she return like an old shrivelled palm-leaf.
36:40 It is NOT FOR THE SUN TO OVERTAKE THE MOON, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float
each in an orbit.
TELL ME, WHO IS IGNORANT?
ALLAH SAID, IT IS NOT FOR THE SUN TO OVERTAKE THE MOON. THE SUN AND MOON ARE
CHASING EACH OTHER.
AND IF THEY ARE TIRED, THEY HAVE A RESTING-PLACE
ALLAH IS VERY IGNORANT
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Abu Jaiyana CONCLUSION

Ladies and Gents:
This is supposed to be the conclusion of the arguments that Samuel Tajuda and I had presented.
However, as I had pointed out in my rebuttal, Samuel Tajuda doesnt know what to write in the rebuttal.
He brought up new and many irrelevant issues.
He talked about hadiths which has nothing to do with the topic of the debate in comparing the Bible and
the Quran, therefore, I decided to give some sort of rebuttal here in my conclusion.
He said that many people were able to translate the Quran, so he concluded that it can be made to, and
he said it is a foolish claim.
Folks, I did give an example of a short surah in the Quran, 112:1-4, for Tajuda to match and refute, but
HE FAILED TO GIVE ANYTHING A SURAH LIKE THE QURAN so my argument still stands.
Moreover, I pointed out earlier that Tajuda is ignorant about the difference between a version and a
translation, and now, he is also showing ignorance between a translation and a composition.
TRANSLATING the Quran, and MAKING a surah like the Quran is NOT THE SAME BANANA Mr.
TAJUDA tongue emoticon
Mr. Tajuda ignored my reply to his cross-exam question #3 that the Quran is a complete Scripture even
before it was revealed to the Prophet that is why Allah always refer to it as a Scripture such as in Surah
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2:2.
This was my reply to his question which he did not refute:
Question #3 Answer: THE QURAN IS A COMPLETE SCRIPTURE EVEN BEFORE IT WAS REVEALED
TO PROPHET MUHAMMAD S.A.W. IN THE LAHW AL MAHFUZ. It is a fallacy called PIGHEADEDNESS of Tajuda.
Tajuda also said that the Quran was written by the Caliphs after Prophet Muhammad it is a BIG, BIG
LIE. The Quran was written by the Scribes of the Prophet whenever a verse or a passage is revealed to
him such as Zaid bin Thabit r.a. and many others.
What the Caliphs did was they merely CODIFIED the WRITTEN COPIES OF THE SCRIBES after
Prophet Muhammad, and those codified copies were called Masahif. There was one Mushaf during the
time of Abubakr, and it was standardized and reproduced in to many Masahif during the time of Uthman.
You can read that in any ULUM AL QURAN book such the one authored by Ahmad Von Denfer, it is
available online.
So Tajuda is either IGNORANT about it OR he was LYING to us in order to DECEIVE the audience.
Tajuda also insisted that the Previous Scriptures that the Quran was referring to is the Bible, BUT he
already admitted the fact the New Testament was NEVER SEEN BY JESUS, let alone read by Jesus
so it cannot be the Injeel of Jesus that the Quran is talking about.
Samuel Tajuda quoted the ayat in the Quran which command the Muslims to fight, but we know that
those commandments have historical contexts and that they were commandments in times of WAR.
In the Bible, Jesus commanded to slay the enemies, and in the OT, so many commandments to kill the
apostates, the people of other religions, and even genocide including livestock and cattle had Tajuda
read his Bible properly, he would not have criticized the Quran for having such commandment to fight the
enemies.
The VERY POOR ENGLISH of Tajuda; he was laughing about the verse, the Religion BEFORE Allah is
Islam. He said that why is the religion comes before Allah and not after Allah?
OMG!!! The word before there folks doesnt mean adverb of time. It simply means acceptable to Allah
(inna deena indallahi Al Islam) the Arabic for before as an adverb of time is (kabl) not (inda).
Lastly Tajuda doesnt know the difference between THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE, and ONLY AN
ALTERNATIVE. Folks, the former means No OTHER ALTERNATIVE while the latter means SIMPLY AN
ALTERNATIVE.
All that Tajuda has done in this debate is make allegations against the Quran and interpret them on his
own WITHOUT ANY SUBSTANCE.
It is very clear that the BIBLE SIDE IS COMPLETELY OVERWHELMED BY THE QURAN SIDE in this
debate.
May Allah guide Tajuda and his family, the Christians to Islam.
Thanks.
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Montaser Hassan Alhamdulillah. Thanks bro for ur conclusion. Jazzakallah.

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