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which, although fundamental to Buddhist doctrine, has never been satisfactorily explained at a
linguistic level. Truly a thorough study of the Tathgatas doctrine on dukkha, with and
without the superlative ariya sacca.
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And then Normans paper Why are the Four Noble Truths Called Noble? (1990) gives a concise
summary of the place of ariya sacca.
All of this may seem much over nothing, like Gandalf's questioning of Bilbo's simple good
morning. However, what I have found useful in these papers is at least caution on how critical
a rendering pi idiom into English (or another) language is.
Another page to read is one Dmytro had posted on this topic here on DW
Who are you? said the Caterpillar.
Alice replied rather shyly, II hardly know, sir, just at presentat least I knew who I was when I
got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.
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Ennobling Truths".
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They point out that the compound can have a number of meanings. It can mean
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I tend to prefer 3. as well; 1. & 2. both seem to me to be synonyms for *buddha-sacca, which
can be understood in the same way that 'buddha-dhamma' can be understood: the Buddha's
Dhamma which he discovered but did not invent & the Buddha's Truth which he discovered but
did not invent.
So I'll say "Buddhadhamma", or "the Dhamma", or "the ennobling truths" to refer to this.
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However, what I have found useful in these papers is at least caution on how critical a rendering
pi idiom into English (or another) language is.
Indeed! Getting foreign language idioms into one's wheelhouse is the bee's knees, though a hard
nut to crack...
"And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit,
development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way
that by protecting oneself one protects others.
"And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience,
harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one
protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
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There is, in fact, at least one further possibility, where the first element is also taken
in the genitive, but as a simple possessive the truths of, possessed by, the noble
ones. This could be a reference to the Buddhists as a whole, as these would then be
truths held by the Buddhists, as opposed to anything held by the Jains or the
Brhmaas.
I personally have encountered resistance from Western students whenever noble truth is
attach to the doctrine on dukkha. It has a dogmatic tone that anti-traditional hippies dont
like. And to rather get the edifying information of Dhamma across, I leave it out of some
materials, talks and discussions.
Who are you? said the Caterpillar.
Alice replied rather shyly, II hardly know, sir, just at presentat least I knew who I was when I
got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.
LEWIS CARROLL
Secure your own mask before assisting others. NORTHWEST AIRLINES (Pre-Flight Instruction)
A Handful of Leaves
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