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5The belief that the World is Eternal is held by Peripatetic Minded Philosophers.
6However they believed that the World with its Materials all are Possible Beings and
7Eternal Ad Aliis. That is they all are Eternal Effects. In General the disbelieved in Jazz
8La Yatazazza: [Indivisible Point Masses].
9A number of other Philosophers believed that the World is Eternal Per Se like Deity,
10but Deity is the Prime Mover. The Untouched Mover and Ultimate of Beings in
11Movements.It appears that Eternally the World was as rest yet Deity made the first
12Motion in the World , but a large number of Philosophers believe that The Deity is
13the Eternal Mover and the World is Perpetuum Mobile.The movement is Eternal and
14Perpetual.
15But when the Eternity of the World is once accepted portals to Atheism are opened
16once for All.
17Semitic Religions agree that Deity Not only Created the World but also the the
18Materials which constitute the World. There general view is not that Deity first
19Created the Materials required to Create the World and then Created the World, but
20that Deity Created the world With All Materials in the World. The technical term for
21this is AlJal Al Muraccab. The term for the Former is Al Jal Al Basi:t.
22Unfortunately Philosophers like Ibn Sina, Ibn Ar Rushd also advocated this view. It is
23very good to see that Saint Thomas refuted Ibn Ar Rushd in his Philosophical Views ,
24and took Refutation Of Ibn Ar Rushd as his Prime Task. Saint Thomas indirectly
25defended Judaism and Islam on the issues where Judaism , Christianity and Islam
26agree against Ibn Ar Rushd. His perscrutation must be held in great respect and
27regard. In Indian Philosophy there are different views and believes about the
28Genesis of the Cosmos.
29Simple Hymn Of Genesis in Vig Veda is interpreted differently by different Indian
30Religious System.
31Pandit Dianand Sarsuti was a founder of a new Hindu Sect , yet he chose that
32Interpretation which is based on the Eternity of at least six types of Eternal
33Beings.He believed that Deity Constituted the World from them. If any one of them
34did not Exist Eternally, Deity Would be Unable to Manufacture the World. Although
35the followers of Respected Dianand Sarsuti use the word CREATION but it is not
36used in the Semitic sense but in the sense of Manufacturing and Construction from
37given Materials. So they are believed to Pre-Exist the World. In is strange to see that
38even he has mentioned the temporality of the Materials which he generally
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40He believed that only an illiterate person can believe that any thing Distinct from
41Deity is Non Eternal instead of a disputed claim among intellectual scholars. His
42rigid views were not liked even by Vedic Scholars of other Hindu sects.
43DISCUSSION

ON THE BELIEF OF PANDIDT DIANAND

44SARSUTI IN REGARD TO GENESIS OF THE WORLD.
45PANDIT DIANAND SARSUTI believed that there are things which are Eternal.
461] God [Param Atma , Barmh]
472] Prakti or Sat [Mother Nature, Cause Of Universe]
483] Parmanu [ Spherical Point Masses ]
494]Spirits [ Jeo Atma]
505] Sky [Acash or Asat]
516] Vedas [ Words Of God]
52According to his system God is not a Creator but a Manufacturer who Manufactured
53the World from
54Permanu, Practi and Spirits. So if any one of them did not existed God Could Not
55Have the Power to Make the World.
56For Spirits [Souls] Diyanand says:
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58 Both God and the soul are eternal, they are alike in consciousness and such other attributes.
59They are associated together
60 ,and souls \spirits are mutual companions.
61Initially Dianand believed that Only God and Omnipotence are Eternal. He wrote:=
62Prior to the Beginning of the World Shonia Acash or Asat did not Exist.
63At that time Sat or Parcti [the Unsenseable Cause] did not Exist as well; and at that time
64Parmanu [Point spherical Masses] also did not existed. However at that time Existed ONLY
65uncaused Omnipotence [SAMRATH] Of God [Barmh], [ which is beyond the World]. [BHOMKA :
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67This does shew that Vedas simply treach and preach that Any thing which is Other Than God is
68created whether it be Spirits, Parmanus, Asat [Acash] or Sat [Paracti]. Pandit Dianand was
69compelled to write this truth.
70This means that initially he believed that Only God and His Omnipotence are Eternal but he latter
71either changed his views or due to some his own reason began to preach other wise but still in
72heart believed in it. That is the reason he wrote what contradicts Arya Samaj belief of six
73Eternals. His followers usually neglect this view and preach otherwise. This is a proof that simple
74Teachings of Vedas were distorted by means of Dianandi Philosophy. Vedas only and simply
75preach that God
76And His Attributes like Breathing[Spiration,spiratio,] or Vita and Omnipotence are Eternal.
77Even Will Of God is not Eternal.
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79But the question is why they denied that God is A Creator, i.e One That Hath Power
80to make things out of nothingness.
81The answer is that he had very wrong interpretation of Vedas. Had he believed that
82Vedas believe that God Can Create things from nothingness ,he would have
83believed in it like some other Hindus.
84How ever according to his interpretation he thought that Vedas deny the Divine
85Attribute of reativity , he attempted to prove it on rational grounds.
86So our discussion is based on two things.
871]Vedic Proofs.
882]Rational Proofs.
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90Vedic Proofs.
911] The Great God the King revealed all kinds of knowledge to the human soul His eternal
92subjects through the Veda. YAJUR
93VEDA, 50, 8.
94It may be pointed out that the Vedic Hymn Of Creation does prove that In the Beginning Ther
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96This is a proof that Veda believes that Nothing Other Than Deity Existed In Eternity.
97This proves that the word Eternal in the Veda:50,8 means a Relative Eternity i.e Beginning .
98Beginning Is Not Eternity. The Veda 50,8 means in Context Of HYMN Stated Above :=
991] The Great God the King revealed all kinds of knowledge to the human soul His
100Beginning subjects through the Veda. YAJUR
101VEDA, 50, 8.
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104Rational Proofs.
105The Rational Proofs given by them are as fallow.
1061]Analogical Proof:
107If some one want to make a pot he needs mud which is the material of the pot. It is
108unthinkable to make a pot with out mud. Similarly if some one want to make a chair
109he requires wood. A chair cannot be made with out its material, which is wood in
110this case.
111But if it is supposed that a person makes a pod of some metal.
112metal like Copper or Silver or even Gold instead of mud.

He may use some

113But even then some material is required.

114If some one want to make a chair of some metal say brass he may use brass instead
115of wood. But some Material is requires. Similarly if God made the world He Required
116some thing which must pre-exist the world.
117Now if this required thing is not Eternal then it is made. Then the maker of this thing
118which is the material of the world is made then an other material is required. This
119add up to infinitum. This is impossible. So there must be some thing which is the
120Eternal Material of the world.
1212]The Postulate Of Impossibility.
122It is taken as a Postulate that Nothing Can Be Made With Out Pre Existing Material.
123That is it is Impossible that any thing can be made by an Agent with out its Material
124which exist prior to it. It is generally taken as a Postulate and no convincing proof of
125this claim is ever given.
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126Some how ever have attempted to revert this Postulate into a theorem and have
127provided an attempted proof for it.
128The have argued as follow:=
129If God Created then there are Only Two Possible Options.
1301]This Act Of Creation Occured When This Act Of Creation Did Not Exist .
1312]The Act Of Creation Occured When This Act Of Creation Did Exist .
132The former is IMPOSSIBLE since It is the Union Of Creation and Not Creation.
133The Latter is IMPOSSIBLE since Is the the Achieving Of the Achieved. It is Achieving
134the Very Self Of An Act Which Has Been Already Achieved.
135As both of the Alternatives are Impossible , The Act Of Creation Was Impossible. If It
136Was Impossible It is Perpetually Impossible .
1373]Argument of Ownership and Lordship .
138God is the King of the universe. He is an Eternal Lord. If God is the Lord then there
139must be some thing of which God should be LORD Of. Other wise Deity Cease to be
140an Eternal Lord. In other words Deity is not a Lord in Eternity. God is the Owner of
141the Universe and the world is His Property [Property in the sense of Owned things ,
142not in the sense of Quality]. God Cannot be Owner in Eternity If he the Material ,
143Spirits etc do not exist in Eternity. Similarly God would be a King without Kingdom,
144an Emperor with out any Empire and with out any Empyreal Army.
1454]Argument Of Love.
146God Loves His Subjects. Quality Of Love is Eternal. If His Subjects are not Eternal
147then His Quality Of Love Ceases in Eternity. God Must Love some things Distinct
148from God. If God Loveth some one In God orGodhead or if God loveth His Godhead
149then it is not Love but a type of Self Centerness . So the Spirits , Matter etc are
150Eternally Loved by God.
1515]Argument Of Justice.
152God is Just. If God is Just then he must be doing Justice .If there is no Subjects which
153are Judged by God
154Then God is not Just in Eternity.
1556]Argument Of Worship
156God means an Object Of Worship or One Who is worshipped. If Spirits are not
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158of worship. This means God ceases to be God. If God was not worshipped in Eternity
159Then God was not God in Eternity. This implies God Himself is not Eternal.
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1617]Argument Of Objectivity.
162i]If God is Omnipotent then there must be some thing under the Divine Power in
163Eternity. Otherwise God is Powerless in Eternity.
164ii]Similarly if God is Omniscience then there must be some thing which is in his
165knowledge. If there is nothing in Divine Knowledge then Knowledge ceases.
166iii]If Willeth to make a thing from nothingness He must Will at some thing which
167Exists. Other wise if there is nothing can be willed.
1688] Argument of Nothing is some thing.
169It is rarely argued that If God Made the world from NOTHING, then Nothing is Some
170Thing from which God Made the World. If there is some thing from which God made
171the world then this contradicts the claim that God made the world with out any
172thing.
173Dianand believed that Deity is not even the cause of Spirits, Pramanu etc. He
174believed in total independence of them.
175These are Uncaused as the Deity is Uncaused.
176Now it may be seen that all these Eternal THINGS SHARE the following Attributes
177and Qualities.
1781] Each one of them is Necessary Being.
1792] Each of them is Self Existing.
1803] Each one of them is Uncaused and Independent.
1814] Each one of them is Eternal.
1825]Their respective numbers are fixed and they can neither be increased or
183decreased.
1846]Annihilation Of Each One Of Them Is Impossible.
185Respected Diyanand did not claimed for the Eternity of the World but for the
186Eternity of Constituents and Ingredients Of the world.
187A part from them Dianand believed in the Eternity of Divine Qualities,Doings,Words
188as well.But as Deity is Communicable with them they are out discussion.
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189The Problems Of This Concept.

190If the Material say Parmanu etc are finite in number then this Imply that When all
191the Material are consumed in construction and fashioning of the world then Deity
192can not make a single thing howsoever small.
193Suppose that there are number of Spirits and number of Parmanu sufficient
194enough to make bodies of living beings such that in each body there rests only
195one Spirit.
196Suppose that God Of Dianandi System constituted living beings from the available
197constituents stated above. Now God in Dianandi System cannot make (+1)th
198living being since there is no Spirit left to rest in any body. So if the body of any
199living being is made [by Dianandi God] then it would be exclusively empty from any
200Spirit.This is pure Limitation of Divine Power.
201Where , N, < .
202[ Some Time it is said that the total number of Eternal Spirits is 4500000000,i.e
203=45*10exp10].
204It may be noted that each Parmanu is a point Sphere with a radius r, where r =0.
205So number of Parmanu is very very great then the number of Spirits. It must also
206be noted that the idea of Transmigration and reincarnation of Spirits is due to the
207belief of finite number of Eternal Spirits. [ RESPECTED DIANAND DID NOT EXPLAIN
208HOW DOES PERMANU CONSTITUTE A BODY AND HOW DO THEIR CONJUNCTION OCCURS.
209IF EACH PARMANU IS A POINT MASS AND A POINT SPHERE THEN THE ONLY POSSIBLE WAY

210TWO PERMANU CAN TOUCH OR CONTACT EACH OTHER IS TO OVER LAP EACH OTHER. BUT
211THIS ONLY MEANS THAT THEY OCCUPY ONE AND SAME SPACE, IBN THIS WAY IN INDEFINITE
212NUMBER OF PARMANU HOWSOEVER LARGE CAN OVERLAP EACH OTHER WITH OUT
213OCCUPYING ANY REGION OF SPACE EXCEPT A POINT SPACE. ]
214As the number of Spirits suggested by Respected Dianand is very small in compare
215to the generations of living beings on earth this means that transmigration is the
216only solution. But this also imply impossibility of life in other heavenly bodies i.e
217life in space. But the major objection is that Divine Power is very limited in world.
218God may be mighty then other beings yet not Almighty and Omnipotent. The only
219possible way left for Dianandi God is to break a thing into its Eternal Constituents
220and then to craft an other thing from it.
221This is another limitation of Dianandi God.
222Last but not the least God in this system has no power to perform Miracles.
223So this type of God is very weak.
224If spirits are eternal then there is no need of a God.It may be the case the case that
225Different Spirits have different Powers to make different parts of the world. The
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226collectively made the world. If so then there is no need of a Dianandi God.It may be
227suggested that some of the Eternal Spirits loves to Incarnate while some do
228not.Those who do not regulate and run the world.
229This system is Atheistic since the collection of Eternal brings is itself a world. So no
230need of a God to
231Expain the World.
232If it is supposed that Each Parmanu is a Rational Vital Being as rationality and vita
233as their eternal qualities then then it may be the case that bodies are made by
234parmanus themselves as a mutual
235Coordination. It cannot be proved that Parmanu are neither intelligent and nor
236rational things.
237An other objection is that if the materials required to fashion the world are Eternal
238and the world manufactured from them is not eternal then God was idle and inert in
239eternity as according to Dianandi system. An objection which he often made on
240others. If it is said that there is a world prior to every world thus a continuous series
241of distinct worlds constituted from same constituents , then as this series is claimed
242to be Eternal, there Must be an Eternal World in Eternity. This world would be
243unmade, unmanufactured and un fashioned . Then there is no need of a God .What
244is the need of a God,who only destroyed an Eternal World. But the important thing is
245that if there is an Eternal World then such a world cannot be destroyed by a
246Dianandi God. It must be noted that Dianandi God cannot perform Miracles because
247He cannot break the laws of nature, then it is primarily true that the Eternal world
248cannot be destroyed , since it is nothing but the destruction of Eternal Nature and
249Eternal Laws of Eternal Nature.Thus if there is an Eternal Series of worlds such that
250prior to each world there was an other world of the same materials, then at least
251there is one world in eternity , other wise the series cannot be eternal. If not eternal
252then it must have a beginning. But as an eternal world if it existed in eternity cannot
253be made it was unmade. The belief in an unmade world is nothing but Atheism. In
254this situation Dianandi God did nothing but some how destroyed an eternal world
255and from its eternal matter crafted an other world for nothing,Then began to repeat
256the process till now. But this does shew God even in Dianandi system was inert and
257idle. He began to be active when he destroyed the eternal world and replaced it by
258a temporal world. This implies that the first act of God was the was Destruction.
259It is impossible that eternal beauty can be replicated by temporal beauties. So is
260God had the power to destroy the eternal world then this was very unwise act to
261destroy the Eternal Beautiful world.
262An Eternal World is inextinguishable and its Perpetual Continuation is inevitable.
263ATTEMTED ARGUMENT AND SANSCRIT SCRIPTURES.
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264The Vedic proof for the infinite series is Given as follow:=

265 It is said in the Rigveda 8:8, 48. The great Creator, made the sun and the moon
266just as He had made them before!
267But it is a very wrong concept of Vedic Verse. This verse only suggests that there
268was a sun before this sun a moon before this moon. There are thousands of Stars in
269space each a Sun. Several Satellites revolving around planets , so there is no
270confusion in this verse.
271It may be argued that if Vedas are Eternal then the verse is true for each Sun and
272each Moon, at all times. But if Vedas are Eternal this verse implies Pre Eternity in
273this scheme of reasoning, which is impossible, so this scheme of reasoning of Vedas
274is incorrect and wrong and its wrongness is independent of the believes of Eternity
275or Temporality Of the Vedas.
276Replying Rational Arguments:
2771]Discussion

On Analogical Argument.

278As Deity is believed to be Omnipotent He Hath Power to Make things from

279Nothingness. The true meaning of Creation. Human beings are not OMNIPOTENT,
280that is why they cannot make any thing from nothingness and non-existence. But
281this does not imply that Deity cannot do it either.
282Either Deity Hath Power to Create a thing [ From Nothingness] or not. In the former
283case the analogy is false or wrong or both. In the latter case Deity ceaseth to be
284Omnipotent. This simple analogy cannot be a proof that Deity lacketh this Kind Of
285Power.
286This argument reduce the entire problem to the Question whether Deity is
287Omnipotent or Not.
288And the Argument of Analogy as an alleged proof of the claim that Deity is not
289Omnipotent.
290So it is tried to prove that Deity is not Omnipotent by Dianandi minded people.
291
292ARGUMENTS OF DIANANDI MINDED PEOPLE AGAINST OMNIPOTENCE AND ABSOLUTE
293POWER OF DEITY.
294At this place Dianandi Brothers argue in their attempt to disprove that Divine Power
295is Absolute Omnipotence as follow:=
2961] God is not Omnpotent as He cannot become a Chair or a Table or a Robot or An
297Engine or a Machine or an Instument.
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2982] God is Not Omnipotent as He cannot become a Bird or a Reptile, or An Angelic

299Being or a Devilic Being or a Virus or even a Woman.
3003] God cannot commit Suicide, or Punish Himself or Un God Himself or Dethrone
301Himself.
3024] God cannot Commit adultery and other Sexual Activities.
3035] God cannot move,run ,walk,crawl,climb etc.
3046] God cannot rob, and steal.
3057] God cannot Sleep or become faint OR Unconscious .
3068] God Cannot make another God .
3079] God Cannot Make Him Self Weak.
30810] God cannot make a stone so heavy that he himself cannot lift it.
30911] God cannot make an unbreakable rod which he himself cannot break.
31012] God cannot Exile any One From His Universe/Kingdom.
31113] God Cannot sit on chair or ride an animal whether it is as big as an elephant or
312as small as a mosquito.
31314] Suppose that God made a Shield which cannot be broken by any sword. If God
314cannot make such a Shield God ceaseth to be Omnipotent.---------
315Suppose that God made a Sword which can break any shield. If God cannot make
316such a sword he ceaseth to be Omnipotent.---------
317Now Suppose that this sword hits against this Shield. Now either the shield breaks
318or not. The middle is logically excluded. If the shield breaks then line implies God
319is not omnipotent.
320If it doesnot breaks then the line implies that God is not Omnipotent.
321In either case God is not Omnipotent.
32215] God cannot become pregnant [ like a woman]. God cannot Conceive .
323[ Conception is not begetting].
32416] Cantors theorem also implies God cannot be Omnipotent.
32517] Divine Power cannot be on Abstracts. Otherwise God must have the Power to
326make a world full of Supermen, faries, unicorns, hulks etc. This means God can
327make all types of fantasies of Marvel and DC comics as real , in real and actualize
328them. Similarly God cannot make a Nitrogen Breathing Man etc.
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33018]If God is Omnipotent then God must be able to Destroy His own Omipotence, A
331quality which can even destroy it self. Such a Quality is is a flaw and falliblty . But
332God is free from them. Similarly if God is Omnipotent then God Must Hve Power to
333Punish a Person with out any transgression or sin or crime what so ever.
334From this the attempt to conclude that as Deity is not Omnipotent ,There fore He
335cannot make any thing from Nothingness. [ It is often argued that Deity Has Power
336to Make things from Nothingness and Non Existence Since the Holy Deity is
337Omnipotent and Divine Power is Omnipotence and Absolute.]
338In their zeal to refute this argument the opt the only possible way to claim that
339Deity is Not Omnipotent and Divine Power is not Absolute. Since if Deity is
340Omnipotent then there can be no objection on Divine Power to Create thing from
341nothingness.
342Analysis Of This Response.
343This is a misconception . Divine Omnipotence or the Absolute Power is defined to be
344a Power On each and Every Possible Per Se. It by definition excludes Per Se Absurd.
345 Possibles.
346The Set B which includeth All the Impossibilities or Absudities.
347Divine Power Includeth each and every thing of Set A.
348An Absudity may be of following types:=
349 1]

One that is a Contradiction

3502]One

that implieth a Contradiction.

3513]One

that Contradicteth Law Of Thoughts.

3524]

One that Contradicteth Divine Necessity

3535]

One That Contradicteth any Necessity.

3546]Contradiction
3557]

Of Possibility

Self Contrdiction.

3568]

Paradoxes. Eg. If A is B then A is Not B ANDIf A is Not B

357then A is B.
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Defects, Flawsetc. Upon Divine Essence and Essential

359Essence.
36010]

Limitations Of Absolutes etc.

361 So the word Absurd or Impossible is used for these things in General. Creation is Not Indcluded in

362these things.

363So

if is accepted that what so ever is Absurd or Impossible

364, it is not in Divie Absolute Omnipotence.
365But

if a thing is included in Set B it cannot be a proof to

366exclude any thing from Set B.
So it cannot be argued that Creation is Absurd just
368because Deity Hath No Power to Commit Suicide.
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369Deity

would have ceased to be Omnipotent If Possibles

370are Excluded FromDeitys Omnipotence.
371

COUNTER ARGUMENT

372In

Diyanandi System Of Theology Deity Hath the Power to Make

373the World from Eternally available Eternal Things [ Eternal
374Constituents of the Non Eternal World].
375Suppose

that some One Argues that Deity Hath No Power to Make

376the World from these Eternal Materials available to Deity. In order
377to prove this view if some one argues that Deity Hath no Power to
378Make the World From The Eternally Available Things just as Deity
379Hath no Power to Kill Himself etc. this type of Argument shall be
380rejected even by followers of Diyanandi System. In the very
381similar way the argument against Creation is rejected.
382Note:=(1)

The word Creation is used in the meaning to Bring

383Some Possible thing from the Domain of Nothingness and Non
384Existence to the line Of Actuality. This is the actual meaning of the
385world in Semitic religions.
386(2)

The word thing in the most general meaning is used for:=

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Necessaries. [Divine Essence, Divine Attributes, Intrinsic

388Implications, Trancedence Association Of Essential Attributes With
389the Essence, Eternal Realities].
3902,2)Absurdities

[Impossibilities/Incontingencies]

3912,3)

Possibilities [ Contingencies]

3922,4)

Existents and Non Existents.

3932,5)

Substances, Accidents, Attributes,Essences, Supposita,

394Entities ,Hypostases ,Existence whether they Exist or Not,
395Whether they are Actual or Imaginary, Whether they are Real or
396Vertual.
397Cantor

theorem and Omnipotence:=

398Cantors

theorem is used by Atheists not only against Divine

399Omnipotence but also against Divine Omniscience. So if their
400argument is true then Deity is not Only Not Omnipotent but also
401not Omniscient. If Deity is not Omniscient and Divine Knowledge
402is neither Absolute nor Omniscience then It is Finite , limited and
403Bounded.
404This

is to second the author of Reconstruction Of Thoughts In

405Islam that Divine Knowledge is Finite and Limited. But the author
406is Heretic and Heterodox even on Orthodox Islamic Believes.
407So

if the believers of Diyanandi System believe that Cantors

408Theorem is Not Valid On Divine Omniscience they Have to admit
409that this theorem is Primarily not Valid On OMNIPOTENCE.
Also Cantors theorem is not provable in M.K.S system, and not
411Applicable to Classes and Grotheindick Universes. It is also not
412Valid on Divine Attributes. It is unacceptable in
413SematicTheological Systems.
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Cantors Theorem on Omnipotence does not

416work.
417SOME

POSSIBLE THINGS INCORRECTLY CLAIMED TO BE

418IMPOSSIBLE.
419It

is said that Deity Hath no Power on Abstract as in statement

420number 17.
421But

this is Possible and in Divine Omnipotence. There is nothing

422Impossible to Create a Super Man etc. Similarly Deity Hath Power
423to Change or suspend not only Laws of Physics ,He Hath the
424Power to Change or Suspend Laws Of Biology as well. Since such
425things whoever Comical are Possible and Not ABSURD.Also to
426Punish an innocent Person is not Absolutely Impossible but
427Relatively Impossible , so it is in Divine Omniascence.
428

2] Postulatic Argument.

The postulate is unaccepted and it can be only

430used by those who accept this Postulate as an
431unproved assertion in their theological System.
432Those who reject this postulate has only to say that
433this is incorrect rather its Negation is correct .
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434

THE ATTEMPTED PROOF [ TAKING THIS CLAIM AS A THEOREM]

435The

Attempted proof is just a General Fallacy. As it is a General

436Fallacy it can be used against any Act What So Ever.
437If

a General Fallacy is used only in a particular case it is a

438Deliberate use of the General Fallacy.
439This

may be termed as the Fallacy of a particular use of a

440General Fallacy.
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that a person believes that a body B can move in

443Free Space from Point A to Point C, but claims that the
444very same body B cannot move from point A to point D in
445the free space. As a proof he uses the arguments of Zeno
446against the Possibility Of Motion.
447This

is beyond any doubt that this is a fallacy since if the

448Arguments of Zeno are correct they prove impossibility
449and absurdity of motion in all directions , not just in one
450direction.
451Even

if Zenos arguments are not properly answered, they

452are still fallacies since the Existence of Motion in Nature is
453Certain beyond doubt. So it is a different case to point out
454the actual flaw in a fallacy and it is a different case to
455discard a fallacy. The former does not imply the latter. This
456is the reason Philosophers and theologians have
457attempted to answer the fallacies of Zeno but no
458convincing refutation is achieved so far. Yet it is agreed
459upon fact that Zenos arguments against Motion and
460Movement are just fallacies.
461Now

we come to the preset case. The ARGUMENT

462presented is a General Fallacy, and use of this fallacy
463against a particular case is another fallacy as stated
464above.
465It

is necessary to shew that this type of argument can be

466used against almost every Act.
467Example#1:=
468Suppose

a person wrote.

469Suppose

that some one argued that the person did not

470write any thing.
471He

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472If

the person Wrote then he either wrote when the act of

473writing did not exist or he wrote when the act of writing
474did exist. In the first case it is the Union Of Writing and
475Not Writing , which is impossible and absurd. In the
476second case it is achieving of the achieved and this is also
477impossible and absurd.
478As

Act Of Writing Does Exist with certainity , this

479argument is just a general fallacy if used for the act of
480writing since it canbe used against any act what so ever.
481How

ever to use it for a particular person is a special case

482of the this fallacy as stated above.
483Example#2
484The

same formula type fallacy can be used against the act

485of Cutting.
486It

is certain that many things can be cut like wires, pages,

487fabrics, plastic sheetsetc by different instruments or tools.
488But

if some one claim that nothing can be cut since the act
489of cutting is Impossible and Absurd.
490Some

one may argue that if :=

4911]

Some thing is cut , the act of cutting occurs when the

492very same act of cutting did not occure, or the act occurs
493when the very same act of cutting did occur.
494In

the former case it is the union of cutting and not

495cutting which is impossible and absurd.
496In

the latter case it is achieving of the achieved, an other

497impossibility and absurdity.
498Some
4991]

more examples .

Suppose that a living being [say a human being ] Died.

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5001,1]

Either the Person died when he had not died or he

501died when he had died. In the former case it is the Union
502of Dead act of dying and not dying. In the latter case it is
503the Achievement of the Achieved.
5041,2]

The Act of Dying Occurred when it Had Not Occurred

505It Occurred when it had occurred. In the first case it is the
506Union Of Dying and Not Dying.
507In

the second case it is the Achievement of the Achieved.

5081,3]

Either the Act Of Dying occurs when the Person is not

509Dead or it Occurs when the Person is dead. In the former
510case It is the Union of Death dying and not dying , death
511and not death. [ Since if the act of dying occurs and the
512the person does not die, this is not the act of dying but
513failure attempt of act of dying which is out of the
514discussion].
515In

the latter case it is the achievement of the achieved.

Suppse a body moves from point A to point B in

517space.
5162]

518Suppose

that initially it was at rest at point A.

either the act of Motion occurs from when the body

520is not moving; or the act of motion occurs when the body
521is moving. In the former case it is Union of Moving and not
522moving , and in the latter case it is the achievement of the
523achieved.
519Now

Suppose that a body say began to move from

525POINT A to POINT B IN SPACE..
5242,1]

526Now

either the act of motion does Occur when the act of

527Motion does not occur or the act of motion does occur
528when it does occur.
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529In

the first case it is Union Of Motion and Not Motion. In

530the Latter case it is the achievement of the achieved.
5313]

Suppose that any act doeth occur. It either occureth

532when it occureth NOT, OR It occureth when Occureth. As
533the middle is excluded between occurrence and not
534occurrence of any possible or contingent act, then either it
535is Union of Occurene and not occurrence of the act or it is
536achievement of achieved.
5374]

Least but not the last example.

538At

least one more example is given.

539Suppose

that Paracti [Sat], Acash [Asat] , Parmanus and

540Spirits all are Eternal.
5414,1]Now

let it be supposed that Deity Maketh the universe

542/ world from the Eternal Materials of available to Deity.
543Now

either He made the Universe / World when He was

544Not Making Or He Made the World When He Was Making.
545In

the first case it is the Union Of Making and Not Making.

546In

the second case it is the Achievement Of the Achieved.

5474,2]

Either the Universe was made when it was Not Made

548or it was Made when it was Made. In the first case It is
549Union Of Making and Not Making or the world from
550available materials.
551In

the second case it is the achievement of the achieved

552from the given materials.
553This

fallacy is a general fallacy and can be used against

554any act what so ever.

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555IT

IS SUFFICIENT TO PROVE THAT IT IS A GENERAL FALLACY

556AND TO USE A GENERAL FALLACY ONLY AGAINST A
557PARTICULAR CASE IS AN OTHER FALLACY.
558IT

IS NOT NECESSARY TO REFUTE THE FALLACY BY

559POINTING OUT THE FLAW IN THE FALLACY IF THE FALLACY
560IS GENERAL. IT IS SUFFICIENT TO POINT OUT THAT IT IS A
561GENERAL FALLACY.
562WE

MAY GIVE AN OTHER EXAMPLE SUPPOSE THAT:

563There

is a movement from Potentiality to Actuality of a

564Potential Thing.
565Now

if the movement occurs when it has not occurred

566then it is the Union Of Movement and Not Movement. If it
567has occurred when it has occurred then it is the
568Achievement Of The Achieved.
569Thus

not only Physical movements [motions] become

570impossible and absurd but also all Philosophical
571movements become impossible and absurd.
572If

all types of acts whether Divine or Not Divine are

573Impossible and Absurd then no thing is left to discuss any
574more. But in this case Even thew Diyanandi Deity [namely
575Barmh] Cannot make a single thing from the Eternal
576Things available to Him. So every thing is as it was in
577Eternity. If so then this destroys the entire Dianandi
578System Of Philosophy.
579

ARGUMENT OF OWNERSHIP ETC.

580 There are two Fandamental types of Divine Attributes.

5811] Absolute Attributes.
5822] Relative Attributes.
583Each One of the two are of two types. A] Incommunicable .B] Communicable
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584Each type of Divine Attributes have some subdivisions. Kingship ,Ownership etc.
585are Not Incommunicable Attributes of Deity. In Case Of Deity [Divine Case]
586Kingship, Ownership, Lordship, Mastership are Relative Attributes Of Deity.How
587ever they are still different from Human Attributes Of Kingship etc. in some regards. In
588Eternity Deity the Divine Attributes of Kingship, Ownership etc. Are Potential.
589But the Difference between the Divine Potentia Kingship etc. and Human Potential Kingship
590etc is as Follow:=
591If there is a Single Subject Of Kingship Existeth then It is Per Se Impossible and Per Se
592Absurd That Deity is Not the King Of It.
593Similarly the same is true for Divine Attributes Of Ownership,Mastership,Lordship etc,
594Although Kingdom , Lordship are not Incommunicable Attributes Of Deity , But The Type Of
595Attributes Of Kingship, Ownership etc. Which are Attributes Of Deity Are Incommunicable.
596The same is true for the Attribute Of Worshipness or Worshiphood.
597Deity is One Who Eternally Deserveth To Be Worshiped. But it is Not Necessary That Act Of
598Worhipping the Deity is Eternal.
599The same is some what true for Justice. How ever It is In Power Of Deity to Punish a Person
600with out any Sin or Transgression .But Deity never Exercise this Power. The same is true for
601speaking a False Sentence. They are Relatively Absurd.
602

DISCUSSION OF ARGUMENT OF LOVE

603 There are two types of Divine Attribute Of Love.

604One types is Only For Deity and is an Absolute Incommunicable Attribute Of Deity.
605Deity [God] Loves His Divine Self ,His Divinity [Godhead]. Only a Perfect Individual Loveth His Self as

606an Attribute Of Perfection

607DISCUSSION

ON ARGUMENT OF [GRAMMATICAL]
608OBJECTS OF ATTRIBUTES
609 DIANANDI SYSTEM AND THE INCONSISTENCY OF ETERNITY OF SPIRITS
610,PARACTI ETC.
611In Sathyarath Paracash Respected Dianand said that:=
612Qualities ,Activities and Effects Of Eternal are Eternal.
613[S. P ,Ch#7:81]
614This Claim Is divided into three Sub Claims:=
615ALL QUALITIES [ATTRIBUTES] OF AN ETERNAL ARE ETERNAL.---------- C-1
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616ALL ACTS [ DOINGS] OF AN ETEWRNAL ARE ETERNAL.--------------------C-2

617ALL EFFECTS OF AN ETERNAL ARE ETERNAL.--------------------------------C-3
618Discussion on Sub Claim C-1
619From this Statement it can be proved that :=
620
621 One That have at least one Non Eternal Attribute [ Quality]is Not Eternal.
622Proof:=
623 LET :=

ALL QUALITIES [ATTRIBUTES] OF AN ETERNAL ARE ETERNAL.---------- C-1

624IF All Qualities [Attributes] Of An Eternal Are Eternal Then Each and Every Attribute
625of The Eternal Is Eternal.[ A SIMPLE TAUTOLOGY]
626If Each and Every Attribute of a Thing is Eternal, then It does not have any Not
627Eternal Attribute. [C-1]
628Since If It Has Any Non Eternal Attribute then Some Attribute Of the Eternal Are Non
629Eternal.
630If some Attrbute Of An Eternal are Not Eternal then then the following Claim is
631False:=
632All Attributes Of (an ) Eternal Are Eternal.
633But this Claim is true even according to Pandit Dianand Sarsuti.
634So If Some Attributes Of A Thing [ at least] are Non Eternal then the Thing is Non
635Eternal.
636
637Q.E.D
638SIMILARLY the following claims can be proved.
639One That have at least one Non Eternal Act [Doing] is Not Eternal. [Using C------2]
640One That have at least one Non Eternal Effect is Not Eternal. [Using C-----------3]
641According to this rule the Impossibility of Eternity Of Spirits, Paramanu, Paracti etc.
642is followed.
643Let it be discussed one by One:=
6441]Spirits:=
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6451,a] If Spirits are Eternal then they cannot be depended upon Deity, Since
646Independence is among the Eternal Qualities of Eternal Spirits. If they are
647independent then their independence is Perpetual and Eternal and cannot be
648ceased i.e Unceaseable. But they depend Upon Deity in many regards as admitted
649in the System. So this imply Spirits are not Eternal.
650The Act of transmigration is not Eternal and each Act is Temporal and this implies
651that Spirits are Not Eternal.
6521,b] If Eternal Spirits depend upon Deity in some regard , and in those regard then
653they are Eternally dependent. This means they are not Per Se Eternal but Eternal Ab
654Aliis in those regard as stated above.
655But if they are Eternally Dependent then they are Eternal Ad Aliis. But Dianandi
656system does not believe in Eternal Ad Aliis. So if Spirits are neither Per Se Eternal
657since Per Se Eternal cannot be dependent at all, nor Eternal Ad Aliis. Then they are
658Temporal. This proves inconsistency in the system.
6591,c] If all Qualities of an Eternal are Eternal then they are either Ignorant in Eternity
660or does have an Eternal Knowledge.
661If they are Ignorant in Eternity then it is impossible for any Spirit to know any thing
662since the Eternal Ignorance cannot be replaced by Non Eternal Knowledge.
663If they have Eternal Knowledge then it cannot be Annihilated or Destroyed. So the
664result is that every person must know this Eternal Knowledge. Since Knowledge of
665Spirits cannot be annihilated and every Human being must know this Eternal
666Knowledge. But this is not the case .The knowledge of human beings are not
667Eternal.
668Each human being must receive the Eternal Knowledge by means of a his/her
669Spirit,therefore it must be in mind and memory of every human being .But this is
670not the case. This does prove that Spirits are not Eternal.
671 1,d] If two things say and exists such that depends on in some regards [say
672in some Attributes\Qualities or Acts\Doings or both] and is independent of in all
673regards ( with out any Possible and Actual Exception) then if the Independent and
674Dependent connection between and is Supposed to be Ceased then this imply
675the Annihilation of in some regards. Since if a thing depends upon an other thing
676in some regard [say Attributes or Acts or both] and if the Independent Dependent
677Relation Ceases then these regards [Qualities or Acts or Both] are Annhilated, and
678ceased to exist Immidiately with out any actual or possible delay.But if the
679Annihilation of atleast One Attribute or Act is Possible the Attribute or the Act is
680Certainly Not Eternal. If some Acts or Qualities of a thing are not Eternal then this
681contradict the Axiom of Dianandi System Of Theology which is stated as follow:=
682All the Qualities and Doings Of An Eternal Are Eternal.
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683Spirits do depend on the Deity in some regards stated above and hence by
684the Axiom they cannot be Eternal , in the Dianandi system of theology.
685This proves that Spirits are not Eternal.
6862]Parmanu:=
687A Parmanu [Farmanu] is a tiny particle may be called Atom. But there are two
688concepts in Phlosophy
6891] They are tiny spheres with a radius r>0 [Democritus Particles]
6902] They are Point masses with radius r=0
691According to Dianandi system it appears the latter.
692In the latter case all the Parmanus in the world can over lap in the single point of
693space.
694They cannot constitute a Body.
695In the former case they are mentally divisible. Since if there radius r = , where >0
696yet very very small even then one can suppose a number /2 <.In this case they
697may be assumed as Spheres of very small radii. In this case the cannot be Eternal
698Since they can touch each other without overlapping. Suppose that two such
699Particles touched one an other. So act of touching one an other [mutual toching]
700Must be Eternal. Since Every Act Of An Eternal Is Eternal In Dianandi System. But we
701see that in the system God Changes their Combinations. So they cannot be Eternal
702otherwise It is even out of the Power Of Dianandi God to do so. [It shal be discussed
703latter].
704Pandit Dianand Sarsoti in either case did not explained the nature of conjunction of
705these particles. It is not informed how do they constitute a body.
706Any How there are several inconsistencies in regard to Parmanus:=
7072,a] If they are Eternally moving in Chaos ,t hen the Chaotic motion is there Eternal
708Property/Quality. It cannot be ceased . If Deity manufactured and fashioned bodies
709from them their Eternal Motion did cease. This imply that some Qualities and Acts/
710Doings Of Eternal are not Eternal.
711This contradicts the Axiom:=
712All the Qualities and Doings Of An Eternal Are Eternal.
713So if there was an Eternal Chaotic motion in Parmanus, it must have to
714continue for ever.

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715If it is not so then they are not Eternal.

716Similarly if their Eternal Motion a was not Chaotic then this motion MUST
717HAVE continued Perpetually. Deity cannot change their type of Motion.
718If they were at rest in Eternity then rest is an Eternal Property [Quality] so
719as Zeno argued for MOTION MUST BE IMPOSSIBLE.
720If it is claimed that Motion and Rest are relative then according to the
721above Axiom this relation would have been Perpetually Conserved for all
722Eternities. But it is not so. This implies Parmanu are not Eternal. Eternal
723Relations Must have been conserved since Eternity for Eternity .
7242,b] Suppose that Deity constituted a Body from a number of Eternal
725Parmanus how so ever large or how so ever small. So if this Constitution is
726an Eternal Quality then the Body would have been Eternal. This contradicts
727the claim Deity Constituted the Body from Eternal Parmanus.
728If the constitution is not an Eternal Property of Parmanus then to be
729independent of the Constitution is an Eternal Property of these Parmanus.
730In this case to constitute a body from these Parmanus is Impossible .
731Pandit Diyand Sarsoti himself once believed that Parmanus are Not Eternal
732as he has written in the commentary of Fig Veda.
733SCIENTIFIC ERROR IN DIYANANDI SYSTEM:=
734According to Pandit Dianand :=
735SIXLY ATOMS OF PARMANY MAKES ONE MOLICULE OF ANO.
736TWO MOLECULES OF ANO MAKES ONE ANIK [ANIC]
737TWO MOLECULES OF ANIK MAKE ONE MOLECULE OF AIR.
738THREE MOLECULES OF ANIL MAKE ONE MOLECULE OF FIRE.
739FOUR MOLECULES OF ANIK MAKE ONE MOLECULE OF WATER.
740FIVE MOLECULES OF ANIK MAKE ONE MOLECULE OF MUD OR CLAY.
741This is purely unscientific AND UNACCEPTABLE. But this shews that
742Parmanu combine in different numbers to make different MOLECULIC
743compounds. This Combination is temporal and any thing temporal is not
744Eternal. This proves that Parmanu Can Not Be Eternal in Diyanandi
745System.
746ETERNAL STATES OF THE ETERNAL:=
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747If there are different types of thing existing [Other than Deity] in
748Eternity ,each with a pre existence, then their States Must be Eternal. If
749there states are Eternal then they cannot be changed, otherwise some
750states of Eternals are not Eternal. This contradicts Dianandi Axion stated
751above since each and every state is either an Act or an Attribute or an
752Effect. This implies that either all these Eternal things are in Eternal State
753since Eternity, with out any addition of non eternal state and without any
754substraction of any Eternal state.
755If not so then all these things stated above are NOT ETERNAL.
7563] PARACTI:757If Paracti is Eternal then either it is Sat [Existence] or Cause or Nature.
758If it is Eternal Nature then there can be no Non Eternal Thing in the
759Nature. Existence Of Non Eternal Things destroys the Eternal State Of
760Nature which is free from Not Eternals.
761If Paracti is Existence then it is not Eternal.
762If it is Eternal Cause then its Effect Must be Eternal other wise it ceases to
763be a Cause. This implies that the thing what so ever it was in Eternity was
764Neither A Cause Nor An Effect In Eternity, But some how this thing gained
765the Quality of Causality . Thus the Property/Quality Of Causality is Not
766Eternal. If Not Eternal then atleast One Of the Quality of Eternal is Not
767Eternal. If So then the Claim All Attributes Of An Eternal Are Etternal Is
768Contradicted.
769But this is true even in Diyanandi System.
770If this claim is true then any thing which has a Non Eternal Quality Of
771Causality is Not ETERNAL.
7724] Space [ Acash ,Asat]:=
773Either Space is Non Existence and Nothingness or It Is an Existing Thing.
774If it is nothing then the entire discussion ceases. If it is an Existent [ a
775being] then its states changes as a body changes its position in space.
776This proves that space is not eternal as well.
777WHAT IF SOME QUALITIES OF ETERNAL ARE NOT ETERNAL.
778If it is supposed that the claim :=
779SOME QUALITIES OF ETERNAL ARE NOT ETERNAL.
780Then it is implied that some Qualities of God are Not Eternal.
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781Since God is One Of the Eternals.

782If So then All the Dayanandi arguments in the Support of Eternity Of Four
783Vedas Fall down and become invalid.
784Since they are based on the Claim:=
785ALL THE QUALITIES / ATTRIBUTES OF AN ETERNAL ARE ETERNAL
786

CONUNDRUM

787 Dianand Sarsoti believed that The Materials and Constituents Of the World are but the

788World is not .He believed that Deity Makes the World from the Eternal Materials then
789Demolishes Decomposes the World ,and into its Constituents and then Construct a new
790World From the Materials and Constituents which are Eternal.So no Wolrd is Eternal. But to
791each and every world there is a World Prior to it.
792The series is infinite in the past. But in the Infinite Series of Worlds in the direction of Past

793Tense, there is no Eternal World , yet the Material from which each Non Eternal World is
794composed and Constituted is Eternal. [Let this series be called Series A]
795Mathematical Representation

796A1,A2,A3,A4,Ai,.. , iN
797N IS SET OF NATURAL NUMBERS.
798A1 is the present World.
799WHERE NUMBERS INCRESES IN DIRECTION OF PAST. A2 IS PRIOR TO A1 ETC.
800LET CALL EACH WORLD OF SERIES A AS Ai TERM [NON ETERNAL TERM]
801There is no need to comment on this view since the Eternity Of Materials Of the World is in

802correct as discussed above.

803But if it is so then on same ground it can be said as follows:=

804The Materials Of Each World is made From the Materials of a World Prior to It.
805So there is an Infinite Series of Materials so that each and every Material is Non Eternal

806and is Made from a Previously Made Material. [Let this series be called Series B]

807So the Series Of Non Eternal Materials is Infinite in the Past , but there is no Eternal

808Material.

809MATHEMATICAL PRESENTATION

810B1,B2,B3,B4,Bi, ,i N,
811N IS SET OF NATURAL NUMBERS
812 WHERE NUMBERS INCRESES IN DIRECTION OF PAST. B2 IS PRIOR TO B1 ETC.

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813B1 is the Materail of present World.
814

815B

LET CALL EACH MATERIAL OF SERIES B AS Bi TERM [NON ETERNAL TERM] OF SERIES

816
817As Pandit Diyanand claimed that nothing can be made from nothingness, this series DOES

818NOT CONTRADICT this Controversial claim.

819Yet it does not Imply the Eternity Of any Not Divine Being .
820THERE ARE FIVE THINGS COMMON IN BOTH SERIES:=
8211] NO SERIES HAS ANY ETERNAL TERM.
8222] NO SERIES HAS ANY FIRST TERM IN THE DIRECTION OF PAST
8233] TO EACH AND EVERY Ai , Ai+1 is PRIOR TO IT.
8244] TO EACH AND EVERY Bi THERE IS Bi+1 PRIOR TO IT.
8255] THERE CAN BE NO OBJECTION WHICH IS VALID ON SERIES B BUT INVALID ON SERIES A.
826SO THE QUESTION IS WHY TO ACCEPT THE FIRST AND TO REJECT THE SECOND AND ON

827WHAT GROUNDS.

828A QUESTION ABOUT VEDAS:829EITHER EACH ONE OF THE VEDAS IS DEITY OR NO VEDA IS THE DEITY.
830IF EACH ONE OF THE VEDAS IS DEITY THEN THERE ARE FOUR DISTINCT DEITIES SEINCE

831EACH ONE OF THE FOUR VEDAS IS DISCTINCT FROM OTHER VEDAS,

832IF NO VEDA IS DEITY THAT WHAT IS THE MATERIAL OF VEDAS SINCE DIVINE OUSIA CANNOT

833BE THE MATERIAL OF ANY THING SINCE IT IS IMMETERIAL, AND NEITHER MATTER NOT
834MATERIAL.
835Conclusion:=

836It is discussed on the Grounds Of Dianandi System that Eternity of the World or Things

837Constituting the World or both is not Possible .

838In this discussion different works of Arya Samajis are discussed . We have copied

839arguments about Eternity of Matterials constituting the World [eg Paramanu.Spirits etc],
840leaving the unrelated parts.
841
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