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EmerCasey
4 McDowell Avenue
Ceannt Fort
Mount Brown
Dublin 8
8th October 2015
Re: Health Infrastructure Development comprising National Paediatric
Hospital, Innovation Centre and Family Accommodation Unit at St
James' Hospital Campus, Satellite Centres at Tallaght & Connolly
Hospitals and Construction Compound at Davitt Road, Dublin.
Dear Madam,
An Bord Pleanala has received your recent submission in relation to the above mentioned proposed development and will
take it into consideration in its determination of the matter. A receipt for the fee lodged is enclosed.
The Board will revert to you in due course with regard to the matter.
Please be advised that copies of all submissions I observations received in relation to the application will be made
available for public inspection at the offices of Dublin City Council, Fingal County Council and South Dublin County
Council and at the offices of An Bord Pleanrua when they have been processed by the Board.
If you have any queries in the meantime please contact the undersigned officer of the Board. Please quote the above
mentioned An Bord Pleanala reference number in any correspondence or telephone contact with the Board.
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Members of my family have lived beside St. James' Hospital for almost 100 years and like
them I chose to live here too. The hospital has always worked in harmony with the
residents, and indeed in other constructions, has taken into consideration the visual aspect
of the neighbouring properties and has sought to blend with them, especially the
construction of the Private Clinic and the Speech and language facility, which is to be
applauded. Furthermore I would like to state that I am in favour of a project that will bring
together three existing children's hospitals, that of Our Lady's Children's Hospital Crumlin,
Temple Street Children's University Hospital and the National Children's Hospital, already
established at Tallaght, under one roof as it benefits the entire country and most
importantly the children themselves.
However as stated in the New Children's Hospital Report submitted on 19/10/2012
(New Children's Hospital: Further assessment of planning issues in relation to proposed sites
Report submitted to Dr. James Reilly T.O., Minister for Health, by Simon Clear and John
Martin)
The Children's Hospital is a major statement by the Government an behalf of the people,
setting out a new care structure for children. The new facility will be designed to provide
excellence of service into the future for a period of up to 100 years. In strategic national
planning terms it is important that a long-term perspective be held on the future suitability
for service, adequacy of facilities and capability for change. Change may be technological,
collaborative or spatial in nature. It Is essential that the new facility be "future proofed" and
that there be significant room for manoeuvre, including spatially, in any new hospital
campus arrangement. Therefore, In spatial planning terms, it would be preferable to find a
site on a campus that has room to accommodate expansion of building laterally and
additional new buildings over time comfortably within the confines of the planning unit.
Filling the campus space available from the outset is not recommended for strategic
planning reasons including future proofing.
1.2 Site unsuitability
The site at St. James' hospital is an enclosed, bounded site with little room for expansion,
manoeuvre or 'future proofing'. Lateral expansion if allowed to go ahead, will not allow for
any lateral expansion in the future especially with St. James' own plans for expansion. The
open spaces as calculated in the planning submittal appear to take in the LUAS track/park
which is not in the ownership of St. James' hospital. If Phase 2 gets constructed the open
space of the Meadow Garden will disappear.
The planning application for a maternity hospital which I feel is part and parcel of this
development has not been sought with this application. How can a twenty first century
maternity hospital fit this already unsuitable site, with no room for expansion? It was stated
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that the Coombe Hospital would be locating here but there has been nothing to prove that
this is the case, nor is there any room for this relocation. The St. James' Hospital site is not
fit to be the site for a twenty first century Children's Hospital and the sick children of this
country deserve better.
2. Signage
The sign age for the New Children's Hospital declares as Gaeilge" Failte chuig suiomh
oispideal nua na leanai". This is very misleading as it is not the 'suiomh' but the 'suiomh
beartaithe' or proposed site. I submit that the sign should be changed to avoid any more
confusion. Furthermore, the by-line for the hospital that of 'Working Together for our
Children' is also a misnomer as the residents living beside the proposed site ofthe Children's
Research and Innovation centre had no consultation with the applicant, as the first time the
drawings were ever revealed publicly was on Thursday August th
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application on Monday, lOth of August. These drawings were p es~Nd3nraR,r!efaefalttALA
accompli' rather than consultation.
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spaces. However with the demolition of part of the site to prepare for the New Children's
Hospital, 540 current spaces will disappear, and only 420 new car parking spaces will be
available. Is this really enough for a National Children's Hospital? 90% of sick children travel
to hospital by car (Families of Sick Children for Safe Access' in association with The New
Children's Hospital Alliance, fact sheet). 1.5 car parking spaces is being provided. This is
surely not enough and again shows the congested, constrained site of St. James' Hospital.
The above points further strengthen my opinion that this is not the correct location for the
new children's hospital.
4. Traffic
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Hospital and turn onto an already jam-packed Mount Brown, thus
co.nge~tion in the area. Coupled with the proposed new routing forA:_!Sffi~rR~Ways,
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75% of children attending hospital for specialist consultant care come from outside the MSO
{Families of Sick Children for Safe Access' in association with The New Children's Hospital
Alliance, fact sheet). They account for half of day cases and one third of all admissions.
These are the sickest children of all and yet these are the children that will be most
inconvenienced if the New Children's Hospital is built in James'. Emergency access is also
compromised for children coming by ambulance as the difference of 20 minutes in traffic
can be the difference between life and death. This will surely interfere with the functioning
of an already busy adult hospital.
According to Chapter 6 of the EIS "As part of the transport appraisal, journey time surveys
were carried out by MHC Traffic Ltd. between the 12th and 14th of May 2015 between St
James's Hospital campus to both the N4 and N7 interchanges with the MSO Motorway. May
is considered a 'neutral' month and recorded traffic data is not influenced by school
holidays during the summer period or by Christmas/ weather conditions during the winter
period." There were three runs of each journey in order to calculate the average journey
travel time. However, I fail to see how recording the traffic on a "neutral" month is
representative of the full range of traffic conditions which preside in the area throughout
the year. Surely, there should be recording of traffic data during school times, bad weather
conditions, and Christmas traffic in order to give a fully representative estimate of what the
maximum travel times could be? I find that the method of recording just three runs within 3
consecutive days is not sufficient to identify the full range of traffic conditions which prevail
in this area and would implore the developer to collect further data at varying times of year
including the Christmas season and school peak times.
As my address shows I am a resident of Me Dowell Avenue, Ceannt Fort and will directly be
effected by the construction of the Children's Innovation and Research Centre, and the new
proposed entrance at Mount Brown behind the houses at Me Dowell Avenue. As stated in
section 2, the plans for this centre seem to have been hastily drawn together with no
consultation with the residents directly affected. I feel I have been dismissed, disrespected
and treated with distain by the development board. There was no opportunity for ''public
participation". A Pamphlet through our door on the 20th June 2015, stated that there would
be a drop in session in F2 Centre Reuben Street on June 25th 201
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saw Presentation Boards and the proposed Design. No drawin wer.etavafi8'B~ W~S~th'eA
design of the Children's Research and Innovation Centre north fl~Jfv.A,t.omm.o~l~tion---t
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The legislation which requires developers to complete an EIS for projects such as this comes
from the European Union under the Environmental Impact Assessment Directive
(2003/35/EC). This Directive consistently stresses the importance of "public-participation in
respect of the drawing up of certain plans and programmes relating to the environment"
and was derived from the Arhus Convention. The Directive clearly states that "Among the
objectives of the Arhus Convention is the desire to guarantee rights of public participation in
decision-making in environmental matters in order to contribute to the protection of the
right to live in an environment which is adequate for personal health and wellbeing." The
Directive states that "Effective public participation in the taking of decisions enables the
public to express, and the decision-maker to take account of, opinions and concerns which
may be relevant to those decisions, thereby increasing the accountability and transparency
of the decision-making process and contributing to public awareness of environmental
issues and support for the decisions taken ." However, I feel that in effective public
participation has not been achieved so far. The local residents which surround the
development who will be impacted both during the construction and operational phases of
the development should have been approached and their "opinions and concerns which
may be relevant" to the decisions concerning the development taken into consideration
during the decision making process. In particular those local residents whose dwellings are
located less than 1.98 metres from the development.
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In the EIS Non-Technical Statement 7.12.2, it declares that 111t is intended that a Childrens'
Research and Innovation Centre would be provided on the southern side ofJames' Street, at
its western end, adjacent to the Trinity College buildings associated with St. James' Hospital.
This would involve the construction of a building that is portly adjacent to James' Street and
would be partly below ground level. This building would be adjacent to a Protected Structure
known as the Haughton Institute {RPS ref. 4011{o)) and the below ground element would be
close to the Protected Structure. The above ground port of the proposed building would be at
a sufficient distance that it would not affect the essential character of the Protected
Structure. The construction of the below ground element would have the potential to
damage the Protected Structure, though measures would be put in place to ensure that this
does not occur." If the construction of the below ground element would have the potential
to damage the Haughton Institute, then the same logic should apply to the nearby
dwellings. The dwellings at Ceannt Fort which are "one of Dublin's first social housing
projects" may not be protected structures yet, but they are still an important part of our
capital's social history, which should be protected for future generations. According to Page
49 of Chapter 16 of the EIS there will be "no direct impact" on the built heritage of Ceannt
Fort. However, I disagree; the vibrations and digging which will occur Jess than Sm to the
gable walls of some of the houses on McDowell Avenue has the potential to damage the
dwellings considerably. I would ask that there are some mitigation measures put in place to
ensure that there is no damage caused to these buildings. I would ask that the development
be moved at least 10m away from the boundary wall, or at the very least the same
"sufficient distance" which separates the development from the Protected Structure.
According to page 49 of Chapter 16 of the EIS regarding the views within the area "There
would be a moderate impact arising from this new development. It should be stressed,
however, that this is not an Architectural Conservation Area, nor is such designation
proposed". Further stating that no mitigation is required. However, this estate is a
residential conservation area, with the houses on Me Dowell Avenue being in a zone of
Archaeological Interest on the current development plan, and surely this should owe it
some protection from this development, perhaps in the form of a minimum distance buffer
zone? Furthermore this area is zoned Z2 in the development plan the zoning objective for
which is "to protect and/or improve the amenities of residential conservation areas" (page
11, Chapter 16). This includes Ceannt Fort, on the southern side of Mount Brown, which is
bounded on the east, west and south by the campus of StJames's Hospital, lying to the east
of the main site for the new children's hospital and to the west of the site proposed for the
Children's Research and Innovation Centre. looking at planning maps of the development
this residential conservation area Is surrounded at all sides by the development. This
development does nothing to "protect and/or improve the amenities of residential
conservation areas", it merely deleteriously impacts upon the surroundin~
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wellbeing ofthe residents. How will the developer amend this?
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7. Height, Scale, Proximity to Residences and Subsidence.
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The Design Report Section 3.1 states 'The design of the building has been developed in
response to the site context, the proposed integration with the surrounding buildings and
the requirements of the brief. Looking at the plans, however, the proposed development is
merely 1.89m from the existing boundary wall and Jess than Sm from the gable wall to 1, Me
Dowell Avenue (4986mm, CR Ground Floor Plan, NPH- A-OCMA-DR-00-CR-1002), at a
height of 32.19 m. The proposed basement is at least 15m in depth {NPH-A-OCMA-DR-XXCR-3001-PROPOSED-SECTIONS). I fail to understand how this development is integrated
with the surrounding buildings?
The houses in Ceannt Fort are zoned as Z2, under the current Dublin City Development Plan
2011-2017, with the houses on Me Dowell Avenue being also houses of Archaeological
Interest, while the grounds of St. James' Hospital are Zone Z15. Section 15.19 of the Dublin
City Development Plan states the following strategy "it is Important to avoid abrupt
transitions in scale and use zones. In dealing with development proposals in these
contiguous transitional zone areas, it is necessary to avoid developments which would be
detrimental to the amenities of the more environmentally sensitive zone. For instance, in
zones abutting residential areas or abutting residential development within predominately
mixed-use zones, particular attention must be paid to the use, scale, density and design of
development proposals and to landscaping and screening proposals in order to protect the
amenities of residential properties. Since the development of the CRIC is Jess than 2m from
the existing boundary wall how can this be achieved? There is no break at all between our
houses and the proposed 32.19 metre high building immediately to the boundary of the
site. Since our houses are approximately 1.5 metres below the level of the site this structure
will appear even more imposing on our skyline.
It offers no transition at all to our home, being at a distance of only 1.89m away, with no
space for any landscaping or screening. Indeed the development of the Waste Management
Centre offers no transition as the proposal is to build it adjacent to the boundary wall with a
height of approx. 23.16m (NPH-A-OCMA-DR-XX-CR-2005-PROPOSED-ELEVATIONS-NORTHAND-SOUTH), again leading to subsidence to our residences and a loss of light.
Page 13 of Chapter 13 of the EIS states that "The Children's Research and Innovation Centre
is a modest building consistent with the prevailing height, nature and scale of existing and
on-going development within this developed urban context". However, the height of the
Children's Research and Innovation Centre is merely consistent with the height of the Trinity
Centre for Health Sciences Building and not with the immediate vicinity of the dwellings of
Ceannt Fort. I would suggest that (a) the large amenity area in front of the proposed
building as shown in the architectural drawings be reduced somewhat in order to allow for
sufficient transition from a building of such a high nature to appear somewhat integrated
with the surrounding houses, or (b) the height ofthe building be reduced somewhat in
order to be "consistent with the prevailing height, nature and scale of existing and on-going
development" i.e. that of the houses immediately adjacent to it.
8. Human Health
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I fear that the construction and the operation of the Waste Management Centre (Trinity
Waste and Research Waste) will cause major subsidence issues to our homes. No
conditioning survey was offered to the residents of Me Dowell Avenue and should be done
so as a matter of urgency as our properties have a high risk of structural damage due to the
proximity of the development. As already outlined the wall dividing St. James' Hospital and
Me Dowell Avenue is an old one, but no survey has been carried out on either side to see if
it can withstand the construction impacts such as vibrations and underground demolition.
No indication has been given to the nature of the waste which will be stored behind our
houses. The plan says that it will be from the Trinity Centre and the Research and Innovation
centre. I believe that information should have been included in the EIS which states the
nature of the waste which will be stored in the centre? Is it hazardous or flammable in
nature? What procedures are in place ifthere is an incident? What is the probably risk to
our dwellings and our health in the event of an incident? I do not believe there was
sufficient information included in the EIS. Given the proximity of our houses to this potential
risk, I believe that there should be extra mitigation measures put in place.
A Gas Bottle Storage Area, Oil Tank and a 13m2 Attenuation Tank is also proposed directly
behind the wall to our houses according to the Architectural Drawings of the CRIC in the
Lower Ground Floor and the Ground Floor. These facilities have high risk potential and I
cannot understand why they have been located so closely to the dwellings. Coupled with
the unknown waste from Trinity and the Research Centre I feel our houses are at risk of a
major incident either from chemical spill, flooding from the attenuation tank or
fire/explosion from the gas bottle storage area. What proposals have the development put
in place for evacuations and rehousing? Is this the ideal location on the campus for such
facilities?
perimeter of the site adjacent to existing residential development shall have regard to the
prevailing height of existing residential development and to standards in section 17.9 in
relation to aspect, natura/lighting, sunlight, layout and private open space, and in section
15.9 in relation to the avoidance of abrupt transitions of scale between zonings."
The height and proximity of the CRIC building will have a negative impact o'\"tft'){~Ces PLEANALA
around it and the quality of life of the residents.
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The assessment of the impacts of the proposed development was prepared using the
methodology set out in BRE 209, 'Site Layout Planning for Daylight and Sunlight: A Guide to
Good Practice', Second Edition 2011, by P. J. Little/air. This is the non-statutory guide
referred to in the Dublin City Council Development Plan 2011-2017, and sets out guidelines
that are most commonly used in Ireland and the UK to assess the impacts of development on
daylight and sunlight. It provides advisory numerical targets that represent good practice;
however, the location specific characteristics must also be taken into account.'
However, I disagree that the location specific characteristics were taken Into account in this
situation, as no-one entered my back garden to take any such regard of sunlight unless you
count one individual who looked over the wall into my property.
The guidelines merely "recommends that loss of sunlight should be checked for main living
rooms of dwellings, and conservatories, if they have a window facing within 90 of due
south. If the development wholly lies due north, then sunlight loss need not be analysed."
However, the development does not lie wholly due north of these houses. In fact this
development lies mainly to the East of the dwellings or more specifically East-North-East.
Therefore, the sunlight loss to these properties very definitely needs to be analysed and has
not been adequately assessed in this EIS. I would suggest a further investigation into the
potential sunlight loss and would welcome any such specialist consultant to witness the
already dwindling sunlight which reaches the rear of the properties of McDowell Avenue.
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passes the recommended guidelines, but could easily be achieved through simply rounding
up throughout the calculations.
I have found that the only solution to this problem is to push back the development from
the boundary wall to our properties. Enabling significant protection of the properties during
construction and operational phases and protecting what little sunlight we receive into our
minute gardens and rear rooms.
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has in place to ensure that there is minimal light pollution and excessive lighting which will
enter my property during the construction and operational phases.
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I agree that the building is aesthetically pleasing and appears to transition quite well into
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eye view of the campus, the Children's Research and Innovation entre tclWer~~IZOii
residences to its rear. I would therefore suggest that the spacio amenity area in the front
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of the building be reduced somewhat, therefore enabling the necessary facilities to be built
into a two-storey structure and allowing a sufficient transition into the urban context
surrounding the hospital campus.
In conclusion, I wish to reiterate that I am not against the development of a New National
Childrens' Hospital. However the site at St. James' is totally unsuitable and not in line with
the report submitted to Dr. James Reilly T.D., Minister for Health, by Simon Clear and John
Martin, 19/10/2012, which stated 'In strategic national planning terms it is important that a
long-term perspective be held on the future suitability for service, adequacy of facilities and
capability for change. Change may be technological, collaborative or spatial in nature. It is
essential that the new facility be ''future proofed" and that there be significant room for
manoeuvre, including spatially, in any new hospital campus arrangement'. This is simply not
the case with this site. I implore the developers to respond to my above queries, opinions
and concerns.
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