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HAEMOPHILUS INFLUENZAE B
Call #9 Transcript
By Donna Powers
and there's puss and always worse at night. A lot of drooling and it's a keynote of
Mercury. So you'll see that the hands become shaky and all fine movements are a bit
trembly and how you will distinguish between that and Gelsemium is simply because of
the smell. Gelsemium won't have the smelliness that Baptisia will have and the Merc
Sol will have.
DP: And we're at the end of our time together, so hopefully that gives you an idea. I
would never wish the flu on anybody, but when it comes this is a good opportunity for
you to practise using your homeopathic remedies and figuring out what's needed. So
start... It's quite safe for you to do at home, these acute, they have a beginning, a
middle, and an end. If the symptoms are getting worse then you that the person you're
trying to help needs to contact a homoeopath, a naturopath or their physician if it's not
an epidemic or a pandemic. So are there any questions, concerns, clarifications,
anything to share?
DP: I know we all have to get going, so I'm going to take everyone off mute, just so
that we can say our good-byes. Thank you everybody for being here today. Oh, we've
got one hand up. Okay Jan, go ahead.
Donna Powers: Welcome to the Vaccine Free: Now What? 12-week teleseminar
course. This is class nine where we will continue talking about the infectious illnesses
that are of most concern in the second year of life and that is changing very quickly
with this particular illness we are talking about today because it's under the one year as
well.
DP: Today's illness being discussed is Haemophilus Influenzae B, or HiB, as the
vaccine we know it by and it's also a form of meningitis. Just briefly, I want to open up
the lines if there are any questions from the first or from the previous eight weeks or
from last week, just press 1 if you've got anything left over from last week or any of the
previous weeks.
DP: Alright, Jen, go ahead.
Jen: I was just going to mention to you that with that... Did I say... I can't even
remember the last week from what I asked you or what I've said, but with the measles,
the mor... How do I say it again?
DP: Morbillinum.
Jen: Yes. My little guy, I remember when I first gave it to him, my two-year-old, he
actually got for a couple of days after, we hadn't even been around anyone or left the
house or anything and he started getting a runny nose and his eyes, like he was... It
was like he was exhibiting... What is that called? Like he had a reaction like it was
good.
DP: Yes, yes.
Jen: Because it means that he took in that homeopathic medicine and, yeah. I have a
feeling if he was exposed to measles, he would be fine just through, from that.
DP: Yes. He would be fine, but also... It also indicates that he likely had a susceptibility
to the measles virus.
Jen: Yeah.
DP: So, you can stop. When you're doing homeoprophylaxis, once a child has a
response like that, where they're getting symptoms of the illness that you're preventing,
then you know that they've had enough. You don't have to repeat it again.
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Jen: Oh, okay. So, he's done then? He doesn't need to take it because we have one
more week left.
DP: Yeah. No, I wouldn't give it to him again.
Jen: Okay.
DP: He had a response and yes, you're probably good to go for quite a while. That was
a good response. Now, Christina England in the mumps handout, there's a little story
there and she was... She's used homeoprophylaxis in the UK for years, and she gave
one little boy the mumps, the Parotidinum. And the homeopathic remedies cannot give
you the disease but you can get symptoms of a mumps-like illness. So, this little boy
developed the mumps. And then what you do is then you treat the symptoms of the
child with mumps.
Jen: Okay.
DP: I think it was Baryta carb. So in fact, if your child had developed even more
pronounced symptoms, you could have treated that homeopathically and it likely
would have been Pulsatilla that we used.
Jen: Okay.
DP: Okay? So, that just gives you kind of a broader picture of homeoprophylaxis.
Good. Thank you for sharing. I'm sure there'd be lots of others that would be interested
in that information. Great. Thanks, Jen.
DP: Anybody else?
DP: Okay. Thank you very much, Jen, for sharing that. I know that others listening or
reading the transcript will find that information helpful. Remember also, there's the
Facebook forum. So if you've got any questions or concerns, please post on the forum
as well. It's a nice way to share with the rest of the group. We also had, for any of you
who are following the Facebook forum group, there's Tasha, who was in our first group.
Her children were exposed to hand, foot and mouth disease, and they're doing very,
very well. And she was able to give them... I think she was using Antimonium tart and
so, it's been effective.
DP: It's another one of those fevers, eruptive illnesses and you don't really know what
you're dealing with unless you've had somebody else diagnosed with that. On my
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DP: So that's the history and this is taken from the Vaccine Risk Awareness Network
website (vran.org). And it was Dr. MendelsonI've referred to him with the feverand
Miller, Neil Miller, I would highly recommend if you don't already have it, the Vaccine
Safety Manual Book. It's for concerned families and health practitioners. Excellent. If
you want charts, if you want research, if you want medical journal references, that's the
go-to book. He also has the website, thinktwice.com and I'll put that on a follow-up
email as well.
DP: So, the first HiB vaccine was licensed in 1985. So, I may have been a bit early with
that one, but I'm pretty sure it was in '83 that there was one. This one is no longer in
use but offers an excellent example of the problem with vaccine efficacy and safety
and vaccine politics in general. It was tested in Finland and was found to have a 90%
effectiveness rate. It was given to children at two years of age and before it was sold, it
was given to children at 18 months of age. It was completely ineffective in children
younger than this, who comprised over 75% of the cases of HiB meningitis.
DP: So, there were more tests done, and the vaccine was not pulled so my one son did
get it. But eventually, that one was pulled and what they found, if you look in Neil
Miller's Vaccine Safety Manual, one of the statistics he has is that the HiB meningitis
mortality rates declined in Japan when DPT vaccinations were stopped. Because what
happened was that when they started giving the HiB, Haemophilus Influenzae B
Vaccine to my son's age group in that mid '80s, what happened was with this huge
increase in this bacterial meningitis in children under a year. So what they then did was
attach it to the DPT vaccine to create an immune system response because previously,
under a year, this vaccine was not working at all.
DP: So there was a cause and effect. Unintended consequences of giving the vaccine
in the age group in the mid '80s, the way my boys were, and then now they have
started to put it in as a part of the vaccine schedule under a year. So, in my
homeopathic practise, I do see a tremendous amount of children with chronic ear
infections. In fact, when my boys went to private school, they all had practically the
same medical background history, a series of vaccinations and at about 18 months,
croup, ear infections, eczema, allergies. They all had learning disabilities as well. So
that was what really got me started on doing this research all those years ago. I'm
scared to think of how many years ago now. [chuckle] Oh, dear, almost 30 years ago.
DP: The good news... So even though the HiB vaccine is promoted to prevent otitis
media, ear infections, it actually had the unintended consequence of creating an awful
lot of ear infections and more antibiotic use and more antibiotic-resistant strains. The B
strain is what was picked out. But remember, there are all the other Haemophilus
Influenzae strains, A, C, D, E, F and there's no vaccine for that, and they can become
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DP: So, there will be a cold, a runny nose, possibly diarrhoea and vomiting and other
signs of an infection, like a fever. So, you'll get the fever. There might be tiredness,
lethargy, irritability, a headache, sensitivity to light, possibly stiff neck, skin rashes. And
sometimes, in high fevers, or if there's any brain inflammation involved, you can have
seizures. So, those are the common symptoms. And can you start to see over all these
weeks we've been together how you really don't know what it is you're dealing with,
whether it's something viral, whether it's something bacterial, or whether it's going to
be measles, rubella, hand-foot-mouth. Whether it's just a cold, whether it's the flu, they
all start off pretty similar.
DP: And this is the body's immune system responding to the increased presence of
some virus or bacteria that is reproducing in the cells and dumping its toxins in there.
The body needs to get rid of those either by sneezing, by snot, poop, pee, sweat. Any
kind of discharge, is what the body is going to try to do. To safely put it in something
like... I think it is always incredible with colds, how much snot we produce. That's the
miracle of the immune system. This ability to create this and then out it goes, rather
than staying inside of us. Creating this juicy environment where the bacteria continue
to flourish.
DP: Now, infants with meningitis might not have those symptoms and might just be
extremely irritable, lethargic, tired or have a fever. And so with parents, you're always
wondering, "Are they teething?" You're never quite sure. They may be difficult to
comfort even when they are picked up and rocked. So already, if you have got that
picture you don't know whether it is teething, or something viral, something bacterial,
but you have symptoms of wanting to be picked up and rocked and extreme irritability,
you could possibly give Chamomilla. Whether it is teething, virus, bacteria, Chamomilla
may be of help.
DP: Chamomilla and the rest of the remedies in that daisy family like Arnica, and
Bellas, and Eupatorium, they're all very good remedies for high fever and influenzas
and pain. Arnica is not just for inflammation and swelling after an accidental injury. It's
possible that you need Arnica for something like whoop or whopping cough when the
symptoms agreed. What you also want to watch for in infants in jaundice. It is a
yellowish tint to the skin and that is simply because of the liver producing bilirubin.
Some of us have had put our babies under light when they are first born because their
skin's yellow. It is because the liver is just not quite functioning yet. So watch for that.
DP: Watch for stiffness of the body and neck, and neck rigidity. With young kids or
adults if they can't touch the chin to the chest because of inflammation and swelling in
the back of the neck or the occipital region is what it's called, then you want to suspect
back that there is brain inflammation going on. If there is a fever or even a lower than
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DP: And that's protocol for them. They're there to help you, not give you a bad time. In
my Facebook, I posted where some nurse had written a note that had, a sticky note
that said, about these parents being losers. She had to apologize to those parents and
the hospital apologize to those parents. So they're not allowed to treat you poorly
under those kinds of situations or any time, for that matter. I think if we can be polite
and on top of our own information and our choices we've made, and feel confidence
curing them, we can communicate that to them. And they'll understand that we're
willing to work with that they're offering but also that we have another perspective as
well.
DP: So, a possibility for another treatment are anticonvulsants if there are seizures. So
with brain inflammation, that is always a possibility, or low blood pressure so they
might give IV fluids. Or sometimes, some medications are given to increase blood
pressure. If it's respiratory, sometimes oxygen will be used or mechanical ventilation if
there's difficulty breathing. And one of the most common problems resulting from
bacterial meningitis is impaired hearing. So, it would be likely recommended that there
be a hearing test following the recovery.
DP: So, some of the complications can be quite severe and have neurological
problems, but also remember, some of the treatment with the antibiotics can create
neurological problems as well. So this is... We're talking like the end of the spectrum, of
what the possibility is with the bacterial meningitis. This can spread and the drops can
become airborne when a person coughs, laughs, talks, or sneezes and they can infect
others. So if you suspect that there's any kind of meningitis going on, then you'll want
to be careful to quarantine your kids. But again, you may not know what's happening
or how it's happening or what kind of infection it is. So, influenza gets passed on the
same way. Measles, rubella, mumps. So you just do the very best you can as a parent.
DP: And I think every mother, after their kids have been sick or it's gone through the
family, I don't know about you, but I have this tremendous urge to clean the house from
top to bottom and wash sheets, and run everything through the dishwasher and the
washing machine. So those are the main points that I wanted to make about the
Haemophilus Influenzae B. The bacteria, the vaccines a little bit, so that you know what
you're dealing with with that. And the possibilities of what could happen. Also for any
secondary complications.
DP: So before I go into the remedies, I do just want to cover, this is from Frans
Vermeulen's Monera Kingdom Bacteria & Viruses, Materia Medica. It's more for your
homoeopath, but if you're interested in it, it's a reference text book. They're a bit
expensive, but you can get it. And Vermeulen has written about this particular bacteria
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DP: And I'm just looking at my notes here. Here is another one that's a good one.
Gelsemium, and we covered that one pretty completely last week. So, just remember
Gelsemium might be indicated. Barb, you have a questions. Great, thanks. Go ahead.
Barb: Actually not a question, I just wanted to make a comment. I'm really glad that
you are including in those handouts the research studies and The Age of Antibiotics
Coming to an End. Like myself I need this information to read and re-read so that my I
can make my case if it comes up at conversation. So, I'm really glad you are including
those. Yeah.
DP: Yeah, exactly. It's just so that you have information if you're... Because what
happens is when you are in an emergency situation, you are on adrenaline. And I've got
one mum who was in the first group. She's actually got all these information in the
binder, so you could even create a little meningitis binder and take it with you as a
reminder, because there is also a lot of waiting and sitting while you are child is a
teenager or a young adult may be dealing with that. And then you'll know what can
come. I think it's helpful.
Barb: Oh yeah, for sure. And I think it's also a good point that you made, and
sometimes you do have to go to the hospital. And there is nothing wrong with that.
DP: There is nothing wrong with that. I have so many parents who quickly move into, "I
have failed." I would hope that's not what kept that young woman from going to
emergency because this is not failure. This is good parenting. This is good at-home
management. You are not cluttering up the emergency system. You've done everything
you can. And Western medicine is very good at what it does with emergency medicine.
Barb: That's right, yeah.
DP: It saves life and then we can deal with it after. So, yeah. I would hope that
everybody learns that through this course. So, thank you, Barb.
Barb: Thanks.
DP: That's great to know. Yeah. I love the feedback, it helps me. I'm going to continue
offering this course. So, anything that you can give the feedback is wonderful.
Barb: Oh that's great. 'Cause I already know two people who wanna take it next time.
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DP: Yeah, wonderful. And it will evolve. I will eventually have this streamlined. So, there
is just so much information. So in a way, I don't want to overwhelm, but I also wanna
make sure that people get up to date information. So, even the information you've
received as a second group, has more information than the first one and more up to
date information. And it's simply because everything is changing. The vaccines are
changing, what they're creating in terms of chronic illness is changing and what we're
having to deal with is changing. There are some very sick children right now with
chronic illness. So good, yeah spread the word.
Barb: I will.
DP: Okay, thanks. So anything else? We've got a few minutes, we can finish early but
we have a few minutes if you want to...
Jan: What was the book that you mentioned, Donna? There's one by Kate Birch and
there's another one...his website is thinktwice.com?
DP: Yes, Neil Miller. It's the Vaccine Safety Manual and it has a foreword by Dr. Russell
Blaylock who is a neurosurgeon who has come out very strongly against vaccinations...
Jan: Okay.
DP: Because of the neurological damage it does. So what's nice about his book is it's
full of medical journal research, it's absolutely full and charts and so... And again it was
another book that really took me a long time to get through until you're used to reading
medical terms, just keep your dictionary handy. I love the Internet these days because
you can even go to pronunciation websites and find out how to say it, so I had to
practise Respiratory syncytial virus many times...
[laughter]
DP: That's the truth. So anything else?
Jan: I don't think so, I think I'm good, lots of things to take in.
DP: There really are. And I'm glad to have been a part of history actually, that I know
how the vaccines evolved and to know that my kids got a vaccine that was taken off
the market after. It's just awful. But it is what it is and they're fine young men and I'm
still working at trying to undo some of the stuff in their life. Doesn't help that my
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