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1 A. Are you referripg to ho, I believe the

2 question yesterday related to fraternities and sororities
? and voting in elections.
4 O. That's right.
Jtr A. Right, I was aware of rumors that in previous
6 years there had been.sanctions against folks that had not
1 voted in ei-ections.
B O. But you told us that you had no knowledge of
9 that happening yourself; is that rlght?
10 . A. I do not recal-l that happening. I recall it
11 being, like I testified yesterday, positive incentives for
L2 people coming out to vote.
13 O. You recall an individual by the name of Travis
I4 Lynch?
15 A. Yes, I dq.
16 O. Was Travis Lynch in a fraternlty?
71 A. He was not a member of a fraternity.
1B O. He wasn't in Tau Kappa Epsilon?

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L9 A. He was not a member of Tau Kappa Epsilon.
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.it , 20 O. Was he in any way invol-ved with Tau Kappa
21 Eps i lon?
22 A. He was a pledge in Tau Kappa Epsilon.
l3 O. Okay, he was a pledge in Tau Kappa Epsilon.
24 You recall that yqu said you were in the Vision Party;
25 is that right?

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1 A. f was in the Vision Party in 1990, y€s.

2 a. And that's when you got elected to, what, vice
pres ident ?

A. Student body vice president, correct.

O. And the president on that ticket was who?
6 A. Michael Brown.
1 O. Was he Florida Blue Key?

B A. He was a member of Florida Blue Key.

o O. And in fact, the Vision Party was the party
io that was backed by Florida Blue Key, was it not?
11 A. .Klqg--- of the
72 Greek system.
1)
IJ O. Had the backing of the Florida Bfue K"y, didn't
I4 it?
15 A. It had the backing of the Greek system.
I6 O. Mr. Lynch ran against the Vislon Party, didn't
71 j*
Id A. I believe he did.
,, t9 O. And afterwards Mr. Lynch was blackballed by his
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20 fraternity, wasnft he?

2I A. He was removed as a pledge in the fraternity,

22
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23 O. And this was while you ran thls was while
24 you were a student involved in politics with the Vision
25 Party, wasn't it, that same party?

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1 A. I was involved in the Vision Party, Y€s.

2 O. And you had actual knowledge of Mr. Lynch
3 having been removed as a pledge from Tau Kappa Epsilon
4 after he ran against the Vision Party, didn't you?

5 A. I have knowledge he was removed as a pledge

6 from Tau Kappa Epsilon.
1 O. Oh, by the wdy, that was your fraternity, Tau

B Kappa Epsilon?
9 A. That is my fraternity.
10 O. Were you i-n that fraternity at the time?
11 A. f was in that fraternity at the time.
72 O. So you not only have actual knowledge because
13 he ran against the Vision Party that you were j-nvolved
I4 with, he was also pledqing the fraternity that you were
15 involved in?
76 A. He was pledging the fraternity I was invoLved
I1 in, yes.
_LO O. And that fraternity removed him as a pledge
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79 after he ran against the party that you were running in,
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d-* 20 didn't it?
21 A. For unrel-ated causes, yes. He was removed
22 because he did not pay his financial obligations to the
23 party.
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zL+ O. There was quite a dispute about whether that
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1 A There was a dispute about the reason.

2 0. In fact, there was a tape who is Carl
3 T,eibman?

4 A Carl Leibman was president of the fraternit

5 t.hat time
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6 O. Do you, lecall Mr. Leibman-baylngL aJape

1 recordi-ng givins a diffe;gg!_11399_" -{9f *!y_YIt Lvnch WAS

B removed from the fraternitY?

9 A. I was not present at the meeting where
10 Mr.'Leibman I'm sorry, where Mr. what was his name

11 again?
I2 O. Lynch.
13 A. Mr. LYnch was removed.
L4 O. But you know of the tape involving Mr. Leibman
15 in which he gave a statement to the contrary?
L6 A. It was reported that there was a tape recording
I1 made in violation of Florida statutes, a third degree
1B felony.
,,.'/ I9 O. I want to get t.o the meat of it, though. In
d-, 20 fact, Mr. Leibman was tape recorded saying and admitting
27 that the reason Mr. Lynch was removed was not because he
)) didn't his dues but because he ran against the Vision
23 Party.
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Z+ A. I do not .know I do not have a coPY of the
25 tape

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1 O. You've heard the tape, haven't you?

2 A. I have not heard the tape in its entirety.

3 O. You've heard part of the taPe?
4 A. I heard parts of the tape. I do not recall
5 that being on the portlon that I've heard.
6 O. :he t-ape wa?*plqyed in:?. !.Lg q9-E!e*g_e_c_o_sd,
1 wasn't it?
B A. It was played into the senate record. I'm not
9 sure if it was pJ-ayed in its entirety.
10 . O. So you know full well that Mr. Leibman, in
11 fact, has been recorded as saying that the reason Mr. Lynch
72 was removed from your fraternity was because Mr. Lynch ran
13 against the Vision Party?
I4 A. I do not know that Mr. Leibman was recorded.
15 O. You heard part of the tape.
76 A. If someone makes a tape recording and purports
71 it to be you or anyone e1se, Counselor, but you deny that
1B was you and you weren't present when the tape was made, how

,,.,/ I9 do you know that tape was actually you or whoever it was

{, 20 purported to be?

2L O. Tn fact, thi-s incident involving Travis Lynch

22 got a great deal of play in the press, .did it not?

23 A. It was reported in the Alligator and I believe
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LA another newspaper.
25 O. WeIl, it was also reported in the Orange and

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1 Bfue magazine?
a
L A. Okay.

3 O. In the artlcle Greek Ruling Class?

4 A. I 'm not f amif iar with that but I ' l-l j ust accept
5 your characterization.
6 O. Now, thi-s Carl Leibman that I just mentioned
1 who was involved with the Lynch matter, was Mr. Lynch
a lnvolved in the Focus Party in 1995?

9 A. Mr. Lynch was not invol-ved with the Focus

io Party.
11 O. Did you just tell us that Mr. Leibman was not
L2 involved in the Focus Party?
13 A. No. You asked if Mr. Lynch was involved with
t4 the Focus Party
15 O. Mr. Leibman, I apologize.
t6 A. Mr. Leibman was involved in the Focus Party,
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IO O. Wasn't Mr. Leibman the presldent?

,', 19 A. I believe that's what was listed on the student
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2I O. Would you like to seei
ZZ A. I believe I saw it yesterday, yes.
a')
O. Carl Leibman was the president of the Focus
,A Party?
25 A Va<

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1 O. Let's see. Now., Mr. Leibman who was your

2 fraternity brother who was involved in the Lynch matter
3 when you ran for the vision Party two years or three years
4 later becomes president of the Focus Party?
5 A. Five Years later.
6 O. '92 was the LYnch matter?
1 A. I bel-ieve the Lynch matter was 1990'
B O. When did You run for
9 A. 1990-91 I was student body vi-ce president '
10 ' a. Okay. By the way, you said Mr. Leibman was in
11 your fraternity; is that right?
72 A. Yes, he was.
13 O. And he was Florida BIue KeY?
L4 A. He was tapped into Florida Blue Key, yes.
15 a. How many.Fl-orida Blue Key members were in your
L5 fraternity?
I1 A. Cumulative throughout the years?
1B O. No. When you formed the Focus Party how many
,.'1 I9 fraternj-ty members?
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20 A. Oh, seven or eight.
2L O. Now, the people that you got together to form
22 the Focus Party with, Jay Phitp was the vice president?
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L.+ O. Was he Florida BIue KeY?

25 A Va<

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