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Why my opinions on whiteness touched a nerve

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Outrage met Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu's recent remark that it would be appropriate to tax white
South Africans, writes Samantha Vice.
Outrage met Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutus recent remark that it would be appropriate to tax white South Africans for
the benefits they received from apartheid. Immediate accusations of reverse racism obscured a deep issue about how whites
should feel and act in a country still scarred by the injustices of the regime that benefited so many of them.
In an academic paper that has also caused intense debate in newspapers and on the internet I explored the moral burden that
whiteness places on us and was met by a similar outbreak of self-righteous outrage. I suggested that white people should
cultivate humility and silence, given their morally compromised position in the continuing racial and economic injustices of this
country.
I did not mean that we ought not to reflect on political matters or initiate conversations about them, as I am doing here. Rather,
we should refrain from trying to manage and shape a political landscape still scarred by our destructive presence. We stand on
no moral high ground, it seems to me, from which to issue public criticism of the government or black politicians, to complain
about corruption and revel in scandal. However concerned we might be about the state of the country, it cannot be our role to
act as the moral watchdogs of those now in power.
This was controversial enough. But in support of this conclusion I argued further that it is appropriate for whites to feel shame
at their white identity, given its destructive legacy and the way it continues to shapes us. Of course, we did not choose to be
born white but that does not stop us benefiting from it stillin ways that are far subtler than merely social and economic. We
move easily about a world made in our own image, validating our own values and beliefs and sustaining our own comfort,
unimpeded by the kinds of structural and systemic challenges black people face daily. That is something to feel ashamed about.
My views were first discussed in the media by Eusebius McKaiser (in Die Burger in June and then in the Mail & Guardian in July
(http://mg.co.za/article/2011-07-01-confronting-whiteness)), whose article unleashed a torrent of responses that were
overwhelmingly defensive and abusive. I have been characterised as a self-hating attention-seeker and directed to commit
suicide. As a matter of course I have been labelled stupid, neurotic and blinded bymy favourite insultwomanly political
views. The university I work for has been criticised for allowing such bilge to be published under its auspicesa casual attack
on academic freedom.
Some are sceptical I even exist: perhaps the shadowy and improbably named Samantha Vice is a figment of McKaisers
provocative imagination? McKaiser himself has been denounced by both ends of the political spectrum and, most disturbingly,
Stellenbosch philosopher Anton van Niekerk was assaulted for his sympathetic discussion of my views.
Translation to journalism

These responses are extreme. It is not often that a paper in an academic journal receives any attention outside academia, let
alone a response of such energy and vitriol. I thought of the paper as opening a space for further discussion; it was exploratory,
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personal and tentative, features that have perhaps inevitably been lost in the translation to journalism. I may be wrong in my
conclusions, but the debate they have generated indicates that this is a conversation we urgently need to have in this country
and that my critics lack the good faith, empathy and calm heads it would require. It has certainly brought to the surface the
intense and personal nature of race and identity in this country.
The paper touched two nerves. One was white peoples sense of themselves as basically decent. We have an enduring need to
think well of ourselves, so it is deeply uncomfortable to be told we should feel ashamed of ourselves. Another was our sense of
our place and role in South Africa. It is, after all, the only home most of us have; our personal investment and history give us a
stake in its success and so we feel entitled to air our opinions about its development.
It has been said often and stridently in the past weeks that whites deserve their success and comfort because they work hard
and are diligent and law-abiding. Furthermore, apartheid is over and everyone is equal, so we should quit complaining and
move on.
But a simplistic view of identity is at work in these responses. We forget the vast background of institutions, state support and
opportunities that made our success possible; we forget that we do not develop in a vacuum or create ourselves ex nihilo.
Apartheids dubious gift to whites was the chance to live comfortably, securely and with opportunities for creative development
and worldly success. Apartheid cushioned whites at the expense of making life very hard for othersand the effects of this
injustice are still present.
So, however attached whites are to this countryand part of my point is that, whether we admit it or not, we are fundamentally
attached to its sad history and legacyand however much we care for its success, we shouldnt feel completely comfortable.
The refusal to acknowledge ones luck is a manifestation of the careless complacence and arrogance that make whites feel
entitled to these advantagesand convinced that their own efforts alone made their success possible.
We see this arrogance surfacing in responses to Tutus call for a white tax. White privilege has partly constituted our identities
and inflected our voices when we speak out. Once we reflect on this, we realise that we are not as we should be and this, it
seems to me, is a cause for shame and a quieter political presence.
I am not calling for apathy or withdrawal from all public life. Whites ought to work together with blacks to make the country
betterwe have plenty to contributebut we should do it quietly and in the background, working on the selves that are cause
for shame before we judge others.
Self-reflective silence is an appropriate recognition of the compromised nature of our white identity: perhaps we should get our
own house in order before criticising others. Then we might see our way to taking up Tutus gentle challenge and paying that
tax. We might create the conditions in which we need no longer be silentwe might have reason to think better of ourselves.
Academic Samantha Vice has caused a storm of controversy with her thoughts on white shame in South Africa. Read the reactions.
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CliffordTebogo 5yearsago

ItislikethemovieAvatargolivewiththemforawhilethencomebackafterfiveyearsandreadthesamearticlethatyouhavewritten,youwillnot
believewhatyouhavewritten.
ThefunnypartwiththisisweBlackslivewithyouandunderstandwhatyouvalue.Weliveinyourhousesandraiseyourchildrenetc.
CanyousaythisabouttheBlacks?
HaveyoueverwentandfindoutamongstheBlackstoseewhytheybehaveasyoupercievetheybehave?
Aftersleepingandeatingwiththemyouwillhavetherighttojudgethemandsaywhateveryouwanttosayaboutthem.Notwhileyouattheconfortof

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thetownhousescomeliveinourghettosdonotbeafraidyouwillbestillinSouthAfrica.
Donotbeafraidofthisattitudealteringexperience.IfyoufeelthatIamcrazytoofferyouthisthenyoumustdoanintrospectionaswhyyourefuseto
come.
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TheoEx 5yearsago

Samantha,Ireadyourarticleandsubsequentcommentswithinterest.Iagreeyouarequiteboldtowritesomethingthiscontroversialandcommend
you.Itisdifficultforallhumanstoreflectonpastmistakesandhencehumilityisrequiredtoevaluateandthenmakethenecessarychanges.
Inordertogrowasanintegratedsocietyappreciationofthepastisamustbutifonlywhitesmustfeelashamedandquietlyfadeinthebackgroundwe
runtheriskofabsolvingthosewenegativelyimpactSouthAfricanow.Isitnotexactlyforthisreasonweallshouldcontributeequallytoleavealegacy
ofhope,cooperation,tollerenceandcompassionforthosewhocannotspeakforthemselves,ourchildrenandtheirchildren.Itisnotaboutus,itwas
neveraboutus.It'saboutthechildrenofSouthAfrica.Withallthat'songoinginSouthAfricawearefailingthemandifwewoulddoasyousuggestwe
wouldcontinuetofailthem.

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JocelynTeriFryer 5yearsago

Iamstrugglingtocomprehendallthisfrustration...?WhatViceseemstobesuggestingissomeselfreflection.AlthoughIamnotreligiousmyself,my
grandfatherisaRomanCatholic,andsaysofhisbeliefthatifitisnotaquestioningandattimeschallengingone,itisnotanalivefaith.Ifeelthesame
aboutlivinghere,aboutfillingin'SouthAfrican'onthedottedlinenextto'Nationality'and'Caucasian'nextto'Race'.Itisinterestingthatinthiscountry,
thetentativeandmosthumbledpositionshouldbethemostbold,andIapplaudViceforhercourage.Istartedsomethingina(perhapsinvain)attempt
togivevoicetomyown'uncomfortable'positionwhiletryingtostakeahesitantclaimtolovethiscountry:http://playinginthelight.blogs....Ihave
struggledsince(ratheruncourageously)tomusterupanythingclosetotheboldnessVicesorefreshingly'reinflects'forwhiteSouthAfricans.
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HenryMalishe 5yearsago

Thearchbishopisnostrangertocontroversialbuthealthydebates,5yearsagoheadvocatedtheparoleofChrisHanikillerswhichdrewanoutrage
fromHaniloyalists,hewasrationallysayingthisonthepremisethatCliveDebyLewiswasstillaSouthAfricancitizenandhehavearightto
enjoyrightsavailabletohim.EvenhereasacitizenofSAhehavearighttoexpresshisviewsonanyissuewithoutbeingcastigated.Letsuscreate
anddevelopaculturewhereissuesare"thrownintheopen'andshrewdwiththeswordofreasoning",bythat,wewillbecomeawinningnation.Lets
uscreateacultureofprovidinglightthanaheat.
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monicama123 5yearsago

SamanthaVice:IdentityInfinitelypresumptuousandpatronising:"Iamnotcallingforapathyorwithdrawalfromallpubliclife..."Thankyouvery
much.Alsolackingabroadunderstandingandcompassion.
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monicama123 5yearsago

ReSamanthaVice:Identity
Infinitepresumptionandpatronisation:"Iamnotcallingforapathyorwithdrawalfromallpubliclife..."Thankyousomuch.Also,lackinginabroad
understandingandcompassion.MonicaDBN

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nick9lives 5yearsago

Ohgodnotagain,Samanthait'senoughnow.
Whileyoustrugglewithyourownidentityandyourprofoundsenseofguiltorshame,orwhateveritmaybe,letmeproposeanantidoteofsorts.
Itgoeslikethis,justadmittoyourself,thatyouarearacist(inexactlythesamewayyouwouldadmitthatyouwereanalcoholicforinstance...)
Andtoday,youwilltrynottobeanalcoholic.Doyoufeelbetternow?
IknowIdo.IknowthisbecauseInevercreatedapartheidandIneverconsciouslycontributedtoitinanyway.NowwhyshouldIfeelguiltorshame?
Inmyopinion,itismoreimportantthatweacceptourroleashumanbeingsand,recognizetheburdenofourbrothersandsisters,fathers,mothers
andchildren,irrespectiveofcolour.
Yourthoughtsadivisiveandyoupreachadistortedkindofracism.Ifsomeoneneedshelp,Idonotcareiftheyareblack,pinkorwhiteandIhelp
themifIcanandbecausetheyneedthehelp.
Imagineforamomentnowthatyouarea"black"personandtheonlyreasonsomebodyishelpingyouisbecauseofyourcolour.
Whatasupremeinsult.
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LisaGarson 5yearsago

IamverygratefultoSamanthaVice!ForthefirsttimesomeonehasreallymanagedtoarticulatehowIfeelaboutbeingwhiteinSouthAfricaandthe
growingdiscomfortIhavebeenfeelingatthewayinwhichwhiteSouthAfricansinparticulararesoquicktopointfingersandscreamcorruptionand
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growingdiscomfortIhavebeenfeelingatthewayinwhichwhiteSouthAfricansinparticulararesoquicktopointfingersandscreamcorruptionand
scandalmongerattheleadersofournewandveryteenagedemocracy.Areourmemoriesthatshort?Wasthepreviousgovernmentwhichwasin
powerforover40yearsnotevenmorecorruptdiditnotinventandupholdoneofthegravesthumanrightsviolationsofalltime?Iforone,like
SamanthaViceamnotashamedtosaythatIfeel"shameatmywhiteidentitygivenit'sdestructivelegacyandthewayitcontinuestoshapeme."Why
iseveryonesofrightenedoffeelingshame?It'snotsobad,infactthepositivethingaboutshameisthatithasatransformationaleffectitissuchan
uncomfortableemotionthatwhoeverfeelsithastodosomethingaboutit.
QuitehonestlyIthinkMandelaletwhitesoffthehook.Hewassokeentoavoidabloodbaththathebentoverbackwardstoincludewhitesinthe
liberationofthecountryfromtheshacklesofapartheidandtherewasneveranyrealandmeaningfulapology.Whitesneverturnedaroundandhumbly
apologisedforperpetuatingasystemwhichwassoevilthatwewillcontinuetofeelit'sreverberationsforseveralmoregenerations.Whitesasawhole
werenevercalledontomakegood.
Shealsosays"Wemoveeasilyaboutaworldmadeinourownimage,validatingourownvaluesandbeliefsandsustainingourowncomfort,
unimpededbythekindsofstructuralandsystemicchallengesblackpeoplefacedaily.Thatissomethingtofeelashamedabout."Isitnotamazinghow
truethisis?Thelandscapeofourcountryhasbeenshapedforwhiteconvenience.Theresimplyisnoinfrastructureforthevastmajorityofthe
populationfromhousestoschoolstotransporttosewagetowaterallthesophisticatedinfrastructureisstillthereforwhites.Andinsteadoffeeling
ashamedthatasaresultofapartheidwearestillthemajorbeneficiariesofthisoratleastinsteadoffeelingluckyandbeinggracefulaboutourluckwe
sitinourcomfortablehousesandpronouncefromamoralhighgroundthatwehavenorighttoinhabit.
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BarrySaayman>LisaGarson 5yearsago

Wastheprevious
governmentwhichwasinpowerforover40yearsnotevenmorecorruptdidit
notinventandupholdoneofthegravesthumanrightsviolationsofalltime?
Didtheworldandthe
majorityofSouthAfricansovercomewhiteminorityrule,imperialismandcolonialism
byremainingrespectfullyquite?
Areyouawareofthenewhuman
rightsviolationsinthepostapartheidSAifso,doyousupportitandindicatehowyouthinkthevictimsshouldreacttoit?
Doyouforexamplebelieve
thatthewhitemalevictimsofAAthatarebannedforlifefromthelabour
marketthatarecurrentlylivingwiththeirfamiliesinperpetualpoverty
deservetheinjusticesdonetothemandifso,whynotratheryouoryour
family?

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AmanBLOOM 5yearsago

Okay...followingmyinitialoverreactiontoProf.Vice'sthinkingforI,too,believethatallshouldhaveequalvoice,oratleastachanceatitand
addinginmygeneraladmirationformanyofherefforts,oftenascourageousasthis,Icometothisnotion:ifthereasonwhywhitesseemtohavea
biggervoiceinmanyworlddiscussionsisbecauseoftheoveralleffectthattheirabuseasaracehashadinmostpartsoftheworld,thenwouldn'twe
beabettingthatinjusticebyallowingittocontinue?
Ontheotherhand,myegalitarianselfcontinuestoupholdtheviewthatallpeopleofsincereandgoodintentoughttohaveacompletesayinmattersof
improvingculture,thenisn'titunreasonabletoobstructanyone'saccess,especiallyifthecrimesareofthedistantpast?
Ontheotherorthirdhand,wewouldn'texpectmen,forexample,tohaveanequalvoiceindeterminingtherightsofwomen,evenhowevertheywillbe
ultimatelyandpersonallyaffectedbyanydecisionmaking,andwouldrightlyexpectthemtoremainhumbleandinthebackground,speakingonlywhen
asked.
Whichsortofjusticeareweseeking?
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CarelPretorius 5yearsago

Howironictoseethattheargumentis(still)framedinblackandwhite.Clearlytheidealofanonracialsocietywasamirageand"white"SouthAfricans
whovotedtoabolishapartheidmadeamonumentalmistakeaswenowlearnthatracialclassificationstillexists!Basedonlyonourwhitenesswenow
havetoprofessourcollectiveguiltandacceptour"disgrace"meekly.Samanthahasopenedmyeyestotheinescapablefactthatthereisasingle
homogenouswhiteness,justassurelyasthereisasingleblackness,jewishness.......Andtothinkthatthisrediscoveryoftheimportanceofrace
originatesfromaliberaluniversitynogal!!
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WilkenFenrirLues 5yearsago

EverymonthIpayaboutR8000tax..OntopofthatIpayR2000formedicalinsurance(foraservicethegovernmentshouldhaveprovided),Ipay
R1000levyforsecurity(aservicethegovernmentshouldhaveprovided)andnowIshallpaytolltousegovernmentroads...Let'shopetheSADFis
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R1000levyforsecurity(aservicethegovernmentshouldhaveprovided)andnowIshallpaytolltousegovernmentroads...Let'shopetheSADFis
outstandingatprotectingourborders,becausehonestly,Idon'tknowwhatmytaxesareusedfor.Inmyopinion,thewhitesarepayingenoughtaxto
compensateforthepastourtaxesareusedtothebenefitofthepoor,whilewepayadditionalamountsforourprivateneeds,Ilikethecurrentsystem.
Ifthegovernmentneedsmoremoneyforpartiesandshinycars,raisethetaxesforeveryone,buttargetingonegroupisabsurd.Youcancallitwhat
youwant,butitcomesdowntoseparatedevelopmentandunderminestheideathatSouthAfricaareforthosewholiveinit.
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FrankBarry 5yearsago

Thiscountry'spoliticalproblemswillneverbesolvedbyalienatingwhites.Ifwedon'tmoveonfromourobsessionwithracewewillneverfindtheunity
wesoneed.Mostoftheworldseesclassasamoreusefulwayofstratifyingsociety.Weallunderstandtheproblemsfacingusieunemploymentand
thesadlyunemployable.Itisludicroustosuggestthateducatedpeopleshouldrefrainfromcriticisinggovernmentcorruptionandincompetencewhen
thesearedirectlyhinderingjobcreationandskillstraining.Allmindsshouldbeappliedtofindingwaystoimprovethelotofthepoor.Weshouldbe
debatingtheseideasnotrakingoverthepast.
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GrantWalliser 5yearsago

IsuggestthatVicehassimplystatedsomethingthatresonateswithyourperceptionofrealityandyourinsecurities.Ivirtuallyguranteethatshehasnot
spokenthetruthorporesentedanobjectiveviewoftheSouthAfricanreality.TheSouthAfricanrealityisagrimy,jostlingmessthatcannever
accuratelybedescribedbysimperingpoliticallycorrectviewssuchasthoseexpressedabove.
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GrantWalliser 5yearsago

Samantha,onesimplequestionneedstobeaskedaboutyourpointofviewandtherathershakygroundonwhichitisbased:Whatgoodcancomeof
it?Inwhatpossiblescenarioshouldagroupofpeopledevelopahumiltyandaguiltsopowerfulthattheyallowanothergroupofpeopletostart
dominatingtheminsteadofupliftingthatgrouptojointhem?Howdoesthisgroupofpeoplefinallyescapefromthiscycleofnegativeintrospection?
Howdoesthisgroupofpeopleraisechildrenbytellingthemtheyareguiltyandmuststandbackforothersinourcruelworld?
Ialsobelievethatyouarerepeatingthepartylinesotospeakwhenyouallocateapartheidasthesourceofwhitewealth.Thisisblatantlyuntrue.
ApartheidwasausefulmagnificationofwhitewealthbutthetruesourceofthatwealthistheskillthatwhiteEuropeansbroughtwiththemtothis
countryenablingthemtoexploititsvastnaturalresourceswhichremainedlargelyuntappedbyblackSouthAfricans.ThatblackSouthAfricanswere
mistreatedisnotindisputebuthundredsofyearsago,thosewhofellbehindintheskillsandtechnologyracewereconquoredandsubjugated.Thatis
howourworldworkedbackthenandstilldoesinmanyways.BlackSouthAfricawasbynomeansspecialinthisregard.Allnationshavebeen
throughthis.Allpeoplehavebeenconquored.Thosewhothrivetodayarethosethatstoodupandwithpriderepelledtheirconquerors.
Therearetwowaysforthiswholeequationtobalanceout.Eitherwhitesmustbetaxedandshamedandlasheduntiltheirselfloathingandourmorbid
nationalnarrativedragsthemdowntoalevelthatblackSouthAfricansfeelcomfortablewithorblackSouthAfricanscanstandup,takeprideintheir
achievementsofdismantlingapartheidandtakingpoliticalpowerfromaveryskilledandadvancedopponentthusdemonstratingtheirparityinthe
survivalstakes.Tome,blackprideisapositiveandsustainableantidotetoartificialanddestructivewhiteguiltandsumsupwhyyourpleatowhitesto
grovelinshameisquitefranklypoorlyformulatedandnotverycarefullythroughtthrough,especiallyfromfirstprinciples.
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AtlasReader 5yearsago

"Touchinganerve"isn'tajustificationforutteringafoulorfalseorfoolishcommdent.Acompleteidiotcan"touchanerve"intheracialtensionofSA.
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henrik 5yearsago

maybetheycandevisesometest,simmilartothethen"penciltest",,sothatnonblackstodaymaybereclasified.
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DaveFroneman 5yearsago

Itseemstobeforgotten,andisnowhereaddressedbyanyoftheresponses,thatDesmondTutuisfirstandforemostamanwhospeaksasonewho
believesinapersonalGod.Hismoralstancebeginsandendsthere.Notwithstandingalltheresponsesofagreementanddisagreement,
ofprotestingtheoutrageofcorporateresponsibilityversusindividualmerit,itisimperativethatwepeerbeneaththeobviousblanketofblameand
shameandtryandseetherealissue.Servanthood.Tutu'sherowastheultimateservantandhecannotbutseesuchasthesolution.Thatiswhathe
means.
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MythOs>DaveFroneman 5yearsago

Hebelievesthat?Hemeansthat?WhydoIhavemydoubts?

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MythOs 5yearsago

So,didabsolutelynoblackpeopleachieveanythingeducationallyoreconomicallyduringtheapartheidyears,whilelivinginSA?Notone,nowhere
nohow?
Comeon,youachievers,raiseyourhands.Andshowthatsomeoftheguiltbelongstotheblackswhojustsatbackandacceptedthesituation.
I'mfedupwithallthesepsychobasketcaseswhocan'tgetoverthemselvesandgetahead.
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I'mfedupwithallthesepsychobasketcaseswhocan'tgetoverthemselvesandgetahead.
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PaulBarrett 5yearsago

EusebiusMcKaiserdoesanexcellentjobarguingagainstSamanthaVice'scallforwhitestoactonlyinthebackground,andthemoreridiculousclaim
thatsomehowbeingwhitemeansyouareloweronthemoralladderthanacorruptpoliticianwhostealsmoneywhichshouldgotohelpingthosewho
needitmost.
IwilltouchonlyonthepartheagreeswiththeshameanglebecauseherehemakesthesamemistakethatVicedoes.
Therewasatimewhenitwasappropriateformetofeelshame,onceIwasoldenoughtounderstandtherealitiesofapartheid.Idealtwiththatby
variousactions,including,butnotlimitedto,votingyesinthereferendum,votingANCuntilitbecameclearthattheirprioritieswerenolongerthepeople
ofthecountryandgoodgovernance,andstayingheretocreateacareerformyselfwhichallowsmetocontributefinanciallyratherthanrunningaway
toanothercountryasIquiteeasilycouldhavedone,takingmyprivilegededucationwithmetoaplacewhereIwouldbejudgedonhowIlivedmylife
andnotthecolourofmyskin.
Inolongerseeareasonformetofeelshame.Holdingontoshameindefinitelyisanunhealthywaytoliveeitheryouhavenotdealtwiththereasons
fortheshameoryouareholdingontoanemotionwhichhasnopracticalvalue.
Vice'sargumentforusallfeelingcontinuingshameispoor,herreasoningbasedonlumpingallwhitepeopleintoonehomogeneousgroupwithno
regardforindividuality.
Iamnotperfect,butItrytorecognizemyflawsandworkonthem.Thisisnoreasonforshame,onlyselfawarenessandselfreflection.
Viceadmitsthatshemaybewronginherconclusions.Ihopesheseriouslyconsidersthisinlightoftherationalargumentsagainstherviewpoint.I
agreewithonething,however.Thisisadiscussionworthhaving.
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SteveGoodrick 5yearsago

Samantha,Iagreewithmuchyousay,butthink
yourviewpointlacksbalance,hencethegeneralrejectionofthestanceyou
proposewhitesadopt.
Youappeartoascribethedisparitybetween
whitesandblackssolelytoalevelofprivilegelegislatedbyapartheid.Thisissimplynottrue.Thegapwasmuchgreaterwhenthefirstwhite
settlersarrivedtheybroughtwiththemtheeducation,technologiesandskills
thatplacedthemhundredsifnotthousandsofyearsaheadoftheindigenous
peoplesatthattime.
Similarly,youdontseemtoconsiderat
allthehugecontributionthateducation,technologyandskillsmadetothis
countrythedevelopmentinthemere130orsoyearssincethelastcolonial
warsendedisprimarilyduetothatcontribution.Whitesalsohavereasontobeproudoftheir
positivecontributiontothecountry,andthusoftheirwhiteness.
Aneffectivesolutiontoaproblemneedsa
full,frankandhonestappraisaloftheproblem.Idontbelieveyouhavemadethisinall
respects.
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StephenClark 5yearsago

Samantha,asmuchofaphilosophyexpertyoumaybe,Imhorrifiedbythefactthatyouappeartobeashamedofwhoyouare.Whatdoyouactually
standforifyouareembarrasedbyyourcorehuman?Whatareyouropinionsworth?Inmyview,nothing.
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jemevans 5yearsago

No,DrVice,thesimplisticparthereisyourtakeon'white'identity.The'selvesthatarecauseforshame'?Getagriponyourselfceaseprojecting,for
starters.KhoesanX'scommentisprettybangonthemark.
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Wikus 5yearsago

Whataboutlookingattheothersideofthecoinforachange,atthewaysinwhichblackshavebenefitedfromthepresenceofwhitesinthiscountry?I
suspectthatafterthebookshavebeenbalanceditmayturnoutthatwhitesareowedmorethanowing.
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BrencisPrice 5yearsago

..andtheblackshameforthemessthatpermeatsAfrica?

Foradifferent,ifnottotallyagreeableperspective:
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DaveHarris 5yearsago

AlasSamantha,likemostgreatthinkers,youseemtobealonevoiceinthewildernessofourmainstreammediawhosimplyservecorporate
interests.Fortunately,however,therearestillmanySouthAfricansofallraces,thatcanseeandfeelthepowerandwisdombehindyourwords.Both
thepreviousoppressorsandoppressedareinextricablyboundineachothersdestiniesregardlessofhowtheymaytrytosidestepthepast.Inacruel
twistoffate,whitesupremacistswillnowfeelwhatitsliketobethe"other".Themoralgroundofwhiteswerelostlongago,whentheyweresilentto
apartheid'sinjusticesperpetratedbyapartheidformanygenerations.Thevotingdatahttp://southafricana.blogspot....speaksvolumes!Neverbeforein
thehistoryofmankind,didanentirenationremainsilentforsolonginthefaceofsuchinjusticeandthisalone,iswhywhiteSouthAfricansshould
shutTFupwhenitcomestocorruption,racismfreedomofspeechandwhatnot!Theyshouldfocusinsteadonhealingthemselvesandcleaningupthe
incrediblemesscreatedbyapartheidandcenturiesofwhitesupremacy.IwasdeeplymovedbyTutu'sspeech

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SebastianSandenbergh>DaveHarris 5yearsago

MrHarris,IwasraisedinBotswanabecausemyfamily,longbeforeIwasborn,sawtheinjusticesintheApartheidsystem,Iwasbornin
JohannesburgandI'velivedinSAfornearly10years.IconsidermyselfforemostahumanbeingandanAfrican.
IamnotawhitesupremacistandIwillnotbemadetofeelguiltyfortheactionsNORtheinactionofafewpeoplethesamecolorasmeinatime
whenIcouldn'twipemyownbackside,despitethisIknowwhatitisliketobetheOtherandI'vebeenmadetofeelashamedandattimesguilty
ofbeingwhite,asyouwouldhavemefeel.Thatisoppression,andthatisracism.IwillnotshuTFupwhenitcomestoracism,corruption,
injusticeandthefutureofAfricaandallAfricans,Iwillnotasthe"greatthinker"suggestssitidlybyinsilenceandlistentoyouuseahistoryI
hadnohandinasaweaponagainstmysenseofselfandpride.Nomatterhowangryyouarewithyourlotinlifeandthehistoryofthiscountry
andnomatterhowmuchyoublogaboutit,neitherDrVicenoryouaregoingtomakemesitinsilenceasthefutureofthiscountryisdestroyed
anditwouldbeevenfurtherifanywhiteAFRICANtooksuchstupidadvice,andforthatIamvery,veryproud.
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RickusViljoen>DaveHarris 5yearsago

Dave,Ireallydon'tunderstandwhatwouldyouhavemedo..."shutTFupwhenitcomestocorruption,racismfreedomofspeech"(yourwords),
andletthewrongscontinue?("Allthatisnecessaryforthevictoryofevilisthatgoodmendonothing").LeavemywholelifethatIhavebuildin
mycountryandliveinexileinanotherman'scountry?Orlaydownanddiefromshame?
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MacFlurry>DaveHarris 5yearsago

"Whitesoughttoworktogetherwithblackstomakethecountrybetterwehaveplentytocontributebutweshoulddoitquietlyandinthe
background,workingontheselvesthatarecauseforshamebeforewejudgeothers".
Eventhoughyouclearlybelieveyouholdthemoralhighgroundherewhichmakesyouentitledtopreachtoothershowtoengageinpubliclife
andwhattothinkingeneral,IsincerelyhopeyoutakethewholeofDrVice'sarticletohearti.e.asaprivilegedindividual,quietlyandhumbly
withdrawintothebackground.
Ofallthestridentprivilegedandjudgmentalcommenters,youstandinaclassallofyourown,sir.
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MoHaarhoff 5yearsago

IfVicedoesnotbelievesheis'basicallydecent',sheneedstodosomethingaboutit.Ifshebelievesthat'selfreflectivesilenceisanappropriate
recognitionofthecompromisednature'ofherwhiteidentity,perhapssheshouldreflectinsilenceandstopshoutingtheodds.Shemakesthesame
mistakeasTuTu(whoshouldknowfarbetterwithhisChristianbackground),sheisprejudgingacollectiveofstrangers.DearVice:tothineownself
betrue!
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CordeWit 5yearsago

Howeverconcernedwemightbeaboutthestateofthecountry,itcannotbeourroletoactasthemoralwatchdogsofthosenowinpower.
ThosemoralissuesencompasstheveryreasonwhyApartheidwasinstitutedinthefirstplace.Thisisnotanotionyouoftenhear,but,inmyopinion,
thereshouldbesomeconsiderationforthereasonswhyitwasinstituted.Itwascertainlynotjustforthefunofitorbecausethewhiteswereevilin
nature.Itwasameanstosurviveunderacceptablecircumstances,becauseblackswerenotconsideredcapableofgoodgovernanceanotionwhich
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nature.Itwasameanstosurviveunderacceptablecircumstances,becauseblackswerenotconsideredcapableofgoodgovernanceanotionwhich
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BazzleC 5yearsago

DearSamanthaVice,
Ihavetoagreewiththepeoplecommentingbecauseeverywhitepersonhadtogothroughwhatpoorblackpeoplenowhavetogothroughtogetto
wheretheyaretoday.Theyhadtotravelmanykminordertogoandcleanrichfolkshousesinordertosendtheirkidstoschoolandfeedthem.They
wereexposedtoextremelevelsofpovertyandallthatcomeswithit.ItwouldbeunfairtoexpectSouthAfricanwhitepeopletonotholdthehighermoral
groundsincetheywentthrougheverythingthattheSouthAfricanblacksdid.
Howcouldyoupossiblyexpectanythingelsefromthem?
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BeEls 5yearsago

ProfVice
ClinicalresearchoverwhelminglyconfirmsthatShameandGuiltwillinevitablyleadtothefollowingpathologicalconsequences:
reducedselfesteem
lackofmotivation
sleepdisorders
neuroticbehaviours
impairedperformanceatwork
socialwithdrawal
morbiddepression
suicidaltendences
Willthiscountryreallybenefitfrom2millionwhiteadultsneedingProzac?
Isitfairtodemandthatchildrenwithpaleskinsmustsuffertheeffectsofemotionallydysfunctionalandsociallywithdrawnparents?
Prof,itsapitythatyouandEusebiuschosetowriteoffallcommentsinresponsetoyouropinonsasvitriolicinsultsandrefusedtoactuallydebatewith
thosecommentatorswhoinvitedreasonabledebate.
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Waxfoot>BeEls 5yearsago

Bereflectiveofprivilegeabsolutelyagree.
Besensitiveandempathetictothoselessfortunate:amentothat.
Understandthatahugepartofonesadvantageintheworldisblindluckandanaccidentofcircumstance:Itotallygetthat.
Haveasenseofresponsibilityforusingonesadvantages,talentsandenergiesforthegreatergoodevenifthatinvolvesconsiderableself
sacrifice:hellyeah.

Havingthemantleofguiltandshamefoistedupononebasedonthesolecriterionofepidermalmelanocyteconcentration:nothanksjustnotin
mynature.(Besides,thatsallbeendonebefore,hasitnot?)
Beingexpectedtofoistthemantleofguiltandshameuponmyoffspring:justtoodiabolicaltocomprehend.
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lukescook>Waxfoot 5yearsago

AsWaxfootsays.UndernocircumstanceswillIraisemyoneyearoldsonto"feelshameat[his]whiteidentity"orfeelthathis"[self]"is
a"causeforshame".
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lukescook>Waxfoot 5yearsago

AsWaxfootsays.WhateverImayfeelaboutthethecomplicityorculpabilityofwhitepeopleofacertainageinthecrimeofapartheid,I
willnotraisemyoneyearoldsonto"feelshamein[his]whiteidentity"orfeelthathis"[self]"is"causeforshame".Itisnotwhitenessper
sethatisshameful.
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SAEish 5yearsago

Sadlydrolltothinkthatanacademic(well,socalled)candirectclingtoracistthinking,lumpingagrouptogetherbasedonskincolour.Thensheasks
thelumpedgrouptogiveuptheirconstitutionalrightsonhersayso.MaybereadabitaboutdignityMsVice,we'reentitledtoit.Quitesadthatthis
racistthinkinghasreplcedracebasedaparheidwithminimalimprovementinprincipal(actuallylackthereof).
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DaveMartin 5yearsago

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IwonderhowJoeSlovoorAlbieSachswouldrespondtothis...
Surelytherecannotbeacollectivewhiteguilt?IfsomeonelikeSlovogavehiswholelifetofightingapartheid,surelyhehasearnedarighttospeak?If
so,thenthebasicargumenthereiswrongitcomesdowntopersonalmoralitynotageneral"racial"morality.
Tobehonest,thisargumentslapsthefaceofourconstitution'spromiseofequalitytoall.
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JeanMackenzie 5yearsago

WhatyouaresayingBUKBOYisliketellingJewishpeople"togeteducatedandstopthinkingalongraciallines"whenfacedwithfascismand
antisemitismduringthe1920sand1930s.educationhasdoneverylittletoimproveyourunderstandingofthingsBUKBOY.andthatgoesforyourilkin
Julius,SteveHoffmyr,DonaldRumsfeld,RobertMugabe.

IfeelforyouSamantha...Iaminspiredbyyourboldnesshowever.
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bukboy>JeanMackenzie 5yearsago

Kubo,onlyuneducatedpeoplesimplifyverycomplexissuesintoracematters.Theytransformanychanceforrationalandconstructive
discourseintoanemotiveUsvs.Themsituation,destroyinganyraceneutralityorgoodwill.
Samanthahasbeenbrainwashedbyexactlythesetypes,notrealizingthatpeoplecoveruptheirshortfallsbyplayingtheracecard,insteadof
engagingintelligently.
Nicetry.Verymanipulativeofyou.
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KhoesanX 5yearsago

Ican'thelpfeelingthatSamanthaVice'ssugestedapproachsmacksofreverseracism,asitpatronisesblackpeopleaspowerlesstoovercome
societalandotherobstacles,andthattheyneeda"handicap"orheadstartintheformofwhite'sbackingoff,orquietlydeliveringhandouts.
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thabomophiring>KhoesanX 5yearsago

whitesnotcontinuingtoexcludewherepossibleorusingcurrentpowertodenytransformation.Ifeelnoreverseracismonherpart,justa
willingnesstounderstandandengageasopposedtodenial
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GideonRossouw 5yearsago

WhileIagreethatprivilegedSouthAfricansshouldengageinreflectionaboutthedutieswhichcouldarisefromthatprivilege,thenotionthatitisaduty
ofsilenceisveryproblematic.Iresistedbeingcategorised(inallitsFoucauldiansenses)as'white'bytheapartheidregime(refusingtoserveinthe
SADFetc)butnowIamconstructedasa"white"inwayswhichIcannotescapeandwhichdevaluesthecontributionIcanmaketothissociety.
Reducingthattoanadditionaltaxburdenonaracialbasisisoffensiveatawholerangeoflevels.Todesiretheadditionofaburdenofsilencetothisto
denymyvalidityaspersonandasacitizen.WhileIwouldbehesitanttotakeagenderisedviewonthis,Ithinkonecoulddrawinterestingparallels
betweentheexpectationof"whitesworkingquietlyinthebackground"withthetraditionalrolesinascribedtowomeninpubliclife.Myexperienceofthe
oldSouthAfricawasoneofbeingsilencedandmarginalised,asagaymanandsomeoneexpressingprogressivevalues.Thenotionthatmy
supposed'whiteness'nowrequiresthatIstillbesilencedisviewwhichIconsideruntenable,andwiththegreatestrespecthavetoreject.
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siyaphela 5yearsago

DrViceyouareputtingyourselfinaverydifficultsituationandImustsaythatyouareverybraveindeed.AsablackpersonidontagreewithJulius
andalotofotherafricanleadersandthatdoesnotbringthewrathofblackafricanbloggersandthemedia(maybeitsbecausetheylackaccess).But
whatyouhavedoneisbeginajourneytotheproverbialcrosslikeLukeWatsonandotherwhitepeoplewhohavedecidedtovoiceanobjectiveview
ofsouthafricanreality.Weareinthisviciouscycletogethermysister,someareinsidealaagerandothersinakraalbutthesuppocationwefeelis
mutual.Ournediawillletlooseitsdogsofwarandtheywillcomedownonyoulikeatoneofbricksandlikenyoutomaniacswhosedepthof
intelligenceisskindeep.
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billbrander 5yearsago

TheonlyparagraphIagree99%onisthe2ndlastone.
IfIrecallcorrectlytheNPused'jobreservation'togivespecificindividualsanopportunitytolivemorecomfortablythanwhattheirskillsandtalents
wouldallowtheminanopencompetetiveworkplace.
NowtheANCareusingAA&BBBEEforthesamereasons.Isthatnotenough"tax"?
Pleasetakealookoutsideofyourshelteredenvironmentandtrystartingandrunningabusinessasanonblackpersoninanbusinessenvironment
biasedagainstyou.Ifinditvery'taxing'.
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RodBaker 5yearsago

Soonthesamebasis,allGermanstodayshouldbeashamedofbeingGermantkstoHitleretaldidmorethan6070yearsagoJewsshouldbe
ashamedofthemselvesbecauseJewshandedJesusovertotheRomans2000yearsagowhiteAustraliansshouldbeashamedofbeingwhite
becauseofwhattheirancestorsdidtotheAboriginesacoupleofhundredyearsagowhiteAmericansshouldbeashamedofbeingwhitebecauseof
whattheirancestorsdidtotheNativeAmericansacoupleofhundredyearsagowhiteSpaniardsshouldbeashamedofbeingwhitebecauseofwhat
CortezandPizarrodidinMexicoandPerurespectivelyafewhundredyearsagowhiteBritsshouldbeashamedofbeingwhitebecauseoftheBritish
Empire,NorthernIreland,etcFrenchwhitesshouldbeashamedonbeingwhitebecauseofAlgeria,VietnametcJapaneseshouldbeashamedof
beingJapanesebecauseoftheRapeofNanking,PearlHarbour,BataanDeathMarchetcwhiteRussiansshouldbeashamedofbeingwhitebecause
ofIvantheGreat,Stalin,thepurgesof1938etc...
Geez,it'sahellofalonglistofpeoplehavingtobeashamedofwhattheyaretodayandthecolouroftheirskinbecausetheirancestorsandforebears
years,sometimescenturiesbeforeturnedoutintheeyesofhistorytobearightbunchofshitsofnote.
So,fromme,sorryforbeingwhiteIreallyhadnoideaitwassuchaburdenandsuchadisgracefulthingtobethecolourthatIamamandforwhichI
blamemyownfatherandmother.Badparents.Bad!
However,ImusthavehadaninclingofthismassiveburdenofguiltIcarry(andwhichItragicially,butunwittingly,passedontoourtwosonssorry
guys),soIhavetriedtochange,promise.
Ihavetriedsprayontan,butthatturnedmeyellow.itriedpropertanningbutbeforeIwentbrown(ish)Ifirstwentbrightred,andthenfadedtopinkas
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AbeMbonani>RodBaker 5yearsago

Rob,doestthismeansinceitsalonglistoftheevilones,theyshouldnotbeashamedoftheirevilpast?Idon'tagreewithyou,butIdon'tagree
withViceeither.Ibelievepeopleshouldrecognisetheirmistakes,learnfromthemandtrytocontributeconstructivelytocorrecttheirmistakes.
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GrahamMayer 5yearsago

Whitesmaywellhavebenefitedandmaystillbenefitfromthehistoryofthiscountry,buttosuggestthattheyshouldstandsilentinthefaceof
corruption,greedandmismanagementisutterlyridiculousandirresponsible.
Itislikesayingthatbecauseyouonceliedinthepastyoushouldnot,havingreformed,pointoutthatsomebodyelseislyingortrytostopitfrom
happening.IwouldsayitisthedutyofeverySouthAfricancitizen,nomatterthecolouroftheirskin,topointoutandrailagainstcorruptionand
mismanagement.Perhapsthisburdenfallsmoregreatlyonthosewhoarewhitebecausethiscorruptionandmismanagementmostdeeplyimpactsthe
previouslydisadvantagedwho,becauseofthatverypreviousdisadvantage,maylackthevoicetoprotestortheinsighttoseetheproblem.
PersonallyIhavenoproblemwiththeconceptofawealthtax,evenonebasedonrace,providedthattaxwouldactuallygetusedforthebenefitof
thosewhoreallyneedit,ratherthantofundanotherunnecessary,lavishcelebrationorbuyanotherluxurycar.
Ithinktherewouldbesomethingmuchmoreeffectivethough:compulsorynationalservicefortheperiodof1year.Idon'tmeanmilitaryservicehere,
althoughthatcouldbeanoption.InsteadIamreferringtopeopleessentiallyworkinginthepublicsphere,inthepublicinterestforaperiod.Thiswould
beinwhatevercapacitytheycanaddthemostvalue,soanarchitectcoulddesignhousesforthepoor,abuilderwouldbuildthem,aprogrammer
wouldwritesoftwaretoimprovethedeliveryofservices,etc.Thestatewouldfundthisatthecostofboardandlodgingandasmallallowance.Itwould
beforallSouthAfricancitizens.
Thiswouldallowpeopletogainworkexperience,toworkwiththosefromotherbackgroundsandwouldcontributetothegoodofthecountryandwould
bemuchlesssubjecttoabuse.
Maybethinkaboutsomethingpracticalandpositive,ratherthansuggestingwhitesshouldbeashamed.Shameservesnopurposeandbenefitsno
one.Itisselfpity.
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SebastianSandenbergh>GrahamMayer 5yearsago

Exactly.

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