This is Google's cache of http://materials-welding.blogspot.com/2011/09/remw12395-smaw-electrode-for-p91.html.

It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared

on 23 Jul 2012 22:09:00 GMT. The current page could have changed in the
meantime. Learn more
Tip: To quickly find your search term on this page, press Ctrl+F or -F (Mac) and use
the find bar.
Text-only version
These search terms are highlighted: e9018 electrode difference

Materials & Welding

Materials selection, welding, forming, Heat treatment, corrossion, NDT

Subscribe to Materials & Welding

Top of Form

Email:
Subscribe

Bottom of Form

Visit this group

This Blog
Linked From Here
The Web

This Blog
Top of Form

Bottom of Form
Linked From Here
The Web
Saturday, September 10, 2011
RE: [MW:12395] SMAW ELECTRODE FOR P91 MATERIAL
Hi Jose,
This issue was raised earlier in this forum. As per my knowledge base, majority of
the SMAW electrodes for this material conforms either to AWS SFA 5.5,E-9015-B9 or
E-9016-B9 or E-9018-B9
As per industry experience greater success has been observed with the -15 type
electrode coatings than other varieties. Primary factors influencing this success are
enhanced compositional control of tramp elements and better control of bead shape
plus interbead tempering during welding.When using iron powder additions,
deleterious tramp elements or elevated phosphorous can come in the weld.Thus
E-9018-B9, electrodes require very precise control (on the purity of Iron powder) to
control the level of tramp elements/residuals in the weld. Chances are there that
impact values of E-9018-B9 electrodes could be less technical requirements are
specified up front and agreed upon by the manufacturers and the end users.
One point of interest would be specifying in the purchasing spec, , X-bar or X-Factor
< 15, where ,X-bar = (10P + 5Sb + 4Sn + As) /100, where P, Sb, Sn, and As in ppm.
X-Factor is a measure of temper embritltement, which highly influenced by the
above tramp elements.
The attached data sheets of Kobelco and Metrode are in E-9015/9016 category
,while Bohler Thyssen have both -9015/9018-B9 type. The product of ADOR is in E9018-B9 category.Many fabricators would prefer 9018-B9, possibly due to better
deposition efficiency. However there could be problems as mentioned above.
If impact test of weld metal is not a strict design requirements then E-9018-B9 may
be used (provided it's purchased from known manufacturers, and the brand is
proven, not just by AWS Equivalence). Having said that impact properties are not a
requirement of ASME Sec-I or B-31.1 codes on P-91 steel but its advisable to have
welding consumable procured with good notch toughness to have balance of all
types of mechanical properties and better service induced creep life, and
creep/fatigue life (where thermal cycling is experienced).
Otherwise E-9015/9016-B9 should be the default choice.
I hope this would provide enough information on the above topic.

Thanks.
Pradip Goswami,P.Eng.IWE
Welding & Metallurgical Specialist & Consultant
Ontario,Canada.
Email-pgoswami@sympatico.ca,
pgoswami@quickclic.net
N.B:- If you get hold of API-938B- Use of 9Cr-1Mo-V (Grade 91) Steel in the Oil
Refining Industry, read that at your leisure. Though this document is not mandatory
for powerindustries , but many good design principles on P-91 are in this document.
Thanks.
-----Original Message----From: materials-welding@googlegroups.com [mailto:materialswelding@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of naveen_sohal@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 3:58 AM
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MW:12356] SMAW ELECTRODE FOR P91 MATERIAL
Dear Friend,
E9018-B9 and E9016-B9 generally used for tubes or thin pipe welding without root
run of GTAW.
Creep rupture data really makes the difference in addition to Mn+Ni %.
I think only 9015-B9 have the creep rupture data. You can use Thermanit Chromo 9V
of Bohler Germany make.
Regards
Sent from BlackBerry on Airtel
-----Original Message----From: JOSE SEBASTIAN <joseseban@gmail.com>
Sender: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 00:41:27
To: Materials & Welding<materials-welding@googlegroups.com>
Reply-To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Subject: [MW:12354] SMAW ELECTRODE FOR P91 MATERIAL
Dear Group Members,

I am having 3 approved WPSs for P91 material.These 3 WPS are using 3 different
electrodes.
1)9018-B9 -Iron powder & Low hydrogen potassium coated
2)9016-B9 -Low hydrogen potassium flux coated
3)9015-B9 - Low hydrogen sodium flux coated
My doubts are
1)How we can justify which electrode is better for my use?
2)Any where in code it mentioned the suitable flux coating for electrode?

Regards
Jose Sebastian
+919687660525
-To post to this group, send email to materials-welding@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to materialswelding+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
For more options, visit this group's bolg at http://materials-welding.blogspot.com/
The views expressed/exchnaged in this group are members personel views and
meant for educational purposes only, Users must take their own decisions w.r.t.
applicable code/standard/contract documents.
-To post to this group, send email to materials-welding@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to materialswelding+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
For more options, visit this group's bolg at http://materials-welding.blogspot.com/
The views expressed/exchnaged in this group are members personel views and
meant for educational purposes only, Users must take their own decisions w.r.t.
applicable code/standard/contract documents.
Posted by BR at 8:55 AM
Email ThisBlogThis!Share to TwitterShare to Facebook
No comments:
Post a Comment

Newer Post Older Post Home

Subscribe to: Post Comments (Atom)
Blog Archive
2006 (1)
February (1)
2007 (94)
September (72)
October (13)
November (5)
December (4)
2008 (983)
January (25)
February (89)
March (69)
April (54)
May (59)
June (70)
July (107)
August (93)
September (100)
October (87)
November (105)
December (125)
2009 (2497)
January (59)
February (184)

 March (181)
April (217)
May (207)
June (312)
July (253)
August (239)
September (297)
October (182)
November (199)
December (167)
2010 (5182)
January (225)
February (234)
March (255)
April (385)
May (327)
June (488)
July (462)
August (588)
September (479)
October (667)
November (474)
December (598)
2011 (4336)
January (569)
February (449)

 March (489)
April (347)
May (327)
June (326)
July (464)
August (316)
September (263)
Re: [MW:12328] Code Explanations
[MW:12330] process of AR-N & TMCP steel plates
[MW:12331] Production test coupon requirement
[MW:12332] ASME Section IX Welder Qualification
[MW:12333] How many cycle permitted in chart as pe...
[MW:12334] Under water welding consumables
[MW:12335] Boiler Super heater U TUbe Bend_Kink_Re...
Re: [MW:12438] Query / Machining of Sch 40 to Sch ...
[MW:12338] Re: If Dia of Filler Rod changes what w...
[MW:12336] FW: 12335] Boiler Super heater U TUbe B...
[MW:12337] RE: 12330] process of AR-N & TMCP steel...
Re: [MW:12339] Prequalified WPS
Re: [MW:12340] NDE Personnel Qualification As per ...
Re: [MW:12341] ASME Section IX Welder Qualificatio...
[MW:12342] Reinforcement height griding
[MW:12343] FW: ASME Section IX Course Series,2011 ...
Re: [MW:12344] Boiler Super heater U TUbe Bend_Kin...
[MW:12345] Base material equivalent book
Re: [MW:12346] Production test coupon requirement

[MW:12347] 3.2 Certification Query / EN 10204:2004...

Re: [MW:12349] Base material equivalent book
Re: [MW:12348] FW: ASME Section IX Course Series,2...
Re: [MW:12350] Base material equivalent book
[MW:12351] Alloy 625 Overlay By GMAW (Short Circui...
Re: [MW:12352] 3.2 Certification Query / EN 10204:...
RE: [MW:12353] 3.2 Certification Query / EN 10204:...
[MW:12354] SMAW ELECTRODE FOR P91 MATERIAL
Re: [MW:12355] 3.2 Certification Query / EN 10204:...
Re: [MW:12356] SMAW ELECTRODE FOR P91 MATERIAL
Re: [MW:12357] Alloy 625 Overlay By GMAW (Short Ci...
Re: [MW:12358] 3.2 Certification Query / EN 10204:...
Re: [MW:12359] 3.2 Certification Query / EN 10204:...
[MW:12360] WPS based on contractor PQR
Re: [MW:12362] WPS based on contractor PQR
Re: [MW:12363] WPS based on contractor PQR
Re: [MW:12364] Alloy 625 Overlay By GMAW (Short Ci...
Re: [MW:12365] WPS based on contractor PQR
[MW:12366] Machining 2" weld neck RJ flange to get...
Re: [MW:12367] 3.2 Certification Query / EN 10204:...
[MW:12368] Manual UT requirement on intersection j...
[MW:12361] RE: WPS based on contractor PQR
Re: [MW:12369] WPS based on contractor PQR
[MW:12370] Hardness in Tube to tube sheet welding
[MW:12371] Welder Qualification for MIG welding(Sh...
Re: [MW:12373] Welder Qualification for MIG weldin...

[MW:12372] RE: 12370] Hardness in Tube to tube she...

[MW:12375] ASME Code Books
Re: [MW:12376] SMAW ELECTRODE FOR P91 MATERIAL
Re: [MW:12377] WPS based on contractor PQR
RE: [MW:12378] Welder Qualification for MIG weldin...
Re: [MW:12379] RE: 12370] Hardness in Tube to tube...
[MW:12380] Welding Consumables and procedure for S...
[MW:12381] Re: WPS based on contractor PQR
[MW:12374] RE: 12370] Hardness in Tube to tube she...
Re: [MW:12382] RE: 12370] Hardness in Tube to tube...
[MW:12383] Distance between two butt joints in pip...
[MW:12384] acceptable criteria for ferrite percent...
Re: [MW:12385] RE: 12370] Hardness in Tube to tube...
Re: [MW:12386] ASME Code Books
[MW:12387] Measure of Sensitivity on Elliptical Jo...
Re: [MW:12388] Distance between two butt joints in...
[MW:12389] Need advise to clarrify client - Dish h...
Re: [MW:12390] Need advise to clarrify client - Di...
Re: [MW:12391] Measure of Sensitivity on Elliptica...
[MW:12392] Stress relieving & PWHT
[MW:12393] RE: 12384] acceptable criteria for ferr...
RE: [MW:12394] RE: 12370] Hardness in Tube to tube...
Re: [MW:12396] Measure of Sensitivity on Elliptica...
Re: [MW:12397] Stress relieving & PWHT
Re: [MW:12399] Distance between two butt joints in...
RE: [MW:12395] SMAW ELECTRODE FOR P91 MATERIAL

Re: [MW:12400] ASME Section IX Welder Qualificatio...

[MW:12401] effect of higher PPM/PH Value of Hydrot...
Re: [MW:12402] Measure of Sensitivity on Elliptica...
[MW:12403] Impact test requirement for JO and JR g...
[MW:12398] Engineers Day
Re: [MW:12404] Impact test requirement for JO and ...
Re: Re: [MW:12405] Distance between two butt joint...
Re: [MW:12406] Impact test requirement for JO and ...
Re: [MW:12407] Distance between two butt joints in...
Re: [MW:12408] Engineers Day
[MW:12409] radiographic exposure time calculation
Re: [MW:12410] Impact test requirement for JO and ...
Re: [MW:12411] Impact test requirement for JO and ...
Re: [MW:12412] Measure of Sensitivity on Elliptica...
Re: [MW:12413] Impact test requirement for JO and ...
Re: [MW:12414] Impact test requirement for JO and ...
Re: [MW:12415] Impact test requirement for JO and ...
Re: [MW:12416] Impact test requirement for JO and ...
Re: [MW:12416] Distance between two butt joints in...
[MW:12418] International standard / code to be ref...
[MW:12418] Multiple PQRs for one WPS
RE: [MW:12420] Impact test requirement for JO and ...
RE: [MW:12421] Distance between two butt joints in...
[MW:12422] RE: 12401] effect of higher PPM/PH Valu...
Re: [MW:12424] Impact test requirement for JO and ...
[MW:12423] RE: 12418] International standard / cod...

[MW:12425] Welder Qualification-ASME Sec IX- Clad ...

RE: [MW:12426] Impact test requirement for JO and ...
Re: [MW:12427] Engineers Day
Re: [MW:12428] Welder Qualification-ASME Sec IX- C...
[MW:12429] Interstitial strengthening of Aluminium...
Re: [MW:12431] Welder Qualification-ASME Sec IX- C...
RE: [MW:12430] Welder Qualification-ASME Sec IX- C...
RE: [MW:12432] Impact test requirement for JO and ...
Re: [MW:12433] Measure of Sensitivity on Elliptica...
Re: [MW:12434] Welder Qualification-ASME Sec IX- C...
Re: [MW:12434] Measure of Sensitivity on Elliptica...
Re: [MW:12436] Need advise to clarrify client - Di...
Re: [MW:12437] Need advise to clarrify client - Di...
Re: [MW:12439] Need advise to clarrify client - Di...
[MW:12440] Re: Difference between SB625 UNS NO8904...
Re: [MW:12441] ASME Section IX Welder Qualificatio...
[MW:12442] Requirement of Solution Annealing for S...
Re: [MW:12443] Engineers Day
[MW:12444] Computer Radiography system for RT of w...
Re: [MW:12444] ASME Section IX Welder Qualificatio...
Re: [MW:12445] ASME Section IX Welder Qualificatio...
Re: [MW:12446] Requirement of Solution Annealing f...
Re: [MW:12447] ASME Section IX Welder Qualificatio...
Re: [MW:12448] ASME Section IX Welder Qualificatio...
Re: [MW:12449] Requirement of Solution Annealing f...
[MW:12450] PWHT criteria for NACE material

[MW:12451] P-No. 15F

Re: [MW:12452] P-No. 15F
Re: [MW:12454] P-No. 15F
RE: [MW:12453] P-No. 15F, Creep-strength Enhanced ...
Re: [MW:12455] PWHT criteria for NACE material
Re: [MW:12456] Measure of Sensitivity on Elliptica...
Re: [MW:12457] PWHT criteria for NACE material
Re: [MW:12458] PWHT criteria for NACE material
Re: [MW:12459] Stress relieving & PWHT
RE: [MW:12460] Measure of Sensitivity on Elliptica...
[MW:12461] mixed feed convection coils
Re: [MW:12462] mixed feed convection coils
Re: [MW:12463] mixed feed convection coils
Re: [MW:12464] P-No. 15F
Re: [MW:12465] mixed feed convection coils
[MW:12466] Requirement and Procedure of Intermedia...
[MW:12467] Full day seminar on "Welding in Pressur...
[MW:12468] Reduce Magnetic filed a the start of we...
Re: [MW:12470] mixed feed convection coils
Re: [MW:12471] mixed feed convection coils
[MW:12469] MW:12461- mixed feed convection coils
Re: [MW:12472] Reduce Magnetic filed a the start o...
[MW:12473] Sour Service / Which Welding Process is...
Re: [MW:12475] P-No. 15F
[MW:12474] RE: 12473] Sour Service / Which Welding...
[MW:12476] Requirement of Solution Annealing for S...

[MW:12477] WELD DEFECT:-BURN THROUGH IN SAW WELDIN...

Re: [MW:12478] WELD DEFECT:-BURN THROUGH IN SAW WE...
Re: [MW:12479] WELD DEFECT:-BURN THROUGH IN SAW WE...
Re: [MW:12480] Requirement of Solution Annealing f...
[MW:12481] Heat input range for LTCS & Plate cutti...
[MW:12482] pickling and passivation for 316 L SS
Re: [MW:12483] pickling and passivation for 316 L ...
[MW:12484] Re: WELD DEFECT:-BURN THROUGH IN SAW WE...
Re: [MW:12486] WELD DEFECT:-BURN THROUGH IN SAW WE...
Re: [MW:12485] pickling and passivation for 316 L ...
Re: [MW:12487] Re: WELD DEFECT:-BURN THROUGH IN SA...
[MW:12488] Pulsing Frequency & Heat Input calculat...
[MW:12489] requirement for identification marking ...
[MW:12490] Nace MR0103 compliance
Re: [MW:12491] ASME SEC IX Code Issue
[MW:12492] Ceramic backing strips
Re: [MW:12493] ASME SEC IX Code Issue
[MW:12494] SS 316 L VESSEL HYDROTEST WATER QUALITY...
Re: [MW:12495] requirement for identification mark...
Re: [MW:12496] requirement for identification mark...
[MW:12497] Query regarding use of CS Fasteners and...
[MW:12498] RE: HYDROTEST WATER
Re: [MW:12499] requirement for identification mark...
[MW:12500] RE: 12497] Query regarding use of CS Fa...
Re: [MW:12501] Pulsing Frequency & Heat Input calc...
Re: [MW:12502] WELD DEFECT:-BURN THROUGH IN SAW WE...

Re: [MW:12503] SS 316 L VESSEL HYDROTEST WATER QUA...

Re: [MW:12505] mixed feed convection coils
Re: [MW:12506] SS 316 L VESSEL HYDROTEST WATER QUA...
[MW:12504] RE: 12490] Nace MR0103 compliance
[MW:12507] Requirement of No. of Thermocouples.
Re: [MW:12508] Requirement of No. of Thermocouples...
Re: [MW:12509] Requirement of No. of Thermocouples...
RE: [MW:12510] P number grouping for IS 2062 mater...
[MW:12511] MW:12508- Requirement of No. of Thermoc...
[MW:12512] PWHT temperature below tempering temper...
Re: [MW:12513] PWHT temperature below tempering te...
[MW:12514] welder qualification - aws d1.1
Re: [MW:12515] Uncontrolled heating and cooling ef...
[MW:12516] WPS Heat treatment condition
Re: [MW:12517] welder qualification - aws d1.1
Re: [MW:12518] Uncontrolled heating and cooling ef...
Re: [MW:12519] WPS Heat treatment condition
[MW:12520] PQR by E7010 4mm electrode
[MW:12522] surface imperfections observed on Shell...
Re: [MW:12521] WPS Heat treatment condition
Re: [MW:12524] PQR by E7010 4mm electrode
Re: [MW:12525] surface imperfections observed on S...
Re: [MW:12526] WPS Heat treatment condition
[MW:12523] RE: 12516] WPS Heat treatment condition...
[MW:12527] GTAW/SMAW which process is high Heat In...
[MW:12528] Re: GTAW/SMAW which process is high Hea...

[MW:12529] what is the effect after heat treatment...

Re: [MW:12530] GTAW/SMAW which process is high Hea...
[MW:12531] spot radiography as per ASME B 31.3
Re: [MW:12532] PQR by E7010 4mm electrode
Re: [MW:12533] spot radiography as per ASME B 31.3...
Re: [MW:12534] Uncontrolled heating and cooling ef...
[MW:12535] Re: surface imperfections observed on S...
RE: [MW:12536] spot radiography as per ASME B 31.3...
Re: [MW:12537] spot radiography as per ASME B 31.3...
Re: [MW:12537] spot radiography as per ASME B 31.3...
Re: [MW:12539] RE: 12516] WPS Heat treatment condi...
[MW:12540] REF- AWS D1.1 - Two process in one tes...
Re: [MW:12541] what is the effect after heat treat...
Re: [MW:12542] pickling and passivation for 316 L ...
Re: [MW:12543] Uncontrolled heating and cooling ef...
Re: [MW:12544] Hydrotest-API 650
[MW:12545] PWHT Requirement for SA 335 P91 (or P n...
RE: [MW:12546] PWHT Requirement for SA 335 P91 (or...
[MW:12547] RE: 12545] PWHT Requirement for SA 335 ...
[MW:12548] defect on circ-seam of H2 service vesse...
[MW:12549] RE: 12548] defect on circ-seam of H2 se...
[MW:12550] Carbides Precipitates on HAZ ; 625 Over...
RE: [MW:12551] defect on circ-seam of H2 service v...
Re: [MW:12552] Uncontrolled heating and cooling ef...
[MW:12553] Avoid temper embrittlement step by step...
Re: [MW:12554] defect on circ-seam of H2 service v...

RE: [MW:12555] defect on circ-seam of H2 service v...

RE: [MW:12556] PWHT Requirement for SA 335 P91 (or...
[MW:12558] RE: 12547] RE: 12545] PWHT Requirement ...
Re: [MW:12559] defect on circ-seam of H2 service v...
Re: [MW:12560] PWHT Requirement for SA 335 P91 (or...
RE: [MW:12557] Uncontrolled heating and cooling ef...
Re: [MW:12562] Carbides Precipitates on HAZ ; 625 ...
[MW:12563] PWHT of modified P460 NL1 (1.8915) EN 1...
[MW:12561] RE: 12548] defect on circ-seam of H2 se...
[MW:12564] RE: 12563] PWHT of modified P460 NL1 (1...
[MW:12565] HARDNESS MEASUREMENT MAP
Re: [MW:12566] PWHT Requirement for SA 335 P91 (or...
[MW:12567] Tension Test Requirement for SA 283 Gr....
RE: [MW:12568] Tension Test Requirement for SA 283...
[MW:12569] RE: 12567] Tension Test Requirement for...
[MW:12570] Welding consumable for 1B Grade casting...
[MW:12571] DHT requirement of WPS
Re: [MW:12572] RE: 12567] Tension Test Requirement...
Re: [MW:12573] Tension Test Requirement for SA 283...
Re: [MW:12574] Tension Test Requirement for SA 283...
RE: [MW:12575] Tension Test Requirement for SA 283...
[MW:12576] MW: 12563- PWHT of modified P460 NL1 (1...
[MW:12577] 3.5% Nickel steel
Re: [MW:12578] 3.5% Nickel steel
RE: [MW:12581] Tension Test Requirement for SA 283...
Re: [MW:12579] 3.5% Nickel steel

Re: [MW:12580] Welding consumable for 1B Grade cas...

[MW:12583] Normalizing of dished end
RE: [MW:12582] 3.5% Nickel steel
Re: [MW:12584] 3.5% Nickel steel
Re: [MW:12585] Normalizing of dished end
[MW:12586] Need the miter angle detail from DNV co...
Re: [MW:12587] Normalizing of dished end
[MW:12588] Algerian Code Requirements
[MW:12589] Charpy Impact testing requirement for A...
[MW:12590] CVN Impact test on 304L 2.77mm thick B3...
October (214)
November (316)
December (256)
2012 (1568)
January (215)
February (207)
March (237)
April (132)
May (269)
June (292)
July (216)

Pages
Home

Search This Blog

Top of Form
Search

powered by
Bottom of Form

Followers

Simple template. Powered by Blogger.