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Purav
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#3133611/13/09 02:07AM

DearRay/Mandeep,

Ihavestackedexchanger,ihavemodeledanexchangerin
PVElite,butasitisstackedone,ihavetoconsiderloads
duetouppershellwhileperformingsaddleanalysis.

Atpresent,IhavetodoitmanuallybutCanitbe
automizedinPVEliteitself,viasomecheckboxandsome
additionalinputslikeweight,overalldimensionsofthe
othershelletc?
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Re:SaddleSupportAnalysisfor
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#3134611/13/09 07:42AM

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HiPurav

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Thebestwayoftreatingstackedvesselsistodesign

thetopvesselfirst.Youwillthengetalltheweights
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Re:SaddleSupportAnalysisfor
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AssuggestedbyRayyouhavetoappliedweights,

momentsetcoftopexchangeronbottomexchangeras
separatemodelinPVElite.PVEliteatpresentlydoesnot
havestakedunitmodelingfacility.Sameisavailableinone
otherpresentsoftwarebutitisreallyverycostly.

Mukesh

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Re:SaddleSupportAnalysisfor
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tahirq

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#3567305/26/10 12:48PM

Dearuser,

ratherthendependinguponsoftwaressophistication&
spillingmoremoneyitsbettertousecertainhumanefforts
&transferloads.

Whatsaymukesh.

&Mukesh,IguessYouwherespeakingabout
MICROPROTOL&beleivemethissoftwareisso
sophisticatedthatthereisverylittleHumaneffortsare
required.
Justfewinputs&yourdesignisreadytoreview.
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Re:SaddleSupportAnalysisfor
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#3567905/26/10 01:36PM

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HelloTahir

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ThisforumisreallydedicatedtoIntergraph(Coade)

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Re:SaddleSupportAnalysisfor
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HiRay/Mandeep,

Howcanweanalysethestrengthoftheintermediate
saddlesupportbetweenthestackedexchangers(theone
seatedonthetopsurfaceofthebottomexchanger)?

Thanks.
Beh

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Re:SaddleSupportAnalysisfor
StackedHeatExchangers [Re:bsc00709]

#4155603/09/11 01:23PM

Federico_Gaston

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RecentlyIhadtofacestackedexchangersandIdid
Registered:03/01/11
thefollowing:
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Loc:Argentina
AsRaysuggestedabove,Idesignedtheupper
exchanger,thenIcreatedacopyofthePVElitefile
andbegantodesignthebottomexchanger
(fortunately,bothexchangersweresimilar).

Then,Iputtwomassesinthesameplacewhere
wereplacedthesaddlesofthebottomexchangers.
TheesetwomasseshadthevalueinKgofthe
reactionoftheupperexchanger.Youmustread
theesevaluesfromteh"HorizontalVesselAnalysis"
inoperation,atthebeginingofeachsaddle
calculation,youwillreadthefollowing,asexample:

LoadCombinationResultsforQ+WindorSeismic
[Q]:
=SaddleLoad+Max(Fwl,Fwt,Fsl,Fst)
=4732+Max(1675,1688,1675,0)
=6421.1Kgf

Themassshouldhaveavalueof4732Kgf(thatwill
betheverticalforce).Thenreadthisvalueinthe
othersaddle!

Ifyouhaveagreatwindload,youshouldputtwo
horizontaltransversalforceinthesameplaceofthe
bottomexchangersaddles(plusthewindduetothe
bottomexchangeritselfthatwillbeautomatically
calculated)

ItdemanssomemoretimebutinthiswayIhad
goodresultsandthepurcharseroftheequipment
aprovvedmethecalculation.Ididntshowanything
abouttheintermediatepartbetweenthebaseplate
oftheupperexchangerandthebottomexchangerin
thatcalculation.

WARNING!somepurcharsersspecifytotakeinto
accountthehorizontalforceofthebundleduring
extractionasaforceof100%theweightofthe
bundle.Youcan'tputamomentinanhorizontal
vessel,sothisforcexcentertocenterdistance
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beteweenexchangersshallbeconvertedtotwo
verticalloads(oneupwardsandtheother
downwards)actinginthesaddles,wichcanmake
thebaseplatetohaveahigherthickness!!

Thereweresomethingpeculiarinthedesignof
theesesaddles.Thecircunferentialwearplatewasin
contactandweldedwiththebottomexchangershell
onlyinthe120bottomside.Sotheloadofthe
upperexchangerweretransferedtothebaseonlyby
thesaddleandnotbythebottomexchanger.Inthe
upperside,thewearplatewasseparatedfromthe
shell5mm.

It`sapitythatIcan`tpasteanimagetomakeme
understand.

Goodbye!

EditedbyFederico_Gaston(03/09/11 01:37PM)
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