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February9,2001,13:44

PeterMoss
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HowcanImodeltheregressionofacombustingsolidfuel?Anyadvicegladly
recieved.

February9,2001,19:49

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InFluentthisisnoteasyoutofthebox.
Assummingyou'rehappywithasteadystatesolution,theeasiestwayisprobably
touseFluent5.xandwriteaudftocalculatetheconsumptionofagasspeciesata
wallduetothehetrogeneousreactionthere.Youwouldneedtowriteseveral
sourceudfsoneforeachgasphaseparticpatinginthereactionandoneforthe
energyrelease/consumption.Youcouldapplytheseudfsatawallwhereyour
solidis,ormaybeevenataporousboundarysothatyoumightalsohaveflow
acrossthesolidinterfacegiventhatsolidisreallyaporousmediumduring
reaction.
Fromthereactionratesyoucandeterminethesolidconsumtipnrateandhence
steadystateinterfacerecession.
Ifyouwanttomodeltransientbehaviour,theevolutionofthesolidovertime,
thingsgetmorecomplicated.Itspossibletodothisinboth4.5and5.xifyou
assumeageneralisedreactingporousmediumandarepreparedtowriteafair
amountofcode.Ihavedevelopedcodesforthisaspartofmyresearchandits
beenafairlylargeheadache.Ifyougothisrouteexpecttospendseveralormore
monthswritingcode(infactI'vespentabout12monthslookingatvariousmodels
in4.5and5.x!)andintegratingitintofluent.ItsprobablyeasiesttodoinFluent
4.5,sincethemultiphasecapabilityalreadyexits,butitsnotstraightforwardandof
coursethenyouarestuckwithastructuredgridandpoorparallelperformance.On
theotherhand,inFluent5.xwhichiswhatInowuse,youneedtosolvelotsof

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additionalscalartransporteqnstomodelthesolidphaseandwhiletheudf
documentationisquitegood,itstilltakesalongtimetogetthingsworking...
SotherearetheoptionsIthinkthisisaverychallengingareaatthemoment.
Andverylittleworkhasbeendonein2dand3dwiththesetypesofmodels.
Interestingly,in2d/3dmodelsyoucancapturethe'fingering'phenomenaatthe
reactionfrontwherethechemicalreactionhasaselfenforcingrolesomething
akinto'fingering'inimmisibleviscousfluids.Thisisaphenomenawhichyoucan't
modelin1Dandforwhichveryfewnumericalmodels/resultshavebeen
published.
Regards
Greg

February11,2001,14:29

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Greg,
Thanksfortheinfo.Yes,Iamhappywithasteadystatesolutionandhavereadup
abitonusingUDF's.IsawyourUDFintheforum(udf_scalar_dos.c)and
wonderedhowIcouldmodifyitforthecombustionofPMMAwithoxygen?You
stateinthecodethatitcanbeusedfor2d/3d.Itmaybeasillyquestionbutdoes
thatinclude2daxisymmetricswirl?
Peter

February11,2001,21:56

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Withoutlookingatthecode,probablytheonlythingyouneedtomodifyisany
referencetoC_VOLUMEmacrostheyshouldbeC_VOLUME_2Dforaxisymmetric
problemsotherwiseshouldbeok.
That'sareallyearlyversionofsomemacrosI'vedevelopedthoughanditsfora
twophaseEulerianEuleriantypemodel.ItmightbesuitableinthiscaseIthink
you'llneedtoaddsomereactionratecalculationsandspeciessources.
Greg

February12,2001,10:31

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Couldyoutellmehowyourcombustiomhappen?

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HiGreg,
Thankforyourinformation.Itotallyagreewithyouregardingthisaspectof
modellingthishasalwaysbeenachallengingonetomeaswell...
PeterMossmentionedinthisforumaboutsomeofthemacrosyoudevelopedfor
thistypeofproblem.Ihavebeenlookingforitallovertheforumandtrytoseeif
thiscanhelpmesolvesomeofmypresentprobleminmodellingmyunderfeed
stoker.
Ihopeyouwontmindifyoucantellmewhattopicinthisforumwhereyouposted
thatUDF.
Regards,Stanley

October12,2013,23:42

kookguy
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Justwonderingsincethisthreadhadbeensolong,arethereanydevelopmentfor
3Dsolidfuelregressionraterecently?(especiallyinFluent)
Ijuststartedmythesisontheeffectofswirlflow(inhybridrocketengines),andI
amverynewinthisresearcharea.
Thankyouverymuch.

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HelloGreg
I'mtryingtomodelsolidfuelcombustioninCFXaspartmyofBEProject&there
isverylessinformationaboutthisoutthere.
CanyoutellmemoreaboutwritingUDForanytrustedbook/websitewhereIcan
findtheRelativematerial?
I'musingANSYS16.2
ThanksinAdvance
Quote:

OriginallyPostedbyGregPerkins
96061
InFluentthisisnoteasyoutofthebox.
Assummingyou'rehappywithasteadystatesolution,theeasiestwayis
probablytouseFluent5.xandwriteaudftocalculatetheconsumptionof
agasspeciesatawallduetothehetrogeneousreactionthere.Youwould
needtowriteseveralsourceudfsoneforeachgasphaseparticpatingin
thereactionandonefortheenergyrelease/consumption.Youcouldapply
theseudfsatawallwhereyoursolidis,ormaybeevenataporous
boundarysothatyoumightalsohaveflowacrossthesolidinterface
giventhatsolidisreallyaporousmediumduringreaction.
Fromthereactionratesyoucandeterminethesolidconsumtipnrateand
hencesteadystateinterfacerecession.
Ifyouwanttomodeltransientbehaviour,theevolutionofthesolidover
time,thingsgetmorecomplicated.Itspossibletodothisinboth4.5and
5.xifyouassumeageneralisedreactingporousmediumandareprepared
towriteafairamountofcode.Ihavedevelopedcodesforthisaspartof
myresearchanditsbeenafairlylargeheadache.Ifyougothisroute
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expecttospendseveralormoremonthswritingcode(infactI'vespent
about12monthslookingatvariousmodelsin4.5and5.x!)andintegrating
itintofluent.ItsprobablyeasiesttodoinFluent4.5,sincethemultiphase
capabilityalreadyexits,butitsnotstraightforwardandofcoursethenyou
arestuckwithastructuredgridandpoorparallelperformance.Onthe
otherhand,inFluent5.xwhichiswhatInowuse,youneedtosolvelotsof
additionalscalartransporteqnstomodelthesolidphaseandwhilethe
udfdocumentationisquitegood,itstilltakesalongtimetogetthings
working...
SotherearetheoptionsIthinkthisisaverychallengingareaatthe
moment.Andverylittleworkhasbeendonein2dand3dwiththesetypes
ofmodels.
Interestingly,in2d/3dmodelsyoucancapturethe'fingering'phenomena
atthereactionfrontwherethechemicalreactionhasaselfenforcing
rolesomethingakinto'fingering'inimmisibleviscousfluids.Thisisa
phenomenawhichyoucan'tmodelin1Dandforwhichveryfew
numericalmodels/resultshavebeenpublished.
Regards
Greg

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