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ERRATA S. Hrg.

107562

A REVIEW OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN A


DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY AND
THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY

HEARINGS
BEFORE THE

COMMITTEE ON
GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS
UNITED STATES SENATE
ONE HUNDRED SEVENTH CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION

JUNE 26 and 27, 2002

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COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS
JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN, Connecticut, Chairman
CARL LEVIN, Michigan FRED THOMPSON, Tennessee
DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii TED STEVENS, Alaska
RICHARD J. DURBIN, Illinois SUSAN M. COLLINS, Maine
ROBERT G. TORRICELLI, New Jersey GEORGE V. VOINOVICH, Ohio
MAX CLELAND, Georgia THAD COCHRAN, Mississippi
THOMAS R. CARPER, Delaware ROBERT F. BENNETT, Utah
JEAN CARNAHAN, Missouri JIM BUNNING, Kentucky
MARK DAYTON, Minnesota PETER G. FITZGERALD, Illinois
JOYCE A. RECHTSCHAFFEN, Staff Director and Counsel
SUSAN E. POPPER, Counsel
MICHAEL L. ALEXANDER, Professional Staff Member
RICHARD A. HERTLING, Minority Staff Director
WILLIAM M. OUTHIER, Minority Chief Counsel
JAYSON P. ROEHL, Minority Professional Staff Member
DARLA D. CASSELL, Chief Clerk

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CONTENTS

Opening statement: Page


Senator Lieberman ........................................................................................... 1, 61
Senator Thompson ............................................................................................ 3, 63
Senator Akaka .................................................................................................. 5, 65
Senator Collins ................................................................................................. 6, 81
Senator Cleland ................................................................................................ 7, 97
Senator Voinovich ............................................................................................. 7, 85
Senator Dayton.............................................................................................. 38, 88
Senator Durbin ................................................................................................. 41
Senator Carper ................................................................................................. 46
Senator Carnahan ............................................................................................ 65

WITNESSES

WEDNESDAY, JUNE 26, 2002


Hon. Ashton B. Carter, Co-Director, Preventive Defense Project, John F.
Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University and Assistant Sec-
retary of Defense (19931996), International Security Policy .......................... 9
Lt. Gen. Patrick M. Hughes, U.S. Army (Ret.), former Director (19961999),
Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), U.S. Department of Defense .................... 13
Jeffrey H. Smith, former General Counsel (19951996), Central Intelligence
Agency (CIA) ......................................................................................................... 16
Lt. Gen. William E. Odom, U.S. Army (Ret.), former Director (19851988),
National Security Agency (NSA) ......................................................................... 19
William B. Berger, Chief of Police, North Miami Beach, Florida and Presi-
dent, International Association of Chiefs of Police ............................................ 23

THURSDAY, JUNE 27, 2002


Hon. George J. Tenet, Director of Central Intelligence, Central Intelligence
Agency (CIA) ......................................................................................................... 67
Hon. Robert S. Mueller, III, Director, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) ... 70
Hon. William H. Webster, former Director of Central Intelligence (1987
1991) and former Director (19781987), Federal Bureau of Investigation ..... 93
Hon. Bob Graham, a U.S. Senator from the State of Florida and Chairman,
Select Committee on Intelligence, U.S. Senate ................................................. 106
Hon. Richard C. Shelby, a U.S. Senator from the State of Alabama and
Vice Chairman, Select Committee on Intelligence, U.S. Senate ...................... 109

ALPHABETICAL LIST OF WITNESSES


Berger, Chief William B.:
Testimony .......................................................................................................... 23
Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 166
Carter, Hon. Ashton B.:
Testimony .......................................................................................................... 9
Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 125
Graham, Hon. Bob:
Testimony .......................................................................................................... 106
Prepared statement with an attachment ....................................................... 191
Hughes, Lt. Gen. Patrick M.:
Testimony .......................................................................................................... 13
Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 135

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Mueller, Hon. Robert S., III:
Testimony .......................................................................................................... 70
Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 184
Odom, Lt. Gen. William E.:
Testimony .......................................................................................................... 19
Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 156
Shelby, Hon. Richard C.:
Testimony .......................................................................................................... 109
Prepared statement with an attachment ....................................................... 209
Smith, Jeffrey H.:
Testimony .......................................................................................................... 16
Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 140
Tenet, Hon. George J.:
Testimony .......................................................................................................... 67
Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 175
Webster, Hon. William H.:
Testimony .......................................................................................................... 93

ADDITIONAL MATERIAL SUBMITTED FOR THE RECORD

JUNE 26, 2002


American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), prepared statement ............................ 221
Richard J. Davis, prepared statement ................................................................... 232
Questions for the Record and responses from:
Hon. Ashton B. Carter ..................................................................................... 241
Lt. Gen. Patrick M. Hughes with an attachment .......................................... 242
Jeffrey H. Smith ............................................................................................... 256
Lt. Gen. William E. Odom ............................................................................... 259
Chief William B. Berger ................................................................................... 266

JUNE 27, 2002


FBI letter regarding search capabilities of the FBIs Automated Case Support
(ACS) System ........................................................................................................ 267
Questions for the Record and responses from:
Hon. William H. Webster ................................................................................. 270
Hon. George J. Tenet ....................................................................................... 273
Hon. Richard C. Shelby .................................................................................... 278
Hon. Robert S. Mueller, III .............................................................................. 282

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[Errata]
The enclosed responses to questions for the record submitted by
the Honorable Robert S. Mueller, III, Director, Federal Bureau of
Investigation, were not included in the original transcript of this
hearing. This designation will print as pages 282293.

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