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2 Two-way example
A more common variation of this thought experiment is
to send back the signal to the sender (a similar one was
given by David Bohm[7] ). Suppose Alice (A) is on a
spacecraft moving away from the Earth in the positive
x-direction with a speed v , and she wants to commu-
nicate with Bob (B) back home. Assume both of them
have a device that is capable of transmitting and receiv-
ing faster-than-light signals at a speed of a c with a > 1
. Alice uses this device to send a message to Bob, who
sends a reply back. Let us choose the origin of the co-
ordinates of Bobs reference frame, S , to coincide with
This was illustrated in 1911 by Paul Ehrenfest using a Minkowski
the reception of Alices message to him. If Bob immedi-
diagram. Signals are sent in frame B1 into the opposite directions ately sends a message back to Alice, then in his rest frame
OP and ON with a velocity approaching innity. Here, event the coordinates of the reply signal (in natural units so that
O happens before N. However, in another frame B2, event N c=1) are given by:
happens before O.[6]
Tolman used the following variation of Einsteins thought (t, x) = (t, at)
experiment:[1][4] Imagine a distance with endpoints A and
B . Let a signal be sent from A propagating with velocity To nd out when the reply is received by Alice, we per-
a towards B. All of this is measured in an inertial frame form a Lorentz transformation to Alices frame S moving
where the endpoints are at rest. The arrival at B is given in the positive x-direction with velocity v with respect to
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2 3 NUMERICAL EXAMPLE WITH TWO-WAY COMMUNICATION
the Earth. In this frame Alice is at rest at position x = L meaning that this is the moment the signal catches up with
, where L is the distance that the signal Alice sent to Earth Bob. So, in her frame Bob receives Alices message at x
traversed in her rest frame. The coordinates of the reply = 360, t = 450. Due to the eects of time dilation, in her
signal are given by: frame Bob is aging more slowly than she is by a factor of
1
= 1 (v/c)2 , in this case 0.6, so Bobs clock only
shows that 0.6450 = 270 days have elapsed when he re-
t = (1 av) t ceives the message, meaning that in his frame he receives
it at x = 0, t = 270.
x = (a v) t When Bob receives Alices message, he immediately uses
The reply is received by Alice when x = L . This means his own tachyon transmitter to send a message back to
L
that t = (av) and thus: Alice saying Don't eat the shrimp!" 135 days later in his
frame, at t = 270 + 135 = 405, he calculates that since the
tachyon signal has been traveling away from him at 2.4c
1 av in the x direction for 135 days, it should now be at po-
t = L
av sition x = 2.4135 = 324 light-days in his frame, and
since Alice has been traveling at 0.8c in the x direction
Since the message Alice sent to Bob took a time of La to for 405 days, she should now be at position x = 0.8405
reach him, the message she receives back from him will = 324 light-days as well. So, in his frame Alice receives
reach her at time: his reply at x = 324, t = 405. Time dilation for inertial
observers is symmetrical, so in Bobs frame Alice is ag-
( ) ing more slowly than he is, by the same factor of 0.6, so
L 1 1 av Alices clock should only show that 0.6405 = 243 days
T = +t = + L
a a av have elapsed when she receives his reply. This means that
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she receives a message from Bob saying Don't eat the
later than she sent her message. However, if v > 1+a 2 shrimp!" only 243 days after she passed Bob, while she
then T < 0 and Alice will receive the message back from wasn't supposed to send the message saying Ugh, I just
Bob before she sends her message to him in the rst place. ate some bad shrimp until 300 days elapsed since she
passed Bob, so Bobs reply constitutes a warning about
her own future.
3 Numerical example with two-way These numbers can be double-checked using the Lorentz
communication transformation. The Lorentz transformation says that if
we know the coordinates x, t of some event in Alices
As an example, imagine that Alice and Bob are aboard frame, the same event must have the following x, t co-
spaceships moving inertially with a relative speed of 0.8c. ordinates in Bobs frame:
At some point they pass right next to each other, and Al-
ice denes the position and time of their passing to be at ( vx )
position x = 0, time t = 0 in her frame, while Bob denes t = t 2
it to be at position x = 0 and time t = 0 in his frame (note c
that this is dierent from the convention used in the pre- x = (x vt)
vious section, where the origin of the coordinates was the
Where v is Bobs speed along the x-axis in Alices frame,
event of Bob receiving a tachyon signal from Alice). In
c is the speed of light (we are using units of days for time
Alices frame she remains at rest at position x = 0, while
and light-days for distance, so in these units c = 1), and
Bob is moving in the positive x direction at 0.8c; in Bobs
= 1 2 is the Lorentz factor. In this case v=0.8c,
frame he remains at rest at position x = 0, and Alice is 1(v/c)
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moving in the negative x direction at 0.8c. Each one also and = 0.6 . In Alices frame, the event of Alice send-
has a tachyon transmitter aboard their ship, which sends ing the message happens at x = 0, t = 300, and the event
out signals that move at 2.4c in the ships own frame. of Bob receiving Alices message happens at x = 360, t
When Alices clock shows that 300 days have elapsed = 450. Using the Lorentz transformation, we nd that
since she passed next to Bob (t = 300 days in her frame), in Bobs frame the event of Alice sending the message
she uses the tachyon transmitter to send a message to Bob, happens at position x = (1/0.6)(0 0.8300) = 400
saying Ugh, I just ate some bad shrimp. At t = 450 days light-days, and time t = (1/0.6)(300 0.80) = 500
in Alices frame, she calculates that since the tachyon sig- days. Likewise, in Bobs frame the event of Bob receiv-
nal has been traveling away from her at 2.4c for 150 days, ing Alices message happens at position x = (1/0.6)(360
it should now be at position x = 2.4150 = 360 light- 0.8450) = 0 light-days, and time t = (1/0.6)(450
days in her frame, and since Bob has been traveling away 0.8360) = 270 days, which are the same coordinates for
from her at 0.8c for 450 days, he should now be at po- Bobs frame that were found in the earlier paragraph.
sition x = 0.8450 = 360 light-days in her frame as well, Comparing the coordinates in each frame, we see that in
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