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[] to/r/sciencesent9daysago
Yetagain.
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Pleasefixyourautomodsettings.
ThisisridiculousthatIhavetomessagethemodsalmost80%ofthetimeImakeacomment.
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[] fromshiruken [M]via/r/sciencesent9daysago
Anycommentthatexclusivelycontainsalinkisimmediatelyremovedbecauseitdoesnothingtoaddtotheongoing
conversation.Ifyouwanttolinksomething,atleasttakethetimetoexplainit.
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[] toshiruken [M]via/r/sciencesent9daysago
Dudecomeon...that'saridiculousrule/setting.Thelinkwasselfexplanatory.
SomeoneaskedforsourcesandIprovidedit.Thesemoderationsettings/decisionsaresobad.
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[] fromkerovon [M]via/r/sciencesent9daysago
Itsfairlygood,because99%ofthetime,whensomeonegivesjustasinglelinkwithoutanycontent,itistosome
formofjokeormeme.Wekeepaneyeonhowoftenfalsepositivesforthatrulecomeup,anditveryrarelyhappens.
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[] tokerovon [M]via/r/sciencesent9daysago
Ohgod...Inotonlydisagree,I'malsoextremelyskepticalaboutthatclaimsinceIONLYpostfactual,scientific
informationtothesubandupwardsof80%ofmycommentsgetautomaticallyremoved.
Youguyshavesomanyobscureandsecretrules/settingsforremovalthatyoudon'tevengivepeoplethechanceto
followthem.
InthebeginningIconsideredthe/r/sciencemoderationtobeverygoodwhenyouwereremovingjokesandother
poorquality&noncontributivecomments.ButmoreandmoreI'mseeingtonsofcompletelyterrible,unnecessary,
andsecretiveremovals.Thissubislikeatotalnightmarerightnow.

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IthinkyouneedtobeMUCHmorereliantonthethousandsofmodsyouhave,ratherthanautomodsettings.Your
automodsettingsshouldbeextremelylenientwithasmanymodsasyouhave.
Unlessyoumanuallyscrollthrougheveryautomodactioneverydayyouwillmissthevastmajorityoffalsepositives
sinceautomodisnotsettonotifypeople,andmostpeoplewillnotmanuallycheckeverycommenttheymake.
Also,ifyouguysdon'tknowaboutit,checkout/r/toolbox.It'sanaddonwithlotsofmodtoolswhichcouldhelp
improvethemoddinghere.
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[] fromnate [M]via/r/sciencesent9daysago
Manyofushavebeenmodsof/r/scienceforlongerthatyouhavehadanaccountonreddit.Ourruleshavebeenset
upbasedontheseyearsofexperience,andtheyaresolid.
sinceIONLYpostfactual,scientificinformationtothesub
Youmeanlikethisone:
Lmao.Can'ttellwhetheryou'reatrolloragenuineimbecile.
Wedon'tallowlinkingtoreddit.comforgoodreasons.That'snotgoingtochange,youdon'thavetounderstandit,
butyoudohavetoacceptthatisthewayitis.
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[] tonate [M]via/r/sciencesent8daysago
Sure,ifyouremovedthatcommentthat'scertainlyfine,andnotthetypeofcommentI'mreferencing,andcertainly
notoneI'dmodmailabout.
Wedon'tallowlinkingtoreddit.comforgoodreasons.That'snotgoingtochange,youdon'thavetounderstandit,
butyoudohavetoacceptthatisthewayitis.
ThisisexactlywhatI'mtalkingabout.Secretive,obscurerules/settingswithanelitistattitudeovertheuserbasewith
0intentionoftransparencyorpeerreview&opendebate.Themoddinghereseemslikeagoodparalleltotheknown
flawswithindustryrun/fundedresearch.BTW,Iwouldtypicallyincludemultiplecitationlinkswithastatementlike
thisandthenmycommentwouldbeautomaticallyfilteredoutthisisthestandard/r/scienceexperience.
Irememberyouguysputtingoutsomestickied"modtransparency"chartsomeyearsago,givingallthedetailsabout
modactionsoveraperiodoftime.Itseemslikeyou'veturnedintothecompleteoppositenow.Don'tknowwhatwent
wrongbut/r/sciencemoddingnowrepresentssomeoftheworstofreddit.
ThefactisthatI'mtryingtosharehardsciencewithpeopleandthemoderatorsof/r/sciencearepreventingthatwith
extremelydisconcertingexcuses,IE:"noredditlinks".Whenthemajorityofthetimemodresponses/explanationsdo
notresultin"ahok,thatmakessense",butinsteadresultin:https://c1.thejournal.ie/media/2013/07/facepalm8
630x420.jpgyou'redoingsomethingwrong.Whetheritbetherule/settingitselforhowit'simplemented&
promulgated(lackthereof).
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[] fromfsmpastafarian [M]via/r/sciencesent8daysago
Thesearen't"secretiverules,"they'resettingswe'veputinplacetokeepdiscussionsontopic.Ihaveyettosee
someonelinktoreddit.comandactuallyhaveitbearelevantlinkthatcontributesmeaningfullytothediscussion.This
issimilarwithourothersettingswehavetheminplacespecificallybecausetherearesofewfalsepositives,i.e.
timeswhenpeoplebreakthese"settingrules"andareactuallycontributingmeaningfully.Iftheywere,wewould
considerapprovingtheindividualcomment,andifitwereacommonproblem,wewouldchangeoursettings.
BTW,Iwouldtypicallyincludemultiplecitationlinkswithastatementlikethisandthenmycommentwouldbe
automaticallyfilteredoutthisisthestandard/r/scienceexperience.
Itwouldonlybefilteredoutifyourcommentincludedlinksandnoexplanation.It'snotthatdifficult,really.Ifyou're
providingcitations,atleastaddacoupleofwordsexplainingwhatyou'relinkingto.
Whenthemajorityofthetimemodresponses/explanationsdonotresultin"ahok,thatmakessense",butinstead
resultin:https://c1.thejournal.ie/media/2013/07/facepalm8630x420.jpgyou'redoingsomethingwrong.
Weactuallyexplaintheserulesandautomodsettingstoplentyofpeoplewhentheyaskinmodmail,andyou'rethe
onlyonewhohashadthisbigofanissuewithit.Mostpeopleareprettyunderstanding,andappreciativeofbeingtold
sothattheycansimplyformattheircommentstoavoidsimilarissuesinthefuture.Soperhapswe'renottheones
doingsomethingwronghere...
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[] tofsmpastafarian [M]via/r/sciencesent4daysago
Ihaveyettoseesomeonelinktoreddit.comandactuallyhaveitbearelevantlinkthatcontributesmeaningfully
tothediscussion.
Thelinkthatstartedthisparticularmodmaildoesn'tmeaningfullycontribute??
Thisissimilarwithourothersettingswehavetheminplacespecificallybecausetherearesofewfalsepositives,
i.e.timeswhenpeoplebreakthese"settingrules"andareactuallycontributingmeaningfully.Iftheywere,we
wouldconsiderapprovingtheindividualcomment,andifitwereacommonproblem,wewouldchangeour
settings.
I'mmoreinclinedtobelievethatyouTHINKtherearesofewfalsepositivesbecausethereisnofeedbackgivendue
thefactthatallremovalsaresecret/silent.
Weactuallyexplaintheserulesandautomodsettingstoplentyofpeoplewhentheyaskinmodmail
Exactly.It'sfrustratingtoexplainthisoverandover:
1.Thereisnonotificationgivenwhenacommentisremoved,somostpeoplehavenoideawhentheircommentis
removed.
2.Therules/settingsarenotlistedanywheresopeoplecannotabidebythembecausewehavenoideawhatthey
are.

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Soyoucan'taskaboutsomethingthatyouhavenoideahappened.Youguysarethereforesecretlyremovingcontent
duetoaplethoraofsecret,obscure,anddisconcertingreasons.
Itwouldonlybefilteredoutifyourcommentincludedlinksandnoexplanation.It'snotthatdifficult,really.If
you'reprovidingcitations,atleastaddacoupleofwordsexplainingwhatyou'relinkingto.
Ihaveincludedwordsprevioustimes.Ifindmyselfinthismodmailallthetime,becauseforsomereasonorother
mycommentsgetremovedupwardsof80%ofthetimewhenIamtryingtosharescientificinformation.Thereis
alwayssomenew,secret,obscurereasonfortheremoval,orit'safalsepositivethatgetsapprovedonceit'stoolate
foranyonetosee.
you'retheonlyonewhohashadthisbigofanissuewithit
Mostpeopleprobablyhavenoclueit'sgoingon.Ihavenoideahowlongit'sbeenhappening.Icomplainaboutitnow
thatIknowbecauseoneoftheappealsofredditusedtobehowgreatitwasfordebateandspreadinginformation,
andmoreandmoretheseterribleautomodsettingsinsubsisruiningthat.
Herearesomeexamplesofthekindoffantasticcontentthatinmyexperienceyourautomodsettingswouldremove:
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4ckbod/hundreds_of_thousands_of_leaked_emails_reveal/d1j0gyj/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Microbiome/comments/3zpd7e/experts_what_can_the_general_public_do_to_improve/cyo6t
pm/
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/435n7f/on_marijuana_hillary_clinton_sides_with_big/czfp01f/
Theautomodsettingswouldalsopreventusfromlinkingtocommentslikethose,whichisabsolutelyhorrible.
Again,youhave1500mods.Thereisnoreasontorelyonstrict,equivocal,andoftenterribleautomodsettings.
Especiallywhenthereisnofeedbackmechanismduetosilentremovals.
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[] fromp1percub [M]via/r/sciencesent4daysago
The1500modsarealsoconstantlyontheprowlforthingsthatshouldbereapprovedthatwereautomodfalse
positives.Ifwearetransparentwithourautomodsettings,thentheybecomeuselessbecausepeoplecanjustwork
aroundthem(e.g.peoplefiguredout"nigger"isinautomod,startedusing"n1gger",addedthattoautomod,they
startedusing"nggr",andsoonthereforeautomodmustconstantlyevolve,andmustremainunpublic).
Wedon'tsendnotificationstopeoplewhentheircommentsareremovedbecausetheyaskedustostop.Weabideby
the"fruitofthepoisontree"rulewhereallcommentsbelowarulebreakingonearealsoremoved.Thereforeoften
whenpeople'sconversationsarepulled,theyweregettingupwardsof50or100removalnotices,makingtheirinboxes
unusable.Similarly,notifyingusersmadeourmodmailunusablebecauseitinvitedeverypersonwhopostedarule
breakingcommenttorespondtothenotification,andtheVASTmajorityoftheremovalsarefor
jokes/trolling/slapfighting/anecdotes/offtopicdiscussion.
Yes,wedidatransparencyreportaboutayearago,andwewilllikelydoanotheronesoon.Nothingsubstantivehas
changedinourmoderationstyleinthatyear.Nothingsignificanthaschangedinautomod,andnoneofourruleshave
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changedinoverayear.
Thatistosay,ifyourcommentsarebeingremovedbecauseyouarelinkdumping,andwetellyouit'sbecauseyouare
linkdumping,stoppinglinkdumpingisthesolution,notuschangingourrulesandthebehaviorsofover1500people.
IhopeI'veclarifiedforyouabitwhywedowhatwedo,andalsothatwhileweappreciateyourfeedback,these
policiesarenotcurrentlyupfornegotiationbasedononeuser'sfrustration.Theother16,172,399peoplewhoread
anduseoursubare,forthemostpart,abletodoitwithoutincident,andourpolicieskeepourthreadsmostlyon
topicandsciencerelevant(unlikeMANYofthethreadsinr/worldnews,r/politics,etc,wherethepriceoflooser
moddingisaphenomenalaboutofgarbageaccumulating,orsubsliker/microbiomewhichistinyandsufficiently
specializedthatitwillneverbereadbythepublicatlarge).
Ithinkwearedonehere.
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[] top1percub [M]via/r/sciencesent2daysago
The1500modsarealsoconstantlyontheprowlforthingsthatshouldbereapprovedthatwereautomodfalse
positives
Thisrarelyseemstotakeplaceinmyexperience.
Ifwearetransparentwithourautomodsettings,thentheybecomeuselessbecausepeoplecanjustworkaround
them(e.g.peoplefiguredout"nigger"isinautomod,startedusing"n1gger",addedthattoautomod,theystarted
using"nggr",andsoonthereforeautomodmustconstantlyevolve,andmustremainunpublic).
Therearesomelargesubsthatmaketheirrulestransparentthatdon'thavethisproblem.Inthemessagethey
includeawarningthatifyoudothatkindofthingtoskirttherulesitresultsinaban.With1500modsthereshould
belittletroubleinbanningthefewpeoplewhostilltrytoskirttherulesafterbeingwarneditwillresultinaban.
Wedon'tsendnotificationstopeoplewhentheircommentsareremovedbecausetheyaskedustostop.
Howmany?Wasthereavote?Ineversawanythingonthis.Itismindbogglingtomethatpeoplewouldnotwantto
knowwhentheircontentwasremoved.EverythingI'veseenonredditsuggestsavotewouldresultintheopposite
request.ThistypeofmoderationisoneofthetopcomplaintsIseeonreddit.
Weabidebythe"fruitofthepoisontree"rulewhereallcommentsbelowarulebreakingonearealsoremoved.
Thereforeoftenwhenpeople'sconversationsarepulled,theyweregettingupwardsof50or100removalnotices
1personwasmaking50100commentsperday?Thatsoundsabsurd.Andifonepersonwasindeedmakingthat
manynonrulebreakingcommentsthatcontributedtothediscussion,whichwereallremoved,thenIwouldthinkthe
notificationswouldbetheleastofworries.Andiftheyweremakingrulebreakingcommentsthenthenotifications
shouldgivethemadditionalincentivetostop.
Similarly,notifyingusersmadeourmodmailunusablebecauseitinvitedeverypersonwhopostedarulebreaking
commenttorespondtothenotification,andtheVASTmajorityoftheremovalsarefor
jokes/trolling/slapfighting/anecdotes/offtopicdiscussion
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Ifranklyjustdon'tbelievethis.I'veseenmodsofothersubssaytheyimplementednotificationsanditdidn'tchange
theamountofmodmailatall.AdditionallyI'mextremelyskepticalthatnumerouspeoplewouldmodmailaboutajoke
commentbeingremovedin/r/sciencesinceit'sagainsttherules.
Onethingtomakesuretodoistocitetheruleinthenotification.Sotherewouldbenoneedforthemtomodmailto
requestwhyitwasremoved.IfitindeedhappenedthenIwouldbetthedevilisinthedetails.
Thatistosay,ifyourcommentsarebeingremovedbecauseyouarelinkdumping,andwetellyouit'sbecauseyou
arelinkdumping,stoppinglinkdumpingisthesolution
Yousaythingslikethiswithoutactuallyaddressingthedetails.Ifyou'rereferringtothenumerousexamplesIgavein
thismodmailofhighqualitypostswhichcontainmultiplelinksthenIwouldsincerelyhopethatopinionislimitedonly
toyou,andthattheothermodsherecanoutvoteit,becauseIfindtheseopinionstobeextremelydisconcerting.
Asareminder,theserulespreventme(andhavedonesointhepastnumeroustimes)fromincludingthefollowing
information/textinanycomment:
/r/Microbiome
https://www.reddit.com/r/Microbiome/wiki/indexoranyspecificsubcategoryinit.
Anyoftheinfointhesidebar.
Andifyousincerelybelievethereisnothingvaluablefromtheseexampleswhichisbeingpreventedfrombeing
shared,thenonceagainthisismyreaction:https://c1.thejournal.ie/media/2013/07/facepalm8630x420.jpg
basedononeuser'sfrustration.Theother16,172,399peoplewhoreadanduseoursubare,forthemostpart,
abletodoitwithoutincident
AgainignoringwhatIpreviouslypointedout:thereisnonotificationgiven,thuspeoplecannotcomplainabout
somethingtheydon'tknowistakingplace.
ourpolicieskeepourthreadsmostlyontopicandsciencerelevant
IamnotarguingagainstthatresultATALL.Iamnotevenarguingfor"loosermodding"asyousay.
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Hi.I'mtheheadmodof/r/science.
We'veletyouhaveyoursay,andexplainedthingsextensively,youmaynotagreewithourpositionbuttherulesaren't
goingtobechanged.
Thisdiscussionisover,donotmessageusagain.
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