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How we can find our true identity. What are the practical steps in knowing the self (nafs).how to
achieve the state of man 'arafa nafsahu faqad 'arafa Rabbahu. This particular Hadith is highly
focused, qualified for achieving and realizing closeness to Allah (S). What practical steps are
needed in order to recognize the self so that we will be able to recognize the RUBB"
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Salam. Welcome to ShiaChat. Seyyed Hossein Nasr wrote about man 'arafa nafsahu faqad 'arafa
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Offer the 51 Rakat's a day as Imam Askari explained, and see what discipline in
brings to one's life.
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On 10/30/2016 at 11:20 PM, Who_Am_I said:
How we can find our true identity. What are the practical steps in knowing the self (nafs).how to
achieve the state of man 'arafa nafsahu faqad 'arafa Rabbahu. This particular Hadith is highly
focused, qualified for achieving and realizing closeness to Allah (S). What practical steps are
needed in order to recognize the self so that we will be able to recognize the RUBB"
Salam Alaikom, we have to realize what we mean 'our true identity'! Instead of practical steps
should not one know first theoritical steps, of how to know rubb, or practical and theoritical steps
go hand in hand like root and branch. How do you explain your point after above wording.
Practical steps can firstly be learnt through a role model; a healthy human (practical learning) or
secondly written as text to than be practiced. In this second case theoritical 'the text' comes first,
it is like medicine for those that have the illness of lose of identity or better said lose of fitrah or
lose of religion.
The say here is what is theory respective practice worth for us.
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Thanks for the comprehensive reply. I know battle is very difficult. But nothing in this world is
impossible. We can not let the way due to the difficulties it contains. It is our duty to take one step
towards GOD and then let the nature do.. Shah Shams Tabriz said Fret not where the road will
take you. Instead concentrate on the first step. Thats the hardest part and thats what you are
responsible for. (Ref: 40 rules of Love By the greatest Mystic Shams"
I am not after the spiritual powers. I want to know myself , Why I am here, What was the purpose
of my Coming to this world. ...I want to know my Nufs so that I will be able to recognize my Rub.
Imam khomeini is great mystic of the way. I read his books and know that he achieved maqam-e-
fana fillah.. as described in his mystic poems.
The purpose of my question is what practical steps are taken to recognize the self. so that many
like me at 0 level can take the first step.
it is not the person which have ability to win this complex battle without the grace of Allah,and
guidance of Prophet Muhammad and his Rabbani Wariseen.
My Ultimate goal is nearness of Allah not the spiritual powers.

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Ali.Isa brother I am always confused about Allah and Rub. When ever any prophet prays he used
Rub instead of Allah.
Rabi Zidni Ilma
Rabi sharah li sadri wa yasir li amri ........
rabi ini maghlobun fantasir etc etc
in sura muzamil he said to Greatest Prophet " wazkur ismi rabiki wa tabatal ieh tabtila" (Sorry for
roman arabic) he said zikr of ur RUB.
what is the difference between Allah, Rub and Rab-Ul-Arbab or they are same. Why "Rub" is not
included in the 99 Greatest Names.
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Brother OZZY inshallah i will try to do by the grace of God (51 Rakat Prayers).
I have missed prayers too. Can i read my Qaza in stead of Nawafil ?
If i read Qaza then will it bring the same effect as of nawafil ?

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Brother OZZY inshallah i will try to do by the grace of God (51 Rakat Prayers).
I have missed prayers too. Can i read my Qaza in stead of Nawafil ?

If i read Qaza then will it bring the same effect as of nawafil ?
Just as clay needs to go through intense heat to become strong, Love can only be perfected in
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Recite 14 times salwat then 7 times Al-Hamd and then 14 times salwat. then pray for the removal
of physical and spiritual illnesses. Name the illnesses and seek for God help by the Grace of
Surah Hamd and Muhammad o Ale-Muhammad. (Ref: Ayatullah Aqeel Ul Gharavi Majlis on
Tazkiya e Nafs).
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Recite 14 times salwat then 7 times Al-Hamd and then 14 times salwat. then pray for the
removal of physical and spiritual illnesses. Name the illnesses and seek for God help by the
Grace of Surah Hamd and Muhammad o Ale-Muhammad. (Ref: Ayatullah Aqeel Ul Gharavi Majlis
on Tazkiya e Nafs).
Whatever happens in your life, no matter how troubling things might seem, do not enter the
neighbourhood of despair. Even when all doors remain closed, God will open up a new path only
for you. Be thankful! It is easy to be thankful when all is well. A Sufi is thankful not only for what
he has been given but also for all that he has been denied. (Shams Tabriz r.a)
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Bismillah Al Rahmaan Al Rahiim,
Salam aleikum brothers and sisters
I would like to advice following things practically to do:
1. Observe yourself and your actions
2. Identify all evil actions/sins you do most often in your life
3. Select first one (sin) that you do most less and tackle it, meaning try to stop it and win your
spirit back (Idea here is to tackle lesser sins so that you will have more spirit to tackle the bigger
ones)
4. Try to apply this for at least 40 days in row so that it becomes habit
Whenever you success with tackling one sin, then go to next less sin. The idea here in the end is
to be able to concentrate as much as possible on Allah (SWT) by first trying your best to stop
sinning and do good deeds. This is something that will take your lifetime, even after you have
suceeded tackling your sins. I can tell you for 1000%, that whenever you do sin you are one step
away from Allah (SWT), but when you come closer to Him (SWT) your understanding gets better
regarding Allah (SWT), you start to love Him (SWT) more and you will witness by the Will of Allah
(SWT) things you have not witnessed before.
And remember this: never give up when you fall off, meaning when you fail in your journey. You
will fail a lot in the beginning, but you become stronger every single time when you raise up.
Inshallah this will help you now for beginning :)

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ocean and truth for truth seeking hearts, powerful sword against the rebellious hearts. Guidance
for all man kind hearts. Endless treasure for believers and friends of Allah (SWT). All Praise to
Allah (SWT) and All thanks belongs to Him only.
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Thank you so much syedamir2000 inshalla i will work on it from now .
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Salam! I became interested in spirituality because I want spiritual powers. There are just too
many people who have spiritual powers and they are not pious. I have observed them for a long
time and they are evil. They are probably getting these powers through magic or satanic rituals. I
am very frustrated because they are very cruel people and these powers only make them more
dangerous. Why didn't Allah give me any powers? How am I supposed to defend myself? If
anyone knows any quick way to get these powers, please share your secret. I cannot wait for
years. Do I need to fast a lot and stay awake at night? What else can I do? I can work on it
because I have a lot of time.
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Read 6 times Sura Toheed twice a day before going to bed and when you wake up. No one can
harm you.
Imam Jafar e Sadiq (a.s.) has said, If you desire Allahs protection from your enemies, recite
Sura e Iqlas on your six sides, that is, right, left, up, down , front and back.
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walaikum salam,
Sir spiritual powers (which you think are beneficial powers) are not very difficult to acquire but it is
not beneficial to you rather they are extremely harmful . Because you do not know the will of God
and understanding of how Gods system works. So If you try to intervene with the powers you
acquire you are basically interfering in the system of "The Lord of Power".
Prophet Musa was a high ranked prophet but he did not understand the logic behind the acts of
Hazrat Khidar.
"Aey Allaah! Us ne kiya paya jis ne Tujhay khoya, aur us ne kiya khoya jis ne Tujhay pa liya. "
Hussain a.s
I am least interested in gaining spiritual powers but want to gain the nearness to Allah and
Prophet and their Wariseen.
If you got the Lord of Power you dont have to struggle for power as the powers were after you
once you reach the station.
(Based on my opinion might be right or wrong.)
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On 11/3/2016 at 0:38 AM, Who_Am_I said:
walaikum salam,
Sir spiritual powers (which you think are beneficial powers) are not very difficult to acquire but it
is not beneficial to you rather they are extremely harmful . Because you do not know the will of
God and understanding of how Gods system works. So If you try to intervene with the powers you
acquire you are basically interfering in the system of "The Lord of Power".
Prophet Musa was a high ranked prophet but he did not understand the logic behind the acts of
Hazrat Khidar.
Well Hazrat Khizr (A.S.) explained his reasons after 3 incidents. I have been seeing these
psychos and their actions for years and I never get any explanation. Hazrat Khizr left Hazrat
Musa after 3 incidents. I have been asking them: I don't want to be guided by you. Please leave
me alone, find someone else. There must be at Least one other person who 'needs guidence'.
But they are like those zombies in walking dead. I think use of magic is increasing. There are
many people who get super powers by magic or selling their souls , them they show you
'miracles' and expect you to obey them because they are Prophet or Imam. I also believe that
scme Muslims know how to get these powers but they are not sharing this knowledge with
ordinary Muslims.
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On 11/2/2016 at 6:47 PM, rkazmi33 said:
This is your first mistake when going to spiritual journey. You don't do it for sake of Allah.
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Yes of course people have powers. Do not get upset try to make strong connection with the imam
e waqt....
It is human aql which always want to do difficult challenges. Ahl e bait simplifies every thing from
protection to all other problems.
Pray 5 times at proper timing. Try to remain ba wazu trust m know one can harm you. Seek help
from imam by the prayer of imam e zaman a.s.
And believe me without a perfect spritual master you may risk your life if u do anything at your
own.
May the Allah protect you from all satanic powers
Try to focus on La hoola wala qowata ila billah
The source of power is one. There is no other power exists other then him and he is lovely :)
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Thank you so much syedamir2000 inshalla i will work on it from now .

All thanks to Allah (SWT) and you're welcome :).
The first real step is to build the intention. The intention should be solely to Allah (SWT) only and
nothing else. It should be to attain the pleasure of Allah and also getting to know Him (SWT)
better. If you have any other intention. There's no point of even starting spiritual journey if not for
sake of Allah (SWT), because those two intentions are most sincere and highest ones that person
can have during this life time journey (in this life).
Thus it will be so important to lay good foundation with building intentions.
How you will build these intentions?
First you need to know who Allah (SWT) is and how He (SWT) effects in your life every single
millisecond. These can be done first by reading the teachings of Ahlul-Bayt (AS) and then take
the information and practice it in reality. For example if Ahlul-Bayt (AS) says "The blow of Angels
is wind." then next time you go out, try to remember it and one door is opened in front of you.
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"The repentance of the prophets is for the disquiet caused to their innermost being by any
outward source of vexation,..."
-Lantern of the Path attributed to Imam As Sadiq (as)
Whatever happens in your life, no matter how troubling things might seem, do not enter the
neighbourhood of despair. Even when all doors remain closed, God will open up a new path only
for you. Be thankful! It is easy to be thankful when all is well. A Sufi is thankful not only for what
he has been given but also for all that he has been denied. (Shams Tabriz r.a)
Always being thankful and never feeling mental vexation even in times of despair is a key to
knowing yourself which in turn allows you to know Allah.
Salat al layl is also key and the silencing of the voices of the nafs is the first step in destroying
them. Expect resistance when you start the annihilation as your nafs will try to fight for its life.
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What sort of powers are you expecting? The abilities one may come by on this path are the
effects of becoming one with everything after or during the annihilation. And yes try to fast for
fourty days that was a huge boost for me.
In my opinion the true companions of my beloved Master Al Mahdi will all have already gone
through enough self annihilation to be able to teleport to him when he calls.
wasalam
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"The Mind is the matrix of all matter."
"Anybody who has been seriously engaged in scientific work of any kind realizes that over the
gates of the temple of science are written the words: Ye must have faith. It is a quality which the
scientist cannot dispense with."
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Thanks Syed you said always thankful and never feeling mental vexation even in times of
despair
I am trying for both .... i am also working on controlling desires of nafs. Pray for me... i am
struggling with salat al lail. But inshallsh Allah will help me....
Do ypu recommend some dhikr tp silence the voices of nafs or this should be done without dhikr.
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Repentence of prophet and Ahl e Bait is due to maqam e shukr i think.... Because Prophet saww
said it is impossible to thanks the Rub. Any thanks need another thanks ....
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"The repentance of the prophets is for the disquiet caused to their innermost being by any
outward source of vexation,..."
-Lantern of the Path attributed to Imam As Sadiq (as)
Always being thankful and never feeling mental vexation even in times of despair is a key to
knowing yourself which in turn allows you to know Allah.
Salat al layl is also key and the silencing of the voices of the nafs is the first step in destroying
them. Expect resistance when you start the annihilation as your nafs will try to fight for its life.
What sort of powers are you expecting? The abilities one may come by on this path are the
effects of becoming one with everything after or during the annihilation. And yes try to fast for
fourty days that was a huge boost for me.
In my opinion the true companions of my beloved Master Al Mahdi will all have already gone
through enough self annihilation to be able to teleport to him when he calls.
wasalam
Well reading other peoples' minds is a power that's very common. Before 2011, I had average
intelligence. But now it seems like everyone is smarter than me. Work has become so
complicated and everyone is able to understand complex ideas. Then they tell me I have not
enough knowledge because I don't read.
Also, there are a lot of people who have really big egos. If you don't obey them or you don't greet
them properly, they can make your life hell. It just feels like it's time for me to become someone's
slave. I have lived my life as free person and I just cannot become a slave now. People think it's
my ego, I think it's self respect and every human deserves self-respect. I would never ever want
someone to become my slave. I once read on shiachat that during raja of Imam Hussain (A.S.)
slavery will be back.
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The mind must be exercised or it becomes weaker. The beloved Ahlul Bayt (as) mention we
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Rkazmi33.
You can try to focus on the problems and also seek namaz for imam e zamana. It can provide you
divine help. Many prayers for you, it is a test. Ry to take life as video game. It has stages and
your performance is monitored. This world is nothing more then that.
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Any one want to share the Practical steps in knowing the "RUBB".
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^^^^Self psycho analysis.
Looking back through your life to anyone who's ever wronged you or anything that really upset
you and becoming at peace with it, regardless of how it was resolved. Most of us have a lot of
trauma that needs to be dealt with.
silencing the mind is also very important for those wishing to be able to feel the invisible energies.
any steps you'd like to share as well dear brother
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Ali.Isa brother I am always confused about Allah and Rub. When ever any prophet prays he
used Rub instead of Allah.
Rabi Zidni Ilma
Rabi sharah li sadri wa yasir li amri ........
rabi ini maghlobun fantasir etc etc
in sura muzamil he said to Greatest Prophet " wazkur ismi rabiki wa tabatal ieh tabtila" (Sorry
for roman arabic) he said zikr of ur RUB.
what is the difference between Allah, Rub and Rab-Ul-Arbab or they are same. Why "Rub" is
not included in the 99 Greatest Names.
Salam Alaikom, firstly excuse for delay. The holy word Allah is a name used generally for all
names of God. And Rab is only one explanation of God for us to understand otherwise all names
of God are united like Allah is Rab as much Razaq and names are not beside each other but
Razaq is Rab as much Rab is razaq.
In the book 'the land of the lovers'; "Rab, morphological means the owner and the instructor. Allah
is the possessor of all things and the instructor for the whole creation. "
You can read here about Allah:
https://www.al-islam.org/Allah-the-concept-of-god-in-islam-a-selection-yasin-al-jibouri/ninety-nine-
attributes-Allah#1-Allah
https://www.al-islam.org/articles/allahs-99-names-excerpts-text-asma-ul-husna#Allah
The holy name Rab is among the 99 names of God, maybe you have read a version of Hadith
that do not have it. Of course God has all beautiful names that exceed 99 names. And Prophets
used Rab: one answer could be to use a proper name based on what you are requesting from
God. Example if you are requesting sustenance you say razaq or to be healed al-SHAFI. Another
answer could be found below of what I have written.
We have tawhid zati; tawhid sifati; tawhid afaali and tawhid ebadi.
Tawhid in worship is most important firstly because we are in this world and have to continue our
journey. It is important also because example the Quraysh tribe believed in tawhid zati (believe in
a god) and did not consider partner with him in tawhid sifati and tawhid afaali. Their problem was
in considering partner for Allah in tawhid ebadi. The Prophet Peace upon Him and His Family had
problem with this issue and struggled to uproot it.
Today the same problem exist; the Christians, the Hindu people, they worship things beside God.
Islam says: 'There do not exist; a worshipped but God'. It is God's right to be worshipped, and
one should not do injustice upon this right.
New book: https://www.al-islam.org/knowing-god-ayatullah-ibrahim-amini/oneness-god#oneness-

worship
Rab has to do with tawhid ebadi and is very important. Example has to do with tawhid

ebadi.
'Tawhid in creation' means God created everything and tawhid ebadi that is a conclusion for all
tawhids is God sustain all things after creation and they are in vital need after creation and
dependent on God. That said God is their lord and modabber. The Prophet of Islam reached the
last stage of his spiritual journey in mihraj, ascension; ()
Why do I say tawhid ebadi is a conclusion or it is all tawhids because only through this stage one
can truly recognize God. With intellect you come to conclusion to worship God after perfection in
your thoughts and mindset. And when worshipping with knowledge and preserving it and
perfecting it only than one can reach the final destination. You can not know essence of God, or
even one name of God, or action because all is one, there is no point to talk about God.
You need to reach to a level of simplicity through purity when worshipping, because fitra is so
simple. Mostly it is because of its simplicity that humans do not get it. Truth feels difficult or
complex for those with impure souls or sick souls.
One can not reflect without reading necessary books that one should read. When doing fekr ones
knowledge increases and worth of one's worship increases because your doing more freely (al
hurr), and you do not do it because to escape hell or reach paradise. Both aquiring knowledge
and worshipping one reaches destination(amr bayn amrayn). Maybe, with destination you reach
the reachable Destination with God's help. Doing one of them does not help even if it is positive it
will turn negative because it is missing the other end. Knowledge and worshipping both good, but
if seperated both negatives.
Reference: http://www.hadith.net/post/5459/--------
--/p106/
Notes: http://www.hadith.net/post/38646/ --/

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I am not after the spiritual powers. I want to know myself , Why I am here, What was the
purpose of my Coming to this world. ...I want to know my Nufs so that I will be able to recognize
my Rub.
Imam khomeini is great mystic of the way. I read his books and know that he achieved
maqam-e-fana fillah.. as described in his mystic poems.
The purpose of my question is what practical steps are taken to recognize the self. so that
many like me at 0 level can take the first step.
Salam, describe fana FIL Allah!
What do you mean with practical steps, do you mean supplications and prayers. Practice what to
eat, and when, where, how, why and moraqabah. Practice what to read and moraqabah, on the
booklist. Practice to do wajibat list, and moraqabah. Practice how to behave, the same way one
do not eat garbage food like chips and coffee one should also not do garbage behaviour, proper
sitting, standing, going, talking, moving hand... thinking list... we can talk about these stuff more,
personally I think we can make a booklist. It is some kind of practice.
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Salam, describe fana FIL Allah!
Walaikum Salam
Thanks for your reply. Fana is in simple ( is to hand over the house to the owner of house)
A simple understanding to fana is by understanding the hadis e qudsi below
Allah the Almighty has said: Whosoever acts with enmity towards a closer servant of Mine (wali),
I will indeed declare war against him. Nothing endears My servant to Me than doing of what I
have made obligatory upon him to do. And My servant continues to draw nearer to Me with
supererogatory (nawafil)prayers so that I shall love him. When I love him, I shall be his hearing
with which he shall hear, his sight with which he shall see, his hands with which he shall hold, and
his feet with which he shall walk. And if he asks (something) of Me, I shall surely give it to him,
and if he takes refuge in Me, I shall certainly grant him it.'
so that I shall love him. When I love him, I shall be his hearing with which he shall hear, his sight
with which he shall see, his hands with which he shall hold, and his feet with which he shall walk.
And this concept is also discussed in quran too like O Muhammad you did not throw stone on
them I did
Thanks for the reply om tohid.

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What do you mean with practical steps, do you mean supplications and prayers. Practice what
to eat, and when, where, how, why and moraqabah. Practice what to read and moraqabah, on the
booklist. Practice to do wajibat list, and moraqabah.
Yes sir i have some knowledge of prayers and supplications but i do not know about muraqba. Sir
if you have knowledge in practical irfan then we can talk personally.
I want to know the azkar specific for controlling the nufs and spritual elevation.
I know as like as I know Allah is Ahad that I am guided by the Allah and the master of time a.s
Allah forgive me but sometime I am in need of some one to remove my confusions and guidance
on some issues.
On the above subjects books i read are 40 ahadith by Ruhillah Khomeni , self building by
ibraheem amini, journey to the lord of power by ibn e arabi, greater sins by ayatullah dastghaib,
maraj us saaadat by mohsin qaraity, exilir of love by rajab ali khaiyat, parwaz e ruh by hassan
abtahi, kernel of kernels by tabatabai and many many more.
But you know as sbu abdullah a.s says Ilm can not be attained by reading books it is a light given
to the person almighty want to give (sorry for poor translation)
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so that I shall love him. When I love him, I shall be his hearing with which he shall hear, his
sight with which he shall see, his hands with which he shall hold, and his feet with which he shall
walk.
And this concept is also discussed in quran too like O Muhammad you did not throw stone on
them I did
Thank you for describing it, and if what you say is fana FIL Allah than what is Baqa bil Allah, I
think this Hadith and Quran verse describe the meaning of Baqa bil Allah.

Allah forgive me but sometime I am in need of some one to remove my confusions and
guidance on some issues.
On the above subjects books i read are 40 ahadith by Ruhillah Khomeni , self building by
ibraheem amini, journey to the lord of power by ibn e arabi, greater sins by ayatullah dastghaib,
maraj us saaadat by mohsin qaraity, exilir of love by rajab ali khaiyat, parwaz e ruh by hassan
abtahi, kernel of kernels by tabatabai and many many more.
But you know as sbu abdullah a.s says Ilm can not be attained by reading books it is a light
given to the person almighty want to give (sorry for poor translation)
We all need each other, to build and help each on path of soulfulness (happiness). This forum is
not about theoritical or practical Irfan-Mysticism -, but it is about Theoritical and Practical Akhlaq,
in turn practical akhlaq leads one to more spirituality. One can also say, irfan is the inner of akhlaq
and akhlaq the outer of irfan.
It is great that you have searched and read many books, but this is not based on management
and planning, do you write and note each book you read to remember exactly which books you
have read. Many books you have wrote are good reads but, I do not recommend 40 Hadith of
Imam Khomeini Peace and Blessings upon Him, because it is a practical irfan book. And ibn
arabis book is old did you read it in farsi or english.
I like only to talk or mostly about akhlaq and not irfan, because I do not see it necessary. Irfan is
about names of God and Akhlaq is about moral virtues and vices that has to do with humans. I
recommend a general booklist, that is books included from many knowledge fields such as fiqh,
Kalam, akhlaq, irfan, history, Islamic wisdom (Islamic philosophy). And specific booklist on akhlaq.
Moraqabah, Mohasibah, Mojahida is basically clarification of the issue of moderation, sirat

mostaqim, balance. With other words management and planning means moderation which
means moraqabah, mohasibah...
Yes ilm is light given but it starts from our choice and endeavour to read and research at our own
pace and capacity without putting us to too much difficulty. In below post you can read about the
Hadith you mentioned.
Read this article: http://alhaydari.org.uk/difference-irfan-practical-gnosis1-akhlaq-ethics/

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Sir thanks for your reply.
Thank you for describing it, and if what you say is fana FIL Allah than what is Baqa bil Allah
Qurb e nawafil in that hadith qudsi is step towards fana when fana is achieved then the end result
is Baqa.
Action is fana and its reaction is baqa.
I am sorry but i did not get your logic on 40 hadith by khumeini r.a. because i think every shia of
Ali. a.s every Muhib of Ali. a.s should do combat with nufs .
Brother you are very right about my mis managed reading of books.
I will search the key word .
I read books in urdu and english.
I like the book self building too
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Qurb e nawafil in that hadith qudsi is step towards fana when fana is achieved then the end
result is Baqa.
Action is fana and its reaction is baqa.

I am sorry but i did not get your logic on 40 hadith by khumeini r.a. because i think every shia of
Ali. a.s every Muhib of Ali. a.s should do combat with nufs .
With qurb nawafil you mean mustahabat prayer or any mustahab and abstention from makroh!
And with reaction you mean God gives something, that baqa is up to God and not us. If reaction
is up to God than how should action be, with action you mean action action (limbs) or also action
on acquiring knowledge with senses! See if one thinks and try to explain it clearly, things need to
be said based on this Era and for this Era we are living. This needs to be clarified, if you continue,
we can reach good results, because everyone coming in this forum needs to know that here has
nothing to do with either teoritical or practical irfan but it is about akhlaq, that is to be moderate, or
find moderateness.
Of course if you continue struggle and be on right path more and more you get spirituality but it is
mainly because of your effort and not directly got given, it is not like having baqa, it can just get
off with failings tests or with ignorance loving a trap. So it is okay to use the word spirituality in
this sense, but when we use it many gets distracted and take it as, we mean the soft Marxism,
materialistic, atheistic, robotic meaning connected to Buddhism and yoga that is having powers.
They think this world is like marvel universe with people having weird and handicapped powers.
While we all know and recognize that many of those powers are illogical and unnecessary for
perfect human being.
Yes combat with the self, I have not mentioned no combat with the self rather I agree with combat
within self against the self. What I mean is escaping many steps and reading practical irfan book
even if it is written for general population is something unrealistic but within reality we are living.
One is the reality, the truth, to know haq, but one is to be realistic in the situation one is or many
this generation are. In which Era are we living, the environment specific for us, the world
environment and so on. How much you know your self and deal with it, you learn not to
underestimate your soul as an enemy and be more realistic in approaching it and fighting against
it. So you should know that the book is good in this condition otherwise it puts negative effect and
imprison us in itself and words, oldish words used.
Because of this am holding you to explain fana and baqa, because these words are unrealistic, if
a youth, or human being tells you describe them than you tell them the meaning and say to them
it takes 29 years to reach the end they will just say bye I do not want the path. Now we are more
than ever near the ahadith of Ahl al Bait Peace upon Them and mostly drag terms and meaning
of them from these two sources. So read the book on right time and second be after explaining it
with your own words and mindset. Describe from start to end with your understanding of human
journey without using fana and baqa. When reading old books do not be solid on examples they
give or terms, because it can change and explanations can change, see and perceive how
realistic the terms are and it's descriptions, is it intellectual.
And something else if there is fana and fana fana, and baqa, these and many terms in history
have been used for these three main stages of human journey in the world for the hereafter. As
knowledge of religion progressed more realistic terms took their place and now we are living in
end times, Akhire Zaman, and terms are solely from Holy Quran and Ahadith, based on research,
that said more fitra terms. Explanations are also easy comprehend able. So reading Islamic
books management wise will build our mind when we think on books content and use the new
words, quotes, ahadith we meet on pages of the book or record them in a notebook for us to
remember.
Now there are many good books on those languages, good luck. Ayatollah Ibrahim Amini books
on aqaed is out in al-islam, check them out. Did you read the link on difference between akhlaq
and irfan, what do you think?
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On 1/30/2017 at 11:46 AM, Ali.Isa said:
With qurb nawafil you mean mustahabat prayer or any mustahab and abstention from makroh!
And with reaction you mean God gives something, that baqa is up to God and not us.
Sir Qurb -e- Nawafil are the mustahib prayers. which are 11+2+8+8+4+1= 37. From my point of
view Baqa is not only for God. Like One can contain knowledge but infect knowledgeable (Aleem)
is Allah. My English is not good so may be i am feeling difficulty to explain.
In that book mentioned below great mystics discuss the fana and baqa billah and i think they are
at very high stations of spirituality
Light Within Me
AUTHOR(S):
Ayatullah Murtadha Mutahhari
Allamah Sayyid Muhammad Husayn at-Tabataba'i
Ayatullah Sayyid Imam Ruhallah Musawi Khomeini
PUBLISHER(S):
Ansariyan Publications - Qum
Introduction to Irfan, stages of the spiritual journey, guidance and perfection, Interpretation of
Sura al-Hamd, and the Invocation of Sha'baniyah.
4, 15 & 16. Mahw, Mahq, and Sahw

In the 'urafa's discourses, the words mahw (effacement) and sahw (sobriety) are very common.
What is meant by mahw is that the 'arif reaches such a stage that his ego becomes effaced in the
Divine Essence.
He no more perceives his own ego as others do. And if this effacement reaches such a point that
the effects of his ego are also effaced, they call this mahq (obliteration). Mahw and mahq are both
higher than the stage of ghaybah, as indicated above. Mahw and mahq mean fana' (annihilation).
Yet it is possible for an 'arif to return from the state of fana' to the state of baqa' (abiding in God).
It
does not however, mean a retrogression from a higher state; rather it means that the 'arif finds
subsistence in God. This state, loftier even than mahw and mahq, is called sahw.
In short the spiritual traveler watching his own lower self and the Divine Names and Attributes
gradually advances till ultimately he reaches the stage of total fana (self-annihilation) that is
passing away from his own perishable will and then the station of baqa (abiding in the everlasting
Will of Allah). It is at this stage that the secret of eternal life is revealed to him.
We can infer this doctrine from the Holy Qur'an also if we ponder over certain verses of it.
Think not of those who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead. Nay, they are living. With their Lord
they have provisions. (Surah Ali Imran, 3: 169).
Everything will perish save His Countenance.1 (28:88)
That which you have is wasted away, and that which is with Allah remains. (Surah an Nahl, 6:96)
I think it will clear your concept regarding fana
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My Ultimate goal is nearness of Allah not the spiritual powers.

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Rabi Zidni Ilma

Rabi sharah li sadri wa yasir li amri ........

rabi ini maghlobun fantasir etc etc

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I have missed prayers too. Can i read my Qaza in stead of Nawafil ?

If i read Qaza then will it bring the same effect as of nawafil ?

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I have missed prayers too. Can i read my Qaza in stead of Nawafil ?

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Bismillah Al Rahmaan Al Rahiim,

Salam aleikum brothers and sisters

I would like to advice following things practically to do:

1. Observe yourself and your actions

2. Identify all evil actions/sins you do most often in your life

Inshallah this will help you now for beginning :)

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Thank you so much syedamir2000 inshalla i will work on it from now .

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(Based on my opinion might be right or wrong.)

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May the Allah protect you from all satanic powers

Try to focus on La hoola wala qowata ila billah

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Thank you so much syedamir2000 inshalla i will work on it from now .

Thus it will be so important to lay good foundation with building intentions.

How you will build these intentions?

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"The Mind is the matrix of all matter."

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waiting for ur reply syed.dynasty

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