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Posts: 439 FORT HOOD, Texas — One of two civilian police officers who
brought down the Army psychiatrist accused of going on a shooting
rampage at Fort Hood said her wounds from the attack will cut
short her career as street police officer.
Sgt. Kimberly Munley said doctors have told her she needs a total
knee replacement, a surgery set for January, but that her new knee
is likely to wear out sooner if she runs or carries the 15- to 25-
pound gear pack required by her job.
"I do want to stay in law enforcement. I'm not going to be able to

do what I did before, which is basically work the street," she told
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Wilmington, N.C., television station WECT on Wednesday. "It's

going to give me another avenue to look in as far as possibly
teaching and instructing."
Fort Hood officials said Thursday that Munley, 34, who was shot in
the leg and hand, has not started the process to determine if she's
physically able to do her former job.
Munley and Sgt. Mark Todd, another civilian officer in Fort Hood's
police force, are credited with shooting Maj. Nidal Hasan to end the
Nov. 5 shooting spree on the Texas Army post, about 150 miles
southwest of Fort Worth. Todd, 42, was not injured and is already
back at work.
Hasan remains hospitalized in a San Antonio military hospital but is

paralyzed from his wounds, said his attorney John Galligan.
Hasan has been charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder

and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder. Army officials
have not said if they will seek the death penalty, but they plan an
evaluation in the next 45 days to determine his mental state that
day and whether he is competent to stand trial.
The Army Reserve unit that Hasan apparently was supposed to

deploy with plans to leave for Afghanistan as scheduled early
Friday, Fort Hood officials said Thursday. Three of the Madison,
Wis.-based combat stress unit's 40 members were killed in the
shooting. Six others who were seriously injured are not deploying.
The 467th Medical Detachment unit, which provides counseling and

other mental health services for soldiers, had arrived at Fort Hood
the day before the shooting. The U.S. Department of Defense
decided just a few days ago that the unit would deploy on schedule,
but the soldiers never wavered in their determination to go.
"They have an opportunity to be part of history, to do something

that hasn't been done before," said 1st Sgt. James McLeod, one of
the unit's leaders. "Even though we lost our fallen comrades ... `no
one is going to stop us from completing our mission' is really what
their goal is."
McLeod said all the soldiers in the unit would wear black bracelets
etched with the names of the unit's three slain members, as well as
the names of two soldiers killed from another stress combat unit.
Munley, in a posting on her blog, said she was lucky that she did
not lose her leg, where a bullet hit an artery. She said she now has
to use a wheelchair and walker, but "cannot complain one bit"
because she feels she was given a second chance at life.
"I have addressed more or less every thought and emotion about
what's happened to everyone else — the injured and the ones that

did not make it and their families," Munley told the television
station. "I can't tell you if I have any thoughts towards what he's
done to me because I've been too overwhelmed with trying to come
to terms with how everyone else has suffered through this."
Munley, who previously was in the Army, worked as a police officer

in Wrightsville Beach, N.C., from 2000-02.
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Jacoba You gotta give Munley and Todd credit, they ran to the sound of the
Senior Member gunfire, instead of cowering outside pissing themselves like that
bunch of spineless douche bags in Columbine did.
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mr.b driving around in a patrol car is hard work!!! I think she will wear
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"I do want to stay in law enforcement. I'm not
going to be able to do what I did before, which
is basically work the street," she told
Wilmington, N.C., television station WECT on
Wednesday.
"It's going to give me another avenue to look

in as far as possibly teaching and instructing."

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Sweetheart, you might not realize it yet, but you've been
handed an opportunity on a silver platter to do something truly
useful and productive with your life. Let's hope you have the

good sense to take advantage of it and do the right thing.
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another avenue to look in as far as possibly teaching

and instructing
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"teaching and instructing" probably won't be your ace in the hole--
unless, of course, you pursue a "career" teaching Bull$hitology at
any one of the Kop Kollidges....
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Officer Perez's case began nearly five years ago, but has made
its way to the courts in the form of a religious discrimination
lawsuit.
To sum up the incident, Officer Perez, a rookie cop, and another

more senior cop responded to a domestic violence incident in
Austin, TX one evening in January, 2005 that involved an
elderly couple. To make a long story short, Perez refused an
order by the senior cop to Taser the elderly man, jusifiably
Registered: Jun 2005 believing that 1) such excessive force was uncalled for under
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For refusing to obey what he considered an unlawful order,

Perez was railroaded out of his job. He has filed a religious
discrimination lawsuit against the city of Austin and Austin PD
which, as is customary of swine seeking to avoid accountability
for their crimes, tried --unsuccessfully-- to have the lawsuit
dismissed on ground of "qualified immunity."
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Ramon Perez: One Good (and brave) Cop
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Ramon Perez, a homeschooling father of four beautiful children

and a part-time lay preacher, was a rookie police officer in
Austin, Texas when he responded to a domestic violence call in
January 2005.
Location: Tucson, AZ On arriving at the address, Perez discovered that the squabble
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involved an elderly couple. The woman had been pushed down
the stairs; the alleged assailant, an elderly man in frail health,
was leaving the scene. One of Perez’s associates “lunged” at the
man, took him down, and ordered Perez to shoot the elderly
man with his Taser. Perez, fearing that the suspect wouldn’t
survive, refused to do so, choosing instead to take him into
custody with “soft-hand” tactics.
Perez believed the use of potentially lethal force in that situation

was unwarranted, unconstitutional, and illegal. It would also

have violated the “use of force” policy established by the Austin

Police Department. Nonetheless, his refusal to carry out an
illegal order would cost him his job.A few weeks after that
incident, Perez was summoned to an interview with department
psychologist Carol Logan. He was told the meeting was about
“improving communication with his superiors.” That was a lie:
He was covertly being subjected to a "fit for duty" review.
Logan concluded that Perez was unfit for duty because of the
inflexibility of his religious and moral beliefs: As a Christian,
Perez’s beliefs were an unacceptable “impairment” to
functioning as a police officer, because — as demonstrated by
his refusal to obey an order to subject a non-violent elderly
suspect to a potentially fatal Taser shock — he believes in a
moral duty beyond mere obedience to his superiors.
Given the choice of being terminated “for cause” and losing his
peace officer license, or resigning and finding work elsewhere,
Perez chose the latter. He then filed a religious discrimination
suit against the APD. His former superiors sought dismissal of
the suit based on “qualified immunity,” that magical claim that
makes official misconduct disappear. But in this instance the
incantation failed.
On September 8, the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld

a district court’s denial of the qualified immunity claim, allowing
Perez’s lawsuit to proceed. The appeals court observed that
“there [is] a genuine issue of fact as to whether Defendants
terminated Perez for his religious beliefs,” one that a jury
should decide, rather than being dismissed prior to trial.
Irrespective of the outcome of Perez’s lawsuit, two

things are quite clear:
First, although extraordinary efforts are made to retain

police who commit crimes of violence against innocent
people under color of “authority,” police who refuse
orders to commit such acts can expect summary
termination;
Second, Ramon Perez is a man of uncommon integrity,

and his example should inspire other honorable men in
law enforcement to interpose themselves between the
public and the rising tide of official lawlessness.
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Navigatr1 Certainly sounds like a case where the police union should step in.
Extended Sabatical Usually they step in when an officer is fired for brutality, DUI, or
any sort of crime to get the officer rehired on the grounds peers
weren't fired for the same thing. Was any of Officer Perez's peers
fired for disobeying an order? Probably not, and an arbitrator should
Registered: Jul 2003 rule he be rehired.
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Certainly sounds like a case where the police

union should step in. Usually they step in
when an officer is fired for brutality, DUI, or
any sort of crime to get the officer rehired on
the grounds peers weren't fired for the same
thing.

Posts: 5865
True, but Perez's case centers around his refusal to obey an
unlawful order, one in which he was being directed to exercise
gratuitous violence against a citizen in violation of not only his
own religious beliefs and conscience, but of Austin PD policy
that prohibited such violence under the specific circumstances
of the arrest.
If Perez was to succeed in his lawsuit by proving that he was

not only fully within his rights to disobey the order to taze the
elderly suspect, but indeed was properly carrying out a
moral and legal obligation to disobey it, the implications
not only for the Austin PD, but PDs around the country would be
staggering. Cops would no longer be able to hide behind the
shibboleth of "qualified immunity"for their crimes, nor would
they be able to effectively exercise the "Eichmann Defense" ("I
was only obeying orders"). For this reason the Swine Union will
certainly not support Ramon Perez in his lawsuit; in fact, I
wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that they've been filing
amicus briefs with the court on behalf of the City of Austin, or
even harrassing and threatening Perez on an unofficial level.
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Former drug officer launches 'KopBusters' TV show
By Stephen C. Webster
Published: Saturday December 6, 2008
Barry Cooper, a former Texas police officer with eight years of

Registered: Jun 2005 specialty in drug interdiction, first made waves when he
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released the film "Never Get Busted Again," a how-to guide for
evading police drug seizures.
Austin, Texas-based Cooper's latest project is not nearly so

benign, and will likely generate for the former drug warrior an
army of enemies in law enforcement.
'KopBusters' is a reality TV program that aims to sink crooked

officers.
"KopBusters rented a house in Odessa, Texas and began

growing two small Christmas trees under a grow light similar to
those used for growing marijuana," claims a release from
NeverGetBusted.com "When faced with a suspected marijuana
grow, the police usually use illegal FLIR cameras and/or lie on
the search warrant affidavit claiming they have probable cause
to raid the house. Instead of conducting a proper investigation
which usually leads to no probable cause, the Kops lie on the
affidavit claiming a confidential informant saw the plants and/or
the police could smell marijuana coming from the suspected
house."
"The trap was set and less than 24 hours later, the Odessa
narcotics unit raided the house only to find KopBuster's attorney
waiting under a system of complex gadgetry and spy cameras
that streamed online to the KopBuster's secret mobile office
nearby.
"The attorney was handcuffed and later released when eleven

KopBuster detectives arrived with the media in tow to question
the illegal raid. The police refused to give KopBusters the search
warrant affidavit which is suspected to contain the lies
regarding the probable cause.
"It is not illegal to grow plants under a light in your home but it
is illegal to lie on an affidavit and plant drugs on a citizen. This
operation was the first of its kind in the history of America.
Police sometimes have other police investigating their crimes
but the American court system has never dealt with a group of
citizens stinging the police. Will the police file charges on the
team who took down the corrupt cops? We will keep you
posted."
Cooper's "Never Get Busted Again" was a runaway success, the

sales of which serve as financial support for this most recent
project.
"The drug war is a failed policy and the legal side effects on the
families are worse than the drugs," Cooper said to the Dallas
Observer in early 2007. "I was so wrong in the things I did back
then. I ruined lives."
The 'Kop Busters' sting was the feature of a CBS 7 report, aired
Dec. 4, 2008.
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CC Rider ROFLMAO - If they want to be rogues it's time they were treated
GOT FREE SPEECH? like rogues undercover style!
This will become an instant hit - Cops Guru John Walsh will be
furious when his show takes a backseat to the other side of police
Registered: Mar 2007 work!
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way to TAKE A BITE OUT OF CRIME as McGruff would say!
Pretty sweet news story on this at the following url:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Fu...player_embedded
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Night Raven Long Overdue!

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The "Amerikan Justice System", not unlike the Bush/Cheney

Criminals, has long enjoyed a massive public misinformation
campaign to glorify the illegal / immoral activities of the nation's
"law enforcement" community. Apart from simple-minded efforts
like "CSI", "NCIS", ad nauseum, we have long been behooved to
channel-surf past abortions like "COPS"--it's long overdue that
couch potatoes everywhere be given the opportunity to view
Registered: May 2008 programming that reveals the truth about copscum.
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Hmm...let's see...how should the show's lyrics go...?
"Bad cop, crooked cop,

whatcha gonna do,
whatcha gonna do...?"
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12-31-2008 09:01 AM

liberranter Count on the "Big Four" programmers (i.e., ABC, CBS, Fox, and
Super Moderator NBC), in particular, to go to extraordinary lengths to try to kill
this program. These creatures are, after all, the quasi-official
propaganda organs of the State and will not hesitate for a
second to do the State's bidding when it comes to censoring a
program that casts agents of said State in the negative light
they deserve.
Let us hope that KopBusters finds a permanent home on a cable

channel, that it goes nation-wide, and that it becomes a smash
hit. TruTV would be a logical home channel for such a program,
but that channel is one of the most repulsively pro-cop/pro-
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Posts: 5865 home somewhere else. Would that a "Liberty channel" could
debut on cable...
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COPWATCH.com Forum - A hero, police officer going WAY above and beyond & just one hell of a Good person
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Vigilance A hero, police officer going WAY above and beyond & just one hell of a
Senior Member Good person
Ladys and gentlelmen,
Here is living proof of a police officer who truly sets an example any
one of us to hope to be able to come close to matching.
This officer clearly demonstrated her care and thoughtful

consideration of placing the needs of others abover her own.
Her action CLEARLY go far above and beyond the call of duty as
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well as reflect selfless devotion and heroism. Truly a credit to her
Location: peers and contemporaries.
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Snicker if you will but pray to God that you are never thrust into
circumstances such as this. Over 70,000 people are dead and the

toll is rising each day.
To say the behavior of the police after Hurricane Katrina or

Greensburg Kansas in comparison was shameful does not even
begin to describe the abuse of human rights and cowardice on
display.
Perhaps American law enforcement might take a few notes from

this woman and her attitude towards her countyman and women.
Officer breast-feeds quake orphans
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiap...news#cnnSTCText
From Hugh Riminton

CNN International
JIANGYOU, China (CNN) -- A Chinese policewoman is being hailed

as a hero after taking it upon herself to breast-feed several infants
who were separated from their mothers or orphaned by China's
devastating earthquake.
Police officer Jiang Xiaojuan, 29, was feeding nine babies at one
point.
Officer Jiang Xiaojuan, 29, the mother of a 6-month-old boy,

responded to the call of duty and the instincts of motherhood when
the magnitude 7.9 quake struck on May 12.
"I am breast-feeding, so I can feed babies. I didn't think of it

much," she said. "It is a mother's reaction, and a basic duty as a
police officer to help."
The death toll in the earthquake jumped Thursday to more than

51,000, and more than 29,000 are missing, according to
government figures. Thousands of children have been orphaned;
many others have mothers who simply can't feed them.
At one point, Jiang was feeding nine babies.
"Some of the moms were injured, their fathers were dead ... five of
them were orphans. They've gone away to an orphanage now," she
said. Watch the officer care for babies »
She still feeds two babies, including Zhao Lyuyang, son of a woman
who survived the quake but whose breast milk stopped flowing
because of the traumatic conditions.
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"We walked out of the mountains for a long time. I hadn't eaten in
days when I got here and my milk was not enough," said that
mother, Zhao Zong Jun. "She saved my baby. I thank her so much,
I can't express how I feel."
Liu Rong, another mother whose breast milk stopped in the trauma,
was awed by Jiang's kindness.
"I am so touched because she has her own baby, but she fed the
disaster babies first," Liu said. "If she hadn't fed my son he
wouldn't have had enough to eat."
Jiang has became a celebrity, followed by local media and

proclaimed on a newspaper front page as "China's Mother No. 1."
She's embarrassed by the fuss.
"I think what I did was normal," she said. "In a quake zone, many
people do things for others. This was a small thing, not worth
mentioning." See the quake zone »
There has been a huge outpouring of support from families who

want to adopt babies orphaned by the quake. But that process
takes time and there are mouths to feed.
Jiang misses her own son, who's being cared for through the
emergency by in-laws in another town, but she is aware of the new
connections she's made.
"I feel about these kids I fed just like my own. I have a special
feeling for them. They are babies in a disaster."
05-22-2008 05:49 PM

liberranter Sad, isn't it, that this example of heroics above and beyond the
Super Moderator call of duty took place in China, a country certainly not known
for compassion, especially among it's police agencies?
Can you picture similar heroic actions by a cop here in Amerika

today? I sure the hell can't. In fact, any cop who mimicked
Officer Jiang Xiaojuan's action would almost certainly be
criminally indicted (probably for "child abuse/molestation", just
for starters) and kicked off the force.
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05-22-2008 06:00 PM
Vigilance In my mind and as far as my memory serves me, I have yet to see
Senior Member or come across an American cop who would even make a pimple on
this heroic woman's dedicated and compasionate ass!
She is behaving much more like a Soldier, Sailor, Marine, or Airman.

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05-22-2008 06:29 PM

Cataclysm quote:
The People should not fear the
Government, the Government Originally posted by liberranter
should fear the People. In fact, any cop who mimicked Officer Jiang
Xiaojuan's action would almost certainly be
criminally indicted (probably for "child abuse/
molestation", just for starters) and kicked off the
force.
You are absolutely correct liberranter! And there is no doubt in my

mind the scum sucking Feds would be behind it.
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05-22-2008 09:34 PM
Mack I think this type of thing is more likely to occur in countries, like
Assistant Moderator China, that have a homogeneous population. She is genetically
related to the kids to a much much much much greater degree than
if they were of another race, so in a sense it is as if they were her
own.
Conversely, I can't see this happening in NYC, Brazil, Seattle, or

any other Babel. Madonna and Jolie notwithstanding - they do it
only to bolster their feelings of moral superiority over the rest of
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05-23-2008 01:10 PM
chitownbrian I have to tell you, I am kinda glad we don't have this type of
Senior Member activity going on here in Amerika. Honestly, how many of you have
ever seen a female po-leece officer that you would like to see whip
Registered: Nov 2004 out her breasts for any purpose? I have yet to see a female cop
Location: Chicago area that I would like to see whip out her breast for ANY reason! Keep
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'em under your vest baby!
Now maybe if it was a hottie Chinese cop, I could make the

exception. Does anyone have a picture of this Chinese milkmaid?
05-24-2008 07:10 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Originally posted by chitownbrian
Honestly, how many of you have ever seen a

female po-leece officer that you would like to
see whip out her breasts for any purpose?
Excellent point! If this were to have happened in Amerika today,

there would be a WHOLE bunch of unfortunate little babies
Posts: 5865 who'd have to be treated for exposure to narcotics or STDs, not
to mention undergo intense psychotherapy for emotional
trauma.
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05-25-2008 05:21 PM
chitownbrian I would really like to see a picture of the Chinese cop breast
Senior Member feeding! I didn't think Chinese women even had breasts. Every one
I ever saw was really flat chested.
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COPWATCH.com Forum - Students go on a shopping spree with local corrections officers (KY)
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Navigatr1 Students go on a shopping spree with local corrections officers (KY)

Extended Sabatical
Students go on a shopping spree with local corrections

officers
http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=7508219
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By Elizabeth Donatelli
LOUISVILLE (WAVE) -- Louisville Metro Corrections officers and

employees raised thousands of dollars for needy kids through a
silent auction and collecting money at an intersection. They spent
Monday morning shopping with the kids and preparing for their
Christmas. WAVE 3's Elizabeth Donatelli went along for the fun.

Roosevelt-Perry Elementary School took time out of class to go on a

shopping spree. The kids got new outfits, coats and -- of course --
toys.
Metro Corrections raised money to give 45 kids presents, spending

about $120 per child with a discount from Meijer's Hurstbourne
Parkway store.
The officers then paired up with the kids to do their shopping.

Donna Murrell met 10 year old Rebecca and her 5 year old sister
Destiny. Like most girls, they hit it off immediately while shopping
for pink jump suit and Barbie.
"I have kids and I wouldn't want them to be without anything

either," said Murrell. "So, I have two, but they want to look at
everything," she says referring to the sisters and laughing.
This is the third year Metro Corrections has teamed-up with Coat-A-
Kid and Roosevelt-Perry.
"They get excited about things like new Spiderman underwear and
socks and all of the things we take for granted, so the reward is
right there in knowing that you are providing a need and they are
very very grateful for what they get," said Pam Windsor with Metro
Corrections.
Metro Corrections raised $8,000 so that the kids can pick out their
favorite outfits and the hottest toys to put under the tree.
Online Reporter: Elizabeth Donatelli
Online Producer: Charles Gazaway
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Navigatr1 I applaud Louisville Metro Corrections officers for doing this around
Extended Sabatical Christmas, but they were most likely grooming the kids in order to
take advantage of them. Some of these kids might end up getting
sexually abused by these corrections officers now that they got the
kids trust.
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TechSys Just out of curiosity, and I might be reading the first post wrong.
Junior Member But where did the other $2,600 go?
Registered: Feb 2008 $120 I know they said about that much) x 45 = 5,400 - 8,000 =
Location: Jacksonville, Florida 2,600 left over. Did that go to the cops pay?
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Just curious
02-17-2008 01:25 PM

GC Marciano quote:
Copwatcher Extraordinaire
Originally posted by TechSys
where did the other $2,600 go?
It was probably used on hotel rooms in which to sexually

assault the children.

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friend2no-thug Ex Cop and wanna be in a support group

"What the government is good at is
collecting taxes, taking away your
freedoms and killing people. I wasn't sure where to post this so I figured here is as good as
place as any.
Anyway, Tuesday evening I was at my weekly support group for
victims of violent crimes and while I was listening to the guest
speaker ( an ex deputy of Whatcom County who had retired in
Registered: Jul 2007 1990 ) I was becoming more and more aggravated with the
Location: Everett Washington bimbo seated next to me.
Posts: 190 She continued making little comments to everything he said,
things like " oh yeah!" and "don't I know it!" the one that finally
set me off was " amen brother!"
I calmly and politely asked her to quiet down, that I was trying
to hear what the man has to say.
Now, except for the people who were seated directly around us
nobody would have known anything had been said to this

woman by me.
She smiled and apologized and then loudly and proudly said "
It's just that my dad, grand dad, and both brothers are in law
enforcement so I understand what he's talking about"
WRONG ANSWER!
I told her I was sorry, she asked what I was sorry for and I told
her because her family is a buncha cops.
Needless to say we had words, it was a bit of a scene and I was
not in the least bit worried about it.
Most everyone in our group knows why I am there and this
woman is new ( if she'll be back, with her and her 1980's hairdo
that I pointed out of course :D )
so I knew I had the support of my colleagues.
I made my points about why I know cops are thugs and have
zero respect for the public and she attempted to shut me up by
calling me names and telling me I'm ignorant.
To my surprise and pleasure the retired Whatcom County
sheriffs deputy " loudly and proudly" announced that he retired
because of the attitude and abuse that the cops give to the
citizens and that it was obvious to him that it was only getting
worse.
The rest of the hour was spent with him discussing the lack of
morality and common sense among cops these days and backed
them up with examples.
I felt vindicated to say the least, it seems that anyone in our
group who was holding onto the myth that the cops are the
good guys came to the realization that for the most part they
are only and just simply thugs.
Oh yeah and if your wondering what the big mouthed big haired
trailer trash woman was doing during her unwanted education,
she was sitting red faced with her arms crossed and mouth shut
until the end. Then she quietly made her departure from the
building.
I am sure she immediately got on her cell phone to her dad, but
the thought of that just made the whole experience that much
sweeter.
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01-11-2008 03:23 PM

Cybertoad Amen Brother.......

Senior Member LoL sorry I had too.
Great post, I have LE in the family and I see them step that line
and far over all the time.
Thats why when LE's in the forum, cry foul I just smirk and know,
that I know people I love that break the laws they are sworn to
protect, do you really think I am going to believe and LE I don't
know over one I do that says they break the laws, and there dept,
Registered: Nov 2007 and other agencies they know and so on.
Location: Cops Taste Just Like
Chicken
Amen Brother
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Cybertoad.
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thoughts I am useless. I must use my thoughts true. I must think
straighter with my thoughts than my enemy, who is trying to kill
me. I must out think him before he betters me. I will. Before God I
swear this creed: my thoughts and myself are defenders of my
country and my rights, we are the masters of my enemy, we are
the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace.
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01-11-2008 03:31 PM
TheJackel Nice work!

DOUGHNUT MAKER - cream Many retired cops are of the same mindset! They know how the
with that sir? deterioration of morals has affected the country and were sick of
being lumped into the same group!
Registered: Sep 2007 I know some great LE Officers, but they are without doubt a
Location: In the dumpster
minority this day and age! Many times the ones that speak up are
behind Krispy Kreme
Posts: 538 singled out and caused so much grief they either resign or they are
set up on charges that gets them fired and out of the way!
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01-11-2008 09:30 PM
friend2no-thug quote:
collecting taxes, taking away your Originally posted by TheJackel
freedoms and killing people. Nice work!
Many retired cops are of the same mindset!
They know how the deterioration of morals
has affected the country and were sick of
being lumped into the same group!
Location: Everett Washington
I know some great LE Officers, but they are
Posts: 190 without doubt a minority this day and age!
Many times the ones that speak up are singled
out and caused so much grief they either
resign or they are set up on charges that gets
them fired and out of the way!
As far as I'm concerned a cop is a cop.
But there have been two proven exceptions to the rule to which
I have been witness to.
One is a Sgt. who works in my area that I witnessed doing what

is right in a very heated situation and after talking with him I
found that he has the same opinion of his co workers as I do.
The second is a little shakey, and that is the ex cop at my
meeting.
He was very open about what he witnessed and with some of
his opinions regarding todays thugs, but who knows if he has
another agenda?
Just because someone claims one thing does not mean that it's
true. I learned that unfortunatley (through experiance) a thug
will enthusiastically tell you one thing but mean another when
his buddies are around.
So as far as the over used saying of " a few bad apples..."

I am inclined to believe that it is in fact a few good apples,
two ... maybe one.
Cops Kill
and then lie their way out of it.
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01-11-2008 09:50 PM
Liongait I wonder if this 80's retro throw-back, was actually legitimate

Unregistered / Not Logged In/ 'Trailer Park Trash'?
Probably a Cop
Or possibly a 'spotted' mole, lurking in the shadows, a distraction
for a possible turn-off to the public in attendence there?
A Co-dependent Group Meeting type VerbalStalker on Violent

Crime..?
Trailer Park Trash, Thrashing a Group Meeting..?

You'd've thought she would've at least brought alchohol for
members if not for herself?
Location: Victoria, Canada
Posts: 118
You know, there are television series, relating 'Trailer Park Living
Lifestyles'
I think might be able to append her behavior, if she is really
legitimate 'Trailer Park Trash' though... {?} 'Intruder' (Family in LE?
WTF?)
But one thing for sure...

You gotta' remember no matter how bad a person's fashion maybe,
and no-matter how little they might earn or pay in taxes, (if they
file) Or how bad, (1980's T.P.), that their hair, may appear. T.P.T.
are still contributing members to society.
(Even if their proclaimed 'Family Members' are involved in L.E.)

Imean, WTF..?!
http://www.impawards.com/intl/canada/2006/posters/
trailer_park_boys_ver3.jpg
http://www.meetin.org/files/news/12662.JPG
01-25-2008 02:33 AM

friend2no-thug My thoughts exactly! WTF???

collecting taxes, taking away your
freedoms and killing people. __________________
Registered: Jul 2007 own, or if he does, then he's someone who doesn't have the
Location: Everett Washington guts to take sides between good and evil." -- Rick Gaber
Posts: 190
01-25-2008 01:45 PM
kawzx7 All you have to do is have a cop as a neighbor. I lived next to one
Junior Member for a year and got to meet him and his buddies. Long story short,
unless you know em all, you aint part of the group. And the stories
Registered: Sep 2007 about ****ing off that they tell, their little games........**** em. I
Location: tried the "if you can't beat em, join em" thing, short of becoming
Posts: 14
one of them completely! Well, my experiment led me right back to
where I was, or maybe even more distrustful of the ****ers.
01-25-2008 03:56 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Originally posted by kawzx7
All you have to do is have a cop as a neighbor.

I lived next to one for a year and got to meet
him and his buddies. Long story short, unless
you know em all, you aint part of the group.
And the stories about ****ing off that they
tell, their little games........**** em. I tried the
"if you can't beat em, join em" thing, short of
becoming one of them completely! Well, my
experiment led me right back to where I was,
Posts: 5865 or maybe even more distrustful of the
****ers.
Believe it or not, your experience as a mere "citizen" trying to

befriend a cop and his pals was a valuable lesson learned. I
suspect that very few citizens have ever tried what you've tried,
which means that most have NO comprehension whatsoever of
just how much "above" the rest of society cops consider
themselves to be and just how deeply suspicious, if not

completely contemptuous they are of the rest of us, neighbors

or not. If more ordinary schlubs made an attempt to do what
you did, a far greater percentage of the public would hold the
same dim view of cops, gained through experience, that we
here in this forum do.
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01-25-2008 04:07 PM
Cybertoad The Moral Of This Story is,

Senior Member
That Cops do not want friends I am sorry to say you wasted your
time with them.
They don't want friends, they do not need friends and they do not
know what that word even means.
Registered: Nov 2007 Hypothetical

Location: Cops Taste Just Like OK let me ask you a question, you have a good friend a best friend
Chicken and hes thinking about cheating on his wife. Just for fun.
Posts: 127 If you are his friend for real you will call him and idiot and to do
that is just stupid. ( You would if you cared about your pals life)
OK now place a Cop in that same situation, seriously and his cop's
scum buds will not only encourage him but would cover for him.
This is what we call the honor among thief's syndrome, The moral
fiber does not count in their hearts people, that is why you were
nothing to these cops accept and interest and a play thing, a
curiosity at best for them.
If you are not one of them , then you are a waste of time to them,
they are only polite when they have to be, that nice crisp uniform

does not come along with honor, or any moral code. When they
walk up to the car and ask you for ID they are full of contempt for
you know matter how nice you are.
I am sorry you put any trust in them but hopefully you can see the
reality showing through. A cops wet dream is to have martial law
imposed. Then they do not need to even ask first anything.
You think you are violated now, wait until civil erupts here ppl then
you will see what the blue is really thinking.
They will be after every person they can abuse and manipulate.
This is how it was, and how it will always be until a rise occurs, its
what it always takes.
Cybertoad.
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Amen
01-26-2008 01:58 PM
Liongait quote:
Unregistered / Not Logged In/
Probably a Cop Originally posted by friend2no-thug
My thoughts exactly! WTF???
I'da thought I woulda' got this PM, asking me to 'Clarify' what I was
going to say, actually, second thought, I'da thought you'da been
pissed at me..?
Location: Victoria, Canada
Posts: 118
BTW... Have I been 'secretly linked' to the 'Alex Jones' site yet or is
this just pseudo-reality speaking here? ((((echos))))

02-01-2008 04:53 AM
friend2no-thug Once again... WTF.

"What the government is good at is I really could not begin to care less of what your opinion is.
collecting taxes, taking away your Pissed?
freedoms and killing people.
Nah, I don't get pissed, I just don't bother.
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COPWATCH.com Forum - KC Police Chief Refuses to Enforce "Unconstitutional" Anti-Loitering Law
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liberranter KC Police Chief Refuses to Enforce "Unconstitutional" Anti-Loitering

Super Moderator Law
http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/216891.html
Police won’t enforce panhandling law
By DAVE HELLING
The Kansas City Star
The Kansas City Police Department won’t enforce the city’s

three-month-old panhandling law, because, it contends, it
violates the Constitution.
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The law, passed in April by the departing City Council,
establishes new regulations for street artists and panhandlers.
It is aimed at reducing what one supporter called “visual blight”

in tourist areas like the Country Club Plaza and downtown.
But after meeting with legal staff, the department has decided
— without telling the council — that the law won’t pass a legal
test.
“The chief (Jim Corwin) is adamant that he isn’t going to

enforce what he believes is an unconstitutional ordinance,” said
department spokesman Capt. Rich Lockhart.
The decision angered supporters of the law, delighted

opponents — and surprised just about everyone involved.
“We’re very disappointed,” said Barry Brady of Highwoods

Properties, which owns the Plaza. “It’s something our customers
and tenants wanted. They feel panhandling detracts from the
environment we’re trying to create here.”
Lawyer Doug Bonney, however, called the ordinance

“foolishness.”
“It’s a very good thing they’re not enforcing it,” said Bonney,
who took part in discussions with police and city lawyers about
the ordinance after representing panhandlers in the past.
The new law establishes three broad definitions of panhandling:
•“Aggressive” panhandling, which is barred citywide.
•“Verbal” panhandling — asking for a handout — which is

allowed in most places, except close to streets, ATMs, and in
five entertainment zones: the Plaza, Westport, south downtown,
Zona Rosa, and 18th and Vine.
•“Passive” panhandling — using a cup or cigar box for

donations, without actually asking for cash — is allowed in the
five entertainment zones, except for areas close to shop
doorways or streets.
“It’s Rube Goldberg,” Bonney said. “The police were going to

need a tape measure to enforce it.”
But the law’s sponsor said the restrictions on panhandling close

to streets were needed to protect safety.
“I just think there’s some dangerous activity going on,

especially at these intersections,” said John Fairfield, former city
councilman. “From that standpoint something needs to be
done.”
He expressed frustration the Police Department didn’t voice its

concerns before the law passed: “They certainly had an
opportunity along the way.”
City Attorney Galen Beaufort, who said he thought the law could

pass a court challenge, said he could not recall another example

of the Police Department deciding, on its own, to not enforce a
law.
“They have a different set of concerns than the city and the
council do, and they have to think those through,” he said.
Lockhart said the department feared a court challenge if it

arrested someone for breaking the new law.
“We tried to tweak an ordinance that didn’t need to be

tweaked,” Lockhart said. “It puts us in the position of having to
solve the homelessness problem.”
Mayor Mark Funkhouser, who sits on the Board of Police

Commissioners, said he was unaware of the department’s
position, but was not angry.
“We know we need to communicate better back and forth,” he

said. “That’s not news. … Obviously, if the ordinance is
unenforceable, we need to revisit it.”
How the city would revisit the ordinance, however, is unclear.

There are no discussions under way about a revised law. Also, it
is not clear the ordinance, or anything like it, would pass the
new council.
Shortly after the law passed, several panhandlers and street

artists complained that security officers on the Plaza were
enforcing its new provisions. Brady, though, said that won’t
happen without police “backup.”
“I hope we can get the Police Department comfortable with this

new ordinance,” Brady said.
Bonney suggested the unenforceability of the new ordinance

presented a new problem: Since the council repealed the old
law before enacting the new one, panhandling might actually be
legal now almost anywhere, at any time.
Beaufort said that wasn’t the case. He said police could continue
to arrest panhandlers for “aggressive” begging, which is part of
the new law and which police have done for years.
To reach Dave Helling, call 816-234-4656 or send e-mail to

dhelling@kcstar.com.
(C) Copyright 2007. Kansas City Star
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Grigg
08-03-2007 06:03 PM
liberranter Kudos to Chief Corwin! A small, but important step in the right
Super Moderator direction.
Now comes the acid test: Will Chief Corwin and the KCPD refuse
to enforce other transparently unconstitutional laws (e.g., anti-
drug laws, asset forfeitures, and anti-smoking ordinances)?
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Grigg
08-03-2007 06:06 PM

Mack I used to be very sympathetic to panhandlers. I'd read about efforts

Assistant Moderator to restrict their activities and get outraged.
But that was before I had any experience with panhandlers. Then,
for a while, I worked in an area of town with a lot of them. I quickly
lost my sympathy.
They'd piss in the doorway, **** in the alcove, drink from morning
to night, get in very loud fights/arguments that could be heard 6
Registered: Jul 2003 floors up, block the entry to the building, etc.
Location:
Posts: 5215 And they'd do all of this day after day after day after day.
I think it's very important to realize that the Constitution was never
intended to apply to everyone. It's doubtful the founders would
have batted an eye about locking these assholes up. The vast
majority of the panhandlers I see are non-white immigrants, blacks,
or both. Stretching the Constitution to cover everyone simply
destroys it.
To my mind, this type of situation also poses a very

underappreciated problem for libertarians.
Under a libertarian regime, these types of problems would be

exponentially magnified.
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liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Originally posted by Mack
Under a libertarian regime, these types of

problems would be exponentially magnified.
Not necessarily. Under an ideal libertarian system, all property

(or 99.99 percent of it) would be privatized, unlike the present
system where "public property" or "public use property" (i.e.,
Posts: 5865 land and buildings owned by the State) accounts for an
inordinately large slice of America. Ergo, if panhandlers wanted
a place to "ply their trade" the would have to have the express
permission of the property owner(s), very few of whom would
likely be amenable to having their property co-opted by
destructive vagrants who harrass passersby.
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nealcassady234 The more I think of it...being a cop is tough

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:confused: The more I think about it...being a cop is incredibly

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difficult and it is almost some kind of a trap.
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I think it would be pretty scary to get called into situations and
have to do the right thing, the legal thing, and the safe thing. That
isn't easy.....and that is why cops get a free ride when they go bad.
I guess prosecutors and judges are saying, "the job is so stressful
and risky...that anybody could snap and become some type of
criminal."
I really couldn't do the job as well as most cops do their job. I think
I would end up being a hopeless drunk....or mean spirited....or
violent....or depressed....or paranoid....or overly cautious....or
bitter. I think this could happen to anybody especially in big cities.
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If I did somehow end up as a cop....I am sure I would be as loyal to

my ingroup as the cop's are....and I would probabely engage in the
conformity and coverups just like cops do.
If I had to walk in the cop's shoes.....I would probably be just like

they are with less aggression. I think it takes alot of courage and
guts to go into the situations they have to go into. I don't wish
them any ill will or harm. I wish the cops would relax a little bit...
but hey....that job could bring out the worse in anybody.
I only disparaged them...because I had a bad experience with them

and don't like being hounded and monitored into perpetuity.
I suspect...if someone doesn't express his hatred....it will come out
eventually in some form of uncontrolled violence.
Frankly, I think I'm alot healthier for having expressing my

contempt and hope it is only analyzed within the context of my own
personal experiences.
I don't support the drug war though. No way. I don't think

possessing organic chemicals is a crime worthy of the punishments
they throw at people.
Wouldn't it be great if it was a perfect world and there wasn't

anything to bitch about it?!
03-07-2004 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by nealcassady234
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Wouldn't it be great if it was a perfect world and
there wasn't anything to bitch about it?!
AMEN!!
03-22-2004 02:37 AM

duncan So why then are you here to whine p8g?

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whose names are exempt from public disclosure." - Washington State Court of
Appeals
A fella told me once "You can attract more flies to honey than you can to
vinegar." My response was "That maybe so, but flies are also attracted to sh*t." -
Duncan
"I am now waiting patiently, if not cheerfully, for the last bugle call, confident
that when at last my name is called, I can answer clearly: 'Here!'" - Cpl John
Wesley Minnich, C.S.A.
"Where is the Coast Guard

I keep looking each direction
For a spotlight, give me something
I need something for protection
Maybe flotsam junk will do just fine
the jetsam sunk, I'm left behind
I'm treading for my life believe me" - Blue October
04-07-2004 01:11 PM
Zero Tolerence for Cop crimes.

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:confused: Being a cop is alot like being a bouncer in a bar...

Registered: Not Yet
Location: except..."the bouncer can be called into any part of the city" and
Posts: N/A has to deal with a situation that is impossible to predict.
1) This in no way excuses illegal conduct, planting drugs or guns,

warrantless breakins, warrantless wiretaping or eavesdropping,
violating DOJ guidelines or departmental policies, menacing, simple
assault, over reacting, lying, falsifying police documents, IAD
coverups....etc.
There is no excuse for committing a criminal violation and "if Zero

Tolerence applies to tax payers...then it applies to cops with greater
scrutiny."
2) The worse thing that could happen to this country and culture is
the slow creation of a police state with no respect for the criminal
code. And that is what we have now.
A legitimate investigation with a legitimate criminal....does not

require the police to break any laws. O.J. got off partly becuase
Det. Van Atter and possibly Furhman "bolstered the case" by
planting blood evidence on the fence?! That is inexcuseable.
3) The Exclusionary Rule protecting the Fourth Amendment is the

only bulwork the citizens have left to suppress evidence illegally

obtained. Thus, ....the cops engage in "the hand off method" of
subverting state and federal eavesdropping statutes by "laundering
info through a snitch" who has access to illegally obtained tape
recordings.
4) ENTRAPMENT cannot be ignored either. You'll see entrapment

like: "sending underage teenage girls to seduce a
target"...."directing harassers, convicts, rednecks, retired cops,
idiots to go provoke the target into violence?".....you'll see
"provocation into violence by using info from a private conversation
that has no legitimate law enforcement rationale"...."sabotaging
vehicles"....."warrantless breakins that are made obvious to send a
message"....."never ending foot surveillance involving assault,
threats, and malice"...."what about seducing a guy's live in
girlfriend?".....
5) FROM my experience with "a 12 year police state harassment

campaign" I can tell you...."You're alot better off resorting to
violence to defend your rights right off the bat"....because, "the
police state is not gonna leave you alone into perpetuity." The
police state has already made up their mind that they are gonna
provoke you and harass you until all your patience and rational
reliance on "non violence" has been pushed far beyond the limit of
any reasonable human being's endurance level.
The FBI and APD can push anybody "into becoming violent" as a
form of entrapment "that they can deny" while relying upon their
patented "it's our word against your word" game.
6) Also...the harassers (convicts, thugs, ex cops, rednecks, etc.)

have the mentality of a bully...."who really doesn't want to fight or
get punched in the nose." The bully wants to intimidate and feeds
off of someone else's fear while avoiding any sort of combat or
pain. The bully feeds off of intimidation, menace and threats of
violence without exerting any energy.
7) I cannot emphasize enough that: "ONCE A FILE OR

SURVEILLANCE STARTS....YOUR LIFE AS YOU KNOW IT IS OVER.
YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO PRIVACY, QUIET ENJOYMENT,
ASSOCIATION, FREE SPEACH, EMPLOYMENT, INTERSTATE
COMMERCE....ETC....."IS GONNA BE TAKEN AWAY AND CHILLED
INTO PERPETUITY UNTIL YOU GET VIOLENT ANYWAY."
I base this on the fact that I had many innocent acquintances and
friends audited by the IRS resulting in four people oweing penalties
(I point out that these four did not hire a tax attorney to review the
IRS claims). I base this on the fact that I had eight friends and
acquantances fired from their white collar professional jobs with
literally no showing of "reasonable suspicion" or "probable cause"
evidence?!

Yup....THE FBI HAS DECIDED TO CRUSH AND DESTROY ANYBODY

AT THEIR JOB SITE WITHOUT MEETING ANY SORT OF THRESHOLD
LEVEL OF EVIDENCE THAT WOULD BOLSTER SUSPICION TO THE
POINT THAT A KNOWN ASSOCIATE SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED AT
THEIR JOB SITE?!
8) Nobody sues the faggot FBI because the FBI operates covertly
destroying every aspect of your life? Most people don't have a clue
who put all the grief in their life...and that's the way the FBI wants
to keep it to make sure they can do it again over and over and over
to fuel a bizarre and scatological delusion of grandeur.
9) You'll also find that this is a police state m.o. to crush dissent. At
the "stopcovertwar" website...you'll see that many people have
complained of being the victim of a slander campaign at their job
site?! Gee..."how did that happen?" Who, other than a badge
carrying faggot, has the juice to spread a deabilitating slanderous
rumor resulting in innocent people getting fired or harassed or
gossiped about?! Only the faggot cops have that kind of juice....and
only the faggot cops have the intent and motive to do something
this reckless, evil and saddistic.
10) So....save yourself alot of grief and immediatly escalate into

violence and get it over with. Why go the 12 year torture when it is
all coming down to a final confrontation that the police state has
already orchestrated and has the intent to create?! This is all too
obvious from the FBI and APD's attitude, acts, omissions and
obvious intent. It is more than obvious to me that "the police state
exists to escalate into violence and does not operate professionally
or legitimately."
11) ONCE THE FBI OPENS A FILE ON YOU....YOU CAN BET THAT
THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL YOU SPIRITUALLY, EMOTIONALLY,
LEGALLY, PROFESSIONALLY, AND PHYSICALLY?!
[Go ask Duncan Phillip....who has been under surveillance illegally

for 15 years based on social activism with no legitimate assertion
that he has committed any crime. So....the cops just kept sending
idiot snitchs at him....kept provoking him....so they could create a
guy who happily and willingly is ready for any sort of armed
confrontation at his home?! Who could blame him? And no doubt
the cops will coverup or deny anything that makes them look bad....
and will magnify anything that makes Duncan look bad. Don't ever
think that idiot copscum "memorialize Exculpatory evidence in their
reports." Cops don't supervise their snitchs and use them to
antagonize, harass, and provoke people into defending their
constitutional rights....."then cops invoke plausible deniability
claiming they are totally innocent and only doing their job?!"]
12) Once the police state "provokes the target into uttering threats"
they then obtain the "reasonable suspicion" or "probable cause
evidence" that was lacking from the beginning?! This "provocation
into violence" serves the purpose of justifying a never ending
surveillance that is "sure to end up in violence." THAT WAS THE

GOAL FROM THE BEGINNING....IT JUST TAKES A WHILE FOR THE

POLICE STATE TO PUSH SOMEONE OVER THE EDGE.
Everybody has their breaking point....and it is only a matter of time

before that breaking point is reached. The FBI faggots all know this
having practised this "saddistic artform" before.
13) When you compare the victim's timeline evidence with the FBI's
timeline evidence....you'll see a COINCIDENDAL POINT in time
where the "harassment" precedes the target's "violent ideation or
petty criminality." Thus leading to an obvious logical conclusion
that, "you can entrap someone into becoming violent or anti social
or criminal." This comparison of evidence will also prove that the
ESCALATION into violence is the main intent of the police state.
You'll see escalating rhetoric by the target....resulting in escalating
police state harassment.
It got to the point where The FBI and APD were conspiring to
commit a federal crime of violence in which they literally tried to
orchestrate a conspiracy to commit murder by "harassing the target
into arming himself" so that Nathan Griffith and Will "could witness
the gladiator sport that they were orchestrating using "Robert the
Goon" as the victim?! There is no exageration in this fact
pattern?!....so let's hear Matt1 and GODCOP comment on "what is
the appropriate police state response to this fact pattern?
14) I want to know what enabling statute gives the police state the
legal power to PLAY GOD? Who sanctions the copscum.... "to have
the power to run someone out of Austin, Texas?....fire someone
from any white collar professional job?...audit anybody's tax
return?....interfer with someone's relationship with several
women?....sabotage vehicles?....intercept mail?....hire goons,
thugs, and harassers?....put LSD in a guy's beer?....use multiple
thugs to stalk someone at a park?....hire breakin artists to do illegal
searches of someone's home?....
15) How the Hell are they gonna cover up this?
The usual m.o. includes: Denial...."it's our word versus his word"....
bogus IAD or OPR investigations...."attack the victim"....
rationalizations supported by bogus police reports....keeping
harassers off paper requiring access to records that are
intentionally obtuse or untrackeable....frameing the target with
planted drugs or guns....bogus secret grand juries in which nobody
knows what the prosecutor said or did?....provoking the target to
become violent and make incriminating statements....provoke the
victim into becoming a petty criminal....provoke the victim into
developing a drug or alcohol problem....
16) There won't be any legitimate prosecution of these lying faggot

scum...I say this based on the following:
A) This would never happen if "there ever existed a threat of

prosecution in the first place."

B) APD IAD and FBI OPR only exist to weed out whistleblowers or to
"cover up any embarassment to themselves."
C) Prosecutors (like Ronnie Earl) have a variety of tricks, cons,

scams, excuses to make sure "no criminal indictments ever send
corrupt cops to prison." Most people don't realize that "if a criminal
cop goes to prison, he might start talking about all his other pals
and what they are up to?" The Blue Wall of Silence is erected to
maintain credibility which maintains power.
D) The citizens are not ready for the truth and couldn't handle it.
E) The arena of "our word versus his word" usually cons the gullible
public into giving descretion to the cops.
F) Emotional or Psychological injury is not easily quantified with

pictures or medical reports....therefore, "there is no injury...
therefore there is no impetus for criminal sanctions."
G) "The Just World" distortion leads bystanders to assume "that he

must have had it coming to him" otherwise it wouldn't have
happened. This allows the bystanders to avoid looking at the facts,
analyzing criminal laws or "questioning their authority figure's
motives, intent and character." People prefer to "demonize rather
than understand" anybody else....except themselves when they
have liberty deprived?!
H) Unspoken by the power trippers (Judges, prosecutors, cops,

parole officers) is the arrogant delusion of grandeur that "these
people are special and deserve special priviledges in which power
should be used in any way, shape or form."
This selfish love for power is always rationalized as "being for the
good of the community"...and therefore is righteous and absolves
the power tripper of any sort of accusation that "they only self
selected themselves because they wanted to engage in a
narcisscistic power trip that satisfies their bogus and dubious
dramas."
When you give absolute power to an illiterate power tripper whose

"power tripping" is supported and encouraged by the forces of
GroupThink....you can bet that that power will be abused over and
over.
Few men can control their impulses...let alone their own ego's need
to create illusions of "omnipotence" and "omniscience"....and people
self selecting themselves for power "are the last people to be able
to show cause that they can exercise that power according to strict
rules, laws, policies, guidelines and criminal laws?!
I've seen alot of judges make rulings that are totally ignorant of the
written law showing no respect for stare decisis (the idea that
superior courts have power to decide what the law is and what

rulings should be made.) You can find alot of judges that just deny
reality to fit their political or emotional reaction?!
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04-07-2004 08:11 PM
duncan The only tough part about being a cop is trying to keep track of all
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04-07-2004 08:45 PM
Funny how Duncan Phillip's drama is similar to mine?

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1) Never ending surveillance complete with low life snitch scum
taking pot shots into perpetuity.
2) No showing that "a crime was actually committed"?
3) Several layers of law enforcement from fed, to state, to local

cops.
4) Illegal breakins predicated on "safety" or "just doing a security

check."

5) Entrapment schemes orchestrated by snitchs.
6) The puppet masters at the top remain hidden to avoid any sort
of confrontation or identification or responsibility.
7) A normal law abiding citizen with no criminal history is turned

into someone "making threats of violence."
8) The victim is turned into an "unstable loathsome beast" who has

metamorphisized under the constant threat, intimidation, menace
and obvious privacy deprivation.
9) It's all a witch hunt and power play with no rational relationship
to a legitimate law enforcement perogative.
10) Voyeurism and saddistic deviancy is rationalized with the usual

pleas to righteous, legitimate, exercise of police powers.
11) Non conformity and dissent is considered a crime?!
12) Non violent, educated, rational people are "harassed into

becoming monsters" to be slain or surveilled.
13) No bystander can empathize or sympathize since "stalking" and

"domestic terrorism" are crimes that are only appreciated by
someone who has been stalked, threatened, menaced, followed,
hunted, and violated.
14) No Constitutional Rights exist in reality....because...."the

protection of civil liberties is in the hands of the idiots who want to
violate civil liberties?!"
15) When a lawsuit is filed....the police state fears being

investigated knowing full well they broke the laws or policies...and
use tax payer money to pay off a litigant...thus, reinforcing more
illegal police state deprivations of liberty.
Low ball offers are offered in a bogus attempt at insulting the

victim....and, the "illegal monitoring continues into perpetuity."
You cannot prove your innocence because "no charges are filed or
ever will be filed?!"
04-07-2004 09:50 PM

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Your sentiments reflect an exact view of a nearly impossible

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position. Most L.E.O.'s work with and for the community not against
Posts: N/A them. There are those that are the exact opposite. Unfortunately
there isn't a "written exam or personal sceening" that can weed out
all individuals that are unsuitable for the position.
I can say after being involved for more than 25 years I felt I had a
positive effect on the community rather than a negative. It surely
wasn't an easy task to conquer. I was appointed to the position
when female candidates weren't a routine sight. Many male
counterparts and members of the community were "wary" at best. I
can honestly I NEVER lied to make an arrest or used excessive
force, only the force necessary to bring the subject under control.
I'm a staunch supporter of arming law abiding citizens.I've lobbied

to repeal many stringent firearms laws and blocked as many from
being implemented in my state. There are those officers who do not
agree with me on this topic yet when I bring up the fact of "who"
takes care of your family when you're not present then begin to see
the bigger picture and my point is driven home.
Arming a convicted felon that's another issue. There are

"extenuating" circumstances but all too often they're few and far
between.
Neal Cassady
Thank you for expressing such empathy toward a particularly

difficult and sometimes unpopular career path.
Matt I
Hang in there sport! You've got more than a few who also share
you views!
04-14-2004 02:59 PM

duncan Your sentiments reflect an exact view of a nearly impossible

Moderator position. Most L.E.O.'s work with and for the community not
against them. There are those that are the exact opposite.
Registered: Jul 2003 Unfortunately there isn't a "written exam or personal
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado sceening" that can weed out all individuals that are
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unsuitable for the position.
You mean LEO's work the community over don't you? No one is
suitable to play God not even you copster.
Yea we all read Serpico's book and now how you clowns work the
community.
B] I can say after being involved for more than 25 years I felt I had
a positive effect on the community rather than a negative. It surely
wasn't an easy task to conquer. I was appointed to the position
when female candidates weren't a routine sight. Many male
counterparts and members of the community were "wary" at best. I
can honestly I NEVER lied to make an arrest or used excessive
force, only the force necessary to bring the subject under control.[/
B]
Can you be a little more specific? How did the community benefit
from your non-serivce as a tax consumer for 25 years? And we only
have your word for the rest and a cops word around here ain't
worth squat.
I'm a staunch supporter of arming law abiding citizens.I've

lobbied to repeal many stringent firearms laws and blocked
as many from being implemented in my state. There are
those officers who do not agree with me on this topic yet
when I bring up the fact of "who" takes care of your family
when you're not present then begin to see the bigger picture
and my point is driven home.
And of course only you get to define what a law abiding citizen is
uh? And of course you presently enforce the most facist gun laws
on the book in the entire nation which are by the way in violation of
the LAW.
You've got more than a few who also share you views!
Yes their are plenty of facist p*gs in this police state of amerika
who share Matt1's position and this is why we are all here to stop
the insanity of the double standards and the kind of crap you
believe in. You are not the solution to the problem you are the
problem.Quit your job as a copster and you will solve the problem.
People don't become cops because they are corrupt and seek graft
from that end of the criminal spectrum. So you can never sort out
the bad from the good. They become corrput after they become
cops, as it goes with the job, becuase power corrupts and if we can

take away the power we can elimnate the corruption.
NYPD is the most corrupt police agency in the country becuase they
have the most power over the community. The history of this
deparment is grounded in corruption. The movie "Gangs of New
York" was all true and in fact it was tame compared to the reality of
the police in New York City during the 1840's.
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Law Abiding Citizens are just that! I don't be just ANYONE should
OWN a firearm ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE A CONVICTED FELON! In
case you're wanting to know what a FELONIOUS BACKGROUND
CONSISTS OF THOSE CONVICTED OF : RAPE - ROBBERY - MURDER
- ARSON - KIDNAPPING - CHILD MOLESTATION - MANSLAUGHTER -
SODOMY(FORCED - NOT CONSENSUAL) - DRUG DEALERS &
ADDICTS ARE ALSO IF CONVICTED OF A FELONY - ETC!
I DON'T MAKE THE FIREARMS LAWS BUT COMMON SENSE

DICTATES YOU WOULDN'T ARM THOSE WHO ARE PREDATORS OR
MENTALLY INCOMPENTANT!
IN YOUR OPINION THERE'D BE NO LAWS! THE COUNTRY WOULD

BE FAR WORSE THAN A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAVED A CHILD FROM BEING

BEATEN OR SHOT TO DEATH? INTERVENED IN A FAMILY DISPUTE

WHERE ONE OR MORE MEMBERS HAVE BEEN NEARLY BEATEN TO
DEATH? HOW BOUT JUMPIN IN THE MIDDLE OF A GANG FIGHT TO
SAVE AN INNOCENT VICTIM FROM BECOMING THE GANG'S
INITIATION?
HAVE YOU CHECKED ON THE ELDERLY IN YOUR COMMUNITY TO

SEE IF THEY'RE O.K? CHECKED THE SCHOOL YARDS TO INSURE
THE KIDS ARE PREDATOR FREE? AM I BORING YOU?
HOW MANY FAMILY FUNCTIONS HAVE YOU MISSED BECAUSE

YOU'VE TAKEN AN OATH TO "SERVE THE COMMUNITY?" I DID SO
WILLINGLY & WITHOUT REGRET!
I'VE NEVER "PLANTED" EVIDENCE & IF ANYONE I WORK WITH

MAKES AN ATTEMPT THAT WHERE MY ALLIGIANCE STOPS! I WILL
MAKE THEIR ACTIONS KNOWN & THEY'LL NEVER WORK WITH ME
OR THE DEPARTMENT AGAIN IF I'VE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT!
USE OF FORCE
I'VE ONLY USED FORCE NECESSARY TO ARREST AN INDIVIDUAL!
IT WAS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT AT TIMES TO MANAGE THIS
ESPECIALLY WHEN THE DIRTBAG RAPED & SODOMIZED A 1
MONTH OLD INFANT - BEATEN AN ELDERLY INDIVIDUAL TO DEATH
BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAD $1.00 TO STEAL - BURNED DOWN A
HOME BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE NEW OCCUPANTS RACE/
RELIGION/ETC! YOU UNDERSTAND WITHOUT MY HAVING TO DRAW
IT IN CRAYON DON'T YOU?
I'VE BEEN SHOT - SPIT ON - CURSED - MY FAMILY THREATENED

ALL BECAUSE OF MY POSITION. I STILL RESIDE IN THE
COMMUNITY! I'M NOT A "SUBURBAN" COMMUTER WHO DOESN'T
HAVE A CLUE TO THE INNER WORKINGS OF THIS CITY!
I WORKED THE DAY THE TOWERS FELL AND CONTINUED TO

SEARCH FOR VICTIMS UNTIL ALL THERE WAS LEFT WAS DUST!
I'VE WORKED THE MAKESHIFT MORGUE TRYING TO HELP FIND THE
LOVED ONES OF THOSE WHO NEVER RETURNED HOME FROM THAT
FATEFUL DAY! MANY OF MY BROTHER & SISTER OFFICERS NEVER
RETURNED EITHER!
THE LIKES OF YOU WHO FEEL THIS COUNTRY AND IT'S LAWS ARE
CORRUPT SHOULD RELENQUISH THEIR CITIZENSHIP AND LEAVE!
I AM ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO CANNOT CHANGE ALL THE WORLD

BUT I KNOW I'VE MADE A DIFFERENCE! I'VE GONE INTO MY OWN
POCKET & PAID FOR SCHOOL SUPPLIES - CLOTHING FOOD - ETC
OF THOSE WHO COULD NOT AFFORD THEM! WHEN THE BURDEN
AFFECTED MY OWN FAMILY I BEGAN "DRIVES" TO RAISE MORE
FUNDS TO ENABLE THIS TO HAPPEN! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?
READ A BOOK BY FRANK SERPICO? MUCH OF IT WAS TRUE THEN
BECAUSE OF THE SALARIES & TIMES. TODAY IT'S HAS CHANGED.
GANGS OF NEW YORK? INTERESTING! IF YOU PAID ATTENTION

YOU WOULD'VE NOTICED THE FLICK WAS PREDOMENANTLY ABOUT

THE IRISH - BOTH IN OFFICE - ON THE STREETS & THOSE LIVING
IN THE CITY!
HOW DO YOU COMPARE NOW WITH TODAY VIA HOLLYWOOD?

OBVIOUS YOU'RE TOO YOUNG & IMMATURE TO REALIZE HOW THE
EARTH REALLY REVOLVES ON IT'S AXIS!
TELL ME WHERE DID YOU GROW UP? HAVE YOU EVER LIVED IN A
GHETTO? EVER BEEN DIRT POOR? SCRATCHED FOR EVERY PENNY
TO SURVIVE WITHOUT RESORTING TO ANYTHING DISHONEST?
WHAT'S THE EXTENT OF YOUR EDUCATION AND WORK
EXPERIENCE?
IF YOU BELIEVE ALL YOU READ THAN YOU'RE A SHALLOW

INDIVIDUAL! GO OUT AND EXPERIENCE LIFE INSTEAD OF
BITCHING AND MOANING IN CYBERSPACE!
04-15-2004 04:01 PM
duncan Define law abiding and who gets to decide?

Moderator
No one is a felon until after they are convicted of committing a
Registered: Jul 2003 felony. So a new rapist or rookie murderer is going to qualify for a
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado gun purchase anyway. All gun laws do is f*ck over the law abiding
Posts: 9006 gun owners.
And why should a person be punised over and above the crime
committed? They already paid for the crime and now you are
depriving these people what they need to defend themsleves as
well.
You failed to list all of the nonviolent felonies like drug dealing, illicit
drug use, corporate theft, forgery, fraud etc... . Should these
people be denied a gun?
And what the f8ck are people who have been convicted of murder
and baby rape still doing on the streets?
Since when is sodomy a felony?
If you mean forced sodomy then that would fall under the crime of
rape just like what those NYPD copster did to that black immigrant
and then lost the city 10 million smackaroos to make it the largest
settlement ever.
In my opinion the laws that are the books now are worthless and
only serve to f*ck over the innocent. If the laws worked then there
wouldn't be any baby rapers, murders or arsonists, running around
on the streets becuase your system cut them loose to commit their
crimes.

Your comment about these sorts of people running around only

makes my point that the state protects no one from nothing. The
CBI background checks done here in Colorado are not being done
just to turn down people with past felony records they are turning
people down for any crime commited and in many cases it
happened 40 f*cking years ago.
"WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAVED A CHILD FROM BEING
BEATEN OR SHOT TO DEATH? INTERVENED IN A FAMILY DISPUTE
WHERE ONE OR MORE MEMBERS HAVE BEEN NEARLY BEATEN TO
DEATH? HOW BOUT JUMPIN IN THE MIDDLE OF A GANG FIGHT TO
SAVE AN INNOCENT VICTIM FROM BECOMING THE GANG'S
INITIATION?"
I might ask you the same questions and you will have to give us
names, dates and places so that we can verify the information. I
must insist on the proper qualification as too many of your ilk will
lie their collective asse* off just to justify a need for their parasitical
existence.
All I can say is that I an volunteer firefighter and recieve nothing for
my assistance to my community. We have no gangs around and
what good is it if you show up after the family member has beaten
enarly to death? I'm not paid to come here and post false appeals
to emotion without citing a source. I'm not piad to provide a non-
service to the community and why should I pay you for the
protection of other people. Funny iI have never had any problem
with gangs because I don't belong to one. I don't place my self in
vicarious situation that can become hostile. And this is the problem
to many people runnign around woith their heads up there butts
and having more copsters to hold their little hands is not the
answer it only breeds dependency on the state and supports the
false illusion of protection. You can't protect people from
themselves. How did they get into the situations they were in?
Don't marry a**holes who will beat you and your children near to
death, don't live in gang invested niehgborhoods and what ever ya
do don't dial 911 becuase by the time the copsters show up it will
all be over for you..
"HAVE YOU CHECKED ON THE ELDERLY IN YOUR COMMUNITY TO

SEE IF THEY'RE O.K? CHECKED THE SCHOOL YARDS TO INSURE
THE KIDS ARE PREDATOR FREE? AM I BORING YOU?'
Have you? and what would be the point? Don't these pople have
family to take care of them and aren't there enough soical welfare
programs out there that we don't need to have more social workers
like you running aorund on the streets? What the f*ck are teachers
and welfare workers doing with their time? Just standing around
waiting for some copster to hold their hands as well as the the
hands of the elderly and the children? Come on a**hole knock the
appeal to pity crap off. You have never checked up on an old person
or goen to a school house to be nice to the little children.

"HOW MANY FAMILY FUNCTIONS HAVE YOU MISSED BECAUSE

YOU'VE TAKEN AN OATH TO "SERVE THE COMMUNITY?" I DID SO
WILLINGLY & WITHOUT REGRET!"
I don't have any family functions. All of my family is dead and

buried in the local cemetary.
"I'VE NEVER "PLANTED" EVIDENCE & IF ANYONE I WORK WITH

MAKES AN ATTEMPT THAT WHERE MY ALLIGIANCE STOPS! I WILL
MAKE THEIR ACTIONS KNOWN & THEY'LL NEVER WORK WITH ME
OR THE DEPARTMENT AGAIN IF I'VE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT!"
I would never lie to you, honest. When ever some copster starts
talking this I still keep thinking of the used car dealer who is about
to sucker some guy into buying a lemon.
"USE OF FORCE
I'VE ONLY USED FORCE NECESSARY TO ARREST AN INDIVIDUAL!
IT WAS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT AT TIMES TO MANAGE THIS
ESPECIALLY WHEN THE DIRTBAG RAPED & SODOMIZED A 1
MONTH OLD INFANT - BEATEN AN ELDERLY INDIVIDUAL TO DEATH
BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAD $1.00 TO STEAL - BURNED DOWN A
HOME BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE NEW OCCUPANTS RACE/
RELIGION/ETC! YOU UNDERSTAND WITHOUT MY HAVING TO DRAW
IT IN CRAYON DON'T YOU?"
Dates times and places otherwise this post means sqaut to me and
anyone else reading it. thsi si jsut anothe false appeal to emotion
and reall this is what your entire arguement consist of.
"I'VE BEEN SHOT - SPIT ON - CURSED - MY FAMILY THREATENED

ALL BECAUSE OF MY POSITION. I STILL RESIDE IN THE
COMMUNITY! I'M NOT A "SUBURBAN" COMMUTER WHO DOESN'T
HAVE A CLUE TO THE INNER WORKINGS OF THIS CITY!"
So have I with the exception of being shot, but I have been shot at
and all fro the saem reason and in many cases by yer fellow
copsters. You can read all about it on the "Arena". once agian
names, dates and places otherwise this post means squat.
"I WORKED THE DAY THE TOWERS FELL AND CONTINUED TO

SEARCH FOR VICTIMS UNTIL ALL THERE WAS LEFT WAS DUST!
I'VE WORKED THE MAKESHIFT MORGUE TRYING TO HELP FIND THE
LOVED ONES OF THOSE WHO NEVER RETURNED HOME FROM THAT
FATEFUL DAY! MANY OF MY BROTHER & SISTER OFFICERS NEVER
RETURNED EITHER!"
So what I was working the day the towers fell and you only showed
up after the fact. Once again names dates otherwise this stuff
means squat to me. Why osama attack the WTC? Are with the
answer to this therein lies the problem.
"THE LIKES OF YOU WHO FEEL THIS COUNTRY AND IT'S LAWS ARE

CORRUPT SHOULD RELENQUISH THEIR CITIZENSHIP AND LEAVE!"
I don't feel it I f*cking know it and i ma not about to give up and

leave my country a place where my famliy has lived a fought for the
past 300 years. Uncle Dunkie's famliy didn't just get off the f*cking
bannana boat from Cuba.
"I AM ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO CANNOT CHANGE ALL THE WORLD

BUT I KNOW I'VE MADE A DIFFERENCE! I'VE GONE INTO MY OWN
POCKET & PAID FOR SCHOOL SUPPLIES - CLOTHING FOOD - ETC
OF THOSE WHO COULD NOT AFFORD THEM! WHEN THE BURDEN
AFFECTED MY OWN FAMILY I BEGAN "DRIVES" TO RAISE MORE
FUNDS TO ENABLE THIS TO HAPPEN! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?
READ A BOOK BY FRANK SERPICO? MUCH OF IT WAS TRUE THEN
BECAUSE OF THE SALARIES & TIMES. TODAY IT'S HAS CHANGED."
I can change my world and do the best i can to f*ck up your evil
world of a police state. Anything in your pocket came from my
pocket aka taxation without representation. Money swine like you
took from me that went to pay for your sh*t was money I needed
to pay for my health care and shelter. Dont' whine to me about yer
slaray parasite. I've been made to feed maggots like since the day I
started working at the age of 15. The only thing that has changed is
that the police state has gotten bigger and bigger and more
oppressive than ever.
"GANGS OF NEW YORK? INTERESTING! IF YOU PAID ATTENTION

YOU WOULD'VE NOTICED THE FLICK WAS PREDOMENANTLY ABOUT
THE IRISH - BOTH IN OFFICE - ON THE STREETS & THOSE LIVING
IN THE CITY!"
Oh my an ethnic slur and gee I'm really offended by the comment.

Now the city is run by corrupt wops and kikes.
"HOW DO YOU COMPARE NOW WITH TODAY VIA HOLLYWOOD?

OBVIOUS YOU'RE TOO YOUNG & IMMATURE TO REALIZE HOW THE
EARTH REALLY REVOLVES ON IT'S AXIS!"
I'm 46 junior and I have college degree in History. But go ahead

and give us a lesson on the history of police corruption in NYC you
can start by talking aoutt the Knapp Comission and its findings.
"TELL ME WHERE DID YOU GROW UP? HAVE YOU EVER LIVED IN A
GHETTO? EVER BEEN DIRT POOR? SCRATCHED FOR EVERY PENNY
TO SURVIVE WITHOUT RESORTING TO ANYTHING DISHONEST?
WHAT'S THE EXTENT OF YOUR EDUCATION AND WORK
EXPERIENCE?"
East LA duiring the Watts riots. Yep, I've been so dirty poor that I
had to live in the back of my pickup truck even though I was
working at the time the state saw fit to steal my welath visa via
taxes gone to support welfare *****s like you. I have worked my
a** off since I was 15 and I have a BA in Political Science, a
certficate in Criminal Justice, a certificate in Legal Investigation all

form CSU and a paralegal certificate from DPI. And all fo this crap
won't evne buy me a cup of coffee at the local donut shop.
"IF YOU BELIEVE ALL YOU READ THAN YOU'RE A SHALLOW

INDIVIDUAL! GO OUT AND EXPERIENCE LIFE INSTEAD OF
BITCHING AND MOANING IN CYBERSPACE!'
F8cking p*g I have more expereince in just one year of my humble

life than you have had your entire life. Get out of the city dickweed
there is a whole other world out there that isn't centered around
you facist p8gs.
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Duncan

04-15-2004 08:46 PM
BLUE IN N.Y.C.
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HEY DUNCAN!
Registered: Not Yet
Location:
Posts: N/A
I GOTCHA YOUR NUMBER & PROFILE! A CRANKED UP METH HEAD!
I'M OLDER THAN YOU AND TOO BAD ABOUT YOUR FAMILY.
THEY'RE PROBABLY BETTER OFF WITHOUT AN EMBARASSMENT
LIKE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
COURT'S DECIDE THE FATE OF THE ALLEDGED PERPETRATORS

NOT ME! IF YOU BOTHERED TO READ I STATED I WASN'T A MALE
BUT A FEMALE!
I WAS WORKING WITH MOIRA SMITH ONE OF THE N.Y.P.D.

FEMALE OFFICERS WHO'D PERISHED IN THE TOWER TRADGEDY! I
CARE NOT TO REHASH THE EXPERIENCE FOR PERSONAL REASONS.

IF YOU'D LIKE MORE NAMES REFER TO THE INTERNET & OTHER

MATERIAL PRINTED! YOU'D PROBABLY EMBRACE THE LIKES OF AL
QAIDA IF THEY'D FLASH CASH IN YOUR FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CHECK UP THE ELDERLY? WHY SHOULD YOU? GEE! I DON'T

KNOW??????????????? YOU CLAIM THEY'VE FAMILY WHAT ABOUT
THE ONES THAT DON'T????????? THE HELL WITH
THEM?????????????
PEOPLE MARRY OR OFTEN PAIR UP WITH CHAMELEONS!!!!!!!! YOU

CAN LIVE WITH AN INDIVIDUAL AN ENTIRE LIFETIME & NEVER
KNOW THEM!
YOU BEEN SUPPORTING ME SINCE YOU WERE 15?????? HOW BY

SELLING DRUGS OR PIMPING?????????????? EDUCATED YOU'RE
DEFINITELY NOT ---- CHECK THE SPELLING & TYPOS!!!!!!!!!!!!
THERE'S NO GANGS IN COLORADO????????? WHERE DO YOU LIVE

ON A MOUNTAIN TOP DAVEY CROCKET??????????????
I RESIDE IN THE CITY I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN! I'VE
PREVIOUSLY STATED A PORTION OF MY PERSONAL EFFORTS
ABOVE AND BEYOND THE SCOPE OF MY JOB. PROVIDING YOU
WITH NAMES & ADDRESSES WOULD DO EXACTLY
WHAT???????????
WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD??????????

PROBABLY JACK ****!!!!!!!! MORE THAN LIKELY YOU GOT
SNAGGED FOR DUI OR B.S. "OPEN CARRY" TRYING TO PROVE
YOU'RE BIG BOSS MAN!!!!!!!!!
I TEACH FIREARMS & TACTICS TO L.E.O.'S & CIVILIANS AS WELL

AS UNARMED SELF DEFENSE TO WOMEN & THE ELDERLY FREE OF
CHARGE! I'M A PARAMEDIC WITH THE LOCAL VOLUNTEER
AMBULANCE HERE ALSO!
BIG FREAKIN' DEAL YOU'RE A VOLUNTEER FIREMAN -----------

HOW'D YOU PUT OUT THE FIRES????????? PISS OUT THE BEER OR
METH YOU SUCKED UP ALL DAY ON WELFARE THAT MY TAX
DOLLARS PAID FOR????????????
"GANGS OF NEW YORK" WAS A PROFILE OF THE IRISH --- SHANTY

IRISH AT THAT! DID I STRIKE A NERVE????????????? TOO
FREAKIN' BAD!!!!!!!!!!! IF THE TRUTH HURTS **** HEAD!!!!!!!!!
MOST OF YOUR POLICE CORRUPTION HERE & IN OTHER PARTS OF

THE COUNTRY CAME FROM THE IRISH IN OFFICE AT THE TIME -----
CHECK THE HISTORY BOOKS ----- NOTE THE NAMES MAYBE YOU'LL
LEARN SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU CLAIM TO HAVE COLLEGE "CREDENTIALS" ------- WHAT

SCHOOLS HAVE YOU ATTENDED?????? STATING THAT B.S. MEANS
ZIP TO ME ALSO ------- STATE YOU'RE CLAIM!!!!!!!!!! YOU
PROBABLY ARE EMBITTERED BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T BE APPNTED

TO A DEPARTMENT OR CATCH A COLD!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'VE GOT MY BACHELORS FROM JOHN JAY IN POLICE SCIENCE

GRADUATED "SUMMA CUM LAUDE." I'VE ALSO RECIEVED A
MASTERS IN FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGY FROM THE SAME UNIVERSTY
& I'M WORKING ON MY PhD. IN FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGY TO BEGIN
WORKING WITH MENTALLY DEFICIENT CREATINS LIKE YOU!!!!!!!
PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO CLAIM TO BE RABEL ROUSERS ARE

PARASITES IN THEIR OWN RITE!!!!!!!! ALL OF YOU SHOULD BE
ROUNDED UP & DEPORTED TO YOUR OWN ISLAND & LEFT TO FEND
FOR YOURSELVES!!!!!! IF YOU LIVED UNDER ANY OTHER
GOVERNMENT YOU'D NOT HAVE THE FREEDOMS YOU CLAIM YOU
DESPISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
04-15-2004 09:58 PM
duncan "I GOTCHA YOUR NUMBER & PROFILE! A CRANKED UP METH HEAD!
Moderator I'M OLDER THAN YOU AND TOO BAD ABOUT YOUR FAMILY.
THEY'RE PROBABLY BETTER OFF WITHOUT AN EMBARASSMENT
Registered: Jul 2003 LIKE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!"
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado
Posts: 9006 Yea right. I'll bet you have more crack floating around in your veins
than the average crack head does.
"COURT'S DECIDE THE FATE OF THE ALLEDGED PERPETRATORS

NOT ME! IF YOU BOTHERED TO READ I STATED I WASN'T A MALE
BUT A FEMALE!"
You had a sex change and so what?
I WAS WORKING WITH MOIRA SMITH ONE OF THE N.Y.P.D.

FEMALE OFFICERS WHO'D PERISHED IN THE TOWER TRADGEDY! I
CARE NOT TO REHASH THE EXPERIENCE FOR PERSONAL REASONS.
IF YOU'D LIKE MORE NAMES REFER TO THE INTERNET & OTHER
MATERIAL PRINTED! YOU'D PROBABLY EMBRACE THE LIKES OF AL
QAIDA IF THEY'D FLASH CASH IN YOUR FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alot of people died that day and how come you didn't name any of
the taxpaying civilians who died in that tragedy? Why is it you
copsters think that your lives are more important than ours? Who
let the terrorists into the country? Who sat on their collective asse*
while the terrorist were plotting their crimes in New Jersey just
across the bay for where you go to suck on a donut everyday? I'm
not the one who created the problem.
"CHECK UP THE ELDERLY? WHY SHOULD YOU? GEE! I DON'T

KNOW??????????????? YOU CLAIM THEY'VE FAMILY WHAT ABOUT
THE ONES THAT DON'T????????? THE HELL WITH
THEM?????????????"

Or a rather you don't check up on the elderly at all. This was just
crap that you posted in order to jusitfy a need. I mean what do you
do exactely when you are checking up on them? Do you feed and
cloth them? How many welfare agencies do we have to pay for or
even need?
"PEOPLE MARRY OR OFTEN PAIR UP WITH CHAMELEONS!!!!!!!! YOU

CAN LIVE WITH AN INDIVIDUAL AN ENTIRE LIFETIME & NEVER
KNOW THEM!"
This has something to do with anything?
"YOU BEEN SUPPORTING ME SINCE YOU WERE 15?????? HOW BY

SELLING DRUGS OR PIMPING?????????????? EDUCATED YOU'RE
DEFINITELY NOT ---- CHECK THE SPELLING & TYPOS!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Nope, I supported a tax consumer like you when the facist fed stole
apart of my wealth i.e my pay check and it is called taxes. At the
age of 15 I worked my a** off at a lousy fast food restauraunt and
the fed stole money from a child to support parasites like you.
Unf8cking real.
"THERE'S NO GANGS IN COLORADO????????? WHERE DO YOU LIVE

ON A MOUNTAIN TOP DAVEY CROCKET??????????????
I RESIDE IN THE CITY I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN! I'VE
PREVIOUSLY STATED A PORTION OF MY PERSONAL EFFORTS
ABOVE AND BEYOND THE SCOPE OF MY JOB. PROVIDING YOU
WITH NAMES & ADDRESSES WOULD DO EXACTLY
WHAT???????????"
No gangs in Ft. Collins, but we have lots of wannabes and it is real

simple just don't associate with gangs. It is because of the
gangsters that the negro mayor of Denver imposed gun control on
non-gang members. It was his facist city ordinance that I violated.
Davey Crocket was from Tennesse and died at the Alamo in Texas
he never saw Colorado in his life. Jim Bowie died along side of
Davey at the Alamo and he did see Colorado. Bowie was the guy
who started the Oregon Trail and brought all of those stinking
Mormons to Utah. Ya know I should be getting paid to educate a
dumf*ck like you.
Crocket gave a nice speech to Congress on the evils of having a

welfare state and back then they didn't need no stinking copsters.
No names means no crediblity as we have no way to verify the crap

you have been posting on our forum.
"WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD??????????

PROBABLY JACK ****!!!!!!!! MORE THAN LIKELY YOU GOT
SNAGGED FOR DUI OR B.S. "OPEN CARRY" TRYING TO PROVE
YOU'RE BIG BOSS MAN!!!!!!!!!"
I'm not arrogant enough to believe that I have the right to change

the world and violate the lives of others. I can only change my
world for me and me alone. I can only deal with my enviroment and
not the enviroment of others. I did the open carry thing to defend
the Bill of Rights from the facist negro mayor of Denver and his
facist goons with the Denver PD.
"I TEACH FIREARMS & TACTICS TO L.E.O.'S & CIVILIANS AS WELL

AS UNARMED SELF DEFENSE TO WOMEN & THE ELDERLY FREE OF
CHARGE! I'M A PARAMEDIC WITH THE LOCAL VOLUNTEER
AMBULANCE HERE ALSO!"
But if any of them carry a gun without a precious city issued permit
you will violate their rights and arrest them, thus you not only
support gun control you enfore the facism of it all.
"BIG FREAKIN' DEAL YOU'RE A VOLUNTEER FIREMAN -----------

HOW'D YOU PUT OUT THE FIRES????????? PISS OUT THE BEER OR
METH YOU SUCKED UP ALL DAY ON WELFARE THAT MY TAX
DOLLARS PAID FOR????????????"
Now the p8g hates volunteer firemen. P8gs just hate it when some
one volunteers for free to do the same they get paid to do..
"GANGS OF NEW YORK" WAS A PROFILE OF THE IRISH --- SHANTY

IRISH AT THAT! DID I STRIKE A NERVE????????????? TOO
FREAKIN' BAD!!!!!!!!!!! IF THE TRUTH HURTS **** HEAD!!!!!!!!!"
Actually dumba** the movie showed that us white folks where

persectued as well as dem black folks. That riot in the movie really
happened it was called the NYC draft riots and while it was going on
the copsters were all hiding in their station houses and whining
about who should go out a stop the violence. They finally called in
the US Army.
"MOST OF YOUR POLICE CORRUPTION HERE & IN OTHER PARTS OF

THE COUNTRY CAME FROM THE IRISH IN OFFICE AT THE TIME -----
CHECK THE HISTORY BOOKS ----- NOTE THE NAMES MAYBE YOU'LL
LEARN SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
It's not my police corruption it's your police corruption. The

corruption was there long before any mick got off the boat from
Ireland and it still exist today under the wops and kikes.
"YOU CLAIM TO HAVE COLLEGE "CREDENTIALS" ------- WHAT

SCHOOLS HAVE YOU ATTENDED?????? STATING THAT B.S. MEANS
ZIP TO ME ALSO ------- STATE YOU'RE CLAIM!!!!!!!!!! YOU
PROBABLY ARE EMBITTERED BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T BE APPNTED
TO A DEPARTMENT OR CATCH A COLD!!!!!!!!!!!!'
Learn to read a post stupid. CSU.
What school did you attend or did you take a mail order class on
becoming a uniformed thug?
"I'VE GOT MY BACHELORS FROM JOHN JAY IN POLICE SCIENCE

GRADUATED "SUMMA CUM LAUDE." I'VE ALSO RECIEVED A

MASTERS IN FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGY FROM THE SAME UNIVERSTY
& I'M WORKING ON MY PhD. IN FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGY TO BEGIN
WORKING WITH MENTALLY DEFICIENT CREATINS LIKE YOU!!!!!!!"
I was right John Jay is a mail order program. They do have a nice
little news letter which prints alot of the police corruption that goes
on in this country.
My prof was from NY and a copster when he was there. He now

teaches Criminal Justice at CU. We had to suscribe to the John Jay
news letter as apart of his class. Dr. Standing Bear an Iriquois.
"PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO CLAIM TO BE RABEL ROUSERS ARE

PARASITES IN THEIR OWN RITE!!!!!!!! ALL OF YOU SHOULD BE
ROUNDED UP & DEPORTED TO YOUR OWN ISLAND & LEFT TO FEND
FOR YOURSELVES!!!!!! IF YOU LIVED UNDER ANY OTHER
GOVERNMENT YOU'D NOT HAVE THE FREEDOMS YOU CLAIM YOU
DESPISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
I don't live off the tapayers you do and without us bitch you would
be on the streets begging for change to buy a new crotch pad every
time ya had yer period.
There is no freedom in amerika komrade only the illusion of it. If we

had true freedom in amerika you'd be out of a f8cking job.
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Duncan

Last edited by duncan on 04-16-2004 at 12:50 AM
04-16-2004 12:35 AM

ASSHOLE LIKE DUNCAN

Guest
NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU TWIST & TURN THINGS TO YOUR

Registered: Not Yet
Location:
OWN AGENDA YOU CAN'T ESCAPE THE FACT FACT THAT YOU'RE AN
Posts: N/A OUT AND OUT 1ST. CLASS ASSHOLE! PLAIN & SIMPLE!
DO YOU KNOW THE NAMES OF EVERY CITIZEN WHERE YOU LIVE?

NEITHER DO I !
SING ME A SAD SONG OF FLIIPING BUCKAROO BURGERS! YOU'RE

PROBABLY STILL AT IT!
SEX CHANGE?????? DON'T THINK SO! STICK YOU FAGGOT ASS IN

A RIKERS ISLAND CELL & BIG BUBBA WILL MAKE YOU HIS BITCH!!!
OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GOT NO BALLS - DICK OR HEART! YOU'RE
JUST A SCARED LILTTLE BITCHIN' PUKE WHO TRIES TO IMPRESS
IN CYBERSPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I HOPE TO GOD YOU DIDN'T PISS OUT ANY KIDS TO POLLUTE THE
PLANET!!!!!!!
HEY MORON --- I WAS RIGHT --- YOU ARE A SPEED

FREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OOPS! SORRY FOR THE "CRACK" REMARK!!!!!!!!
WHY BUY CRACK WHEN YOU CAN MAKE METH!!!!!!!!!!
YOU'RE PROBABLY THE SAME DICKBRAIN THAT VISITS OTHER L.E.

O. SITES TO STIR UP B.S.
DON'T HIDE YOU'RE HATEFUL WORDS BY SUBSTITUTING NUMBERS

AND OTHER NON LETTERS!
YOU'RE AS BACKWARDS & ILLERTERATE AS THEY COME!!!!!!!!! SO

YOU'VE A BLACK MAYOR WHICH YOU REFER TO AS "NEGRO" -----
REAL ASS BACKWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!
HATE JEWS & WOPS??????????? WHY?????????? SHANTY

IRISH???????????
YOU'RE FREAKIN' FAMILY HERE FOR 300 YEARS????????????

PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU'RE A REFUGEE FROM ELSEWHERE TOO
JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIKE
IT!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU PROBABLY DID COME FROM A 3RD. WORLD
COUNTRY!!!!!!!! NOW WE SUPPORT YOU WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS
YOU IGNORANT TURD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A UNIVERSITY NEWSLETTER ISN'T A MAIL ORDER DEGREE ASS

WIPE!!!!!!!!!!! WHERE DID YOU ATTEND SCHOOL????????? BET
YOU RODE THE SHORT BUS!!!!!!!!! OU NEVER SAW THE INSIDE OF
A SCHOOL BEYOND 2nd. GRADE!!!!!!!!!!!
KEEP "CRANKIN' UP!!!!!!!! YOU AREN'T A FIREMAN VOLUNTEER OR

OTHERWISE!!!!!!!!!!! HPOW COME YOU DIDN'T BRING YOUR SORRY
ASS TO N.Y. TO HELP DURING 9-11?????????? WE HAD FOLKS

FROM ALL OVER WHO WERE SINCERE & A PLEASURE TO WORK

WITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I KNOW WERE CROCKET CAME FROM!!!!!!!! YOU'RE PROBABLY A

RECLUSE IN SOME JERK WATER TOWN WERE YOU SPOUT YOUR
INEBRIATED B.S!
YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR WORLD??????????? FROM WHAT TO

WHAT?????????? GET REAL YOU ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
04-16-2004 02:52 AM
Matt1 welcome to the Forum Blue. It is about time we started to get more
Senior Member voices of reason here besides just God Cop and I. Hope to see you
here on a regular basis.
Posts: 1818
04-16-2004 11:13 AM
duncan It is about time we started to get more voices of reason here

Moderator besides just God Cop and I.
Registered: Jul 2003 Yea and it's a good thing I'm here to deal with all of the false
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado appeals to pity.
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BLUE IN N.Y.C. Tough Being A Cop

Senior Member
THANKS FOR THE WELCOME MATT1! I sincerly appreciate it!

Location: What "Dickie DUNCAN" here fails to realize is there's POSITIVE &
Posts: 667
NEGATIVE ELEMENTS in EVERY WALK OF LIFE ---- not just LAW
ENFORCEMENT!!!!!
DICKIE DUNCAN sees life through a pair of BLINDERS! He's

Delluded thinking he opinions wields some sort of power & weight!
All it is - is an OPINION! Nothing More!
You can tell by his ramblings he's a DISGRUNTLED old fart! I did a
little research on his B.S. Bio in the Forum. Big Deal he got a
sympathetic Judge who gave away the tax payers cash ---- nothing
new!
Dickie Duncan did not set any precedents via his "actions" or have
any rulings changed. He was awarded a cash settlement to "rid" th
system of another FLEA! It's much CHEAPER to have given his sorry
ass the $20 G's than to incarcerate this Anti American Rabel Rouser!
He's already recieved his BRIEF 15 minutes of fame : Name in the

newspaper -- B.S. Internet Blurb - and an an obnoxious settlement.
He's history! No one one the East Coast - Down South or elsewhere
in this country knows or cares about Dickie Duncan!
His B.S. claims to education are LAUGHABLE at best. He's yet to

post where his "alleged" education took place. In his words --
Names - Dates - Places - etc., or it means NOTHING!
He BITCHED about "Flippin Buckeroo Burgers @ 15!" Big Deal! He

obviously wasn't a child genius! You want something you EARN IT
---- Nothing falls into your lap! Bet you that was the ONLY Position
he held! LOL! He B.S.'s about some other "positions" he held in
California & stated he was in the "Coast Guard" but failed to
document his Rank & Digits that he DEMANDS from everyone else.
He properly was in some type of 3rd. world country's Coast Guard
not in the U.S.A.
He BOASTS his family was here for 300 years --- Prove It! What is
his heritage?????? His "family fought" for this country for 300
years! What a knee slapper!!!!!!! GIVE ME A FREAKIN' BREAK!!!!!!!!!
He's not indigenous to this country ----- he's from elsewhere ------
JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ---- he's not so very special nor
important!!!!!
Betcha he's not married! No one would put up with his inane
stupidity!!! God help us if he had the unmitigated gall to
procreate!!!!!! Lord Have Mercy On Us!!!!!!!!!!!

A "Volunteer Firearm" Where????? Let me verify it!!!!!! As he's

stated without Names & Dates it means nothing!!!!!!!! What type of
Full Time Employment is Dickie Duncan Engaged in
currently?????????
For someone who ALLEDGES to be a "Political Instigator" There are

no CREDENTIALS to Substantiate anything except a B.S. Blurb from
a "newspaper."
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I found some INCONGRUITIES in Dickie Duncan's Previous

Rebuttal's to my statements. It will PROVE how Full Of **** Home
Boy Really Is!
They are as follows :
A) "I have a College Degree in History."
B) "I Have a BA in Political Science - Certificate in Criminal Justice -

Certificate in Legal Investigations from CSU and Paralegal
Certificate from DPI."
C) I'm 46 junior!"
D) "In East LA During The Watts Riots I slept in the back of my Pick
Up Truck."
Here's where Dickie Duncan is EXPOSED for what he is : A Bull****

Artist or attempting to be one!
A) College Degree in History From Where? Eh! Bull**** statement

Number #1.
B) Bull**** Statement #2 : I have a BS in Political Science -

Certificate in Criminal Justice - Certificate in Legal Investigations -
from CSU & Paralegal Certificate from DPI.
Poor Dickie Duncan can't get his Bull**** straight! He claims a

College Degree in History but dosen't state from where, then he
goes on to Bull**** further that he has a BA in Political Science --
Certificates in Criminal Justice & Legal Investigation from CSU and a
Certificate in Paralegal Studies from DPI. Who's Bull****ting
who??????????? What is DPI??????? A Certificate is a far cry from
an actual degree program stupid!!!!!!!!!
Anyone can walk in from the street and take a "Certificate Class!"
bThe "Certificate Program" is a NON CREDITED COURSE and you
have to be SPECIFIC about the EXACT course you TOOK! Criminal
Justice has quite a few sub specialty subjects as does Legal
Investigations! It's pretty much a PASS/Fail Agenda! I consulted the
CSU Cuririculum Handbook to VERIFY your Bull****!!!!!!! A
"Certificate Program" Does NOT HOLD any weight as does a Degree
----- Further if your Position did not REQUIRE you to take a
Certificate Program it's pretty worthless!!!!!!! People take these
"classes" to gain some insight but it's a far cry from the Regular or

Advanced Degree Programs!!!!!! So Stop Bitchin that they can't get

you a position!!!!!!!! They'e little more than "Into Courses for Adults
DUMMY!!!!!!!
C) "I'm 46 years old junior!" ---- That means you were born in
1958 ---- Give or take a year by your own Admission.
D) "East L.A. during the Watts Riots I slept in the back of my Pick
Up Truck!"
Give me a Freakin' break!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!
The Watts Riots took place on August 11, 1965!!!!! You would've
been 6 or 7 Years Old MORON!!!!!!! No where near old enough to
drive let alone OWN a Pick Up Truck!!!!!! DUH!!!!!!!!!
You Are OUTTED for what you are ---- a Bold Faced Liar &
Bull****ter!!!!! Far from Educated!!!!!!!!! Look a your choices of
words to DESCRIBE your thoughts!!!!!!!!! Aside from the MEGA
TYPOS the WORDS USED ARE DEFINITELY WRONG!!!!!!!! Indicative
of someone who CANNOT WRITE NOR ONE WHO KNOWS WHAT
THEY"RE TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!
RAVE ON DICKIE DUNCAN!!!!!! YOU MAY HAVE SOME SUCKED

INTO YOUR BULL**** BUT THAT'S ALL IT IS ---- BULL****!!!!!!
Tis often said :
"If You Can't Dazzle Them With Brilliance You Can Baffle Them With
Bull****!"
That's EXACTLY what you're trying to do! RAVE ON!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is the type of character who believes in rules ---- HIS OWN!
That's why I believe he's Bull****ing about the Coast Guard &
everything else! He'd have to ABIDE BY THE PARAMETERS OF
STRUCTURE WHICH HE OBVIOUSLY ABHORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's A Legend In His Own Mind! Dream On Dickie Duncan Dream

On!!!!!!!!!!!
Last edited by BLUE IN N.Y.C. on 04-16-2004 at 05:39 PM
04-16-2004 04:20 PM

duncan "What "Dickie DUNCAN" here fails to realize is there's POSITIVE &
Moderator NEGATIVE ELEMENTS in EVERY WALK OF LIFE ---- not just LAW
ENFORCEMENT!!!!!"
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado The difference is that your negative element gets innocent people
Posts: 9006 killed all in the name of the law. No doubt employers like 7/11 have
a negative element, but who care if a 7/11 employee gets cuagt
stealing a candy bar. I'm not being taxed to support the bad
element of 7/11 employees.
"DICKIE DUNCAN sees life through a pair of BLINDERS! He's

Delluded thinking he opinions wields some sort of power & weight!
All it is - is an OPINION! Nothing More!"
I see copsters for what they truely are, tax consuming parasites
who protect nothing but their own a**es. My opinions must wield
power over you otherwise why would you be responding to them?
But your right we don't live in represenative deomocracy and we

have no say in how our government is run. I know full well that
writting letters to dirtbag politicians and voting for them is a waste
if my time and this is why I'm an anarchist and because we all
know that you copster will do what ever you please regardless of
law and regardless of what the taxpayers want you to do.
"You can tell by his ramblings he's a DISGRUNTLED old fart! I did a
little research on his B.S. Bio in the Forum. Big Deal he got a
sympathetic Judge who gave away the tax payers cash ---- nothing
new!"
Yea a guy tends to get that way when he sees copster get away
with murder at the taxpayers expense.
"Dickie Duncan did not set any precedents via his "actions" or have
any rulings changed. He was awarded a cash settlement to "rid" th
system of another FLEA! It's much CHEAPER to have given his sorry
ass the $20 G's than to incarcerate this Anti American Rabel
Rouser!"
Yer pals committted a crime and thye had to be made to pay for it.
it's a shame the swien didn't go to jial for the lies and their crimes.
If they did nothing wrong then why did the give me 20K? They
could have goen to trial if they wanted to, but they didn't.
"He's already recieved his BRIEF 15 minutes of fame : Name in the

newspaper -- B.S. Internet Blurb - and an an obnoxious settlement.
He's history! No one one the East Coast - Down South or elsewhere
in this country knows or cares about Dickie Duncan!"
Ive gotten much more than 15 minutes. i;ve been doing the civli
right thing for well voer 15 years and have a three inch scrap book
full of news clippins to prove it. You evil copsters made me famous
thanks stupid.

"His B.S. claims to education are LAUGHABLE at best. He's yet to

post where his "alleged" education took place. In his words --
Names - Dates - Places - etc., or it means NOTHING!'
So when you attended John Jay you never once wrote a paper and
you never had to cite any sources for the info you gave to the prof?
No sources means no crediblity which is soemthing you evil copster
never have. All you have posted to date are false appeal to
emotion, ad-hom attacks and crap.
"He BITCHED about "Flippin Buckeroo Burgers @ 15!" Big Deal! He

obviously wasn't a child genius! You want something you EARN IT
---- Nothing falls into your lap! Bet you that was the ONLY Position
he held! LOL! He B.S.'s about some other "positions" he held in
California & stated he was in the "Coast Guard" but failed to
document his Rank & Digits that he DEMANDS from everyone else.
He properly was in some type of 3rd. world country's Coast Guard
not in the U.S.A."
You never worked for money as a teenager? You lived on welfare

becuase your daddy left your momma in the Bronx? I earned my
money the hard way and the governemnt stole a portion of it to
support parasites like you. How disgusting, stealing money form a
child to support grown adults who pretend to work for the state. It
was my money and I earned thru my sweat and swine like you stole
it from me jsut like they are doing today.
Well stupid when you can tell us your name, rank, badge number
and where you work. I will state my rank in the Coast Guard. I
already did it a**wipe and notice that I posted names, places and
dates to support my post giving credilbity to the post. Something
you have yet to do liar.
See how the p*g spits on honorably discharged veterans. All the
copsters hate veterans they spit on everyday.
"He BOASTS his family was here for 300 years --- Prove It! What is
his heritage?????? His "family fought" for this country for 300
years! What a knee slapper!!!!!!! GIVE ME A FREAKIN'
BREAK!!!!!!!!!"
Prove what? This has anyhting to do with the topic of police

brutality and corruption? You demanded that I should leave my
country because I refuse to kiss a nazi copsters a**. Why should I
leave my country considering all the sacrifices my family has made
to keep my country free of nazi's like you? I want you leave my
country nazi. I want you to be shipped off to communist China
where you belong.
"He's not indigenous to this country ----- he's from elsewhere ------
JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ---- he's not so very special nor
important!!!!!"

How do you know? I was bron here thus I ma indegineous. i am

native american and yer just an amerikan.
"Betcha he's not married! No one would put up with his inane
stupidity!!! God help us if he had the unmitigated gall to
procreate!!!!!! Lord Have Mercy On Us!!!!!!!!!!!"
And this has anythign to do with the topic. I have reduced you to a
babbling idiot that has notiung to offer oru forum. I have three
children and they are all trained to kill nazi's.
A "Volunteer Firearm" Where????? Let me verify it!!!!!! As he's

stated without Names & Dates it means nothing!!!!!!!! What type of
Full Time Employment is Dickie Duncan Engaged in
currently?????????"
And where do you work? I think you are lying. You must post a
name and rank copster. Otherwise your posts mean nothing.
For someone who ALLEDGES to be a "Political Instigator" There are

no CREDENTIALS to Substantiate anything except a B.S. Blurb from
a "newspaper.""
Any blurbs about you in the papers? Can you substantiate just one
of your lies posted on this forum?
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I found some INCONGRUITIES in Dickie Duncan's Previous

Rebuttal's to my statements. It will PROVE how Full Of **** Home
Boy Really Is!
They are as follows :
A) "I have a College Degree in History."
B) "I Have a BA in Political Science - Certificate in Criminal Justice -

Certificate in Legal Investigations from CSU and Paralegal
Certificate from DPI."
C) I'm 46 junior!"
D) "In East LA During The Watts Riots I slept in the back of my Pick
Up Truck."
Here's where Dickie Duncan is EXPOSED for what he is : A Bull****

Artist or attempting to be one!
"A) College Degree in History From Where? Eh! Bull**** statement

Number #1."
You never heard of double major? People can have two degrees or
they can have a major with a minor. But of course the reason you
don't know this is becuase you never went to college did you? You
just heard about John Jay college and posted that on the fourm
didn't you?

"B) Bull**** Statement #2 : I have a BS in Political Science -

Certificate in Criminal Justice - Certificate in Legal Investigations -
from CSU & Paralegal Certificate from DPI."
No stupid I posted that I have a BA from CSU. You cannot obtain a

BS in Poilisci or in any of the liberal arts programs at CSU. A BA
means Bachelor of Arts a BS means Bachelor of Science. Soem
Universities do offer BS's is in the field of Public Administration but
it is not the norm to offer BS's in liberal arts. They stop doing this
way back in the early 80's.
"Poor Dickie Duncan can't get his Bull**** straight! He claims a

College Degree in History but dosen't state from where, then he
goes on to Bull**** further that he has a BA in Political Science --
Certificates in Criminal Justice & Legal Investigation from CSU and a
Certificate in Paralegal Studies from DPI. Who's Bull****ting
who??????????? What is DPI??????? A Certificate is a far cry from
an actual degree program stupid!!!!!!!!!"
CSU and I have posted at least three times. Any degree can be
verified by simply calling the admission and record deparment.
They will tell you when a studetn attneded and if they graduated
and what kind of degree they graduated with. they will not give you
a GPA, the number of credits or the grades of each class. This is
why employers often want transcripts. But then you didn't know
this did you becuase you have never even been to college have you?
No university offers a degree in paralegalism there is no such thing,

it doesn't exist. DPI is called Denver Paralegal Institute and was
sold to Kaplan way back in 2001. It is a six month program and
covers all the various spectrums of legal research. Community
colleges have been offering two year programs, but most lawyers
require a four year degree along with a paralegal certificate. But of
course you don't know this becuase you never went to college did
you?
CSU has no degree program in Criminal Justice and it never has.

CSU does offer a Criminal Justice certificate which requires at least
30 college credits of upper division classes most of which are
sociology classes. But the of course the reason you aren't aware of
this fact is because you never attended college.
The fact is most students today are having to obtian much more
than a basic four year degree and various college departments are
offering certficates to help students to pad their portfolios for
potential employers? I think I amassed over 200 college credits
which included two majors and two certificates.
"Anyone can walk in from the street and take a "Certificate Class!"
bThe "Certificate Program" is a NON CREDITED COURSE and you
have to be SPECIFIC about the EXACT course you TOOK! Criminal
Justice has quite a few sub specialty subjects as does Legal
Investigations! It's pretty much a PASS/Fail Agenda! I consulted the
CSU Cuririculum Handbook to VERIFY your Bull****!!!!!!! A

"Certificate Program" Does NOT HOLD any weight as does a Degree

----- Further if your Position did not REQUIRE you to take a
Certificate Program it's pretty worthless!!!!!!! People take these
"classes" to gain some insight but it's a far cry from the Regular or
Advanced Degree Programs!!!!!! So Stop Bitchin that they can't get
you a position!!!!!!!! They'e little more than "Into Courses for Adults
DUMMY!!!!!!!""
So list all of your certificates and degrees. CSU offers no sub-items

in regards to their Criminal justice Certificates. And fo course the
reason you don't know this is becuase you enver went to college.
"I consulted the CSU Cuririculum Handbook to VERIFY your

Bull****!!!!!!!'
Really? Did you call Dr. Unitthan and ask him about their Criminal
Justice certficate program? I guess not liar and ow your crebilty has
really been shot to hell motherf*cker.
If certificates hold no weight then why pray tell do they have these
certificate programs and issue these certificates? Employers
recogonize the fact that many Unversities can't offer degrees in
everyhting and are willing to accept a degree along with a
certificate. If I get Degree in Criminal Justice and compare it to a
degree in Polisci along with a certficate in Criminal Justice there
ain't a whole lot of difference in the two degrees. We are talking
about 30 extra credits of upper division classes
But of course the reason you don't know this fact is because you
have never gone to college.
You claim that I never cited the University that I had attended yet
you keep posting the name of it. CSU aka COLORADO State
University located in Ft. Collins Colorado with a student body of
over 25,000 students.
"C) "I'm 46 years old junior!" ---- That means you were born in
1958 ---- Give or take a year by your own Admission."
And your point is?
"D) "East L.A. during the Watts Riots I slept in the back of my Pick
Up Truck!""
Does the statement say "At the time I lived in east LA I was living
on the streets and out of my pickup truck?"
You asked me if I had ever lived poor. Yep I have. I lived in the
slums of east LA at the age of 8 or 9 and during the time of the
Watts riots. East LA wasn't that far from Watts. I remember vividly
riding in the back of Dad's car as we went thru Watts on our way to
the airport. Cars were turned over, building were burned to the
grown, shops window smashed etc... . That riot was started by a

white cop beating up a black man. I remember watching it all on TV

and they even called out the National Guard becuase your copsters
pals couldn't handle the situation.
Give me a Freakin' break!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!
"The Watts Riots took place on August 11, 1965!!!!! You would've
been 6 or 7 Years Old MORON!!!!!!! No where near old enough to
drive let alone OWN a Pick Up Truck!!!!!! DUH!!!!!!!!!"
Never stated that I owned a car at the time and of course I didn't
own a car at the age of 8. You asked me if i was ever poor and I
cited two cases in which I lvied poor as a small child and again as a
young adult. You didn't ask for times and locations as my life is not
relevant to the isseu at hadn which of course in police brutaltiy and
police corrupiton.
This forum isn't about me. I only answered your inane questions to
prove that you are one full of sh8t and that two the world does not
revolve around you p8gs. Other people in society have problems
that far surpass your own. We are all tired of the porker whine we
don't want to ehar aobutr you petty little problems.
You Are OUTTED for what you are ---- a Bold Faced Liar &
Bull****ter!!!!! Far from Educated!!!!!!!!! Look a your choices of
words to DESCRIBE your thoughts!!!!!!!!! Aside from the MEGA
TYPOS the WORDS USED ARE DEFINITELY WRONG!!!!!!!! Indicative
of someone who CANNOT WRITE NOR ONE WHO KNOWS WHAT
THEY"RE TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!"
Did you see the post that I was living in my pickup truck at the
same time i was living in east LA? Learn to fc8king read you sorry
sack of sh*t.
"RAVE ON DICKIE DUNCAN!!!!!! YOU MAY HAVE SOME SUCKED

INTO YOUR BULL**** BUT THAT'S ALL IT IS ---- BULL****!!!!!!"
The only guy full of crap around here is you p*g.
Tis often said :
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"This is the type of character who believes in rules ---- HIS OWN!
That's why I believe he's Bull****ing about the Coast Guard &
everything else! He'd have to ABIDE BY THE PARAMETERS OF
STRUCTURE WHICH HE OBVIOUSLY ABHORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Learn to f*cking read lair.
You can't deal with the facts and you have to resort to this inane

crap. If I never attended CSU then f*cking rpove it bitch. If I never

served in the USCG then f*cking prove it p8g. Otherwise nazi
f*ckoff and die.
At the age of 18 did you have a political ideology ****s*cker?
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Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Past-Editor, Journal of Criminal Justice Education
Posts: 9006
Umm and now would they have guy who teaches criminal justice
within the CSU Sociology department if they didn't have a
certificate program?
http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Soci...ourses.html#200
S 253 - Introduction to Criminal Justice (F,S,SS). Prerequisite: S

100 or S105.
Criminal justice as system and academic discipline. History,
philosophy. and components of criminal justice.
S 352 - Criminology (F, S, SS).

Prerequisite: S 100 or S 105.
Nature of crime in contemporary society; causation, prevention,
treatment, and administration or criminal justice system.
S 354 - Law Enforcement and Society (F,S).

Prerequisite: S 253
Rise and development of law enforcement as a societal reaction to
crime.
S 355 - Sociology of Law S).

Prerequisite: S 253.
Social origins, functions, and procedures of law in society.
S 359 - Criminal Justice Ethics (F,SS).

Prerequisite: S 253.
Definitions and analysis of standards of ethical conduct in law
enforcement, the courts, and corrections.
S 372 - Sociology of Deviance (F, S, SS).

Prerequisite: S 100 or S 105.
Description, comparison, and analysis of theories and research of
deviance.
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duncan http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Sociology/undergrad.html
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2) Criminology & Criminal Justice Concentration
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Requirements for Criminology and Criminal Justice Concentration in
Posts: 9006 Sociology (31-32 credits)
* S100 or S105
* S253
* S301 or S302
* S310
* S311
* S313
* S352 or S372
* S354
* S355 or PO 413
* S358 or SW371B/C
* S403 or S487 and S492
Additional sociology courses totalling 32 hours are required, at least

21 of which must be in upper division courses.
Specific Concentration Requirements:

A minimum of a "C-" (1.67) is required in all sociology courses used
for the major, and a 2.25 overall cumulative GPA in the
concentration.
SOCIOLOGY MINORS
1) General Sociology Minor
A minumum of 21 credits are required for the minor
Course Credits
S100 or S105 - 3
S301 or S302 - 3
S311 - 3
Elective Sociology Credits - 12
Total 21
2) Minor in Criminology and Criminal Justice
A minumum of 21 credits are required for the minor
Course Credits
S100 or S105 - 3
S253 - 3

S301 or S302 - 3
S311 - 3
Select one course from three of the

following five categories:
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S352 or S372 - 3
S354 - 3
S355 or PO413 - 3
S358 or SW371B or SW371C - 3
S464 - 3
Total 21
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04-16-2004 11:12 PM
duncan Gosh and it looks we have caught another p8g lying on the forum
Moderator as it would appear that CSU does indeed have a CJ program.
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04-16-2004 11:28 PM
duncan So why did you lie copster?

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DPI requires a two or four year degree to be admitted.
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And you lied about the CJ thing at CSU how come?
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04-16-2004 11:29 PM

Matt1 looks like you are talking to yourself again.

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04-17-2004 01:55 AM
duncan Another p*g caught in another lie.

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Why did the P8g lie? We would all like to know.
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04-17-2004 03:12 AM
DUNCAN'S A LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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CAUGHT DICKIE DUNCAN'S ASS IN BOLD FACED LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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NOW THE SUPER STUPID ASSHOLE IS BACK PEDALIN'!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE BEST BULL**** LIES?????????????????
I HAVE A DEGREE IN HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!! AHAHAHAHA!!!!!!LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
HE CITED A DUAL MAJOR AFTER CONFRONTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HE THEN BACK PEDALED FURTHER TRYING LIKE HELL TO JUSTIFY HIS BULL**** STATEMENT REGARDING THE "WATTS RIOTS" CITING
[B]I SLEPT IN THE BACK OF MY PICK UP TRUCK!!!!!! NO WHERE DID HE EVER STATE THAT IT WAS ANYONE ELSE'S ------ EXCEPT WHEN I BROUGHT UP THE
WATTS RIOTS OCURRED ON AUGUST 11, 1965 ------ THEN DICKIE DUNCAN SAID IN WAS HIS "DADY'S TWUCK!!!!!!!!!! AIN'T THAT
SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S BULL****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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HE STAY HERE & RECITE CSU FACULTY MEMBER'S NAME ALL DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE NEVER STATE THE YEAR HE GRADUATED OR HIS G.P.A.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S
BULL****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DPI MEANS NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S SIMILAR TO A "BUSINESS SCHOOL!" THERE ARE COLLEGE PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE U.S. WHICH HAVE A
REAL PARALEGAL PROGRAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT'S WHY HOMEY CAN'T GET A JOB AS HE BITCHES ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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THIS FREAK ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING FOR ANYONE BUT HIMSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE FOUND A "SYMPATHETIC" JUDGE --- WHO CLEARED THE CALANDER
& PAID HIS SORRY ASS OFF!!!!!!!!!!!! NO REAL "LEGAL" VICTORY HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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DICKIE DUNCAN FOUND AN "OUTLET" ------- THE INTERNET!!!!!!!!!

WHERE HE CAN BOAST --- RANT ---- RAVE --- INSULT ---- ETC!!!!!!!!!!
HE HAS YET TO REVEAL THE FOLLOWING :
1) WHERE HE VOLUNTEERS AS A "FIREMAN?????????"
2) THE EXACT YEARS OF ATTENDANCE AT HIS "ALLEDGED" SCHOOLS??????????
3) HIS G.P.A.?????????????????????
4) WHAT HIS DOES FOR A "LIVING"??????????????? & WHERE???????????????????????? ------- BETCHA HIS ON WELFARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!
5) WHERE HE "ACTUALLY" RESIDES?????????????? NOT THE BULL**** GIVEN IN THE NEWSPAPER ACTICLE WHICH STATED HE HAD A NEW MEXICO
LICENSE, WYOMING ADDRESS, ETC.!!!!!!!!!!!!
6) DOESN'T STATE WHETHER OR NOT MARRIED WITH CHILDREN?????????????????
THE LIST IS ENDLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YET
HE DEMANDS THESE RESPONSES TO HIS "QUESTIONS"!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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IF YOU NOTICED HE ANSWERS "WHAT HE WANTS TO ------ NOT WHAT'S POSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO BACK & CHECK DICKIE DUNCAN'S RESPONSES ------- YOU'LL SEE I'M RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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DICKIE DUNCAN YOU'RE SO FULL OF **** IT'S WELLING OUT OF YOUR CRANKED UP EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE ONLY THING YOU'VE DONE IS PROVED STUPIDITY IS ALIVE & WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KEEP ON LYING YOU ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
04-17-2004 03:11 PM
"EDUCATION"
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HEY DICKIE DUNCAN!

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WENT OUT OF YOUR WAY TO RE-TYPE WHAT A "BROCHURE" HAS ABOUT SCHOOLS??????????? LOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHO THE **** CARES WHAT THE
BUILDING & FLOORSPACE IS ?????????????????
PROVIDE US WITH "CHECKABLE" DATES THAT WE COULD "VERIFY" OTHERWISE YOUR STATEMENTS ARE FULL OF ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BETCHA YA LIVE IN A TRAILER PARK ON WELFARE & LOOK LIKE A "BILLY BOB'S CHARACTER IN SLING BLADE!!!!!"
HOW MANY TIMES DID YA GET BUSTED FOR DRUGS YOU SPACE CADET!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU LIVED IN L.A. --- CHICAGO --- N.Y.C. ---- YOU'RE ASS WOULD BE BUSTED BY THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU'D RUN TO THE POLICE
FOR HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT A ****IN' LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Matt1 ----- YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS ****IN GUY'S A BURN OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE CAN'T PLAY WITH HIS PUD SO HE ****S WITH THE INTERNET!!!!!!!!!!!LOLOL!!!!!!

04-17-2004 03:21 PM
i know duncan
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yo! i know this duncan dude he's a friggin meth freak he got lucky with a bull**** settlement because of the columbine issue but the slimy
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****bag has been in & out of jail he lives on welfare man don't have a car or nothing.
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he's bum using some poor slobs computer to crank out bull****.
he got his ass beat so many times because of his big mouth likes to call people names but hates it when the return fir
he had a skank bitch he was live with a typical crack whore she split when she found out he was a ****in broke ass bum
100000000000000000% L O S E R .
04-17-2004 03:29 PM
dickie duncan looks like yer busted!

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04-17-2004 03:31 PM
duncan So why did you lie copster?

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04-17-2004 07:50 PM

Matt1 quote:
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Originally posted by duncan
Registered: Feb 2004 So why did you lie copster?
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Is that it Duncan? That is your entire argument for being called out like a little punk? You are weak, very weak.
I may have to add this link to my post in the arena where it says how to know you have kicked Duncan's ass in a debate.
04-17-2004 09:46 PM
Matt1 Re: "EDUCATION"

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Matt1 ----- YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope you stick around and help me open up some eyes around here about Duncan's BS he spouts. Sometimes the crap gets pretty deep in here.
04-17-2004 09:49 PM
BEAT DUNCAN AT HIS OWN GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!

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YEP! I BEAT THE IDIOT AT HIS OWN GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HE CANNOT SUBSTANSTIATE ANY QUESTIONS I ASKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHAHAHALOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HE DEMANDS NAMES -- DATES --- PLACES ---- ETC --- BUT WHEN ASKED OF HIM ------ NO ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HE GOT NAILED AT HIS OWN GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALL HE CAN COME UP WITH IS AS YOU'VE STATED Matt :
"YOU LIE COPSTER!" WEAKER THAN ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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COME ON DICKIE DUNCAN ------ YOU KNOW YOU'RE THE DAMNED LIAR & BULL THROWER!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU CAN EASILY IMPRESS THE "KIDDIES" BUT WHEN YOU'RE BLUFF'S BEEN CALLED ------- YER DEAD IN DA WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEAH! YEAH! DICKIE DUNCAN SAYS : "I'M NO KID! I'M 46 JUNIOR! I SLEPT IN THE BACK OF MY PICK UP TRUCK DURING THE WATTS RIOTS!"
NOTICE DICKIE DUNCAN SAID MY PICK UP TRUCK NOT DADDY'S!!
OH! I NEARLY FORGOT THIS VITAL BIT OF INFO :::: DICKIE DUNCAN STATED HE WAS WORKING AT THE TIME OF THE RIOTS WHILE SLEEPING
IN THE BACK OF HIS PICK UP TRUCK!!!!!!!
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!
A 7 YEAR OWNING & DRIVING A PICK UP TRUCK AND WORKING!!!!!!!!
SHEESH!!!!!!!!!!!! WONDER IF DICKIE DUNCAN WAS ONE OF THE "FENCES" FOR THE HOT STUFF THAT HIS DADDY STOLE FROM THE STORE
FRONTS??????????
GIVE IT UP!!!!!!! YOU'RE CREDIBILITY IS SHOT!!!!!!!!!!

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I'LL EVEN POST DICKIE DUNCAN'S REPLY FOR HIM :
"WHY ARE YOU LYIN COPSTER!!!!!!!!!!!"
POSSIBLY FOLLOWED BY CALLING ME A SLEW OF OBSCENE NAMES BECAUSE HOMEBOY WAS OUTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!
04-18-2004 12:16 AM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. SO WHY DID YOU LIE DICKIE DUNCAN????????????

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YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED ANY QUESTIONS PUT FORTH!
Location: 1) WHAT YEAR DID YOU GRADUATE CSU?????
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2) WHAT WAS YOUR G.P.A????
3) WHERE ARE YOU EMPLOYED?????????
4) WHAT FIRE DEPARTMENT DO YOU VOLUNTEER AT????????
NAMES --- DATES --- PLACES OTHERWISE IT DON'T MEAN SHIIIITTTT!!!!!!!!
THESE ARE YOUR RULES
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NO DOUBT YOU WON'T RESPOND BECAUSE YOU'RE THE FOCKIN LIAR!
WE ALL KNOW HOW HARD YOU WORKED AT AGE 7!!!!!!LOLOL --- ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
YA WORKED SO HARD YOU SLEPT IN THE BACK OF YOUR PICK UP TRUCK DURING THE WATTS RIOTS ON AUGUST 11, 1965!!!!!!
SHIIIITTTTT!!!!! YOU SHOULDA STAYED IN WATTS THEY LET A 7 YEAR OLD OWN AND DRIVE HIS VERY OWN PICK UP TRUCK!!!!!!!!
GEE!!!!!! I SUPPOSE YOU'RE AN ARCHITECT!!!!!!! WHAT THE FOCK DO I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE FLOOR SPACE AND BUILDING DESIGN OF
DPI??????
ANY AZZHOLE CAN CLICK ONLINE TO THE SITE & GLEAN THAT INFO!!!!!!!!!
IT'S STILL NOT A COLLEGIATE COURSE!!!!!!! ANYBODY COULD TAKE A "CERIFICATE COURSE!" THAT'S THE REASON YA CAN'T GET A JOB
WITH IT STOOPID!!!!!!! YA CAN'T SPELL WORTH A SHIIIIITTTT EITHER & YA MISUSE USE THE WORDS YOU DO USE MORON!!!!!
******CHECK YOU REPLIES******
GUESS YA GOT THE "CRANK SHAKES!" LMAO
FIRST YA SAY YA GOT A [U]HISTORY DEGREE THEN WHEN I POINT OUT YA BACK PEDALED YOU BULLSHIIIITTT MORE AND STATE YA GOT A
DUAL MAJOR!!!!!!!
YA MUST BE A PRETTY BIG "DUDE" TO LIVE IN 3 STATES AT ONCE!!!!! WYOMING - COLORADO & NEW MEXICO!!!!!!
******MOST IMPORTANT********

YOU'RE AFRAID TA REVEAL YA ADDRESS IN DA PAPER!!!! WHY?????? YA CHICKENSHIIIITTTT!!!!
LIKE TA ASK DA QUESTIONS BUT NOT ANSWER EM!!!!!!!!!!
YOU THINK EVERYBODY'S GOTTA SIDE WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU FOCKED UP!!!!! WHAT'S DA MATTER DICKIE DUNCAN ---- YOU WANT TA
LIVE WITH DA AL QAIDA LIKE YA SHOULD???????
GIVE UP YOUR CITIZENSHIP YA AIN'T NO AMERICAN!!!!!!! YOU'RE A FOCKEN TRAITOR!!!!!!! ANOTHER COUNTRY WOULD EXECUTE YOUR AZZ
FOR THIS BULL**** & YOU KNOW IT!!!!!
WHAT A SCHMUCK!!!!!!!!!!
04-18-2004 08:08 AM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. Hey Matt1!

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YOU GOT PLENTY OF SUPPORT! I JUST WHIPPED HIS AZZ BUT GOOD!!!!!
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04-18-2004 08:10 AM
duncan So evil copster why did you lie about the CSU CJ program and the DPI thing?
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I'm not here to serve you or answer your questions. This isn't your forum and the forum is not aobut me it's about police corruption and police brutality.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado So why did you lie?
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04-18-2004 12:59 PM

BLUE IN N.Y.C. HEY DICKIE DUCAN!!!!!!!

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Location: NAMES --- DATES ---- PLACES!!!!!! IF YOU CANNOT PROVIDE THESE YOUR ANSWERS DON'T MEAN SHIIITTT TO
Posts: 667 ANYONE!!!!
THESE ARE YOUR RULES NOT MINE!!!!!
IF YOU'RE SUCH A FIERCE PROPONENT OF "CITIZENS RIGHTS" THEN YOU'D BE PROUD TO POST YOUR
"CREDENTIALS"!!!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------TTHIS "THREAD" IS ABOUT THE POLICE HAVING A DIFFICULT JOB!!!!!!!
NO WHERE DID YOUR BULLCRAP REGARDING CORRUPTION OR [U]YOUR PERSONAL VENUES ENTER INTO THIS THREAD!!!!!
YOU'RE SO "IN LOVE WITH YOURSELF" YOU WORMED YOUR WAY IN AS FORUM "MODERATOR/CONTRIBUTOR" AND YOU DON'T HAVE A
FOCKIN CLUE WHAT THIS IS ABOUT!!!!!!!
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THESE ARE YOUR STATEMENTS NOT MINE :
1) I'VE A DEGREE IN HISTORY!

YEAH RIGHT! GIVE ME THE YEAR & DATE YOU ALLEDGEDLY "GRADUATED" PLUS YOUR G.P.A.!!!!!! I'LL SPEND THE TIME VERIFYING IT!!!!!! I
LOVE TO EXPOSE MORONS FOR WHAT THEY ARE!!!!!!!!
2) THE FOLLOWING IS YOUR STATEMENT VERBATIM!
"I AM 46 JUNIOR! I'VE LIVED MORE LIFE......"
TO WIT : " EAST L.A. DURING THE WATTS RIOTS YEP! I'VE BEEN SO DIRTY POOR THAT I HAD TO SLEEP IN THE BACK OF MY PICK UP TRUCK
EVEN THOUGH I WAS WORKING AT THE TIME...."
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh! LET'S SEE!!!!! 46 YEARS OLD YOU SAY???????? YOUR YEAR OF BIRT WOULD BE 1958!!!!!!! MAKING YOU APPROXIMATELY 7
YEARS OLD DURING THE WATTS RIOTS!!!!!
3) I'M A "NATIVE AMERICAN!" YEAH? WHAT TRIBE YOU ILLITERATE IMPOSTER!!!!!
4) MY FAMILY HAS BEEN HERE OVER 300 YEARS. THEY FOUGH & DIED FOR THIS COUNTRY. THEY'RE "PLANTED" IN THE LOCAL CEMITARY!"
WHY SHOULD I LEAVE THIS COUNTRY????
NICE SENTIMENTS IF TRUE ABOUT YOUR "FAMILY" THEY'RE PROBABLY TURNING IN THEIR GRAVES WITH THE LIKES OF YOU AND YOUR
BULLCRAP!!!!
WHY SHOULDA YA LEAVE!!!!!! EVERY STATEMENT IS "ANTI-AMERICAN!" THE WORLD ACCORDING TO DICKIE DUNCAN! DO AS I SAY NOT AS I
DO!!!!!!
ANYWHERE ELSE YOU'D BE IMPRISONED OR EXECUTED FOR YOUR TREASONESS STATEMENTS AND CARRYING ON!!!!!!!!!!
THE "EXPRESSIONS YOU USE DO NOT COMMENSURATE WITH THE PROPER TERMINOLOGY! --- YOUR SPELLING IS ATROCIOUS!!! REFLECTING
THE LACK OF EDUCATION!!!!!
THE TERM IS "DIRT POOR" --- CHECK YOUR SPELLING!!!!!! "APART" OF THE CLASS??????? INDIGNOS? MNA FOR "MY"!!!!!RNOU INSTEAD OF
"OUR"!!!!!!! DUH!
3) THERE ARE NO GANGS IN "FORT COLLINS" I DON'T LIVE IN A "GANG INFESTED AREA........."
SUCH REASONABLE DEDUCTIVE POWERS!!!!!!! MUST'VE COME FROM THOSE ULTRA HIGH PASS/FAIL "CERTIFICATE CORSES" YA TOOK !!!!
MY WHAT A "man of the woild" AS YOU WOULD SPELL "world!" LOL!!!!!!

HEY WAKE UP YOU JERK!!!!!!! GANGS WILL APPROACH YOU NOT THE "OTHER" WAY AROUND!!!!!!!!
4) YOU QUOTE CHAPTER & VERSE OF "DPI'S" BUILDING FLOORPLAN PLUS YOU EXCERPTED THE COURSE DESCRIPTION FROM WHAT YOU
FOUND ONLINE AS YOU DID WITH THE CSU PROGRAM!!!!!
GET A FOCKIN GRIP!!!!!!
5) THE BULLCRAP OF YOUR "CASE" IS A JOKE!!!!!! YOUR ATTORNEY PICKED UP THE CHECK FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU WERE SO FOCKIN
AFRAID TO SHOW YOU FACE IN THE COURTHOUSE YOU NUTLESS WONDER!!!!!!!
5) YOU'VE BEEN "OUTTED" AND YOUR ONLY REPLY IS A WEAK STREAM OF LUKEWARM PIZZ, "WHY DID YOU LIE COPSTER?"
PUUUUUUULLLLLEEEEEZZZZZEEEEE!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ALL OF THE ABOVE LEADS ME TO BELIEVE ONE OF TWO THINGS :
A) YOU ARE NOT "DICKIE" DUNCAN DUANE PHILIP BUT A "CYBER PUNK" UNDER 18 ASSUMING AN IDENTITY!!!!!!!
OR
B) YOU ARE "DICKIE" DUNCAN DUANE PHILIP THE UNEDUCATED - WELFARE RECIPIENT - CYBER PUNK "WANNA BE" POLITICAL
INSTIGATOR BUT DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE!!!!!!!!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I DO KNOW SEVERAL THINGS ABOUT YOU THOUGH!!!!!!!!
A) YOU'RE DUMBER THAN DOG CRAP & THOROUGHLY UNEDUCATED!!!!!
YOUR REPLIES ATTEST TO THIS FACT!!! YOU'RE VIRTUALLY UNEDUCATED ---- HAVE A LOT OF TIME ON YOUR HANDS TO "PLAY" WITH THE
COMPUTER & TRYING TO BUILD UP AN "ONLINE CHARACTER" ---- YOU CAN'T SPELL WORTH A DAMN!!!! YOU USE "IMPROPER
TERMINOLOGY" ---- EXAMPLES : DIRTY POOR; REFERS TO POLICE OFFICERS AS "TAX CONSUMERS" --- CONSUMERS ARE THOSE WHO
PURCHASE ITEMS AND/OR GOODS; INSTEAD OF BEING "A PART" OF THE CLASS --- YOU'RE "APART" OF IT; "MA FAMILY IS [U]INDEGNOS TO THIS
COUNTRY; THE LIST IS ENDLESS!!!!!!!
YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER A QUESTION POSED TO YOU ----- INSTEAD YOU "TRY" TO INTIMIDATE" & RESORT TO NAME CALLING WHICH IS A CLEAR
EXPRESSION OF INEPTNESS & THOSE WITH SOMETHING TO HIDE!!!
MOST OF ALL YOU LIE ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE!!!!!!!
THE "KICKER" WAS THE AGE YOU'VE CITED WAS A DEAD GIVE AWAY!!!!!!!!! LOLOL!!!! ROTFFLMAO!!!!!!!
DON'T EMBARASS YOURSELF FURTHER!!!!! GIVE IT UP!!!!!!

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IT'D BE SOOOOOOOOOOOOO EASY FOR ME TO "VERIFY" YOUR STATEMENTS BUT SINCE YOU REFUSE TO SUBSTANTIATE ANY OF YOUR CLAIMS YOUR
CREDIBILITY IS NULL & VOID!!!!!!!!!
YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! I KNOW!!!!! THIS WILL BE YOUR RESPONSE :
"WHY DO YOU LIE "COPSTER?" THIS AIN'T ABOUT ME!"
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I'LL TELL YOU WHAT -----

ANSWER ALL OF MY QUESTIONS SO THAT I MAY VERIFY YOUR CREDIBILITY & I'LL REVEAL WHATEVER YOU ASKED!!!!!!
BET YOU WON'T !!!!!!!!!!!!
BECAUSE YOU'RE FULL OF DOG DUNG YOU ILLERATE JACKAL!!!!!!!!

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YOU WANT TO GET "GRUNGDY" WITH NAME CALLING????
YOUR MOMMA SHOULDA SPIT YOUR AZZ OUT INTO A PINIC NAPKIN OR SWALLOWED YOU!!!!!!
WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT "SNIFFIN" CROTCH PADS??? OH! YOU'RE THE FREAK CHASIN' WOMEN'S LAUNDRY IN THE LAUNDROMAT!!!!!! IN WAS IN THE
FORT COLLINS NEWSPAPERS!!!!!!!
SO YA GOT A MEASLY 3" INCHES!!! KEEP ON PULLING THAT PUD JUNIOR ---- IT MAY GROW!!!!! YA KNOW YA KIN HAVE SURGERY TO MAKE IT BIGGER BUT
THAN YOUR SISTER MIGHT NOT LIKE IT --- YOU SAID SHE WAS ONLY 6!!!!!!!!!!
I HEARD YA HAD TO MOVE OUTTA OF A FEW STATES BECAUSE YOU WERE INTO BEASTIALITY!!!!!!!! THAT $20G's SETTLEMENT WILL BE RESTITUTION FOR
ALL THOSE POOR DEFENSELESS CATS - DOGS - LAMBS & PONIES YA TRIED TO SCREW TO DEATH IN WYOMING - NEW MEXICO - COLORADO &
CALIFORNIA TO NAME SOME OF THE SPOTS YOU'VE BEEN ABUSING ANIMALS!!!!!
I HEARD YOUR NICKNAME WAS "CHUPACABRE!!!!!!" SINCE YOU LEFT THE AFOREMENTIONED STATES THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY "MYSTERIOUS" DEATHS
OF ANY SMALL ANIMALS OR DOMESTIC FARM ANIMALS!!!!!!! AND WHO SEZ 3" INCHES AIN'T ENUFFF!!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------HEY Matt1!!!!!!!! YOU CAN PUT THIS ROUND IN THE "ARENA" UNDER
THE HEADING OF "HOW TO TELL WHEN YA WHUPPED DICKIE DUNCAN'S AZZE!"
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
04-18-2004 06:03 PM
Uncle Freddy Your gonna give Duncan a heart attack?

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:confused: Well....you guys are gonna give Duncan either a heart attack....or work him into a lather?!
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Why don't you guys just meet online and play competitive chess or something like that.
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04-18-2004 09:05 PM
duncan It's alwasy fun to watch a ***gy squeel.

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SQEEEEEEL!!!!!!!!! oink oink
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Hey if you don't think I went to CSU then prove it.
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So why do you lie copster?
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04-18-2004 10:01 PM

BLUE IN N.Y.C. nOT A PROBLEM!!!!!! gIVE ME THE YEAR YOU "GRADUATED!!!!!!

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Registered: Apr 2004 WHAT'S THE MATTER DICKIE CAT GOT YOUR TONGUE!!!!!!!!
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ANSWER WHAT WAS SET BEFORE YOU!!!!!!
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duncan So why did you lie about the CSU CJ program and the DPI thing?
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Hey just call CSU if you want to know when I graduated.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado I got me a BA, yes I do and what will it do for me?
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Give me C-R-E-D-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y some thing ya can't get from a mail
order course called the Johhn Jay School of C.J. .
hahahahhahahahaha
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04-19-2004 10:58 AM
Matt1 duncan you got spanked again. Unless you refute what was just
Senior Member said about you, I assume it is all true. Don't just say he lied prove
it. Post what year you graduated from college.
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04-19-2004 01:12 PM
duncan Refute what?

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I have a BA in Political Science and History from CSU along with a
Registered: Jul 2003 certficate in Criminal Justice and a Legal Investigation certificate
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado also from CSU and a certificate from DPI.
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I can't post a transcript on any forum. If you don't believe me then
call the CSU and DPI records department and ask them. You don't
need a year of graduation all you need is my name. Other than the
dead cop how many people do you know named Duncan Philp that
attended CSU? Although many people who have the last name Philp
have in fact graduated from CSU, many of whom are family
members, no one ever named Duncan Philp has ever graduated
from CSU except me.
So why did you lie about me?
You refuse to tell us which University you attended or the year of

your graduation if you did in fact graduate.
You want me to post my credentiasl and I have yet you refuse to

post yours. How come?
Ya see there is that old double standard of copsters and the very
reason this forum exists.

Yer fellow nazi lost the debate at the point he started to lie about
me and pray tell why is the year so important to you?
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04-19-2004 01:52 PM
Hey Ducan!
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This dude in nyc got your number man he caught your ass in a
Registered: Not Yet huge lie.
Location:
Posts: N/A You've stated elsewhere you don't hve a high school diploma yet
you have a college degree and was in the coast guard?
Who bull****ing who? You need a high school diploma to go onto

to college UNLESS you forged your own transcripts. With your
history anything is possible.
I've been reading this forum since last september 2003 and all I see
is you contradicting yourself.
When you're cornered you accuse your challenger with lying or get
stupid cursing them. A true sign of education. man what bag of
****.
04-19-2004 05:38 PM

duncan I don't have a high schoiol diploma I have a GED. I picked it up

Moderator while in the Coast Guard.
Registered: Jul 2003 If you don't think that I graduated from CSU then all you have to do
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado is call them.
Posts: 9006
Back in 1976 you didn't need a high school diploma to join the US
Coast Guard or for that matterany brinch of the military.
Now c*cks*ckers you have been caught in antother one of your P*G
f*cking lies.
All you f*cking swine can do is lie this is your entire f8cking game
bitch.
I think yer lying this is a new post for you. prove that you have
been here since 2003.
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04-19-2004 06:15 PM

duncan Why lookie at what we have here. A link to the CSU campus paper
Moderator the Rocky Mountain Collegian. And lookie what they wrote about
me. Now why pray tell would they bother to do stories about a non-
Registered: Jul 2003 student? Or even bother to print that students letters to the editor?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Golly gee you tell me.
Posts: 9006
You been busted porkey and you just lost another round with the
master p8g killer and that'd be me of course.
http://www.collegian.com/vnews/disp...c9?in_archive=1
Reopening the Waco wounds
Ben Koerselman
February 28, 2000
Stories of passion and conspiracy were among those shared when

an Emmy Award-winning filmmaker spoke on campus Monday night.
Documentary film producer and researcher Michael McNulty

lectured and presented clips from his documentary "WACO: A New
Revelation" to a group of about 75 community members in Lory
Stud-ent Center Main Ballroom. The film raises several questions
about how federal agencies handled a siege on a Branch Davidian
compound almost seven years ago, and points to a possible cover-
up in the affair.
On Feb. 28, 1993, federal agents with the Bureau of Alcohol,

Tobacco and Firearms instituted a raid on a Branch Davidian
compound near Waco, Texas. The raid was intended to capture the
leader of the Davidians, David Koresh, who was wanted on illegal
weapons charges. It was ultimately unsuccessful, leading to the
deaths of four ATF agents and a 51-day stand-off with the cult. In
the end, 79 men, women and children were killed when the
compound burned to the ground following the siege, which was run
by the Federal Bureau of Investigations.
McNulty, who won an Emmy for "WACO: The Rules of Engage-

ment," a previous film delving into the disaster, has been
researching the story ever since. His research helped to bring about
new congressional investigations into the event and has led to some
unexpected revelations in the case.
In August of last year, Attorney General Janet Reno revealed that

the FBI fired several pyrotechnic, military tear-gas rounds during
the showdown with the Davidians. The FBI had previously denied
that any such "hot" devices had been used in the confrontation. The
official in-vestigation is still on-going.
Following a playing of "The Fire of the Heart," a song which Mc-

Nulty later praised for its passion, and the recitation of the pledge
of allegiance, McNulty lectured on the importance of the public to
have "passion" for the causes that concern it.
"Passion is a funny thing," he said. "It can accomplish a lot of good,

but in the wrong hands, it can do great evil."
McNulty referenced several modern examples of people who have

died at the hands of law enforcement — including Vicky Weaver of
Ruby Ridge and Amadou Diallo of New York — before adding Waco
to the list.
"(Waco) presented one of the worst, most horrible law enforcement

actions in our nation's history," McNulty said.
The clips from the movie presented evidence that FBI officers,
possibly working with agents from a secret military agency
commonly known as "Delta Force," opened fire on the compound.
McNulty was able to acquire a Forward-Looking Infrared, or FLIR,
video that he, and the experts in the film, claim shows several
agents firing automatic weapons. The FBI has adamantly denied
these charges, saying that absolutely no shots were fired during the
siege, and that it never received help from a "Delta Force."
Another clip purportedly shows that the FBI planted a shape-charge

— a type of demolition charge — to cut a hole in a concrete bunker
where it was believed Koresh was holed up prior to the siege.
According to the film, the charge set off a large explosion from a
ruptured propane tank located nearby. An FBI agent in the film
denies the charges, stating that it "would have been impossible" to
place the explosive on the bunker.
"You don't have to be scientists to understand how this stuff

works," McNulty said. "People need to see it, and make up their
own minds. That is what (the film is meant to) do."
McNulty's presentation was brought to campus by the Student

Advocacy for the Politically Incorrect. According to club director
Andrew Long, a senior majoring in history, the club brings speakers
to the campus in order "to disseminate ideas that one wouldn't
normally be exposed to in a traditional setting.
"We don't officially endorse the ideas of any of the speakers. We

just offer them a forum to speak," he said.
The secretary of the club, Duncan Philp, a senior majoring in

political science, is attempting to get access to the Lory Student
Center theater for a future full screening of the film.
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04-19-2004 06:28 PM
duncan The secretary of the club, Duncan Philp, a senior majoring in

Moderator political science, is attempting to get access to the Lory
Student Center theater for a future full screening of the film.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Holy f8cking sh8t Batman a senior majoring in political science.
Posts: 9006
You been f8cking hosed p*ggy and I want to hear you squeel.
I just kicked yer p8g a** and suckered you right into my trap.
Suckers hahahhahahahaha
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04-19-2004 06:30 PM
duncan And lookie here another story about yours truely from the CSU
Moderator paper.
Registered: Jul 2003 ACLU member threatens student organization

Posts: 9006 By Matthew Garrington
February 20, 1998
Just days before Colorado State University's October showing of

Waco: Rules of Engagement , Student Organizations Coordinator
Peggy Griffith received a phone call from a man identifying himself
as a member of Colorado's American Civil Liberties Union chapter.
The ACLU member was angered because CSU's Student Advocacy
for the Politically Incorrect printed flyers listing the ACLU as a
sponsor for Mike McNulty's controversial film on the Waco incident.
The civil liberties advocate argued that the ACLU had given no
permission to be a listed sponsor. He was furious with SAPI's
supposed misrepresentation of the ACLU. "He wanted the
organization folded," Griffith said. When Griffith asked him to repeat
his name and to put the complaint in writing he said, "I don't have
time for that" and hung up, she said. To the surprise of Colorado's
state ACLU chapter, SAPI had indeed received permission from the
Fort Collins' ACLU chapter to list them as a sponsor. Late last
spring, the Fort Collins chapter viewed Waco: Rules of Engagement.
The response was overwhelmingly positive from the local chapter,
and the group found no qualms with sponsorship. A lack of
communication persisted over the summer months between the
local and state ACLU chapters and SAPI. The state chapter decided
that the ACLU would not support a film that California's and Utah's
ACLU chapters had already sponsored. No attempt to communicate
with SAPI was made until SAPI treasurer Duncan Philp already had
begun posting the film's flyers. Philp, an original founder of Fort
Collins' ACLU chapter in the fall of 1992, finds the ACLU's lack of
support of the Waco film absurd. "I think that this just shows that
the ACLU has a political agenda. Why else would you not support
this film?" Philp said. "If you really support the first amendment,
then you should not have any problem endorsing this film." Jim Joy,
executive director of Colorado's ACLU chapter, officially retracted
the threats made by the assuming ACLU member. Joy informed
Griffith that the man "gets emotional" about things. As to the
reason why the ACLU of Colorado did not support the Waco film,
Joy said, "We do not sponsor any books or movies." After realizing
the wrongdoings that the ACLU committed against Griffith and
SAPI, Joy and the ACLU apologized to Griffith. Joy also faxed
Griffith "to officially inform you that the ACLU of Colorado has not
endorsed and is not sponsoring in any manner the film Waco:Rules
of Engagement." Joy also requested that the ACLU's name be
removed from any forms of media used in the promotion of the
film. Ironically enough, the national ACLU chapter in Washington, D.
C. contacted Griffith to ask her if there was a student chapter of the
ACLU on campus on the same day as the threatening phone call.

http://www.collegian.com/vnews/disp...fd?in_archive=1
Holy f8cking sh*t batman the p*ggies are squeeling today.
No attempt to communicate with SAPI was made until SAPI

treasurer Duncan Philp already had begun posting the film's
flyers. Philp, an original founder of Fort Collins' ACLU
chapter in the fall of 1992, finds the ACLU's lack of support
of the Waco film absurd. "I think that this just shows that
the ACLU has a political agenda. Why else would you not
support this film?" Philp said. "If you really support the first
amendment, then you should not have any problem
endorsing this film."
My how embarassing for you evil copsters and the ACLU.
There are of course even more articles but they came out before
the advent of internet archiving.
Hahahahahahhahahahahaha
Crebility talks bullsh*t walks.
Now it is my turn p8ggies.
What year did you gradute from John Jay and what the f8ck is your
name liar?
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04-19-2004 06:41 PM

duncan Hohoho I just love f8cking with stupid p8gs and they fall for the
Moderator crap every f8cking time.
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04-19-2004 06:51 PM
duncan Why lookie here who has been busted in a lie.

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04-19-2004 07:01 PM
Matt1 just because he didn't post an occupasion doesn't mean he doesn't

Senior Member have one. I didn't post mine either and you have no problem
believing that I am an officer.
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The more I think of it...being a cop is tough
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I don't think "Professional agitator" is a real job. But when you

don't have a job, it is as close as you will get.
04-19-2004 09:12 PM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. [B] Dickie Duncan

Senior Member
Are you HUNCHED BACK ala QUASSI MOTO????? You should be!!!!!
Registered: Apr 2004 Keep on CONGRATULATING yourself on Bullshiittt!!!! Keep Patting
Location: yourself on the back THE HUMP THAT YOU ARE WILL APPEAR!!!!!
Posts: 667
I phoned CSU at the alumni office Ms. Griffith refused to "comment"
on anything about Duncan Philp!!!
I did find another who did say you were an EMBARASSMENT & CSU
would rather not associate their name with you!!ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!
Geeez!!!!What RESPECT CSU HOLDS FOR SUCH AN ESTEEMED

ALUMNUS!!!! Man that's PITIFUL!!!!!!!!
Service to YOUR country as a Coastie???? But in the same BREATH

YOU BOAST ABOUT YOUR POSITION AS AN "ANARKIST & MILITIA
MAN" WAITING TO TAKE OUT EVERY COPSTER ON EVERY LEVEL!!!!
You should be DEPORTED to a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY --- You'd

be most useful there!!! Your nothing short of a HATE MONGER
Cyber Punk Threatening Others!!!!!!
Yer azz should be DELERIOUSLY HAPPY they "Permit" you to live

here --- Your treasonistic AZZ Should be EXILED!!!!!
No Volunteer Fire Department s have EVER HEARD of You Nor Do

they list you as as a VOLUNTEER!! WHY YOU LYIN' DUNCAN?????
You DON'T WORK!!!! You've got a "PLea" for posted to RAISE

MONEY FOR YOUR DEFENSE FUND BECAUSE YOU CAUGHT A "BUM
RAP GUN CHARGE" from the "negro" Mayor of Denver!!!
Your Solicitation of FUNDS was BOGUS!!!!!
It was alledgedly because you "sacraficed yourself" in order to

"EXERCISE SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS!!!"
The SUCKERS that GAVE THEIR HARD EARNED CASH TO YOU WERE
FLEECED!!!! Your "protest" is to feed your "militia" and permit you
to "coast" instead of getting up off your lazy lyin azz and work!!!
The Cash settlement of $20G's went to purchase a .50 Caliber
BARRET! You sent a "ctesy" Email to Tom Mauser boasting this fact
but INTIDATING HIM by stating he "pimped his dead son." Gee
Duncan YOUR SUCH A FOCKIN MACHO MAN! If you were truly
championing rights there was other ways to use the cash!!!
YOU LIE TRY TO MIND FOCK READERS & YOUR A ANARKIST!!!!!!!!

MOST OF ALL A PIECE OF SHIIITTTT!!!!!!!
04-19-2004 09:33 PM
duncan Like you have access to every volunteer fire department in the
Moderator country.
Registered: Jul 2003 Peggy doesn't work at the alumni office she works for student
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado organizations. You didn't bother to read the article I see.
Posts: 9006
So why did you lie copster?
What year did you graduate?
So why can't you link any sources to your incredible inforamtion?
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04-19-2004 11:36 PM

Matt1 I hardly doubt the conversation he had with CSU is on the internet.
Senior Member He posted names and what they said about you Duncan, you must
feel like a real idiot. Maybe you should put that .50 cal in your
Registered: Feb 2004 mouth and pull the trigger. Tell him what firedepartment you work
Location: for so he can verify it. If you want to make him look stupid, give
Posts: 1818
him the name. You won't because you know you are busted.
Great work NYC.
04-20-2004 02:22 AM
duncan All he had to do was post a phone number so that everone on the
Moderator board could call to see if what he said was true.
Registered: Jul 2003 And it looks like he lied again.

Posts: 9006 Let me see he went form me being a high school dropout to never
attending college to attending college and never graduating to
graduating to now thye won't acknowledge me at the alumni
association.
So which is it make up your f*cking mind.
There are 25,000 students at CSU and many many more than that
have graduated over the years. On the average about 4,000
students graduate every semester. They don't know me from squat
nor do they care about me at the alumni association. Students have
little to no interaction withe alumni association and in fact their
offices are off campus. The alumni assocaiton is just a glorified
cheap a** charity organization that does nothing for students past
and present. If you want to know if someone graduated then you
call the records deparment and notice how the liar didn't do that.
So back to the question.
Why did you lie?
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04-20-2004 01:01 PM
duncan Where do you copsters work we need to verify your existence.

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Matt1 I assure you, I do exist.

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duncan You exist only in your mind.

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Matt1 so who are you talking to if I don't exist?

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duncan I'm talking to phoney sack sh8t.

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BLUE IN N.Y.C. duncan

Senior Member
In case you've missed the post in the "Arena" I'll give you a
Registered: Apr 2004 chance to re-think the following statements :
Location:
Posts: 667 1) I have a degree in Polictical Science & History from CSU .
2) I have 2 Certificates from CSU :
Certificate in "Criminal Justice" and in "Legal Investigation"
3) "Dr. Standing Bear" was your instructor at CSU.
4) "Dr.Standing Bear" was a Police Officer in New York City
5) "Dr. Standing Bear" made you buy a Newsletter from John

Jay.

6) "Dr. Standing Bear" was an Instructor at John Jay
Tell me, you seem impressed with Standing Bear, if he was

your Instructor what Subject did he teach?
You'll IMPRESS me if you can answer these questions.
04-21-2004 09:47 AM
duncan now it is your turn punk to answer my questions otherwise you are
Moderator no longer worthy of any responses.
Registered: Jul 2003 Who are you?

Posts: 9006 Where do you work?
Why are you here?
Why did you lie about the CSU thing?
Why did you lie about the DPI thing?
Why do you asl about Dr. Standing Bear?
The answer to your question about him is in the posts stupid. He

teaches Criminal Justice. He was at CSU for about five years and
now he is with CU in Colorado Springs which is an extension
program of CU Boulder.
Why do you alwyas fail to quote pople correctly of even cite a

source?
Where did I post that Dr. Standing bear was an instructor at John
Jay?
Prior to teaching at CSU he came from Florida. Standing Bear is

also a retired Army type he was a military copster in the Army.
You need a link?
Do you want to talk to Dr. Stanidng bear and verify that I was in
fact one of his students?
Not a problem becuase I have crediblity and you don't.
So why did you lie aobut Dr. Standing Bear?
Show me liar.
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04-21-2004 11:35 AM
BLUE IN N.Y.C.
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duncan
Location: I'm "liberal!" One more chance! Last shot! Own up to it!
Posts: 667
When I do post I'll start a new thread! C'mon last call before the
fall! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
04-22-2004 09:15 AM
Matt1 Why do I get the feeling you have a trick or two up your sleeve
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BLUE IN N.Y.C.
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Matt1!
Location: You're right on point brother!
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04-22-2004 11:32 AM
GOD COP all this time i thought that duncan was a janitor at csu! duncan,
Senior Member didn't some guy prove on another forum that you were assigned to
clean up after the very student body that you claim to be a part of?
at least cleaning toilets is honest work!
Registered: Aug 2003

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04-22-2004 01:15 PM
duncan now it is your turn punk to answer my questions otherwise you are
Moderator no longer worthy of any responses.
Registered: Jul 2003 Who are you?

Posts: 9006 Where do you work?
Why are you here?
Why did you lie about the CSU thing?
Why do you asl about Dr. Standing Bear?
The answer to your question about him is in the posts stupid. He

teaches Criminal Justice. He was at CSU for about five years and
now he is with CU in Colorado Springs which is an extension
program of CU Boulder.
Why do you alwyas fail to quote pople correctly of even cite a

source?

Where did I post that Dr. Standing bear was an instructor at John
Jay?
Prior to teaching at CSU he came from Florida. Standing Bear is

also a retired Army type he was a military copster in the Army.
You need a link?
Do you want to talk to Dr. Stanidng Bear and verify that I was in
fact one of his students?
Not a problem because I have crediblity and you don't.
So why did you lie aobut Dr. Standing Bear?
All copsters are leftist liberals as they believe in liberating other

people money visa via taxation and then keeping it for their greedy
selves.
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04-22-2004 08:48 PM

Matt1 quote:
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Registered: Feb 2004 All copsters are leftist liberals as they believe in
Location: liberating other people money visa via taxation
Posts: 1818 and then keeping it for their greedy selves.
You couldn't be more wrong here. I have only voted for one
Democrat in my life and he is highly pro-lawenforcement. Everyone
else I have voted for is conservative.
By the way, you have never told me who you voted for in 2000. I
have told everyone more than once.
04-22-2004 09:24 PM
duncan You are in fact a socialist based on your lifes actions.

Moderator
You worship that state as if it is a god.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado You support taxation and then live off of that taxation.
Posts: 9006
Socialism is where the many are taxed to support the few.
Socialsim is where the state owns the means of production and the
state owns and controls you.
You are in fact what you claim to hate. You hate yourself and we
can understand why.
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04-23-2004 11:36 AM
Uncle Freddy Who could blame the slob "wonderboy"

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:confused: Matt "the wonderboy" almost got banned along with his
FBI pal (Jaquan the Uncle Tom Nazi dick sucker)...GODSLOP...AND
Location:
Posts: 116 "Blue faggot NYPD":
1) "Wonderboy" of course loves the police state because it gives

him money with no expectation of any sort of performance....it
gives him criminal immunity and civil immunity in which the slime
don't pay any sort of damages or court costs....he gets to con
people into believing he is a pinnacle of virtue, righteousness, and
authority...
.....he and his ilk can deny all cop felonies....he has a license to kill
anybody pulling a cellphone.....he has a pension....and he is
surrounded by "other illiterate, over rated, lazy, violent, scum who
all support he group's delusion of grandeur".....he and his ilk also
are enabled and sanctioned by prosecutors, judges, and jurors "who
are all too willing to suck his dick" anytime he is accused of
committing a felony.
2) The Police State is Socialism or Communism isn't it Duncan?!
3) America...is a con. Uncle Faggot takes tax money....gives it to

government gravy sucking slime....and "we all slap each other on
the back as we demonized the commies....who do the same thing in
a more honest way (they don't have an IRS....but it is the same
result).
America uses the IRS to do what Joesoph Stalin did...."oppress

people....turn them into little unproductive slaves....and control all
aspects of their life." The IRS and FBI Faggots....do the same thing,
but employ a con in which "the sheeple believe they are free"
despite the fact citizens get shaken down by a mafia shylock for 20-
34% of THEIR INCOME?!
YUP....UNCLE SAM THE FAGGOT....IS REALLY A MAFIA SHYLOCK

AND THE IRS AND FBI ARE JUST THE MAFIA GOONS DOING
COLLECTIONS?!
The puppet masters known as "the ruling elites" by left wing

intellectual Noam Chomski.....were brilliant at getting morons like
Matt to believe the Commies were the enemy and had a terrible life
of oppression (which they did).....while ignoring "the oppression of
taxes to feed Matt and his ilk....who do little or nothing until they
are called in to do something that is unregulated and given

"ineffable status" where "no one can question the government"

because "they are too smart and too honest for mere mortals to
criticize."
Face it....the military and copland...."wants all citizens to be stupid

and subservient and submissive to their authority" so they can all
benefit from a bogus "social rank" premised on "bogus social
power?!"
Face it Matt "the wonderboy"....you copscum only monitor

Copwatch because you want to hear what "those gutless,
subservient, submissive, naive, gullible, sheeple are saying about
the bully cop liars?!"
Face it copsters...."you want citizens to suck your dick" and after

they do it....you want to monitor their conversations and PLAY GOD
as your all drunk on the power of criminality, and predatory
psychodynamics in which you feel amazing drunk on the power of
"omnipotence" and "omniscience" just like.........
..............."a group of Tomcats playing with a herd of little scared

mice and rats" who have been cornered for your own
entertainment,"
{I like cats and kittens ever since childhood when Mom always
made sure we had plenty of animals to love and take care of...and
watch...and bond with.
1) And....every now and then....one of my kittens (who I fed with a

bottle since it's mother had abandoned him or got run over) would
grow up to be a wonderful little pet and pal....and sometimes would
catch and corner a little scared mouse.
This little kitten (at one time a weak, little, vulnerable, purring
kitten) grew into a cunning, athletic, gymnastic cat who could catch
mice and then: "harass....bat around....play with...induce fear,
loathing, panic, trepidation, humiliation...total domination...
submission...etc." Yeah...some sort of crazy saddistic drama of
domination from a cat?! HOW COULD THIS BE...HUH?!
2) And....being an observant, sensative, empathic, sympathetic,

shy, quiet, obedient, compassionate, literate, humanistic boy WHO
GREW UP TO BE a potential threat to security in the bogus, lying,
warped minds of the Faggot Bureau of Intimidation....." I would
notice how my cat would get drunk on power and enjoy this brutal,
cold hearted saddistic display of power over a weaker animal?!"
To my shock and consternation...."my little cat had displayed

qualities of evil and saddism....that I had thought was inappropriate
and out of character....especially for a friendly, purring, snuggling
little kitten?!" How do you figure that huh?!
3) How could that be?! Why doesn't the cat just mercifully kill the
mouse out of decency or compassion or maturity or "grace?!" WHY

BE A SADDIST?....WHY GET INTOXICATED AND FEED OFF OF SOME

WEAKER ANIMALS FEAR, ANXIETY, TREPIDATION, DREAD...ETC?!
Why doesn't the cat leave the little mouse alone...since all our cats
were well fed and well taken care of?!
4) I never could figure out saddism....or "the ego dynamics of

bullying"...or why cats enjoy playing with a little weak mouse guilty
of no crime other than being hungry for a few crums of food that no
one was gonna miss or care about?!
I could never figure out, "WHY DO THE FAGGOT FBI SCUM AND
THEIR JUVENILE LITTLE BROTHERS, THE LOCAL COPSCUM...ENJOY
ENGAGING IN COINTELPRO CRIMINALITY ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY
GOT ALL THE JUDGES AND PROSECUTORS CONNED INTO
BELIEVING THEY ARE BIG, BRAVE, COMPETENT, WONDERFUL ALL
AMERICAN HEROS?! What is it about saddism and a "junky's
addiction to power over weaker people" that makes these copslime
feel so good?!
For the life of me...."I have never enjoyed watching or enducing

grief, fear, loathing, humiliation or dread"....in another person or
animal's life?! I don't see it as sport...or legitimate power...or
edifying...or superlative?! Yet..."the faggot bureau of intimidation
and the local copscum"....consider this sort of EVIL to be sport,
hobby, art, game, and "proof of their ineffable power and
specialness?!"
5) But...after thinking about my 12 year, illegal, felonious

harassment campaign by "soon to be IN ALOT OF COGNITIVE
DISSONANCE" federal, state and local copscum....I kind of figured
out something about copscum and cats and I know "who has the
answer to this riddle of animal nature."
6) All I have to do is....."Just ask all the faggot copscum who

harassed me into a mental hospital instead of killing me "like they
wanted to do for 12 years?!
7) Why not go to the big, brave Tomcats masquarading as The local

FBI scum (who just happen to know about a little restaurant
downtown that makes enchiladas" and local faggot copscum..."hey...
why are you ****ing with little mice like me and Dr. Mark Gordon
and seven other white collar professional frineds who are totally
innocent?!"
8) So....this little "mentally incompetent mouse"....is gonna sit

down with the Sioux Falls FBI clown jerking my chain to get the
answer straight from the Tomcat's mouth?!"
9) And....I'll tape record this little idiot, over rated, criminal,

jackoff, faggot, football player....to hear his response to play for
everybody who wants to know, "what a Tomcat says when
confronted with his crimes by "the mouse victim" of his crimes?!"
10) Because you know...."the people are gonna wanna hear the

vaunted local FBI Tomcat explain saddism and criminality

committed against a little mouse for 12 years after they committed
hundreds of felonies and misdemeanors that served as an
entrapment scheme to provoke a non violent little mouse?!
11) So hey....Sioux Falls FBI faggot scum....."when do you want to

eat some enchiladas downtown where your daughter cooks them up
as we discuss my felony criminal complaints and DOJ Guideline
violations committed by a never ending, police state, "Tomcat
blanket party" you've been throwing in my honor for so long?!"
12) You know where to find me....and I know where to find you?!
And....this ain't going away, now is it pal?!
13) So...hey..."Mr. FBI Tomcat....you better get back to The

Minneopolis FBI SAC who needs to talk to HQ in D.C.....to "find out
when you guys want to send FBI OPR out to Sioux Falls to get a
sworn complaint from me" and administer your bogus polygraph
exam (that you can always intentionally misinterpret...or lie about
the results to cover up your felonies like you did to Wen Ho Lee
twice)?!
Last edited by Uncle Freddy on 04-23-2004 at 09:58 PM
04-23-2004 04:37 PM
duncan http://web.uccs.edu/bethel/Forensic...#Faculty%20Bios
Moderator
Z.G. Standing Bear, MSFS, PhD
Registered: Jul 2003 A criminologist with more than 35 years experience as a police
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado officer, criminal investigator, investigations administrator, educator
Posts: 9006
and coroner. He is presently an Associate Professor of Sociology at
Colorado State University where he teaches Sociology of
Organizations, Criminology, Law Enforcement, Sociology of Law and
Criminal Justice Ethics.
Well shazaam looks like the copster from NYC has been
caught in yet another lie.
Dr. Standing Bear told me that he was in fact a NYC cop with the
Manhattan motorcycle division.
But you can lie to him about his credentials when he gets around to
posting on the forum.
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04-23-2004 10:51 PM
duncan Oh yea and the little thing about the hedgehogs which godamn p8g
Moderator had posted on another string didn't get past me.
Registered: Jul 2003 Nice try punk but you lost again.
Posts: 9006 If one where to do a search engine of Dr. Standing Bears name that
person would discover that he runs a hedgehog rescue in his spare
time.
Cute little mousie sort of things that have long snouts and false
quills. They look like big shrews or small porcupines.
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04-23-2004 10:55 PM
Get a life! You've contradicted yourself! You stated, "I never said
Guest that Standing Bear was a copster in NYC!"
Registered: Not Yet Who's LYING now? No wonder people IGNORE YOU they don't have
Location: time for your BULL****!
Posts: N/A
04-24-2004 11:15 AM
duncan I posted that he was a NY cop and I didn't know at the time where
Moderator he was a cop in NY.
Registered: Jul 2003 You posted that he was never a NYC cop and you lied.
Posts: 9006 I talked to him last night and he told me that he was a NYC cop.
So why did you lie copster?
So when are you going to ignore me?
So how many monikers do you have on our forum?
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04-24-2004 12:32 PM

[B]Duncan ya gotta big the WORLDS BIGGEST A**HOLE!

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WHAT ABOUT THE DYSLEXIA?
Registered: Not Yet
Location: WHY DID YOU LIE?
Posts: N/A
EXPLAIN THE CRAPPY CONTEXT & SPELLING IN YOUR POSTS!
SOME GUYS HAVE CAUGHT ON. YA CUT&PASTE FOLLOWING UP

WITH YOUR TRUE IGNORANT SELF! SPICED UP WITH A FEW
REASONABLY COMPOSED RESPONSES!
THIS DOES'T INDICATE DYSLEXIA!
CAN'T EXPLAIN IT CAN YOU?
MUST BE THE DRUGS YOU'RE TAKING!
DAQUAN'S IS EVERYTHING BUT AN HONEST GUY..........YA SURE!
WHY POST PERSONAL INFO IN ORDER FOR DOPE FIENDS LIKE YOU
& YOUR UNCLE FREDDY TO **** WITH?
YOU & FREDDY ARE THE SAME GUY! YA REALLY BELIEVE YA BEEN
FOLLOWED, WIRE TAPPED, ETCETERA, ETCETERA, BY LOCAL &
FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR 15 YEARS?
NOT UNLESS YOU'RE A TREASONISTIC TRAITOR WHICH MAY VERY

WELL BE YOUR LOT IN LIFE!
Go back to the country where ya came from since ya don't like it

here.
IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT YOU WOULD

KNOW OFFICERS ARE NOT PERMITTED TO REVEAL THE
PARTICULARS OF THOSE THEY'VE ARRESTED! THEY MAY DO SO
ONLY IF THEY DO NOT POST THEIR NAMEs & DEPARTMENTS! ITS
THE LAW!
Ya call civil service people tax consumers & what were you? Ya
claim military service......even tho the pay scales lower than private
job sector YOU also were paid by the citizenry of the USA & that
comes from those hard working tax payers of which YOU CLAIM
you're not a part of because ya don't pay taxes!
If ya don't pay taxes there are a "few" reasons why ya don't
1- Ya work just enuff to earn under the amount to pay taxes
2- Yer on welfare
3- Yer collecting Social Security Disability & possibly welfare!
4- Yer livin off the $$$ collected from the idiots who contributed to

yer defense fund.
5- Yer sellin drugs
YOU'RE SO THINK YOU"RE SO INTELLIGENT!!
I'VE CALLED COLRADO STATE UNIVERSITY MYSELF. NO ONE

WANTS TO TALK ABOUT YOU! WHY? COULD IT BE BECAUSE YOU -
A- NEVER GRADUATED B-GIVE THE INSTITUTION A BAD REP?
YOU PLAY TOO ****ING MANY GAMES. FIRST, YA SAY YA WENT TO

COLLEGE MINUS A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION. THEN YA CLEAN UP
YER ACT & STAT YA GOT A GED THAT'S HOW YA GOT INTO THE
COAST GUARD!
I RESEARCH THE COAST GUARD B.S. THERE'S A "DUNCAN PHILIP"

WHO SERVED & ONE GUY WHO POSTED SOME STUFF ON
"FREDDY'S sHIPMATE'S" OR SOME SUCH BOARD.
BUT!
YA COULD'VE EASILY TAKEN THIS INFO & ASSUMED THE GUY'S

IDENTITY LIKE ALL THE OTHER WANNABE'S ON THE INTERNET.
POST PICTURES YOURSELF IN THE COAST GUARD - AT ANY OF

THESE SO CALLED ISSUES & RIGHTS PROTESTS YOU GINGERLY
ALIGN YOURSELF WITH - AND A CURRENT PICTURE OF YOU TODAY
IF YA CAN'T OR WON'T DO EVERYONE WILL KNOW YOU'RE LYING!
I don't blame the other guys for not responding! Your bS gets
tiresome with your demands to PROVE IT!
While you make these demands you're SCURRYING FOR ONLINE

INFO!
DUH!
I'm sure the threat or actual banning of the people who disagree
with you only serves TO WEAKEN YOUR CLAIMS!
I'll bet these other guys posts have been BLOCKED & DELETED TO
MAKE you look good!
What'd ya have a SEANCE TO TALK TO BEAR????
He's NOT LISTED IN NYPD RETIREMENT DATA BASE YOU IDIOT!
THE DATA BASE REGISTERS ALL RETIRED NYC POLICE

OFFICERS!!!!!!!
GET A ****ING GRIP YOU TREASONISTIC BASTARD & DOPE FIEND!
There are 100000000000's of others who agree with me!

04-24-2004 03:24 PM
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Duncan!
Location: ROTFLMAO! OI guess I"M Not IN THE MINORITY when it comes to
Posts: 400 you!
Other GUUS have you PEGGED too! LOL!
P.S. I also checked out your claims. The results? You ain't smelling
like a rose!
04-24-2004 03:31 PM
duncan Oh my he checked my cliams.

Moderator
And what cliams might those me liar?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Did ya call Standing Bear and if so what did he have to say?
Posts: 9006
Notice how the copsters still can't cite us a source to their lies.
Did I post that Standing Bear was a retired NYC cop? Nope and how
could he be retired for the NYCPD if he is retired from the US Army?
I posted that he worked for the NYCPD and this is what they guy
told me.
So why did you lie again?
Prove that Standing Bear doesn't exist.
You just keep shooting blanks bozo.
Why don't you tell us who you called and then post a phone number
so that everyone can call CSU to see if what you say is true.
Caught in yet another lie, but then it is an evil copster.
Can you prove I was never in the Coast Gaurd? Umm doesn't look
like it and yet another lie. Why would I lie about being on a CG
bouy tender in Alaska? I mean if a person is going to lie then why
not to it big and prented to have been a US Marine that had seen
battle?
Funny how you never directed people to your research you were
talking about "Fredsplace" a USCG website were ex-coasties go to
talk to their old shipmates. All you had to was post a link and you
didn't. Why? Caught in another lie.

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04-24-2004 04:43 PM
duncan http://www.fredsplace.org/reunion/cutter/2105.shtml
Moderator
Here is a link to fredsplace.org that numbnuts didn't want you all to
Registered: Jul 2003 see.
Posts: 9006 On 09/23/03 duncan (zapata105@yahoo.com) said:
Hey Dowdy, I tried to email you off of classmates.com but I guess
yer email was an old one. I replaced Yamada whom I found on
classmates.com and you replaced me after my banishment to
Terminal Island by the midget Freeman. TI wasn't all that bad a
good way to finish off my last three months in the Guard.
On 09/22/03 Stephen Dowdy (photosbysabrina@juno.com) said:

I tried to find her on the below links, url unlinked, so here she is:
http://www.military.com/fp-photos/pix2/03667_s.jpg Also I lfound
an other pic and it didn't look like her because there was no eagle
or dent near the port stripe.
On 09/22/03 Stephen Dowdy (Photosbysabrina@juno.com) said:

Duncan & all, it is wonderful to hear only great things about our
beloved Divide. We were proud of that eagle on the fore deck. Was
there in 79-81. Learned a lot and were always good times.
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04-24-2004 05:00 PM
duncan A link to the Sedge on fredsplace.org

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http://www.fredsplace.org/reunion/cutter/2660.shtml
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado And if you post any of your crap over there it will be deleted by the
Posts: 9006 moderators Mike Carr and John Zantek
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04-24-2004 05:06 PM

duncan Just keep batting a thousand losers.

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duncan Oh yea absolute zero aka exterminator aka the stupid polock. I'm still
Moderator wearing that US flag of mine upside down on the corner of College and
Mulberry every Saturday at noon.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Any time you got the f*cking balls to kick my a** then come on over
Posts: 9006 stupid.
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names are exempt from public disclosure." - Washington State Court of Appeals
A fella told me once "You can attract more flies to honey than you can to vinegar." My
response was "That maybe so, but flies are also attracted to sh*t." - Duncan
"I am now waiting patiently, if not cheerfully, for the last bugle call, confident that when
at last my name is called, I can answer clearly: 'Here!'" - Cpl John Wesley Minnich, C.S.
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04-24-2004 05:39 PM
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Oh Boy! Grabbing a straws ain't dunckie boy! Ya think ya KNOW these
Registered: Apr 2004 folks who got your number!
Location:
Posts: 400
NOT ONE POST BY ANY OF THESS GUYS MYSELF INCLUDED EVER
MENTIONED PHYSICAL VIOLENCE TOWARD YOU OR EVEN HINTED AT IT!
You're just trying to draw MORE SYMPATHY ATTENTION to yourself!
YOU ASSUME too much! Moore NEVER stated where he was an officer!
Police Departments, unless small tiny township departments will not give
out personal information about their members.
NYPD WILL NOT DISCLOSE AT WHIM AN OFFICERS PERSONAL INFO!
I DARE YOU TO POST THE NUMBER YOU CALLED AT NYPD AND THE
PERSON YOU SPOKE TO CONCERNING THIS ISSUE!
Bet you won't post it because you never recieved any such info!
LIAR!
04-26-2004 02:48 AM
duncan Freeper scum will never learn that they voted for a loser.
Moderator
So what is my number boy?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Where did you go to school?
Posts: 9006
Answer my question or we get to start assuming things about you.
You refuse to post a real name because you are a loser.
THESS
The word is "these" and not "thess". Thess is the name of the whore you
screwed last week.
I never posted that Moore was a copster. The liar posted that he is a
teacher, but when asked for his proof he declined and yet he demanded
that questions posed to me be answered.

I don't care what your excuse is for refusing to post a real name. If you
refuse to do it then of course you have no crediblity and this is why I
posted my real name along with my credentials. This is why your
questions where answered.
I'm not accoutable to you or anyone else on the forum as I'm not a
socialist government worker who accepts a welfare check every month.
You really look stupid when you demand that the questions you ask be
answered and when we ask the same of you, you refuse. It becomes
apparent to all you have come here only to express your hatred for cop
watchers.
A name is personal info? So copsters never give a name out when they
write a ticket becuase it is personal? If their name is personal and they
can't give it out then how do they get paid?
Imagine if none of us gave out our names at any time, then none of us
could be held accountable for our actions and our words.
You are so full of crap liar. This is about the worst excuse you could offer
for your lies.
No name means no crediblity and it also means you have no credentials.
So the next time one of you porkers stops me on the road and demands
my name I don't have to tell you becuase it is personal? Well ok I won't.
I'd be happy to waste your entire day and all the other thugs who
threaten me with violence for refusing to even talk to you swine.
I dare NY p*g to post the number of the person he talked to at CSU.
I dare you to learn how to read or even write and intellible sentence.
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04-26-2004 11:31 AM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. Duncan! Duncan! Duncan!

Senior Member
Do you really want me to post the research I've done on you?
Location: Not a problem!
Posts: 667
Since YOU SAID you called N.Y.P.D. asking about Moore & Me ---
Tell whom you spoke to?
Once you do this I'll POST MY FINDINGS!
**Nit Picking over a minor typo? Tsk! Tsk! Tsk! Some of your
posts were absolutely outrageous! They resembled someone in a
DRUNKEN STUPOR! Would you like me to re-post this also?
04-26-2004 03:20 PM
duncan Please do.

Moderator
Show us where and when I dropped out of CSU and never got a diploma.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Show us where I lied about the CSU CJ program by calling the University
Posts: 9006 and asking for Dr. Unitthan.
Show us where I posted that I was a member of the CSU alumni

association and then show us where a graduate of CSU must be a
member of the CSU alumni association.
Show us that DPI doesn't exist and that their certificates are just handed
out in two weeks.
I didn't call the NYPD and ask about Moore. Moore never cliamed to be a
copster he claimed to be a teacher and when we asked for his credentials
he refused to post them yet this same sack of sh*t demanded my
credentials and I posted them.
Tell us who you spoke to at CSU by posting their number so that we all
can call and verify your claim and I will tell you who I spoke to at NYPD.
No one heard of any charachter named Blue in NYC and niether has the
john jay college.
So why did you lie?
re-post anything you like just be sure and link it.
Now it is your turn and if your refuse to answer my questions then i get
to assume what ever I want. i must assuemt hat you are lyign and are
nto a copster at all otherwise you woudl have known Standign bear.
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04-26-2004 04:14 PM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. Duncan

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I guess you can't read thoroughly either. Daquan Moore specifically
Registered: Apr 2004 stated in an earlier post that he was a P.O. but he did not state where.
Location: Moore went on to state his career was cut shortwhen he wasshot by a
Posts: 667 kid when he responded to a domestic. It's there for you to read. I didn't
pull it out of the air!
The Alumni Association. Gee! These folks have the names of al;l
members who graduated the institution & corresponding years WHETHER
OR NOT THEY'RE A MEMBER! CSU is no different.
I NEVER STATED IYOU WERE A MEMBER OF THE ALUMNI ASSOCIATION

IF I DID AS YOU ALLEDGE SHOW ME WHERE I POSTED THAT EXACT
STATEMENT!
YOU LIE! I NEVER SAID DPI DIDN"T EXIST! SHOW ME WHERE I SAID IT!
YOU EXPLICITLY SAID YOU CALLED NYPD ASKING ABOUT MOORE! READ
YOUR POSTS!
I didn't think you'd be that dense chasing a.k.a.'s posted on the internet.
Give me a valid reason why I SHOULD post my name or any other info?
The only reason I can see would be for you to screw with me -- nothing
more!
04-26-2004 05:02 PM

duncan link it copster

Moderator
show us where he psoted his crap
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado al;l
Posts: 9006
the word is all
do they have the names of all the graduates? and why would they? if so
what did they tell you and why didn't you post there phone number so
that all of us could call?
if you want to know if soemone gradauted then you call records and not
the alumni association any dope knows that
IYOU
the word you want is you and how can you hit the I when it's one letter
past the Y?
the why did you call the alumni association if i never posted that I'm a
member? and why didn't you call records?
so why are you lying and why do you hide?
my valid reason is that if you refuse to give us a naem then you must
have soemthign to hide and what might that be.
I answered your questions and you fund out that I did in fact graduate
from CSU. So now it is your turn to answer.
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04-26-2004 05:15 PM

Duncan
Guest
I'm not doing your work for you! Go back to "Negative Feedback" it's
Registered: Not Yet Moore 3rd. or 4th. post! He explains his situation.
Location:
Posts: N/A Go back to Negative Feedback if you can't find it there I link it in that
thread. O.K?
04-26-2004 05:27 PM
duncan Your department recieves federal funding and so yes you are on my
Moderator nickle p8g.
Registered: Jul 2003 link it

Posts: 9006 quote it
cite it
otherwise shut the F8ck up
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04-26-2004 05:30 PM

duncan if what you say is true then I should have been able to find the guys
Moderator name on gooogle and i didn't
Registered: Jul 2003 if what you say is true than moore would of course hate copwatchers and
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado have a baised against us that would cause him to lie and ingore the facts.
Posts: 9006
if what you say is true then that would mean the guy lied about being a
teacher
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04-26-2004 05:32 PM
Duncan
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Here this what you CLAIM Moore NEVER STATED!
Registered: Not Yet
Location: Quote
Posts: N/A
Iam a retired police officer. I was shot 12 years ago responding to

a domestic dispute. The shooter was a nine year ld child realizing
his father was going to jail for assaulting hs four year old sister
and mothe. The incident resulted in my paralysis from the waist
down. I am confined to a wheelchair. My career lasted eighteen
months."
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Not EVERY NAME is listed of these INTERNET INFO SEARCHES! Moore

NEVER stated he was in N.Y.C. ---- you ASSUMED IT!
Ya know Asuming things Makes an Ass-out of You!
Keep it up! You have been caught LYINGAGAIN!

04-26-2004 05:48 PM
duncan Oh you lie big time fat boy.

Moderator
The CSU alumni does not tell anyone if anyone has graduated or not.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado If you inquire about a graduate of CSU you must leave your name,
Posts: 9006 address and phone number and then the alumni will contact me and give
the me of the name and etc... of the person who inqured about me.
So liar you never called them at all did you?
Here is the number for all to call a verify what i posted is true.
970-491-6533
I love kicking a P*GS a**.
That's not a link duba**.
You can link this forum back onto the same forum. F8ck not only is he
reading illerate he is computer illiterate as well.
The post means sh8t as it can't be verified. It can't be verfied by the fact
that guy who posted it gives us no dates and places or names. it is a
nothing just like you are.
Try agian stupid and you give yourself away when you misspell words.
Ya know I can believe that this dumba** is a copster.
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04-26-2004 05:57 PM

Here **** Brain!

Guest
That direct quote was posted on 4-21-2004 @ 2:44p.m.
Registered: Not Yet
Location: Too lazy to go back and check?
Posts: N/A
Go To :
http://www.copwatch.net/forums/showthread.
php?'s=14c134008e9014b7fe565842c3acf4f&threadid=30
Gop Read it!
04-26-2004 06:20 PM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. [B]Pssssssssssssstttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!! Got some Salt & Pepper so ya can

Senior Member eat your words????????????
Registered: Apr 2004 Ahem! We'll start with YOUR STATEMENTS First!
Location:
Posts: 667 Let's Start with Standing Bear!
A) "Dr. Standing Bear made us buy a newsletter from John Jay separate
and apart from the class."
B) "Prior to teaching at CSU he came from Florida. Standing Bear is a

retired Army type he was a Military copster in the Army."
C) "Dr. Standing Bear told me in fact he was a cop in the Mahattan

Motorcycle Division."
D) "I NEVER said Dr. Standing Bear was a copster in New York City."
These are YOUR WORDS Duncan Not Mine!
Ready????????????????
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As per the DOD or Department Of Defense :
Name : Zug G. Standing Bear
RANK : W-4 Chief Warrant Officer
Branch : U.S. Army
Status : Retired from Military Service 20 Plus Years Service

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Are you with me so far Dunckie????????????????/

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Academic Credentials
Zug G. Standing Bear is Employed at University Of Colorado At Colorado

Springs as an Associate Professoe in Forensic Science
His Educational Background
Zug G. Standing Bear Holds the Following Degrees :
B.S. = Bachelor Of Science from the University Of Nebraska.
M.S.E. = Masters Degree In Education from the University Of California in

Los Angeles.
M.B.A. = Masters Degree In Business Administration from the Jacksonville

University, Jacksonville, Florida.
PhD. = Doctorate Degree from Florida State.
Email : mgspiker@aol.com Phone : 719-262-4416
Unversity Of Colorado At Colorado Springs :

http://www.uccs.htm
University Of Colorado At Colorado Springs Link :

http://www.uccs.edu~basicssci/option_forensic.htm
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A) You FIRST state Standing Bear made the "class" purchase a John Jay
Newsletter that had nothing to do with the class. Gee! I wonder why? It's
OBVIOUS this man did NOT have any ties to John Jay College or New York
City!
B) Next you state he was a RETIRED MILITARY TYPE he was a COPSTER in

the ARMY! Come on! An Army Warrant Officer @W-4 Pay Scale has
nothing to do with Military Police!
C) Standing Bear in fact told me he was a cop in the Mahattan Motorcycle

Division.
Ehhhhhhhh! Wrong!!!!!!! N.Y.P.D. Officers are assigned to the "HIGHWAY

DIVISION!" THERE WAS NEVER A SEPARATE DISTINCTION FOR
MOTORCYCLE OR VEHICLE IT WAS ALWAYS KNOWN AS THE HIGHWAY
DIVISION!
Only the "Mounted Division" had a DISTINCTION & SEPARATE INSIGNIA &
SHOULDER PATCH! HIGHWAY WAS JUST THAT HIGHWAY!
NEXT after completing more than 20 Years or more of Military Service

Standing Bear WAS OVER THE PERMISSIBLE AGE LIMIT!
At the time he would've been appointed N.Y.P.D. 's age limit was 29 years
of age and if you were in the MILITARY you would be alloted no more than
6 Years for Continual Active Military Service Providing that you were in
Viet Nam or Korea!
The Maximum Hiring Age 29 years without Active Military Service.

Meaning YOU MUST BE APPOINTED Before Or On YOUR
29th. Birthday and NO OLDER THAN 35 Yearts of AgeWith up 6 years
Acccredited Military Service!
D) "I NEVER SAID DR. STANDING BEAR WAS A COPSTER IN NEW YORK!"

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Well! Lookee Here! Geeeeeeeeeee!!!! OOOppsss! Could it be the Holy One
Told Untruths??????????????
LIAR! LIAR! YOU SAID THIS! No one else did!
04-26-2004 07:40 PM
duncan Gee now the nut cake has gone from being unable to prove that I lied
Moderator about CSU and DPI to trying to disprove the credentials of a University
prof.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Grasping at anything to get out of his quagmire of lies.
Posts: 9006
"A) You FIRST state Standing Bear made the "class" purchase a John Jay
Newsletter that had nothing to do with the class. Gee! I wonder why? It's
OBVIOUS this man did NOT have any ties to John Jay College or New York
City!"
No stupid I stated that Standing Bear required us to purchase the John

Jay College biweekly news paper. He asked us to read it and he would
sometimes pop questions at us in class to see if we were in fact reading it.
I must have suscribe to thing for over three years. I took more than just
one class from the guy and in every class we were required to buy it and
read it. This is nothing new as many prof's have certain periodicals that
they want you to read on a regular basis. I have nor eal idea why the prof
picked the John Jay newsletter other than he felkt it was trust worthy and
credible. Now if we didn't read this newsletter and and since myself nor
Standing bear have never attneded John Jay then hwo would I even know
aobut the news letter? At the pointed I posted about the John jay
newsletter this should have been a big clue to you that I rpobably have
some college back ground in CJ. I never posted that Standing Bear had
nay ties to John jay and in fact your entire paragraph makes littl or no
sense.
"B) Next you state he was a RETIRED MILITARY TYPE he was a COPSTER
in the ARMY! Come on! An Army Warrant Officer @W-4 Pay Scale has
nothing to do with Military Police!"
How do you know? Why wouldn't he? He was an investigator and did
mostly internal affiars. You been in the army? If so when and where and
was it the military police? I have no idea stupid I was never in the army I
am only going on what the good prof told us in his class. How do wyou
know he wasn't military police prior to becoming a warrant officer? What
you say makes no sense. Do you mean to tell me that if a guy becomes a
military cop he can't climb the ranks? I have heard of this kind of crap in
the Coast Guard and they even had their own CGI with warrant officers.
"C) Standing Bear in fact told me he was a cop in the Mahattan Motorcycle
Division."
"Ehhhhhhhh! Wrong!!!!!!! N.Y.P.D. Officers are assigned to the "HIGHWAY

DIVISION!" THERE WAS NEVER A SEPARATE DISTINCTION FOR

MOTORCYCLE OR VEHICLE IT WAS ALWAYS KNOWN AS THE HIGHWAY
DIVISION!"
You never asked me when he was a cop in Manhattan. The guy is nearly
60 years old. Hey take it up with him I even posted his number for you.
Yer a f8cking looney tune. What is your game? or are you always this
stupid? What do you hope to gain with these stupid responses?
"Only the "Mounted Division" had a DISTINCTION & SEPARATE INSIGNIA

& SHOULDER PATCH! HIGHWAY WAS JUST THAT HIGHWAY!'
Cite a time period? Are you talking now or forty years ago?
"NEXT after completing more than 20 Years or more of Military Service

Standing Bear WAS OVER THE PERMISSIBLE AGE LIMIT!"
How do you know? I never posted when he worked as a NYC cop. In fact
he worked as NYC cop before he went into the army and i never posted
how long he was NYC cop. Standing bear stated that he was NYC cop for
just one year.
"At the time he would've been appointed N.Y.P.D. 's age limit was 29
years of age and if you were in the MILITARY you would be alloted no
more than 6 Years for Continual Active Military Service Providing that you
were in Viet Nam or Korea!"
So when was he appointed? Is 29 the max or the minimum? I suspect the

guy was a NYC cop at the age of 21 maybe younger who knows? I've seen
18 year old derelicts in cop uniforms. SB is a Vietnam veteran and saw
duty in 'nam. But hey all you have to do is call or email the guy he told
me that he would be happy to talk to you about anything you want to talk
about.
"The Maximum Hiring Age 29 years without Active Military Service.

Meaning YOU MUST BE APPOINTED Before Or On YOUR 29th. Birthday and
NO OLDER THAN 35 Yearts of AgeWith up 6 years Acccredited Military
Service!'
So and this means what exactley? The guy could have been a cop before
he joined the army and in fact he was cop before he joined the army. The
army will take people up to the age of 36.
Many of my prof's had doen military service and then went to college after
being discharged. A guy could go to college while in the miltary and
acquire all of the credentials that SB has. Some people go from being
grunts to being officers with college degrees.
"D) "I NEVER SAID DR. STANDING BEAR WAS A COPSTER IN NEW YORK!""
This is out right lie. I posted that he was a NY cop. I thne called him and
asked him where he was a NY cop and he told me that he had been a NYC
cop. So why don't you call him?
I really want to know waht is the point of this stupid crap? Are you on
crack or what? I'm not kidding you look like a real goof on the forum.

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Well! Lookee Here! Geeeeeeeeeee!!!! OOOppsss! Could it be the Holy One
Told Untruths??????????????
Well gee look at what stupid?
So wy did you lie about the CSU alumni thing?
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04-27-2004 12:14 AM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. Caught you in your own trap stupid!

Senior Member
NYPD has their own retiremet Website! Every MOS regardless of
Registered: Apr 2004 LENTGTH OF SERVICE IS LISTED! Go find it yourself!
Location:
Posts: 667
You Can Back peddle all you want! I caught you dead to right!
I have more access to information than you do!
Keep on RAVING JERK!
Big Deal! Colorado Larimer County has a NOT EVEN A FRACTION

OF THE POPULATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH NYC!
NYC POPULATION exceeds 8 MILLION!

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No officer now or 40 YEARS AGO WITH A UNDER 5 YEARS SERVICE
GETS INTO A "PREFERRED COMMAND!"
You're such a history buff(oon) NYPD HAS THE WEBSITE CHECK

OUT THE "HIGHWAY DIVISION!"!
I ALSO LISTED STANDING BEARS CONTACT INFO BEFORE YOU

DID! IT MYSTERIOUSLY DISAPPEARED FROM THE POST!
THE ONLY MORONS PAYIN' YOU ANY MIND ARE STOOPID KIDS -
POT HEADS & DRUNKS! YOU'LL EVENTUALLY BE INCARCERATED
FOR YOUR TREASONISTIC PROPAGADA!
DOD DOESN'T LIE!
BUT YOU DO!
You pride yourself upon being an Anarchist in your "other" military

listing as if to taunt others!
RAVE ON! Your picture is posted on the internet clearly showing a

Tubby Fool smiling while picketing & being arrested YOU must like
those guys hands all over don'T YOU BLUNDERBUSS!
YOU NEVER CALLED NYPD ASKING ABOUT NYC BLUE! THEY'D

WRITE YOU OFF AS AN EDP =EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED PERSON
WHICH YOU ARE! ROTFLMAO!!!!!
FORENSICS WAS BEAR's specialty he never taught it at CSU! You

lie so much you can't remember what you said!
WHATEVER DEGREE & CERTIFICATES YOU CLAIM TO HAVE WERE

PHOTOCOPIED! ALL YOU HAVE IS A GED! AND IT SHOWS!
KEEP ON BACK PEDDLIN' YOU DRUNKEN SOT!
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duncan What a moron.

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Cna you porve he never worked at CSU?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado If I'm going to lie then why not lie about a guy who still works there?
Posts: 9006
I had only oine of Dr, Unnithan's classes but hye call him and ask if him
is SB never workeed there.
So why are you lying about SB?
Didn't you read the link that explianed that he was working at CSU?
I never posted that SB retired for NYPD I posted that he only worked

there a year.
You just keep getting stupider and stupider with eveyr post.
So where do you work?
What is your name?
Whe did you attend John Jay?
And are you on crack?
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GOD COP it seems he has proved the errors that you posted. duncan, please
Senior Member correct these or post an updated post with the proper information in
regards to this situation.

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duncan what errors a**hole?

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where did I post that the guy spent twenty years with the NYPD
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado list the errors
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YOU WERE CAUGHT RED HANDED! A LIE IS A LIE!

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NOBODY ELSE MADE THOSE CLAIMS BUT YOU!
Registered: Not Yet
Location: YOU ARE EXPOSED FOR WHAT YOU ARE ---- LITTLE MORE
Posts: N/A THAN A BRAINLESS BIG MOUTH COMPOUNDED BY
COMPULSIVE LYING!
04-27-2004 03:26 PM

I'M WAINTING FOR YOU TO POST THE N.Y.P.D.

Guest INFORMATION NUMBER YOU CALLED TO VERIFY MY
EXISTANCE.
Registered: Not Yet
Location: YOU CAN'T OT WON'T POST IT BECAUSE YOU NEVER CALLED!
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ROTFLMAO!
04-27-2004 03:29 PM
duncan Let me see if you can you answer any of the following questions?
Moderator
Why did you lie about the CSU alumni thing?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Why did you lie about the CSU CJ thing?
Posts: 9006
Which bourough do you work in?
What is your name?
How did you find out about copwatch?
Why did you lie about the personal info thing ? Posting a name and
a department is not personal info nor does it violate your privacy
since your a public worker you have no privacy.
Why are you hiding from us?
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04-27-2004 05:57 PM
LAME IDIOT! REAL LAME!

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Location:
Posts: N/A
04-27-2004 08:50 PM
Moderator
Posts: 9006
Which bourough do you work in?
What is your name?
Why are you hiding from us?
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04-28-2004 03:09 AM
Ya Want Info???????????????
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Ya Got Info!!!!!!!!!!!!
Registered: Not Yet
Location: My Name is Bernadine Kerik Shield #48397
Posts: N/A
I work at 1 Police Plaza.
Happy?
Go fetch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
04-28-2004 05:08 AM
Matt1 I won't say anything. I want to see if Duncan catches on. Just to let
Senior Member you know, I am a big fan of Mr. Kerik and recently read his book.
Registered: Feb 2004 Also Blue, did you see where I tried to remove my foot from my
Location: mouth about female officers? I did the same thing that is done
Posts: 1818 often on this site, I generalized all female officers. One inparticular
that I worked with was horrible so my opinion was tainted. Sorry
for offending you.
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Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by Blue
Location: There's no "catch" it's real.
Posts: 1818
No sh1t!!
honored to speak with you.
Make sure you tell Mr. Kerik what a fan I am of his.
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04-28-2004 10:49 AM
duncan Just answer all of my questions and then we can move on.
Moderator
I'm a fan of Bernie Goetz the guy you p*gs persecuted for
Registered: Jul 2003 defending his life in NYC.
Posts: 9006 Care to explian that one?
I'm also a fan of Frank Serpico the guy who busted your sh*t wide
open.
Care to explian that one?
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04-28-2004 10:52 AM
duncan Ummm and now we can ask again whom is playing whom with head
Moderator games?
Registered: Jul 2003 Who got the bitch to post her real name?
Posts: 9006 Who got matt painted into corner?
So did you ever give Standing Bear a jingle?
And if not why not?
I mean if your going to post your real name then you can give
Standing Bear your name when you call to tell him he was never a
NYC cop.

And when you call the CSU alumni association again be sure and
give them your name otherwise they won't tell you squat.
If they tell you that they will send me a letter about your call then
that means I graduated. If they say they won't send me a letter
about your inquiry then that would means I didn't graduate or I
never attended CSU.
I don't make the rules surrounding privacy issues and I don't tell
CSU not to talk to people about my graduation. When you call the
alumni association you will talk to a student and that student won't
know me from Adam. No matter who you call about they aren't
going to tell you squat about that person.
I could post a copy of my diploma but then these can be easily

forged by any print shop in the land. The news articles will suffice
as it is highly unlikely that a senior would dropout in their last
semester.
You asked the question and I answered it. I didn't brag about it or
pretend to be big shot. I never thought having a BA in anything was
such a big deal. It only means I know more about something like CJ
than most people do including copsters.
Standing Bear doesn't agree with my position on copsters he thinks

copping people is a good thing. He just thinks that all copsters
should be held accountable for their actions. Copsters in general
don't like Standing Bear because he calls them on their crap.
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04-28-2004 11:33 AM
Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2004 Who got matt painted into corner?
Location:
Posts: 1818
I don't know, who? Didn't realize I was painted into a corner.
If you are refering to me being curious to the possibility that some

hypocrit with the website may have leaked my IP address, I
wouldn't consider that as me being backed into a corner.
Duncan, if she is who she claims to be, do you realize exactly the
caliber of person you are dealing with?
04-28-2004 12:09 PM
duncan Ummm and now we can ask again whom is playing whom with head
Moderator games?
Registered: Jul 2003 Who got the bitch to post her real name?
Posts: 9006 Who got matt painted into corner?
And if not why not?
NYC cop.
never attended CSU.

semester.

duncan Just answer all of my questions and then we can move on.
defending his life in NYC.
open.
duncan Let me see if you can you answer any of the following
questions?
Why did you lie about the CSU CJ thing?
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04-28-2004 12:18 PM
duncan RE-EVALUATING NYPD PERFORMANCE ON 9-11

Moderator
Last year on 9-11, 343 firemen and 23 policemen were killed. As
Registered: Jul 2003 these figures show, it is obvious which faction of uniformed public
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado servants suffered the worst losses. Painful as it may be, the
Posts: 9006 following questions must be asked:
* Why was there such a huge discrepancy in fatality rates between

these two groups of equally-lauded individuals?
* Why have mainstream media outlets fostered equal public
adulation for both police and firemen, when the firemen suffered
many times more losses?
* Why is every police department across the nation permitted, (if
not encouraged), to bask in the reflected glory of the NYPD
(undeserved as it may be)?
* Are we supposed to believe that the lives of policemen are worth
more than the lives of the other decedents?
Don’t forget, before 9-11 unjustifiably whitewashed their image, the

NYPD had a far more sinister, far more realistic, and far more
deserved reputation. Are we supposed to forget this fact, (and
ignore reality), simply because twenty-three police officers
happened to die on the same day that 15 times as many firemen
died, and 130 times as many civilians died?
These questions become even more pressing in light of a credible

report that the NYC Police Department may in fact be largely
responsible for the tragic and unnecessary deaths of firemen on 9-
11. According to an independent study commissioned by the City of
New York, the failure of the NYPD to share vital information with
the FDNY in a timely manner contributed to the horrific carnage
among the firemen.
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04-28-2004 12:28 PM
duncan So when a copster get paid to do his job and the p8g actually does
Moderator the job that p8g deserves special attention?
Registered: Jul 2003 If so why?

Posts: 9006 When a coasite saves a life we were just doing what we got paid to
do and we expecting nothing else in return.
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04-28-2004 12:30 PM

duncan Bernard Kerik

Moderator He kicked into high gear with Rudy in managing the crisis, helping
secure a city in chaos and mourning; and now he may be the first
Registered: Jul 2003 acting police commissioner with a bestseller, The Lost Son. Winner.
Posts: 9006 Ummm did Bernadine have a sex change?
Who let the arabs into Jersey?
He should be kickng their a**es.
So when a p8g does his job why should he get special treatment?
Why did the NYPD get all of those firefighters killed?
So when they don't do their job or if they do a bad job we should

forget all about it becuase for an instance they did do their job?
Why is bernie exploiting the deaths of thousands? Cause he is an

evil copster who thinks he deserves special treatment.
oopsy!!! and welkome to copwatch.com bernadine and my name is

Duncan Philp and I'm not the dead copster. You can read about me
on the internet i kick a** on evil copsters who break the law. I
never wrote a book to exploited the deaths of thousands so that I
could get rich quick.
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04-28-2004 12:41 PM

duncan YAMEL MERINO and MORIA SMITH: Representatives of all

Moderator September 11th heroes, EMT Marino and NY Police Officer
Smith were the only two female rescue workers who died
Registered: Jul 2003 alongside the people they were trying to save. Award
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado presented by Commissioner Bernard Kerik, who will be
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introduced by Revlon spokesperson Karen Duffy.
Oh bernie you big stud you. bernie the revlon copster of the year.
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04-28-2004 12:46 PM
duncan And gee we are so flattered here at copwatch to catch the attention
Moderator of big bad tax consuming NYPD police comissioner.
Registered: Jul 2003 So tell us comish how long have you been a human parasite?
Posts: 9006 How much police corruption have you been involved in?
I'll bet you knew Serpico and what can you tell us about all of the
corruption he uncovered in your fair city?
Maybe we should invite him over here to talk with you?
Was Gulliani a student of Mussullini?
So which donut shop where you in when the big one happened?
Gosh so much for gun control in the big apple uh?
I mean they used a box knife to kill thousands while you were busy
imposign all of those facist gun control laws of NYC.

Say high to Bernie Goetz for me will ya?
Just think how it would hvae been if the passengers had been
allowed to carry a gun on a plane. The cops sure didn't do anything
to protect the victims of 9/11. No sir and all they did was help kill
them by enforcing facist gun laws in NYC.
Another bubble burst by the head fuzz buster.
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04-28-2004 01:01 PM
duncan Oh yea and get yer book "The lost son" today boys and girls.
Moderator
Bernie will sign it for you. He's the first acting police commissioner
Registered: Jul 2003 to have a best seller don't cha know.
Posts: 9006 So what if the people who lost family at 9/11 don't have their own
best sellers.
So how much for the book Bernie? What's your cut big man? Gonna
donate any of that cash to the 9/11 memorial? Or maybe give few
buchks to help the families out? or hey you could even give up your
Parasitcal salary to help out the taxpayers.
No?
Yea Bernie, feck 'em.
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duncan And this would be the reason matt refuses to tell us where he works.
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hahhahahahahaha
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado sucker
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04-28-2004 01:14 PM
duncan He should write another book titled "My lost wife".

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Oh where are you Bernadine? I'm down at the dount shop
Registered: Jul 2003 dear.
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04-28-2004 01:17 PM

duncan Bernard B. Kerik August 21, 2000-

Moderator December 31, 2001
Registered: Jul 2003 Bernard B Kerik

Posts: 9006 Bernard B. Kerik was appointed the 40th police commissioner of the
City of New York by Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani on August 21, 2000.
Prior to his appointment, he served as commissioner of the
Department of Correction. He served with the New York Police
Department in both uniformed and plainclothes duty for eight
years, and was awarded the prestigious Medal of Valor, among
many other awards for meritorious and heroic service. Before
joining the NYPD, Kerik served as warden of the Passaic County jail,
the largest county adult correctional facility in New Jersey. Kerik
spent three years in the U.S. Army as an MP, assigned to Korea and
to the 18th Airborne Corps, where he trained Special Forces
personnel at the John F. Kennedy Unconventional Warfare Center in
Fort Bragg, North Carolina. Author of the forthcoming memoir The
Lost Son, he lives in New York City.
My Name is Bernadine Kerik Shield #48397
I work at 1 Police Plaza.
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04-28-2004 10:38 PM

duncan Oh gee I can hardly wait for the movie to come out.
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Spiderman does Kerik
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04-28-2004 10:41 PM
duncan My Name is Bernadine Kerik Shield #48397

Moderator
Kerik, 45, lives in Riverdale with his wife Hala, and their five month
Registered: Jul 2003 old daughter Celine. He also has a 15 year old son, Joseph, from a
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado previous marriage. -September 14, 2000
Posts: 9006
Duncan, if she is who she claims to be, do you realize exactly the
caliber of person you are dealing with? - matt the one nut wonder
NO and I don't think you do either.
hehehehehehe
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04-28-2004 10:55 PM
duncan Kerik needs a hair piece. He nearly blinded me with that bald head
Moderator of his.
Registered: Jul 2003 The guy is basically a super P8g and supports the facist drug war
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado which violates all of our rights even especially those of us who don't
Posts: 9006 even do illicit drugs.
So Kerik why did yer mama leave ya?
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duncan Why did ya leave me mama?

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duncan Lest we forget.

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Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado And if not why not?
Posts: 9006
NYC cop.
never attended CSU.


semester.

Just answer all of my questions and then we can move on.
open.
Let me see if you can you answer any of the following questions?
RE-EVALUATING NYPD PERFORMANCE ON 9-11

these figures show, it is obvious which faction of uniformed public
servants suffered the worst losses. Painful as it may be, the
following questions must be asked:




among the firemen.
heros or zeros?
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04-28-2004 11:08 PM

Exterminator Do you relieve BELIEVE the crap you post? Goetz was Persecuted
Senior Member by the COPS? Really? Prove it!
Registered: Apr 2004 Goetz made the CRITICAL error of BOASTING about his GOOD
Location: DEED to his suburban ex-girlfriend who in turn gave him up stating
Posts: 400 he was a threat to himself and others!
COURTS PROSECUTE! NOT THE POLICE!
For somebody who claims to be educated you do know squat!
PLUS! Wasn't it YOU who PROCLAIMED YOU KNOW ZIP ABOUT NEW
YORK CITY AND THEIR POLICE?
QUITE A LOT OF "KNOWLEDGE" FOR SOMEONE CLAIMING NOT TO

BE IN THE KNOW!
04-29-2004 04:43 AM
Exterminator Gee!
Senior Member
Worried about fire fighters? You said you are a volly? But no one in
Registered: Apr 2004 Larimer County has heard of your benevolent volunteer efforts! Did
Location: you know vollies belong to a nationwide association? This
Posts: 400 association assists in rendering support in areas all over the U.S.
where tragedy may have struck!
No one was to associate themselves with you. I wonder why?
04-29-2004 04:56 AM
duncan I hear ya knocking but cha can't come in.

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Lest we forget.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado So did you ever give Standing Bear a jingle?
Posts: 9006
And if not why not?
NYC cop.

never attended CSU.

semester.

open.





among the firemen.
heros or zeros?
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Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2004 RE-EVALUATING NYPD PERFORMANCE ON 9-11
Location:
Posts: 1818 Last year on 9-11, 343 firemen and 23 policemen
were killed. As these figures show, it is obvious
which faction of uniformed public servants
suffered the worst losses. Painful as it may be,
the following questions must be asked:
* Why was there such a huge discrepancy in

fatality rates between these two groups of
equally-lauded individuals?
* Why have mainstream media outlets fostered
equal public adulation for both police and
firemen, when the firemen suffered many times
more losses?
* Why is every police department across the
nation permitted, (if not encouraged), to bask in
the reflected glory of the NYPD (undeserved as it
may be)?
* Are we supposed to believe that the lives of
policemen are worth more than the lives of the
other decedents?
There were actually 37 officers killed on 9/11 and not 23.
Also, the reason there were so many more firemen killed is because
it is there job to go into a burning building to put the fire out. The
police are not fire fighters, but if they were there would have been
just as many police officers killed that day.
This should be easy for somebody with common sense to figure out.
So you may want to get somebody you know who has some to
explain it to you. Nice cut and paste though.
04-29-2004 06:07 PM

GET A LIFE!
Guest
NO ONE AT CSU WISHES TO DISCUSS YOU!
Registered: Not Yet
Location: THERE'S A WEBSITE FOR NYPD RETIRES - THIS INCLUDES ANY
Posts: N/A AND ALL WHO SERVED IN THE DEPARTMENT. HAVE YOU CHECKED
IT OUT?
GET A GRIP ON THE GOETZ ISSUE!
IT WAS HIS OWN BRAGGADACCIO THAT SUNK HIS SHIP! IF HE'D

KEPT HIS MOUTH SHUT NO ONE WOULD'VE BEEN THE WISER! A
LESSON YOU SHOULD LEARN.
FRANK SERPICO? HE PRESENTS NO PROBLEM TO ME. WHAT WAS

THEN IS NOT NOW!
PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE. WE ALL HAVE IMPERFECTIONS!
"LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE!"
WHY DID THE COAST GUARD ACCEPT SUCH A "SUBVERSIVE" AS

YOU?
MAYBE YOUR FOSTERING THESE GROUPS TO OVERTHROW OUR

GOVERNMENT!
YOU'RE B.S. TAUNT ON THE MILITARY SITE STATES : "I'M AN

ANARCHIST! LIVE WITH IT!"
TOO BAD YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE METAL TO MAKE THAT

DECLARATION THEN! YOUR SHIPMENTS PROBABLY WOULD'VE
ACTED UPON IMMEDIATELY AND DROP YOU OVERBOARD!
THE WHALES WOULD'VE CRAPPED YOU OUT.
CORRUPTION? SURE! IT'S EVERYWHERE! NOT ONLY IN LAW

ENFORCEMENT BUT IN EVERY FACET OF THIS WORLD WHERE
THERE'S AN EXCHANGE OF MONEY!
YOU'RE NOT SAYING NOTHING NEW THERE!
FIRE FIGHTING & NYPD CASUALTIES? APPLES & ORANGES!
TWO VASTLY DIFFERENT POSITIONS! YOUR RAVING ONLY

ENFORCES THE IGNORANCE YOU POSSESS REGARDING COMMON
SENSE!
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EVERY TIME YOU'RE CAUGHT --- YOU TRIP OVER YOUR
Registered: Not Yet TONGUE A REPEAT YOURSELF!
Location:
Posts: N/A YOU CUT & PASTE IT! BECUASE ALL TOO OFTEN YOUR TOO
****EYED SNOCKERED TO POST LEGIBLY!
CUT THE SIDE WALK ACT ALREADY! EVERRYBODY KNOWS

YOUR THE LIAR!
GO TO THE NYPD RETIREE'S WEBSITE! EVERY MOS

REGARDLESS OF LENGTH OF TENURE IS LISTED!
NYPD HAS A LISTING OF ETHNICITIES. THERE NO BEAR IN

THE "NATIVE AMERICAN" WHY?
TELL YOUR BUDDY TO POST HIS PARTICULARS.
YOU & THE BULL CRAP ABOUT COLLEGE! NO ONE WANTS TO

ALIGN THEMSELVES WITH A LOSER LIKE YOU!
YOU VEHEMENTLY CLAIMED "NO KNOWLEDGE OF NEW YORK

CITY" ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE GOT ANSWERS?
REALLY! YOU CLAIMED TO KNOW ZIP ABOUT NYPD! NOW

YOU'RE AN AUTHORITY!
C'MON TUBBY! GET A GRIP!
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Originally posted by Matt1
There were actually 37 officers killed on 9/11 and
not 23.

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duncan And thousands of taxpayers killed whom the copster never

Moderator protected.
Registered: Jul 2003 So why is it when a taxpayer is murdered the cops never have any
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado numbers or stats?
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Matt1 quote:
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Registered: Feb 2004 Please cite a source for this claim.
Location:
Posts: 1818
I think you meant to use the word "fact" and not "claim" in your
post Mack.
There is a poster in our squad room that shows pictures of the 37

officers from the Port Authority PD who were killed on 9/11
here is a web page for the memorial that also shows the pictures
and names of the officers killed.
http://www.portauthoritypolicememorial.org/
http://www.portauthoritypolicememorial.org/Memorial.htm
The Port Authority Police Memorial

In Memory Of The Thirty-Seven Port Authority Of New York And

New Jersey Police Officers Killed In The Line-Of-Duty During The
Terrorist Attack On The World Trade Center On September 11, 2001
Now where did you people get your source from? I know it is on the
website when you first enter but where did it initially come from. Is
this just another bit of misinformation that is constantly posted
here?
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duncan and thousands of civilians were killed

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Where the hell do you get your statistics & facts? From Al
Registered: Apr 2004 QAIDA?????????????????
Location:
Posts: 400 The Trade Center is OWNED & OPERATED BY The PORT
AUTHORITY OF NEW YORK & NEW JERSEY!
THE PORT AUTHORITY ASSIGNED THEIR OWN POLICE

OFFICERS TO PATROL THE TOWERS & SURROUNDING
AREAS!
N.Y.P.D. WOULD BE CALLED IN PERIODICALLY FOR

ASSISTANCE!
PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR BUTT!
YOU'RE AN EMBARASSMENT!
FIRE FIGHTERS RESPOND TO FIRES & BUILDINGS

SUFFERING POTENTIAL COLLAPSE & OTHER DISASTERS!
THIS IS IN THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION!
POLICE ARE ON THE "LAW ENFORCEMENT" END! THEY'LL

RESPOND WHEN THERE'S CRIMINAL ACTIVITY GOING ON!
FOR A GUY WITH A DEGREE YOU"RE REALLY IGNORANT!
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duncan The Trade Center is OWNED & OPERATED BY The PORT

Moderator AUTHORITY OF NEW YORK & NEW JERSEY!
Registered: Jul 2003 So they attacked a government building?

Posts: 9006 Cool, like right on man.
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Can't you do BETTER THAN RHETORICAL REPETITION
Registered: Apr 2004 DUNCAN???????????
Location:
Posts: 400 YOU LOOK LIKE THE PROVERBIAL HORSES A**!!!!!!
NYC CALLED YOUR BLUFF & IT"S IN PRINT RIGHT IN THESE

THREADS ----- AND NO! I"M NOT GOING TO REPRINT IT
BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU"RE A LYING LOSER!!!!!!!!!!
So Big Shot! Where do YOU VOLUNTEER?????????????
I'm at Rist Canyon!
Where the hell are you LIAR?????????????
05-01-2004 06:09 PM

duncan Where in Rist canyon?

Moderator
Why weren't you at the Carter Lake fire where Albertus became a
Registered: Jul 2003 crispy critter?
Posts: 9006 A freeper cripsy critter at that.
Hahahahhahaha
I'll bet yer that guy who burned down the church in Virginia Dale.
Loser
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05-01-2004 06:46 PM
Matt1 quote:
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Registered: Feb 2004 and thousands of civilians were killed
Location:
Posts: 1818 funny thing how the p*gs always ignore this fact
nobody is ignoring that fact. The topic is how many officers were
killed on 9/11. Whoever posted 23 has their head in their poop
shute. I simply posted the real number of 37 and proved it. Now if
you want to try and prove me wrong, have at it. If you can't do it
then shut your pie hole.

05-01-2004 09:16 PM
Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2004 Where in Rist canyon?
Location:
Posts: 1818 Why weren't you at the Carter Lake fire where
Albertus became a crispy critter?
how do you know that he wasn't. Also nice to see that you are gald
9/11 happened by saying you are glad these pussies attacked a
government building. I think I will add that to my signature.
05-01-2004 09:18 PM
duncan how do you know that he wasn't. Also nice to see that you
Moderator are gald 9/11 happened by saying you are glad these
pussies attacked a government building. I think I will add
Registered: Jul 2003 that to my signature.
Posts: 9006 How do you know that he was?
We know nothing about this scumbag, becuase like you he refuses

to verify anything that he posts. No verification means no credilibty
and it also means i get to assume what ever i watn just like you do
when others ont he forum refuse to answer any of your questions.
I believe that the guy is lying about being a volunteer firefighter.

One reason is that he can't give me an exact location of the Rist
Canyon Fire Department. I as often as I have been up that canyon I
hve never seen one. There might be one nearby but numbnuts will
have to tell us so that we can verify what he says is true.
I know he is lying about my discharge status and there would be

only one way for him to verify something like a "General
Discharge". It's called a DD214 and on mine it says "Honorable
Discharge". At the time I served I saw very few people take a
"General Discharge" and I noticed that these people requested it
were never given it under some sort of criminal or bad conduct
circumstances.
I saw three guys in boot camp get this kind of discharge because
they couldn't hack boot camp and ask to get out of the CG. I saw

one guy who was ordered to report for duty to the Sedge get one
as he went AWOL twice and demanded to get out of the CG. If a
guy wanted to get out of the CG all he had to do was ask and they
would let him out usually with a "General Discharge". Things like
"Bad Conducts Discharges" and "Dishonorable Discharges" were
very rare at the time. You would just about have to commit a felony
to recieve one of these. It was the late 70's, during peace time and
considering the fact that hardly anyone was re-enlisting they
weren't prone to kicking people out. They begged me, just like they
did with everyone else, to re-up.
So the General Discharge stuff is crap but then everyhting you

clowns post is crap.
Yea I'm sorry they killed the wrong people and missed Dubya.
Be sure and add that to your signature facist p8g.
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05-02-2004 12:25 AM

duncan nobody is ignoring that fact. The topic is how many officers
Moderator were killed on 9/11. Whoever posted 23 has their head in
their poop shute. I simply posted the real number of 37 and
Registered: Jul 2003 proved it. Now if you want to try and prove me wrong, have
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado at it. If you can't do it then shut your pie hole
Posts: 9006
So how many civilians died that day and why didn't you post that
number as well?
The topic is about, why cops only think of themselves.
Now prove me wrong.
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05-02-2004 12:38 AM
In the EVENT a tragedy strikes again -- I hope your THREE

Guest DAUGHTERS are present at the site! For sure the sins of the
father will fall upon the children!
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05-02-2004 01:13 AM

Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2004 So how many civilians died that day and why
Location: didn't you post that number as well?
Posts: 1818
I didn't post it because it was not part of the topic. I was simply
pointing out that the info on the website is wrong.
Here are your stats for people killed on 9/11/01
Total dead: 2996 I guess that included firefighters and police

officers. Just in case it does, I will adjust the figures
2996 total - 343 fire fighters = 2653
2653 - 37 police officers = 2616 civilians
05-02-2004 02:03 AM
duncan In the EVENT a tragedy strikes again -- I hope your THREE

Moderator DAUGHTERS are present at the site! For sure the sins of the
father will fall upon the children!
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado He must be talking to you matt1.
Posts: 9006
Why subtract one from the other?
Why not just say over 2,900 people died that day?
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Don't DENY the fact you sired three BITCHES!

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duncan Don't DENY the fact you sired three BITCHES!

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Yea matt1 don't deny it.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado And this has anything to do with something?
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Umm a terroristic threat was made against matt1's three daughters.
bad boyz bad boyz, watcha gonna do when de come for you?
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05-02-2004 11:34 AM

Matt1 Duncan I don't have three daughters, I don't have three sons, and
Senior Member may or may not even be married or have any kids.
Registered: Feb 2004 First off the reason I subtracted the numbers from the 9/11 attacks
Location: is because you wanted me to say how many civilians were
Posts: 1818 murdered. I was simply answering your question as you asked it.
Second, the reason I didn't simply say that 2900 were killed is
because there were actually 2996. If you notice, 2996 is quite a bit
more than 2900.
05-02-2004 09:43 PM
duncan Don't DENY the fact you sired three BITCHES!

Moderator
Do you ever have an intelligent post? ever?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Did the intent behind the post go right over your head or are you
Posts: 9006 playing at being stupid?
So how come when cops kill the wrong people the cops don't
appear to intertested in having a memorial directory for those poor
folks?
Not your job?Don't give a f*ck?
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GOD COP gosh-three daughters? i would be insane too! maybe that will help
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duncan So the idiot was talking to you then?

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I might ask you the same question.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Read my topic string titled,"Why I became a copwatcher" for your
Posts: 9006 answer.
I had to go to court over a traffic ticket. I have little or no use for

DA's.
I explianed to the DA bitch that I am not here to serve her.
Most you f*cks don't get it and you never will.
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really?
Registered: Not Yet
Location: you don't have an OUNCE of INTELLIGENCE!
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always referring to authority as nazis when im fact YOU ARE
THE nazi!
your family RAN FROM GERMANY at the end of WWII to

escape DEATH SENTENCES they were DIRECTLY INVOLVED
IN THE PERSECUTION of BOTH CHRISTIANS & JEWS!
they hid out in the border towns of the U.S.A. like Texas it's
an easy in to the states from south america
the rest of the nazis hid out in south america which you
pretend to detest
you use a psuedo jewish surname - sol rosenberg who's

probably you or freddy agreeing with your own bs
i don't believe those who have self respect would associate

with you after the negative ethnic slurs like wops jews etc
you try to palm off & smokescreen the fact you have 3
daughters --- the ONES who you taught to protect
themselves with firearms from the nazis
all of your posts sound like beered up ramblings
your personality and your military service is a near mirror

image of the other terrorist *** mcveigh
i wonder why you decided to enlist if you thought the U.S.A.

was so very evil?
was it because you couldn't cut in school it was back in the

day when losers would get a ged or was it because you were
only capable of working in hamburger joint?
the other gut working as a voluntary fireman where you are

called you out and you haven't said where you volunteer at
could it be because YOU'RE LYING?????
either way the military provided you with 3 hots & cot -
clothing - paycheck and benefits!
nice little gig your tubby butt had wasn't it?
you keep lookin over your shoulder not for the cops or
government but because YOUR NASTY MOUTH has kept you
on the move
you're bitching about the other guys who questioned your

education and you're talking in circles about that krap
education isn't the REAL issue
it's WHO YOU REALLY ARE & WHAT YOU'RE ESPOUSING!
in short you're nothing but an internal traitor embracing nazi

tactics & idealism all in the name of firearms freedom!
05-03-2004 03:56 AM
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i think duncan has too much estrogen in his own veins
Registered: Not Yet
Location: i've seen him dressed in women's attire
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those probably ain't his kids
no self respecting female would lie down with a putrid swine like
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05-03-2004 03:59 AM

duncan "your family RAN FROM GERMANY at the end of WWII to escape
Moderator DEATH SENTENCES they were DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THE
PERSECUTION of BOTH CHRISTIANS & JEWS!"
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado My family isn't German. My family arrived in this country way back
Posts: 9006 in the 1600's and the last one to hit the shores of amerika arrived
in 1820. His last name was Philp and he came from Cornwall,
England. His fater was a Unitarian preacher in Mylor, Cornwall and
this guys father was a Methodist preacher. A long ways from Nazi
Germany and WWII. You can read all about if you do the right
search engines. My aunt put the website up and her name is
Naureen Lake. You can even email her if you like.
In fact there really is no german in the family tree. Most of my

family are either Scottish, Irish, Dutch and French or just Celtic.
The name Philp is of course derived from the apostle Philip. He's the
apostle that spread the word of God in and around England and into
Ireland. My people orginated from the Hebredies islands along the
west cost of Scotland and they were apart of the McDonald clans or
highlanders. The clans were broken up during the 1600's by the
English. You can find the Philp name through out Ireland, Wales,
Cornwall, Scotland, Holland, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa,
Australia, and the US.
My Uncle Reese Savelle of El Paso, Texas died serving in WWII. He

was a US navy pilot and trained South Americans pilots how to fly
fighter planes. The navy had him do this because he spoke very
good spanish as did most of his family. He crashed and died in
Washington state during a trianing expidition. He is buried at Ft.
Bliss in El Paso Texas. Two of his brothers also served during WWII
and his younger sister Ernistine Savelle worked at Los Alamos and
was one of the little worker ants who helped to build the atom
bomb. My aunt died this past month she was 90 years old and
served her country with pride. My maternal grandfather Jack
McCarty served in the Marine Corp and later as a SEABEE. Jack was
at Iwo Jima and recieved battle wounds. He was shot in one lung
and lost part of his spleen. Jack is buried right next to my
grandmother and with the rest of his family in the Olney,Texas
cemetary
"they hid out in the border towns of the U.S.A. like Texas it's an
easy in to the states from south america"
Actually my mothers family moved to Anthony, New Mexico in the

1920's from Jackson, Mississippi. Land was free back then and a
person could get 160 acres to farm. My great grandfather took up a
homestead in the Messilla park area. They never crossed the border
and they never went to South America.
"the rest of the nazis hid out in south america which you pretend to
detest"
Sorry no nazi's in my family. Most them were all republicans until

BushI got elected and then they all stopped voting. They all figured
out that the republican party had turned nazi so the bailed out.
"you use a psuedo jewish surname - sol rosenberg who's probably

you or freddy agreeing with your own bs"
Is Philp a psuedo jewsih surname? I know that St. Philip was in fact
a Jew, but I think my forefathers just copped the guys first name.
Not until around the 1400's did people really began to use two
names. The coat of arms thing was more of hype as people would
simply buy a coat of arms just to gain status in society. Most of our
forefathers were peasants who made up 90% of the population. It
wasn't until the merchant class came along and the industrial
revolution happened did the peasant class began to rise in financial
and social standing. But no I'm not like you I am not using multiple
monikers on the forum.
"i don't believe those who have self respect would associate with
you after the negative ethnic slurs like wops jews etc"
And do I care what you believe? I have no respect for some clown
who post nonsense and hides behind a phoney moniker and then
bashes people of celtic origin. Is this the best that you can do dum
dum?
"you try to palm off & smokescreen the fact you have 3 daughters
--- the ONES who you taught to protect themselves with firearms
from the nazis"
So what are their names? So you don't support the second

amendment? If I am a nazi then why would I trian women to
defend from nazi's like you?
"all of your posts sound like beered up ramblings"
I don't drink. I can't I'm a diabetic.
"your personality and your military service is a near mirror image of

the other terrorist *** mcveigh"
I never served in a war theatre and Timmy did. Timmy saw death
and killing all at the hands of the state he once served. He was
immuned to it and as such it made it easier for him to kill.
"i wonder why you decided to enlist if you thought the U.S.A. was
so very evil?"
No I was only 18 and believed everything the liars told me. I use to
pledge to the US flag but now I am sickened by all of the lies and
hypocrisy. The state is a false god and I cannot bear allegiance to a
false god.
"was it because you couldn't cut in school it was back in the day
when losers would get a ged or was it because you were only
capable of working in hamburger joint?"

I must have cut it I have a college degree. How about you, do you
have a college degree? Couldn't cut it could ya? You never worked
at the age of 16? Yea many 16 year olds get there first jobs at
hamburger joints, but then you never worked otherwise you would
have known this. Yea at 16 I worked at a hamburger joint and was
proud to make a buck and pay my way.
"the other gut working as a voluntary fireman where you are called
you out and you haven't said where you volunteer at"
He never said were he worked either and niether have you. I

suspect the guy is lying anyway.
"could it be because YOU'RE LYING?????'
or could it be because your lying? is this why you won't answer any
questions? or post even a name?
"either way the military provided you with 3 hots & cot - clothing -
paycheck and benefits!"
yea so? so you hate those of us who served? did you serve? what
benefits? i recieved no benfits I wasn't a lifer scumbag.
"nice little gig your tubby butt had wasn't it?"
It wasn't to nice, becuase I left after four years. How about you,
how much time did you do?
"you keep lookin over your shoulder not for the cops or government
but because YOUR NASTY MOUTH has kept you on the move"
I never look over my shoulder because I know guys like you are
just all mouth and no do.
"you're bitching about the other guys who questioned your

education and you're talking in circles about that krap"
I don't see any bitching on my part. They lied and I made them
look stupid.
"education isn't the REAL issue"
It sure is because it means that I have credibilty and you don't. You
are a high school dropout and feel insecure among someone who is
more intelligent than yourself.
"it's WHO YOU REALLY ARE & WHAT YOU'RE ESPOUSING!"
Well who do you think I am and what do you think that I am

espousing?
"in short you're nothing but an internal traitor embracing nazi

tactics & idealism all in the name of firearms freedom!"

In short I'm a libertarian who espouses freedom all in the name of

freedom.
And your a facist cop lover who just espouses crap.
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Matt1 Duncan, I am having a hard time believing you wrote that entire
Senior Member response. I have no way to prove it but it is a gut feeling. There are
not enough misspelled words in it to be one of your responses.
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05-04-2004 06:24 PM
duncan Who wrote it then?

Moderator
Yes I really do have a college degree f*ckhead.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado I also have diabeties and CHF.
Posts: 9006
Try it sometime ****s*cker, it sucks.
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you have CHF? Really?

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What do you want SYMPATHY?
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Location: If you have it & Diabetes What meds do you take?
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05-05-2004 01:11 AM
Exterminator I have to agree with Colorado what DOES Diabetes & CHF
Senior Member have to do with anything?
Registered: Apr 2004 I SERIOUSLY DOUBT you have CHF! What are the Meds for it?
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05-05-2004 02:21 AM
duncan The question is what meds do you take?

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And when is feeding time at the mental hospital in Ft. Logan?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado So why is this guy talking to himself and what does he have to do
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Exterminator Ooooohhh! Gettin' TOUCHY!

Senior Member
So you're a DIABETIC & Have CHF? Gee! Wonder where you
Registered: Apr 2004 DREAMT that up???
Location:
Posts: 400 Could it Be you DECIDED to "lay claim to both" afflictions for
SYMPATHY SAKE???????
You probably don't KNOW WHAT CHF IS!
Oh Well! Another Fabrication BY DUNKAN THE INFERIOR!
05-05-2004 03:24 AM
Exterminator Can't ANSWER?????? Oh Well!!!!! Another B.S. Story!!!!!!

Senior Member
You don't even KNOW what CHF IS!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!
Posts: 400
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Exterminator you called it!

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He's looking for a SYMPATHY PLOY!
Registered: Not Yet
Location: Seems to KNOW a hee of a lot about "Mental Hospitals!"
Posts: N/A
Maybe he's got Frequent Admit Passes & Free Thorazine
Weekends!
05-05-2004 08:01 AM
Uncle Freddy Stray thoughts and stray cats...what is the connection?

Senior Member
:confused: I think if you knew Duncan...and listened to what it is

like to always be monitored and stalked with snitchs for 15 years....
Location:
Posts: 116 and the warrantless search of his apartment....and all the other
stuff...."you would realize that never ending fishing expeditions
would make anybody into a rageing hate filled beast."
1) In 1992....I never hated cops or really ever questioned their

motives, egodynamics or credibility?! I used to think as well of The
FBI...as most other sheeple?! I never looked at Orwell's 1984 as a
remarkablely prescient prediction of the future...and never noticed
the similarities to our foreign policy entagnlements?!
2) If you haven't walked in Duncan's shoes....and have no interest

in the "cause and effect"....then...."you're kind of missing the whole
story." Duncan's story would make a great documentary because,
"how many lone wolf domestic terrorists" have ever been chronicled
complete with "Homeland Security's" perspective?!
Ask Duncan what he was like before being monitored?!
3) Duncan's just another social activist being stalked by "people

with rigid personalities" that try to enforce militarized value
systems that sanction "punishing non conformists."
For you to attack Duncan....is as righteous as me "attacking you for

being in an Authoritarian Bureacracy." Different strokes for different
folks...and whatever floats your boat?!
4) Ever notice how differences in personalities (usually formed

based on life traumas, experience, peer group, enviroment, money,
health, education, spiritual balance, insight, education, DNA)
creates warfare of some sort with "unmitigated malice, contempt,
denigration, attacks, boasting, one upmanship games, competition,
hostility...etc?!
5) TOLERENCE is worth reaching for?! Tolerence comes from

empathy and perhaps remembering that "at one time we were all
little kindergardeners who only wanted to laugh, play, goof around,

and play innocent tricks on each other?!"
Certain ups and downs....traumatic events....insights....love....

peace...acceptance...etc...all turned us into whatever we became.
But we all started out with the same childlike innocence and
potential to be something.
6) Without a fundemental understanding of human nature....we are

all doomed to perpetual warfare...which is fine if you enjoy "hate,
malice and contempt" over "love, respect and acceptance." Some
people love combat...and it does serve as a forum for "exercising
creative juices"....but, "in the end, we were all little kids not worthy
of the contempt we have for each other as adults?!"
7) Sometimes I like to think about..."having so much money that

you can buy all the poor kids new clothes, toys, and puppy dogs" to
make sure "little kids get to enjoy their childhood as much as
possible."
8) I like seeing the playful qualities of dogs and cats as "they seem
to enjoy their lives more than adults?!" How could that be...adult
humans are supposed to be on top of the food chain?!
9) The most important book I ever read (I read this book 11 times)
was Ernest Becker's pulitzer prize winning book, "The Denial of
Death" because it covered so many insights into our human
condition and serves as a "guidebook" for your life as well as the
meaning behind "culturall changes" to a human animal dependent
on symbolism.
10) ".....Can't we all just get along?...."
Rodney King (said while choking back tears after taking a pretty
good LAPD beating?!)
11) If Rodney King can say that after taking a good solid beating,
then...uh...what is my excuse for filling my heart with malice and
contempt?!
12) "Stray thoughts"....and "stray cats"....are all alone in this

world... live in fear of being approached... and are barely getting
by?!
05-05-2004 08:24 AM

duncan Do either one of the personalities know what CHF is?

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Matt1 Re: Stray thoughts and stray cats...what is the connection?

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Rodney King (said while choking back tears after taking
a pretty good LAPD beating?!)
also said after getting an LAPD beating after giving his wife/
girlfriend a good beating.
How has old Rodney "the victim" King been doing lately? Oh yeah,
he has been arrested several times for some pretty serious crimes.
05-05-2004 02:28 PM

duncan Boy being copster must be real tough.

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So do you get finger tip blisters and headaches alot?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado How are the p8gs who beat him up doing these days?
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Are they still in prison?
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05-05-2004 02:31 PM
Exterminator You were asked what CHF is........As USUAL You turned it
Senior Member around so YOU have time to look it up!
Registered: Apr 2004 It's a SIMPLE QUESTION.....You can't answer it because you
Location: don't have it and it has NOTHING to do with your INABILITY
Posts: 400 to POST PROPERLY!!!!!
Have you READ some of those MEGA TYPOS??? You HAVE to

be Schizophrenic/Paranoid/OCD To CONTINUE as you
have!!!!!!!!!!
A Classic DSM III Issue!!!!!!!!!!
05-05-2004 05:34 PM

duncan You where asked for a name and the name of the volunteer fire
Moderator department that you pretend to work for.
Registered: Jul 2003 A simple question just answer it triator.

Posts: 9006 Hye I'm jusy happy to see you give me the recognition I so deserve.
Ya think the dumbass will ever get it?
wiping my ass with the facist US flag ooohhyaaaa
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05-06-2004 02:54 AM
Exterminator Nope! Don't HAVE THE FAINTIST IDEA WHAT CHF is!
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To YOU it may be something EXOTIC!
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Posts: 400 too fat & impotent.
05-06-2004 08:32 AM

Looks "X" MAN Caught onto to you real Quick!

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duncan So bernie why did ya lie about the CSU thing and about Standing Bear?
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05-06-2004 04:51 PM
Repeative questions to BS questions make you look like THE FOOL &
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So who'd ya call at N.Y.P.D. to VERIFY MY EXISTANCE?

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No one! Because YOU"RE THE LIAR!!!!!!!!!
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05-06-2004 04:57 PM
duncan Did ya call Standing Bear to verify that he exists?

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if not then why?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado No one by the name of NYC Blue exists.
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05-06-2004 05:00 PM

Exterminator Yo Jerko!
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Registered: Apr 2004 Don't you get it? You've openly MADE A FOOL OF YOURSELF ---
Location: YOU've BEEN CAUGHT IN MULTIPLE LIES!!!!!!!
Posts: 400
No one gives a krap about the bullsh*t with lonely bear, standing
bear, whatever!
Yer pissin' in the wind & drinkin' it dope!
You've been proven WRONG MANY TIMES!
ALL YOU HAVE LEFT IS THE LAME ASS : So why ya lyin'?
It's as weak as the dribble that comes outta of yer impotent wang!
CHF! Yeah! Right! Mental Health ISSUES -- Yes!
You're grabbing at SYMPATHY STRAWS! Don't ask ME what CFH

is-------You have it --------- you DEFINE IT!!!!!!!! DUH!!!!!!!
05-06-2004 05:54 PM
Exterminator No one by the name of NYC BLUE EXISTS in N.Y.P.D.?

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Yer really showing you're ignorance!
Location: What NUMBER did you calll?
Posts: 400
You actually asked for an internet tag?
Geeeez!!!! An 8 year old would know better! BUT I DOUBT YOU

CALLED!!!!
As USUAL YOU LIED!!!!!!!!!!
05-06-2004 06:00 PM
Exterminator Are you always so lame?

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05-07-2004 10:27 AM

duncan Did ya call Standing Bear to verify that he exists?

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if not then why?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado No one by the name of NYC Blue exists.
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05-07-2004 03:52 PM
Matt1 quote:
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Location: No one by the name of NYC Blue exists.
Posts: 1818
No kidding. Well then, did you call about Bernadine Kerik? I am pretty sure
she exists and she even gave you her badge number and where she works.
But I don't think you called to check up on her did you?
05-07-2004 10:19 PM

Exterminator Did i ASK you about Bear?????? Who the fock cares!!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't care!!!!!!!!!! Someone else has caught you in the bullsh*t
Registered: Apr 2004 about bear........no need to go incircles which is your FAVORITE
Location: TACTIC cause you're an IDIOT!!!!!!!!
Posts: 400
You NEVER POSTED THE NUMBER you alledgedly called to verify
nyc .................WHY? Because you DID NOT CALL AZZHOle!!!!!!
You're tripping over yer drunkin tongue AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
05-08-2004 12:38 AM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. No! I'm ALIVE and Well! Despite what you think! So you checked up on
Senior Member me? I don't exist? Pray tell --- where did you call and to whom did you
speak to?
Location: Aha! No Answer = Never did follow up!
Posts: 667
Giving an internet "nickname" is ABSURD! No one in their right mind
would follow through in this manner Duh!
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By the way "Exterminator STATED he's a VOLINTEER in "RIST

CANYON." That's in Larimer County Colorado. You would think YOU
KNEW IT ------- If YOU REALLY DO LIVE IN COLORADO or Claim to be
who you are! Another 'hint" of an "Internet IMPOSTER!"
Psssssssssssst! I heard ya got diabetes AND chf! Ya know boozin'

catches up to you! That's almost always da after effects of bendi' dat
elbow tubby! Now yer lookin fer sympathy? None here!
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05-08-2004 03:12 AM
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Thanks NYC! I'm GLAD you remembered Rist Canyon! Glad you
Registered: Apr 2004 stopped by. Yep! duncan's got a sympathy ploy diabetes & chf! Gee!
Location:
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Breaks my heart!
Get a load of the other gut analyzing my nickname? Nothing better to

than to ASSUME. You know what they say about assuming!
05-08-2004 09:06 AM

duncan did you call about Bernadine Kerik?

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on another post the clown NYC Blue aka termite inspector cliamed to be
Registered: Jul 2003 bernie kerik. Kerik has no wife named Benrandine. So why did you pretend to
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado assume that bernadine was his wife? bernie has no sibilings his mommy left
Posts: 9006 him to some child molestors remember?
So which is it copster?
How come the copster never posted that number he called over at CSU?
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05-09-2004 01:03 AM
Hey Yo-Yo!
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I DIDN'T PRETEND ANYTHING! THAT"S MY NAME!
Registered: Not Yet
Location: It was You who ASSUMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fruitcake!!!!!!!
Posts: N/A
Get REAL You Never CALLED ABOUT BLUE & YOU ASSUMED
EVERYTHING ABOUT KERIK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep! You're the Jack of all trades & don't know Jack ShiiT!!!!!
05-09-2004 05:36 AM
Matt1 Duncan, it is obvious that you never called NYPD. Just come clean because
Senior Member you are busted.

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05-09-2004 09:23 AM

duncan it is obvious that you can't prove it

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it is obvious that the guy never called CSU
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado it is obvious that kerik had a sex change.
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05-09-2004 03:45 PM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. You ALWAYS need someone to LEAD YOUR DUMB ASS?
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Did it ever occur to you there's MORE THAN ONE KERIK IN THE
Registered: Apr 2004 WORLD????? You're a REAL IDIOT??
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05-10-2004 02:13 AM
duncan Hey Hey ho ho you facist ***s have got to go

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so did ya ever call Standing Bear scumbag?
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05-10-2004 03:07 AM
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Registered: Feb 2004 it is obvious that you can't prove it
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You have been given so many chances to prove that you did and you refuse
to do it. You said you were going to call but you won't post the number you
called or the name of the person you talked to. She gave you her name and
badge number so you could check up and you don't have the nuts to do it.
05-10-2004 10:58 AM
duncan So did the guy ever call CSU records?

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Or Standing Bear?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado I even posted phone numbers for the guy to call?
Posts: 9006
Prove that I didn't call and there is no one by the name of NYC Blue.
If there is a guy named NYC Blue then show us.
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Exterminator You ARE ONE INGNORANT AZZHOLE! NYC gave her NAME -
Senior Member Shield Number & Command!
Registered: Apr 2004 And what does the wizard of empty wad do? Claim he
Location: "called" N.Y.P.D. LOOKING FOR AN INTERNRT NAME!
Posts: 400
Talk about **** for BRAINS!
I've already POSTED where I volunteer at, my name and

where I work.
dunkin has YET to call me on any of these things. Why?

Because he's nothing but a little lousd mouth wannabe!
Notice he STOPPED posting the crap about being a volunteer
fire fighter. Anyone with a drop of sense would KNOW he
bull****ting! Especially if he does have diabetes & chf ..he'd
be a liability rather than an asset. Dream on asshole.

I never seem someone who's so ATTENTION HUNGRY that

they CONTINUE to post RHETORIC & NONSENSE!!
Go save your ass from the next encounter with law

enforcement. You ain't helping or assisting ANYONE with
your bogus CHEST BEATING & LYING!!!!
Give it up asshole!
05-10-2004 02:37 PM
duncan I love the sound of a p*ggy squeel it is the sound of victory.

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05-10-2004 07:11 PM

BLUE IN N.Y.C. dunkin!

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You've really got to be an IDIOT!
Location: "Exterminator (you don't seem familiar with "Xman" duh!) is
Posts: 667 100% CORRECT!!!!!
I Gave you my COMPLETE NAME - COMMAND - SHIELD

NUMBER!!!!!
It was you who decided to post I was Bernard Kerik duh! Did
I say I was Kerik?
You claim you called N.Y.P.D. asking for an internet alias ---
c'mon! Does this sound INTELLIGENT?
Just as YOU ASK post the number you called. You won't
because you NEVER PHONED!
Can you imagine me calling the largest hospital in Larimer

County asking for "Uncle Freddy?" Christ! I'd sound like a
idiot!
You don't have any conceept of shame or embarassment!

You constantly post STUPID claims without backing them up
- the ones you claimed to have followed through make you
look like you've the I.Q. of a three year old!
I can see it now - your "alledged" inquiry :
dunkin : Hello, I'm dunkin from copwatchers. I want you to

answer my questions copster!
N.Y.P.D. : Who?????????????????????????
dunkin : Never mind! Do you have a copster named "Blue?"
N.Y.P.D. : Who is this?
dunkin : You ****ing copster ***! Are you deaf? I asked you
got a facist *** named "Blue?"
N.Y.P.D. : CLICK!
If You DID CALL which I doubt! Post the number you called
for ALL TO SEE! C'mon!!!!!!! Don't change the SUBJECT!!!!!!!!
05-10-2004 07:51 PM

duncan Did I say I was Kerik?

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Yea you posted that you are a bernadine kerik and yer fellow liar
Registered: Jul 2003 implied that you hwere bernard kerik and so i ahd some fun with
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado the bald facist p8g named Bernard Kerik.
Posts: 9006
I don't give a f*ck who you are. you are just antoehr facist p8g to
me.
You demanded to know my credentials andwhen I gave them to you

you went ballistic. You swine hate it when people don't fit your
narrow minded molds and labels.
So did you ever call Standing Bear and if not why not?
Why did you lie about the guy?
We are going to keep doing the sh8t until you finally leave the
forum.
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what in God's name is that word.
05-10-2004 11:13 PM
duncan umm now he forced to deviate from the topic due to another ass
Moderator kicking
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Registered: Feb 2004 umm now he forced to deviate from the topic due
Location: to another ass kicking
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I guess I am using one of your techniques. By the way, what word

were you trying to spell?
05-11-2004 03:23 AM
Hey Asshole! I [B]NEVER Said I was Bernard Kerik!

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It goes to show the readers was an ILLITERATE **** YOU ARE!
Registered: Not Yet
Location: YOU NEVER CALLED NYPD - PERIOD!
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WHY SHOULD I CALL BEAR?????????????????
It was YOU WHO MADE ALL THE ALLEGATIONS MORON!!!!!!
First he wasn't a cop - then he was - then he was a MILITARY cop -

then a Motorcycle cop! You're THE IDIOT RAMBLING not Bear!
I hit the nail on the head! YOU DON'T WORK - You COLLECT SSI
DISABILITY - Worked SPORADICALLY BUT NOT MUCH - BUT
FEELENTITLED TO COLLECT FROM THE COUNTRY YOU
LOATHE!!!!!!!!
TALK ABOUT A PARASITIC SOCIETY[/U] WELL YOU

DEVELOPED YOUR OWN!
You claim congestive heart failure..........right?
Well Golly Gee! Most of the HEAVY DOPERS CONTRACT IT AT

ONE TIME OR ANOTHER!
So STOP THE BULLSHIIT YOU'RE NOT A DOPER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Arrest Record? Yep! YOU got one! THAT'S WHY YOU'RE

BITCHIN!
NOBODY DID ANYTHING TO YOU But YOU! ****

BRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

05-11-2004 05:12 AM
duncan I never said you where bernard the bastard either.

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Your fellow scumbag implied it and so i had some fun with it.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado get a f8cking toupe yer blinding us with the shiney bald spot.
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This dipstick Kerik is an ego-manaic and used the death of so many
to make a quick buck by writting a cheap dime novel.
So did you ever call the guy?
Why are you lying aobut him?
You look real stupid when you play your p*g games and then lose.
The guy did one year a NYPD motorcylce cop and then joined the
army where me became a MP and then after he retied for the army
he went on to become a prof.
Hey prove that he lied.
I see matt the p8g is off topic again and this is always a sign he lost.
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Matt1 the reason I went off topic (which you do everytime you post) is
Senior Member because I wanted to know what in the hell that word was you tried
to spell. So tell me, what word is it?
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05-11-2004 06:34 PM
duncan You don't deserve spell check p8g.

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Matt1 ???
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05-11-2004 09:38 PM

Exterminator AFTER YOU STICK YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH YOU TRY TO
Senior Member CLEAN IT UP BY DERAILING FROM THE TOPIC.
Registered: Apr 2004 COMMON PLOY FOR KIDS AND IDIOTS.

Location:
Posts: 400 YOU REALLY CAN'T SPELL OR READ.
I'LL BET THE bible YOU READ AT THE LA PORTE CHURCH OF

CHRISTIAN IDENTITY SPELLS IN THIS FASHION!
MOST OF YOUR FELLOW KLANSMAN ARE ILLITERATE WHY

SHOULD YOU BE ANY DIFFERENT?
05-11-2004 09:59 PM
duncan Why do feel the need to cap and bold every thing you post?
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You look like a real dumbass when you do that and it gives one the
Registered: Jul 2003 impression that you have a personal problem and need help. It also
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado gives the impression that you can't debate and of course you can't
Posts: 9006 and haven't since you started posting and this why you will soon be
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05-11-2004 11:22 PM

Exterminator TOO BAD!!!!!!!

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Feeling OVERSHADOWED?????
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05-11-2004 11:39 PM
duncan No and actually you are only making me look good.

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Like I give a f*ck. I didn't go to your forum you came to mine to
Registered: Jul 2003 express your hated for me greer.
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BLUE IN N.Y.C. Quote

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"Like I give a f*ck. I didn't go to your forum you came to mine to
Registered: Apr 2004 express your hated for me greer." duncan
Location:
Posts: 667 Aside from losing ground in your own element what the hell is a
greer???????????????
05-12-2004 07:44 PM

duncan why do you ask?

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BLUE IN N.Y.C. Wearing you down fool? Or can't you READ your own posts?
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05-12-2004 11:17 PM
duncan why do you ask?

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and did I go to your NYPD love fest forum to f8ck with you?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado notice how I can control the p*gs rants, he has stop using caps and
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dance to my tune little puppet
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Exterminator You're a FIGMENT of your own imagination. Anyone opposes

Senior Member you you pour on the vulgarity as if it's the sign of maturity
and intelligence. If we don't respond to your foolishness
Registered: Apr 2004 you'd be talking to yourself.
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05-13-2004 02:03 AM

Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Location: notice how I can control the p*gs rants, he has
Posts: 1818 stop using caps and bold lettering
dance to my tune little puppet
IS THIS BETTER DUNCAN? IF YOU LIKE, I CAN START

POSTING IN ALL CAPS AS WELL.
05-13-2004 02:44 AM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. If YOU think I was Obeying YOUR REQUEST -----DREAM ON!
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duncan But you did little man and either way I win.
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05-13-2004 12:55 PM
You DON'T WIN! You're credibility is NIL!

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05-13-2004 10:11 PM
duncan No name and mulitple monikers means NO credibility.

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05-13-2004 10:43 PM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. You're SERIOUSLY DISTURBED! What the hell are you talking
Senior Member about??????????????????
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05-13-2004 11:55 PM

duncan and what are you talikng about?

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05-14-2004 12:19 AM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. YOU'RE A LOSER! YOU'VE AN OUT AND OUT COMPULSION TO

Senior Member RESPOND TO ANYTHING I POST!
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05-14-2004 02:06 AM
duncan and this from a guy who responds to my every post

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05-14-2004 02:43 AM
Chill out blue in NYC

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06-01-2004 09:59 PM
duncan the dike is a kike

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06-02-2004 03:41 AM

Exterminator Notice how duncan and his buddy al think alike?

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Location: "That fatass nigglet "Blue In NYC" will probably scream about what
Posts: 400 racist bastards you are because you don't kiss Sharptons faggot
ass." A.Shemonia"
Not hard to understand the bond!
06-13-2004 01:57 AM
duncan Well where the hell have you been race merchant ?
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Still posting crap and lies I see.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Where have you seen me ever use the word 'nigger' on this forum?
Posts: 9006
I notice that there are no black people working on the FCPD.
Racist p8g, HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!
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Brett Weir [QUOTE]Originally posted by duncan

Senior Member [Where have you seen me ever use the word 'nigger' on this forum?
Registered: May 2004 Like Michael Moore said in his book, "Stupid White Men"....I don't
Location: fear black people because they've never done anything to me.
Posts: 142
Most crimes are committed by stupid white men who vote
Republican and run the country secretly so they can get at all the
money.
I also don't think the word "nigger" is necessarily racist when it is

altered with a previous adjective like "white nigger" which would
connote a "caucasion perjorative person with little or no redeeming
value?!"
Even a brilliant left wing genius like Norman Mailer wrote an essay
called "White Nigger" in which he talked about the caucasian
beatniks who dropped out and explored the world of Jazz and R&B
in Greenwich Village during the fifties. So if Mailer can get away
with this distinction..."then so can I when I hate copslime."
06-13-2004 02:35 AM
duncan I'm a big fan of Lenny Bruce.

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BLUE IN N.Y.C. Who's talking to you? I was referring to your lover al!
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Then again you interject the word under the auspices of innocence,
Registered: Apr 2004 as in a previous query, " When have you seen me use the word
Location: "Nigger" on this forum?"
Posts: 667
You've no problem begging for money or "REPARATIONS" as you
term it, claiming YOUR family fought to free the Slaves and the
Jews!"
You're are truly a flaming IDIOT!

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don't expend so much energy on the LENGHTHY POSTS.
I don't read them and neither do the majority of those who skim
through the sections. The content is either repetative crap or some
long winded bullshiit trying to JUSTIFY your hateful attitude!
There'd be no way on God's Green Earth I'd let ANYONE except

Jesus Christ appearing in the FLESH, talk me into or force ne to
seek Psychiatric Help as you claimed the local Police did you!
A Psychiatric Evaluation isn't REQUIRED ordered unless a SERIOUS

CRIME has been committed by the individual. I don't understand
how YOU got caught up in the bullshiit if you've done nothing
criminal?
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I've NEVER come across a TRIO of HOMOPHOBES like duncam - al -

neal before!
Every post out of neal/brett ot whayever jerk off boy persona he

claims at post time includes the term "FAGGOT."
The disdain you have for whattever person/group is

OVERSHADOWED by the repetative inflection of the same
derrogatory term. Get over it! Move on to the crux of the issue!
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al.......shiit man! What can I say about a white boy in prison? He

HATES everyone because he keeps getting caught!
Yo! My man! Did it ever OCCUR to you that you weren't any good at
criminal activity home boy? That's why your ass keeps getting
thrown back in the pen!
You want to PROVE how MACHO you are by bandying about

NEGATIVE and RACIAL/ETHNIC slurs around and PROCLAIMING you
are now a "productive member of society."
You may be "productive" in terms of holding down a nickle & dime

job found by a social worker but you're trying to impress yourself
by making more of it. It's productive in the sense the taxpayers

aren't footing the bill for your lard ass laying up in the pen doing
squat!
I see you MAKE NO APOLOGY Ffor your Skinhead Attitude and

Remarks! The sign of a LOYAL lad of the Neo Nazi Regime!
You'll soon find your way back to the pen!
06-13-2004 10:49 PM
duncan What makes you think I owe you a f*cking thing?

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This is the real point of my reparations position.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado So when you called Al a 'cracker' you did so out of love and
Posts: 9006 compassion?
You sound just like Peters and his stupid Jewish conspiracy crap.
You think all white folks are out to get you.
So if a guy uses the word 'fag' then that person should be arrested?
Or singled our for persecution and discrimination against?
Holy sh*t I used the word 'fag' and now what the f*ck are you
going to do about you nazi ****?
I use the word 'fag' simply becuase you don't want me to and
becuase it makes you look like a flaming hypocrite when you
express your HATRED!!!! towards a person for the use of a mere
word like 'fag' and then follow up with persecution of any perosn
who uses a mere word that you find offensive. And when you will
place my name in some kind of 'spy file' like the incredible ADL has
done to me already it only proves that you "Thought Copsters" are
the real nazi's in society and pale in comparison to fools like Peters.
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Matt1 quote:
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Registered: Feb 2004 You sound just like Peters and his stupid Jewish
Location: conspiracy crap. You think all white folks are out
Posts: 1818 to get you.
You do this as well Duncan.
06-17-2004 12:39 AM
duncan Well what do ya know it is Mr. 24 f*cking 7 posting more of his cop
Moderator crap.
Registered: Jul 2003 This scum s8cking p8g never works for living he just lives off of our
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado wealth and then posts cop crap on a tax paid for computer.
Posts: 9006
So how big of a welfare check do you receive every month and
what other tax paid bennies do you milk from the state commie?
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Posts: 1818 So how big of a welfare check do you receive
every month and what other tax paid bennies do
you milk from the state commie?
not as much as you do from unemployment and welfare.

06-17-2004 02:56 AM
duncan yea cop work must be real tough

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as matt the thug sits on his fat ass posting his cop crap on our
Registered: Jul 2003 forum
Posts: 9006 I get nothing from either one of these socialist organization
how much do you get form the state commie?
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Brett Weir Look at this faggot dork...now she's calling the shots?!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BLUE IN N.Y.C.

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Neal/Bret/Jerk Off Boy or whatever the hell you call yourself ---
don't expend so much energy on the LENGHTHY POSTS.
I don't read them and neither do the majority of those who skim
through the sections. The content is either repetative crap or some
long winded bullshiit trying to JUSTIFY your hateful attitude!
There'd be no way on God's Green Earth I'd let ANYONE except

Jesus Christ appearing in the FLESH, talk me into or force ne to
seek Psychiatric Help as you claimed the local Police did you!

The disdain you have for whattever person/group is

OVERSHADOWED by the repetative inflection of the same
derrogatory term. Get over it! Move on to the crux of the issue!
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[I]Hey "Blue Faggot NYPD"....what are you doing at this forum?!

What are you doing?....You should be cutting up the precinct pad
money so all the mafia connected bookies, pimps and drug dealers
can buy you a new car.
1) If you don't like long posts...."don't read them." WHAT THE HELL
ARE YOU DOING HERE?!
2) I'm not "justifying" anything...and anybody who doesn't hate

"cop corruption, hypocrisy, drug war sentences, or criminal
immunity for liars isn't a patriotic American.
3) GO HOME TO YOUR COP FORUM...No one likes you, no one

respects you, no one is gonna miss you "when you finally realize
that you belong with liars at a liar's forum....GO HOME AND SUCK
ON A DONUT. Don't be a masochist by coming here. You don't
deserve this kind of abuse. Your a big, brave, hero saving the day.
4) Most people who don't embrace "authentic explorations of your

own defence mechanisms" are actually afraid of all the thoughts
and emotions your holding down inside. That is very unhealthy and
impedes your spiritual growth.
5) Choose your own poisen, if you don't think "you're insane,

irrational, employing defence mechanisms" then fine, "it's no skin
off of my ass." Go ahead...go shoot another unarmed citizen
reaching for his wallet...or go coverup your buddies ramming a
plunger up some guy's ass after cuffing him....see if I care.
6) On the topic of Jesus Christ...I don't think he would have much

to say to you....Jesus doesn't have much interest in "sinners who
don't repent"...Jesus doesn't really care for drug war casualties and
"non violent possessors of organic chemicals being raped in jail"...
but I know, "as an upright, righteous, ineffable pillar of the
community, that you don't have a problem with being a miserable,
backstabbing cop... projecting your own guilty and sin onto people
who haven't done anything other than "possess organic chemicals."
Poseing as a black NYPD cop (who knows what you are...most

cowardly swine are afraid to state their name?...How insane is "an
irrational fear of being identified?!)
7) And by the way...if your gonna pose as articulate or

sophisticated you might think about getting a dictionary and looking
up the word "inflection" and "acks yoself" if you "used the right
word in that sentence?! Your sentence would make sense if you
inserted the word "use" rather than "inflection" because the word

"inflection" refers to "how someone annunciates a word" to

emphasize or make a point.
8) And by the way, the thought occurs to me, "WHAT THE HELL
ARE YOU DOING AT THIS FORUM?!" We don't like liars...liars belong
with other liars..."children should be seen not heard". It should be
obvious by now..."that you just don't belong here." Some people
just can't take a hint?!
9) Nobody likes you, no one respects you, nobody wants you

around. Your not welcome...you don't have a bogus warrant...you
have no authority...nobody is gonna kiss your ass here...you'd be
better off putting on your badge and enforcing some petty little
ordinance so you can selfishly put some more contempt into the
world....and believe me "that contempt is gonna come back at
you"...
10) "The Wages of Sin is Death" which really means that "for all the
stupid selfish bull sh-t you've pulled in your life....it all backfires
because No One can enjoy their life while engaging in bogus
illusions of actually being an authority figure."
11) The job and your past is gonna wear on you. Why do you think
cops have abnormally high rates of suicide, depression, suspicion,
divorce, drug abuse, etc? Quit now...smoke a joint...listen to some
good music....and put this little charade behind you...you'll feel alot
better.
12) Being a cop is a job "you want to avoid or leave for something
alot better." Being a cop is for burnouts....broken spirits...saddists...
rigid types...it's a spiritually empty existence requiring a litany of
defence mechanisms to make it work. Defence mechanisms cost
alot of energy to maintain.
13) A defence mechanism is alot like too many pop up ads blocking
your RAM. Your mind and spirit won't work as effeciently or
righteously. It's time for you to quite your job and actually become
something useful and respectful. It's time to grow up and live a
happy life. Move out of the city....roam out west living in a tent....
see the mountains, oceans, and vast open spaces out West. It's
time to shape up and stop wasting your time at COPWATCH.
14) GO HOME to your defence mechanisms....and..."your getting

older and closer to death every day...and nothing will stop that...so
why waste precious time here?!
15) You should be licking your chops about the next Holacaust
coming down the pike in which your "Police State Leaders" are
gonna lead morons like you down the same path as all the other
police states. YOU KNOW IT AND I KNOW IT. You might get to be
the matron who escorts poor kids into a gas chamber some day.
16) YOU KNOW and I KNOW...THAT YOUR police state heros,

MUELLER AND ASHCROFT..."committed treason" by advocating and

conspiring to commit acts of domestic terrorism in America (WTC

1993, OK CITY BOMB 1995, 9/11, Anthrax Letter Murders...etc.)?!
How come FBI has a hard time "keeping anybody interested in

working counterterrorism?! Special Agent LARRY MEFFORD was the
third agent in 1 and a half years to quit his post as Executive
Assistant Director fo Counterterrorism and counterintelligence at
FBI HQ?! It took MEFFORD five months to realize that "The US DOJ
has no interest in stopping domestic terrorism in America." It's a
power play....so.....how does that make you feel with all those dead
new yorkers dieing on 9/11?!
How does that make you feel when you realize the top cops are
nothing but lying, scheming criminals who have "unilaterally
rewritten the constitutional" according to their own financial and
egocentric agendas?! YUP...it's all a con.
17) Your just a soldier...cannon fodder....a cog in the machine. YOU

HAVE NO SOLUTIONS. YOU HAVE NO ABILITY TO MAKE PEACE.
YOU HAVE NO ANSWERS. YOU HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR
FOLLOWING IRRATIONAL ORDERS. YOUR A MACHINE. YOUR NOT
HUMAN. YOUR NOT A SPIRITUAL CREATURE.
YOUR A COP ROBOT AT AN "ANTI GOVERNMENT ROBOT FORUM"...

SO GO BACK TO THE LAB AND HAVE THE MAD SCIENTEST
DOWNLOAD SOME DEFENCE MECHANISM SOFTWARE TO BUNDLE
WITH ALL YOUR PRIOR PROGRAMMING.
GO SUCK A DONUT....and go buy some more duct tape and plastic

sheets to tape up your windows because ASHFAGGOT has some
more terrorism to unleash on America to make sure he and Bush
stay in power. How much you want to bet....if Bush is losing in the
polls before the election...that another unsolved act of terrorism
occurs?!
18) After 9/11....how is The FBI and Ashfaggot gonna maintain

credibility if the intell community creates more terrorism to get
Patriot Act II passed?! "You can fool some of the people some of
the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time."
The FBI has painted itself into a corner. You can only burn down
your own Reichstag a couple of times before people wisen up?! And
don't forget about answering the burning question, "WHO IS
GETTING THEIR HANDS ON 500 BILLION DOLLARS GENERATED
FROM ILLEGAL DRUGS?!"
Go study ex DEA agent Mike Levine's website...and read his essays

and books....you'll see that he lost his son (a NYPD cop) to the drug
war violence?!
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06-17-2004 08:08 AM
Texastwister1 Dam, Brett, that was one of the best posts i have read on here yet.
Senior Member (excellent) Its does kinda make you think. I was thinking that when
the polls start to get behind, i have this feeling that Osama will
Registered: May 2004 show up all of a sudden.
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Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by Texastwister
Registered: Feb 2004 Dam, Brett, that was one of the best posts i have
Location: read on here yet. (excellent) Its does kinda make
Posts: 1818 you think. I was thinking that when the polls
start to get behind, i have this feeling that Osama
will show up all of a sudden.
Shows how wrong you were on yet another topic. The better man
won the election fair and square.
Has anyone seen or heard from Neal.
06-13-2005 09:38 PM
duncan and how long has it been since we have seen oir heard form you
Moderator stupid?
Registered: Jul 2003 Considering the fact that Neil uses many other monikers how do
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado you know that he not still here ya f*cking dumbass?
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Texastwister1 quote:
Senior Member
Registered: May 2004 Shows how wrong you were on yet another topic.
Location: The better man won the election fair and square.
Posts: 1744
Whatever you say Matt.
It must really suck to be brainwashed.
06-14-2005 01:37 AM
Mad Abe quote:

?????
Registered: Jan 2005 Shows how wrong you were on yet another topic.
Location: Western hemisphere The better man won the election fair and square.
Posts: 833
Yes, the better man(drunk, conspiracy mongering ******) won the

election.
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Texastwister1 Abe, This brainwashed fool is not even worth the reply. We all know
Senior Member the truth.
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Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Location: Considering the fact that Neil uses many other
Posts: 1818 monikers how do you know that he not still here
ya f*cking dumbass?
Neal has a posting style that is easy to recognize. I did see he

recently returned and is still talking to himself using several
different names: wowee zowee, Jim"twotimes", nico4, and nico2.
He also posted as unregistered in the same topic.
http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...=&threadid=9922
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Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2004 i have this feeling that Osama will show up all of
Location: a sudden.
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Way to buy in to the leftwing BS!

08-10-2005 01:20 AM
duncan Godslop and matt the thug have once agian proven me correct.
Moderator They will violate our property rights, which is just the opposite of
what they claim that their mission as copsters are. They were asked
Registered: Jul 2003 to leave and respect our home, yet here the nazi's are posting on a
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado privately owned forum to stalk our members and gather information
Posts: 9006
on them that they and their ilk will use at a later time.
Why else would these swine be here? They obviously hate what we
have to say about them and their fellow nazi's.
They have nothing to contribute to our free society. They are both
simply acting as a parasites upon the host body of this forum in
hopes of distracting us from our goals of freedom.
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Moderator They will violate our property rights which is just the opposite of
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They have nothing to contribute to our society. They are both

hopes of distratcing us for our goals of freedom.
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Matt1 And you whine about other people cutting and pasting?! You have
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Registered: May 2004 And you whine about other people cutting and
Location: pasting?! You have cut and pasted that same post
Posts: 1744 in several different sections.

"Our state and local law enforcement officers do not operate as

"secret police" whose names are exempt from public disclosure." -
Washington State Appeallate Court
08-10-2005 12:09 PM
Matt1 What does your response have to do with the one of mine that you
Senior Member quoted?

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Registered: Not Yet The only tough part about being a cop is trying to
Location: keep track of all of the lies.
Posts: N/A
Why does Duncan keep quoting other people? Does anyone else
find it annoying? Duncan is obviously one of those conspiracy buffs
that sit in their basement 24 hours a day drinking coffee and not
shaving smoking unfilterd Pall Malls screaming in the mirror about
how the government is out to get him. That's awfully arrogant to
think that the government is interested in you. Why would they be?
Who are YOU? Of all the people in the country the FBI or any other
government agency could choose to pick on, why would they
choose Duncan? What makes him so dangerous that they have to
try and shut him down? I think Duncan needs to get over himself. If
he was all that important he wouldn't have hundreds of messages
on this ****ty website. But of course, I'm sure he's a self-
employed millionaire. I have to agree with Neal Cassady to a point.
I feel that if cops abuse their power to commit crimes, then they
should be punished more severely than a citizen. It's very
dangerous for the police to be involved in criminal activity. Once

you lose the trust of the public you have a serious problem. I
understand that the public, in general, have a negative attitude
towards the police. In some cases it is understandable. But you
could sit and beat down any profession if you waited long enough.
How many doctors are involved in illegal billing practices? How
many lawyers are involved in illegal activity? You don't have
lawyerwatch.com or doctorwatch.com. This website is merely to
have a few people make themselves feel important by showing how
they're being mistreated by the police. I think that people would
take your negative comments more serious if you were impartial,
but you're not. A policeman could save 15 lives and you wouldn't
say a damned good word about him. But if he gets out of a
speeding ticket, he deserves to burn in hell. I'm a long time police
officer myself and I believe in free speech and the right to bear
arms. I feel speech used to exchange ideas with each other is vital
to the greatness of our country. But I feel that the use of speech to
promote hate against anyone is dangerous. All you do is complain. I
don't see you with any ideas intelligent ideas that would help. You
sound like a communist. You also sound like you're stupid. Just
because of a few bad cops, does that mean they're all bad? We had
3 armed robberies last night committed by black men, does that
mean that all black men are out to rob people? No. Your stupidity
amazes me. How you come on here day after day and show
everyone how stupid you are shows that you have no shame. It's
obvious that most of your brain cells are only used to tell your body
when to breathe. How lucky for the rest of us.
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Texastwister1 What rock did this un-registurd crawl out from under?
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09-05-2005 01:46 PM

nico98 quote:
Member
Originally posted by Unregistered
Registered: Aug 2005 That's awfully arrogant to think that the government is
Location: interested in you. Why would they be? Who are YOU?
Posts: 44 Of all the people in the country the FBI or any other
government agency could choose to pick on, why would
they choose Duncan? ...
... I have to agree with Neal Cassady to a point. I feel

that if cops abuse their power to commit crimes, then
they should be punished more severely than a citizen.
... I understand that the public, in general, have a

negative attitude towards the police.
....In some cases it is understandable. But you could sit

and beat down any profession if you waited long
enough. How many doctors are involved in illegal billing
practices? How many lawyers are involved in illegal
activity? You don't have lawyerwatch.com or
doctorwatch.com.
....This website is merely to have a few people make

themselves feel important by showing how they're
being mistreated by the police. I think that people
would take your negative comments more serious if
you were impartial, but you're not.
.... I feel speech used to exchange ideas with each

other is vital to the greatness of our country. But I feel
that the use of speech to promote hate against anyone
is dangerous.
....All you do is complain. I don't see you with any

ideas intelligent ideas that would help. You sound like a
communist. You also sound like you're stupid. Just
because of a few bad cops, does that mean they're all
bad?
...We had 3 armed robberies last night committed by

black men, does that mean that all black men are out
to rob people? [/B]
1) Duncan is targeted and has been targeted for at least 10 years

because "he wanted to show a movie at CSU called The Rules of
Engagement." It was about Waco, and government lies. The FBI
and right wing police....have always targeted social activists, free
speach, and dissidents. Read Frank Donner's "The Age of
Surveillance."

2) The public seems to sheepishly allow, deny, and support

anything the police state wants to do, and has done in the past. You
couldn't find a better flock of sheep, than the average flag waiving,
American tax payer.
3) Corrupt doctors--go ask Robert Mueller....he announced in the

last year that the FBI would shift some men off of the bogus
terrorism to Medicaid Fraud (estimated as a 100 Billion$ scam
every year?).
4) Corrupt lawyers--yup. The State BArs are always staffed by little,

bill padding, shysters with GOP ties. Look at The Texas STate BAr
Disciplinary actions...then notice ERic Moebius' allegations. Where is
Austin FBI and Anthony Brown?!
5) Free Speach means....the right to complain. "Take away the

right to so f0ck...and you take away the right to say f0ck the
government."
6) If you don't like it here...don't let the door hit you in the ass.
09-05-2005 11:48 PM
pat8942 Re: BLUE IN N.Y.C.

Member
quote:

Registered: Oct 2006 HEY DUNCAN!
Location: Deming,NM
Posts: 59 I GOTCHA YOUR NUMBER & PROFILE! A CRANKED
UP METH HEAD! I'M OLDER THAN YOU AND TOO
BAD ABOUT YOUR FAMILY. THEY'RE PROBABLY
BETTER OFF WITHOUT AN EMBARASSMENT LIKE
YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
COURT'S DECIDE THE FATE OF THE ALLEDGED

PERPETRATORS NOT ME! IF YOU BOTHERED TO
READ I STATED I WASN'T A MALE BUT A FEMALE!
I WAS WORKING WITH MOIRA SMITH ONE OF

THE N.Y.P.D. FEMALE OFFICERS WHO'D PERISHED
IN THE TOWER TRADGEDY! I CARE NOT TO
REHASH THE EXPERIENCE FOR PERSONAL
REASONS. IF YOU'D LIKE MORE NAMES REFER TO
THE INTERNET & OTHER MATERIAL PRINTED!
YOU'D PROBABLY EMBRACE THE LIKES OF AL
QAIDA IF THEY'D FLASH CASH IN YOUR
FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CHECK UP THE ELDERLY? WHY SHOULD YOU?

GEE! I DON'T KNOW??????????????? YOU CLAIM
THEY'VE FAMILY WHAT ABOUT THE ONES THAT
DON'T????????? THE HELL WITH
THEM?????????????
PEOPLE MARRY OR OFTEN PAIR UP WITH

CHAMELEONS!!!!!!!! YOU CAN LIVE WITH AN
INDIVIDUAL AN ENTIRE LIFETIME & NEVER
KNOW THEM!
YOU BEEN SUPPORTING ME SINCE YOU WERE

15?????? HOW BY SELLING DRUGS OR
PIMPING?????????????? EDUCATED YOU'RE
DEFINITELY NOT ---- CHECK THE SPELLING &
TYPOS!!!!!!!!!!!!
THERE'S NO GANGS IN COLORADO?????????

WHERE DO YOU LIVE ON A MOUNTAIN TOP
DAVEY CROCKET??????????????
I RESIDE IN THE CITY I WAS BORN AND RAISED
IN! I'VE PREVIOUSLY STATED A PORTION OF MY
PERSONAL EFFORTS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE
SCOPE OF MY JOB. PROVIDING YOU WITH NAMES
& ADDRESSES WOULD DO EXACTLY
WHAT???????????
WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO CHANGE THE

WORLD?????????? PROBABLY JACK ****!!!!!!!!
MORE THAN LIKELY YOU GOT SNAGGED FOR DUI
OR B.S. "OPEN CARRY" TRYING TO PROVE YOU'RE
BIG BOSS MAN!!!!!!!!!
I TEACH FIREARMS & TACTICS TO L.E.O.'S &

CIVILIANS AS WELL AS UNARMED SELF DEFENSE
TO WOMEN & THE ELDERLY FREE OF CHARGE! I'M
A PARAMEDIC WITH THE LOCAL VOLUNTEER
AMBULANCE HERE ALSO!
BIG FREAKIN' DEAL YOU'RE A VOLUNTEER

FIREMAN ----------- HOW'D YOU PUT OUT THE
FIRES????????? PISS OUT THE BEER OR METH
YOU SUCKED UP ALL DAY ON WELFARE THAT MY
TAX DOLLARS PAID FOR????????????
"GANGS OF NEW YORK" WAS A PROFILE OF THE

IRISH --- SHANTY IRISH AT THAT! DID I STRIKE
A NERVE????????????? TOO FREAKIN'
BAD!!!!!!!!!!! IF THE TRUTH HURTS ****
HEAD!!!!!!!!!
MOST OF YOUR POLICE CORRUPTION HERE & IN

OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY CAME FROM THE

IRISH IN OFFICE AT THE TIME ----- CHECK THE

HISTORY BOOKS ----- NOTE THE NAMES MAYBE
YOU'LL LEARN SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU CLAIM TO HAVE COLLEGE "CREDENTIALS"

------- WHAT SCHOOLS HAVE YOU
ATTENDED?????? STATING THAT B.S. MEANS ZIP
TO ME ALSO ------- STATE YOU'RE CLAIM!!!!!!!!!!
YOU PROBABLY ARE EMBITTERED BECAUSE YOU
COULDN'T BE APPNTED TO A DEPARTMENT OR
CATCH A COLD!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'VE GOT MY BACHELORS FROM JOHN JAY IN

POLICE SCIENCE GRADUATED "SUMMA CUM
LAUDE." I'VE ALSO RECIEVED A MASTERS IN
FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGY FROM THE SAME
UNIVERSTY & I'M WORKING ON MY PhD. IN
FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGY TO BEGIN WORKING
WITH MENTALLY DEFICIENT CREATINS LIKE
YOU!!!!!!!
PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO CLAIM TO BE RABEL

ROUSERS ARE PARASITES IN THEIR OWN
RITE!!!!!!!! ALL OF YOU SHOULD BE ROUNDED UP
& DEPORTED TO YOUR OWN ISLAND & LEFT TO
FEND FOR YOURSELVES!!!!!! IF YOU LIVED UNDER
ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT YOU'D NOT HAVE THE
FREEDOMS YOU CLAIM YOU DESPISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds like you can't handle the truth
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pat8942 Re: i know duncan

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Registered: Oct 2006 yo! i know this duncan dude he's a friggin meth
Location: Deming,NM freak he got lucky with a bull**** settlement
Posts: 59
because of the columbine issue but the slimy
****bag has been in & out of jail he lives on
welfare man don't have a car or nothing.
he's bum using some poor slobs computer to

crank out bull****.
he got his ass beat so many times because of his
big mouth likes to call people names but hates it
when the return fir
he had a skank bitch he was live with a typical

crack whore she split when she found out he was
a ****in broke ass bum
100000000000000000% L O S E R .
You have got to be a cop.

A five year old could write better than you.
Try learning to spell simple words and some improvment in
grammer might be a good idea also.
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"Why does Duncan keep quoting other people?" - copster
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" Does anyone else find it annoying?"
Nope, just copscum like you find me annoying.
"Duncan is obviously one of those conspiracy buffs that sit in their

basement 24 hours a day drinking coffee and not shaving smoking
unfilterd Pall Malls screaming in the mirror about how the

government is out to get him."
Don't have a basement, don't smoke, don't drink coffee. How does
one shave a smoking unfiltered Pall Mall? Tell us oh great and
experienced copscum how does one do this sort of thing.
"That's awfully arrogant to think that the government is interested

in you. Why would they be?"
Awfully arrogant of those FBI pukes to spy on those whom they

hate over what they have stated publicly in regards to the issues
surrouding Waco and Columbine.
"Who are YOU?"
I'm the little nobody that is going to take down the people who
killed Dwayne Sells and the copscum of Cheyenne who help to
cover for their murdereous pals who committed the crime. I'm the
guy who is scaring the **** out of your fat freind Ed Hunt.
Who are you to ask me anything? How arrogant of you to demand

that your questions be answered.
"Of all the people in the country the FBI or any other government
agency could choose to pick on, why would they choose Duncan?"
The FBI picks on everyone who refuses to buy into their BS and
would are speak out agianst their fascist crap.
"What makes him so dangerous that they have to try and shut him
down?"
I question them and they fear they truth just like you do Chey guy.
The truth is your pals murdered Sells and there is no statue of
limitaitons for the crime of murder or the crime of conspiring with
others to cover up a murder.
"I think Duncan needs to get over himself. If he was all that
important he wouldn't have hundreds of messages on this ****ty
website."
I think you need to get over me, otherwise why would you come
here so often to post your crap about me.
"But of course, I'm sure he's a self-employed millionaire. I have to

agree with Neal Cassady to a point."
We met when and were?
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COPWATCH.com Forum - The one good cop I have ever known.
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SJ01 The one good cop I have ever known.

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He was a resource officer for my school. He was a local volunteer to

multiple charity groups, he was always friendly to everyone, he
never got angry, and he never, to my knowledge, abused his
authority. He was a DARE volunteer, and he actually did the job
well instead of shouting "DRUGS ARE BAD!" and going off to eat his
donuts.
Come to think of it, I never saw him with a donut. Never. Not once.
Kudos to Officer Daniel Brown, who has shown me that there are
Location: still a few cops out there who can be trusted.
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He was a resource officer for my school. He was a
local volunteer to multiple charity groups, he was
always friendly to everyone, he never got angry,
and he never, to my knowledge, abused his
authority. He was a DARE volunteer, and he
actually did the job well instead of shouting
"DRUGS ARE BAD!" and going off to eat his
donuts.
Come to think of it, I never saw him with a donut.

Never. Not once.
Kudos to Officer Daniel Brown, who has shown

me that there are still a few cops out there who
can be trusted.
but he stole his pay check from the tax payer.

07-22-2006 02:29 AM
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but he stole his pay check from the tax payer.
I doubt you pay taxes, so why should you care?
09-26-2006 08:55 AM
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what a herooooooooooooo
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April 14, 2006

Registered: Oct 2003 Path to Deportation Can Start With a Traffic Stop
Location: Our Town, USA
Posts: 298 By PAUL VITELLO
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/14/n...agewanted=print
While lawmakers in Washington debate whether to forgive illegal

immigrants their trespasses, a small but increasing number of local
and state law enforcement officials are taking it upon themselves to
pursue deportation cases against people who are here illegally.
In more than a dozen jurisdictions, officials have invoked a little-

used 1996 federal law to seek special federal training in
immigration enforcement for their officers.

In other places, the local authorities are flagging some illegal

immigrants who are caught up in the criminal justice system,
sometimes for minor offenses, and taking it upon themselves to
alert immigration officials to their illegal status so that they can be
deported.
In Costa Mesa, Calif., for example, in Orange County, the City

Council last year shut down a day laborer job center that had
operated for 17 years, and this year authorized its Police
Department to begin training officers to pursue illegal immigrants —
a job previously left to federal agents.
In Suffolk County, on Long Island, where a similar police training

proposal was met with angry protests in 2004, county officials have
quietly put a system in place that uses sheriff's deputies to flag
illegal immigrants in the county jail population.
In Putnam County, N.Y., about 50 miles north of Manhattan, eight

illegal immigrants who were playing soccer in a school ball field
were arrested on Jan. 9 for trespassing and held for the
immigration authorities.
As an example of the uneven results that sometimes occur in such

cross-hatches of local and federal law enforcement, the seven
immigrants who were able to make bail before those agents arrived
went free. The one who could not make bail in time, a 33-year-old
roofer and father of five, has been in federal detention in
Pennsylvania ever since.
"I took an oath to protect the people of this county, and that means
enforcing the laws of the land," said Donald B. Smith, the Putnam
County sheriff. "We have a situation in our country where our
borders are not being adequately protected, and that leaves law
enforcement people like us in a very difficult situation."
Other local law enforcement officials expressed similar frustration at

the apparent inability of the federal government to stem the rise in
illegal immigration. It is a frustration they say has been growing in
the last few years, and is now reaching a point of crisis.
During that time, a number of coinciding trends may have added to

the sense that there has been a breach in the covenant between
the local and federal authorities, according to interviews with
immigration officials, police and advocates. These trends include a
housing boom that attracted growing numbers of illegal workers,
especially to distant suburbs and exurbs, where federal resources
are especially thin; an apparent stagnation in the size of the federal
immigration police force, which has remained at about 2,000 for
several years; and increasing local opposition to illegal immigration,
again, especially in the suburbs.
George A. Terezakis, a Long Island immigration lawyer, said that in

his practice, he had seen a trend. "The heat is definitely getting
turned up. Not just on criminals, but against people I would

consider charged with relatively minor offenses: Having an invalid

driver's license, a fake Social Security card. A person with a job and
a family can end up sitting in jail for months, and then being
deported."
Federal statistics do not measure the number of immigration arrests

and deportations that occur because of local intervention. Officials
with the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement
agency said the roughly 160,000 illegal immigrants deported last
year represented a 10 percent increase over the year before — and
a national record — but they could not say how many had been
referred by the local authorities.
Until fairly recently, it was viewed as inappropriate, even

unconstitutional, for the local or state authorities to be involved in
the enforcement of federal law. In Los Angeles, the police still
operate under an internal rule that says "undocumented alien
status is not a matter for police enforcement." Similar policies apply
in San Francisco and New York City.
But that may be changing, partly because the local authorities have
decided to play a more active role and partly because of an
unabashed call from the federal government seeking help from
states and localities.
"The untold story of immigration law is that there are just not
enough federal immigration officers to enforce the immigration laws
we have," said Kris W. Kobach, a law professor at the University of
Missouri-Kansas City who as a counsel in the Justice Department
worked on several cooperative agreements with state and local law
enforcement agencies.
"The only way our programs can work is with help from local law
enforcement, and we're expecting to see that happening more and
more," he said.
To make that happen, law enforcement officials have increasingly

been looking to a federal statute, the 1996 Immigration and
Nationality Act. It allows the local and state authorities to reach
agreements with the federal immigration and customs agency to
train their officers — in a four-week crash course — to be virtual
immigration agents, able to conduct citizenship investigations and
begin deportation proceedings against illegal immigrants.
The law went virtually un-tried in its first five years on the books.
Then Florida had 60 state agents and highway officers trained in
2002, and Alabama did the same for about 40 state troopers in
2003. In the next two years, the Arizona corrections department
and the Los Angeles and San Bernardino Counties in California each
had a few dozen officers trained.
Indicating a new sense of urgency, though, 11 additional state and

county jurisdictions have applied to enter the program in the past
year alone, according to a spokesman for Immigration and Customs

Enforcement, Michael W. Gilhooly. He would not specify which they

were, but public officials in Missouri, Tennessee, Arizona and about
a dozen additional counties in California, Texas and North Carolina
have publicly expressed interest in the program.
Local officials involved in these initiatives say they are mainly

targeting hardened criminals in the immigrant population — people
like gang members and sexual predators who have been the recent
target of sweeps by federal immigration agents.
But many of those affected by the new home-grown vigilance are

immigrants arrested for minor traffic violations, or charged with
unlicensed driving, possession of forged green cards and other
offenses that are virtually synonymous with the undocumented life,
say immigrant advocates and lawyers.
In Springfield, Mo., for example, a furor erupted recently when a

star player on the high school soccer team, Tobias Zuniga, was
arrested and jailed after a routine traffic stop because he admitted
to the officer that he was an illegal immigrant. Officers at the
Christian County Jail notified immigration agents, and Mr. Zuniga,
an 18-year-old senior, was held for a weekend before being
released on bail.
"He was stopped for having excessively tinted windows," Tom

Parker, the father of a friend and classmate of Mr. Zuniga, said in a
telephone interview. "And he spent three nights in jail with drug
dealers." Mr. Zuniga faces deportation hearings this month.
Federal immigration officials, however, maintain that the vast

majority of illegal immigrants detained and deported are people
convicted or charged with serious crimes. There are simply not
enough immigration agents to respond every time a suspected
illegal immigrant is arrested for driving with an invalid license, said
Marc Raimondi, a spokesman for the Immigration and Customs
Enforcement agency.
Daniel W. Beck, the sheriff of Allen County, Ohio, 100 miles

northwest of Columbus, said calling immigration agents is no
guarantee of action.
"When people drive without licenses, when they are in this country
illegally, it's really a right and wrong issue. I will arrest them," Mr.
Beck said. "Unfortunately, by the time a federal agent gets here,
they are sometimes already bailed out of jail."
But Marianne Yang, director of the Immigrant Defense Project of

the New York State Defenders Association, a lawyers' group, said a
recurring problem for immigrants, legal and illegal, is the high bail
set for them if they are arrested, no matter how minor the crime.
"What we see in the increasing collaboration between local

authorities and I.C.E. is situations where a person would normally
be released in his own recognizance, and instead is held on high

bail," she said of the agreements with the Immigration and

Customs Enforcement agency.
The arrests of the men playing soccer in Putnam County in January

might illustrate that phenomenon. Sheriff's deputies went there in
response to a complaint about safety by the administrator of the
elementary school, which was in session as the men played.
Mr. Smith, the Putnam sheriff, said deputies arrested the men that
day only after they refused the school administrator's request for
them to leave. They were charged with criminal trespass, a class B
misdemeanor, and a Brewster village judge set bail at $1,000 for
seven of the eight. Bail for the eighth man, Juan Jimeniz, a roofer,
was set at $3,000 because he was not able to provide his home
address.
Mr. Smith said federal immigration agents were called to the jail
because deputies suspected the men were illegal immigrants and
"because we are trying to uphold the law for the citizens of this
county."
When they arrived, seven of the men had made bail and Mr.
Jimeniz, who was not able to pay his bail, was taken by the
immigration agents to a federal detention wing of the Pike County
Jail in Hawley, Pa., where he has remained since, fighting
deportation.
"He has no criminal record," said Vanessa Merton, director of the

Immigration Justice Clinic of the Pace University Law School, which
represents Mr. Jimeniz. "He is a roofer. He is supporting five
children."
"There is no way you could describe his detention as anything but

haphazard, random and completely arbitrary," she said.
Mr. Kobach, the former Justice Department official, said

"unevenness has been endemic to the nature of immigration
enforcement in recent years."
But efforts by local and state authorities to pursue illegal

immigrants, he said, are at least in part, "an effort to deal with that
unevenness."
04-14-2006 12:29 AM

liberranter While some may view this situation as a negative, I think it's
Super Moderator fantastic that actual enforcement of the law is devolving back
into LOCAL hands.
That's exactly the way the Founders intended it. Besides, we've
all seen how incompetent the feds are, even under the best of
circumstances.
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Originally posted by liberranter
I think it's fantastic that actual enforcement
of the law is devolving back into LOCAL hands.
I just think it's fantastic that the cops are doing something that
can be construed as productive.
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Originally posted by A. Shemonia
I just think it's fantastic that the cops are
doing something that can be construed as
productive.
Think it'll become a common occurence? (I'm not going to hold

my breath).
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04-16-2006 02:20 AM

Mack I'm glad that somebody's finally doing something.

Assistant Moderator
It shouldn't be an exclusively federal job, but if the federal govt.
won't fulfill its most fundamental role of protecting us from
invasion, its really good for absolutely nothing.
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liberranter Detroit 911 Operators May Be Screwed Up, But Others Have It
Super Moderator Together
Not about cops, specifically, but pertains indirectly since it

covers emergency first-response.
In the wake of the disgraceful behavior of the Detroit 911

operator who, last week, chastised a six-year-old boy for
"playing with the phone", resulting in his mother dying of heart
failure, I'd like to recognize another 911 operator 700 miles
further east for doing her job well.
Location: Tucson, AZ According to a report broadcast last night (4/11/06) on News4
Posts: 5865 out of Washington, DC, a five-year-old boy in Richmond, VA
called 911 when his diabetic mother suffered insulin shock and
lapsed into a coma. The operator, sensing what was wrong,

talked the boy into giving her just enough information about his
mother's condition to quickly dispatch paramedics to the
family's home, thus preventing a fatality.
Maybe the City of Richmond should loan this lady out to Detroit
as a consultant to teach them how real emergency dispatchers
do their jobs.
You've no doubt noticed that I haven't referenced or linked to

any "official" news sources about this. I'm searching hard for
something, but, mysteriously, haven't found anything either on
News4's own website or in any of the online versions of DC or
Richmond papers. I'll follow up if I find anything.
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xtratabasco Re: Detroit 911 Operators May Be Screwed Up, But Others Have It
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Not about cops, specifically, but pertains
indirectly since it covers emergency first-
response.
In the wake of the disgraceful behavior of the

Detroit 911 operator who, last week, chastised a
six-year-old boy for "playing with the phone",
resulting in his mother dying of heart failure, I'd
like to recognize another 911 operator 700 miles
further east for doing her job well.

According to a report broadcast last night

(4/11/06) on News4 out of Washington, DC, a
five-year-old boy in Richmond, VA called 911
when his diabetic mother suffered insulin shock
and lapsed into a coma. The operator, sensing
what was wrong, talked the boy into giving her
just enough information about his mother's
condition to quickly dispatch paramedics to the
family's home, thus preventing a fatality.
Maybe the City of Richmond should loan this lady

out to Detroit as a consultant to teach them how
real emergency dispatchers do their jobs.
You've no doubt noticed that I haven't referenced

or linked to any "official" news sources about
this. I'm searching hard for something, but,
mysteriously, haven't found anything either on
News4's own website or in any of the online
versions of DC or Richmond papers. I'll follow up
if I find anything.
we all cant wait for your info on other tax thiefs.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
04-12-2006 12:18 PM
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we all cant wait for your info on other tax thiefs.
I most certainly agree that the entire (dysfunctional and

inefficient) emergency services and response system, like any
other aspect of government, should be completely privatized.
But as long as we're stuck with the current system, I think we
should at least recognize those rare creatures who actually do
Location: Tucson, AZ their jobs and do them well, if for no other reason than to
Posts: 5865 demonstrate that there is at least a glimmer of light at the end
of the tunnel (and to mark those few employees within the
current system that any private, for-profit business would want
to hire).

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04-12-2006 01:10 PM
L.E. Hero Blah, blah, blah. Detroit has some problems.

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04-12-2006 11:31 PM
Mack This is the type of thing that Grok was temporarily banned for.
Assistant Moderator
It's not substantive, it doesn't address the previous points, and it
doesn't really make any point of its own.
I think all of us have been banned from pro-cop websites for far
less.
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04-12-2006 11:45 PM
L.E. Hero My point is they made an obvious mistake. To think this is just an
Senior Member oversight would be foolish. They violated a written procedure.
Registered: Jul 2005 They are done.

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Originally posted by L.E. Hero
They are done.
Registered: Jul 2003 I think this is a perfect example of why so many of us detest cops.
Location: To a certain degree, I think it's a matter of style.
Posts: 5215
Almost without exception, cops act as though they are the final
arbiters of every disputed fact. It's like they consider themselves an
unimpeachable authority regarding whatever is under discussion.
No one can be right but them. The tone, the inflection, the
demeanor, the attitude... it's just innately repugnant to many,
many people.
Take note of how many cops posting here utilize this tone of
absolute finality in their posts.
I think they'd be much less prone to offending people if they were

less imperial in their pronouncements.
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liberranter Mack:
Super Moderator
I congratulate you on maintaining your civil tone with entities
like Grok and LE Zero. I think their postings and tone speak for
themselves. I try, both here and on my blog, to maintain a civil
tone with people and dialog like adults are normally expected to
in everyday discourse. Unfortunately, to paraphrase Confucius,
the only person to reason with a fool is an even bigger fool.
You might want to copy the response you just gave to LE's last
post and use it as a template to respond to all of the visitors to
this site who demand to know why dialog so quickly
degenerates into a cop-bashing "us-versus-them" free-for-all.
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04-13-2006 12:28 AM

xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2004 I think this is a perfect example of why so many
Location: of us detest cops. To a certain degree, I think it's
Posts: 2869 a matter of style.
Almost without exception, cops act as though

they are the final arbiters of every disputed fact.
It's like they consider themselves an
unimpeachable authority regarding whatever is
under discussion. No one can be right but them.
The tone, the inflection, the demeanor, the
attitude... it's just innately repugnant to many,
many people.
Take note of how many cops posting here utilize

this tone of absolute finality in their posts.
I think they'd be much less prone to offending

people if they were less imperial in their
pronouncements.
Good one Liberranter!!!!!! :goodjob:
And to Mack, well said.
That right hook you just gave godslop had to hurt.
You and Jim are great with the pen, better than I could or would be
ever.
04-13-2006 12:36 AM

Mack Thanks, Liberranter and XT.

Assistant Moderator
I take much of the blame for the current condition of the forum. For
too long, we followed a misguided policy of allowing completely free
and unimpeded debate. Hardly anyone was ever banned. Though
our motives were good, the experiment was a failure. Things just
degenerated into name-calling.
Our recent change in policy should have an immediate and hugely

Registered: Jul 2003 beneficial effect.
Location:
Posts: 5215 The forum is fulfilling a number of vital public functions. It acts as a
kind of depressurization-chamber for brainwashed folks who are
tentatively reconsidering their world-views. We expose them to the
information they need to be reawakened. We also sound an urgent
claxon regarding the massive and rapidly-expanding destruction of
our constitutional rights. Of course, the copwatch database is
crucial, in that it imposes perpetual and inescapable accountability
on the cops, even if the justice system lets them skate.
I view the forum as a public operating theater, where we are

continuously presented with interesting and typical specimens of
the porcine species. It's much more interesting and useful to
dissect, analyze, and catalog them than to trade insults with them.
Engaging in the latter only serves to obscure the real issues. Smart
ass invective provides a temporary feeling of satisfaction, but it's a
hollow victory that ultimately weakens the cause.
I'd like to encourage everyone to follow the example laid out in the
classic Copwatch graphic found at this link:
http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show....php?threadid=9
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04-13-2006 01:16 AM

liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
I'd like to encourage everyone to follow the
example laid out in the classic Copwatch graphic
found at this link:
http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show....php?
threadid=9

Location: Tucson, AZ That's BEAUUUUTIFUL! I need to download that ASAP!
Posts: 5865
:goodjob:
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04-13-2006 12:03 PM
Mack We've got a lot more, both on that thread and here:
Assistant Moderator
http://www.copwatch.org/artwork7.html
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L.E. Hero quote:

Senior Member
I think this is a perfect example of why so many of us
Registered: Jul 2005 detest cops. To a certain degree, I think it's a matter of
Location: Virginia style.
Posts: 447
Almost without exception, cops act as though they are
the final arbiters of every disputed fact. It's like they
consider themselves an unimpeachable authority
regarding whatever is under discussion. No one can be
right but them. The tone, the inflection, the demeanor,
the attitude... it's just innately repugnant to many,
many people.
A matter of style? No, not really. I think it is a pretty simple

conclusion that based on the facts given, that dispatcher will not be
employed much longer.
As an Officer and Instructor, I have been given many hours of

Liability and Negligence training. I am usually pretty good at
predicting what will likely happen with the outcome. This is even
easier when I see a little negligence in the equation.It doesn't have
anything to do with being wrong or right. Show me where this
argument is in the first place. I gave an opinion. No one was
challenged here.
I beleive that your response may be emotionally driven. Mine is not.

I don't sugarcoat my responses to make people feel better. I also
don't really take sides on the forum either.
quote:
Take note of how many cops posting here utilize this

tone of absolute finality in their posts.
I think they'd be much less prone to offending people if

they were less imperial in their pronouncements.
I understand that many have issues with authority. I can't help you

there. As far as offending folks, slow drivers, butt cracks hanging

out of jeans, Bush bumperstickers etc......all offend some folks
somewhere.
If these guys wore pink uniforms and gave out lollipops, you would
still not like them.
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04-13-2006 05:09 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
A matter of style? No, not really. I think it is a
pretty simple conclusion that based on the facts
given, that dispatcher will not be employed much
longer.
I certainly hope you're correct; at a minimum, she deserves to

fired. Worst case, she should face charges of criminal
Location: Tucson, AZ negligience if the facts support it. I haven't seen/heard any
Posts: 5865 additional news on this case, other than that the woman's
family is filing suit.
While I realize that kids "playing with the phone" and tying up
emergency response numbers for some period of time in the
process isn't uncommon, experience and common sense (i.e., a
frightened child of that young an age calling 911 isn't likely to
be a prank call ) should have told this operator to sit up and
pay attention. I'm sure, after what is bound to happen to her,
that her colleagues will in the future.
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04-13-2006 05:26 PM
Mack quote:
Assistant Moderator
A matter of style? No, not really.
You just proved my point with another example of a declarative

statement of opinion, directly contradicting another opinion, and
Registered: Jul 2003 phrased in a manner that brooks no dissent.
Location:
Posts: 5215 Perhaps I've just talked to too many cops and automatically hear
the disgustingly self-satisfied tonal inflection of such
pronouncements.
quote:
It doesn't have anything to do with being wrong or

right. Show me where this argument is in the first
place. I gave an opinion. No one was challenged here.
Yet another example.
quote:
I beleive that your response may be emotionally driven.
Without a doubt. But it's valid nonetheless.
quote:
Mine is not.
So you claim. Could be an ingrained, habitual, almost subconscious

expression of an emotional need to be in control.

quote:
As far as offending folks, slow drivers, butt cracks

hanging out of jeans, Bush bumperstickers etc......all
offend some folks somewhere.
None of these can kill you, and none can force you to pretend to
respect them upon pain of arrest.
quote:
If these guys wore pink uniforms and gave out

lollipops, you would still not like them.
True. I even disliked Officer Friendly.
Nobody talks to me in a preemptory tone of voice except my dad,

and sometimes I even tell him to **** off. Of course, he's unlikely
to shoot me, frame me, or arrest me in response.
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04-13-2006 05:44 PM

liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
You just proved my point with another example of a
declarative statement of opinion, directly
contradicting another opinion, and phrased in a
manner that brooks no dissent.
I think we've seen that it's useless to keep reminding him,

Mack. Asking LE to change his demeanor is like asking a dog to
Location: Tucson, AZ start eating with a knife and fork; he couldn't bring himself to
Posts: 5865 do it even if it was physically possible.
I think ignoring LE is the best possible solution, except when

responding to what few substantive points he manages to make
in his arguments.
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04-13-2006 06:06 PM

L.E. Hero quote:

Senior Member
Perhaps I've just talked to too many cops and
Registered: Jul 2005 automatically hear the disgustingly self-satisfied tonal
Location: Virginia inflection of such pronouncements.
Posts: 447
Perhaps you have lost much of your ability to view things from a
different and non-biased perspective. You wouldn't have one
beleive that all officers have control issues would you? There is a
difference between Ego and tonal inflection. I think it may be a bit
muddy for you?
quote:
Without a doubt. But it's valid nonetheless
My point is that your heart is much more likely to lie to you.I think
it is much better to use ones mind when faced with emotional
responses that may cause you to suffer in the long run. Is it really
valid? Emotions will muddy common sense and logic.
quote:
Could be an ingrained, habitual, almost subconscious

expression of an emotional need to be in control.
How have I been controlling? I don't tell you that your site needs to
be shut down like others. I don't post my name and contrary to one
posters belief, I don't monitor this site 24 hours a day. I also don't
view you guys as the "enemy".
quote:
Nobody talks to me in a preemptory tone of voice

except my dad, and sometimes I even tell him to ****
off. Of course, he's unlikely to shoot me, frame me, or
arrest me in response.
Strange.

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liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Nobody talks to me in a preemptory tone of voice
except my dad, and sometimes I even tell him to
**** off. Of course, he's unlikely to shoot me,
frame me, or arrest me in response.
Strange.

I'm just curious to know what exactly you find about Mack's
Posts: 5865 statement that's "strange"? Sounds pretty much like the
attitude your average free, thinking, independent adult human
being would make, albeit not always expressed in such a direct
manner.
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04-13-2006 06:24 PM

Mack quote:
Assistant Moderator
Perhaps you have lost much of your ability to
view things from a different and non-biased
perspective.
You wouldn't have one beleive that all officers

have control issues would you? There is a
Registered: Jul 2003 difference between Ego and tonal inflection. I
Location: think it may be a bit muddy for you?
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The idea that stereotypes are invalid, which is now accepted as an

article of faith by the vast majority of Americans, is nothing but the
worst sort of deceitful propaganda. There might be an officer out
there who doesn't have control issues vis a vis members of the
public, but that doesn't mean we must pretend such cops comprise
anything other than a small fraction of the ranks. For all intents and
purposes, it's accurate to say that the vast majority of cops have
serious control issues.
From a detached perspective, it's interesting to note the tactics of

argumentation being employed here. The cop raises a bunch of
unrelated and essentially irrelevant issues, then acts as if I was the
one who raised them, or as if they flow logically and inevitably from
what I had written.
I never mentioned ego, let alone in conjunction with tonal

inflection. He says that I am confusing the two, even though they
have no inherent interchangability. It's a transparent ploy to
confuse the issue and distract the subject.
quote:
My point is that your heart is much more likely to lie to

you.I think it is much better to use ones mind when
faced with emotional responses that may cause you to
suffer in the long run. Is it really valid? Emotions will
muddy common sense and logic.
Here's an appeal to the inherently decent nature of most

Americans. It's an effort to sow doubt and uncertainty; to cause
one to question the correctness of ones beliefs. Many if not most
people have a desire to be fair and a willingness to admit the
possibility if not the likelihood that they are wrong. You see this all
the time on "Cops", when suspects confess to wrongdoing simply in
order to unburden themselves.
Through constant media propaganda and the formal indoctrination

of the public school system, we've been trained to second-guess

ourselves and doubt the validity of our ideas, especially those which
arise as a consequence of our personal observations and
experience.
We're continuously told that the willful ignorance of observable

facts is morally essential. We're constantly informed that war is
peace and freedom is dangerous. We're lead to believe that there is
no right and wrong; that everything is a shade of gray; that we
can't judge anything because there are no absolute values.
As a consequence, we're much too ready to admit that we might be

wrong.
quote:
How have I been controlling? I don't tell you that your

site needs to be shut down like others. I don't post my
name and contrary to one posters belief, I don't
monitor this site 24 hours a day. I also don't view you
guys as the "enemy".
These posts are essentially disruptive, because they constitute a

faux challenge which must be responded to in order to preserve a
sense of communal cohesion. Responding to such posts requires
time which could be better spent on other issues. It also requires
patience and forbearance, two characteristics which are easily worn
thin.
Participants view this forum from a proprietary perspective, and the

intrusion of a disruptive element is naturally considered hostile.
It may be that the threshold for exclusion must be set at a lower

point in order to create and maintain the type of online community
we want.
It's nothing personal.
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04-13-2006 07:08 PM
L.E. Hero quote:

Senior Member
The cop raises a bunch of unrelated and essentially
Registered: Jul 2005 irrelevant issues, then acts as if I was the one who
Location: Virginia raised them, or as if they flow logically and inevitably
Posts: 447 from what I had written.
They are relevant.I get the feeling that tonal inflection is not your
true irritant. The fact that you fail to recognize authority is your
problem. A guy that is a grown man and would tell his father to
**** off has some anger control problems as well. Wouldn't you
agree?
quote:
I never mentioned ego, let alone in conjunction with

tonal inflection. He says that I am confusing the two,
even though they have no inherent interchangability.
It's a transparent ploy to confuse the issue and distract
the subject.
I beleive that you are confusing the two. As far as a transparent

ploy, you give me a little too much credit. There is no effort to
distract or even change the subject.
quote:
Here's an appeal to the inherently decent nature of

most Americans. It's an effort to sow doubt and
uncertainty; to cause one to question the correctness of
ones beliefs. Many if not most people have a desire to
be fair and a willingness to admit the possibility if not
the likelihood that they are wrong. You see this all the
time on "Cops", when suspects confess to wrongdoing
simply in order to unburden themselves
Not your beliefs, just your actions. When you base all your

reactions on emotion and not logic, you develop some nasty

problems. Just look at the state of California as proof or you could
look at the Rodney King video
quote:
Responding to such posts requires time which could be

better spent on other issues. It also requires patience
and forbearance, two characteristics which are easily
worn thin.
Participants view this forum from a proprietary

perspective, and the intrusion of a disruptive element is
naturally considered hostile.
You sound like the baby and all of the sudden I am the one that
took the candy from you.
.
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liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
The fact that you fail to recognize authority is your
problem.
Again, as Mack pointed out, a typical cop response, and a

completely erroneous one at that.
Your authority is legitimate only insofar as you are exercising

it within reasonable parameters to uphold the law. Let me
Posts: 5865 further define "the law", a term that is as flagrantly misused
today among SOLs as the terms "democracy" and "freedom"
are by the current presidential administration. "The law" is that

narrow body of legislation compliant with both the letter and

spirit of the state and federal constitutions (which right off the
bat excludes 99.99 percent of the statutes currently on the
books at the local, state, and federal level) that is focused
solely on the protection of the citizens of the community and
their property in accordance with the precepts set forth in the
Bill of Rights.
Within the bounds of that definition, I think we can all say with
near certainty that 99 percent of what you do in the course of
an average duty day has nothing whatsoever to do with "the
law" and hence, your "authority", and everything whatsoever to
do with further enriching and empowering the State at the
expense of said citizen's rights that you swore an oath to uphold
and protect.
So to sum it all up, Mack (and I, and 99.99 percent of the other
copwatchers on this forum) wholeheartedly "recognizes",
respects, and obeys the "authority" that upholds "the law" as
I've just defined it and as the Founders of the nation envisioned
it. The fact that this excludes 99.99 percent of what you do "in
the line of duty" on any given day should give you pause.
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04-14-2006 02:05 PM

Mack quote:
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Your authority is legitimate only insofar as you
are exercising it within reasonable parameters to
uphold the law. *** "The law" is that narrow
body of legislation compliant with both the letter
and spirit of the state and federal constitutions
(which right off the bat excludes 99.99 percent of
Registered: Jul 2003 the statutes currently on the books at the local,
Location: state, and federal level) that is focused solely on
Posts: 5215 the protection of the citizens of the community
and their property in accordance with the
precepts set forth in the Bill of Rights.
Nicely said! I can't think of anything to add.
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liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Nicely said! I can't think of anything to add.
I can. Forgot to add this, just in case anyone needs a reference.
Sorry!
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04-14-2006 04:13 PM
Mack I'm going to mostly ignore everything that's irrelevant, and respond
Assistant Moderator only to a couple of matters:
quote:
Originally posted by L.E. Hero The fact that you fail to

recognize authority is your problem. A guy that is a
grown man and would tell his father to **** off has
some anger control problems as well.
Location:
Posts: 5215
- Liberranter has already dissected and thoroughly discredited your

self-serving definition of authority.
- I must admit that I was exaggerating for the sake of emphasis. I

haven't ever actually told my father to **** off. The point to be
made was that one's own parents, who by any measure have the
greatest natural right to demand obedience from their offspring,
aren't entitled to and generally don't treat them with the degree of
disrespect and lethal authoritarianism utilized by the cops.
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liberranter Let me include this link just for LE's benefit.

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Hostage saved by police hero

Registered: Not Yet
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Posts: N/A A ROCHDALE policeman helped save the life of a young girl whose
drunken father was threatening to slash her throat with an eight-inch
kitchen knife.
For more than four hours trained hostage negotiator Sergeant Philip
Muller and a colleague used all their skill to talk the man, a former
soldier, into releasing the child unhurt.
"It was the most intense and delicate operation in the most difficult
circumstances I have ever been involved in," said Sergeant Muller.
"There was very serious concern that he was going to kill his daughter,
so it was an extremely difficult job to get him to surrender. There was
tremendous relief when he finally released his daughter and gave
himself up."
Yesterday, 49-year-old Sergeant Muller who lives in Littleborough, and

his colleague were given the Chief Constable’s Citation of Merit in a

ceremony at Manchester Town Hall for their exceptional courage and
bravery.
It was the day before Christmas eve that police were called to a house
in the Northern Moor area of Manchester after the ex-soldier returned
home in a drunken rage.
After assaulting and threatening to kill his wife, he threw her out of the
house and locked their six-year-old daughter inside.
When two police constables arrived at the scene they looked through
the glass in the locked front door and could see a man holding the knife.
The man swore at them, threatening to kill them both and his daughter
if they attempted to enter.
One of the policemen, assisted by colleagues, used a ram to smash the
door open and was confronted by the man, who lunged at him with the
knife.
Although the police officer managed to deflect the blows, he was faced
with such a vicious assault that he and other officers were forced to
withdraw.
Despite the danger three constables re-entered the house using
protective shields and saw the man clutch his daughter and put the
knife to her throat.
As one police officer tried to reason with him, the man again tried to
stab him, narrowly missing him.
Realising the peril the young girl was in, the police officers abandoned a
further rescue attempt.
A short time later Sergeant Muller and another officer arrived and
began the lengthy and painstaking process of negotiating with the knife
man.
The man then put the knife to the child’s throat and took her upstairs
with the intention of tempting the negotiator to a position of risk.
A psychologist suggested that, due to the man’s military background, a
more assertive style of negotiation should be used.
Sergeant Muller, who has been in the police force for 30 years and is
now based at the force’s Chester House headquarters, applied the
change in tactics with skill and professionalism, finally bringing the
traumatic siege to a conclusion after more than four hours.
The man put down his knife, surrendered and released the little girl
unharmed.
Later he appeared before Manchester Crown Court and was sentenced

to four years’ jail for common assault, false imprisonment, threats to
kill and affray.
11-11-2005 03:49 AM

GC Marciano Woopty fucking doo.

This is the kind of shit the pigs post in their desperate effort to
keep the public's attention distracted from their fellow cops who
rape children, murder whistle-blowers, deal drugs to kids, etc,
etc...
Nice try, fucknut.
You aren't fooling anybody here.

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the Internet is to inform the public for its own safety, not to humiliate the
officer, this effect is the result of the Officer's crimes. We agree with the state
that the right to be free from the shame, stigma and embarrassment resulting
from crimes committed by Sworn Officers of the Law is not the kind of
fundamental right contemplated by our constitution." - Illinois Supreme Court
All statements and opinions expressed are my personal opinions and are not to
be viewed as fact. I am not a speaking agent for Copwatch and have no
authority to bind Copwatch or to act on its behalf. My opinions, ideas, theories
and beliefs are my own and are not necessarily supported, condoned (or often
even appreciated) by Copwatch, it's subsidiaries or agents.
11-11-2005 04:31 AM
umlungosa Hey AL give credit where credit is due, you can have at the corrupt
Senior Member one all you want, but in the case you could have just said nothing.
Registered: Aug 2004 What would you or Duncan done in this situation?
Location:
11-11-2005 09:20 AM
xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by umlungosa
Registered: Jul 2004 Hey AL give credit where credit is due, you can have
Location: at the corrupt one all you want, but in the case you
Posts: 2869 could have just said nothing.
What would you or Duncan done in this situation?
1 cop out of tens of thousands of stories (10 everyday by nav), brings

tears to umlungosas eyes, the cop from the genicidal, murderous

country of Africa.
Gee, Im kind of getting teary eyed too over umlungosas pure heart of
emapathy.
Maybe umglungosa will look for the link since he cares so much.
11-11-2005 10:41 AM
GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by umlungosa
What would you or Duncan done in this
situation?
What any decent human being would do. I would help the person
in need, and I wouldn't demand "hero recognition" afterwards like
some piece of shit pig.
Posts: 9967
You're still not fooling anybody here, stupid.
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11-11-2005 07:11 PM

Yeah, ok A. Shemonia, I'm guessing 911 on everyone's phone rings to

Guest your house, and you're trained in hostage rescue/negotiation. You are
a real genius.
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Location:
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11-11-2005 07:16 PM
GC Marciano quote:
Yeah, ok A. Shemonia, I'm guessing 911 on
everyone's phone rings to your house, and
you're trained in hostage rescue/negotiation.
You are a real genius.
Nope, it rings to the police dispatch center. They are trained in

hostage rescue/negotiation.
Posts: 9967
They proved that at Columbine. The way they rescued
everybody... Oh wait, no they didn't. They hid behind their cars
while victims bled to death and the perps completed their mission
and then ended it on their own terms.
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11-11-2005 10:02 PM

A. Phnemonia or whatever
Guest
There just isn't winning with you, just stupid propaganda. Let's see,
Registered: Not Yet Columbine. Had the cops of shot the perps, the two nutty kids, then
Location: the cops would take heat from here. Since they didn't, they still take
Posts: N/A heat.
Those cops did everything perfectly. You can't run into a building
without knowing wahts behind door #1. For all they knew, it could've
been 10 armed gunmen. In which case, the ensuing gun battle would
cost many casaualities. But you'd have us believe they were sitting
around, twiddling their thumbs. Read a report sometime on
Columbine, and give credit where it's due.
11-11-2005 11:31 PM
GC Marciano More piggy lies...

Nobody believes your bullshit here. You'd be better off on a cop
forum where you can join their little circle jerk, pat each other on
the ass and call each other heros.
We know the real truth. You are not the first retarded dumbass
who has tried to bring your brainwashing crap here. Move along,
your stupidity bores me.
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11-11-2005 11:44 PM

Columbine
Guest
Al,
Registered: Not Yet
Location:
Posts: N/A
I would love to see your ass saving people at columbine
11-12-2005 04:03 AM
xtratabasco Re: Columbine

Senior Member
quote:
Location:
Posts: 2869
Al,
I would love to see your ass saving people at

columbine
He couldnt do worse than the piqs that were paid to do it, all on our
dime.
but the swat team and other piqs get the medals for the innocent lives
lost for their cowardness.
11-12-2005 04:34 AM
BrickWall Re: Re: Columbine

Junior Member
quote:
Location:
Posts: 13
He couldnt do worse than the piqs that were paid to
do it, all on our dime.
but the swat team and other piqs get the medals for
the innocent lives lost for their cowardness.
PiQ's? atleast spell your "put-downs" correctly

11-12-2005 04:46 AM
xtratabasco Re: Re: Re: Columbine

Senior Member
quote:
Location:
Originally posted by BrickWall
Posts: 2869
PiQ's? atleast spell your "put-downs" correctly
cant say ***s here you fuqing dumb MF.
and why do you nit pick when you shiq on the Constituion.
Take your spelling degree back to Harvard.
11-12-2005 04:55 AM
GC Marciano Re: Columbine

quote:

Al, I would love to see your ass saving people at
columbine
Registered: Jul 2003 Of course you would. You're the typical lazy pig... always wanting
Location: Chicago, Illinois somone else to do their job.
Posts: 9967
I would have loved to see anybody saving people at Columbine.
The coward swine obviously couldn't do it.
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11-12-2005 11:10 AM
Oh, it gets better. You all here love your guns and ammo. Did you
Guest know the Columbine shooting caused an uproar in that little clique?
Registered: Not Yet See, with harsher gun control laws, two 15 year old kids wouldn't
Location: have been able to arm themselves with 2 sawed off shotguns, an
Posts: N/A assault rifle, a semi-auto pistol, and improvised grenades.
Of course, since this is all true, it can only be one thing,

"propaganda", right?
In actuality, with stricter laws and more enforcement, the guns

would've never found their way into the hands of kids, kids that in all
honesty would not stop until they were dead, seeing as they did it
themselves.
And none of you here even read anything but the stuff on this
website. In actuality, after 4 kids were shot, the deputy sheriff at the
school returned fire. In the ensuing battle, the gunman's gun jammed.
No doubt saving more lives as he was left with just a 9mm pistol.
In all, they tried to kill 500 students, but only managed to pull off 15,
and themselves (the easiest targets by far). This incident created zero-
tolerance policies for weapons in schools, and made an officer liason
officer in a school common grounds. So if it does happen again, the
initial response won't be a mere 5 minutes, but a minute or less.
From now on, before you argue, do some homework on the subject so
you don't come off as an idiot, as your normal self.
11-12-2005 11:40 AM
GC Marciano More anti-Constitutional gun-grabber propoganda by another

Copwatcher Extraordinaire retarded, freedom hating pig fucker.
These pig morons crack me up!
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11-12-2005 01:21 PM
Another educated response. Wow

Guest
Registered: Not Yet
Location:
Posts: N/A
11-12-2005 01:30 PM
GC Marciano More anti-Constitutional gun-grabber propoganda by another

Copwatcher Extraordinaire retarded, freedom hating pig fucker.
These pig morons crack me up!
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11-12-2005 01:32 PM
yet you do nothing to prove me wrong, except insult my profession.

Guest Here, I'll give it a try. "yo, shut the fcuk up yo stupidz @ss burger
flippin punk!"
Registered: Not Yet
Location: I'd rather insult what little intelligence you have left. The acid and gun
Posts: N/A smoke is clogging your brain.
11-12-2005 01:43 PM

xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2004 yet you do nothing to prove me wrong, except insult
Location: my profession. Here, I'll give it a try. "yo, shut the
Posts: 2869 fcuk up yo stupidz @ss burger flippin punk!"
I'd rather insult what little intelligence you have

left. The acid and gun smoke is clogging your brain.
your fellow public servant brother;
Austin-area officer sentenced for child porn

Austin-area officer sentenced for child porn
http://www.khou.com/news/state/stor....11ed45a81.html
11:11 PM CDT on Saturday, October 22, 2005
KVUE.com
A Bartlett police officer has been sentenced to 5 years in prison for

possessing child pornography, according to a press release from the
William County District Attorney's office.
Robert Dale Parker pleaded guilty to the charge, after investigators

found the pornographic images on his computer. Investigators say
they were led to Parker, after the Austin Police Department alerted
them that Parker had used a credit card to gain access to a
pornographic Web site.
Parker had claimed he was downloading and looking at the images to

better understand the criminal mind.
"Child pornography exists because there are people willing to pay for
it," said Williamson County District Attorney John Bradley. "I hope this
prison sentence and lengthy supervision will let others know that the
price of viewing child pornography is greater than a charge to a credit
card."
After he's released from prison, Parker will not be allowed children or
the Internet for 10 years. he will also have to register as a sex
offender for at least 20 years.
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GC Marciano Cops are becoming pretty well known for their pedophilia and
Copwatcher Extraordinaire child pornography practices.
What a hero.
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Parker had claimed he was downloading and
looking at the images to better understand the
criminal mind.
Now that's funny!

Typical pig... can't accept responsibility for his criminal actions.
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xtratabasco quote:
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Registered: Jul 2004 Oh, it gets better. You all here love your guns and
Location: ammo. Did you know the Columbine shooting
Posts: 2869 caused an uproar in that little clique?
See, with harsher gun control laws, two 15 year

old kids wouldn't have been able to arm
themselves with 2 sawed off shotguns, an assault
rifle, a semi-auto pistol, and improvised grenades.
Of course, since this is all true, it can only be one

thing, "propaganda", right?
In actuality, with stricter laws and more

enforcement, the guns would've never found their
way into the hands of kids, kids that in all
honesty would not stop until they were dead,
seeing as they did it themselves.
And none of you here even read anything but the

stuff on this website. In actuality, after 4 kids
were shot, the deputy sheriff at the school
returned fire. In the ensuing battle, the gunman's
gun jammed. No doubt saving more lives as he
was left with just a 9mm pistol.
In all, they tried to kill 500 students, but only

managed to pull off 15, and themselves (the
easiest targets by far). This incident created zero-
tolerance policies for weapons in schools, and
made an officer liason officer in a school common
grounds. So if it does happen again, the initial
response won't be a mere 5 minutes, but a
minute or less.
From now on, before you argue, do some

homework on the subject so you don't come off
as an idiot, as your normal self.
Liar
Subject: High school student tells "swat" member to go in there

(Columbine.)
High school student tells "swat" member to go in

there (Columbine)

from: http://judicial-inc.biz/1_master_supreme.htm
Nick Foss, an 18-year-old senior who at one point fell

through a ceiling as he tried to flee, said he told
officers to move faster.
"They're dying left and right in there," he said he

told one officer. "Every time you wait another five
minutes, another kid is dead. Go in there, man."
-------------------------------------------------
Some students said they couldn't figure out why SWAT

officers weren't able to get a teacher, Dave Sanders,
to safety. He'd survived gunshot wounds to the chest
for several hours and was still alive when officers
got to him, some students said, but apparently died
moments later.
"They were trying to do the best they could as quickly

as they could under the circumstances," sheriff's Sgt.
Jim Parr said. "Do we wish we could have got him out
of there sooner? Of course we do."
11-12-2005 07:13 PM
GC Marciano The "unregistered" parasite is just a pig-loving liar and a coward.

quote:

you do nothing to prove me wrong, except
insult my profession.
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Location: Chicago, Illinois but another form of welfare. It's where uneducated lazyasses
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11-12-2005 09:35 PM
Go figure the idiots link is wrong. The site isn't even a real site! It's
Guest all conspiracy theory BS, like "Where is the Pentagon Jet?". again
someone has to tell you ******s to do your homework.
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http://www.ravenimages.com/ep-ts-tt...ou%20****in.jpg
the only one I'll have to give you
11-13-2005 07:09 AM
GC Marciano quote:
Go figure the idiots link is wrong.
And then the retarded moron posts a link that doesn't work...
Typical dumbshit pig, dumber than fuck.
That's a helluva site you posted, stupid.

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quote:

http://www.ravenimages.com/ep-ts-tt...ou%
20****in.jpg
Absolutely brilliant site. It's the smartest thing you've said here
yet!
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Oops, can't help it if the language filter changes my link. Your link
Guest was just wrong, if you replace the stars in the back portion of the
link with f-uck, it works. Yours just won't work. My link was better
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http://static.zoovy.com/img/rockmus...y/-/dke105f.jpg
We're not Naz-i's, you are! Little punks.
11-13-2005 06:24 PM
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Followed by...
quote:

Location: Chicago, Illinois Originally posted by Unregistered
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Dumbass.
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Yeah, little did I know the language barrier prevents links from
Guest going where they should.
Registered: Not Yet You, like the language filter on here, are retar-ded
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11-13-2005 11:06 PM
GC Marciano Blame your stupidity on the language filter.

Typical fucking moron.
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11-13-2005 11:42 PM

No sources are credited so I would conclude that this is the

Guest deranged fantasy of somebody who was sexually molested by a
Catholic priest and/or genetically abnormal cop.
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Texastwister1 Re: Columbine

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Al,
I would love to see your ass saving people at

columbine
As a tax paying citizen, I would have loved to see you and or you're
fellow swine just doing you're f8cking job. People are hip to you and
you're fellow coward goons, p8g.
11-14-2005 04:01 AM
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Originally posted by Anti-American
Registered: Not Yet No sources are credited so I would conclude that
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was sexually molested by a Catholic priest and/or
genetically abnormal cop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columb...School_massacre
There's your source. If you can read more than a few sentences,
you'll see what a non-biased source, like an encyclopedia, says
about the incident at Columbine.

11-14-2005 10:55 AM
GC Marciano I know what happened there, and I know the swine did nothing
Copwatcher Extraordinaire to serve or protect because they were too scared.
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duncan The truth?

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Yer a human parasite who needs us to exist
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The Chief You should read it too Dumbcan, your whole world would turn
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And i'm not the LE Hero guy you must think I am. I do agree with
his comments, but have my own opinions thank you.
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11-16-2005 06:59 AM
GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by The Chief
I do agree with his comments, but have my
own opinions thank you.
Bullshit. You are a mindless government pawn. You only think

what the state tells you to think.
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duncan you came to me little man I must be your god.

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Texastwister1 Agents seize 1,000 fake law enforcement badges from NYC man
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By The Associated Press

(5/10/05 - NEW YORK) — A man has been charged with possessing
an illegal cache of about 1,000 counterfeit law enforcement badges,
authorities said Tuesday.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents arrested Sergio

Khorosh on Monday at his Bronx home after he accepted delivery of

about 100 fake U.S. Marshals Service shields. The delivery was
being monitored by the agents, who had first intercepted the
badges last month in a shipment from Taiwan to San Francisco.
During a search of Khorosh's home, agents discovered about 1,000
more badges, some resembling those of the FBI, Drug Enforcement
Administration and New York Police Department, court papers said.
Also found were six firearms, including semiautomatic pistols.
Authorities were investigating whether Khorosh was supplying

police impersonators.
"We think this goes way beyond collectors," said Martin D. Ficke,
special agent in charge for ICE's New York office.
Khorosh faces charges of illegal transport of counterfeit badges and

weapons possession. He was ordered held on $50,000 bail.
A call to Khorosh's attorney was not immediately returned.
(Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
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I Don't care much about the agents getting the guns. I will always
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In all fairness to the otherside. I have to say that the agents here
did an outstanding job In their efforts to keeping all those fake
badges off the streets.
05-10-2005 07:01 PM

k9deputy106 There have been quite a few cases lately of women being raped and
Junior Member people robbed by fake cops on traffic stops. That is one reason I
think all dept's should get away from these unmarked and "slick
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doesnt have a lightbar on it dont stop and drive somewhere with
people around. We can deal with the fleeing charge later if it was
really a cop.
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duncan To bad the agents didn't seize the fake copsters. The fakers like you
Moderator who lie and pretend to protect my country.
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If I do get stopped then I should demand an ID from the person
who stops me and even the ID could be a fraud so I should just
keep on moving down the road and not give the possible imposter
any information at all.
Even an imposter can place the words "SHERIFF" or "POLICE" on

their car. They can also place the rigth kind of lights etc on their car
and so according to you we should stop for no one.
Thanks p8g I won't stop at all and if you p*gs try to shoot me for
not knowing if the p*g car following me is real or fake then I will
shoot back.
Have a nice day p8g and don't try to stop me because I won't know
if you are a real copster or a fake copster.
Dumb*ss stepped on his own dick with this post.
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k9deputy106 LOL Duncan I love reading your posts, they give me a good laugh.
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duncan The jokes on you stupid and it went right over your head.
Moderator
We don't have to stop becuase for all we know the guy trying to
Registered: Jul 2003 stop could be a fake copster.
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There have been quite a few cases lately of
women being raped and people robbed by fake
cops on traffic stops.
Interesting, because there have been quite a few cases of

women being raped and people robbed by real cops on traffic
stops also.
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This is classic cop/criminal vs. Freedom lover thread.
Location:
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01-21-2006 10:13 PM
GC Marciano Yep, either way you are probably fucked.

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GC Marciano Damn dude... very first post and already violating the rules.
People will think you're a cop... they are incapable of following
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xtratabasco case study in government corruption and coverup

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HONORABLE CONGRESSMAN JAMES TRAFICANT IMPRISONED

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Police Academies!)
The government’s case against Ohio Congressman James Traficant

stands as a premier example of massive judicial corruption, for it
exhibits not just one or two, but nearly all of the fine-tuned,
criminal methods and tactics today’s despotic rulers employ in the
process of railroading a selected target-person into prison. These
include fraud, perjury, stacked juries, withholding of evidence, the

barring of legitimate testimony and the manufacture of false

evidence and testimony. Yes, the Traficant case should be studied
in police academies and law schools in order to show exactly how
an autocratic, totalitarian system works to silence “the empire’s”
enemies, and destroy all opposition to the tyrannies of its criminal
government. As a similar case in point, our police and military
association watched the U.S. Government and the courts use very
similar, criminal tactics back in the early 1980's to ramrod their
case against Idaho Congressman George Hansen, soon after the
latter had published his popular book, To Harass Our People. This
book outlined the vile, criminal practices of the Internal Revenue
Service. [Congressman Hansen’s book is still available through Aid
& Abet. - Editor]
Now in his turn, what had Congressman Traficant done to warrant

such all-out force of annihilation? Surely he, too, must have
seriously angered (or frightened!?) the international power elite, for
him to be selected for such unusually broad and all-encompassing,
criminal treatment. The fine re-cap that follows answers that
question.
Traficant Case Gives Glimpse of Corrupt Legal Process

(This report courtesy of Legal Ethics and Reform, July 2002)
Rep. James Traficant (D - Ohio) is a colorful, maverick

Congressman from the Youngstown area. He formerly served as a
Sheriff and had extensive law enforcement dealings with both the
mob and the FBI. He is known for his earthy humor (some say
bathroom humor) and his memorable one-minute speeches on the
House floor. Traficant’s specialty was speaking truth to the
powerful. He criticized the IRS for its high-handed way of taking
people’s assets before they were found guilty of anything; he also
pointed out the undue influence that Israel and its friends enjoy in
the U.S. Congress. [This has certainly been “the death” for active U.
S. politicos in the past. This is probably why the wise American
politicians wait until they are retiring before they finally stand and
tell the truth about the heavy controls the Israeli lobby holds over
our government - Editor]
NO EVIDENCE OF WRONG DOING.....BUT, SO WHAT?! Back in Ohio,

things were even more interesting. In the spring of 2002, James
Traficant was convicted in Federal Court on ten criminal counts.
These included such things as taking bribes from constituents,
using his office to solicit favors, and forcing a couple of his office
employees to kick-back part of their salaries to him. Traficant
handled his own defense and this, combined with his maverick

personality, put him at odds with the trial court judge on several
occasions. The jury found him guilty, and he will be sentenced in
late July, 2002.
Traficant’s guilt is impossible to determine from the “reliable” facts

on the record. Traficant vehemently denies doing anything wrong,
and there is a complete lack of hard evidence (as in NONE! - Ed.)
against him.
Congressman Traficant
Traficant was convicted exclusively on the testimony of others. All

the key witnesses had their own problems with the government. In
each case they (or a close relative) were in trouble with the
government on other charges. There were no video or audio tapes
catching the Representative in any illegal act. There were no
documents pointing to his guilt, and there were no Traficant
fingerprints on anything. In recent Congressional bribery cases the
FBI has relied on video and audio tapes which have documented the
crime(s), but in this case there are no such tapes even though the
FBI built their case over a long, six-year period.
Prior to the trial, Traficant asked to have the case tried in his
district at the Federal Courthouse in Youngstown, Ohio. [which is
the Law under the Constitution! - Editor] This courthouse serves the
area where the crimes were supposed to have been committed. The
judge denied this request and moved the trial to Cleveland. Further
the judge refused to allow any prospective jurors from the
Youngstown district to be considered for inclusion in the jury pool.
Later, after the trial ended, it came out that the judge’s husband’s
law firm was representing one of the chief witnesses against
Traficant, a fellow named J.J. Cafaro. The judge should have
recused himself from the case, but failed to do so.
In opposition to this, Traficant produced nine telephone tape

recordings which he had made while speaking with various
witnesses against him (or people close to these witnesses).
Traficant also obtained affidavits from various parties saying they
had first-hand knowledge that the prosecutor, a lawyer named
Morford, had pressured witnesses to lie. These tapes and affidavits
revealed that the U.S. prosecutor had threatened the witnesses
with personal prosecution for various federal crimes unless they
told a tale created for them by the prosecutor. The Congressman

attempted to play these audio tapes and present these affidavits at

his trial, but the judge denied his request. Additionally, he wanted
to call witnesses that would counter the testimony of the
prosecutor’s witnesses; the judge generally denied these requests
as well. The judge allowed Traficant to cross examine the witnesses
against him, but without the tapes, affidavits, and/or countering
witnesses, Traficant was unable to break the witnesses away from
their stories. Traficant asked to question the FBI agents who had
done the leg work building the case from 1996 to 2001. The judge
refused to allow him to question these law officers. Not surprisingly
the jury convicted Traficant.
Once the conviction was in place, the House of Representatives’

Ethics Committee took up the question of whether or not to expel
Rep. Traficant from the House of Representatives. Even though the
House of Representatives is less than 50% lawyers, this
investigating committee was nearly 80% lawyers. This Committee
did allow Traficant to present witnesses, and they allowed him to
enter his nine audio tapes into the record. However, there was no
attempt to play these tapes and/or question Traficant about them.
One of the witnesses that had not testified in Cleveland did testify
in Washington. This witness, named Richard DeTore, said he had
for years worked for and reported directly to J.J. Cafaro, one of the
people who had testified against Traficant in Cleveland. DeTore said
that Traficant had behaved properly during his many encounters
with Traficant. DeTore further said Prosecutor Morford had detained
DeTore for nine hours a year ago and put pressure on him to give
false testimony against Traficant. DeTore’s attorneys had also been
threatened. Mr. DeTore also testified that Cafaro had given false
testimony against Traficant because Cafaro had been caught giving
false testimony in an earlier federal trial on a different matter, and
wanted to avoid prosecution on that charge. Traficant produced
letters from DeTore’s attorneys saying they were outraged by the
prosecutor’s behavior. Mr. DeTore noted that Prosecutor Morford
was so mad at him that he had brought a frivolous federal
prosecution against him. The case so far has cost DeTore several
thousand dollars in legal fees. The lawyers letters also supported
DeTore’s statement about the federal case being frivolous. At this
point, it was clear that the U.S. prosecutor had played “hard ball” to
get the testimony he wanted against Traficant.
This week of July 22, 2002 was the time when the Ethics
Committee should have stepped in, put a hold on the Traficant
expulsion, and taken a hard look at the legal processes being
employed back in Ohio. But the Committee decided on a different
course. They chose to recommend expulsion and scheduled no
additional investigations. Evidently, the lawyers on this committee
did not believe the evidence before their eyes, or more probably
they felt it was not the job of the legislature to bring the judiciary
and Justice Department to heel. In America, lawyers are taught that

it is the judiciary and the Justice Department that brings the

legislature to heel, not vice versa. These lawyers on the Ethics
Committee had been thoroughly socialized into the law by their law
school professors. Late in the evening on Wednesday, July 24th, the
whole House of Representatives voted to expel Traficant. Over four
hundred Representatives voted to expel, eight voted “present”, and
there was only one vote against the motion.
Be clear about this current situation. Traficant’s guilt or innocense is

yet to be properly determined. The corrupt practices of at least one
U.S. prosecutor have been exposed, and the Federal District Court
in Cleveland has at least one judge that needs to be removed.
[Editor’s note: You lawmen out there: Have you ever seen a better
case of systemic government corruption? Total set-up and
railroading of a man who obviously had become a serious enemy/
threat to some very powerful people! Result?.....another “straight
shootin”, patriotic American, a Congressman at that, sits in prison
today for alleged but unproven “crimes”. A very bright and brave
American, for sure.....but he has a “big mouth” (God bless him!).
James Traficant sure knew how to make friends among our
oligarchic rulers!...NOT!
But we believe that there were other, significant reasons why

Congressman Traficant had to be removed. Consider:
* His having come to the defense of a retired Ukrainian-American

auto worker, John Demjanjuk, in the 80's, when the latter was
fighting for his very life, having been falsely accused and
prosecuted by pro-Israeli forces for being, supposedly, “Ivan the
Terrible”, a notorious guard at the WWII Nazi war camp at
Treblinka.
* A speech he delivered on March 17, 1993 and made a part of the

Congressional Record, in which he stated that the U.S. is in
Chapter11 Bankruptcy. He said, "Members of Congress are official
trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any bankrupt
entity in world history, the U.S. government...It is an established
fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved
by the Emergency Banking Act of March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public
Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and
insolvent H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress session of June 5, 1933....The
United States Federal Government exists today in name only."

* His further declaring that, "The receivers of the United States

bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations,
the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United
States offices, officials and departments are now operating within a
de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With
the constitutional Republican form of government now dissolved,
the receivers of the bankruptcy have adopted a new form of
government for the United States. This new government is known
as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/ Communist
order...."
[That would more than do it, dear friends, wouldn’t you say?!]
Write:
James G. Traficant #31213-060
Federal Medical Center
PMB 4000
Rochester, Minnesota 55913
11-16-2005 11:22 AM
The Chief I wonder then...

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Did he break the law before or after he retired as a sheriff?
After?
Ok, then I could care less about an ex-cop. He's nothing more but
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The Chief And this forum is for recognition of good cops...

Senior Member Not ex-cops that worked as crooked politicians
Now get out of here, scram you dirty varmin!
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Now get out of here, scram you dirty varmin!
well it came from Jack mcLamb Americas most decortated cop's

website.
http://www.patriotamerica.com/JackMcLamb/JackMcLamb.htm
Most Highly Decorated Lawman
Military Veteran
Nationally Respected Constitutional Lecturer
Arizona Regional Police Academy Instructor
Hostage Negotiator for FBI
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The American Citizens & Lawmen Association
Author, Publisher
of Aid & Abet Police and Military Newsletter
But your right. I forgot that all cops are Nazis and all cops who say
they are Christians are maggots in Gods eyes.

Because we all know that cops are criminals and liars.
11-16-2005 08:41 PM
The Chief I already posted on my views of Jack Mcclamb. I could find an Ex-
Senior Member convict that agrees with police on everything, but I'd rather not
waste my time. So to post in hopes I'd agree with Jack Mclamb, is
like thinking you'd agree to liking cops...
Wishful thinking
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You waste everyones time because your a hypocrit.
just want to give everyone a chance to see how you are a worthless
hypocrit with your own kind of special "christian values."
Re: Blessed
quote:Originally posted by The Chief

"Blessed are the peacekeepers: for they shall be called the children
of God." Matthew 5:9
http://www.christianlawenforcement.com/
A great site for all those cops out there that want a greater
understanding in their profound benefits to the world.


Unless for some reason the cop is havign sex with her on duty, he's
not breakign any laws.
Your wife came to her senses, she left a cop-hater and, sleeps with
a cop.
Good girl
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Key word here "former". He isn't a cop anymore for a reason, so,
he's an average @sshole joe like yourself.
http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...54091#post54091
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And I bet that chick is a great lay, too bad we got her now
The Chief
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But every call the PD gets has to be taken seriously.
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I'm guessign you're talking about Terri Schiavo. I agree she

should've died. What more of a waste of money is that.

It's not without evidence totally, it's reasonable suspicion. What is
reasonable? That up to the arresting officer to determine. I make
arrests without evidence all the time.
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Cops don't work... they just drive around all day cause they want
too, they pull people over at will for speeding, and collect the city
money for no reason whatsoever.
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I can't wait for the day you just have an accident, sticking up for
your so called rights dumbcan. "I'll carry an uzi to the PD, you
gonna stop me piq???"
One shot inbetween your eyes. That'll fix your views right up.
The Chief
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What do you know, the gun ban passed. Great news.
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Yeah duncan, glad to see your bltch ass posting in it.

I am christian, not Catholic. In the days Jesus was on earth to
preach god's laws, there weren't feeding tubes and ventaliators.
I see it as letting nature run it's course. I'm in training right now to
become a Police Chaplain, a very rewarding job.

You are a phoney christian, a hypocrit. You aid and abet child
molesters and murders, you are the worst of the sinners. You steal
from hard working people and take freedom from innocent people.
You lie and take innocent people to prison and jail. You hurt old
people and kill others. You are a traitor to this country.
go fuqk yourself you anti-freedom Nazi.
11-17-2005 09:51 AM
The Chief Canned response counter: 17.

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Still waiting, your old stuff is getting moldy Xtra
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Oh oh!!!
#4
And you still miss the entire idea of the forums. If you want to copy
and paste stuff, just go into MS Word and do it there. That way you
don't just spam the forums and make yourself look more stupid
than you already are, which would be a feat since you are really
dumb.
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Navigatr1 3 Miami Officers Honored for Saving Baby From Fire

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3 Miami Officers Honored for Saving Baby From Fire

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The home was almost engulfed in flames when three officers from
the Miami Gardens district station arrived on the scene and learned
that an infant was still in the building.
What the officers did next saved the child's life and earned them
awards and top honors from the Miami-Dade Police Department.
Officers Shuntel Archer, Corey Jones and Terence White were

working the Enhancement Enforcement Initiative detail last Dec. 21

when they responded to a residential fire at 1968 NW 186th St.
As a Miami-Dade Police statement tells it, when the officers arrived,

family members and neighbors were screaming that a baby was in
the burning building.
The officers went to the front door but realized the living room
ceiling had caved in. They tried entering through a rear window but
black smoke blocked their view. Jones used his ASP baton to break
the window and he cleared the glass, causing clouds of black smoke
to billow out.
Jones then stuck his arm through the window, feeling his way, but
there was nothing within reach. A flashlight showed what could be a
baby's crib.
''Holding his breath and closing his eyes, Officer Jones pushed his
upper body into the window opening and was led into the bedroom
by the sounds of whimpering,'' the police statement said.
Jones pulled back to catch his breath before again easing his upper
body through the window -- as White and Archer each held one of
his legs to allow him to extend his reach.
''Officer Jones feverishly grasped and groped until he felt a tiny foot.
Jones grabbed hold of the crib sheets and pulled the child toward
him and then passed the infant to Archer while White helped him
get out through the window.
The statement continued: ''Hearing the arrival of Miami-Dade Fire

Rescue units, Officer Jones swept up the child and ran, coughing
and gasping for air, for their medical assistance.''
Jones, the infant he saved and another child who had been rescued
earlier were taken to hospital and treated for smoke inhalation. The
baby was in critical condition but that was later upgraded to stable.
Archer, Jones and White were awarded the Miami-Dade Police

Department's Medal of Valor and Lifesaving Awards and were
named Distinguished Officers of the Month for April.
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GC Marciano They did not only what any decent human would do, but what
Copwatcher Extraordinaire they are paid to do.
Woo hoo!
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L.E. Hero Not according to some of the B.S. that you have posted prior to this
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Registered: Jul 2005 You can't have it both ways Albert.

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Copwatcher Extraordinaire that they don't protect or save lives. Like you, most are far too
stupid and lazy. They just steal the taxpayers money and don't
provide any service.
Once again you have made an ass out of yourself with your
desperate lies.
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xtratabasco Another Patriot

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This ex-cop has put his life on the line by exposing the lies of 9-11, our
Registered: Jul 2004 criminal govrenment, and documenting the progress of the New World
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MIKE RUPPERT AT KANE HALL IN SEATTLE!

SATURDAY, JAN. 15, 7:00-10:00 p.m. at UW Kane Hall, Roethke
Auditorium.
MICHAEL C. RUPPERT, Ex-Cop, Investigative Journalist, Whistleblower

and
UCLA Honors Graduate in Political Science will discuss his explosive
new
book, CROSSING THE RUBICON: The Decline Of The American Empire
At The
End

Of The Age Of Oil.
A riveting speaker and impeccable researcher, Ruppert will guide you

into
the innermost workings of politics and power--
* The Secret Energy Task Force
* Deutsche Bank and Terrorism
* Peak Oil and Dwindling Gas Reserves
* 9/11 Insider Trading
* FEMA, NORAD and the war games on 9/11
01-09-2005 04:16 PM
birdie hmmm, funny, this post appears when duncan and tex appear. Could it
be there is only one fool on this site acting as a cop hater???? Silly Al.
Posts: 331
01-09-2005 04:29 PM
birdie You know, I think I am going to drive you crazy. Keep it up fool, I have
your number.
Posts: 331
01-09-2005 04:41 PM
xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by birdie
Registered: Jul 2004 You know, I think I am going to drive you crazy. Keep
Location: it up fool, I have your number.
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xtratabasco
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Location: colorado
Posts: 469
quote:
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Hey Kam, looks like you finally got under their skin here. When they
start re-posting old posts, responding in parrot fashion (Duncan is so
good at it) and turn your stuff around you know you are winning the

debate. It is their desperate response when they can not think of

anything else to say. Good job.
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Rosie
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quote: Matt1
What are you dying from?
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pancreatic cancer. I spell like ****, sorry. Family gave me a computer

several months ago, guess they thought it would entertain me. Looks
like it has. This time I am honestly telling the truth. Trust me, I have
nothing to lose.
Rosie
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To Mack & Mods
You have my IP address, ban me from the site. It is time for me to go. I
will not respond to any comments members make to this request. Please
complete the ban process as soon as possible. Thank you.
Ban the following names: Abagail, Mona, Pastor, Rosie
Thanks.
monaliveson
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cyberstalking-treatment & support
http://www.cyber-stalking.net
Good information on laws, treatment, victim support.
Rosie
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Any Thoughts?
To whoever may wish me dead or off this site.
To the owners and mods: I want to sign on as Mona, I have learned

more about both sides than I knew. Ban me if you want, decline my
request if you want...but we can have fun and meaningful
conversations. I think we all may have learned a few things here. And to
Navigator...I did report the post as well as others
Rosie
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Lets not get mean Al. I may be fat but I give a damn good BJ. Very
deep. I am also pretty, great lips and you may be surprised so I will
bend over...enjoy.
monaliveson
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Ok.......anyone........I got into a conversation with someone PR...........it
is serious......you won't believe this.......this is not a drama move.......if
I call local police there will be nothing they can do.........bye the way Al,
Duncan, Tex and mods/owner........yes....I was raped.........by a
cop.......there you have it.....why I am here......you wanted the truth.....
you have it........the cop still is on duty.......I am still harassed.......I
have tried to figure out if your site is for real so I have played devils
advocate.........hate me, call me names......I don't care.........just help
me NOW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Pastor
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I just love this site. And no matter what, I will be back under whatever
name necessary. The owners should be happy I am directing people
here.
Pastor
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Originally posted by A. Shemonia
I am sure they have, but cops and cop lovers would just come in and
destroy it because they can't follow even the simplest rules.
Like Mona, for instance. She admits to posting under several different
names, in blatant violation of the Copwatch Forums rules.
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Blah Blah Blah. Who on the internet posts under their real name? No site
requires that, not even this one.
birdie
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Why are you here Mona?
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You can officially call be Abby.
birdie
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My, new funny little members just popping up everywhere.
Seems the site has lost its vision. Who are these people and what
happend to this thread. And you all thought I had mulitple personalities.
jello
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Registered: Not Yet

Location:
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quote:
I am jello and obviously someone here is very desparate and threatened

by unregistered posters. Its a website.....get over yourself already. As
for the others.....sounds like you have a troll problem. Whatever.....I am
jello and mona just keeps imitating me and using my name. she is a
troll and a whacknut.....get lost mona no one wants you here
anymore.....

So did someone have a topic to discuss?
Unregistered
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You do seem to attract quite a few fruitcakes. My 10 year old can post
better than some of you can. Your website can be reported to your ISP
for certain kinds of behavior. Thank you. Jello
Jello
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I will report you all. And by the way, Im not Mona, Im a man.
I have bigger balls then all of you. Who is this Mona? You all must love
her. I would like to talk to her. I am happily married, but I would like to
meet her.
monaliveson
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I have never sent an email to all mods saying I was going to shut down
anything.
monaliveson
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Re: shessss backkkkkk
You boys just can't get enough of me can you? You won't ignore me,
you have not put me in the pen, you have not banned me and you
continue to respond to anything and everything I post. Oh.......I feel the
love.........it is so warm and special. What will you do without me when I
finally leave the site.........yes my dears.....this can only go on so
long.....sorry to break your adoring hearts.......kisses and hugs.
Unregistered
Guest
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Re: to mona, I mean jello brain
quote:
This is getting quite interesting. So several of you here think I am

someone called Mona. So where do I read about this mona person. I
happen to be male, married.
jello
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Were you there to see it? No you wernt. You werent there.....you dont
know.....a plane was hijacked by terrorists and crashed into the
pentagon killing all those poor innocent people on it. Dont you people
have a heart...dont you have a soul....dont you even have the on
decency to mourn the loss of all those poor people killed by the evil
terrorists????
I hope all of you die in a plane crash and nobody cries for any of you......
that would be true poetic justice!!
jello
Guest
Registered: Not Yet

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Duncan Mr Moderator......I dont care what you reported to who.....Mr
Moderator himself. You cant even get rid of me.
And Im not mona........Im somebody else who you dont know!
Unregistered
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I suggest you listen to your attorney...carefully. As we all know...you
never know who you may be dealing with on the internet.
Jello
Jello
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I AM NOT MONA!

YOU MUST BELIEVE ME!

I AM JELLO AND I HAVE IMPORTANT THINGS TO SAY!
I saw some of the things Mona said and you made fun of her.
I believe the things Mona says here at this site are true.
Come back Mona.
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let mona/jello/birdie/pastor/abby speak
As for the pentagon......It probably was a missle fired in mistake by us.
Now if you care to rephase your response in a manner that I can

understand your rebuttle.
yes....I was raped.........by a cop.......there you have it.....why I am

here......you wanted the truth.....you have it........the cop still is on
duty.......I am still harassed.......I have tried to figure out if your site is
for real so I have played devils advocate.........hate me, call me
names......I don't care.........just help me NOW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
don't you think there is a little difference between my telling my wife "of
course your tuna dish is good" and "I have never seen that woman in
my life, honest".
Some lies can be forgiven and even understood at times, others......

cannot.
If you want to make a difference then express yourself as adults. Good

luck
I tend to look for the best in people and hope you have something inside
you. If not....let the games begin. You have no idea what you are in
for... be careful what you wish for...........
I suspect the owners may not like what I have done but know I have
brought to the forefront the problem on this site.
Everyone in this country loves freedom. Now I am bored, lets move onto
something new. What do you want to talk about?
I just used different usernames.
I am just a silly citizen playing on the computer waiting to die.
Your not scientists.....
Were you there to see it? No you wernt.
a plane was hijacked by terrorists and crashed into the pentagon killing
all those poor innocent people on it. Dont you people have a heart...dont
you have a soul....
I hope all of you die in a plane crash and nobody cries for any of you......
that would be true poetic justice!!

Im somebody else who you dont know!
You cant even get rid of me.
The kind of behavior you display is that of a 6 year old.
PS: I prefer to be called psycho bitch....
You know, I think I am going to drive you crazy.
Keep it up fool, I have your number.
.................................................................................................
LMAO rosie/mona/birdie/pastor/abigail/jello
01-09-2005 04:48 PM
Texastwister1 Excellent reply Xt. Wait till you see what we have on our little troll
Senior Member saved in the Moderator section.

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01-09-2005 04:53 PM
birdie boys will be boys. Give it up already. I have so much crap on you guys
it is just silly. It will make for great shredding when I have to. Have
Registered: Nov 2004 you ever wondered why I stay here and print all this garbage? Just
Location: think about it for a moment.
Posts: 331
01-09-2005 05:16 PM
Senior Member
Registered: May 2004 Keep it up fool, I have your number.
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Mona just dial 1-800 eat sh8t.

01-09-2005 06:46 PM
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Senior Member
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This ex-cop has put his life on the line by exposing
the lies of 9-11, our criminal govrenment, and
documenting the progress of the New World Order.
A riveting speaker and impeccable researcher,

Ruppert will guide you
into
Good interview, with Mike Ruppert. Crossing the Rubbicon.
give it a minute to load.
http://media.globalpublicmedia.com/....2005-02-14.mp3
03-05-2005 12:01 AM
birdie You do know how insane all this conspiracy stuff sounds don't you?
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03-05-2005 12:18 AM

Mad Abe To find out dial: 1-800-eat-sh*t because thats all I'm answering you're
????? posts with for the next couple days.
Registered: Jan 2005 Unoriginal,uncreative and boring as hell.

Location: Western hemisphere
Posts: 833
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03-05-2005 12:22 AM
xtratabasco birdie You do know how insane all this conspiracy stuff sounds don't
Senior Member you?

Location: thanks for downloading the interview and listening.
Posts: 2869
03-05-2005 12:24 AM
xtratabasco quote:
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Originally posted by Mad Abe
Registered: Jul 2004 To find out dial: 1-800-eat-sh*t because thats all I'm
Location: answering you're posts with for the next couple days.
Posts: 2869
Unoriginal,uncreative and boring as hell.
np boot licking traitor
03-05-2005 12:25 AM

birdie xt. Yes, I did listen to it but it is not the first of its kind that I have
listened to or read. I actually have followed some of your links you
Registered: Nov 2004 know. I just do not understand how that many people in gov't could
Location: pull off something like 911. Frankly, they are just not smart enough
Posts: 331 and would turn on each other and start blabbing. The kind of thing you
are posting about would have to be a huge conspiracy with a lot of
players and it just does not add up.
So why is mad abe a boot licker, I thought he was on your side.
03-05-2005 12:46 AM
Mad Abe I sure hope I'm not on xt's side somehow.

?????
He's a f*cking idiot.
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Posts: 833
Thomas Jefferson
03-05-2005 12:50 AM
birdie hmmm. Mad, I thought you were a cop hater and thus part of the circle
with xt, al, tex, dumbcan etc. Have you seen the light?
Posts: 331
03-05-2005 12:54 AM
xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Location:
Posts: 2869 So why is mad abe a boot licker, I thought he was on
your side.
There is only one side mona, truth and lies, Jesus and Satan.
This is a site to tell the truth about cops, nothing else. Me and apefuqk
agree on that.

But the cops are just pawns in this game. nothing more.
Other than that we have nothing in common.
Apefucq believes the state. like u do. thats what makes a boot licker.
And no you didnt listen to the interview because its an hour long and
you posted your reply within minutes. and that makes u a liar.
if you want specifics why apefuq is a traitor just go back over mine or
his threads. And ull see.
apefucq is like u mona. u both are disinformation grovelers, you spit a

little truth here and there, you lie most of the time, you waste peoples
time, you cry fowl at the most trivial things, and you both attack truth.
03-05-2005 01:04 AM
xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2004 You do know how insane all this conspiracy stuff
Location: sounds don't you?
Posts: 2869
Look---I didnt write this, it came from a top cop that finally relized the
he was working for evil. But you never read the posts and threads, just
like our old friend kamamona.
You and Apefucq can go to his website and call him a liar.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/
You and apefucq can also go to www.infowars.com find the on air link
and debate T-shirt issues with him. Alex always puts people on the
front of the line to discuss anything with him, and its a 3 hour
program, since your in bed and apefucq comes on all the time you 2
can find a time to call. I will be listening. And I will share with the
group. LMAO
But back to this guy Ruppert you call a nut case.
This ex-cop has put his life on the line by exposing the lies of 911, this
criminal govrenment, and documenting the progress of the New World
Order.
MICHAEL C. RUPPERT, Ex-Cop, Investigative Journalist, Whistleblower

and UCLA Honors Graduate in Political Science will discuss his explosive
new book, CROSSING THE RUBICON: The Decline Of The American

Empire At The End Of The Age Of Oil.
A riveting speaker and impeccable researcher, Ruppert will guide you

into
and apefucq calls me a bore...........hardly, its a life and death situation

where ape wants to talk about bb guns and flame throwers when the
war can only be won with knowledge and activism.
Last edited by xtratabasco on 03-05-2005 at 01:38 AM
03-05-2005 01:27 AM
Mad Abe quote:

?????
Registered: Jan 2005 hmmm. Mad, I thought you were a cop hater and
Location: Western hemisphere thus part of the circle with xt, al, tex, dumbcan etc.
Posts: 833 Have you seen the light?
No, I still see you for the dumb b*tch you are.
Cops are still tax parasites.
Xt is still stupid.
But as Xtard would say:
im a mongeyfuq boodtliccer ho bleves erthrythng da IMHO gubnimt

tells him,LMAOROTFL
nd i blieve da sttea and ertthrthng igt tells me. if omly id bdelieve at

alex mjomes sars and wake up and enter da mtrix.
and da bugnimt dialed err commtid 911 and tok oerber dt world.
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03-05-2005 01:52 AM
birdie Whoa Mad, did you re-read that last post of yours? You may want to
check where your fingers are on the keyboard because I think you are
Registered: Nov 2004 mis aligned, or drunk.
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xtratabasco vampirekiller2000
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Officer McLamb was one of the most highly decorated members (if
Registered: Jul 2004 not the most highly decorated) of the Phoenix Police Department.
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of the Operation Vampire Killer 2000, (Police Against the New World
Order.) He is also fighting government corruption the threatens
Freedom for all citizens.
"IF OFFICERS DON'T ENFORCE TREASON, IT WON'T GET

ENFORCED"!
More than ever before we, as Police Officers, National Guardsmen

and Soldiers, are learning the truth about America's enemies (the
government) and remembering whom it was we swore to protect
and serve, the "SYSTEM" or the PEOPLE?

VAMPIRE KILLER 2000

American Police Action Plan for Stopping
World Government Rule
Officer McLamb was disabled in the line of duty and is now retired
from the Phoenix Police Department. He currently hosts a radio
show which can be heard Monday through Friday, 7 pm cst, on
WWCR, 5.810 mHz shortwave. He is a regular on Alex Jones www.
infowars.com and can be heard on his own internet show at http://
radio.theamericanvoice.com/s...emountain.shtml
Jack also runs Aid & Abet Police & Military Newsletter to help inform
fellow officers and military of the criminal government.
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birdie Please tell me you are kidding right? A cop hunting vampires? Ok, it
is true I will give this one to you. Lordy......what a world.
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Don't go where you cannot handle. You do not know me and you do
not want to. I will die at your hand.

You can say that again, With screwed up people like you on the
loose running around and all.
01-09-2005 06:41 PM
birdie Boring, can't you come up with anything original yet? Anyone who
wants to see old posts (and those you have changed) can just
Registered: Nov 2004 search my name. Care to come into 2005 and have an adult
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More than ever before we, as Police Officers, National Guardsmen

and Soldiers, are learning the truth about America's enemies (the
government) and remembering whom it was we swore to protect
and serve, the "SYSTEM" or the PEOPLE?
Officer McLamb's vampirekiller2000 web site:
http://www.patriotamerica.com/JackMcLamb/index.htm
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birdie The fact the fool is a regular on Alex Jones pretty much sums it up.
Maybe you should get out for a walk or a nice dinner, just walk
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computer for a little bit.
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To Mack & Mods
You have my IP address, ban me from the site. It is time for me to
go. I will not respond to any comments members make to this
request. Please complete the ban process as soon as possible.
Thank you.
Ban the following names: Abagail, Mona, Pastor, Rosie
LMAO at you Mona.
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Texastwister1 An angel on a hot Texas highway

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Looking back on my life while in my youth i had a run in with an

Registered: May 2004 officer that i will never forget. (To the best of my memory this
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crazy wife in San Marcos Texas for the summer. I had a long
distance love in Livingston Texas, so we kept things going by
telephone. I was working at a dead end job at the college. His crazy
wife got her phone bill and went postal on me, i had owed her
about 75 dollars for some calls. I told her i get paid in a few days
and i will pay you in full for the calls, well to her that was not good
enough, so i left the house for a few hours. When i returned i saw
all my things were not in my room or in the house for that matter.
She went and put everything of value i had in a local pawn shop. I
went to the pawn shop and spoke with the pawnbroker and he
stated to me that he would give me all my things back at no cost to

me, but he was going to have her put in jail. (we have a golden rule
in my family about getting the police in on family business, we dont
do it) I knew i had to get out of this womans house, i also knew if i
could get to Houston to my grandmothers house i would be ok. I
was on my way to Houston, the only things i had was about 20
dollars,the clothes on my back and a small scooter.(40mph top
speed) I was just outside of San Marcos when my scooter ran out of
gas, i thought ok, no problem, i will have to walk back to a gas
station that i had passed about a mile or so back, buy a gas can
and go back to my scooter. When i got to the station i went in my
pocket only to find that i had lost all of my money. After about an
hour or so nobody would help me at the station, so i went back to
my scooter. There i was on a hot Texas highway, no money and
stuck like chuck. I was just in tears at this point. I thought oh god,
what am i gonna do now. I said a short, simple prayer asking god
to please help me here. About twenty mins. or so goes by when all
of a sudden a Hays county unit pulls up behind my scooter. I
though oh man, what does this dam cop want? Is he just gonna
give me a hard time? He asked me what was wrong. I told him all
what i had been through, and i was just trying to get to my
grandmothers house in Houston,( I guess he could tell that i had
been in tears before he got there) but was out of gas and lost all of
my money. He said to me in a very soft voice, its gonna be ok
young man, he said i will be right back. When he got back, he had a
full gas can with him. He said to me, so you dont have any money
on you? I said no, i lost it. He pulled out his wallet and gave me all
the cash he had on him. ( I saw this) It was a twenty and a few
ones. He said to me, this should be enough for you to get to
Houston, and grab a bite to eat along the way. He also said to me
that this was not where he normally patrols. We ended with a hand
shake and i told him, thank you. As i sit im my home 21 years later
and type this, it brings tears to my eyes thinking about what this
man did for me. (a 16 year old kid) Was this and angel sent to help
me? (an answer to my short prayer) Or was it just another cop
doing his job? About a two weeks later i tried to contact his deputy
with no luck. Hays county had no record of him making contact with
me, plus i did not even know his name. He only lives in my
memory. I will never forget what this man did for me as long as i
live. Whoever you were out on that hot Texas highway, all i can say
is you will always a small place in my heart. Thank you so much.
06-11-2004 09:31 AM

Texastwister1 See, i will give credit where credit is due.

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Matt1 good post.

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Texastwister1 Thanks Matt.

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GOD COP Good story. I anxiously await Duncan's opinion.

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duncan The guy doesn't need your approval.

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No one on this forum needs your approval porkey.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado We don't give a flying f*ck what you two clowns think as your
Posts: 9006 opinions don't count for squat around here as you clowns have
hateful objective and agedna.
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06-11-2004 01:22 PM
duncan When he got back, he had a full gas can with him. He said to
Moderator me, so you dont have any money on you? I said no, i lost it.
He pulled out his wallet and gave me all the cash he had on
Registered: Jul 2003 him. ( I saw this) It was a twenty and a few ones.
Posts: 9006 The cop didn't do you any favors he only gave you your tax dollars
back. If the state had never taken your money from you in the first
place by means of taxation then you would have had the money
you needed to get around. It wasn't his money that the cop gave
you it was your tax dollars that he refunded to you.
I left home when I was 17 and struck out on my own. I lived in one
part of Denver because it was cheaper to live there, but worked in
another part of town where I could find work. So I had to either
hitch hike or take the slow bus ride across town and most of time I
never had the money for a bus.
Often when hitchhiking to work I would get dropped off at the I 70

& I 25 interchange and back in 1975 this intersection was not as
busy as it is today and safer to get around. I did this for nearly a

year while sometimes using the bus, but I never once had a
problem with scumbags or traffic.
One day the Denver copsters stopped me while hithchhiking and

then threatened to arrest me if they ever caught me hitchhiking
agian. No copster ever offered to give me a lift or help me out.
They caught me agian and arrested me for trying to get to work by
the only means I had availabe to me. It cost me a lost day from
work and a fine.
Gee what an awful crime I had committed uh?
Even when I was 15 my only means to get around town was to ride
the bus, ride a bike or hitchhike. If I had to go long distances then I
had to hitchhike. I was hitchiking along Wadsworth blvd near 6th
ave. in Lakewood. Keep in mind it was 1973 and it was common for
young people to get around by this method. You don't even want to
try this sort of thing now a days as traffic is way to heavy and
travels way to fast in many parts of Denver.
Any who, I was stopped by some young jerk off cop who wanted to
frisk me and harrass me for no reason at all. It was not a crime at
the time to hitchhike along a public road. He noticed that I had a
folding knife in a sheath on my belt, which was also a common
thing to see in Colorado during that era and it still is. The copster
removed my knife and then called for back up. His Seargent
showed up and then chewed him out for being an idiot and then let
me go.
Gee thanks Sarge for not f8cking me over today.
I think is was the same guy who screwed me over the following
year.
Cops love to make mountians out of mole hills especially when they
are dealing with jueviniles as no one ever takes the word of a kid,
so the cop can lie his ass off.
I got a million of these kind of stories in which copsters create

problems where there are no problems. Copster love hypothetical
scenarios, but if you put a hypothetical scenario on their abiltiy to
screw up they will of course ignore it.
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GOD COP You had this one comin'

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To quote another user:
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BLUE IN N.Y.C.
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Great post Texas Twister! Nice to know you balance BOTH sides of
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BLUE IN N.Y.C. YooHoo!

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duncan sweetie!
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You should be.
You SING them so lovely!
And frequently!
06-11-2004 09:12 PM
duncan And then there was thre time a roomate and his drunken pal
Moderator threaten to kill me and the copsters did nothing.
Registered: Jul 2003 My roomate was renting out his mothers house and his mother
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado offered to rent me a room in the same house. After renting the
Posts: 9006 room to me she wanted me to spy on her son for her. I refused to
do this and so she got the next door nieghbor to spy on the punk,
but he thought I was the one doing it.
The punk came home one night with his pal and the both of them
were drunker than sh8t. They began yelling and talking about
murder and mayhem upon your's truely. So I grabbed my handgun
and proceeded to call the Denver Police. They didn't have 911 back
then and I wasn't a copwathcer yet. At the time I wrongly believed
that copster helped people even after the first couple of encounters
I had with them before.
The roomates friend alos picked up the phone at the same time I
did and told me to get off. I told him to get off at which point he
told me that he was coming down to kill me. So he did and I shoved
my gun in his face at the point he came into my bed room and all of
the sudden he had a whole differetn attitude about me and life in
general. Imagine that.
The drunken coward ran back upstairs to whine to his drunken pal
that I had pulled a gun on him and while they were crying in their
own drunken vomit I called the copsters.
It took the swine over an hour to finally show up to only question

the two drunks. The one copster told the tow to knock it off or else
and then went on to whine to the copster about how I pulled a gun
on one of them.
The copster went ballistic on me and demanded to know if I had a

gun. I just told the swine that I didn't have one on me, which of
course I didn't at the time. I asked the copster. "But what if my life
is threatened?" his response "You better not have a gun."

Yea right, now f8ck off and die commie p*g.
The p8gs left and I still had my hadgun, which left the two drunks
wondering if I might not use it. I should have shot the f8cking p8g.
I've got even more of these stories blue pork if you want to hear
them all?
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duncan So black woman have you always hated white people?

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GOD COP I would have thought that Duncan would argue the sexual predator
Senior Member theory as a reason for the "good" cop's actions. This is what struck
me as odd. A sixteen year old being approached and given a gift by
some older cop. I still believe that this cop wanted sex. Something
isn't right here. It is a time period where I wasn't policing. The
most i generally give is a dollar so some guy can get himself a cup
of coffee. Anything more and you become a "mark".

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duncan no gift was given. the copster simply returned the stolen wealth to
Moderator a taxpayer.
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Texastwister1 could be godcop, to the best i can remember, he wasnt acting like
Senior Member sex perv. I do know when i was 16, i looked a lot older than i was.
Maybe he was just trying to help a young man out of a bad deal,for
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Texastwister1 Dam duncan, thats some story.

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duncan I would have thought a so-called alturisitic copster like godman p8g
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Matt1 How far of a ride was this trip Texastwister?

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duncan yes if all p*gs would just return the stolen money
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From where i was stuck, i had about 180 miles to go. On a scooter.
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roads because this thing would top out at about 40 mph and thats
going down hill with the wind blowing me along
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duncan Good thing the copster gave you your money back.
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Texastwister1 Im still trying to figure out why we are paying twice for the police
Senior Member around here? I am paying 360 dollars a month on taxes in a three
bedroom house. This subdivison has a thing called a contract. The
Registered: May 2004 police are on a contract around here. I always thought police
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reason to my home, they are here in maybe 3 mins. at the most. At
360 dollars a month, i could buy myself some serious hardware to
protect my home and family. I would rather have my money.
06-12-2004 04:58 PM
duncan There is no such thing a free service as someone has to pay for it.
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The term 'free' is false a premise used by public schools who cliam
Registered: Jul 2003 that everyone in society is entitled to a free education that is
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado anything but free.
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Property taxes pay for the bulk of public schools and when you rent
you are paying the property tax of the property owner. Public
schools also recieve federal aid, which is based on a per student
attendance record of the school, meaning that each student is
worth over 5k a semester to the public school.
And where does the fed get its money from? Why taxes of course
aka your money. The poor are harder hit by taxation than the rich
so not even the poor can afford this so-called free education.
Copsters get their money mostly from local sales taxes, a portion
from property taxes, along with some federal money and in some
areas traffic tickets are used as source of revenue to support these
highwaymen. Property theft or assest seizures under the guise of
the drug war is another source of revenue for these parasites.
Poor people pay sales taxes on everything they buy, to include food
and clothes. So the copster rob from the rich and the poor and give
to themselves and their non-service is not free.
You have made my point. If we really live in a free market society

then we should be allowed to decide what services we want based
on rational reasons like

Do I need it?
Can I afford it?
Is this really a service at all when the cops show up after the fact?
If copsters are really providing a service then why are some people
and corporations forced to hire private security guards?
They have a company called Mountian View Security which works

an entire region of Colorado around I 25 area between Loveland
and Longmont, Colorado. These guys look like real copsters as they
have patrol cars and carry guns.
Why should the people who hire these guys be taxed for the non-
service of local deputies?
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Matt1 quote:
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Originally posted by Texastwister 67
Registered: Feb 2004 From where i was stuck, i had about 180 miles to
Location: go. On a scooter. (moped) It took forever for me
Posts: 1818 to get there. I had to take all back roads because
this thing would top out at about 40 mph and
thats going down hill with the wind blowing me
along
I did some pretty crazy things when I was a teenager, but never
anything like this.
06-12-2004 10:03 PM
GOD COP Texastwister, is that like a condo owners association fee?:confused:

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Exterminator You'd better check out your "mortagage." It's sounds as if you OWN
Senior Member the house but not the property. There are many developments old
and new throughout the U.S.
Location: Most of them are Co-Operative Houses where you own the home
Posts: 400 but lease the property. Depending on your location the
development may've "hired" a private security force!
I've NEVER heard of reugular City - State - Municipal Police

Departments being contracted. For sure this is NOT a Civil Service
System set up!
I'd be damned to pay that much per month! It's OUTRAGEOUS!
06-13-2004 01:54 AM
duncan Why lookie here the three stooges all posting at once and of course
Moderator we can always count on matt the thug aka Mr. 24/7 to have word of
crap to post on our forum.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Can any of expect to get our money back form you parasites much
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Texastwister1 I am going to have to check into this contract thing a little more,
Senior Member but i do know along with my subdivision, there are others in the
greater Houston area that are on these so called contracts. 360
Registered: May 2004 dollars a month is kinda high for taxes, but there are subdivisions in
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homes are not as nice as mine or others around me.:confused: :
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06-14-2004 06:30 AM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. I think Exterminator was right in stating you might be in a

Senior Member development that's really a Condo/Co-Op.
Registered: Apr 2004 I can't see any other way for the contract. It's sounds like a "Private
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06-14-2004 07:00 AM
duncan They do the same thing around here.

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There are two towns east of Ft. Collins both which contract the local
Registered: Jul 2003 copster in Ault, Colorado to make patrols in Pierce and Nunn,
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Colorado. The Weld county sheriff will deputize these small town
Posts: 9006 copsters in case of an emergency. Weld county has more roads
than any county in the nation and there are a few towns which are
over 60 miles away for the Greeley which is the county seat and
where the Sheriff resides.
A town about 65 miles north of Greeley has a yearly rodeo event on

one year a group of cowboys beat the sh8t out of a deputy and his
fellow swine conferged on this small town of100 people. It took the
swine well over an hour to get to the town and by then the deputy
was choking on his own blood.
I have seen Denver p*gs in uniform working as security guards for

the gun grabbers aka the Million Mom Marchers. Copsters do
support gun control.
If termite inspector knows where i live then why can't he post an

address?
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Darryl I have had some very decent cops be above and beyond fair with
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I have sensed a change though.
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Now this is a sensible response coming from an wise individual.

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Too many people are quick to judge the unprofessional behavior of
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AMVET I second that motion!

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duncan No doubt these swien where in the minority and you two swine
Moderator have no crediblity on our forum considering your hidden agenda.
Registered: Jul 2003 AMVET is for bushniks who support the draft dodger baby Bush.
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AMVET Man who the fuuck are you and what fuucking sewer did you crawl
Member out of? You are a loud mouthed mentally challenged fuucker aren't
you?
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Texastwister1 His name is Duncan and if you fu-k with him, you will find out who
Senior Member he is really fast.

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Exterminator AMVET duncan is a focking LOSER with a capital "L!"

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You have nothing to FEAR from this freak!
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P.S. TEX - Don't mean to take the wind out of your sails BUT
duncan isn't what YOU THINK he is!
He nothing short of a VULGAR LOUD MOUTH who when CAUGHT

resorts to NASTY RANTS RAVES AND THREATS!
I KNOW THIS FAT NUTLESS WONDER PERSONALLY! WE THREW

HIS ASS OUT OF THE VFW for the same reasons!
We've got guys who've served in every war abroad! In comes this
asshole with his LUNATIC SHIIT! You DON'T BERATE THOSE
WHO'VE FOUGHT WHILE YOUR ASS STOWED AWAY ON A COAST
GUARD CUTTER TO ESCAPE THE ACTION AND THE REAL WORLD!
He is SLIME!
06-16-2004 12:56 AM
GOD COP quote:

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I KNOW THIS FAT NUTLESS WONDER PERSONALLY!
WE THREW HIS ASS OUT OF THE VFW
Duncan, is this true?

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duncan I KNOW THIS FAT NUTLESS WONDER PERSONALLY! WE THREW

Moderator HIS ASS OUT OF THE VFW for the same reasons!
Registered: Jul 2003 I've never been in the VFW because these swine shut the door on
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The VFW spits on other vets and they work to destroy freedom of
speech and property rights and they will even threaten to kill other
veterans that oppose the draft dodger Bush's BS police action in
Iraqi.
The VFW spits on the Bill of Rights and the men who died to
preserve it.
Oh yea p7g your hatred and agenda are showing thus bursting any
crediblity you may have had on this forum.
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Oh yea p7g your hatred and agenda are showing thus
bursting any crediblity you may have had on this
forum.
Was that directed at me?:confused:

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duncan why do you ask? are you feeling guilty?

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You did lied about the racist thing, thus losing what little crediblity
Registered: Jul 2003 you may have had on this forum.
Posts: 9006 So if someone whom you disagree with uses the word 'nigger', in a
non-derogatory manner, then they are a racist, but if you use the
word 'nigger' then you aren't a racist?
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06-17-2004 07:32 PM
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why do you ask? are you feeling guilty?
Nope. I would like to remind you, however, that you have made
several references in the past to me having no credibilty at all. So
now,all of the sudden, that has changed? Let's just say that you
have never been able to prove that I am not credible!
And your use of the word niggerwas derogatory and that is why I
challenged you on it. I really don't care if you like blacks or not!
Location: The Dozer King also had a Barret 50. Do you doubt this still?.
Posts: 1309 That's right, the same gun you say you own!
06-17-2004 08:42 PM

duncan You have none at all swine and the reason you have none is
Moderator becuase you lied when you called me a racist.
Registered: Jul 2003 The other reason you have no crediblity is because you have no
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado name and as such we cannot verify any posts that you make.
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So when you sue the word 'nigger' then it is ok, but when another
uses this word according you they are a racist?
This is why you have no crediblity porkey.
Show us verfication that bulldozer man had a .50 cal. The copster
had the .50 cal and bulldozer man proved that you can whip the
***s.
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SEATTLE -- The Seattle Police Department has taken its
share of criticism, but it has received what Police Chief Gil
Kerlikowskie calls a Good Housekeeping seal of approval.
The

Virginia-based Commission of Accreditation for Law Enforcement
Agencies yesterday named the Seattle department as one of only

four
in large U-S cities to be accredited.
Commission members came to
Seattle in August, holding public hearings and talking to residents
and officers. Kerlikowske says the commission found the
department's limited use of force was especially commendable.
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SEATTLE - Seattle police received a major honor this weekend. The
department announcing it is now nationally accredited.
Seattle is one of only four "big city" police departments across the
country to receive accreditation.

Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske likens the honor to "receiving the Good
Housekeeping Seal of Approval."
A national commission spent two years inspecting the policies,

programs and behavior of Seattle police, and found the department
worthy of recognition.
"It means your standards, your practices have reached the highest
level of professionalism," Chief Kerlikowske said.
Although the Seattle Police Department has received criticism in the

past for its handling of some high profile protests, the national
commission singled out SPD's ability to handle crowds as a
strength.
Other programs specifically recognized include: Use of force

statistics which we're told are well below the national average. The
department's outreach programs, allowing citizens to file complaints
against police. SPD's domestic violence support team and, again,
demonstration management.
The national accreditation could ultimately mean much more than a

pat on the back.
It could also be a big budget moneysaver as accredited

departments can be eligible for lower insurance premiums.
But then, the Chief added, that pat on the back's not bad either.
"To have a police department that's one of the few big city
departments in the nation to become nationally accredited,"
Kerlikowske said, "should say something positive to everyone here."
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The Seattle Police Department has won accreditation by a national

law-enforcement organization.
The Virginia-based Commission of Accreditation for Law
Enforcement Agencies named the Seattle department as one of only
four in large U.S. cities to be accredited.
The accreditation was based on more than 400 standards

addressing department policies and operational procedures such as
police training, emergency preparedness, use of force and
accountability.
The commission was established as an independent accrediting

authority in 1979 by four major law-enforcement associations: the
International Association of Chiefs of Police, National Organization
of Black Law Enforcement Executives, National Sheriffs' Association
and Police Executive Research Forum.
"It's the Good Housekeeping seal of approval," said Seattle Police

Chief Gil Kerlikowske.
Commission members came to Seattle in August, held public

hearings and talked to residents and officers. Then yesterday in
Colorado, the commission voted to award accreditation to Seattle.
The commission found the department's limited use of force — in

0.17 percent of all incidents — was especially commendable in that
it showed great restraint by officers, Kerlikowske said.
Also applauded was the department's program using volunteers to

help domestic-violence victims find shelters and other services.
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Seattle Police Department is justifiably proud of a coveted
professional accreditation it has received for overall excellence in
operations, training and management.
The award is difficult for any law-enforcement agency to earn, but

is especially rare among large, urban police departments. Seattle is
one of only four of the largest 25 cities in the United States to earn
the distinction.
After two years of work, Seattle formally received the recognition

this past Saturday from the Commission on Accreditation for Law
Enforcement Agencies at a fall conference in Colorado Springs,
Colo.
Pursuit of accreditation is a voluntary process that demonstrates a

measure of confidence and a willingness to do the paperwork to
document and analyze current programs. For an agency the size of
Seattle's, with 1,845 personnel, it is a daunting task, because the
standards and expectations rise with the size of the department.
The next step is verification by outside assessors that the

department's training, operations, management and community
outreach are among the best in the profession.
Accreditation carries the additional responsibility of continual self-

assessment and outside review for three years. Then, the
accreditation is conducted every three years.
Seattle's achievement is noteworthy. So is the past accreditation

earned by other agencies including the Washington State Patrol and
police departments in Auburn, Edmonds, Federal Way, Kent,
Redmond and Renton.
Winning and holding the accreditation is a mark of excellence and a

reason to be proud.

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http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/d...ack4button.html
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competitive prices. Do you have any feedback on the dependability
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Here are a couple of in-car camera systems (dashcams) that

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tekfetish Streaming audio and video to the internet so cops can not confisacte
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I've read that an iPhone hack will allow streaming video straight to
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I've been a fan of the idea since seeing Brett Darrow's videos. In
the video where the cop asked about the camera I think the
recording would have been destroyed if Brett had not said "it's
being uploaded to a secure location."
With the cops confiscating cameras and the internet popularizing

the audio/video, I think streaming data straight to the internet is
crucial.
Has anyone been using such technology (audio or video)?

What other popular options are there for this?
Has anyone done something similar with a BlackBerry (again, audio

or video)?
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mr.b i have not done it with my iphone but I streaming live with a web
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work just fine.
So minimal if not using a handheld will be computer, webcam,

cellular modem, cellular phone service?
Does YouTube limit the amount of data that you can stream in?
If so are there other apps or sites available for this same thing?
Anything that can be installed on you own site?
I'd like to get something like this setup for audio at least.
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The NYPD has found an unintended use for the T-Mobile Sidekick
and other hand-held devices -- a ro blade can be secreted in their
battery compartments, police sources say.
At the same, sources say, officers have been alerted to a recent

Harlem arrest in which a cell phone recovered from a suspect had
been converted into a stun gun. And officers guarding prisoners in
hospitals have been told that meal trays have a vanity mirror that
can easily be fashioned into a makeshift shiv.
The NYPD routinely alerts its officers to unique and creative weapon
making, everything from knives inside lipstick containers to steering
wheel security devices that can be converted into shotguns.
Police sources say the makeshift weapons are often a result of a

heavy police presence in certain areas or a push to keep guns off
the streets. Last year, for instance, knives and other sharp objects
were the weapon of choice in 125 slayings, up 50 percent compared
to 83 such killings in 2007. Gun murders, meanwhile, dropped to
292 last year, from 347 the year before.
But knives, or at least razor blades, are much easier to hide. An

unofficial missive making its way around a number of precincts
shows how easy it is to hide a razor blade in the battery
compartment of a T-Mobile Sidekick and other devices, in the
narrow space between the back cover and battery.
A spokesperson for T-Mobile could not be reached for comment

Monday night.
Another warning concerns the seizure of a stun gun cell phone,

sources say. The improvised weapon was unlikely to cause much
harm, as the jolt was described as low-level.
More formally, an internal memo circulated departmentwide

Thursday warns that the hospital meal tray "could pose a threat to

police officers, prisoners and hospital staff." The vanity mirror, the
memo says, is in a second-level compartment and can pop up for
easy use by a patient. Accompanying the memo is a photo of a
cracked mirror.
Sgt. Carlos Nieves, a police spokesman, said the memo came after
an officer noticed the mirror in the tray and saw the potential
threat. "There have been no incidents where an NYPD officer has
been assaulted," he added.
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-- a razor blade can be secreted in their battery

compartments, police sources say.
Good thing they leaked this to the press huh?
At the same, sources say, officers have been alerted to

a recent Harlem arrest in which a cell phone recovered
from a suspect had been converted into a stun gun.
And officers guarding prisoners in hospitals have been
told that meal trays have a vanity mirror that can easily
be fashioned into a makeshift shiv.
I can make a stun gun from a disposable camera!
The NYPD routinely alerts its officers to unique and

creative weapon making, everything from knives inside
lipstick containers to steering wheel security devices
that can be converted into shotguns.
The NYPD routinely alerts the media to unique and

creative weapon making,
Another warning concerns the seizure of a stun gun cell

phone, sources say. The improvised weapon was
unlikely to cause much harm, as the jolt was described
as low-level.
Sgt. Carlos Nieves, a police spokesman, said the memo

came after an officer noticed the mirror in the tray and
saw the potential threat. "There have been no incidents

where an NYPD officer has been assaulted," he added.
McClatchy-Tribune News Service [/B]
Then why bother?
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I think, internally, the NYPD considers being covertly recorded to be

a form of assault.
We already have the hardware, we just need better software...
If the cops take the cellphone, a well hidden bluetooth device could
continue to transmit a signal to the phone, uploading the audio to
the web. A hidden camera could do the same using a bluetooth
connection (not sure what kind of video quality can be sent over
bluetooth but it would be better than nothing). Should be able to
connect several bluetooth mics to a phone simultaneously but I
haven't seen this done on a handheld yet.
The phone should always look off. Type in a special code and it will
then look normal so it can be used. When done it will look off again.
Cops will eventually catch on and start taking the batteries out of
the phones but they will have been burned many times by then. It's
clear that most cops' egos and rage at not being obeyed far
outweigh their ability to keep up with technology, remember the Bill
of Rights, and not do something stupid.
Then phones could be hidden in cars. Or maybe they'll be small

enough to hide better themselves on a person.
Heck, this is a perfect situation where an implant would be

invaluable. The cops would not be able to take it away from you. I
don't like the idea of transmitting a cellular signal from within my
body but if it is only done in a case where audio/video is being
recorded it should not be too harmful. Heck, I want one.
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Senior Member the way you speak of. You turn the ringer off and set the phone to
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LAWRENCE — They were real looking enough. Three wooden
plaques each embossed with a gold police shield, a small gun piece
and each engraved with an officer's name.
But these "plaques" sent to the police department Sunday were no

awards. They came from a bogus address in Puerto Rico,
supposedly sent from a former assistant district attorney and were
in recognition for the officers being "corrupt." They were dated "9-
11-2007."
As first reported on The Eagle-Tribune's Web site eagletribune.com

yesterday, police Chief John Romero has launched an investigation

into who sent the packages. He said police are contemplating
criminal charges, possibly at the federal level. Police yesterday
dusted the plaques for fingerprints. Romero was one of the
recipients of the so-called award.
Lawrence police also notified the postal inspector in Boston. The

sender could face federal charges for using the U.S. Postal Service
"to threaten, harass or intimidate," Romero said.
Romero said detectives have a suspect in mind "based on similar

harassing correspondence" he has received, but declined to identify
the person.
It's not uncommon for the Police Department to receive disparaging

or critical letters along with notes of kudos and praise. But Romero
said he's never received a plaque of this nature.
"It seems this individual went to great lengths and expense to do

this. That, in itself, is disturbing," Romero said.
Whoever made up the plaques and shipped them went to

considerable expense, Romero said. The plaques probably cost
$200 apiece to make and the shipping total was $75.
http://www.eagletribune.com/punews/..._051060938.html
11-23-2008 07:52 PM
photoman Fake? They were as real as any hanging on the wall of the Lawrence
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These crybabies want to hang a plaque that honors them - then
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Maybe they need to look at this Supreme Court Ruling before
they get their panties in too much of a wad:
U.S. Supreme Court
City of Houston v. Hill, 482 U.S. 451 (1987)
The First Amendment protects a significant amount of verbal

criticism and challenge directed at police officers. "Speech is often
provocative and challenging. . . . [But it] is nevertheless protected
against censorship or punishment, unless shown likely to produce a
clear and present danger of a serious substantive evil that rises far
above public inconvenience, annoyance, or unrest."
Terminiello v. Chicago, 337 U.S. 1, 4 (1949).
In Lewis v. City of New Orleans, 415 U.S. 130 (1974), for example,
the appellant was found to have yelled obscenities and threats at an
officer who had asked appellant's husband to produce his driver's

license. Appellant was convicted under a municipal ordinance that

made it a crime "`for any person wantonly to curse or revile or to
use obscene or opprobrious language toward or with reference to
any member of the city police while in the actual performance of his
duty.'" Id., at 132 (citation omitted). We vacated the conviction and
invalidated the ordinance as facially overbroad. Critical to our
decision was the fact that the ordinance "punishe[d] only spoken
words" and was not limited in scope to fighting words that "`by
their very utterance [482 U.S. 451, 462] inflict injury or tend to
incite an immediate breach of the peace.'" Id., at 133, quoting
Gooding v. Wilson, 405 U.S. 518, 525 (1972); see also ibid.
(Georgia breach-of-peace statute not limited to fighting words held
facially invalid).
Moreover, in a concurring opinion in Lewis, JUSTICE POWELL

suggested that even the "fighting words" exception recognized in
Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568 (1942), might require
a narrower application in cases involving words addressed to a
police officer, because "a properly trained officer may reasonably be
expected to `exercise a higher degree of restraint' than the average
citizen, and thus be less likely to respond belligerently to `fighting
words.'" 415 U.S., at 135.
11-23-2008 08:08 PM
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If it pisses them off - and it's legal - what are they going to do? Cry
- piss & moan like they did here? Better yet have them accept it on
video and U Tube it!
11-23-2008 08:25 PM

liberranter I wonder who made the plaques, and where can we order
Super Moderator more? It appears that some lucky entrepreneur is onto
something big here. I also predict that demand will greatly
exceed supply for the foreseeable future!
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TheJackel Anyone with about $80 can order one!

DOUGHNUT MAKER - cream
with that sir? http://www.trophyawards.com/plaque/photomount.htm
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If the Kiwanis Club can give the PD a plaque, then Copwatchers can
give them one?
I like this version - you can put a picture on it for a more

personal, one of a kind, custom application.
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I have a question for those you that are amazingly brilliant when it
Registered: Dec 2006 comes to computers. One of my not so brilliant teenagers pulled a
Location:
Posts: 87 stupid stunt over a year ago. He copied a $20 bill on my printer
then tried to use it at a McDonald's. No doubt the look on my face
when I got the call at work to meet with the Secret Service would
have made me Poster Mom for Mothers of the Dumbest Criminals.
But I digress, so back to the point. The Secret Service came to my
home took my computer for a couple weeks then returned it. It
would not turn on, and I had just purchased it 3 months prior. The
SS told me they didn't damage it, only mirrored the hard drive. The
computer repair guy had to replace a few components, but warned
me there could be something (either hardware or software) that he
couldn't find placed on the computer by the SS for future watching.
The computer guy also confirmed what the agent told me. I was

one of the few fortunate people to have my equipment returned to

me, since I was cooperative. Yeah, right, like I believe that's why
they returned it. The agent said the lab guys were disappointed in
me because they like it when they get to keep new HPs.
So after making a short story long, how do I know if anything is on

my computer? I don't have anything to hide, but don't like the fact
big brother has given himself access to a tool I use for my
embroidery and t-shirt business.
01-01-2007 03:02 PM
James Young You don't know. Sounds to me like it's time to dump the old one
Moderator and call Dell. The price of a new computer is much less than the
hassle of having the government looking over your shoulder.
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JmE
Senior Member
+1 on James Young's advice.
IMHO, it is time to get a new computer. *If* your computer is

Registered: Aug 2005 outfitted by the feds to be monitored then I would guess it has
Location: Directly behind you redundancies so you could never be sure you removed it all.
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A simple thing would be custom flashed BIOS that booted some bug
from NVRAM, FlashRAM, the internet, etc. Even if you flashed the
BIOS, I doubt that would get it all as there could be other
components added to the system which would act as a bug. If they
took the time to bug your computer, it is likely that they would go
'all the way' with all the technology at their disposal.
BTW: You might want to check around your house, car(s), etc as
well.
Essentially, if you have suspicion that your computer has been

'spiked' by the feds then the cost of a new computer is outweighed
by the risk to your personal liberty and privacy, IMHO.
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01-01-2007 04:31 PM
Cousin Eddie You could always sell it & then use the money for a new computer.
Junior Member That's what I would do. The idea of a govenment agency
scrutinizing my every keystroke/click of the mouse sends shivers
Registered: Oct 2007 down my spine.
Location: Kansas City. MO
Posts: 25 It was the printer that did it. From what i understand printers print
a certain code on every paper it prints .... that way if a it is used to
print currency.... they can trace it back to the printer, where it was
purchased & who likely purchased it (if purchased with a credit
card). I also understand that newly made printers/photoshop
programs wont even allow you to duplicate currency on them.
On the subject..... i always wondered.... is it illegal to throw out a

piece of furniture that you knew was bugged by the cops/feds? Say
you discover a bug ..... would/could you be prosecuted for
removing it?
10-16-2007 07:44 AM
suspectzero This is only my opinion and IS NOT to be taken as legal advice. I

Member believe that Uncle Sam would try to prosecute you for interfering
with or subvert an investigation, or something along those lines. I
Registered: Sep 2007 would imagine that if you just gave your furniture away without
Location: suspecting it contained eaves dropping equipment how could that
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be a crime? But if you found it and removed it on purpose and their
was an official investigation with warrants and all that stuff I would
assume Uncle Sam would get ya once it was removed. Maybe the
catch would be if you found something strange, and took pictures of
it, recorded the serial numbers on it and called the police to come
take it away. Then you might have a fighting chance of avoiding
some bogus charge.
Let LE remove it after you video tape it, photograph it, let witnesses
see it, and get the serial numbers from it.

10-17-2007 01:57 AM
suspectzero Digital cameras also have that hidden identifier/ serial number
Member embedded in each picture taken with the device.
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10-17-2007 02:00 AM
GC Marciano Dump the computer and get a new one.

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10-17-2007 02:50 PM
suspectzero I agree with GC505 get a new computer.

Member But don't just throw the computer away!
Make it a charitable donation to an organization. Maybe to the
Registered: Sep 2007 campaign of a certain politician, or cause group. After all if it is a
Location: clean system, and the SS hasn't put anything in it then there should
Posts: 72
be no problems for the new users. Right?
Know what I mean! Nudge Nudge, say no more!
This just my attempt to give a humorous opinion and is not to be

taken serious in any shape or form.
10-18-2007 09:50 AM

liberranter Yes, buy a new PC, or, at a minimum, buy a new replacement
Super Moderator hard drive. Also, buy a UPS external backup drive and regularly
back your data up so as to have a copy of everything important
in the event that the fedpigs or anyone else acting under "color
of law" seize your computer in the future. You might also want
to consider purchasing encryption software that will encrypt the
entire contents of your hard drive. No, it won't prevent the feds
(in particular) from examining the contents of the drive in a
forensic investigation, but it will make it just a little bit harder
for them.
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Grigg
10-18-2007 12:53 PM
Ydef I know I'm a bit late ...

Junior Member
in getting to this thread, but as a computer forensics professional

with experience in this area I would love to have the opportunity to
examine your system as I'm intrigued to learn how advanced uncle
Sam is these days in remote monitoring if you did in fact decide to
no longer use it. Do you have it laying around somewhere. If by
some slim chance you do still have it, please PM me if you're
Registered: Jun 2007 interested in selling for a reasonable price. I would be happy to
Location: share any info I find in this forum.
Posts: 6
Even if you've sold it (although I couldn't do something like that
with a clear conscience without informing would be buyers of its
history) please let me know as perhaps the buyer would be
interested in selling it to me whenever he wishes to upgrade.
I hope I'm not to late that you see this message. Thanks.

10-19-2007 05:17 AM
coljohnhannibal ONCE YOU GET A NEW COMPUTER...

Junior Member
Once you get a new computer you may want to consider:
www.torproject.org
& PGP

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04-16-2008 06:50 PM
Gallowsman PGP. Isn't that the one encryption program that this guy had on his
Junior Member laptop that caused all the hoopla when the Fed's could not crack it,
so after over a year of trying they tried to force him to give-up the
Registered: Jan 2007 password? So far the courts have sided with his right to not
Location: Maine incriminate himself.
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On the rest. Sell it and get a new one. Donate it to a Police Dept.
maybe.
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04-17-2008 12:07 AM
coljohnhannibal I don't think indyhome has much to worry about

Junior Member
The fact that the SS got involved in a photocopying incident is

absurd on the face of it; however, they are the appropriate agency
to investigate counterfitting, since they are part of the Treasury
dept. I suspect they also have much bigger fish to fry.
Anyway apparently, they got called in somehow and once on the

Registered: Apr 2008 scene it's probably SOP to investigate, especially since they had to
Location:
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your computer is the most obvious place to look, since if you really
were making a counterfitting test-run with the photocopy, they
could just look at your cookies, browser history & Temporary

Internet files, to see if you had been visiting websites that provided
technical instruction. They would also want to see if you had
installed any advanced graphics editing software and had saved any
currency templates on your HDD.
I seriously doubt they put any bugs on your laptop; but to be safe,
repartition and reformat the HDD, and then just to be safe, have
Dell replace the BIOS Chip itself, or just reFlash it. If you're really
worried, tell Dell you had someone else work on it and they may
have incorrectly replaced the BIOS chip or some other parts and
ask them to make sure the unit has not been modified in any way.
If they really want to look at your web surfing habits, they can just
order a wiretap at your ISP. No need to get messy and screw
around with you Laptop. I don't think they even need a Warrant to
intercept your email. Most ISP's are too frightened to demand one
these days anyway. The ***s can just Red Squad their businesss
and they'll lose everything.
I'm not concerned about your Laptop.
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04-17-2008 02:16 AM
JohnStarks72 Know this entry is old but I'm new and slowly reading through all
Junior Member entries. In reference to the comments about computer printers
leaving behind an "invisible" trace on documents, printer paper is
Registered: Aug 2008 also "invisibly" marked for purposes of tracing purchase point if
Location: NJ need be. So be careful what you send out from your house,
Posts: 10
although is audience is probably well aware of that.
10-23-2008 03:01 AM

liberranter As I mentioned earlier in a related thread, I would recommend

Super Moderator that EVERYONE implement a whole-disk encryption program on
their personal computers. (TrueCrypt a free open-source
product available from Mozilla downloads that works very well).
While I can't say with certainty that this won't prevent the
fedswine from eventually getting ahold of your data (I'm sure
many commercial vendors of encryption software have been
strong-armed by the fedswine into creating a "back door" in
their software to enable fedspying), it will make it one hell of a
lot tougher and more time-consuming for them to do so.
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Grigg
10-23-2008 12:45 PM
MGMAN Re: Secret Service and my computer

Senior Member
quote:
Originally posted by indyhome

I have a question for those you that are
amazingly brilliant when it comes to computers.
One of my not so brilliant teenagers pulled a
stupid stunt over a year ago. He copied a $20 bill
on my printer then tried to use it at a McDonald's.
No doubt the look on my face when I got the call
at work to meet with the Secret Service would
have made me Poster Mom for Mothers of the
Location: Peoples Rebublik of Dumbest Criminals. But I digress, so back to the
Georgia point. The Secret Service came to my home took
Posts: 1130 my computer for a couple weeks then returned it.
It would not turn on, and I had just purchased it
3 months prior. The SS told me they didn't
damage it, only mirrored the hard drive. The

computer repair guy had to replace a few

components, but warned me there could be
something (either hardware or software) that he
couldn't find placed on the computer by the SS for
future watching. The computer guy also
confirmed what the agent told me. I was one of
the few fortunate people to have my equipment
returned to me, since I was cooperative. Yeah,
right, like I believe that's why they returned it.
The agent said the lab guys were disappointed in
me because they like it when they get to keep
new HPs.
So after making a short story long, how do I know

if anything is on my computer? I don't have
anything to hide, but don't like the fact big
brother has given himself access to a tool I use
for my embroidery and t-shirt business.
I have read this post several times now, and to be honest I am

confused about some things in it. The first thing I am confused
about is getting caught at McDonald's. Its been my experience that
most of the front end people at McDonald's are not the brightest
bulbs in the pack. The next part I am confused about is why would
the secret service want to do something like that? I know 2 people
that has had their computers hard drives "mirrored" by the feds,
said "mirroring" was done in a computer lab and the computers
placed back in an operable condition. My point here is that IF the
feds DID insert something into your computer they WOULD HAVE
made sure the computer was BACK IN AN OPERABLE condition, to
do anything else would bring attention to the computer. I am also
confused about this >>>>The computer repair guy had to replace a
few components<<<<< What components were replaced? A
computer is actually a very simple assembly of a motherboard that
contains your processor and in most cases your hard drive
controller and your sound hardware, and in some cases a network
card, A harddrive , a CD/DVD drive, internal connecting cables, a
system to keep processor cool and installed software/firmware to
boot up and install the operating system. So what was replaced ?
As for getting your computer back in both the cases I just wrote
about BOTH were issued receipt that stated who took computer,
warrant information and the reason said computer was seized. If
computer is NOT returned and the feds don't have a good reason to
keep it, you have legal rights.
Now I want to say something. I have saw with my own 2 eyes the
feds at work. I have seen them abuse US citizens due process
rights. I can't stand being placed in a position to defend them, but

in this case I feel I need to. Not because they need to be defended,
but because there is enough stress in life and people don't need
more. Relax this is the secret service NOT the jack booted thugs at
the FBI/ATF or the IRS. I honestly believe that there is nothing left
in your computer. I also think you need a new computer guy. I
would invest in a new hard drive and do a recovery, this will put
your computer back in its "out of the box" condition.
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When your butt is on the line the first thing you do is scream about “due process”
and the “rule of law”, how about extending this to the general public!
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting different results."
Members of the NCIS (Narcotics Criminal Investigation and Suppression team)

that work in Stephens, Habersham and Rabun Counties in North East Georgia are
murderers! They killed a man in cold blood!!
DO NOT talk to cops, they are NOT your friend, and NOTHING good can come
from it. You have the right to stay silent, DO IT!
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10-23-2008 12:51 PM
liberranter Re: Re: Secret Service and my computer

Super Moderator
quote:
Originally posted by MGMAN
Relax this is the secret service NOT the jack

booted thugs at the FBI/ATF or the IRS.

Location: Tucson, AZ Unfortunately, the Secret Service is a member agency of the
Posts: 5865 federal "jackbooted thug" club, just like the others you
mentioned, and just as dangerous.
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Grigg
10-23-2008 01:17 PM
MGMAN Re: Re: Re: Secret Service and my computer

Senior Member
quote:

Unfortunately, the Secret Service is a member
agency of the federal "jackbooted thug" club, just
like the others you mentioned, and just as
dangerous.

Location: Peoples Rebublik of
Georgia
liberranter generally you and I are in agreement here. Yes the
Posts: 1130 Secret Service can and HAS done things that are dangerous.
However I was referring to this simple case of passing a bogus bill.
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pasquinel Don't you think.....

Junior Member
...you provoke some police abuse by filming them anytime ?

Location: Don't you think you have a role in the police brutalyties by playing
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on their nerves filming 'em ?
05-22-2008 06:27 PM

liberranter Re: Don't you think.....

Super Moderator
quote:
Originally posted by pasquinel

{Don't you think}...you provoke some police
abuse by filming them anytime ?
Don't you think you have a role in the police

brutalyties by playing on their nerves filming
'em ?
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To repeat what is assuredly a trite, but very apt phrase:
quote:
If you can't stand the heat, get the hell out of

the kitchen.
If cops do not like to be filmed, or otherwise have their actions

as "public servants" scrutinized, they should stop behaving in a
manner that so frequently calls their behavior into question (to
put it mildly and politely).
If cops actually demonstrated behavior that is characteristic of

the trusted "public servants" that they so fatuously claim to be,
then there would be very few incidents of citizens expending the
time, effort, and resources --not to mention exposing
themselves to potential life-ending danger-- to film them.
SO, if cops want to see an end to the many incidents of having

themselves appear on YouTube, then let them start behaving in
a manner that removes the reason for their being filmed in the
first place. Otherwise, they should turn in their badges and go
find jobs in the private sector where their performance is
monitored in a somewhat less obtrusive manner (but where it
will, most assuredly, be monitored nonetheless).
Does that answer your question(s)?
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05-22-2008 07:11 PM
Cataclysm Re: Don't you think.....

The People should not fear the
Government, the Government
quote:
should fear the People.

...you provoke some police abuse by filming them
anytime ?

'em ?

Location: The edge of
INSANITY we call "occupied" Say what? There is not one cop in this country that should mind
Amerika. being filmed while performing his duties. If he is performing as he
Posts: 566 or she should, then he or she should wave and smile at the camera
when he or she gets a chance and say "THANK YOU" for being
interested and the support your are giving Law Enforcement.
Of course, most brain dead cops like to intimidate those with

cameras or video recording devices into shutting them off. These
idiotic cops stomp on the US Constitution.
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sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any
who might attempt to abuse them, which includes their own GOVERNMENT." -
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Any statement I make is my opinion and covered by the US Constitutions

Right to Free Speech, so if you are offended, I do not care.

05-22-2008 09:40 PM
MGMAN Re: Don't you think.....

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quote:

anytime ?

'em ?

Georgia
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me thinks me smells a coptroll.
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liberranter Re: Re: Don't you think.....

Super Moderator
quote:
me thinks me smells a coptroll.

Posts: 5865 You're probably right. Only a cop would ask such stupid
questions in this forum when the answers to them permeate
damned near every thread ever posted.
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Grigg
05-23-2008 12:58 PM
MGMAN I would love to see a Cop come on this website, say who he is and
Senior Member what dept he works for and explain to the members here, why most
Cops fear being filmed. Not calling members names just explain
why they fear being filmed. I don't want to see a Cop say its an
officer safety thing because most of us have seen countless
examples of where people are nowhere near the Cops, and said
Cops approach them and start something. Come on you Cops take
me up on my challenge. Please tell all of us members why you fear
being filmed!
I ask for the information about you so I can verify that you are a
real Cop and not some troll, and YES I will verify! If you either are
NOT a Cop or will not say who you are I will treat you as a Troll.


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liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
I would love to see a Cop come on this

website, say who he is and what dept he
works for and explain to the members here,
why most Cops fear being filmed.

The earth will reverse its rotational direction before that will
Posts: 5865 ever happen. Every cop that I can recall who has been issued
this challenge by the membership has refused on the grounds of
--yep, you guessed it--- "officer safety." Of course this leads to
the question of why they have such fears and concerns if most
of them believe, as they so often state in this forum, that we're
all just a bunch of paranoid cranks who are all mouth and no
action. If that's true, if we're "all bark and no bite", then why
not give out your demographic information? Surely an all-
powerful agent of the State wouldn't have any fear of reprisals
by (or any fear at all of) people who are "all-bark-and-no-bite
cranks", now would they?
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05-23-2008 04:58 PM
dsntslp Re: Don't you think.....

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anytime ?

'em ?
---------------
So....the police are "provoked" by being filmed? Wow, sure doesn't
take much does it?
So....filming the police gets on their nerves and leads to..."police

brutality"? Wow, sure doesn't take much does it?
Let's see... using YOUR logic police brutality can be attributed to

someone filming the police. That's like saying the woman who got
beat deserved it because "she made him do it". Try again!
05-23-2008 08:44 PM

GC Marciano Re: Don't you think.....

quote:

...you provoke some police abuse by filming
them anytime ?

Registered: Jul 2003 'em ?
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What a complete and utter moron.
...Me thinks me smells a run-of-the-mill, brainless pig fucker.
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05-23-2008 09:19 PM
GC Marciano I'll bet this idiot also says that rape victims provoked the rapist
Copwatcher Extraordinaire by being attractive.
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05-23-2008 09:21 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Originally posted by GC505
I'll bet this idiot also says that rape victims

provoked the rapist by being attractive.
If he's a cop, you can just about bet that that's EXACTLY what
he believes, and that it's the excuse he uses each time he rapes
a defenseless citizen.
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05-23-2008 09:25 PM

AVENGER What a &^%$ing dumb^%$. Provoked or not, NO PERSON has the

Senior Member right to accost another as these porkers do on a routine basis. If
you film me and I don't like it, what can I do about it? Sure, I can
beat you senseless with your own camera, but then I get to take
showers with a bunch of hairballs for a while and pay some useless
attorney exorbitant fees for nothing.
Let's say that you do more than film me. Let's say that you call me
names such as "p*g," "bacon," or "porky." Do you think that I then
have the right to smash your face with a baton and then arrest you
Registered: Feb 2007 as well? Again, what a &^%$ing dumb^%$.
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05-24-2008 08:45 PM
djohn21 Re: Don't you think.....

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anytime ?

'em ?
If they are so unhinged by someone taking their photo, or video

taping them, then perhaps its time for them to seek a new line of
work.
If you cant handle working under the public eye, then dont take a
job where thats going to happen.

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Cruise New toy

Member
I added a new toy to my arsenal of covert video. I just received a

Registered: Feb 2008 pen camera with built in 4gb storage. That is at least a couple to
Location:
Posts: 66 few hours.It is the same size as one of those thicker pens and has
color video with sound. Plug it straight into a usb port and the
contents are on your computer. It functions as a pen too. LOL. I got
it off ebay for 60 bucks. It will go everywhere with me.
08-29-2008 08:46 PM

Night Raven Nice new toy!

Senior Member
Sounds like a very good tool to record porcine activities. Have

found that porkers are more likely to exhibit their inherent
psychopathic natures if they do not know that they are being
recorded.
A coupla questions:
How fine is the pen camera's resolution?
Registered: May 2008 Can it operate in low light conditions?
Location: How sensitive is its mic?
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What is its brand?
Thanks for your time. Good hunting.
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08-29-2008 10:53 PM
Cruise The video is acceptable and the audio is nice. It is not the best in
Member low light situations but will do. I bought it from ebay from someone
in Hong Kong. It does not have a name brand. Type, pen camera
Registered: Feb 2008 into ebay search and you will see many sellers of them in hong
Location: kong. I just picked someone with good feedback and received it in a
Posts: 66
week. This is 60 bucks well spent.
08-30-2008 08:15 PM

Vigilance Thanks Cruise! Great find! Think I'm gonna get me a few as well.
Senior Member

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08-30-2008 08:24 PM
Cruise Your welcome. This is something the P I G G Y S won't be expecting.

Member
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08-31-2008 09:53 PM
Vigilance Hey Cruise,

Senior Member
Have you tried the pen out yet. I bought one too. BEWARE! The CD
that comes with the pen with the viewer software has a virus in it.
DO NOT run the Storm 3 software. Anyhow, it is all in Chinese and
impossible to use.
I downloaded and installed GOM player. It will play the video.
I still have not figured out how to set the date and time on the pen.
Have you? My pen came with the date pre-set but the battery died
and it was lost.
Registered: Apr 2008 So far it take pretty decent video and the audio is great.
Location:
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09-28-2008 07:49 PM

Cruise Hi vigilance. I ran the disc. I was wondering why I have a problem
Member getting my computer to recognize this thing. Can you put a link to
the good software. I can get the computer to recognize it but it
Registered: Feb 2008 takes work. I won't put that disc in again. Thanks
Location:
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09-28-2008 08:32 PM
Vigilance quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by Cruise
Hi vigilance. I ran the disc. I was wondering why
I have a problem getting my computer to
recognize this thing. Can you put a link to the
good software. I can get the computer to
recognize it but it takes work. I won't put that
disc in again. Thanks

Location: The disk has an instruction sheet in MS Word format which is safe
Posts: 915 to open and their is a user config file for setting the date and time
which is also safe to open. You have to copy the userconfig file to
the pen and then change the date and time.
Quick Time player would play it just barely but there was a LOT of
tiling effect in the picture. Windows media player would play the
audio but not the video. Use the link for the GOM Media Player. It
works really well. Just download it, open the install and follow the
instructions. I selected all of the types of video formats.
http://www.download.com/GOM-Media-P...4-10551786.html
The link below is for the Storm 3 latest version you can download
WITHOUT the virus. Only problem is that the software is all in
Chinese so unless you can read Chinese, the software is useless.
http://www.baofeng.com/down.html#01
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COPWATCH.com Forum > COPWATCH TOOLS AND TECHNOLOGIES > Micro HD DVR -
Digital Video Recorders
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CC Rider Micro HD DVR - Digital Video Recorders

GOT FREE SPEECH?
I looked up this unit after a fellow member stated he had one!

IMHO this is a perfect alternative and it looks much like my ****
CLASSIC (80 gig) which I have been trying to figure out how to
Registered: Mar 2007 wire to hold video from the units I have in my vehicles. Problem
Location: Behind You solved!
Posts: 1060
For around $300 this unit would be awesome for "personal
protection" and chances are the rogue cops would not think it was
anything other than a MP3 player.
The only issue I see is the need not to have the DVR on you - only
the camera. If the range is decent (say 20 - 30 feet) this would be
great to place the DVR hidden inside the vehicle to prevent them
from stealing your evidence - You all know how often cops loose

dash cam video right!
Can you imagine the look on some worthless cop's face when he
pats you down and finds the camera... He then asks, what is this?
You reply it is a wireless Digital Video camera and this entire
episode is being sent directly to my web server!
For anyone interested here is the link:

http://www.pimall.com/nais/dvr6.html
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Cruise That's it!

Member
That is the exact dvr I told you about. Your on the ball CC RIDER. I
Registered: Feb 2008 can testify it works exceptional. It's range with the wireless camera
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I tested mine with the unit in the house and walked outside a few
hundred feet and crystal clear. I use the wired setup because you
never know when you are gonna be in a need for it when your away
from your car. Like in a mall or city hall or something like that. I
need it for more than corrupt police. I have a serious dislike for
corrupt local politicians also.

02-12-2008 02:24 PM
CC Rider Re: That's it!

GOT FREE SPEECH?
quote:
Originally posted by Cruise

Registered: Mar 2007 That is the exact dvr I told you about. Your on the
Location: Behind You ball CC RIDER. I can testify it works exceptional.
Posts: 1060 It's range with the wireless camera is unparalled.
20 30 feet hell, it has like 500 plus feet
transmission. I tested mine with the unit in the
house and walked outside a few hundred feet and
crystal clear. I use the wired setup because you
never know when you are gonna be in a need for
it when your away from your car. Like in a mall or
city hall or something like that. I need it for more
than corrupt police. I have a serious dislike for
corrupt local politicians also.
I don't let much get past me Cruise. I have been the victim of
abuse and will never allow it to happen again without enough
evidence to bury their ass!
IMO video and audio is the only way we are ever going to be taken
seriously in a court of law. It's legal and non lethal so I prefer
carrying a DVR than a gun when dealing with LE and recent reports
in the MSM prove that it is making a small difference and they can't
ignore the video / audio evidence.
LE are putting up red light cameras and have dash cams, so you
can bet I will keep my video installed in any vehicle I own. You still
run the risk of getting your footage stolen by the cops, but I am
working with an Electrical Engineer I know that believes he can
assemble a compact devise that would prevent that from happening
easily!
What it entails is a Black Box if you will, that has a 1394 fire wire
port to plug into to download the video. The box will be constructed
to be secured with a stainless steel shell, hinge and hardware so if
they think they are just going to knock the top off and search it, it
will never happen that easy!
They would then require a search warrant to break into the box and
then the evidence they think will yield them a feather in their hat
may put them in prison, and they insisted that it be retrieved!
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Cruise Keep me updated on your setup. For now I have nothing permanent
Member installed because I drive alot of different vehicles. I want it with me
at all times. I'll shoot the ****er before I let them destroy my
Registered: Feb 2008 evidence so i'm not worried about that. I've had enough of this
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02-12-2008 10:18 PM
kola how is the signal sent to your home computer?

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how is the signal sent to your home computer?
Kola
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 1060
It's not sent to a home PC - the box will hold the DVR to keep your
footage from getting snagged. But with a wireless laptop you could
load it directly to your PC mounted in the vehicle and send it to a
server for storage with the click of a remote button. This is another

option I am investigating.
You have to think like a cop to play the same games they play with
the public - I doubt that if he has committed an act he had rather
not be seen, once he discovers the camera (if he discovers the
camera) he will not wish to make the situation any worst! If it does
get worse and he / she decides to try and retrieve and destroy the
evidence - you have to make him think that it has produced more
than one copy. Once a cop realizes he is being recorded they back
off pretty quick if they have anything to hide!
Some fancy graphics made on any PC could show a schematic that

makes it seem the unit is sending to the web. You print it on a vinyl
one sided sticker and place it on the top of the unit where he can
see it. Most cops are dumb asses and don't have a clue about
electronics so when they see the equipment they will freak out and
more than likely you will be sent on your way – or they will kick the
living **** out of you and in either case the evidence is still there
to pin their ass to the mat!
DAMN I LOVE TECHNOLOGY!
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COPWATCH.com Forum > COPWATCH TOOLS AND TECHNOLOGIES > We all need
pinhole/hidden cameras in our cars and homes
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xtratabasco We all need pinhole/hidden cameras in our cars and homes

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watch the video on the link here:

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Missouri: Police Roadblock Harassment Caught on Tape

St. Louis County, Missouri threaten to arrest a teenager for refusing
to discuss his personal travel plans
The Newspaper
Wednesday, January 3, 2007
A teenager harassed by police in St. Louis, Missouri caught the

incident on tape. Brett Darrow, 19, had his video camera rolling last

month as he drove his 1997 Maxima, minding his own business. He

approached a drunk driving roadblock where he was stopped,
detained and threatened with arrest when he declined to enter a
conversation with a police officer about his personal travel habits.
Now Darrow is considering filing suit against St. Louis County Police.
"I'm scared to drive for fear of being stopped at another checkpoint

and arrested while doing nothing illegal," Darrow told
TheNewspaper. "We're now guilty until we prove ourselves innocent
to these checkpoint officers."
On that late November night, videotape confirms that Darrow had

been ordered out of his vehicle after telling a policeman, "I don't
wish to discuss my personal life with you, officer." Another officer
attempted to move Darrow's car until he realized, "I can't drive
stick!" The officer took the opportunity to undertake a thorough
search of the interior without probable cause. He found nothing.
When Darrow asked why he was being detained, an officer

explained, "If you don't stop running your mouth, we're going to
find a reason to lock you up tonight."
The threats ended when Darrow informed officers that they were
being recorded. After speaking to a supervisor Darrow was finally
released.
"These roadblocks have gotten out of hand," Darrow told

TheNewspaper. "If we don't do something about them now, it'll be
too late."
A full video of the incident is available here. A transcript is provided

below as the audio is at times very faint.
01-04-2007 09:11 PM
Ydef That would seriously piss me off too, if some redneck officer got in
Junior Member my car who didn't know how to drive a stick and fuqed up my
clutch in the process.
What a PRICK.

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charliejoe what a douchebag!

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Jesus, what has become of our society? Shouldn't people who have
Registered: Jul 2007 the right to **** with us unmercifully have a little higher standard
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07-28-2007 03:04 AM
Mack We're honored and fortunate to have Mr. Darrow as a moderator

Assistant Moderator here on the forum.
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07-28-2007 05:01 AM
dalesd How can I get an in-car video camera like that? I wish I had a
Junior Member camera to tape stuff like that.

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08-09-2007 11:07 PM

garri http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/
Junior Member http://www.spygadgets.com/
http://www.homespy.com/index.htm
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You can find all sorts of very small, hidden cameras, even that you
can hide in your clothes.
There are good audio recorders as well, for instance a watch that
can record audio for about 7 hours!
Very cool stuff and a much have items for CopWatchers all over!
08-14-2007 05:44 PM
dalesd Thanks, I'll look into that.

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08-14-2007 06:31 PM
GC Marciano I've done business with the folks at the PI Mall in the past -
Copwatcher Extraordinaire great service and decent pricing on all sorts of surveillance
equipment.
Website: www.pimall.com
Equipment: www.pimall.com/nais/equ.find.html
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08-14-2007 06:42 PM
tyrantobserver I am really impressed by this kid.

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He must be really intelligent for a 19 yr. old.

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09-10-2007 10:27 PM
Johnthesalesman Re: I am really impressed by this kid.

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He must be really intelligent for a 19 yr. old.
Bravo kid!
No doubt! Rock on Brett!

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Posts: 347 For me, the world-stage real-time war/action/adventure/drama
(very rarely a comedy) movie written by Madison Avenue flunkies is
just a game. But I don't usually play along unless they force me to.
09-10-2007 10:55 PM

Cousin Eddie I have seen comments on several news articles about the recent
Junior Member brett D. video (where the cop went nuts) that if anyone puts
together a standard camera kit to capitalize on this incident.... they
Registered: Oct 2007 will make a bunch of $$$! lol
Posts: 25 I really like the idea of pinhole cams in several hidden locations in
the vehicle. One pointed at the dash (to prove you actually DID
signal or wasnt speeding when the cop says you did) and another
either in the dash (or passenger door)pointing towards the driver's
side window (to film the officer) and possibly one aimed out the
back window (because cops will often take you to the the front of
their cruiser to "chat" with you when they remove you from your
car).... of course with the cop's headlights & spotlights on your
car.... the rearview cam wouldnt be very useful.
IMO I think a camera system in everyone's car (that you could

activate at will) would be fantastic! Let cops know that cameras can
be used against them.
10-16-2007 07:19 AM
tekfetish By doing something relatively simple Brett has really awakened a

Member lot of people. I just spent a few hours reading through various posts
and articles around the net about the two videos. Amazing.
Location: It's entertaining that James kept commenting about his camera and
Posts: 56 mic only for that evidence to disappear.
I'm irritated about the defense that Brett baited James. Who cares?
Cops bait drug users, prostitutes, johns, and car thieves. The public
is concerned with the individual committing the crime.
Although Brett does give James answers that he is not used to

hearing I find it interesting that the discussion between Brett and
James _really_ escalated when James mispronounced the word
"suspicious" and had to repeat himself. Good example of a common
communication problem: James had no problem talking but didn't
care if Brett heard or understood him. Excellent job with the timing
of your responses Brett.
All officers should be tested to ensure that they can speak clearly
under stressful conditions.
Power is easy to misuse wherever it is granted; from a store

manager up to the highest ranking political and military figures in
the country. The Stanford experiment showed us exactly how easy
it is for otherwise decent people to abuse power. IMO the best way
to minimize these situations is for all parties to know the others
have cameras and for none of them to have access to the other's
stored data.

I'll cut off my comments about the video there since I'm sure there
since I could go on for pages.
About the cameras...
I've transmitted home surveillance video off-site for some time.
Is anyone doing so with vehicles? I read the post about transmitting

audio via cellular and will check that out but we need off-site video.
I imagine cellular would be slow and expensive.
Wireless internet isn't going to be available across the country for

some time.
To think if James had decided to check out the camera he could

have destroyed the tape and continued to act just like the cop he
was suggesting he was. Brett could be in prison on a drug charge.
Luckily James either didn't realize what was practical or saw

complications in trying to search out multiple cameras after
impounding the car.
I understand that officers need to be aware and when things are

abnormal that their adrenaline starts to pump but an individual who
can not keep themselves calm, cool, and collected under those
circumstances should not be an officer if you ask me.
01-26-2008 10:55 PM
MGMAN I have been asked by cops where am I headed before, and I always
Senior Member tell them NO. Some cops think they have a legal right to this
information, they DO NOT. What peeves cops off when a motorist
tells them they don't wish to tell them where they are headed is
simple. Cops are always looking for a reason to suspect you. They
are taught to be suspicious, and when people tell them where they
are going this is in some cases used against them. I was told I am
ONLY REQUIRED TO GIVE A COP 3 PIECES OF INFORMATION,
DRIVERS LICENSE, REGISTRATION AND PROOF OF INSURANCE. I
don't have to even open my mouth. I also keep a key to my vehicle
in my pocket, I never leave my pickup unlocked, I had a cop try to
open my pickup once and saw it was locked. he asked me if I had
another key. I just smiled and said if you break in that vehicle your
dept will pay for the damages. He gave me an evil look but that
Georgia was as far as it went.
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As for recording, I think that with all the ways to hide a recorder
that cops should heed the warning and stop acting like jackass'es
when they stop a motorist. Well I can dream.

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01-26-2008 11:54 PM
Cybertoad This Guy is what its all about,

Senior Member protecting his right and ours.
KUDOS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Chicken straighter with my thoughts than my enemy, who is trying to kill
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COPWATCH.com Forum - You Got To Get Them On Tape
COPWATCH.com Forum > COPWATCH TOOLS AND TECHNOLOGIES > You Got To Get
Them On Tape
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nealcassady234 You Got To Get Them On Tape

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Posts: 654 YOU GOT TO GET THE COPS AND INFORMANTS ON TAPE.
--I had a lot of luck proveing illegal wiretapping and bugging and
material falsification of police reports and perjury in front of the
federal judge in pursuit of wiretap warrants by.........TAPE
RECORDING ALL TELEPHONE CONVERSATIONS.
--You must tape record all conversations to prove that the

surveillance team is useing your phone to get info on: who, what,
where, when, and why. This will show how they can put a
surveillance team in on you at parties, bars, and parks.

--The FBI and local copscum all bug and wiretap illegally on a never
ending fishing expedition which they use in their police reports
claiming the information came from a "previously reliable
informant" when it really came over the phone.
--If the FBI or local cop scum use this info in an arrest warrant,
search warrant or wiretap warrant, you can then prove illegal
eavesdropping, perjury, and falsification of a police report.
--You can set up sting operations on the cop idiots by intentionally

putting incriminating information over the phone to catch them
committing serious felonies.
--Also, remember to tape record all interactions with strangers and

informants who try to befriend you and get you to talk about crimes
related to the sting operation info you put over the phone to catch
the cop scum.
--I had good success with a pin hole spy camera in my baseball hat
to catch NATHAN GRIFFITH, JEFF BROWN, MATSON THOMAS,
STEVEN GOLDFEIN on tape harassing me and coercing me into
useing violence.
--Good luck, Thomas Sutherland Bean, Attorney at Law.
10-08-2003 09:59 PM
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YOU GOT TO GET THE COPS AND INFORMANTS ON
TAPE.
--I had good success with a pin hole spy camera
in my baseball hat...
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Can you post a detailed description of this setup?
Including the make and model of the camera and where you got it.
It'd be great if we can compile a exhaustive list of all such tools and
techniques.
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nealcassady234 I had mine custom made by an Electrical Engineer.

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I had my pinhole spy camera custom made by a friend of mine who

Registered: Oct 2003 is an Electrical Engineer who knows how to solder and read a
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You can order out of spy shops...but I didn't like the fact that you
need line of site from the camera to the reciever...because I wanted
to do countersurveillance inside bars, at parks, and any sort of
locale used in the ordinary course of living life. Therefore...you got
to wear the reciever or risk losing the signal from interference.
You can locate any Electrical Engineer to solder something together

with easily obtainable and cheap off the shelf parts. All a wireless
pin hole spy camera is....a simple group of components with two
power sources small enough to be unsuspicious.
Think of it this way..."all a video camera is...is a lens and a

recording device that talks to each other" These components can be
attached with wires.....or......attached with a wireless connection
using radio frequencies." So...a pinhole spy camera lens in your
hat...is merely away of breaking up a camera that is wearable?!
The hard part is getting your aim down while wearing the hat....for
this you got to practise with your mount. I ended up pulling my hat
way down low...so the lens would point at the informant's face.
Most people thought that "I was trying to hide behind my hat" like
some type of shy nut trying to look inconspicuous?! As it turns out...
the young college kids actually had begun a trend in which they
wore their baseball hats real low with a deep curve to the bill...so I
looked rather hip to the young kids?!
So...I had to strap the reciever to my back so I had line of site from
the lens to the reciever antennae. Remember that battery packs do
heat up...and can burn your skin...so try some type of shielding or
put the batteries on the outside away from the skin?!The units you
can buy might give you range of anywhere from 50 to 300 ft if all
conditions are perfect (meaning....no walls or obstructions are in
the way of the antennae and the signal).

If you want to know how to defeat electronic surveillance....

REMEMBER YOU MUST ALWAYS BE IN CONTROL OF THE SETTING
OR LOCALE...AND THIS LOCALE MUST BE A SITE THAT YOU DO
NOT REGULARLY USE OR VISIT. The reason why is...anybody who
knows anything about electronic surveillance technology will tell
you...."Anything and everything can go wrong with signal strength
and reception."
Planning surveillance is something that takes an expert

knowledgeable in antennaes, interference, bounce, skip, and signal
strength. Remember.....buying stuff from Spy Shops is usually junk
and most of it does not perform as well as the salesman says it
does. You can start with a lense ment to be mounted on radio
controlled airplanes....and get good reception...but if that signal has
to go through walls....FAWGHETABOUTIT MAN?!
And just a little historical note: The second breakin of The

Watergate Complex in which G.Gordon Liddy's Cuban bugging
squad was caught...........was predicated on the fact that Liddy had
problems with signal strength and interference on the initial install
of the eavesdropping devices. So...Liddy had to send the Cubans in
again...resulting in the bust that created The Watergate Scandal?!
Since E. Howard Hunt and a former CIA electronics expert were
used, and the fact the Cubans were ex CIA....this led some to
believe that The CIA actually set up Nixon and Liddy for the fall as a
coup d'etat?!
02-21-2004 09:37 PM
Ydef Re: I had mine custom made by an Electrical Engineer.

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quote:
B]
And just a little historical note: The second breakin of
The Watergate Complex in which G.Gordon Liddy's
Cuban bugging squad was caught...........was
Registered: Jun 2007 predicated on the fact that Liddy had problems with
Location: signal strength and interference on the initial install of
Posts: 6 the eavesdropping devices. So...Liddy had to send the
Cubans in again...resulting in the bust that created The
Watergate Scandal?! Since E. Howard Hunt and a
former CIA electronics expert were used, and the fact
the Cubans were ex CIA....this led some to believe that
The CIA actually set up Nixon and Liddy for the fall as a
coup d'etat?! [/B]

Too bad that CIA/NSA has technology now has eavesdropping

devices that would make the ones that had problems with
interference child's play.
10-19-2007 07:20 AM
Ydef BTW ...

Junior Member
Has anyone seen that movie "Enemy of the State" starring Will
Smith?
I had the benefit of seeing it the other day and despite the movie
being produced in 1998, 9 years ago and before 911 the plot and
its realism with regards to those in authority doing whatever they
Registered: Jun 2007 want as long as they're confident they can get away with it is
Location: completely SPOT ON.
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In the days when I was younger and ridiculously naive, for instance
if I had watched that film when it first came out, I would have
found the premises, in pre-911 times, far fetched to say the least. I
think most ignorant Americans would have thought the same. What
point would the NSA have for warrant-less wiretapping Americans
during a time of peace in the post cold war era?
But especially in consideration of this story in the Washington Post

that came out last week it's amazing how accurate the plot of the
film remains. The article reveals how the government revoked
contracts with Qwest Communications worth hundreds of millions of
dollars that were previously secured in a non-competitive, no-bid
process (gee, I wonder why?) because the CEO refused to give
them unfettered access to phone records unless they could get it
done legally.
THIS OCCURRED SIX MONTHS BEFORE 911.
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COPWATCH.com Forum > COPWATCH TOOLS AND TECHNOLOGIES > Traffic-Signal

Change Devices a Concern
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Regicide Traffic-Signal Change Devices a Concern

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Traffic-Signal Change Devices a Concern

Registered: Oct 2003 Wed Nov 5, 9:27 AM ET Add U.S. National - AP to My Yahoo!
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By TRAVIS REED, Associated Press Writer
MINNEAPOLIS - It's every motorist's fantasy to be able to make a

red traffic light turn green without so much as easing off the
accelerator. That naughty dream may now be coming true, with
perilous implications.
The very technology that has for years allowed fire trucks,
ambulances and police cars to reach emergencies faster — a
remote control that changes traffic signals — is now much cheaper
and potentially accessible to civilians.

No bigger than a dashtop radar detector, the device is known as a

mobile infrared transmitter, or MIRT, and can be had for about
$300. The possibility of its proliferation is unnerving public safety
and transportation officials.
"It has the potential to be a huge problem," said Steve Misgen, a

Minnesota Department of Transportation signal operations engineer.
MIRTs are the triggers in so-called "traffic pre-emption systems,"

which are comprised of two parts: a receiving device mounted on a
stoplight and an infrared transmitter normally placed in emergency
vehicles that has a range of about 1,500 feet.
The technology has been used for about three decades and is
widely deployed. A U.S. Department of Transportation survey of the
nation's 78 largest metropolitan areas last year found them at
about 26,500 intersections across the nation.
A cheaper MIRT available since January from FAC of America, which

is based in Fridley, Minn., costs less than half the previous price of
other devices that go from $650 to $1,000.
The company's president, Tim Gow, insists he has strict safeguards

against MIRTs falling into unauthorized hands and that its
affordability helps public safety officials with tight budgets.
"We get requests from individuals, but the answer is no," he said.
"This is a lifesaving piece of equipment."
So far, law enforcement agencies report no problems from the

devices. But traffic engineers and some politicians are concerned,
and a check of eBay found some of the cheaper devices for sale on
the Internet.
Last month, they caught the eye of a committee of traffic engineers

from the Minnesota Department of Transportation and communities
around the Twin Cities. Though many cities and states have laws
against interfering with traffic lights, Misgen said the committee
likely would recommend that the state legislature specifically outlaw
the devices for unauthorized users.
In Michigan, a state legislator has promised legislation to make the

devices illegal.
Gow, an electrical designer, has been in business for about 20

years. He said his company would sue any unauthorized person
who uses its devices.

But a handful of MIRTs were being offered for sale on eBay when
The Associated Press checked Monday. And kits for building similar
devices are also available online.
One of the eBay sellers first indicated the device could be sold to
anyone. However, in response to a follow-up query, the person said
it would be sold only to authorized users. The seller declined an
interview.
The primary makers of traffic pre-emption systems, 3M Co. and

Tomar Electronics Inc., offer encryption technology that can lock
out unauthorized devices — but it is far more expensive than
systems that operate in the clear.
Systems that offer encryption run roughly $2,500 per unit higher
than those that don't — a considerable expense for any cash-
strapped municipality if it was forced to retrofit traffic signals.
It's not clear just how many cities have the encryptable devices.
The Institute of Transportation Engineers in Washington, D.C., said
there's no way to tell, and a 3M spokeswoman wouldn't comment
on how many cities bought devices before encryption was available.
If transport officials became locked in a technology arms race with

infrared transmitter outlaws, the costs could be high. Most major
cities don't put pre-emption devices at every intersection, but there
are plenty: Minneapolis, for example, has about 900 traffic lights, of
which city traffic officials say about 40 percent are pre-empted.
Misgen, the state engineer, said only a handful of the 640 traffic
lights he oversees in the Twin Cities area are fitted with the module
that allows encryption.
"This might be a huge expense for cities, counties and states," he

said.
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Tim Gow. president of FAC of America, holds the MIRT (mobile
infrared transmitter) Monday, Nov. 3, 2003, in Fridley, Minn. The
device is a cheaper means for police and emergency vehicle which
allows them to change traffic lights to get to emergencies faster,
costing $300 compared with $650 to $1000 for other devices. It is
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Units that overide any possible encryption can be built for about
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And they work very nicely, I might add...
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Here is the parts list and prices:
(2) 100K Resistors R2 & R4 660-CF1/2L104J $0.05

1K Resistor R3 660-CF1/2L102J $0.05
Controller ICNE555 IC1 512-LM555CM $0.33
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The Chief Be smart and don't use it. You not only run the risk of legal
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homicide since the device is illegal. I'm pretty sure you all have
better things to do with the next 10-20 years of your life. Take the
extra 15seconds, and wait at the light
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L.E. Hero Hey Chief, what about the guys with the tinted license plate covers?
Senior Member You can't read the tags from the traffic cams.
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Hey Chief, what about the guys with the tinted
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So true LE. I give them a 1 day on those. Get it fixed, and pay the
fine.
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Invisible and it works like a charm!
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Thanks for posting the link on the phantomplate spray Al. It really
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ccc You cop haters are dumber than cops. Even a cop knows if you
Junior Member didn't commit crime then you would not have any hassles. Traffic
law is there for everyones safety. Yet you wankers want to disobey
Registered: Apr 2006 it and then winge when you get caught.
Location:
Posts: 4 If you are not happy with the laws, get into your parliament and
change them.
If your not happy with your cops, then become a cop yourself and
make a change. But......
I guess all of you are just unemployed, neo nazis that are really
closet poofs that rather winge like a little school girl than have a
job.........
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Even a cop knows if you didn't commit crime
then you would not have any hassles.
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SJ01 quote:
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You cop haters are dumber than cops.
I'll bet my IQ is about 10 points higher than yours. Wanna get it

tested?
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Originally posted by ccc Even a cop knows if you
didn't commit crime then you would not have any
hassles.

Right, because people who aren't criminals are less likely to resist
violently, which makes the job oh so much easier.
quote:
Originally posted by ccc Traffic law is there for

everyones safety. Yet you wankers want to
disobey it and then winge when you get caught.
Traffic laws only seem to be enforced at the convenience of the

police. Ever notice that they seem to pull over a lot more black
guys than white ones? I've even heard stories of cops letting white
speeders barrel past and then arresting the first black guy they see,
regardless of whether he's speeding or not.
By the way, I'm white, and I have never in my life been pulled over
for a traffic violation.
quote:
Originally posted by ccc If you are not happy with

the laws, get into your parliament and change
them.
Parliment? Isn't that British? Are we back in the times of colonial

totalitarianism again? Should I expect to see redcoats at my door
any second?
quote:
Originally posted by ccc If your not happy with your

cops, then become a cop yourself and make a
change.
Umm....no....I don't think so. I'd rather not get fired for having
some resemblence of a consience.
quote:
Originally posted by ccc I guess all of you are just

unemployed, neo nazis that are really closet poofs

that rather winge like a little school girl than have

a job.........
1) I am not a nazi, sir. I resent that deeply!
2) If you're calling me gay, go ahead. I'm bisexual.
3) What is your obsession with the word "winge"??
4) You obviously have WAY too much time on your hands.
07-25-2006 12:07 PM
Cousin Eddie I looked into this a while back. I was considering making one from
Junior Member an old instructables.com page.
Registered: Oct 2007 Its true cops DO look for them (so if one was to use one... you
Location: Kansas City. MO would have to disquise it somehow or build it into your dash/behind
Posts: 25 your sunvisor..... so a cop wouldnt notice it during a traffic stop or
while driving next to your car.
ALSO!..... be warned that I have heard that redlight cameras can

capture the beam (the mrt makes) on tape.
Also it doesnt work on all traffic light systems (that's what kept me
from making one).
I remember when these first hit the internet rounds.... they were
sold on ebay! lol
Would be cool to have one as I work nights & come home early in
the morning when there is hardly any traffic & some lights are
SLOW AS HELL to change!
edit: WOW this is a really old thread! I should check the date before
I reply !
10-16-2007 07:55 AM

Ydef quote:
Junior Member
[B]You cop haters are dumber than cops. Even a cop
knows if you didn't commit crime then you would not
have any hassles. [b]/quote]
This guy is obviously an idiot and this sentence speaks

for itself. As a minority in the US of A, I have been
Location: pulled over multiple times for seemingly no probably
Posts: 6 cause at all, or even worse, the most trivial of reasons
like going 4mph over the speed limit. Most of the time,
they'll ask if I've been drinking, which I respond that
no, I don't drink. At which point I'm let go but not
before coming up with some inane story like how my
brake lights didn't seem to be working which is why I
was pulled over.
And there was one time where I was actually told that
I'm going to jail so to get out of the car with a gun
pointed to my head for an act that anyone else would
be given a speeding ticket and allowed to move on, as I
eventually was after being put the humiliation of arrest,
spending three nights in on a 3 day weekend before
allowed to see the judge, and having to return to court
twice to deal with the whole mess that I prefer not to
get into any further for the horrible memories it brings
to mind for me.
[quote]
If you are not happy with the laws, get into your
parliament and change them.
No thanks, I would rather not be the target of harrassment and my

life ruined for breaking the bluewall of silence (or whatever they call
it) as has happened in so many documented cases in the USA when
it comes to whistleblowsers.
You sound like you're from Canada or Britain talking about

parliament and such (although Iceland or Norway are not
completely out of the question), so I'm not sure you necessarily
have to deal with the type of police state mentality cops we have in
the USA. In Canada the laws are so lenient (compared with the
states) that maybe the smaller stick makes for a smaller
percentage of rogue agents although I've heard my share of stories
of the Royal Mountain Police. In Britain they don't carry guns, which
does seem to have an immediate subconscious psychological impact
of a person's immediate ability to control another. This is all idle
speculation of course that may or may not have any accuracy at all,
but in attempt to give the benefit of the doubt, I'm only trying to

justify why this seeming imbecile thinks they way he does.
As far as the devices go, I personally don't have any desire to have
a device in my car that would give ***s any more reason to f**k
with me than they already do. Kind of like speed radar detectors,
they seem to be much more inclined to come down on you like the
wrath of cain should they find you in posession of one while being
pulled over, although it's never happened to me never having
owned a radar detector I've heard plenty enough to discourage my
ownership of one.
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Maxima I've found something to keep the police from illegally searching your car
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http://www.smokemachines.net/buy-ca...ty-system.shtml
Video: http://www.smokemachines.net/data/p...hicle_smoke.mpg
This should keep those bastard cops from searching your car.
It's kinda pricy, I could probably make something similar. Maybe

add a nice air horn blast inside the cabin and have the smoke go off
about 10 seconds into the search.
Registered: Mar 2007

Location: St. Louis, MO
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06-28-2007 06:42 PM
ZoeJane Re: I've found something to keep the police from illegally searching your
Senior Member car
Registered: Jun 2007 quote:

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Originally posted by Maxima
It's kinda pricy, I could probably make something
similar. Maybe add a nice air horn blast inside the cabin
and have the smoke go off about 10 seconds into the
search.
And you can name your invention 'Smoked Pork'
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Maxima Re: Re: I've found something to keep the police from illegally searching
Moderator your car
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Originally posted by ZoeJane

And you can name your invention 'Smoked Pork'
Registered: Mar 2007 LMFAO

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06-28-2007 08:17 PM
Mack I wonder if pepper spray would harm the upholstery? It would

Assistant Moderator certainly mess up any drug-sniffing dogs they had.
On the other hand, I bet they would tear the car apart after the
smoke cleared.
They often do it anyway, and this would be sure to piss them off.
Perhaps there'd be a way to use this type of info effectively:

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http://technocrat.net/d/2007/5/26/20545
Back in the day when I followed the Grateful Dead I
used to hear stories about how the DEA and police were
terrified of busting some of the people selling LSD
because if they came in while they were putting the
LSD on the blotter paper there was a high probability
that they would have the mixture thrown on them. That
wouldn't be so bad except they use DMSO to spread
the LSD evenly through the paper and DMSO will carry

LSD through the skin very quickly and efficiently. So in

effect the cops would get "dosed" and usually enough
to give them forced retirement(and probably a dazed
look on their faces for the rest of their lives).
Then there's the story of my old manager who used to

do cocaine with his friend by mixing it with DMSO and
then dipping their fingers in it. One day after doing the
coke, he went home and got a call from the guy's
mother. Apparently the guy had decided to wash dishes
and put chlorine bleach in the water, the chlorine got
carried into the guy's blood stream and he died there
washing dishes.
The point is, DMSO is legal, cheap and easy to find
I think I've heard apocryphal stories of drugs/bad things being

absorbed through the skin after being applied with DMSO to objects
such as door handles. I don't know if it's true. And it would be
difficult for me to remember what not to touch.
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adz Re: I've found something to keep the police from illegally searching your
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quote:
Registered: Sep 2007 Originally posted by Maxima

Location: Near Yosemite, http://www.smokemachines.net/buy-ca...ty-
central California system.shtml
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In light of your video, you should post up a thread showing your in-
car camera system for newbies like me!
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09-11-2007 04:42 PM
Cousin Eddie lol Nice!

Junior Member
An idea came to mind while thinking of more practical (cheaper)
Registered: Oct 2007 alternatives. A car alarm that is set up with multiple high decibel
Location: Kansas City. MO sirens (at least 4 ) set up in different locations INSIDE the vehicle.
Posts: 25 Set to go off if you leave your vehicle unattended with a door open
for over a minute.
I know of some people who put multiple alarm sirens inside their
vehicle to guard against a thief breaking into their car & staying too
long.
10-15-2007 11:07 PM

ATFOTRAF quote:
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Originally posted by Cousin Eddie
Registered: Jul 2007 An idea came to mind while thinking of more

Location: practical (cheaper) alternatives. A car alarm that
Posts: 90 is set up with multiple high decibel sirens (at
least 4 ) set up in different locations INSIDE the
vehicle. Set to go off if you leave your vehicle
unattended with a door open for over a minute.
This is a great idea!!
This would be something that would drive them crazy before they
figured it out.
A real trick on this would be to have it wired to an extra car battery

tucked away in the trunk.
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10-16-2007 12:16 AM
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Junior Member
Originally posted by ATFOTRAF
Registered: Oct 2007 This is a great idea!!
Posts: 25 This would be something that would drive them
crazy before they figured it out.
A real trick on this would be to have it wired to an

extra car battery tucked away in the trunk.
Agreed, but I am sure the police could find a law (if not a bunch of
them) to charge you with if anyone did this.

Typically this kind of setup is used with car audio enthusiasts who
want to keep thieves from stealing their car or car audio equipment.
Affixing razzor blades concealed along the edges of audio
equipment (like car stereo head unit) is another tactic, though
highly illegal.
10-16-2007 07:04 AM
Maxima quote:
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Originally posted by Cousin Eddie
Agreed, but I am sure the police could find a law
(if not a bunch of them) to charge you with if
anyone did this.
Typically this kind of setup is used with car audio

enthusiasts who want to keep thieves from
stealing their car or car audio equipment. Affixing
razzor blades concealed along the edges of audio
equipment (like car stereo head unit) is another
Registered: Mar 2007 tactic, though highly illegal.
Posts: 360
I agree. They could probably charge you with peace disturbance

and maybe assault on a police officer (it seems like they can charge
you with this for looking at them wrong nowadays).
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Originally posted by Maxima
Registered: Oct 2007 (it seems like they can charge you with this for looking
Location: Kansas City. MO at them wrong nowadays).
Posts: 25
And THAT is what I hate about the power police have at their
descetion..... descretion to find any law they can to vindictively
charge you with. To throw the book at you as it were.
I hate the whole idea that if you tap a cop on the shoulder to get
his attention.... you could be charged with assault if he so
wanted.... and odds are his fellow cops, police chief & DA would
back him up. And if a citizen even attempted to to the same (not
neccessarily involving a cop, but another citizen)..... you would be
laughed at by the powers that be.
The whole idea that ANY unwanted physical contact with another
person (be it a tap on the shoulder etc. etc.) could be technically
considered assault is an absurd notion IMO. But it is only taken
seriously when it is the cop who was touched & presses charges.
10-17-2007 05:53 AM
Ydef Nah ...

Junior Member
Doesn't seem pratical for maximum retribution.
I'd much have a covert cam that can be used to sue the city and
get the rouge predator fired (or worse, considering the extent of his
abuse) that's using his position to intentionally f**k with me. I
would be more satisfying to me to have justice served on those that
Registered: Jun 2007 think they're immune from it.
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dr pepper Tracking
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Are you using exit tracking? It is messing my computer up.

Registered: Jun 2006 This is probably a cop site, isn't it?
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06-26-2006 12:04 PM

Mack WTF is "exit tracking"?

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You are probably a cop, right?
Look out your window: you might be able to see one of us

crouching behind the car across the street from you.
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dr pepper No, I don't have a street around me--I am suspicious though.

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exit tracking is a tag or cookie that attaches to a persons identifier
Registered: Jun 2006 and lets you know where they go from your site.
Location: My computer keeps pulling up a blank page over the webpage I am
Posts: 138 on, and the url is exittracking something or another and my
computer freezes up.
06-27-2006 01:09 AM
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NSA IS WATCHING YOU!!!!!HAHAHAHAHA
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06-27-2006 01:44 AM

GC Marciano Putting a couple more layers of aluminum foil inside your hat
Copwatcher Extraordinaire will fix the problem. And remember to keep your television
turned off. The government watches you through it.
If the above suggestions don't work, try running an adware/

spyware removal program on your PC such as Lavasoft's Ad-
Aware (download free version HERE) to remove the
accumulated adware that is responsible for the problems you
are experiencing.

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see one of us crouching behind the car across
the street from you.
He can't see out the windows... the magnetic force field that
surrounds his house protecting him from alien mind-control rays
distorts vision and is hard to see through.
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suspectzero Now come on, he has a good point about tracking. Remember a
Member whole lot of folks come her after being harassed by police or their
goon squads so paranoia is a normal state for a large percentage of
Registered: Sep 2007 this sites patrons, along with rage and anger from being harassed
Location: or abused by LE.
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It would be a great site for LE to front as a means to setup or
monitor those that they missed the first time around.
Always question those in charge.
10-17-2007 01:16 AM
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Copwatcher Extraordinaire result of spyware on his computer, not on the Copwatch site.
exittracking.com is one of many annoying pop-up spyware/

adware programs that can be inadvertantly installed on a users
computer.
If you see pop-ups from exittracking.com, your machine is most

likely infected with one or more of the following also: smashits,
co-search, heavy.com, manage-search, supercoupon, zedo,
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A good spyware remover will usually get rid of the problem(s).
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thing
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Easy DashCam thing

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Hello, I am brand new here but havve been a fan of Cop Watch for
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awhile, and Signed up for the forums after a link from Radley
Posts: N/A Balko's blog The Agitator
One of the videos got me to thinking, I have designed several more

permanent dash mounts for cameras, but they all involve either
drilling or gluing something to your dash.
I came across the StickyPod camera mount today, they have a

bunch of different suction cup based camera mounts, including a
dash one for like $99. You could go DIY with plywood (or something
more like theirs if you work with metal)
Just thought you guys might be interested.

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Thanks and welcome to Copwatch!
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CC Rider Here is a nice starter kit for $79 - only thing you need then is an
GOT FREE SPEECH? inverter to power the unit or charge batteries and a mini DV
recorder!
The key is getting one that also faces the rear of the vehicle - the
Registered: Mar 2007 first thing most officers request is for you to come to the back of
Location: Behind You your vehicle or the front of theirs! If you have a dual set-up you can
Posts: 1060 capture the front and back pretty well.
The front view like Maxima's needs to have the speed, blinkers etc
in clear view.
http://www.stickypod.com/original_details.html
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There are a bunch of DIY options for mounts and rigs.

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09-11-2007 11:33 PM
Mack Welcome to Copwatch, XaqFixx! Thanks for alerting us to these

Assistant Moderator mounting systems. Looks like a great idea.
quote:
Originally posted by XaqFixx

There are a bunch of DIY options for mounts and
rigs.
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vjustice That's only helpful if you actually have a DashCam. I've been
Junior Member looking and looking...where can I find one?
Registered: Sep 2007 How much do they generally cost?

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Originally posted by vjustice
Registered: Not Yet That's only helpful if you actually have a
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Nope... these are for just your regular video cameras, not for a
several thousand dollar DashCam system.
09-14-2007 02:22 PM

Mack Anyone have any info on the type of camera setup for SCCA, rally,
Assistant Moderator and track use? Evidently, it's much like the setup used by Maxima:
showing your dashboard and the roadway in front of you.
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Location: for SCCA, rally, and track use? Evidently, it's
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much like the setup used by Maxima: showing
your dashboard and the roadway in front of you.
Race Optics $250-$850

Solo Performance Just Mounts $40-$105 (cool headrest mount for
$50)
http://www.soloperformance.com/ProductImages//cone%20cam/
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alfonso2501 What about the type cameras undercover narcotics cops use in their
Junior Member vehicles during buy-&-bust? Anyone have any links for those?
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tyrantobserver Looking for a digital scanner

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This one sounds good:

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What extras should I get to maximize my range?
Suggestions?
09-11-2007 12:11 AM

GC Marciano If you plan on using the scanner in your home, I highly

Copwatcher Extraordinaire recommend a base scanner antenna.
The Scantenna is an excellent base (outdoor) antenna and can

be purchased for around $50.00.
As the BCD396T is a handheld (portable) unit, it comes with a

small antenna which works fine for outdoors and close
communications, but inside a house or vehicle it will definitely
be lacking in receive sensitivity.
Location: Chicago, Illinois Here is a photo of my antenna tower (I realize it is a bit overkill
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mounted on the left side near the top.
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GC Marciano Thanks!
More pictures can be found in the thread linked below:
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I will update the thread with new pics soon.
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GC Marciano Here is a close-up photo of a Scantenna scanner antenna

Copwatcher Extraordinaire installed on a 10' mast.
$56.00 shipped with 50' coax cable included:

http://www.antennawarehouse.com/Scanner/Scantenna.htm
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GC Marciano Here are the two most highly-recommended digital (APCO 25)
Copwatcher Extraordinaire scanners available.
The features between the two are comparable and pricing is

similar, the biggest choice is handheld/portable or mobile/base.
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Here are the two most highly-recommended
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GC Marciano If you can find one new under $400.00, it's a bargain.
Most are currently going between $400 - $500.00
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Residents given video cameras to monitor

cops
ACLU hands them out for free in St. Louis after
complaints of misconduct
Updated: 9:21 p.m. CT June 20, 2007
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19340005/
Posts: 9967 ST. LOUIS - The American Civil Liberties Union launched a
program Wednesday to give free video cameras to some
residents of high-crime neighborhoods to help them monitor
police after years of misconduct complaints.

The ACLU of Eastern Missouri began working on the project last

year after television crews broadcast video of officers punching
and kicking a suspect who led police on a car chase.
"The idea here is to level the playing field, so it's not just your
word against the police's word," said Brenda Jones, executive
director of the ACLU chapter.
The ACLU has given cameras and training to about 10 residents

in north St. Louis, a high-crime, low-income part of the city that
members said is plagued by police misconduct. The group hopes
to expand the program to 50 to 100 residents.
Police spokesman Richard Wilkes declined to comment when

asked how the program might affect police relations with the
public.
"We don't have any opinions or feelings about it one way or

another," Wilkes said. "Hopefully it records positive interactions
between the police and the community."
Former police Sgt. K.L. Williams is overseeing the training,

teaching residents how to videotape officers from a safe
distance without interrupting arrests or searches.
"The citizens are not there to interfere with any police

contacts," Williams said.
ACLU spokesman Redditt Hudson said the program will also

include free workshops to teach residents about their rights
when approached by police.
Project organizers have worked closely with police to make sure

they are aware of the program's goals, Jones said.
The ACLU declined to release the names of people participating

in the video monitoring.
Police conduct was highlighted in January 2006, when Edmon

Burns was arrested after officers in suburban Maplewood
noticed a man in a van acting suspiciously. They pursued him
into St. Louis as the chase was broadcast live on television. It
was not clear from the video whether Burns resisted officers.
Three of the officers were from Maplewood, and one was from
the St. Louis Police Department.
Burns, 33, had a long criminal record. He was treated at a

hospital and released.
The FBI investigated and handed the case over to the Justice
Department, which concluded last month that there was
insufficient evidence to charge the officers with violating civil-
rights laws. Prosecutors said their decision was not an
exoneration of the officers.

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Maxima They've been talking about this forever. The ACLU in the St. Louis
Moderator area (only place I can speak for) is basically a waste IMO. They do
things so slow. I contacted them once and it took them over 6
months to reply to me.
As for the incident that started all this. IMO, the police weren't as
out of line as it was made out to be. The guy tried running them
over with the car and still resisted when they were trying to cuff
him. If you give the police a reason like that, you can sleep in your
own bed. It was made a big deal since the suspect was black and 2
out of the 3 cops were white. It became another political stand with
all the anti-white groups yelling abuse.
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because if things like this are made into police brutality, it makes
the public discredit real claims.
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We're looking for a few resident experts on the use of

scanning devices. As this article mentions, many police
departments are switching to trunked-radio systems,
intentionally making it more difficult for the public to
monitor their transmissions. Please recruit any scanner
afficianados of your acquaintance to visit this Forum and
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Scanners' drone is music to ears of these 'freeks'
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...scanner04m.html

By Mary Spicuzza
Seattle Times staff reporter
He's listening in his sleep.

He listens while cooking dinner, watching television and working in
his garage.
And thanks to careful planning, Brian Preston was able to use one
of his nearly 40 radio scanners to pick up his favorite channels on a
recent family road trip to Long Beach, Pacific County, and Oregon.
Friends from his Internet-scanner talk groups sent lists of coastal

frequencies, which Preston programmed in before leaving.
"I can just set a scanner in there (his car's hands-free scanner
holder), screw on the car antenna, plug it into the cigarette lighter
and away you go," he said.
Preston, a 35-year-old Moses Lake resident, is part of a nationwide

community of scanner listeners who regularly tune in to law
enforcement, fire, rescue, airport and even auto-racing pit-crew
channels. Some within the subculture call themselves "scanner
freeks" (named after the search for frequencies) or "scanner
junkies."
But Preston says listening to the nation's radio waves isn't just for
oddballs and the nerdy "pocket-protector crowd." He says it's a
"wonderful hobby" for people who are curious about what's going
on around them.
Preston prefers listening to police, fire and emergency channels.

But there are countless types of scanner listeners.
Some are aspiring pilots who tune in to conversations between air

traffic controllers and planes; others like tracking crews fighting
wildfires or listening to emergency personnel.
For many who tune into police and fire channels, their
fascination with scanners also involves a race to keep up
with ever-improving technology used by those agencies.
Some scanner fans say law enforcement is trying to restrict

access to everyday transmissions. But those in law
enforcement, while saying they have nothing to hide, also
speak of balancing the public's right to know with public
safety.
Scanner resources
Uniden America Corporation www.uniden.com/
Manufactures and sells the country's most popular radio scanners
West Coast Scanner Frequencies

cascanning.tr****.com/
Lists frequencies for counties in Washington
Yahoo! Groups:
1. PNWSE · Pacific Northwest Scanner Enthusiasts
This group is new and relatively small compared to other scanner

talk groups
2. LiveScannerAudio-Live Police & Emergency Scanners online
Yakima Scanner "Live" www.dougberndt.com/scanner.htm
A tour of Preston's home shows that he, not to mention his wife and
four kids, rarely misses what's happening on local airwaves.
A handheld scanner positioned near his front door searches

10 local police, fire, sheriff's and emergency channels, as well
as nearby airport and two-way radio communications. Preston
keeps two other scanners in his living room next to the couch.
There's a handheld scanner broadcasting from his kitchen

windowsill. Aging scanners and two-way radios cover his dining-
room table.
In his bedroom, a pair of desktop scanners on his nightstand

endlessly emit chatter.
Together with Preston's beloved country music, which he also plays

through the night, the scanners fill the room with a perpetual
symphony that is part chaos, part white-noise.
"I have these two on all night long while I'm sleeping," Preston
said, gazing down at his bedside broadcast unit. "The noise doesn't
even bother me. It bothers my wife, though."
Preston says he can't sleep in total silence and hates pitch-black

darkness, and his humming scanners with their glowing backlights
soothe him. In his back yard, there's a scanner and speaker
mounted to the garage.
Eight antennas emerge from the roof of the Prestons' home, which
he calls his "antenna farm."
True aficionado
Preston is a typical scanner "aficionado," says Rich Barnett, editor

of Police Call frequency guide.
"Scanners are really a unique product," said Barnett, whose book

celebrated its 40th anniversary this year. "A lot of customers just
like to listen, but they're aficionados."

Barnett says many listeners who start as children develop a deep

respect for law enforcement and radio, and may become officers or
go into broadcasting.
He says listeners are often curious people who care about their
neighborhoods and public safety.
Scanner sales surged after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and during
Level Orange terror alerts, according to Paul Opitz of Uniden
America, a leading scanner company.
But Barnett says the hobby has declined, as a whole, over the past
five years as more people use the Internet to monitor local events.
Nobody seems to know for sure how many people are listening.
Opitz estimates a half-million scanners are sold each year. And
traffic on scanner Web sites and Internet talk groups, as well as
sales of scanner publications, indicate there are hundreds of
thousands of people monitoring the airwaves.
Local law-enforcement officers say they don't have a

problem with most listeners.
But "the Catch 22 is if good, hard-working citizens are

listening, then criminals who want to prey on them can be
listening, too," Seattle Police Department spokesman Duane
Fish said.
Fish says that in the mid-1990s, when his department

switched to a new 800 megahertz trunked-radio system —
which allows multiple stations and agencies to use the same
radio channels — his department wasn't trying to block out
the public.
But he acknowledges the complicated system is more

difficult for scanner listeners to navigate.
Strict laws govern people monitoring the airwaves. According to the

Communications Act of 1934, as amended by the Electronic
Communications Privacy Act of 1986, scanning is legal if it isn't
used to commit crimes or for personal gain.
Intentionally listening to encrypted transmissions or mobile

telephone calls is also a federal crime.
Some scanner fans think law enforcement is trying to block

everyday radio transmissions. One Renton-based listener,
Lois (who asked that her last name not be used), says law
enforcement is making her hobby "impossible."
Lois, who often calls The Seattle Times with news tips she
has heard on her scanner, says the region's complicated
trunked-radio system limits the frequencies she can get and
scrambles the few she can still hear.

Sgt. Kevin Fagerstrom, a King County Sheriff's Office

spokesman, says avid listeners and those in the news media
can cause trouble when they show up at crime scenes and
get in the way, or if people drive to accident scenes to be
"lookie-loos."
"We know that we're being monitored, and it's just a fact of
life," he said. "We don't do anything to disguise ourselves."
Duane Anderson, author of Oregon Scanner Guides and an avid

listener in Bend, Ore., said he serves as a watchdog for his
community.
He once helped officers find a drunken driver who passed him on

the road, he said, because he was listening to his car's scanner and
heard police looking for the man in the wrong part of town.
"To me, that's what it's all about. Helping out," Anderson, 35, said.
"Whether it's a drunk driver, a missing child, or a wildfire."
Many describe scanner listening as more than a hobby. "It's not a

job. It's an avocation, it's a way of life," said Mike McKenna, a
professional scanner programmer. "Other people don't understand
that communication can solve a lot of problems. It can better our
lives."
McKenna, 54, says obnoxious "scanner freeks," whom he calls the

"paparazzi of scanners," and criminals who try to abuse the
equipment shouldn't ruin the image of listeners who want to be
"responsible citizens, not nosy neighbors."
Brian Preston says his co-workers at the Wilbur-Ellis Co. chemical

warehouse appreciate that anytime they hear sirens close by, he
can go to his car and tell them what's happening.
"Everybody who knows me knows I'm just a bit eccentric," he said.

"There's just so much going on all the time, it's relaxing to hear
what's happening around me."
Preston, who completed a citizen sheriff's academy last year, might

consider law enforcement — if he ever leaves his job as a manager
at Wilbur-Ellis. Now, he just has to convince his family to keep
tolerating his habit.
"They're always noisy," his 5-year-old daughter, Callie, said of the

scanners. "Dad turns them on when we're sleeping even!"
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GC Marciano 800 MHz Trunked radio systems can be easily monitored using a
Copwatcher Extraordinaire TrunkTracker scanner made by Uniden and sold under both the
Uniden and Radio Shack names. I own a RS PRO-95, RS PRO-
91, RS PRO-92 and a mobile PRO-2067. I highly recomend the
new Pro-95 handheld, as it has superior receive sensitivity in
the 800 MHz band. This unit is available from Radio Shack for
approximately $200, I have also found several on ebay for
between $100 - $150.
If you do not own a TrunkTracker scanner, a conventional

Registered: Jul 2003 receiver will work. Simply lock out all other channels and then
program the series of 800 MHz frequencies into the scanner, On
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one of the frequencies you will hear a constant data
transmission, this is the Trunking Repeaters control channel.
This channel must be locked out. The control channel changes
regularly, depending on the system it may be every 6 hours,
every day or once every two days. Be sure to unlock the old
control channel when locking out the new one, otherwise you
will miss all traffic that is transmitted on the locked out channel.
800 MHz Trunking information (frequencies, codes, etc) can

usually be obtained on the internet. One good source is www.
cityfreq.com, this site contains information for all 50 states.
Many other online resourses are also available. If you cannot
find the trunking frequencies for your area, email me at a.
shemonia@neinlaw.com and I will get them for you.
Many states have outlawed the use of scanning receivers unless

you are a firefighter or police officer. FCC Licensed Amateur
Radio operators are exempt from this law. Check your local laws
regarding scanner use before using one in public.
I am an FCC licensed Amateur Radio Technician. Any further

questions regarding scanner use, frequencies or other radio-
related issues do not hesitate to contact me at gc505xxx@msn.
com, I'll do what I can to help.
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GC Marciano Make your pro-93, pro-95 and pro-2053 scanner recieve what
Copwatcher Extraordinaire they don't want you to hear! Open your receive from 17mhz
thru 1300mhz.
www.scanhack.com
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dr pepper I thought the 800mhz were blocked out of scanners and only old
Senior Member scanners would receive 800 through 900. That is what cell phones
were on, the 800mhz. And I was under the impression it was not
Registered: Jun 2006 illegal to listen to phone calls, but it was illegal to tell what you
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oops, I have an old modified REalistic PRO37 that used to pick up
800mhz channels--then all of a sudden it just quit and won't pick up
anything. Then I have the Uniden Bearcat30 channel scanner, and I
hear the cops fine on it.
The coolest thing is my friend hears her neighbors phone calls on

her (my friend's) scanner. It does get her neighbor in hot water too
when my friend jumps on her and tells her to shut her gossip
and repeats to her everything she has been saying about my friend.
06-25-2006 03:34 AM
GC Marciano The 800 MHz cellular band that is illegal to receive is 824.04
Copwatcher Extraordinaire MHz to 848.97MHz and 869.04 MHz to 893.97 MHz. The rest of
the 800 MHz band is used for voice/data communications and
can be monitored.
Public Service Trunking systems operate primarily in the upper

850's through the lower 860 MHz.
While illegal to monitor, the 46-49 MHz and lower 900 MHz
cordless telephone bands have not yet been blocked from
Registered: Jul 2003 scanners and conversations can easily be overheard.
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Net map services spark stalking fears

http://cnn.technology.printthis.cli...&partnerID=2016
(AP) --Serial killer Maury Travis used an online mapping service to

show a newspaper reporter where he dumped a body. A former Las
Vegas exotic dancer convicted of stalking and harassing her ex-
lover posted a map on the Web with directions to the married man's
Registered: Jul 2003 home.
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Internet mapping services are powerful and simple: Type a phone
number into Google or other sites for a map with door-to-door
directions. Finding someone has never been easier.
Now those resources are provoking a backlash. Spooked people

worried about stalkers or worse are striking their particulars from

phone and Internet listings.
Count Sonjia Kenya among them.
The 30-year-old is no stranger to the Internet but was stunned

recently to learn how easy it is to go online and get directions to
her front door. All it takes is her phone number.
"I was appalled and petrified as a single woman living in New York,"
Kenya said. She vows never again to give her phone number to
potential suitors.
Many home addresses are attainable through a variety of public

records and telephone listings. As well, reverse directories that let
someone look up an address by phone number have been available
at libraries or for sale commercially for years.
But many Internet sites that gather that kind of data now make it
possible for fast, do-it-yourself desktop sleuthing, some for free and
some for a fee.
Search engine provider Google Inc. added a phone number-map

lookup feature more than two years ago.
There's also FindPeople.com, WhitePages.com and Switchboard.

com, among others. If the sites don't have a direct link to a map,
users can go on their own to such free sites as Yahoo! Maps,
MapQuest, or Microsoft Corp.'s MapPoint. Tens of millions of people
use those mapping services each month to help them get places.
Navigation Technologies Corp., which supplies the digital roadmaps

used by those Web sites, has seen revenue more than double in
three years, to $165.8 million in 2002. It is expected to top $200
million this year.
The Internet features are convenient tools for everyone, whether to

look up a long lost friend or relative -- or with malicious intent.
Earlier this month, Steven Sutcliffe of Manchester, New Hampshire,
who had been fired by Global Crossing Ltd., was convicted of
identity theft and use of the Internet to threaten company
executives. He had created a Web site that included employees'
Social Security numbers and maps to some of their homes.
Sutcliffe, who represented himself during the final weeks of trial,
had told the jury he "was just publishing information."
An animal rights group, Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty, has

posted on its Web site point-and-click map listings, including the
home addresses of executives and affiliates of England's
Huntingdon Life Sciences Ltd. The tactic is legal under free-speech
laws but has coincided with a rise in protests outside the homes of
people connected to Huntingdon, prompting dozens of firms to
sever their ties with the research lab.

By all accounts, however, the popularity of Internet maps has more

to do with benefits than sinister uses.
Online maps and driving directions have become a must-have for

business Web sites as more consumers treat the Internet as an
information appliance, said Lee Rainie, director of the Pew Internet
and American Life Project.
"For a lot of people now, especially those with broadband

connections, the first place they go to for information is online,"
Rainie said. "But people are still warming up to the idea that lots of
information about them is online."
In a 2002 survey, Pew found that one in four Internet users have
typed their own names into a search engine to see what information
about them is on the Web. And a quarter of those people were
surprised by how much data about them was online, Rainie said.
Privacy concerns have led a "small number" of people to request

removal from the Google phone number-mapping feature, said
Google spokesman David Krane. He would not say how many have
done so.
After Kenya got an e-mail alerting her to the feature, she

immediately filled out the Google form to get delisted.
But then Kenya turned around and used the same tool and other
online features to check on a man who had asked her out.
"I'm upset that it intrudes my privacy," said Kenya. "But at the

same time, I'm trying to get as much information as I can from the
Internet."
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Agencies must weigh public interest vs. potential harm
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=689460
Location: By AMY RINARD
Posts: 31403
arinard@journalsentinel.com
Posted: Nov. 23, 2007
Police departments must weigh the public interest in deciding

whether to release their records and cannot simply deny access to
information by saying a matter is under investigation or has been
referred to prosecutors, the state attorney general's office said in a
new opinion.

The opinion was in response to a letter from Dean Collins, assistant

police chief in Brookfield.
In her opinion, Assistant Attorney General Mary E. Burke

concluded that a 1991 state Supreme Court ruling that
upheld a blanket exemption to the state's open records law
for the prosecution files of a district attorney does not apply
to police department records. The ruling involved then-Dane
County District Attorney C. William Foust's decision not to allow a
man to inspect the prosecutor's case file of a criminal action against
him.
The ruling, Burke said, "applies only to records requests for the
prosecutor's case file - not the police department's case file."
She noted state law presumes that people should have as

much access as possible to public records and that only in
exceptional cases may access be denied.
In handling requests for records, Burke said, law enforcement

agencies must weigh the potential harm to investigations and public
safety caused by releasing files against the state's high standard of
openness in government.
Bill Lueders, president of the Wisconsin Freedom of Information

Council, said the opinion is significant because it addresses a
Supreme Court ruling that he says is being misinterpreted by many
police departments in Wisconsin.
"This is an area where there's a lot of confusion and a lot of

disparity in the law enforcement agencies' response to records
requests," he said.
He said some police departments routinely deny records requests

by the public by saying a matter is still under investigation or has
been referred to a prosecutor's office and cite the Foust ruling in
doing so.
"This opinion says that just because your records are also in the
prosecutor's files does not mean that you can claim the same
exemption," Lueders said of police department files.
"Now, if they're not going to release something, they need to have

a valid public policy reason."
Lueders said the Portage Daily Register is involved in a lawsuit over

denial by a law enforcement agency of a request for records that
was based on the same 1991 Supreme Court ruling. That case now
is pending before an appeals court, he said.
Robert Dreps, a Madison attorney who works with several Wisconsin

newspapers on open records issues, including the Journal Sentinel,
said the opinion will alert law enforcement agencies that the denial
of access to records "is just not as simple as they would like it to be.

"They need to be able to show, if there's a challenge, that

producing a record would interfere with an investigation," he said.
Collins, the assistant police chief who requested the opinion,

declined to comment on the case Friday.
End run feared
But in his letter to Burke seeking clarification of the Supreme Court

ruling, he argued that allowing a police department to make public
its files of an investigation would be an end run around the
exemption to the open records law that was upheld by the court for
prosecutors' case files.
Collins said in the letter that allowing such a release of information

by law enforcement agencies "makes a sham" of state statutes on
pre-trial discovery and could give defense lawyers a tactical
advantage over a prosecutor who has not yet examined the police
reports.
"Unless the prosecutor controls the release of information, including

the police reports, the suspect's confederates may be able to swiftly
contact (and intimidate) the victim and/or witnesses before the
prosecutor has an opportunity to review the case," he said in his
letter.
Burke disagreed. She said "the prosecutor's office and police

departments are separate authorities for purposes of the public
records law" and that different rules apply to each.
Collins said a 1994 state Court of Appeals ruling in a case involving

the Middleton Police Department bolstered his arguments. But
Burke said the case could not be considered to have set a
precedent because it was never published.
From the Nov. 24, 2007 editions of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
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Navigatr1 Police ignore open records advice

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http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=694473
Registered: Jul 2003 By AMY RINARD

Location: arinard@journalsentinel.com
Posts: 31403
Posted: Dec. 7, 2007
Brookfield - Despite advice from the state attorney general's office

to the contrary, the Police Department has informed state officials it
will continue to automatically deny public access to some police files.
"It appears their interpretation of what the open records law

permits is different than what our interpretation is," Assistant
Attorney General Mary E. Burke said.
Last month, in response to a question posed in a letter from

Assistant Police Chief Dean Collins, Burke advised the city that the
department's policy of flatly refusing to release police files that
have been forwarded to a prosecuting attorney is not permitted
under open records law.
Collins declined to comment on the city's apparent disagreement

with Burke's opinion. City Attorney Karen Flaherty did not return a
reporter's phone call.
But in a letter to Burke responding to her advice, Collins argued

that the department's policy was based on the logic found in a 1994
unpublished appeals court decision.
While conceding that the decision could not be cited as a legal

precedent because it was unpublished, Collins said both he and the
city attorney found the court's reasoning to be "highly persuasive."
"Hence, we propose to continue our long-standing practice of

referring these records requests directly to the prosecuting
attorney," Collins wrote.
Those requests would routinely be denied under a 1991 state

Supreme Court ruling that upheld a blanket exemption to the
state's open records law for the prosecution files of a district
attorney. The ruling involved then-Dane County District Attorney C.
William Foust's decision not to allow a man to inspect the

prosecutor's case file of a criminal action against him.
But in her advice to Collins, Burke concluded that this blanket

exemption does not apply to police department records.
The ruling, she said, "applies only to records requests for the
prosecutor's case file - not the police department's case file."
Burke noted that state law presumes that people should have as
much access as possible to public records and that only in
exceptional cases may access be denied.
In handling requests for records, she said, law enforcement

agencies must weigh the potential harm to investigations and public
safety caused by releasing files against the state's high standard of
openness in government.
In his letter to Burke seeking clarification of the Supreme Court

ruling, Collins had argued that allowing a police department to
make public its files of an investigation would be an end run around
the exemption to the open records law that was upheld by the court
for prosecutors' case files.
Collins wrote that allowing such a release of information by law

enforcement agencies "makes a sham" of state statutes on pre-trial
discovery and could give defense lawyers a tactical advantage over
a prosecutor who has not yet examined the police reports.
Robert Dreps, a Madison attorney who works with several Wisconsin

newspapers on open records issues, including the Journal Sentinel,
said Burke's advice to the city is not legally binding.
But, he said, in choosing not to follow that advice, the city runs the
risk of being entangled in litigation over the denial of a records
request.
Such litigation could result in the city being ordered by a court to

pay monetary damages to the person whose request was denied
and even punitive damages if the denial is found to be arbitrary and
capricious, Dreps said.
"The attorney general's opinion does not have the force of law," he
said. "But if they don't follow it, that could put them at greater risk
of being found arbitrary and capricious in denying a request."
From the Dec. 8, 2007 editions of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

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Navigatr1 Wisconsin Circuit Court Access is a great tool for researching.

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Location: Wisconsin Circuit Court Access (WCCA)
Posts: 31403 Frequently Asked Questions
1. How long are cases kept on WCCA?

2. My case was dismissed. Why is it still showing up on WCCA?
3. Why are some cases not available on WCCA?
4. Why is Traffic Case Information about Juveniles available on
WCCA?
5. Is it necessary to put all non-criminal/OWI cases and ordinance
violation information on WCCA?
6. A case appears on WCCA with my name and date of birth, but it
isn't me. How can I have that case removed from WCCA?
7. Can I have my address removed from a case on WCCA?
8. Can I access Court Cases for Other States?
9. Why isn't there information for Portage County for anything other
than Probate?
10. I don't want my private information on WCCA. How can I get it
removed?
11. Does expunction remove my case from everywhere?
12. I don't want my criminal case on WCCA. How can I get it
removed?
13. My judgment is satisfied; why is the judgment party status
active?
14. What is a converted case?
15. Could you describe what the different case types mean?
16. What day did WCCA become available on the Internet?
17. How do I retrieve bankruptcy cases?
18. Where do I find more information about statutes?

19. Who do I contact if I want clarification about information

displayed on WCCA?
20. Who do I contact if the data displayed on this web site is
incorrect?
21. Do cases settled out of court display on WCCA?
22. I keep getting the message: "Your search has returned more
than 500 rows. Please try again." What's wrong?
23. After doing a 'Docketed Civil Judgment' search, some
judgments have a link that reads 'Click Here' instead of a case
number link. What does 'Click Here' mean?
24. Why don't I see any Court Record Additional Text on older
cases?
25. Why do I see the month and year in the 'Date of Birth' field for
some cases and the full date of birth on others?
26. Where can I find definitions for some of the legal terms used in
court records?
27. Where can I find an explanation of the abbreviations used in
court files?
28. Is there more information available about these cases?
29. How is information displayed on the website?
30. How is address information updated on a court record?
31. What is the judgment and lien docket?
32. What is the Wisconsin Open Records Law?
How long are cases kept on WCCA?
Case information remains accessible on WCCA for the minimum

retention period for the case type as set by Supreme Court Rule -
Chapter 72. However, cases with active warrants, active appeals or
money still owed remain available on WCCA. Contact the Clerk of
Circuit Court office in the county where the case was filed for
complete case information for those cases that no longer display on
WCCA.
Cases remain available as follows:
5 Years
Traffic Forfeiture Cases (TR)

Non-Traffic Ordinance Violation Cases (FO)
Incarcerated Person Cases (IP)
20 Years
Docketed Judgments
Tax Warrants (TW)
Civil Cases (CV)
Foreign Judgment Cases (FJ)
Transcript of Judgment Cases (TJ)
Unemployment Compensation Cases (UC)
Workers Compensation Cases (WC)
Tribal Court Order Cases (TC)
Misdemeanor and Criminal Traffic Cases (CM and CT)
Small Claims Cases (SC), with the following exceptions:

Dismissed SC cases filed prior to 7/1/2006 are removed 1 year

after the final order.
Dismissed SC cases filed 7/1/2006 or later are removed 2 years
after the final order.
30 Years
Family Cases (FA)

Paternity post judgment actions (PA)
50 Years
Class B - I Felony Cases (CF)

Commitment of an Inmate Cases (CI)
75 Years
Class A Felony Cases (CF)

Probate and Informal Probate Cases (PR and IN)
John Doe Cases (JD) for proceedings under §968.26, Wis. Stats.
100 Years
Will Filed Cases (WL)
My case was dismissed. Why is it still showing up on WCCA?
WCCA is a mirror of the historical record in the Clerk of Court's

office. As a historical record, it shows what has happened in every
case filed. If a case is dismissed, or a person is found "not guilty" in
a criminal case, that is part of the historical record and is disclosed
in the records. See Question #1 for case retention information.
Why are some cases not available on WCCA?
There are several reasons why a case may not be available on

WCCA:
* Some older cases were not included when the circuit court in a
county automated its records. How far back WCCA records go
differs by county. See When counties began using CCAP.
* Case types such as adoptions, mental commitments, and juvenile
cases are confidential by law and so are not shown on WCCA.
* A judge may order a misdemeanor case to be expunged if the
convicted offender is under age 21. This order will delete all court
records of the case included on WCCA. See Clerk of Circuit Court
contact information.
Why is Traffic Case Information about Juveniles available on

WCCA?
Licensed drivers ages 16 or older are treated as adults for non-

criminal traffic violations.
Is it necessary to put all non-criminal/OWI cases and

ordinance violation information on WCCA?
By law and tradition, Wisconsin favors openness in government.

Determinations about which cases appear on WCCA were finalized
in March of 2002. The information that appears on WCCA
represents an effort to balance these competing interests.
A case appears on WCCA with my name and date of birth,

but it isn't me. How can I have that case removed from
WCCA?
When a person believes a criminal complaint, traffic citation or

ordinance violation was issued in error due to mistaken identity or
identity theft, they can petition the court to remove their name
from the online record of that action.
If you would like to remove a case that was filed due to mistaken
identity or identity theft, complete a Petition, Affidavit and Order
Concerning Removal of Case Record from Online Records Because
of Identity Theft or Mistaken Identity (GF-182). This form can be
found in the forms section of the Wisconsin Court System website
at www.wicourts.gov or by clicking on the link at the bottom of this
page. This form has instructions printed on it that will assist you in
completing the form.
If you wish to file this petition, you should also consider filing a
Certification by Prosecuting Agency Verifying Identity Theft or
Mistaken Identity (GF-185). This form can be found in the forms
section of the Wisconsin Court System website at www.wicourts.gov
or by clicking on the link at the bottom of this page. This form has
instructions printed on it that will assist you in completing the form.
The Certification by Prosecuting Agency is a statement from the
prosecuting agency agreeing that you were not the person who
committed the offense. You are not required to submit the
Certification, but it strongly recommended that you ask the
prosecuting agency to complete a Certification before filing your
Petition with the court. If the prosecuting agency does not agree
with you that you were not the person who committed the offense,
you may have difficulty convincing the court that your Petition
should be granted.
Once you have completed the Petition, take it to the clerk of circuit
courts office in the county where the case was filed. If the
prosecuting agency has completed the Certification, file that with
the Petition. The judge will review your Petition.
If your Petition is granted, your name will be concealed on the

online (CCAP/WCCA) record of the case, but the case number and
case information will still be viewable. No change will be made to
the paper case file, which will continue to be kept in the clerk of
circuit courts office. If you want information sealed in the paper file,
you must make a general motion to the court to seal information in
the paper court record.

Click here for the form: Petition, Affidavit and Order Concerning
Removal of Case Record from Online Records Because of Identity
Theft or Mistaken Identity (GF-182)
Click here for the form: Certification by Prosecuting Agency

Verifying Identity Theft or Mistaken Identity (GF-185)
Can I have my address removed from a case on WCCA?
A person whose address displays on WCCA in a non-criminal case

can petition the court to remove their address information from the
online record for safety reasons. In order for the address to be
removed, you must show the court that there is a demonstrated
potential of physical or bodily harm or a threat of harm to you, a
family member or a member of your household at that address.
If you would like to petition the court to remove your address from
WCCA, complete a Petition, Affidavit and Order Concerning Removal
of Address Information from Online Records (GF-183). This form
can be found in the forms section of the Wisconsin Court System
website at www.wicourts.gov or by clicking on the link at the
bottom of this page. This form has instructions printed on it that
will assist you in completing the form. You must submit a separate
Petition for each case number in which you wish to have the
address removed.
Once you have completed the Petition, take it to the clerk of circuit
courts office in the county where the case was filed. A judge will
review your Petition. If your Petition is granted, the address
information will be removed from the online (CCAP/WCCA) case
record. This Petition will not remove the address from the paper
file. If you would like your address sealed in the paper file, you
must make a general motion to the court to seal your address in
the paper court record.
Click here for the form Petition, Affidavit and Order Concerning
Removal of Address Information from Online Records (GF-183).
Can I access Court Cases for Other States?
CCAP does not maintain a list of court records databases for other
states or jurisdictions. The State Law Library provides links to other
court records and public records databases.
Why isn't there information for Portage County for anything

other than Probate?
CCAP is a voluntary program. Counties (or divisions within a

county) that elected to use CCAP's Case Management
system have data on WCCA. We are unable to include data on
WCCA for counties that do not use CCAP's Case
Management system, as we do not have access to their data in the
same fashion as we do for the CCAP counties. There are no plans

for Portage at this time.
I don't want my private information on WCCA. How can I get

it removed?
You probably can't get rid of this information. Wisconsin has a

strong open records law [ Wis. Stats. 19.31-19.39 ] that requires
most court records to be open. Personal information appearing in
court records is protected by statutes only in limited circumstances.
According to Wisconsin court cases, even if the information may be
harmful to an individual's reputation or privacy, that is not enough
to allow a judge to seal a court record. However, if you feel your
safety is at risk, you can petition the court to remove your address
from the online record of a non-criminal case. See FAQ #7.
Does expunction remove my case from everywhere?
No. Even under the limited circumstances described above, a judge

can only order expunction of the court's record. The Wisconsin
Crime Information Bureau also keeps criminal records. The case
may still exist in the records of the District Attorney, other law
enforcement records, the Department of Transportation and other
places. The judge has no authority to require removal of those
records.
See the Wisconsin Criminal Information Bureau for more
information.
I don't want my criminal case on WCCA. How can I get it

removed?
You probably can't. Wisconsin law allows a judge to "expunge" a

case in only two situations, both involving youthful offenders:
* Misdemeanors committed by a person under 21. If the judge

ordered expunction upon successful completion of the sentence, the
record can be expunged. See §973.015, Wis. Stats.
* Adjudication of a juvenile delinquent. A juvenile who has been
adjudged delinquent can, upon reaching age 17, petition the judge
for expunction of the juvenile adjudication. See §938.355, Wis.
Stats. However, WCCA does not display juvenile adjudications
because they are not public records.
An expunged case is sealed by the clerk of court and is available to

be viewed only with a court order. If the judge properly orders a
case expunged, any reference to it will be removed from WCCA. A
judge has no other authority or power to expunge cases, and there
are no similar provisions for other types of cases.
My judgment is satisfied; why is the judgment party status

active?
A judgment party's status is always active, unless a creditor has an

assigned creditor. If the creditor has an assigned creditor, the
assigned creditor is 'active' and the original creditor is inactivated.

The active status has nothing to do with the satisfaction of a

judgment.
What is a converted case?
A converted case is a case that existed in the county's case

management system prior to using CCAP's Case Management
system. Some cases were converted onto CCAP's Case Management
system. Some converted and historical cases do not contain
complete information. To view complete information on these cases,
visit the Clerk of Court's office in the county where the case took
place. Converted and historical cases have the following Court
Record events:
* This converted data may be incorrect. See file.

* Converted case opening event
* Prior information, see file
* Prior information, see file CL
* Prior information, see file - No status change
* Prior Records are Converted Data
Could you describe what the different case types mean?
* CF - Felony - a crime punishable by imprisonment in the

Wisconsin state prisons and / or a fine
* CI - Commitment of an Inmate - a case with a petition alleging
that a person is a sexually violent person
* CL - Construction Lien - a claim on property for non-payment of
work that improved the property
* CM - Misdemeanor - a crime punishable by a fine and / or
confinement in a local jail, but not by imprisonment in the
Wisconsin state prisons
* CO - Condominium Lien - a claim on a condominium unit for the
owner's non-payment of assessments for common expenses
* CT - Criminal Traffic - a misdemeanor offense involving the
operation of a motor vehicle
* CV - Civil - typically, lawsuits seeking claims in excess of $5000,
but also such actions as restraining orders, appeals from municipal
court and administrative agency decisions, name changes, etc.
* CX - Complex Forfeiture - A forfeiture action that requires access
to the rules of civil procedure and which is punishable by a
forfeiture of money.
* FA - Family - divorce, legal separation, annulment, custody, child
support, maintenance, property division, or the enforcement or
modification of an order affecting the family
* FJ - Foreign Judgment - a judgment or order of a court from a
different state, a federal court outside Wisconsin, a municipal court
of another county, or a tribal court; treated as if ordered by a
Wisconsin circuit court.
* FO - Non Traffic Ordinance Violation - a violation, unrelated to the
operation of a motor vehicle, punishable by the forfeiture of money
* GF - Group File - a category for maintaining documents that are
not specifically case-related

* HL - Hospital Lien - a claim by a hospital for non-payment of

services provided to an injured person. The claim is on a judgment,
award, settlement, etc. that the injured person may have against
the person responsible for the injury.
* HT - Habitual Traffic - No longer available for use. A petition
claiming a person is not the person identified by DOT as a habitual
traffic offender is now filed as a CV case.
* IN - Informal Probate - a typical probate matter in which no
issues are contested and a deceased person's estate is
administratively handled by the probate registrar instead of by the
court
* IP - Incarcerated Person - a case with a petition submitted by a
prisoner who wants to begin an action without prepaying court
costs and fees
* JD - John Doe - a proceeding under WI Stats. 968.26 to
determine whether a crime has been committed. For clerical
convenience, this case type also includes the filing of complaints
under WI Stats. 968.02(3) and coroners' inquests under WI Stats.
979.04.
* JJ - Juvenile Judgment - a judgment against a juvenile for unpaid
debt, typically restitution
* JT - Joint Tenancy - No longer available for use. A statement filed
with the Register in Probate that results in the termination of a
decedent's interest in joint property is filed as a PR case.
* ML - Mechanics Lien - No longer available for use. A mechanics
lien is not required to be filed with the clerk of circuit court.
* OL - Other Lien - claims not specifically identified by the other lien
case types and include such claims as environmental liens, mining
liens, quarry labor liens, etc.
* PA - Paternity - Post judgment actions in paternity cases, such as
support and custody. Pre judgment information concerning the
determination of paternity is confidential and is not available to the
public.
* PR - Probate - formal probate (in which issues are contested and
a deceased person's estate is supervised by the court) and such
other probate-related actions as the summary settlement of small
estates, the termination of joint tenancy, etc.
* SC - Small Claims - lawsuits seeking claims of less than $5000,
evictions, and replevin actions (the repossession of property)
* TC - Tribal Court Order - a judgment, decision, or order of an
Indian tribal court in Wisconsin that is treated as if it had been
issued by a Wisconsin state court
* TJ - Transcript of Judgment - a judgment or order from another
Wisconsin circuit court, a Wisconsin appellate court, a federal court
in Wisconsin, or a municipal court in that county; treated as if
ordered by the circuit court in the county where it's filed.
* TR - Traffic Forfeiture - a violation, related to the operation of a
motor vehicle, punishable by the forfeiture of money
* TW - Tax Warrant - a warrant issued by the Wisconsin
Department of Revenue for failure to pay income or franchise tax
when due. This warrant has the same effect as a judgment granted
by the court.
* UC - Unemployment Compensation - a warrant issued by the

Wisconsin Department of Workforce Development for an employer's

failure to pay contributions, interest, or fees. This warrant has the
same effect as a judgment granted by a court.
* WC - Workers Compensation - an award issued by the Wisconsin
Department of Workforce Development.This award has the same
effect as a judgment granted by a court
* WL - Will Filed - a will filed with the court for safekeeping during a
person's lifetime
What day did WCCA become available on the Internet?
Monday April 5th, 1999.
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Navigatr1 Birchwood officer Peter Lyle Weatherhead tickets himself and pays fine;
Extended Sabatical now on leave
Birchwood officer tickets himself and pays fine; now on leave

http://haywardwi.com/articles/2010/...e2631479056.txt
Location: by Frank Zufall
Posts: 31403 Spooner Advocate
Published: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 12:43 PM CDT
Birchwood Police Officer Pete Weatherhead ticketed himself on

April 8 for permitting two unauthorized drivers to drive his vehicle
on Sept. 29, 2009.
Weatherhead paid the $200.50 fine in Washburn County Circuit

Court.
John Behling, an attorney representing the village of Birchwood,

said Weatherhead is on "paid, non-disciplinary leave of absence."
Behling said the Washburn County Sheriff's Office will assist

Birchwood Police Chief Ben Kornbroke with law enforcement in
Weatherhead's absence.
According to the Sheriff's department incident report, two girls in a

car with an adult were returning from a volleyball game in
Flambeau when Weatherhead's vehicle, in front of theirs, pulled
over. According to the report, Weatherhead went back to their
vehicle and asked the two girls to go with him for driving lessons.
The incident report said each girl drove a portion of the distance
back to Birchwood on Highway 48. They stopped at Ed's Pit Stop in
Birchwood, where Weatherhead took over driving.
Washburn County Sheriff Terry Dryden interviewed the two girls

and parents, and all stories agree on the essential facts, the report
said.
Weatherhead was featured in an April 14 article in the Record which

outlined his receipt of an award from the FBI for capturing a bank
robber in October 2009.
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PDF Document Attached
State of Wisconsin vs. Peter L. Weatherhead
Washburn County Case Number 2010TR000504 (5.16 KB)
Defendant Date of Birth

Location:
10-1954
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Address
13864 W. Hwy 48, Exeland, WI 54835
Address Updated On
04-08-2010
Statute -- Description -- Severity -- Disposition

343.45(1) -- Permit Unauthorized Minor to Drive -- Forf. U
A free PDF viewer may be obtained from Adobe[/b]

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html
Attachment: peter lyle weatherhead 2010tr000504.pdf

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In RE the marriage of Denise Marie Weatherhead and Peter
Lyle Weatherhead
Sawyer County Case Number 2006FA000079 (3.65 KB)
Location: Defendant Date of Birth
Posts: 31403 10-1954
Address
13864 W. Hwy 48, Exeland, WI 54835
Address Updated On
06-15-2006
Filing Date
06-15-2006
Case Type
Family
Case Status
Closed
Class Code Description

Divorce
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Attachment: peter lyle weatherhead 2006fa000079.pdf

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Navigatr1 According to Court Records:

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Peter Lyle Weatherhead
13864 W. Hwy 48
Exeland, WI 54835
Location: Note: This address marker is off according to an observer who
Posts: 31403 emailed me info on this officer.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...1,0.038581&z=15
Attachment: peter lyle weatherhead map 2.jpg

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Navigatr1 Note: Corrected satellite view based on info emailed to me by an

Extended Sabatical observer.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...009645&t=h&z=17
Registered: Jul 2003 Attachment: peter lyle weatherhead sat 2.jpg

Location:
Posts: 31403 This has been downloaded 52 time(s).
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Navigatr1 Birchwood police officer on administrative leave

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Posted: 10:05 PM Apr 12, 2010

Birchwood police officer on administrative leave
A Birchwood police officer is on administrative leave after the chief
Registered: Jul 2003 says someone made allegations against him.
Location: http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/90715044.html
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Reporter: WEAU 13 News Staff

Email Address: news@weau.com
A Birchwood police officer is on administrative leave after the

chief says someone made allegations against him.
Officer Pete Weatherhead says Monday night he was never told

why he was put on leave. Weatherhead who says he's been in law
enforcement for about 30 years says he thinks this a case of
someone trying to retaliate against him because he's a police officer.
Online court records show he issued himself a ticket April 6 for

allowing an unauthorized minor to drive. Court documents show the
offense date as September 29 of last year. Police Chief Ben
Kornbroke says the Washburn County Sheriff's Department is
investigating the matter and won't elaborate on the nature of the
allegations.
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04-23-2010 07:36 PM
Navigatr1 Someone emailed me these photos of Birchwood police officer Peter

Extended Sabatical Lyle Weatherhead's house.
View of house from highway. Note that the house can't be seen
from the road.
Location:
Attachment: peter lyle weatherhead house 1a.jpg
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Navigatr1 View of mailbox showing house number

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Navigatr1 Glimpse of house from near driveway

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Registered: Jul 2003 owners of this board. Articles posted on this board by me, or other members, are
Location: merely a collection of publicly published articles on the internet that are
Posts: 31403 conveniently posted in one place. The purpose of the articles is accountability for
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Navigatr1 Closeup of township house sign. Note that he lives in Meteor

Extended Sabatical township.

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Navigatr1 Glimpse of house peering over a road bank.

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Navigatr1 This portion of a Sawyer County map was recently submitted to me.
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05-25-2010 02:07 PM
Navigatr1 Detail of area. The address marker is approximate based previous

Extended Sabatical submissions.

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05-25-2010 02:08 PM
RoadRanger1 Navigatr1? Can I ask what you see wrong with giving himself a
TEMPORARILY BANNED ticket?
It sounds to me like he realized he had violated the law and

penalized himself for it..... In effect holding himself to the same law
(s) he would write tickets to others for.
That sounds a lot like honesty, to me. Something that should be

commended, not ridiculed.
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05-30-2010 12:27 AM

Navigatr1 RoadRanger1 wrote:

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quote:
Registered: Jul 2003 Navigatr1? Can I ask what you see wrong with giving
Location: himself a ticket?
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I don't see anything wrong with him writing out himself a ticket,
and applaud his honesty. However, he did break the law. Therefore,
he is fair game here on Copwatch. I think it is funny that someone
sent me pictures of his house, and maps to post. It is all public
information. I just wish more people would post photos of their
houses
--Navigatr1
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RoadRanger1 Yes, he broke the law.

TEMPORARILY BANNED But instead of hiding behind the badge and saying "I can do that",
he actually held himself accountable!
If we want the cops to straighten up, Don't you think that when
something like this happens that we should actually THANK him for
his honesty, instead of dragging him through the mud? Doing that
would cause others to think twice about being honest - I mean, why
Registered: May 2010 do the right thing when you're going to be attacked and bashed no
Location: Wisconsin matter what?
Posts: 88
I feel that CopWatch should not only Shame and out the crooked

cops, but praise the honest ones - as a sign to other cops of what is
acceptable and what is not.
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Ok, so you people just hate for hate's sake.
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Registered: Jul 2003 Ok, so you people just hate for hate's sake.
Location:
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Sorry you feel that way, but we don't hate for hate's sake. I hear
and understand your point of view though. GC Marciano found a
very public picture of Officer Pete Weatherhead. According to the
State of Wisconsin, and other states it is OK to post public pictures.
--Navigatr1

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GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by RoadRanger1
Ok, so you people just hate for hate's sake.
Who (other than you, RoadRanger1) said anything about hating

anybody?
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RoadRanger1 quote:
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Originally posted by GC Marciano
Who (other than you, RoadRanger1) said
anything about hating anybody?

Location: Wisconsin So far almost every post about this officer has been of the same
Posts: 88 type that each of you uses for the crooked officers.
If you lump the good and the bad together, then what's the point of
being good?
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GC Marciano But again, RoadRanger1, who in this thread has said anything
Copwatcher Extraordinaire about hating anybody? This thread consists of mostly media
articles and photos, with very little commentary. All of the
information included is publicly available information, his
address was publicly posted in court documents - documents
that would not exist had he not broken the law.
I've reviewed the thread again, and can't find anything at all
referencing hate. In fact Nav1 specifically applauded his
honesty for ticketing himself. I disagree, and don't believe
Registered: Jul 2003 honesty had anything to do with it. His actions were all about
making himself look better after he was already busted and the
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media was broadcasting stories of Weatherhead's misconduct.
The offense occurred back on September 29 of 2009. Then

seven months later on April 08 2010, after his crime became
known due to the city receiving complaints about Weatherhead,
an investigation into his crime was initiated, he was placed on
administrative suspension and was told by the sheriff told him
he would be ticketed for allowing an unauthorized minor to
drive. Weatherhead told the sheriff he would ticket himself.
Come on, this is not about knowing he broke the law and
holding himself accountable, it's about getting caught and trying
to make himself look better in the media.
I should be noted that allowing an unauthorized minor to drive

a police car is in fact a criminal act that could have been
prosecuted much more severely than the mere ticket he issued
himself. He could have faced criminal charges of unlawful use of
state funded property as well as criminal charges of

endangerment for allowing the unlicensed minors to drive.
And nobody has addressed what kind of a creep this guy would
be labeled if he were not a member of law enforcement. He
stopped his vehicle, went to the vehicle behind his and asked
two female minors to join him for driving lessons. He then let
them take turns driving his official vehicle.
Some predators use candy to lure underage victims. Pete

Weatherhead uses his police car.
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RoadRanger1 Re: Birchwood officer Peter Lyle Weatherhead tickets himself and pays
TEMPORARILY BANNED fine; now on leave
quote:

Birchwood officer tickets himself and pays fine;
now on leave
Registered: May 2010 http://haywardwi.com/articles/2010/...
Location: Wisconsin e2631479056.txt
Posts: 88
by Frank Zufall
Spooner Advocate
Published: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 12:43 PM
CDT
Birchwood Police Officer Pete Weatherhead

ticketed himself on April 8 for permitting two
unauthorized drivers to drive his vehicle on Sept.
29, 2009.

Weatherhead paid the $200.50 fine in Washburn

County Circuit Court.
John Behling, an attorney representing the village

of Birchwood, said Weatherhead is on "paid, non-
disciplinary leave of absence."
Behling said the Washburn County Sheriff's Office

will assist Birchwood Police Chief Ben Kornbroke
with law enforcement in Weatherhead's absence.
According to the Sheriff's department incident

report, two girls in a car with an adult were
returning from a volleyball game in Flambeau
when Weatherhead's vehicle, in front of theirs,
pulled over. According to the report, Weatherhead
went back to their vehicle and asked the two girls
to go with him for driving lessons.
The incident report said each girl drove a portion

of the distance back to Birchwood on Highway 48.
They stopped at Ed's Pit Stop in Birchwood,
where Weatherhead took over driving.
Washburn County Sheriff Terry Dryden

interviewed the two girls and parents, and all
stories agree on the essential facts, the report
said.
Weatherhead was featured in an April 14 article

in the Record which outlined his receipt of an
award from the FBI for capturing a bank robber in
October 2009.
Navigatr1, did you edit the original post?

I ask because that looks a lot different from what I recall having
been posted.....
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GC Marciano Birchwood officer let two girls drive police car

Copwatcher Extraordinaire Posted: Apr 14, 2010 5:06 PM CDT
http://www.wqow.com/Global/story.asp?S=12312763
Eau Claire (WQOW) - Two girls say a police officer allowed them
to drive his car on a state highway.
We now know a lot about a misconduct investigation

surrounding a Birchwood officer.
Location: Chicago, Illinois An open records request shows the village president went to the
Posts: 9967 Washburn County sheriff in March after receiving complaints
about Officer Pete Weatherhead.
From there, the sheriff interviewed two girls. They told him they
were coming home from a volleyball game in Flambeau in
September when it happened. They were riding in a car with an
adult and Weatherhead was in front of them in his car.
The girls say officer Weatherhead pulled over, came back

to their car and asked them to come with him so he could
give them driving lessons.
The adult agreed and both girls went with Weatherhead. They
drove into Washburn County on Highway 48 before stopping at
a convenience store in Birchwood where Weatherhead got
behind the wheel again.
The Washburn County sheriff says he called Officer

Weatherhead and told him he would give him a citation
for allowing an unauthorized minor to drive, which comes
with a fine of $200. Weatherhead told the sheriff he
would ticket himself, which he did last week and paid the
fine.
Weatherhead, as WQOW News 18 reported on Monday, is on

paid administrative leave. The village attorney says he could not
comment on whether Weatherhead was on duty the night it
happened.
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Weatherhead remains on administrative leave

4/22/2010 9:12:00 AM
Eileen Nimm
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http://www.ricelakeonline.com/main....520&TM=82525.61
Village of Birchwood senior police officer Pete Weatherhead

remains on paid administrative leave.

Weatherhead was placed on leave April 9 after allowing two

girls to drive his vehicle last fall. It is not known whether the
Village Board placed Weatherhead on leave because of that
incident.
A Washburn County Sheriff's Department incident report states

that on March 10 Village Board president Morris Gillette told
Sheriff Terry Dryden that Gillette had received complaints that
Weatherhead had allowed the girls to drive his vehicle.
Dryden spoke to the girls' parents in mid-March. They

confirmed that Weatherhead had let the girls drive.
On March 22, Dryden talked to the girls who said that on the
night of Sept. 29, Weatherhead had allowed them to drive his
vehicle as they drove home from a volleyball game in Flambeau.
The girls were riding with one girl's mother behind Weatherhead
in his vehicle. At one point, Weatherhead pulled over and came
back to the mother's car and asked the girls to come with him,
and he would give them some driving lessons, stated the report.
Both girls got into Weatherhead's car and allegedly took

turns driving the car. They drove into Washburn County
on Hwy. 48 and drove to Ed's Pit Stop where
Weatherhead allegedly took over driving.
Dryden asked the girls' parents why, if the offense took place in
September, it was just now being brought to his attention. The
parents said they'd just found out about it 3-4 weeks earlier.
They said at that time they didn't really know what to do about
it, and so they talked to Gillette.
Also on March 22, Dryden contacted Weatherhead and told him

he had probable cause to believe that Weatherhead allowed an
unauthorized person to drive his vehicle in Washburn County.
Dryden told Weatherhead he'd be issuing him a citation.

Weatherhead allegedly told Dryden that he would issue
himself the citation and give Dryden a copy of it.
As of April 5, a copy of the citation had not been

delivered to the Washburn County Clerk of Courts Office.
Dryden called Weatherhead who said he issued himself a
citation.
After Dryden talked with Gillette and Weatherhead some more,

it was decided that it would be inappropriate for
Weatherhead to issue himself the citation and that it
should be issued through the Clerk of Courts Office, and
Dryden should issue it, the report stated.
On April 8, Weatherhead called Dryden and said he'd just issued

himself a ticket through the Clerk of Courts and paid the $200

fine as well. With that information, Dryden didn't write the

citation to Weatherhead as it had now become a "moot point,"
stated the report.
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GC Marciano RoadRanger1, here's more media regarding this upstanding

Copwatcher Extraordinaire man of integrity. He's looking less and less like a good, honest
man the more I look into him.
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Police officer on administrative leave facing more

trouble
Posted: Apr 30, 2010 5:59 PM CDT
Registered: Jul 2003 http://www.wqow.com/Global/story.asp?S=12407858

Posts: 9967 Birchwood (WQOW)- A police officer from Birchwood could be in
more hot water.
On Monday, law enforcement was called to a home in the town

of Cedar Lake, which is in Barron County. A woman told officers
Pete Weatherhead had been drinking and was harassing
her about his ongoing criminal investigation. Officers
responded, but could not find him. Earlier this month
Weatherhead, a Birchwood Police Officer, was put on paid leave
for letting an unauthorized minor drive his car. Two girls told
investigators that Weatherhead let them drive his car on a state
highway. He was ticketed and paid the fine. He's still on leave.
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RoadRanger1 GC, are you always this snotty? Because if you are, it's a wonder
TEMPORARILY BANNED that you're still alive.
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GC Marciano Can you explain how I am being snotty?

I merely posted some simple online research suggesting that
the man you are defending as the "good cop" is perhaps not the
upright picture of integrity that he tried to portray himself to
the media as by writing himself a traffic citation after being
complained about, investigated, caught and suspended for his
crime(s).
I didn't write the media articles nor did I add anything to them.
Registered: Jul 2003 I merely copied them here and followed them with commentary
Location: Chicago, Illinois based on their content.
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...And I'm still interested in seeing a single example from this
thread in which anybody mentions hating this officer. I'm not
being snotty, I'm just interested in seeing what I can't seem to
find.
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RoadRanger1 quote:
TEMPORARILY BANNED
Birchwood officer let two girls drive police car
http://www.wqow.com/Global/story.asp?
S=12312763
Location: Wisconsin Eau Claire (WQOW) - Two girls say a police officer
Posts: 88 allowed them to drive his car on a state highway.
We now know a lot about a misconduct

investigation surrounding a Birchwood officer.
An open records request shows the village

president went to the Washburn County sheriff in
March after receiving complaints about Officer
Pete Weatherhead.
From there, the sheriff interviewed two girls.

They told him they were coming home from a
volleyball game in Flambeau in September when
it happened. They were riding in a car with an
adult and Weatherhead was in front of them in
his car.
The girls say officer Weatherhead pulled over,

came back to their car and asked them to come
with him so he could give them driving lessons.
The adult agreed and both girls went with

Weatherhead. They drove into Washburn County
on Highway 48 before stopping at a convenience
store in Birchwood where Weatherhead got
behind the wheel again.

The Washburn County sheriff says he called

Officer Weatherhead and told him he would give
him a citation for allowing an unauthorized minor
to drive, which comes with a fine of $200.
Weatherhead told the sheriff he would ticket
himself, which he did last week and paid the fine.
Weatherhead, as WQOW News 18 reported on

Monday, is on paid administrative leave. The
village attorney says he could not comment on
whether Weatherhead was on duty the night it
happened.
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Weatherhead remains on administrative leave

4/22/2010 9:12:00 AM
Eileen Nimm
Chronotype staff
http://www.ricelakeonline.com/
main....520&TM=82525.61
Village of Birchwood senior police officer Pete

Weatherhead remains on paid administrative
leave.
Weatherhead was placed on leave April 9 after

allowing two girls to drive his vehicle last fall. It
is not known whether the Village Board placed
Weatherhead on leave because of that incident.
A Washburn County Sheriff's Department incident

report states that on March 10 Village Board
president Morris Gillette told Sheriff Terry Dryden
that Gillette had received complaints that
Weatherhead had allowed the girls to drive his
vehicle.
Dryden spoke to the girls' parents in mid-March.

They confirmed that Weatherhead had let the
girls drive.
On March 22, Dryden talked to the girls who said

that on the night of Sept. 29, Weatherhead had
allowed them to drive his vehicle as they drove
home from a volleyball game in Flambeau.
The girls were riding with one girl's mother

behind Weatherhead in his vehicle. At one point,
Weatherhead pulled over and came back to the
mother's car and asked the girls to come with

him, and he would give them some driving

lessons, stated the report.
Both girls got into Weatherhead's car and

allegedly took turns driving the car. They drove
into Washburn County on Hwy. 48 and drove to
Ed's Pit Stop where Weatherhead allegedly took
over driving.
Dryden asked the girls' parents why, if the

offense took place in September, it was just now
being brought to his attention. The parents said
they'd just found out about it 3-4 weeks earlier.
They said at that time they didn't really know
what to do about it, and so they talked to Gillette.
Also on March 22, Dryden contacted Weatherhead

and told him he had probable cause to believe
that Weatherhead allowed an unauthorized
person to drive his vehicle in Washburn County.
Dryden told Weatherhead he'd be issuing him a

citation. Weatherhead allegedly told Dryden that
he would issue himself the citation and give
Dryden a copy of it.
As of April 5, a copy of the citation had not been

delivered to the Washburn County Clerk of Courts
Office. Dryden called Weatherhead who said he
issued himself a citation.
After Dryden talked with Gillette and

Weatherhead some more, it was decided that it
would be inappropriate for Weatherhead to issue
himself the citation and that it should be issued
through the Clerk of Courts Office, and Dryden
should issue it, the report stated.
On April 8, Weatherhead called Dryden and said

he'd just issued himself a ticket through the Clerk
of Courts and paid the $200 fine as well. With
that information, Dryden didn't write the citation
to Weatherhead as it had now become a "moot
point," stated the report.
quote:

RoadRanger1, here's more media regarding this
upstanding man of integrity. He's looking less and
less like a good, honest man the more I look into

him.
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[b]Police officer on administrative leave

facing more trouble
Birchwood (WQOW)- A police officer from Birchwood

could be in more hot water.
here's more media regarding this upstanding man of integrity.
NOW, tell me again how you aren't trying to goad me into kicking
your ***?
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GC Marciano quote:
here's more media regarding this
upstanding man of integrity.
NOW, tell me again how you aren't trying to

goad me into kicking your ***?

Posts: 9967
No I am not trying to "goad you into kicking my ***", although
it would certainly be a cute scene to witness you trying .I
was simply stating a point - or a series of points as it were. You
defended him as a good officer, I merely posted media data
suggesting otherwise. Sorry that it upset you so much. Your
"good cop" turned out to be nothing more than the typical run
of the mill copscum that was even drunkenly harassing a
woman about the investigation into his conduct. I didn't make
him that way, so don't be so paranoid.

Now how 'bout you drop it before your nonconstructive, off-

topic posts are deemed disruptive and you end up banned.
Back on topic.
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07-08-2010 02:04 AM
RoadRanger1 quote:
TEMPORARILY BANNED
No I am not trying to "goad you into kicking my
***", although it would certainly be a cute scene
to witness you trying .I was simply stating a
point - or a series of points as it were. You
defended him as a good officer, I merely posted
Registered: May 2010 media data suggesting otherwise. Sorry that it
Location: Wisconsin upset you so much. Your "good cop" turned out to
Posts: 88 be nothing more than the typical run of the mill
copscum that was even drunkenly harassing a
woman about the investigation into his conduct. I
didn't make him that way, so don't be so paranoid.
Now how 'bout you drop it before your

nonconstructive, off-topic posts are deemed
disruptive and you end up banned.
Back on topic.
So you DO admit to trying to goad me, huh idiot?

You started the snott posts after I asked whether Nav had edited it
to add more information about what the officer did.
I suggest that NEXT TIME you keep your fingers off the ****ing
keyboard instead of posting s*** to try and pick a fight.
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07-09-2010 05:09 AM
GC Marciano quote:
So you DO admit to trying to goad me, huh

idiot?
I suggest that NEXT TIME you keep your

fingers off the ****ing keyboard instead of
posting s*** to try and pick a fight.
Posts: 9967
And I suggest that NEXT TIME you attempt acting like a civil
human instead of the typical pig-humping asswipe with a chip
on your shoulder. Drop your pathetically desperate, control
freak attitude and perhaps you'll be welcome on the forums
again. Until then, good riddance. I doubt anybody will miss
RoadRanger1, the resident cop apologist.
Stating a point or series of points about how a cop has

repeatedly been in trouble lately is trying to "goad" you? Sorry
kid, the world doesn't revolve around you, and neither you nor
your opinions of the article were even remotely in my thoughts
when I posted. Give it up, you're just not that important, pig
dick.
It's interesting to note that it's always the police and police
apologists who are incapable of following the very simple rules
set forth here. Typical pig.
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Registered: Jul 2003 Navigatr1, did you edit the original post?
Location: I ask because that looks a lot different from what I
Posts: 31403 recall having been posted.....
Yes, I did edit the original post. I was finally able to locate the
whole article instead of part of it.
Dryden told Weatherhead he'd be issuing him a citation.

Weatherhead allegedly told Dryden that he would issue himself the
citation and give Dryden a copy of it.
As of April 5, a copy of the citation had not been delivered to the

Washburn County Clerk of Courts Office. Dryden called
Weatherhead who said he issued himself a citation.
GC Marciano wrote:
quote:
After Dryden talked with Gillette and Weatherhead

some more, it was decided that it would be
inappropriate for Weatherhead to issue himself the
citation and that it should be issued through the Clerk
of Courts Office, and Dryden should issue it, the report
stated.
Good catch on highlight this out of the article wrote in the media.
Certainly sounds like Weatherhead was trying to make himself look
good rather than having Washburn County Sheriff Terry Dryden
issue him the ticket. While I commend him for writing himself a

ticket, but it sounds like he did it only after the Washburn County
Sheriff was going to do it to avoid a conflict of interest.
quote:
A woman told officers Pete Weatherhead had been

drinking and was harassing her about his ongoing
criminal investigation.
Another good catch as well. Peter Lyle Weatherhead may not be

that good of a cop after all.
--Navigatr1
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Navigatr1 Chetek chief Robert L Breidenbach guilty of disorderly conduct resigns

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Chetek chief arrested for disorderly conduct
Registered: Jul 2003 The Chronotype

Location: Wednesday, February 9, 2005
Posts: 31403 Volume 130, Issue 24
www.ricelakeonline.com
Page 7
Chetek police chief Robert L. Breidenbach was arrested, along

with Valerie F. Ferguson, for domestic disorderly conduct last
Friday.

Breidenbach, 57, and Ferguson, 41, were arrested for domestic

disorderly conduct, booked in at the Barron County jail and
released, a news release issued by Sheriff Tom Richie stated.
A 72-hour no-contact order was enforced, according to the Sheriff•s

Department dispatcher•s log.
Assistant district attorney James Babbitt is reviewing the records for

possible charges.
Breidenbach has been placed on paid administrative leave pending

the outcome, said Chetek City Clerk Carmen Newman.
Sheriff•s Department records state that a dispatcher received a

second 911 hang-up call from Chetek residence of Breidenbach
about 5:19 p.m.
•Received a second 911 hang-up call, did ring back and female
answered; asked her if there was a problem there, and she said no,
asked if she was sure, and she said she was just assaulted by Bob,
but she was leaving and would be fine,• the dispatcher•s log stated.
The dispatcher advised a Chetek Police Department officer of the

incident. That officer then requested mutual aid. A Barron County
officer assisted.
A teletype was also sent to State Patrol for assistance, records

stated.
Newman said Chetek Mayor Jerry Whitworth would return from

vacation this Wednesday, and city officials will meet with him on
the matter.
If charges are filed, the Board of Police Commissioners may meet

on the matter and recommend action to the City Council, Newman
said.
Breidenbach was hired as chief in 1999, Newman said.
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Navigatr1 Chief arrested after domestic dispute

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http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?...id=150853&rfi=6
Registered: Jul 2003 by Shane Samuels

Location: February 09, 2005
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Chetek Police Chief Bob Breidenbach was arrested Friday night
for domestic disorderly conduct following a dispute with a woman.
A Chetek police officer was dispatched to Breidenbach's

residence at 711 Pleasure Street after two 911 calls early Friday
evening. Upon learning of the chief's involvement, the officer
requested mutual aid from the Barron County Sheriff's Department.
Two deputies then responded to the scene and handled the arrests.
The calls were allegedly made by Valerie F. Ferguson, 41,

Breidenbach's girlfriend. Both Breidenbach, 57, and Ferguson were
taken into custody and booked at the Barron County Jail before
being released. Breidenbach and Ferguson live together at the
residence listed above.
According to the Barron County Dispatch Log, dispatch received two

911 hang-up calls shortly after 5 p.m. Friday, Feb. 4. After the
second hang-up, dispatch returned the call and a female answered.
Dispatch asked the woman if there was a problem, and she said,
"No." Dispatch asked again if she was sure, and the female said she
had just been assaulted by "Bob," but she was leaving and would
be fine.
Charges are pending upon review from the district attorney's office.
An official criminal complaint had not yet been filed at press time.
Breidenbach has been placed on administrative leave. An interim

police chief has not yet been named.
"I am embarrassed and regret being involved," Breidenbach said in

a statement this week. "I hope the public will delay forming any
opinions of guilt and refrain from guessing what the circumstances
of the arrest were."
Breidenbach declined to explain the details of the disagreement that

led to the two arrests.
Ronnie Latcham, chairman of the City of Chetek Police Commission,

said that the commission will take no action regarding the chief
until instructed to do so by Mayor Jerry Whitworth. The commission
can review the case, but won't take any immediate action.

"The last thing the criminal justice system needs is a police

commission sticking its nose into the legal system," Latcham
commented. "We really have to wait and see how things play out."
Latcham added that despite the chief's position with the city, the
criminal justice system will treat him like any other citizen -
innocent until proven guilty.
Breidenbach said he hoped he wouldn't be tried in the court of

public opinion before he was tried in an actual courtroom.
"Like anybody else, I have a right to my time in court," Breidenbach

stated. "I hope I get the same privileges any private citizen would
get."
Breidenbach has been a lightning rod for controversy since his

hiring Jan. 4, 1999. The police department has also received its
share of public criticism under Breidenbach's watch.
In December a Chetek officer was cited for disorderly conduct

following a display of racially insensitive actions and remarks
involving an inmate at the Barron County Jail.
Last spring Breidenbach was accused publicly of trying to cover up

a single-vehicle accident in which a pick-up truck he was driving
encountered an icy patch near Chetek and rolled into the ditch.
Barron County Sheriff Tom Richie later confirmed that there was no
cover-up.
In January 2004 the Chetek Police Commission was formed,

consisting of members of the community who oversee any
disciplinary actions involving the Chetek Police Department. The
commission fields complaints regarding any members of the police
department.
According to the Wisconsin Court System on-line, Breidenbach has

no prior domestic abuse convictions.
Mayor Jerry Whitworth was in Minnesota on a fishing trip and
unavailable for comment concerning Breidenbach's arrest. Sheriff
Tom Richie was also unavailable for comment.
•The Chetek Alert 2005
Police Chief Bob Breidenbach
Attachment: bob breidenbach.jpg

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Navigatr1 Chetek Alert Reader Opinions

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Registered: Jul 2003 Susette Grenz

Location: Feb, 11 2005
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quote:
He should be immediately terminated because there is

no excuse for domestic abuse of any kind and just
because he is the Chief of Police does not give him the
right to abuse the law and everyone gets tried in the
press so so should he.
Linda Lake
Feb, 10 2005
quote:
We've been waiting a long time and finally he's dug his
own grave!! Please look further into his prior domestic
abuse convictions. To all my fellow Chetek citizens, I
think now the time has come that those sitting in
judgment of him can finally believe all our complaints
about him that have belittled the female population of
Chetek, young and old. I put my faith and trust in our
Chetek Police Commission and Mayor Jerry Whitworth
to finally put an end to his career of one-sided

misjustice.
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02-14-2005 03:01 PM
Navigatr1 Chetek police chief cited with disorderly

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The Chronotype
Registered: Jul 2003 Wednesday, February 16, 2005
Location: Volume 130, Issue 25
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Chetek police chief Robert L. Breidenbach and Valerie Ferguson

have been charged with noncriminal disorderly conduct.
Breidenbach, 57, and Ferguson, 41, of Chetek are scheduled to

appear in Barron County Circuit Court for an initial hearing March 2.
Maximum penalty is a $500 fine.
As police chief, Breidenbach remains on paid administrative leave

pending the outcome of the case.
Breidenbach and Ferguson were arrested Feb. 4 after officers

responded to a 911 call made by Ferguson at the residence of
Breidenbach at about 5:19 p.m.
When questioned by a 911 dispatcher, Ferguson at first said there

was no problem. She then said she’d been assaulted by
Breidenbach, Barron County Sheriff’s Department records stated.
Ferguson told the dispatcher that she was leaving the residence and
would he fine.

Breidenbach and Ferguson were subsequently arrested for domestic

disorderly conduct, booked in at the Barron County jail and
released.
Barron County Sheriff’s Department and Chetek Police Department

officers responded to the incident. A teletype was also sent to State
Patrol for assistance, records stated.
Breidenbach was hired as Chetek’s police chief in 1999.
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02-20-2005 02:08 PM
Navigatr1 Chief charged with ordinance violation

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February 16, 2005
Location: Chetek Police Chief Bob Breidenbach has been charged with
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violating the county ordinance prohibiting disorderly conduct based
on an incident occurring Feb. 4, according to the Barron County
District Attorney's Office.
Also charged is Valerie Ferguson, 41, Breidenbach's girlfriend, who
was involved in the domestic altercation that led to the arrest of the
two individuals.
Both are scheduled for an initial court appearance Wednesday,

March 2, in front of Judge Edward R. Brunner.
Breidenbach, 58, was placed on paid administrative leave early last

week by Chetek Mayor Jerry Whitworth. Breidenbach will remain on
leave until the court case is resolved, Whitworth said. There has
been no interim police chief assigned, he added. However,

Whitworth said he has discussed police department operations with

Lieutenant Mark Petersen.
Assistant District Attorney Jim Babbitt prosecutes the county's

cases of alleged domestic abuse. Babbit said there are several
factors to consider when determining if a case should be tried as a
criminal case or an ordinance violation.
Babbit says he looks at the probability of the case to see what or if

any physical evidence is available to support either individual. He
also considers the relative harm caused in the case, such as
physical injuries to a person or damage to property. Another
consideration is if there are any available third party or
disinterested witnesses who can testify to the events of the case.
Babbit likened a county ordinance violation to a traffic violation. A

county ordinance violation is a non-criminal charge that carries a
maximum penalty of a $500 forfeiture. Unless the forfeiture is not
paid, there is no possible penalty of jail time.
Babbit said no specific details regarding the case or the individuals

involved will be released while the case is pending.
Mayor discusses changes in police procedure

Whitworth said he has expressed changes he'd like to see in the
Chetek Police Department with Lieutenant Mark Petersen.
Whitworth stated he'd like police officers to be more visible within

the city limits and spend less time on highways with radar guns.
"Watching the highway is not our job, it's the state police's,"
Whitworth said.
He would also prefer that police officers not hang around

establishments outside of city limits, such as Gilligans and
Mulligan's, waiting to pull over drivers, Whitworth explained.
"I want the young officers to get out of their cars and go into the
restaurants, bars and stores and introduce themselves to the
owners and get to know the people," Whitworth commented. "Right
now they are just riding around waiting to catch someone. That's
not their fault. It was what they were taught."
A police commission meeting will be held Thursday, Feb. 17, at 7 p.

m. in City Hall. The meeting is open to the public.
©The Chetek Alert 2005
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Joann Jaeger
Feb, 17 2005
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quote:
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The chief of Police, Bob Briedenbach , should set an

example for our community... he should be dismissed...
I believe if you check the files in city hall, many
residence have filed complaints against him in the past.
the abuse problems he has not only from the present
but from his past should be dealt with now when the
opportunity is upon us. Mayor Whitmore is right
regarding the police officers of Chetek, they should not
be taking their breaks at Norm's restaurant and Gas
Plus more than 15 minutes.....and it would not hurt the
image of the City of Chetek..if one of our officers
walked the beat downtown on occasion. Joann and
Bernie Jaeger
M Wilson
Feb, 16 2005
quote:
Do you really think that this man is a good role model

for our young children? I don't! When you have the
"cheif of police" sitting in jail what are our children
going to think. That it is ok to do wrong; like fighting.
So in that case I hope that the justice system takes our
kids into consideration. Like I said before, just because

he is the "cheif" he shouldn't get special treatment, he

should get what other citizens would get. After all the
law is the law. I think that being the "cheif" you should
only get One Strike then your out! Aren't we supposed
to have trust in our police force? Well I think everyone
would agree with me in saying I don't trust the cheif of
Chetek! What's right is right, what's wrong is wrong
PERIOD!!!!!!!!!
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02-20-2005 02:15 PM
Navigatr1 Chetek chief’s attorney enters not guilty plea

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The Chronotype
Registered: Jul 2003 Wednesday, February 23, 2005
Location: Volume 130, Issue 26
Posts: 31403 www.ricelakeonline.com
Page 3
The attorney for Chetek police chief Robert L. Breidenbach has

entered a plea of not guilty to disorderly conduct on behalf of his
client.
Based on that plea, Breidenbach and his attorney Harry Hertel of

Eau Claire will not appear in Barron County Circuit Court for an
initial hearing on the noncriminal charge on Wednesday, March 2.
Breidenbach, 57, and Valerie Ferguson, 41, of Dallas are charged

with disorderly conduct based on a Feb. 4 incident.
Ferguson called 911 from Breidenbach’s Chetek residence at about

5:19 p.m. She then told the dispatcher there was no problem.
When questioned by the dispatcher, Ferguson then said she’d been

assaulted by Breidenbach. She told the dispatcher that she was
leaving the residence and would be fine.
Law enforcement officers responded to Breidenbach’s residence.

Breidenbach and Ferguson were subsequently arrested for domestic
disorderly conduct, booked in at the Barron County jail and released.
Ferguson is scheduled to appear March 2 for an initial hearing on

the charge. Maximum penalty is a $500 fine.
Breidenbach was hired as Chetek’s police chief in 1999. He is on

paid administrative leave pending the outcome of the case. Lt. Mark
Petersen is acting as interim police
chief.
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03-02-2005 04:10 PM
Navigatr1 Chief's case headed for trial

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March 02, 2005
Location: After pleading not guilty to the violation of a county ordinance
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charge of domestic disorderly conduct, Chetek Police Chief Bob
Breidenbach is apparently headed to court for a trial.
Breidenbach, 58, and his girlfriend, Valerie Ferguson, 41, both
entered pleas of not guilty prior to their scheduled Wednesday,
March 2 initial appearance.
Assistant District Attorney Jim Babbitt estimated a trial would take

place on a Monday, probably in mid-April. Babbitt said he didn't

expect either Breidenbach or Ferguson to attend the initial hearing
due to their early pleas.
If found guilty of the county ordinance, which is not a criminal

charge, Breidenbach and Ferguson would face a maximum penalty
of $500 in fines, but no jail time.
The case stems from an incident that occurred Feb. 4 when
Ferguson dialed 911 and told dispatch officers she was being
assaulted by Breidenbach. Both Ferguson and Breidenbach were
arrested.
Breidenbach and Ferguson have a right to a jury trial if they submit

a written request within 10 days of their initial appearance. There is
a $36 fee for the jury trial, and six jurors would hear the case.
Breidenbach continues to be on paid administrative leave from the

police department. Lt. Mark Petersen is serving as interim police
chief.
City Clerk Carmen Newman said city officials are awaiting the
results of the court proceedings before making decisions regarding
Breidenbach's future.
Breidenbach has enlisted the services of attorney Harry Hertel of
Eau Claire. Mindy Dale of Eau Claire is the attorney who handles
personnel issues on behalf of the city, Newman said.
Newman added that the police department will continue to operate

shorthanded until the case is resolved.
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http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/1326167.html
3/2/05
Location: CHETEK POLICE CHIEF ROBERT BREIDENBACH HAD HIS FIRST
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COURT DATE TODAY REGARDING A CHARGE OF DOMESTIC
DISORDERLY CONDUCT.
HIS LAWYER, SUBMITTED A NOT GUILTY PLEA TO THE JUDGE

BREIDENBACH IS ACCUSED OF ASSAULTING HIS GIRLFRIEND
AFTER AUTHORITIES INVESTIGATED TWO 9-1-1 HANG-UP CALLS
ON FEBRUARY 4TH.
BREIDENBACH'S CHARGE INVOLVES A LOCAL ORDINANCE
VIOLATION, RATHER THAN STATE LAW, AND DOES NOT REQUIRE
THE ACCUSED TO MAKE AN APPERANCE IN COURT.
IT CARRIES A MAXIMUM FIVE-HUNDRED-DOLLAR FINE.

BREIDENBACH IS FIGHTING THE CHARGE AND A JURY TRIAL IS
SCHEDULED IN A COUPLE WEEKS
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03-02-2005 10:57 PM

Navigatr1 Chief pleads no contest to disorderly conduct

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Chetek Police Chief Bob Breidenbach avoided a jury trial in
Barron County Circuit Court by entering a "no contest" plea
to disorderly conduct charges Tuesday, July 12.
The court was advised through a letter from Breidenbach's

attorney, Harry Hertel of Hertel and Gibbs, S.C., that his client
would be accepting the terms of a plea agreement offered by the
Barron County District Attorney's Office. A no contest plea is not an
admission of guilt, but an acknowledgement from the parties that
they do not wish to dispute the charge. The only stipulation noted
by Hertel was that Breidenbach requested 60 days to pay the $181
forfeiture instead of 30 days.
On Wednesday, July 13, the court received a letter from Les Liptak
of Mullen Law Group - the attorney representing Ferguson -
notifying the court that his client also accepted the terms of the
plea agreement. Ferguson also requested an extra 30 days for
payment to be made.
Barron County Circuit Court Judge Edward Brunner made the plea
agreement official on Wednesday, July 13, as he accepted the no
contest pleas and judged Breidenbach and Ferguson guilty of
disorderly conduct. The jury trial in the case was scheduled to begin
July 21.
The charges stemmed from an incident Friday, Feb. 4, in which

Barron County Sheriff's Department Dispatch received two 911
hang-up calls shortly after 5 p.m. After the second hang-up,
dispatch returned the call and a female - later identified as 41-year-
old Valerie Ferguson - answered. Dispatch asked the woman if
there was a problem, and she said, "No." Dispatch asked again if
she was sure, and the female said she had just been assaulted by
"Bob," but she was leaving and would be fine.
A Chetek police officer was dispatched to Breidenbach's residence

at 711 Pleasure Street after the two 911 calls were made. Upon
learning of the chief's involvement, the officer requested mutual aid
from the Barron County Sheriff's Department. Two deputies then
responded to the scene and handled the arrests. Breidenbach and
Ferguson were both initially arrested on a charge of disorderly
conduct-domestic abuse related following the incident.

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Navigatr1 Clarification on chief charges

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July 27, 2005
Location: In the article "Chief pleads no contest to disorderly
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conduct," that appeared in the Thursday, July 21, 2005,
edition of The Chetek Alert, it was incorrectly stated that
Chetek Police Chief Bob Breidenbach and Valerie Ferguson
faced charges of disorderly conduct-domestic abuse, and as
a result of the plea agreement in the case, the domestic
abuse modifier was dropped from the charge of disorderly
conduct.
Breidenbach and Ferguson were initially arrested on charges of

disorderly conduct-domestic abuse in accordance with State
Statutes 947.01 and 968. When Barron County Assistant District
Attorney James Babbitt filed the official charges, Breidenbach and
Ferguson were each formally charged with a simple violation of the
county's disorderly conduct ordinance, rather than the state
criminal charges. There was no domestic abuse modifier attached to
the formal charges.
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Navigatr1 Breidenbach signs resignation offer

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Registered: Jul 2003 August 10, 2005

Location:
Posts: 31403 After six and a half years as the Chetek Chief of Police, Bob
Breidenbach has signed an offer from the city which will end
his term of office effective Wednesday, Aug. 31.
According to City Clerk Carmen Newman, while an agreement has

been signed, it has not been officially accepted by the city. Barring
any complications, this should take place next week says Newman.
Once the agreement becomes official, it will become a part of the
public record.
"I've been in the public sector for more than 35 years serving in
several different duty assignments. I'm 58 years-old and past
retirement. That should speak for itself," replied Breidenbach when
asked why he chose to accept an agreement with the city. In 1999,
when Breidenbach was hired, he informed the city council then that
it was his intent to serve his duty and retire following his time with
Chetek.
This action follows months of scrutiny by the Board of Police

Commissioners which was, at first, precipitated by formal and
informal complaints from residents against Breidenbach and his
leadership of the police department.
"This has been a difficult duty assignment, no question about that,"

added Breidenbach. "I've received numerous citations and
recognitions in my career, but that isn't something anyone here
would accept or realize."
Concerns about the chief's leadership continued after Breidenbach

was charged with violating the county ordinance prohibiting

disorderly conduct based on an incident occurring in his home on

Feb. 4. He recently entered a "no contest" plea to the disorderly
conduct charges and was fined $181. Breidenbach was placed on a
three-month paid administrative leave following the incident.
The City of Chetek issued a letter to Breidenbach with the

conditions of a buy-out offer on Tuesday, July 26. Consideration of
a buy-out began mid-June after Mayor Jerry Whitworth accepted a
letter from Breidenbach in which he wrote, "I am under the
impression that the city would prefer to appoint a new police chief.
This preference has been made clear in several conversations with
yourself and members of the council."
At that time Breidenbach stated that he would be willing to

negotiate an agreement for his departure if a "mutually
advantageous solution that meets the needs of both parties" could
be reached.
"I have three kids. Two I never got to see play ball because of this
job. I have one chance left with my daughter, and I am going to
watch her play ball," said a determined Breidenbach. The chief
added that in his career he has been shot, knifed, had his dog shot,
had bullets holes put in his house, rocks thrown through windows,
and tires slashed. "It's time to have a personal life and live like a
human being."
Breidenbach submitted a signed agreement on Thursday, Aug. 4.

One of the conditions of the agreement states that Breidenbach will
remain as a consultant to the department until the end of the year.
When the agreement becomes official, the police commission will be

charged with selecting a new police chief and submitting their
recommendations to the Chetek Common Council for approval.
Meanwhile, the police commissioners are undertaking a project of

reviewing the budget and staffing plans of similar municipalities
within the state. This review will help the commission to understand
how Chetek operates in comparison to like communities.
"A comparison is more than looking at population numbers. We

must look at community structure. Since Chetek is a resort and
tourist community, we have different needs during the summer
months," explained Ronnie Latcham, police commission president,
in explaining one of the board's current goals.
If the contract offer is officially accepted later next week, then the
commission will need to establish a strategy for the filling of the
police chief position. The police department and commission are
currently in the process of hiring new part-time officers for the city.
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Navigatr1 City agrees to salary increase as condition of Chief's release

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Location:
Posts: 31403 In the release and resignation agreement between the City
of Chetek and Bob Breidenbach, the city has agreed to
retroactively increase the police chief's salary by $10,000.
Breidenbach has been working for the city without a contract since
January 1, 2004. Continued employment without a contract is
possible under Wisconsin state statute which states that
employment of a police chief will continue unless both parties agree
to terminate employment.
The police chief salary for 2004 was increased from $48,652.86 to
$58,652.86. Breidenbach received a lump sum payment for back
pay for hours from Jan. 1, 2004, until Aug. 2, 2005. This amount
came to $25,769.30.
Since Breidenbach will continue to be under contract with

the city until Dec. 31, 2005, he will receive nine pay-outs at
the newly negotiated rate of $2,255.88 per pay period, or
$20,302.92.
According to Chetek City Clerk/ Treasurer Carmen Newman, the city

had some funds within the budget to help cover the increased
expense; however, it will still have an impact.
"The city is not anticipating having a police chief in place until after
Jan. 1, 2006 so the city will not be double paying the position,"
stated Newman. "This will be of some help to the budget."

The release agreement also states that Breidenbach will have no

regularly scheduled work hours after Sept. 1, 2005, but shall be
available for consultation until the end of the year. The agreement
instructs that all consultation shall take place through Ronnie
Latcham, president of the Board of Police Commissioners, or his
designee.
In addition to the salary increase, Breidenbach has 536 hours of

accumulated sick days which can be used to maintain his health
insurance, including any supplemental insurance Breidenbach
maintains personally, until the equivalent value of the accumulated
time is exhausted.
Breidenbach may also qualify for the COBRA plan under the city.
COBRA refers to the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation
Act of 1985, which requires most employers with group health plans
to offer employees the opportunity to continue temporarily their
group health care coverage under their employer's plan if their
coverage otherwise would cease due to termination, layoff, or other
change in employment status.
"He may also take the hours as a 75 percent cash pay-out,"

explained Newman. "He can remain covered either until the sick
leave hours or COBRA benefits are exhausted, whichever is longer."
The total value of Breidenbach's accumulated sick leave hours is
equal to $15,115.20.
Other agreements reached under the release state that

Breidenbach's personnel file shall reflect that he retired.
Future letters of reference will state the dates of
employment, starting and ending salaries ($39,000 and
$58,652.86), and will be supplemented with a list of
accomplishments during his tenure as chief of police. These
accomplishments were unspecified in the agreement.
The document also includes standard statements concerning the

release from the right to sue the City of Chetek, and a waiver of
future claims against the city.
The agreement, which became binding on Aug. 10, is subject to

disclosure under Wisconsin's public records laws; however,
Breidenbach has the right to be notified in advance of any release
of the document.
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Barron County vs. Robert L Breidenbach
Barron County Case Number 2005FO000134 (6.27 KB)
9.01 -- Disorderly Conduct -- Forf. U -- Guilty / No Contest

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Navigatr1 According to court documents:

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05-1947
Location: Robert L Breidenbach
Posts: 31403 711 Pleasure Street
Chetek, WI 54728
http://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail...ew+Case+Details
Robert L Breidenbach
790 Jane Spur Rd
Gleason, WI 54435
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Sauk, County of vs. Robert L Breidenbach
Sauk County Case Number 2007TR009310 (6.78 KB)
347.48(2m) -- Mandatory Seatbelts Requirement -- Forf. U --

Location:
Guilty Due to No Contest Plea
Posts: 31403
Attachment: robert l breidenbach criminalcasedetails120388.pdf

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Registered: Jul 2003 Breidenbach's residence at 711 Pleasure Street

Location:
Posts: 31403

05-1947
Robert L Breidenbach
711 Pleasure Street
Chetek, WI 54728
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COPWATCH.com Forum > NEWS SECTION > US INLAND NEWS (All the interior
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Navigatr1 Chetek Mayor Jerry Whitworth arrested on domestic charges

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Location:
Posts: 31403 Chetek Mayor Jerry Whitworth was arrested Friday, Aug. 3, for
alleged domestic battery after an incident that allegedly occurred
Thursday, Aug. 2.
According to Barron County Sheriff Tom Richie, county deputies

were asked to respond to Whitworth's residence, located at
418 Lakeview Drive in Chetek, at approximately 5:30 p.m. on
Friday. Deputies took Whitworth into custody at the request of the
Chetek Police Department, and Whitworth was transported to the

Barron County Jail, where he was later released on a $500 cash

bond.
Specific details were not available as of press time, as the official

criminal complaint had not yet been filed with District Attorney
Angela Holmstrom. However, Richie did say that Whitworth, 70,
was arrested for allegedly having physical contact with his wife,
Lorraine, 65, Thursday, Aug. 2, at approximately 10 p.m. Alcohol is
believed to have been involved.
According to the daily patrol log of the Chetek Police Department,

Lorraine Whitworth called the department at 5:05 p.m. on Friday,
Aug. 3, asking to file a report that "her husband locked her out of
the house last night and when she cut the screen and crawled in
through the bedroom window, her husband [Jerry Whitworth] hit
her in the face, bending her glasses and scratching her by the eye."
Whitworth was advised that to file a report, she needed to submit a
written statement. The county was then contacted to handle the
matter. At approximately 5:30 p.m., deputies took Jerry Whitworth
into custody with no resistance.
Whitworth released a statement pertaining to the charges late

Tuesday afternoon. The letter states the following: "On Thursday
evening, 8/2/07, at my Chetek residence I was sleeping with my air
mask and CPAP machine running. I awoke startled to the bedroom
window being entered and shoved the person, who I believed was a
burglar, off from me with my forearm. The person who entered the
window was my wife. On Friday evening, 8/3/07, Barron County
Sheriff's deputies arrived at my residence and I was taken to
Barron County. I returned home after bond was posted. All further
information will be released after the scheduled court date August
29."
The case is expected to be forwarded to the district attorney's office

for possible formal charges later this week.
Chetek Mayor Jerry Whitworth

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Navigatr1 Chetek mayor formally charged with battery

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Chetek mayor formally charged with battery

Registered: Jul 2003 September 05, 2007

Location:
Posts: 31403 Chetek Mayor Jerry L. Whitworth made his initial appearance in
Barron County Circuit Court, Wednesday, Aug. 29, to face charges
of misdemeanor battery-domestic abuse.
Whitworth, 70, of Chetek, pleaded not guilty to the charge that

he struck his wife, Lorraine D. Whitworth, 65, in the face the
evening of Thursday, Aug. 2. He was released on a $500 cash bond,
with the conditions that he have no contact with his estranged wife,
that he must not possess or consume alcoholic beverages, and he
must not enter any bars, taverns, or liquor stores.
Whitworth was elected mayor in 2004 and reelected in 2006. His

position is up for election again in spring.
According to the criminal complaint, filed Tuesday, Aug. 28,

Deputy Mike Reinikainen from the Barron County Sheriff's
Department was asked to go to the Chetek Police Department on
Friday, Aug. 3, at approximately 5:25 p.m., to take a report of a
domestic dispute. Reinikainen reported that when he arrived at the
Chetek Police Department, he met with Lorraine Whitworth, who
was completing a statement regarding an incident that occurred
with her husband on the previous evening of Thursday, Aug. 2.
Reinikainen reported that when he spoke with Whitworth, her

glasses were bent and sat crooked on her face, and she had a small
swollen area below her right eye. Whitworth reported she had a
verbal argument with her husband earlier in the afternoon on
Thursday, Aug. 2, when she saw he was drinking at a bar in
Chetek. Whitworth stated Jerry went to bed at approximately 8: 15
p.m., and put his sleep apnea machine on. Lorraine reported she
left the residence a short time later and both the front and back
doors were unlocked when she left. She reported she returned
home to the residence at approximately 10 p.m., and observed

both the front and back doors were locked. Lorraine claimed this
was very unusual because neither she nor her husband ever lock
the doors.
Lorraine reported she gained entry into the residence through a

screen and started crawling into the bedroom when she heard Jerry
yell, "Get out of here." Lorraine said she repeatedly told Jerry that
it was her and that he had locked her out of the residence. Lorraine
said Jerry told her to get out, and she stated she was coming into
the residence. Lorraine added she continued to tell Jerry that it was
her and that he had locked her out of the house. Lorraine claimed
that Jerry then took off his sleep apnea mask and slapped Lorraine
with the back of his hand across the face. Lorraine alleged Jerry
used his right hand, and it bent her glasses and caused a small
bruise on her cheek. Lorraine also reported that Jerry pushed her
against the wall and initially caused her pain on her right arm by
squeezing it.
Lorraine also requested the 72-hour no-contact provision be

enforced.
Reinikainen stated he then met with Jerry at his residence, and

asked Jerry if he had gotten into an altercation with Lorraine the
prior evening. Jerry allegedly stated he had "smacked her" when
she started to crawl into the house through the screen. Jerry
reported he hit her with a closed fist. Jerry further reported he had
been drinking, but he did not feel intoxicated. Reinikainen also
reported that Jerry stated he knew what he was doing at the time
of the incident.
Jerry Whitworth is scheduled to appear in court Wednesday, Oct.

17, for a plea hearing.
Lorraine Whitworth filed for an annulment on Friday, Aug. 17. A

hearing on a temporary order is schedule for Friday, Sept. 28.
Lorraine Whitworth was also granted a one-year restraining order
against Jerry Whitworth on Thursday, Aug. 23.
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Navigatr1 According to public records

Extended Sabatical http://www.zabasearch.com/query1_za...y=&name_style=1
JERRY L WHITWORTH
418 LAKEVIEW DR
Registered: Jul 2003 CHETEK, WI 54728
Location:
Posts: 31403 Born Jun 1937
(715) 924-2065
Recorded: Unknown
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GOT FREE SPEECH?
According to public records
http://www.zabasearch.com/query1_za...
Registered: Mar 2007 y=&name_style=1
Posts: 1060 JERRY L WHITWORTH
418 LAKEVIEW DR
CHETEK, WI 54728
Born Jun 1937

(715) 924-2065
Recorded: Unknown

quote:
According to Barron County Sheriff Tom Richie, county

deputies were asked to respond to Whitworth's
residence, located at 418 Lakeview Drive in Chetek
The newspaper listed this public servants address, I wonder if they

will be targeted saying they placed the Mayor in danger? That is
what Ouachita Parish Louisiana does when you take information
from a public source and re-list it on this website according to past
actions!
According to Ouachita Parish Louisiana Sheriff Richard Fewell Sr.
"Nine out of ten divorces have restraining orders" (this was a direct
quote from Fewell to KNOE TV)
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Registered: Jul 2003 The newspaper listed this public servants address, I
Location: wonder if they will be targeted saying they placed the
Posts: 31403 Mayor in danger?
Great catch CC Rider. I missed the address published in the

Newspaper when I quickly scanned over the article. Since you
confirmed the address, I posted the map. Of course, this website
will probably get blamed for that too. On the other hand, these
politicians feel this should be public information unless it is them
getting caught.
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Johnthesalesman Come on guys. This old man has such a kind, red (from drinking
Incompletely Registered - alcohol alone?) face. Leave him alone.
Possibly a SOL
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CC Rider quote:
GOT FREE SPEECH?
Great catch CC Rider. I missed the address
published in the Newspaper when I quickly
Registered: Mar 2007 scanned over the article. Since you confirmed the
Location: Behind You address, I posted the map. Of course, this
Posts: 1060 website will probably get blamed for that too. On
the other hand, these politicians feel this should
be public information unless it is them getting
caught.
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A lot of news papers have a Police Beat Section that list all arrest -
complete with address, age etc.
Others have every call that was investigated over a certain period
of time.

Either way they publish plenty of information that anyone could

figure out, but when it appears on the internet it is labeled a
scandal? IE: the reference to Cop Watch in the local news media.
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states) > WISCONSIN > Suspicious helicopter circling in NE Wisconsin
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RoadRanger1 Suspicious helicopter circling in NE Wisconsin

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Earlier tonight, a blue jet/long ranger with a white belly and what
looked to be a camera pod mounted on the port side aft of the
doors circled the west side of my city (small city, only 8,000 or so
people) for nearly 10 minutes.
So far I've checked the tv stations for every major city, and 4
Registered: May 2010 charter services, with no result so far.
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 88 Does anyone here know of n easier way I might find out what it
was?
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Jacoba I wouldn't get too freaked out about it. I have a relative who flies a
Senior Member helo for a large state power authority and he spends a good bit of
his time flying power lines with a camera equipped helicopter taking
Registered: Jun 2009 video of the lines and power distribution system for the authorities
Location: engineers to look at.
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He also takes video and stills of power plants, sub stations and high
tension wires.
The chopper he flies is a normal looking civilian Bell 206 with a

huge pod on the nose that contains two or three cameras.
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RoadRanger1 actually, I'm not freaked out, more curious to the extreme. And it
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area, kind of like they were searching for something. I'll PM you a
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RoadRanger1 I definately have to remember what brand of film I used - so I

TEMPORARILY BANNED know not to buy it again!
These didn't turn out very well, even though I had the camera on a
tr****. The fuzzyness of the film reminds me of those cheap
disposables, only my camera is a canon SLR
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RoadRanger1 Well, NOW I'm sightly pissed!

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Yesterday afternoon, ANOTHER helicopter buzzed my place! This
time it was an Enstrom, either a 280 or f28, which not only circled
the area but briefly hovered above the house across the street
before leaving the city on an easterly course!
I'm calling the FAA and/or nearest air controller on Tuesday and try
to find out what the hell's going on. If they won't tell me, then I'll
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RoadRanger1 Just to document(going by the sound of engine/rotors), the SAME

TEMPORARILY BANNED DAMNED ENSTROM HELICOPTER just circled my part of town an
hour ago, waking me up!
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COPWATCH.com Forum - Eau Claire social worker Heather L Kimbro suspended for relationship w Stanley inmate
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relationship w Stanley inmate
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Navigatr1 Eau Claire social worker Heather L Kimbro suspended for relationship w
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Updated: 06/09/2010 11:18:16 AM CDT
State regulators recently suspended an Eau Claire social worker

who entered into an inappropriate relationship with an inmate while
working at Stanley Correctional Institution.
Heather L. Kimbro, 30, 2610 Nimitz St., had her certificate to

practice as a social worker in Wisconsin suspended for at least 18

months by the Social Worker Section of the Wisconsin Marriage and
Family Therapy, Professional Counseling and Social Work Examining
Board.
The action stemmed from Kimbro's actions while employed as a

social worker at the Stanley prison, where she provided group
counseling from July to October 2009 to an inmate who later was
transferred to Jackson Correctional Institution in Black River Falls.
The board's final decision indicates Kimbro entered into a secret

relationship with the inmate in which they shared several
suggestive letters and about 18 telephone conversations, which
were recorded by the prisons. Kimbro rented a post office box in
Eau Claire for the sole purpose of exchanging personal mail with the
inmate.
However, the state Department of Corrections has a fraternization

policy that forbids employees from having nonwork-related
relationships with inmates without approval from the appropriate
DOC authority. Kimbro never contacted her supervisor or any DOC
authority about her relationship with the inmate and was in
violation of the policy, the document states.
The board ruled that Kimbro's conduct, which had the potential to
create a conflict of interest, amounted to "gross negligence in
practice" and unprofessional conduct.
She was placed on administrative leave with pay on Dec. 17 and

resigned five days later.
Kimbro could petition the Social Worker Section for termination of

her suspension after 18 months if she has undergone an
assessment by a mental health provider and meets other
conditions. She also was ordered to pay $750 to cover the cost of
her disciplinary proceedings.
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Heather L. Kimbro, 30, 2610 Nimitz St.

Location:
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Heather L. Kimbro
2610 Nimitz St.
Eau Claire, WI 54701
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Stanley (WQOW) - State regulators pull the license of an Eau Claire
social worker they say entered into an inappropriate relationship
with a Stanley Prison inmate.
According to a case filed by the Social Work Examining

Board, Heather Kimbro of Eau Claire met an inmate while
counseling in the summer of 2009. Records show Kimbro
exchanged several romantic letters with an inmate, and later
phone calls.
In January of this year the documents show the two were preparing
for his release. Kimbro was put on paid administrative leave last
December while the investigation took place. On December 22
she resigned, then on May 2, her license was suspended.
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Cornell Police Chief wants one of his officers removed
http://www.weau.com/news/headlines/95665149.html
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John Barnier says officer Stacey Canfield failed to enforce laws and
ordinances and follow up on investigations.
Reporter: WEAU 13 Staff

Email Address: news@weau.com
The Cornell Police Chief says he wants one of his officers removed.

In a letter to the President of the Cornell Police Commission, Chief

John Barnier says officer Stacey Canfield failed to enforce laws
and ordinances and follow up on investigations.
In the letter, the chief says Canfield did things like fight with people
at a bar and associate with people under criminal investigation.
A hearing on those issues is tentatively scheduled for June 24th and

will be open to the public.
Canfield could face suspension, a reduction in rank or

removal. We were unable to reach canfield for comment Friday
night.
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job. The city files a list of complaints against her.
Among those complaints, the officer is accused of failing to follow

up on numerous investigations and disappearing while on duty.
Cornell Police Officer Stacey Canfield has been on paid leave since
May 21st. The city recently filed 17 complaints against her. Through
an open records request we have obtained a letter sent by Cornell's
police chief to the Police and Fire Commission.

In the letter, the Police Chief John Barnier says Canfield has "Failed
to enforce traffic laws and City ordinances as evidenced by the fact
that she writes very few citations."
On top of that, she's also accused of not following up on

investigations, ignoring citizen complaints and associating with
people involved in criminal investigations.
There have also been questions raised about how she spends her
time at work. Barnier says Canfield "Spent an excessive amount of
on-duty time socializing on her cell phone, visiting with others both
in and out of her squad car, parking in her squad car in secluded
areas, and using the Department internet for non-Department
business."
Documents also show Canfield was involved in a fight with two of

her friends and she's also accused of playing a game of what's
called headlight tag in her own vehicle with another private vehicle.
The police and fire commission could hold a hearing later this
month to address the complaints. Once the hearing is held the
commission could decide to take further action against Canfield.
The chief is recommending she be removed from the job.
We reached out to her attorney who declined to comment. Canfield

has been with the department since 2002.
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A Cornell police officer has been on paid leave since May 21 after
the city’s police chief filed a complaint against her.
Police Chief John Barnier spelled out the allegations against Officer
Stacey Canfield, who has worked for the department since 2002, in
a letter to the president of the Cornell Police Commission, Chuck
Keller.
Barnier wants Canfield fired, according to a letter obtained by the

Herald by using a Wisconsin Open Records request.
According to Barnier:
- Canfield was involved in a fight with two of her male friends;
- She played headlight tag (hide-and-seek) with her private vehicle

with another in the city;
- She associated with people under criminal investigation;
- She spoke derogatorily about others in the police department,

including her supervisors. She also publicly criticized the
department, undermining discipline, harmony and efficiency.
- She frequently used the department computer for non-work

related websites.
- Citizens complained about her, saying they did not want her to
investigate their case or complaint.
- “Officer Canfield has been insubordinate, specifically by refusing

and failing to return a badge as instructed by (Barnier),” the
complaint says.
Barnier said Canfield failed to enforce traffic laws, and wrote few
citations. He claims she spent an “excessive” time socializing while
on duty, and also spent her on-duty time at her residence outside
of the city limits.
He claims Canfield ignored citizen complains and failed providing

community-based policing in part by “failing to engage and
maintain close working relations with community business people
and citizens.”
Barnier is asking the commission to schedule a hearing on the

complaint within 30 days of May 21. The hearing would be open to

the public and Canfield would be able to have an attorney represent

her.
Canfield's attorney is Andrew D. Schaurer, a lawyer with the

Wisconsin Professional Police Association.
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Location:
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be laid out in a public hearing next week.
Stacey Canfield has been on paid leave from the Cornell Police
Department since May 21st. That's when more than a dozen
complaints were filed against her by the city.
Canfield is accused of failing to enforce traffic laws and ordinances

by writing very few tickets, not following up on investigations and
using a work computer to send in-appropriate emails. A public
hearing with the Police and Fire Commission has been scheduled for
June 24th. The chief is asking the PFC to remove her from the job.
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Yeah, I'm sorry but I stopped reading right there. That is the whole
basis for the Chief, City, et al wanting her gone.
She's not a revenue generator, so in their eyes she's not needed.
Pathetic.
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By RYAN J. FOLEY, Associated Press Writer

Registered: Feb 2007 Tue Jan 13, 10:27 pm ET
Location: Florida
Posts: 577 MADISON, Wis. – A Wisconsin lawmaker was formally charged
Tuesday with his third drunken driving offense and marijuana
possession after a car crash last month.
Rep. Jeffrey Wood was arrested Dec. 12 by a state trooper

responding to reports of a drunken driver on Interstate 90. His
vehicle had smashed into a signpost and snowbank before returning
to the road. A criminal complaint against him said Wood told the
trooper he did not know how his car got a flat tire and "suggested
that it happened during parking."

Wood has apologized for using poor judgment but has rejected calls
to resign. He is scheduled for a court appearance on the charges
Feb. 4.
A third offense of drunken driving carries a jail term of between 30

days and one year and the loss of a driver's license for up to three
years. An ignition interlock device may be installed for up to one
year when driving privileges resume.
Columbia County District Attorney Jane Kohlwey said her office is

still considering whether to add civil charges of public urination and
failure to remain at the scene of an accident.
His attorney, Tracey Wood, said she had not reviewed the
complaint and could not comment on it. She said the lawmaker
hired her to make sure he was not treated more harshly than other
defendants because of his high-profile job. The attorney and
lawmaker are not related.
Wisconsin has the highest rate of drunken driving in the nation,

according to a federal study released last year. The current
Legislature is considering tougher laws, including proposals making
first-offense drunken driving a crime instead of a civil infraction and
making third and fourth offenses felonies instead of misdemeanors.
Wood, 39, of Bloomer is the only independent in the Legislature.

Democrats who won control of the Assembly made him a committee
chairman last year, but he gave up that post after his arrest.
Driving records show Wood was convicted of drunken driving in

1990 and 1991. For the first conviction, his license was suspended
eight months; for the second, it was revoked 18 months.
Wood was elected to the Assembly in 2002 and has been re-elected
ever since then.
The marijuana charge carries up to six months behind bars, while

the drug paraphernalia charge could mean a 30-day term,
according to the criminal complaint.
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Navigatr1 State Rep. Jeff Wood of Bloomer faces OWI charge

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State Rep. Jeff Wood of Bloomer faces OWI charge

Location: Fourth drunken-driving arrest for Bloomer Independent
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By Jeff Starck
Wausau Daily Herald
RIB MOUNTAIN -- State Rep. Jeff Wood of Bloomer was arrested

Wednesday night near Wausau on suspicion of driving while
intoxicated, his fourth offense, just 10 months after his last arrest.
Wisconsin State Patrol troopers pulled over Wood after they were
alerted to a motorist driving recklessly in Portage County. A witness
following the vehicle told authorities she saw the car hit a curb and
almost crash into another vehicle, police said.
A state trooper stopped Wood's vehicle about 6:30 p.m. on

Interstate 39 north of Highway NN in the town of Rib Mountain,
according to the report. Wood, an Independent from Bloomer, told
police he was headed to Chippewa Falls from Madison.
After his arrest, Wood told the trooper and an Everest Metro Police
Department officer that he took six pills Wednesday prescribed to
him to treat anxiety, exceeding the recommended three pills daily,
according to a police report. He also admitted to taking two doses
of cough syrup in a three-hour time span that evening, police said.
Wood's district office phone number was disconnected Thursday,

and a message left at his Madison office was not returned.
Mark Jefferson, executive director of the Republican Party of

Wisconsin, called on Wood to resign, saying he was having "far too
much difficulty managing his own personal problems to cope with
the problems of a state in economic crisis."
Asked about his erratic driving, the 40-year-old lawmaker told

the trooper he was trying to find a spot on a map. The trooper
noticed Wood looked sleepy, and Wood initially denied drinking or
taking medication. A preliminary breath test conducted at the scene
showed Wood had no alcohol in his system, the report showed.
Wood was taken to Saint Clare's Hospital in Weston, where his

blood was drawn. He was medically cleared and released at about
10:40 p.m. to his father-in-law, police said.
The motorist who called 911 to report an erratic driver said she
tried to pass Wood's 1998 Buick at one point and he nearly
sideswiped her, the State Patrol report said.

The State Patrol said investigators found a prescription

bottle of Lorazepam with seven pills in it after stopping
Wood's car and noticing he looked sleepy. The prescription
of 45 pills had been filled Tuesday.
Asked where the remaining pills were, Wood said he

"thought they dumped out in his car," the report said.
The lawmaker was elected to the Assembly as a Republican in 2002

but quit the party in 2008 and became an Independent.
Wood was charged with third-offense drunken driving and

possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia after he
crashed into a highway sign in December in Columbia County
and a trooper saw him urinating on the side of Interstate 90 about
40 miles north of Madison.
Driving records show Wood was convicted of drunken

driving in 1990. His license was suspended for eight months.
He was stopped again in 1991 and refused to submit to a
blood alcohol test. He was convicted again and lost his
license for another 18 months.
Wood is scheduled to appear in Marathon County Circuit Court on

Dec. 9.
-- The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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State of Wisconsin vs. Jeffrey S. Wood
Eau Claire County Case Number 1991CM001817 (4.66 KB)

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Count No. -- Statute -- Description -- Severity

1) 346.63(1)(a) -- Operating While under Influence (2nd) -- Misd. U
2) 346.63(1)(b) -- Operating with PAC .08 or More (2nd) -- Misd. U
3) 946.41(1) -- Resisting or Obstructing an Officer -- Misd. A

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1) 943.24(1) -- Issue of Worthless Checks(<=$1000) -- Misd. A --
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Chippewa County Case Number 2004TR004963 (6.93 KB)

Location:
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1501 Miles St, Chippewa Falls, WI 54729
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1) 346.57(4)(h) -- Speeding in 55 MPH Zone (1-10 MPH) -- Forf. U
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1) 346.63(1)(a) -- Operating While under Influence (3rd) -- Misd. U
2) 346.63(1)(b) -- Operating with PAC .08 or More (3rd) -- Misd. U
3) 961.41(3g)(e) -- Possession of THC -- Misd. U
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Registered: Jul 2003 By Patrick Marley of the Journal Sentinel

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Madison — Rep. Jeff Wood announced Friday he had checked

himself into a treatment program, just as a fellow lawmaker
threatened to have him expelled from the Assembly for being
arrested on suspicion of driving after taking an anti-anxiety drug.
Also Friday, Gov. Jim Doyle said Wood needs to make a "big
decision" about his future.
Wood, an independent from Bloomer, was arrested Wednesday on

suspicion of operating while under the influence. It was his second
such arrest in less than a year; Wood, 40, has twice been convicted
of drunken driving, in 1990 and 1991.
According to State Patrol reports, Wood told officers he had

consumed cough syrup and anti-anxiety medication before he was
pulled over in Marathon County; no alcohol was detected in his
system.

Wood is separately fighting charges of third offense drunken driving

and possessing drugs and drug paraphernalia in Columbia County.
He released a statement to the Chippewa Herald that said: "As

many of you know I have struggled with alcoholism for most of my
adult life. This past summer I checked myself into an out-patient
drug and alcohol treatment program, which I am still enrolled in."
His statement said he recently checked himself into an inpatient

drug and alcohol treatment program at the Veterans Affairs Medical
Center in Minneapolis. The statement said he has been taking drugs
for anxiety prescribed by his doctor.
Wood did not return calls Thursday and Friday. His attorney, Tracey
Wood, declined to comment. The two are not related.
Rep. Stephen Nass (R-Whitewater) told Wood on Friday in a letter

that he was authoring a resolution to expel Wood from the
Assembly if he does not resign.
"It is clear by your recent conduct that profound personal issues

impede your ability to serve in the Assembly without bringing great
disrepute on the institution and the people of this state," Nass
wrote.
Expelling Wood would require a two-thirds vote of the Assembly.

Getting a two-thirds vote for anything is often difficult, but Wood
could have trouble fighting it because he does not belong to either
party.
Wood was elected as a Republican in 2002 but quit the party five
months before running for re-election last year. This year he has
lined up on budget matters with Democrats, who control the
Assembly.
Since Wisconsin became a state, only one legislator has been

expelled, according to the Legislative Reference Bureau. In 1917,
senators expelled Sen. Frank Raguse, a Milwaukee Socialist,
because he refused to retract statements his colleagues considered
disloyal to the U.S. government.
Doyle cites behavior
Before Nass sent his letter, Doyle said he was troubled by the new
allegations against Wood.
"You know there is a personal side of it for Representative Wood

that he really has to deal with, but we also have to recognize, as
alleged, this kind of driving puts the public at very grave risk,"
Doyle told reporters. "So I think he has a very big decision to make,
and if he doesn't the people in his district have a big decision to
make."
Wood was pulled over Wednesday on Highway 51 after a 911 caller

reported Wood was driving erratically. Wood stumbled during field

sobriety tests, and officers found a bottle of Lorazepam in his

pocket and cough syrup in his car.
He was arrested Dec. 12 in Columbia County with a blood-alcohol

level of 0.15, nearly twice the legal limit for driving, after he
crashed through a highway sign on I-39/90/94. Wood is arguing a
search of his vehicle that turned up marijuana and a pipe was illegal.
An officer found Wood's front license plate by the smashed sign in

December. When he was arrested Wednesday, he was cited for not
having a front license plate on the same 1998 Buick Skylark.
His recent arrest came as the Legislature is pushing for tougher

drunken driving laws. Wood voted with the rest of the Assembly last
week for a package of changes that include making fourth offenses
a felony if they occur within five years of the third offense.
Stacy Forster of the Journal Sentinel staff contributed to this report.
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State Rep. Jeff Wood’s attorney has considerable credentials
fighting drunken driving charges.
Wood is going to need her help, after being arrested in Marathon

County on suspicion of driving while intoxicated, his second such

arrest in less than a year and fourth overall.
Wood, an independent from Bloomer, was picked up Wednesday on

Highway 51 in the town of Rib Mountain outside Wausau for
allegedly driving under the influence of prescription and non-
prescription drugs, not alcohol, said Lt. Timothy Carnahan of the
State Patrol.
After his arrest Wednesday, Wood told investigators he had taken

six prescription pills of an anxiety drug — double the prescribed
dosage — and two doses of cough syrup, the police report said.
Wood, whose 67th district includes most of Chippewa County and

portions of Dunn and Barron counties, told the officers said he took
two doses of cough syrup at 3 p.m. and 6 p.m. Wood said he was
under a doctor’s care for drug and alcohol dependence, had also
taken an antidepressant within the previous 24 hours, and had four
hours of sleep the previous night.
The arrest follows charges against Wood in January of third-offense

intoxicated driving and comes as the Legislature seeks to crack
down on Wisconsin’s drunken driving culture. Wood voted with
other lawmakers in the Assembly last week to approve a drunken
driving bill that would make a fourth offense a felony in the state.
John Vose, a member of the advisory council of Mothers Against

Drunken Driving Wisconsin, said Wood should consider resigning if
the allegations against him are proven.
“It’s a reflection of the challenge that the whole state faces,” Vose
said of the allegations. “We really as a state have to get together
and say, ’No more.’”
Even if Wood is charged and convicted of a fourth offense, it would

not be a felony on his record because the bill now before the state
Senate would take effect after his arrest.
The State Patrol report shows Wood was pulled over at 6:30 p.m.
Wednesday after a witness reported that his 1998 Buick was
moving erratically and almost struck another vehicle.
The arresting State Patrol officer and another officer from the
Everest Metro Police Department reported that Wood appeared
sleepy and had with him a bottle of the anxiety medication
Lorazepam. The prescription had been filled on Tuesday with 45
pills, but the bottle only contained seven pills at the time of Wood’s
arrest, the report stated.
Asked where the remaining pills were, Wood said he “thought they
dumped out in his car,” the report said. He attributed his erratic
driving to “trying to find a spot on the map.”
A preliminary breathalyzer test on Wood did not detect alcohol. The

officer stopped a field sobriety test of Wood’s balance so that he

would not fall down. Wood was sent to St. Clare’s Hospital in
Weston and later released to his father-in-law.
Besides the OWI arrest, Woods was cited for inattentive driving and
ordered to appear in Marathon County Circuit Court on Dec. 9. He
was also given a warning ticket for failing to display a front license
plate.
Driving records show Wood was convicted of drunken driving in

1990. His license was suspended for eight months. He was stopped
again in 1991 and refused to submit to a blood alcohol test. He was
convicted again and lost his license for another 18 months.
In December, Wood was arrested in Columbia County as he was

making a 200-mile drive home after allegedly drinking in Madison.
Witnesses said Wood crashed into a highway sign, and a state

trooper said he found Wood urinating on the interstate shoulder.
Authorities said marijuana was found in Wood’s car.
Wood has pleaded not guilty in that ongoing case.
Wood’s attorney in the pending drunken driving case, Tracey Wood,

who is no relation, said she would also represent the lawmaker in
this latest case but said she could not comment further.
Tracey Wood is an author of “Challenging Prior Under Influence

Convictions” and has been named one of Madison’s best criminal
defense lawyers several times.
Rep. Wood has been in the spotlight since last year, when he
abruptly switched parties before the deadline for candidate
declarations from a Republican to an independent.
Mark Jefferson, executive director of the Republican Party of

Wisconsin, called on Wood to resign, saying Wood was having “far
too much difficulty managing his own personal problems to cope
with the problems of a state in economic crisis.“
Assembly Speaker Mike Sheridan, D-Janesville, said in a statement

he was “deeply troubled” by the arrest and would be closely
monitoring the case.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Rep. Wood's Statement
Wood is headed back into rehab, according to a press release

issued by his office Friday. The release says:
“As many of you know I have struggled with alcoholism for most of
my adult life. This past summer I checked myself into an outpatient
drug and alcohol treatment program, which I am still enrolled in.
“I have been taking medication prescribed to me by my doctor to

treat anxiety. Due to recent events, I have checked myself into the
inpatient AODA program at the VA Hospital in Minneapolis.”
Rep. Jeff Wood

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Representative
Jeffrey Wood
67th Assembly District
Location: Independent
Posts: 31403
Madison Office
Room 21 North
State Capitol
P.O. Box 8953
Madison, WI 53708
Voting Address
559 Roland St.
Chippewa Falls, WI 54729
Telephone
(608) 266-1194 Or
(888) 534-0067

District Telephone
(715) 726-9226
Fax
(608) 282-3667
Email
Rep.WoodJ@legis.wisconsin.gov
Biography
http://www.legis.wisconsin.gov/w3as...=67&display=bio
Born Juneau Co., September 12, 1969; married; 3 children.

Graduate Chippewa Falls Senior H.S. 1987; attended UW-Eau
Claire. Full-time legislator. Former small business owner and local
government reporter. Served in U.S. Navy and U.S. Naval Reserve
1986-94. Member: American Legion; Farm Bureau; Chamber of
Commerce. Former member: Libertarian Party of the Chippewa
Valley.
Elected to Assembly 2002; reelected since 2004.
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By Patrick Marley of the Journal Sentinel
Registered: Jul 2003 Posted: Dec. 15, 2008

Location:
Posts: 31403 Madison - State Rep. Jeff Wood (I-Bloomer) had a blood-alcohol
level of 0.15 - nearly twice the legal limit - when he was arrested
on suspicion of drunken driving and possession of marijuana,
according to a police report released Monday.
Wood, 39, was also suspected of possession of drug paraphernalia

after he was stopped at 2:11 a.m. Friday on I-39/90/94 in
Columbia County by the State Patrol. Wood had driven onto the
center median and smashed through a caution sign a few minutes
before he was stopped, says the State Patrol report.
He is to appear in court on Jan. 26.
Wood - the first independent elected to the Legislature in 80 years -

apologized in a statement.
"I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible behavior. . . . This is not

typical behavior for me, but unfortunately I drank too much and
exercised very poor judgment," he said.
It remains unclear how much marijuana Wood is suspected of

having, because his arrest report has not been released.
"Unless it is an extremely small amount, we generally charge

(marijuana possession) as a crime," said Columbia County District
Attorney Jane Kohlwey, who had not reviewed the arrest report
Monday.
Wood's arrest comes as lawmakers are looking at toughening state

drunken-driving laws. Wisconsin is the only state where first-
offense drunken driving is a civil offense instead of a crime.
At least five other Wisconsin lawmakers have been arrested for

drunken driving: Senate Majority Leader Russ Decker (D-Weston),
Sen. Mike Ellis (R-Neenah), Rep. Jason Fields (D-Milwaukee), Rep.
David Travis (D-Waunakee) and Rep. Frank Boyle (D-Superior).
The State Patrol received two complaints about Wood around 2 a.

m. Friday.
Truck driver Gary Coughlan said he saw Wood's 1998 Buick Skylark
drive on the left shoulder, drift onto a snowbank along the median,
and hit a sign warning of gusty winds. The front of the car came
several feet off the ground before it returned to the road and
continued, he said. Wood then drove at erratic speeds until he was
stopped about five minutes later, Coughlan said.

Coughlan, of Winnipeg, Canada, said he was surprised to learn later

that Wood was a legislator.
"He should know better," Coughlan said.
Wood was driving 65 mph when he hit the sign, according to the
report. He was uninjured, but his car was towed away. He was
stopped in Dekorra, 30 miles north of Madison.
Wood declined to comment when contacted by the Journal Sentinel,

but he told WAYY-AM in Eau Claire that he had no plans to step
down.
"This is humiliating and embarrassing and obviously it comes with

penalties, which I deserve," he told the station. "I'm not going to
shy away from that, but I think I can do my job effectively."
Wood said he ran into college friends at a biofuels event Thursday

and went to a bar. He said he accepted marijuana and a pipe
someone offered him and got in his car.
In the radio interview, Wood said he does not typically use

marijuana and said he planned to quit drinking. He said he would
not fight the allegations and would not hire a lawyer.
"I'm guilty," he said. "I deserve to be punished."
Wood also told the station he was arrested for drunken driving as a
teenager.
He was elected to the Assembly as a Republican in 2002, but he

quit the GOP this summer because he said it no longer stood for
lower taxes and limited government.
Wood is the first independent elected to the Legislature since 1928,

when voters picked Harley A. Martin of Richland Center. In 1968,
Rep. Jerry Wing of Milwaukee quit the GOP to become an
independent, but he lost his re-election bid.
Last week, Speaker-elect Mike Sheridan (D-Janesville) appointed

Wood chairman of the Assembly Ways and Means Committee. But
on Monday, Sheridan said Wood was declining the position.
The Journal Sentinel recently surveyed lawmakers' stands on

proposals to stiffen the state's drunken driving laws. Wood and
more than 60 of his colleagues declined to state their views on
issues such as making first-offense drunken driving a crime and
making a third offense a felony.
Rep. Jeffrey Wood's booking photo, supplied by the Columbia

County Sheriff's Department.
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This is the type of thing that makes me really angry. In addition to

the whole notion of getting behind the wheel like intoxicated, the
person in question here, Rep. Jeffrey Wood, is an elected official.
What a great example for the kids in Bloomer, Wisconsin. The
trouble is how many parents of those kids do not really see the
problem that we have as a state with our drinking culture? That is
not to pick on Bloomer, pick any locale, and the same is true.
Wisconsin State Representative Jeffrey Wood, as shown above, in

what will become the political ad for his future opponents.
My aim here is not to embarrass Rep. Wood. (He already has done
that to himself.) I, in fact, like some of his political points of view. I
applauded his stand against his own (former) party, and thought
him courageous. But there is a need to highlight, I think, this type
of drinking incidence over and over until we all get it in our heads.
It is NOT OK to drink and drive.
Leave aside the fact that this guy makes the laws, and therefore
should truly respect them. The fact that he was putting other lives
in danger over his desire to drive while intoxicated is really a

chilling thought if you actually sit down and ponder it. I know we
hear this so often that we forget the real consequences to this type
of behavior. But drinking and driving has horrible effects on those
that are impacted.
I hope not just to hear, ” I am sorry” from Rep. Wood. Instead I

want to hear more of a public discussion on ways to combat this
social ill. From those who run the establishments and make money
on this matter, to those who belly up to the bar, there has to be a
better appreciation for the consequences of drinking and driving.
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Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:00 pm
State Rep. Jeff Wood has been arrested in Marathon County on

suspicion of driving while intoxicated, his second such arrest in less
than a year and fourth overall, a Wisconsin State Patrol official said
Thursday.
Wood, an independent from Bloomer, was picked up Wednesday on

Highway 51 in the town of Rib Mountain outside Wausau for
allegedly driving under the influence of prescription and non-
prescription drugs, not alcohol, said Lt. Timothy Carnahan of the
State Patrol.

The arrest follows charges against Wood in January of third-time

intoxicated driving and comes as the Legislature seeks to crack
down on Wisconsin's drunken driving culture. Wood voted with
other lawmakers in the Assembly last week to approve a drunken
driving bill that would make a fourth offense a felony in the state.
John Vose, a member of the advisory council of Mothers Against

Drunken Driving Wisconsin, said Wood should consider resigning if
the allegations against him are proven.
"It's a reflection of the challenge that the whole state faces," Vose
said of the allegations. "We really as a state have to get together
and say, 'No more.'•"
Even if Wood is charged and convicted of a fourth offense, it would

not be a felony on his record because the bill now before the state
Senate would take effect after his arrest.
The State Patrol report shows Wood was pulled over at 6:30 p.m.
Wednesday after a witness reported that his 1998 Buick was
moving erratically and almost struck another vehicle.
The arresting State Patrol officer and another officer from the
Everest Metro Police Department reported that Wood appeared
sleepy and had with him a bottle of the anxiety medication
lorazepam. The prescription had been filled on Tuesday with 45
pills, but the bottle only contained seven pills at the time of Wood's
arrest, the report stated.
Wood told the officers he had taken six pills on Wednesday - twice
the prescribed amount of three tablets daily. He also said he took
two doses of cough syrup at 3 p.m. and 6 p.m. Wood said he was
under a doctor's care for drug and alcohol dependence, had also
taken an antidepressant within the previous 24 hours, and had four
hours of sleep the previous night.
A preliminary breathalyzer test on Wood did not detect alcohol. The

officer stopped a field sobriety test of Wood's balance so that he
would not fall down. Wood was sent to St. Claire's Hospital and
later released to his father-in-law.
In December, Wood was arrested in Columbia County as he was

making a 200-mile drive home after allegedly drinking in Madison.
Witnesses said Wood crashed into a highway sign, and a state

trooper said he found Wood urinating on the interstate shoulder.
Authorities said two bags of marijuana were in Wood's car.
Wood has pleaded not guilty in that ongoing case.
Wood's Madison office was closed today, and a message left at his
office was not returned.
Wood's attorney in the pending drunken driving case, Tracey Wood,

who is no relation, said she would also represent the lawmaker in

this latest case but said she could not comment further. Wood has
been in the spotlight since last year, when he switched abruptly
switched parties before the deadline for candidate declarations from
a Republican to an independent.
State GOP executive director Mark Jefferson called on Wood to seek

treatment and resign because of the allegations, saying in a
statement that "enough is enough."
Assembly Speaker Mike Sheridan, D-Janeville, said in a statement

he was "deeply troubled" by the arrest and would be closely
monitoring the case.
State Rep. Jeff Wood, arrested on suspicion of drunken

driving and possession of marijuana in December, was
arrested again on Wednesday, Sept. 23, on suspicion of
driving while intoxicated. Photo by: MBR
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Extended Sabatical 1921 19th Ave
Bloomer, WI 54724
Sex: MALE
Registered: Jul 2003 Race: WHITE
Location:
Posts: 31403 Height: 503
Weight: 147
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Brown
DOB: 9/12/1969
DL#: W3004376933202
Offense Location: Northbound USH 51 at MP 189

city/town/villiage: Rib Mountain
County: Marathon
Vehicle year: 1998

Make: Buick

Model: 4 door passenger car

Color: Dark Green
Plate #: 980NLZ
VIN: 1G4NJ52M9WC403218
Offense date and time:

9/23/2009 -- 6:29 PM
Charges:
1) 346.63(1)(a) -- Operating While Intoxicated
2) 346.89 (1) -- Inattentive Driving
3) 341.15 (1) -- Failure to Display Front License Plate
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MILWAUKEE --
Ray Calderon suffered face and back injuries after he was punched
in the head three times while handcuffed in a squad car parked at a
jail.
Now the sergeant accused of administering the vicious beating is

avoiding trial by pleading no contest.
Sgt. Scott Krause, 38, could get a lighter sentence by pleading

out, but the district attorney is recommending prison time saying
that the attack is intolerable for a law enforcement officer.
"The state is recommending a prison sentence in an amount to be

determined by the court," Milwaukee County Assistant District
Attorney Kent Lovern said.
Krause was convicted by a judge of attacking last October on

Tuesday.
Calderon himself told 12 News in November that the assault was

unprovoked, and in fact, Calderon wasn't charged with a crime
related to the arrest.
"It just came out of nowhere," Calderon said. "Well, I want him to
be prosecuted and set as an example that you cannot go out doing
this just to anybody."
The incident was recorded on a squad car video in a jail sally-port.

The video hasn't been released, but both prosecutors and
Calderon's civil lawyer Jon Safran have seen it.
Safran said Calderon was tapping on the squad window with his foot
to let the sergeant know he had to go to the bathroom.
"It shows him coming into the squad car, Mr. Calderon is in the
back seat with his handcuffs on with his arms behind his back, and
the sergeant reaches in, slaps him, then hits him quite hard with a
closed fist, to the point where Mr. Calderon is knocked down to the
seat," Safran said.
Krause could face two years in prison when he's sentenced in

March. He remains free on $500 bond and is still suspended with
pay from the sheriff's department.
"(It's) conduct that's completely unacceptable for a law

enforcement officer, and it's conduct that's intolerable and deserves
and requires a strong response from our office. I think we did so
with two charges, including a felony charge," Lovern said.
The police department said its own internal affairs investigation can
now move forward, presumably leading to Krause's firing.

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Count No. -- Statute Description -- Severity -- Disposition

1) 940.19(1) -- Battery -- Misd. A --Guilty Due to No Contest Plea
2) 946.12(2) -- Misconduct/Office-Act/Excess Authority -- Felony I
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don't . We will have to inspect the document again after March 5th
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Posted: March 5, 2010
A former Milwaukee County sheriff's sergeant was sentenced

Friday to 18 months in prison for repeatedly slugging a handcuffed
suspect in the face, an outburst his attorney blamed on post-
traumatic stress disorder.
Even the prosector agreed that Scott Krause's outburst was out of
character, but the judge said a prison term was needed to help
restore community trust in law enforcement.

Circuit Judge Thomas Donegan also suggested that if the sheriff's

office had had an officer-support team such as the one at the
Milwaukee Police Department, Krause might never have reached
the breaking point that he did Oct. 16. The team is designed to
recognize early signs of job stress and offer peer intervention.
Almost reluctantly, Donegan imposed the prison term, plus a

concurrent nine months for misdemeanor battery, as a message to
the community that justice will hold law enforcement officers to a
high standard. Krause, 38, was taken into custody after the
sentencing.
At Friday's hearing, Deputy District Attorney Kent Lovern played

video taken from inside the patrol car, which was parked at the
sally port of the County Jail. Ray Calderon, handcuffed behind his
back and belted into the back seat, swears and lightly kicks the car
window as he says he needs to urinate. Krause opens the door and
smashes Calderon several times in the face with a closed fist.
Lovern said while Calderon was hardly a model prisoner, other

deputies dealing with him that day showed restraint when he acted
up.
Lovern acknowledged that Krause had no prior complaints about

excessive force and was generally held in high regard for
professionalism and integrity.
"We're not dealing with a rogue cop here," he said but added that
the case deserved a prison term to reassure the community that
police officers' powers are not unrestrained.
Calderon told Donegan he hasn't been the same psychologically or

physically since the attack and said he's still receiving treatment for
injuries.
Krause, who cried through much of the hearing, apologized to

Calderon, his family, the sheriff's office and the community.
Jay Schrinsky, a psychotherapist, testified he has been seeing

Krause weekly since October, and that he suffers from PTSD,
brought on by his two combat tours in the U.S. Army. About two
weeks before the beating, Krause separated from his wife, the
therapist said.
Krause's attorney, Michael Steinle, said Krause couldn't even

remember the beating because his brain had blanked it out
immediately. But when confronted with the videotape, he was
ashamed and remorseful and never tried to blame Calderon for
provoking him or use union rules to try and keep his job.
Sheriff David A. Clarke Jr. said Friday that it was ironic that others
would question the lack of an officer support team within his
department. In 2006, he invited the Fellowship of Christian
Centurions to speak at roll calls. The deputies association sued, and

last year, a federal appeals court upheld a finding that Clarke

violated the constitutional separation of church and state.
Clarke said that's made him "gun shy" about trying to establish any
other sort of peer support team. He noted that deputies can utilize
the Employee Assistance Program available to all county employees.
Roy Felber, president of the Milwaukee Deputy Sheriffs' Association,

said deputies did try to start their own support team, working with
someone from the Milwaukee Police Department. He said the
association tries to make initial referrals to mental health
professionals because many deputies don't feel confident that
inquiries through the EAP will remain confidential.
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Registered: May 2009 StoryDiscussionBy KJ LANG | klang@lacrossetribune.com | Posted:
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(McClatchy Newspapers) .
..University of Wisconsin-La Crosse student Adam Bauer has nearly
400 friends on Facebook. He got an offer for a new one about a
month ago. “She was a good-looking girl. I usually don’t accept
friends I don’t know, but I randomly accepted this one for some
reason,” the 19-year-old said.
He thinks that led to his invitation to come down to the La Crosse

police station, where an officer laid out photos from Facebook of

Bauer holding a beer — and then ticketed him for underage

drinking.
The police report said Bauer admitted drinking, which he denies.

But he did plead no contest in municipal court Wednesday and will
pay a $227 fine.
He was among at least eight people who said Wednesday they had
been cited for underage drinking based on photos on social
networking sites.
“I just can’t believe it. I feel like I’m in a science fiction movie, like
they are always watching. When does it end?” Bauer said after
court Wednesday.
Social networking sites are among many new tools law enforcement
has adopted to
find underage drinkers, said La Crosse police officer Al Iverson, who

works in alcohol compliance and education.
“Law enforcement has to evolve with technology,” Iverson said. “It

has to
happen. It is a necessity —not just for underage drinking.”
Social networking sites are used to catch sexual predators as well,

he noted.
But Bauer said, “I think there are a lot worse things (police) could
be spending their time on.”
The photos officers found were of him, his roommates and a couple
friends hanging out at his house, Bauer said.
“We were actually trying to be safe and not go out on the town and
get crazy,” he said.
Bauer’s friend, 20-year-old UW-L sophomore Tyrell Luebker, also

was tagged for underage drinking based on Facebook photos. He,
too, pleaded no contest Wednesday.
“I feel like it is shady police work and a waste of taxpayer money to

have him (an officer) sit on the computer on Facebook when he
could actually be doing police work,” said Luebker.
Iverson pointed out the students still were caught in an illegal act,
one they felt comfortable and confident enough about to put photos
of on the Internet. Posting those photos, he added, helps glamorize
alcohol consumption and binge drinking.
Someone else posted photos on a Facebook site of UW-L

sophomores Brianna Niesen and Cassie Stenholt holding beer, but
they still ended up in court Wednesday pleading no contest and
getting fined.

The practice ultimately could hurt the positive alliance law

enforcement wants to build with students so they will report crimes,
Niesen said.
“I feel like it is a breach of privacy,” Stenholt said. “You feel like

you should be able to trust cops.”
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Never Follow A Security Guard Into The Back Of The Store
By Chris Walters, 6:28 PM on Mon Nov 9 2009
Here's some advice for you, the regular customer who doesn't
shoplift: never go into the back of a store with a security guard,
Registered: May 2008 store manager, rent-a-cop, etc. Never. Someone posted the
Location: following story in the Janesville, Wisconsin CraigsList over the
Posts: 4812 weekend. Because the poster cooperated in good faith with the
security personnel at her local Menards home store, she had to pay
$150 to avoid having the police called on her.
(I've edited the post for clarity and punctuation.)

So I will start off saying my husband and I have been shopping at

Menards since they opened and because of our business we are
there almost daily and sometime twice a day. This afternoon
[November 7th, 2009] we came for the second time to get lumber
and paint. I just bought my husband a surprise drywall gun last
night from Menards so in exchange he thought it would be nice to
look at a new drill for me.
I have had my eye on a light weight compact cordless so we started

comparing them. He noticed a complete set of 2 drills, bat, chargers
and so on but they were not on display, just in the box. Well I
opened the box so I could see how light they are and they were
perfect for me. I picked everything up that I removed from the box
and stuffed it back in the box and set it in the cart. I tried to close
the top of the box however because i removed everything it would
not go back in place, So I left the box open.
We had several items in our cart and within a minute I found some
drill bits to go with my new set so I tossed the small package in the
cart. I turned my back to talk to my husband about more bits and
some guy comes cruising around the corner grabs my cart and
takes off walking very fast. "HEY you have my cart!" I yelled to the
guy as he was already down the aisle. He let go of the cart said
sorry and disappeared around the corner leaving my cart. I walked
down, grabbed the cart, and came back to my husband. Very
strange we both thought but we just continued shopping.
Over to building materials we went before checking out. We

checked our items out (over $300.00) and the cashier never
questioned the open box or looked inside.
We leave the store and a man walks up and asks for our receipt. My
husband went to pull it out of his wallet and before he gets it out
the guy reaches into the drill box and pulls out the small pack of
drill bits. He looks at us and said you took these. We replied oh
they must have been missed we will come back in and pay for them.
The guy who we now know as security asked us to come back

inside. We went inside expecting to pay for the $5.99 drill bits and
he tells us we have to fill out an incident paper.
They take our cart full of $300.00 worth of stuff and lead us into
the security room. Inside the room we are sitting in silence while
this guy is filling out paperwork and a lady that works as a CSM(?)
is standing guard at the door like we are hard criminals ready to
flee the country.
After several minutes of silence I ask if I am being charged for

something. The security man said no I just need you to fill out this
paperwork and give me your drivers license.
So I hand over my license and he said to me that he'd seen the drill
bits on top of the open box then he'd seen us walk into the

checkouts and not pay for them. I could not believe what I was
hearing. I told him over and over this is a mistake I threw the bits
in the cart and they must have landed on the box. The guard then
said maybe they slipped further in the box when you moved your
cart. He said well that sounds like you're just having bad luck. My
husband asked if they'd seen me put the package in the box. He
would not respond.
He then told me I have 2 choices. I can pay Menards $150.00 or

they will call the police and charge me with theft and a $350.00
fine. We could not believe what was happening. CHARGE ME WITH
THEFT! JUST BAD LUCK??? What is happening! Have they gone
crazy!
I have thrown items in my cart many times and never thought

twice about it. I understand if the bits were in my pocket or hidden
under everything in the box but they were on top of a opened box
that the cashier never even looked in the box. Honest mistake is
what I call it not bad luck or theft.
So now I am in tears and faced with a choice I never thought I

would make in my life. We run a professional business and I would
never want to risk my reputation by being hauled out of Menards in
front of everyone by the police. I was told to sign the paperwork
and pay the $150.00 to avoid this from happening. So I signed and
paid what they called a restitution. They refused to give me a copy
of the paperwork I signed. Then they sent us on our way with tears
in my eyes. I went quietly but I can't let this go.
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...my husband and I have been shopping at
Menards since they opened and because of our
business we are there almost daily and
sometime twice a day.
If this is true, Menard's needs to seriously re-evaluate its

behavior. The last thing any retail business needs to be doing
Location: Tucson, AZ in these economic times is alienating and driving away regular
Posts: 5865 customers, especially over a misunderstanding, which is what
this clearly was.
My advice to this lady is to demand a written apology, a refund

of the $150.00 extorted from you, and a guarantee from
Menard's that they will have any criminal charges against you
dropped. If they refuse to do so, then you and your husband
should never again set foot in any of their stores and spread the
word far and wide about what happened to you so that others
can do the same. Any business that treats its regular customers
this way does not deserve to HAVE ANY customers. Too many
businesses today treat their customers as nuisances and show
them the same level of respect one would accord such, so it's
past time to start reminding them who is REALLY in control!
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11-10-2009 04:05 PM

GC Marciano I worked my way through college for several years as a Loss

Copwatcher Extraordinaire Prevention manager for various retail outlets such as Wal-Mart,
K-Mart, Macy's, etc. One thing I learned... NEVER follow a LP
associate back into the store.
If you are apprehended by LP while leaving a store, they will

usually ask "Would you mind coming back into the store with
me" or they may straight out TELL you to come with them back
into the store... just refuse. If you are innocent and they place
their hands on you attempting to physically escort you back into
Registered: Jul 2003 the store, it becomes kidnapping and you have every right to
violently resist. (Loss Prevention agents do not have arrest
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powers, they utilize the same "citizen's arrest" powers that any
private citizen has.)
Tell them that if he is so sure you stole something, you will wait
right there outside the door while the police are called. Use your
cellphone and volunteer to call the police yourself, ask anybody
standing around to remain as witnesses, demand the store
manager come out as a witness also. (This will guarantee the LP
agent's firing should the stop be deemed improper by
discovering you have no stolen items on you).
This in itself will usually cause them to tell you to just leave and
not come back. If you don't have anything on you, don't leave.
Don't go back in the store, but make it clear that you are calling
the police to report the bad stop. This is only advisable if you
have credible witnesses to the apprehension.
Ask the LP agent his name. He probably won't volunteer it, but
tell him that when the police arrive and find nothing on you,
you will need his name for the impending lawsuit. Ask him for
his district or regional managers name and telephone number.
Tell him you will need the information to report the bad stop.
He probably won't give them to you but you need to let him
know that you know how to deal with the situation.
Most states allow lawsuits against both the retail establishment

and the individual employee if they make a "bad stop". They
know this (it's all in their training) and most LP agents are
terrified of the possibility of a bad stop. In 1998 an ex-partner
was sued after a bad stop and the litigant won $18,000 from
the store after being falsely accused of stealing a $13 CD.
LP is a very necessary division of any retail outlet, but today

there are way to many lazy, dipshit LP personnel who make
stops without being 100% certain.
Every retail outlet has the following criteria for their LP agents
to initiate an apprehension:
1) LP must personally witness the suspect approach the

item.

2) LP must personally witness the suspect pick up (take

possession of) the item.
3) LP must personally witness the suspect conceal the

item.
4) LP must keep the suspect and the merchandise under

continuous surveillance until he passes the "final point
of purchase" and exits the establishment.
When all these criteria have been met and the LP agent is 100%
sure that the suspect is in possession of the item(s) upon
exiting the store, he may initiate an apprehension.
However, it is almost impossible to meet all the criteria. It's

nearly impossible to conduct uninterrupted surveillance of a
suspect without being spotted, and a LE agent is never 100%
sure that the suspect did not "ditch" or drop the item during a
couple-second lapse in surveillance, perhaps when rounding a
corner.
Let them know that they are not in control of the situation, you
are. NEVER follow them back into the store (doing so can be
construed as an admission of guilt) and NEVER sign anything.
They may produce a camera and take your picture... this is fully
legal as you are in public so allow it and smile for the photo,
then use a camera-phone and ask him to pose for you. Tell him
the local paper will probably want a photo to publish when the
illegal apprehension lawsuit is filed.
Being an educated, sarcastic asshole is very effective.
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liberranter Thanks, GC, for your practical advice, which you clearly learned
Super Moderator from years of first-hand experience.
I agree that LP, when conducted properly, certainly is essential

to any retail business. In the case cited in the posted article
(assuming that the narrator's description of events is accurate),
it would appear that Menard's has unfortunately employed "lazy
dipshits" to implement their LP. One would think that store
security would recognize regular customers, particularly ones as
"regular" (i.e., ones who make purchases from the store on a
daily basis) as this woman and her husband and would thus
treat the incident in question as something other than a case of
Location: Tucson, AZ theft.
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The only unfortunate aspect of the advice you give to store
patrons caught in a bad stop is that they call the police in the
event of detention by LP. I'm sure that doing so is unavoidable,
but it seems to me that, given our routine observations of cop
behavior, in nine cases out of ten the cops will probably
instantly and automatically assume that the patron is in the
wrong and will side with the store. Has this been your
experience?
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Angela Payne releases letter, stands by allegations against Mayor
Bob Ryan
Attorney: Fired human resources director will pursue lawsuit

against city
To read Angela Payne's letter CLICK HERE
BY ERIC LITKE • Sheboygan Press staff • September 29, 2009
After standing silent for a week as Mayor Bob Ryan denied her

allegations, Angela Payne — through her attorney — this morning

released a five-page letter detailing allegations that she was fired
as Sheboygan’s human resources director because she turned down
Ryan’s sexual advances.
The letter also details sexual remarks Ryan allegedly made about
numerous women employed by or connected with the city.
Ruth Major, a Chicago-based attorney, said Payne is still open

to a settlement but will “absolutely” file a lawsuit against Ryan and
later the city if an adequate offer is not made.
Major said the letter is being released to respond to Ryan’s denials

and implications that Payne’s accusation is somehow related to the
YouTube video posted last week showing him making drunken,
sexually explicit comments about his sister-in-law.
“In light of the things that he’s been saying, we’ve decided that it
makes sense for Angela to tell her side of the story,” Major said,
calling it “preposterous” to claim the two things are linked.
“Regardless of whether we settle or not, she’s going to clear her
name.”
Ryan's only response to the release of the letter came in a

statement from a public relations specialist he has hired during the
scandal, Anne Nemschoff.
"The contents of the letter from Angela Payne are unsubstantiated

allegations and the mayor is remaining steadfast in his denial of
these claims," the one-paragraph statement reads. "This is a legal
matter and the true facts of the case will be discussed this evening
in closed session with the decision makers of the city, after which a
statement will be released."
Letter details numerous sexual comments
The letter, dated Sept. 11 and addressed to City Attorney Steve

McLean, makes numerous allegations about Ryan’s behavior
toward female city employees.
McLean had not responded to an open records request seeking a

copy of the letter.
According to the letter:
♦ Commenting on a female employee, Ryan said, “She is a good-

looking woman, and she has a nice body.”
♦ Of another high-ranking employee, Ryan said, “I could have had

her, and she would have given it to me.”
♦ Ryan said one committee member could not stay on because

“she would not be loyal to me, and she is not a looker.”
♦ Addressing an employee, Ryan was deciding whether to keep, he

said, “It is a shame that (she) is not a better looking woman.”
Payne says Ryan tried to kiss her
The letter then details the alleged come-on as occurring July 9 after
a day of union negotiations. The letter says Ryan invited Payne to
the Highland House, and they initially discussed city business with
her, though Ryan’s eyes continually went up and down Payne’s
body.
Ryan then allegedly told Payne that being mayor has “special
privileges,” adding, “there are more young girls (performing sex
acts on him) than ever before.”
The letter says Payne soon after told Ryan she wasn’t interested in
having a sexual relationship, after which he leaned toward her and
said, “I don’t believe that” and asked her to meet up with him in
Chicago.
The two then went to the nearby End Zone tavern, which the letter
says Payne did “begrudgingly” at Ryan’s request. While discussing
city business, Ryan suddenly put his hands on Payne’s face and
pulled her toward him, attempting to kiss her on the lips, the letter
said.
Payne then drove Ryan back to City Hall, and the next day he
called her to apologize for his behavior, the letter said.
Termination came 'without warning'
Following that night, the letter says Ryan “completely changed”

how he interacted with Payne, becoming distant, refusing to talk to
her directly and rolling his eyes when she spoke.
Payne was then fired Aug. 6, within the probationary period during
which the mayor could fire her without council approval. Ryan has
said he fired Payne after city department heads initiated a meeting
with him in which they said she was difficult to work with.
The letter said the termination “was without warning, and no

specific reasons were given for her termination.”
In an interview last week, Ryan acknowledged going out to the

restaurant and bar with Payne but denied anything improper
occurred.
“I’m denying unequivocally that played a role in the firing of

Angela Payne — unequivocally,” Ryan said Sept. 23. “Her
allegations of any impropriety on my part, her allegations of after
that evening any change in behavior on my part, any treating her
any different than before, are totally false.”
Major said Payne, who has returned to Chicago, would not be

made available for comment.

Major said Payne — who was hired in February by former Mayor

Juan Perez — worked “tirelessly” during her brief tenure with the
city, often putting in 65- to 75-hour weeks, and received an
excellent review from Ryan in June in which he called her a “true
asset to the employees and citizens of Sheboygan.” She said the
mayor told Payne in a meeting about the review that she was
“perfect for this job.”
“Ms. Payne steadfastly stands on the allegations in her letter,

which she is now releasing to the public, and vehemently denies
that she had any knowledge of the YouTube video,” Major said in
the release. “Ms. Payne will continue in her efforts to hold Mayor
Ryan accountable for his conduct, which have caused damaged not
only to Ms. Payne but to the reputation of a wonderful city.”
Letter: Lawsuit should garner "substantial" award
Filing a Civil Rights lawsuit requires first obtaining a “right to sue”

letter from the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission,
which Major said has not been done yet but could be done soon.
She said the city contacted Payne in response to the letter, but
Payne has not responded because of Ryan’s denials and
implications that the letter and video may be linked.
“We’re still open to resolving it with the city, but we are going to
probably move pretty quickly and file a lawsuit, first against mayor.
After we get a right to sue letter from the EEOC, we’ll bring some
additional claims against the City of Sheboygan,” Major said. “What
happened to her wasn’t right, and she’s not just going to settle and
have that out there that she in any way made allegations against
someone that weren’t true.”
Major said she has been contacted by the city but she has not
responded because of Ryan’s denials and implications that the
letter and video may be linked. The letter says Payne “has a strong
case of discrimination” under federal Civil Rights acts of 1964 and
1866 as well as state law.
“In light of the facts of this case, and the severe effect that the
mayor’s conduct has had on Ms. Payne, we expect the award to
be substantial,” the letter said. A lawsuit would seek front pay, back
pay and attorney fees, among other things.
McLean, the city attorney, said no settlement offer has been

made.
The release of the letter comes a day after Common Council

President Jim Bohren stepped down from his leadership post,
citing as a primary reason that he wouldn’t be physically able to
take over as mayor in the event Ryan left the job “through his
resignation or if he would decide to go into some treatment for any
personal problems he may have.”
Bohren said he had no knowledge that Ryan planned to take

either step. Ryan said at a press conference last week that he will
be hiring a medical professional “to guide me through my personal
life,” but he refused to say whether that would specifically address
alcohol use.
Reach Eric Litke at (920) 453-5119 and elitke@sheboyganpress.

com.
10-28-2009 07:58 AM
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Angela Payne's letter to Mayor Ryan (WI)
go to the above site to read the 5 page letter from Ms. Payne's
attorney
Picture is of Ms. Angela Payne
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10-28-2009 08:09 AM
Vundering Information on Mayor Bob Ryan (WI)

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http://ci.sheboygan.wi.us/mayor/MayorHome.html
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Bob Ryan
Mayor of Sheboygan
Mayors Office Hours:

Monday thru Friday 8:00am - 12:00 pm 1:00 pm - 5:00pm
Location: 828 Center Avenue, 3rd Floor, Sheboygan, WI 53081
Phone: (920) 459-3317
E-mail: Mayor@ci.sheboygan.wi.us
picture is of Bob Ryan
Attachment: mayorbobryan.jpg

10-28-2009 08:39 AM
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Vundering Bob Ryan's address and phone number (WI)

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Bob Ryan
1231 N 6th St
Sheboygan, WI 53081
(920) 452-2309
Robert J Ryan
1231 N 6th St
Sheboygan, WI 53081
(920) 452-2309
Note: This address is unverified, and was found via public records.

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COPWATCH.com Forum - Effigy video on Facebook burns Calumet Co deputies Jennifer Bass, Wendy Schmitz (WI)
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Bass, Wendy Schmitz (WI)
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huckabuck001 Effigy video on Facebook burns Calumet Co deputies Jennifer Bass,

Senior Member Wendy Schmitz (WI)
Registered: Feb 2007 Effigy video on Facebook burns 2 Wis. deputies

Location: Florida http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...Lwv8sgD9B1COMO1
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Tue Sep 29, 11:11 pm ET
CHILTON, Wis. – One eastern Wisconsin sheriff's deputy has

resigned and another has been demoted after a video on Facebook
showed them and others burning a dummy in a department uniform.
The video taken last month shows the deputies burning a uniformed
effigy propped against a small cross. A woman at one point says
the burning cross has a "KKK aspect to it."

Calumet County Sheriff Jerry Pagel said Tuesday that Deputy

Jennifer Bass resigned and Wendy Schmitz has been demoted to
dispatcher. Bass had been a jailer and Schmitz had been an
investigative sergeant.
The sheriff says both women called the burning a "stress reliever."
Notes bearing names of the sheriff and other officers were affixed
to the dummy.
Bass' phone number isn't listed. A telephone message left for

Schmitz wasn't returned.
09-30-2009 08:03 AM
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http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news...r /> 91037_rev2
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* Reporter: Mark Leland
CHILTON - The Calumet County sheriff is apologizing for what he

calls the inappropriate actions and language of two of his deputies.
"This was an unfortunate incident that caused disgrace to our

department, to the county and to all of law enforcement," said
Sheriff Jerry Pagel.
At issue is a video and accompanying pictures, showing a

stuffed Calumet County Sheriff's uniform being burned in
effigy. One off-duty sheriff's deputy can be heard, among
others, making racial remarks.
"Now it kind of has the KKK aspect to it (laughter) we're just

burning a cross," one of the deputy's can be heard in the
video.
The burning took place in a backyard fire pit at the Darboy

home of Jennifer Bass, a four-year member of the sheriff's
department. Bass resigned her position two weeks ago
following an internal investigation.
Pagel says it was Bass who shot the video and made the racial
comment. And it was Bass who posted it all on her internet
Facebook page.
"Someone found this offensive, and brought it to our attention,"

explained Pagel.
Seen in photographs also posted on that Facebook page is Wendy

Schmitz, another Sheriff's investigator who has been with the
department in different capacities since 1997. She was offered and
accepted a reduction in rank and salary as punishment for her
participation.
"We felt their actions and these comments were a detriment or

proved to be a negative impact upon our department," said Pagel.
Pagel says both Bass and Schmitz indicated they burned the
uniform, adorned with sticky note tags identifying fellow
officers including the sheriff, as a stress reliever.
"They indicated it was out of frustration and a stress reliever to

place them on the uniform and burn them in effigy," he said.
In the video as the fire dies down, it's believed to be Schmitz

commenting on her stress.
"For some reason I feel like 100 pounds just got lifted," said
Schmitz off camera.
Both Schmitz and Bass were offered an opportunity to comment by

FOX 11-- neither responded.
Sheriff Pagel says despite the two deputies who used bad judgment
there are 54 other deputies who have remained professional and
respect the uniform they wear. The department met as a whole this
week to review what had happened to insure it doesn't happen
again.
"We informed them you have to be aware of what you put out
there," Pagel said.
Sheriff's officials say they regularly use Facebook and other web
sharing sites to help in their everyday investigations and the
deputies should have known better.
"This is the last thing I'd want to make public. This is an

embarrassment to our department and to me," said the sheriff.
Pagel says let this revealing internet posting be a lesson to others,

not to make the same costly mistake in judgment.
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Mack It's really bizarre that they posted the video online. If it was dumb
Assistant Moderator to burn the effigy, it was beyond idiotic to post evidence of it online.
She's too dumb to even be a cop.
I wonder, though, if it was actually done with racial animus. She

apparently says some racial stuff during the taping, but that could
simply be due to the associations drilled into her head during the
indoctrination sessions of grade school.
Registered: Jul 2003 As I read the article, there's no evidence that the effigy was
Location: supposed to be black. It says that the names of various officers and
Posts: 5215 the sheriff were posted on the dummy, but there's no mention of
whether all of them, some of them, or none of them were black. If
few or none of them were black, it certainly argues against the idea
that this was a racial thing.
Of course, the sheriff wants to paint this in the worst light possible:
he wouldn't want to admit that these chicks don't hate black
people, they just hate him.
I wonder what kind of **** up he is?
But in any event, I can't muster much sympathy for these bitches
even if they're being railroaded. Women shouldn't be cops, and
cops are generally bad. If they were stressed out, they should have
quit, got married, and started having kids like God intended.
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Taken right from the article, "Now it kind of has the KKK aspect to it
Registered: Feb 2007 (laughter) we're just burning a cross," one of the deputy's can be
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Location:
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(DCF) issued a statement on Friday regarding the resignation of
Division of Early Care and Education Administrator Dan
Harris.
The resignation comes after Harris approved a $25,000

payment to a child-care provider who is under investigation
for fraud. DCF has recently been in the news after an audit

discovered four child care providers had addresses that

matched the addresses of registered sex offenders.
According to Governor Jim Doyle, those four incidents have
been addressed.
Doyle told reporters on Friday that he was, quote, "really angry"

when he found out about the $25,000 payment that went to
Latasha Jackson. A report in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
states Jackson received nearly $3 million in public funding
despite evidence she was committing fraud. Jackson is
appealing the revocation of her license.
The statement does not give a reason for Harris' resignation, but
does credit him with playing a large role in trying to stop fraud in
the Wisconsin Shares program.
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MADISON (WKOW) -- An audit released Wednesday found the

addresses of four registered sex offenders are the same as those of
licensed child care providers.
The state departments of Corrections and Children and Families

confirmed the matches, but they do not believe any children were
harmed.

"Fortunately in all four instances, children were safe," said DCF Sec.
Reggie Bicha. "There were no sex offenders living at any one of the
residences that were identified by the Legislative Audit Bureau."
Two of the matching addresses were in Milwaukee County and two

were in Racine County.
DCF says in two cases, the addresses were mismatched.
"It may have been an apartment building that had the same
address, but they were different units in the apartment building,"
said Bicha.
In the other two, the offenders lied about their addresses and listed
a relative's address instead.
"The Dept. of Corrections interviewed both of the offenders that

were involved and confirmed that they were not residing at the
residence in either of those circumstances," said Bicha.
But relying on word-of-mouth is not enough, which is why Bicha

points his finger at the system.
"In all four circumstances, the law was followed," said Bicha. "There
was no requirement to do an address verification or address check
as was done in this circumstance."
This may not be a new problem, according to Rep. Mark Pocan.
"I think a lot of these problems have gone on for a very long time,
and we're finally starting to see some of these problems surface as
we look at how to refine it," said Pocan.
There is no law in place right now that requires an address cross-

check for child care providers. The state learned about this flaw in
the system in July, and Bicha said his department is working to
make sure it doesn't happen again.
"We're not waiting for a law," Bicha said. "We started fixing this
immediately after we found out, and any time that we license or
certify a child care provider we will make sure that we've checked
the sex offender registry going forward."
The audit bureau called it a serious problem and says the potential
for similar situations exists unless new protections are enacted.
Last month, DCF ordered state licensing and county certification

staff to search their databases for registered sex offenders.
The co-chairs of the Joint Committee of Finance sent a letter to Sec.

Bicha Wednesday requesting he appear at its next meeting on
Tuesday, September 29 to explain the situation.
Sen. Mark Miller and Rep. Mark Pocan wrote in the letter

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MGMAN Wisconsin court praises drunken concert goer

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MADISON, Wis. — An Illinois teen knew he was too drunk to drive

home after a Dave Matthews Band concert south of Milwaukee. So
he fell asleep in his car, only to be awoken by a state trooper.
Travis Peterson, 19, of Dixon, Ill., said even though he told the
officer he was drunk and sleeping it off, the trooper ordered him to
leave because the lot was being cleared.
Once out of the parking lot, Peterson was arrested for drunken
Registered: Jan 2008 driving. He was subsequently found guilty and ordered to spend 60
Georgia
days in jail.
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A Wisconsin appeals court on Wednesday commended Peterson for

doing the right thing by trying to sleep it off, and said the trial court
was wrong not to let him argue that police had entrapped him.
The state had argued successfully at trial that people whochoose to

drink too much can't argue they've been entrapped when stopped
for drunken driving. The 2nd District Court of Appeals disagreed.
"Drinking alcohol to excess, while inadvisable and unhealthy, is not

unlawful by itself," the appeals court said.
It did not address the fact that Peterson was underage. Peterson's
attorney, Andrew Mishlove, said that was irrelevant given the other
issues at stake.
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07-16-2009 12:44 PM
MGMAN If this was my son and he had been harmed because of being
Senior Member FORCED TO DRIVE DRUNK by this idiot Trooper. I would seek out
this Trooper and do my best to break every bone in his worthless
body.
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Location: Peoples Rebublik of murderers! They killed a man in cold blood!!

Georgia
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WAUKESHA (WKOW) -- An appeals court ruling released
Wednesday says a man cited for driving drunk after a Dave
Matthews concert can use the entrapment defense.
22-year old Travis Peterson of Dixon, IL says he knew he was too

drunk to drive after the concert, so he decided to sleep it off in the
car. He says a State Trooper woke him up and ordered him to leave
because the lot was being cleared.
After he left the lot, he was pulled over my another trooper and
arrested for driving drunk.
Location: Peoples Rebublik of The State Trooper says he banged on Peterson's window, then
Georgia turned on his lights and siren to wake him up, but he claims he
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never told Peterson to drive.
A Walworth County Judge ruled Peterson could not argue police

entrapped him, but the 2nd District Court of Appeals disagreed.
Peterson's drunk driving conviction is overturned, and the case

could now go to trial.
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07-16-2009 12:53 PM
MGMAN COURT OF APPEALS

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DECISION
DATED AND FILED
July 15, 2009
David R. Schanker
Registered: Jan 2008 Clerk of Court of Appeals

Georgia
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NOTICE
This opinion is subject to further editing. If published, the official

version will appear in the bound volume of the Official Reports.
A party may file with the Supreme Court a petition to review an

adverse decision by the Court of Appeals. See Wis. Stat. § 808.10
and Rule 809.62.
Appeal No.
2009AP14-CR
Cir. Ct. No. 2006CT652
STATE OF WISCONSIN
IN COURT OF APPEALS
DISTRICT II

State of Wisconsin,
Plaintiff-Respondent,
v.
Travis C. Peterson,
Defendant-Appellant.
APPEAL from a judgment of the circuit court for Walworth County:

Michael s. Gibbs, Judge. Reversed and cause remanded with
directions.
¶1 BROWN, C.J.[1] Travis C. Peterson alleges that he got drunk

during a concert at Alpine Valley, decided to sleep it off in his car
which was parked on Alpine Valley grounds, and was awakened by
a state trooper who insisted that he drive the car off the premises
because the parking lots were being cleared. He claims to have
protested that he was too drunk to drive, but that the trooper
persisted and told him he could sleep it off at a nearby rest area, so
he reluctantly acceded to the trooper’s order and drove away from
the grounds. Then, another state trooper arrested him for operating
while intoxicated. Peterson argues that these allegations, if believed
by a jury, amount to entrapment. But the trial court granted the
State’s motion in limine prohibiting Peterson from erecting an
entrapment defense. We reject the trial court’s apparent rationale
that, because Peterson got himself drunk knowing he would have to
drive away from the lot when the concert ended, the circumstances
were wholly of his own making, thus precluding his use of the
entrapment defense, which is available for the otherwise innocent
only. While getting drunk is not recommended behavior, it is not
illegal, standing by itself. Therefore, Peterson did nothing legally
wrong until he operated his vehicle. We reverse and remand with
directions.

¶2 The basic facts, as alleged by Peterson, have been stated above

and do not need to be repeated except to point out that they made
their way into the motion in limine record by way of an offer of
proof. We also note that the offer of proof included a statement that
an Alpine Valley official was prepared to testify about Alpine Valley’s
policy of clearing the parking lots after concerts.
¶3 Not surprisingly, the trooper who was at the Alpine Valley

grounds had a completely different story. At the motion in limine,
the trooper testified that on July 3, 2006, he was on a detail
working the grounds after a concert, was informed by Alpine Valley
personnel that there might be a deceased person in a car located in
the parking lot, saw a person later identified as Peterson sleeping in
the car, banged on the windows for a “good five, seven minutes,”
shined a flashlight in his face, and finally activated the squad’s siren
and lights before Peterson awoke. The trooper then testified that he
talked to Peterson, asked if he was okay, told him that he was
drunk and needed to sleep it off and that he would be back later to
check on him. The trooper explained that this was not out of the
ordinary since there are “thousands of intoxicated … individuals at
Alpine [] Valley.” The trooper said that this conversation took place
at about 1:00 a.m. At 2:56 a.m., he responded as back-up to
another trooper who had stopped an intoxicated driver, and upon
arriving, recognized the operator as the same individual he talked
to at Alpine.
¶4 The trial court granted the State’s motion in limine to exclude

the entrapment defense. Here is what the trial court said:
Well, I am going to deny the defense the right to use the

entrapment instruction. It’s a defense available to a defendant
when a law enforcement officer induces the defendant to commit an
offense that the defendant was not otherwise predisposed to
commit. The Defendant drove there, and then parked there, and
then proceeded to get drunk; and then at that point it becomes
somebody else’s problem to look out for him apparently because
he’s—the only way to drive—the only way he can drive is drive
himself, and the only way he can drive is drive drunk because that’s
the way he’s gotten himself. That’s not the law enforcement’s
problem.
¶5 Peterson subsequently waived a jury trial, and a court trial

resulted in a finding of guilt. Peterson then appealed.
¶6 Whether there are sufficient facts to allow the issuing of an

instruction is a question of law which this court reviews de novo.
State v. Peters, 2002 WI App 243, ¶12, 258 Wis. 2d 148, 653 N.
W.2d 300. Entrapment is a defense to a charge when the “evil
intent” and the “criminal design” of the offense originate in the
mind of the government agent, and the defendant would not have
committed an offense of that character except for the urging of
government. State v. Hilleshiem, 172 Wis. 2d 1, 8, 492 N.W.2d 381
(Ct. App. 1992) (citation omitted). To establish entrapment,

Peterson had to show, by a preponderance of evidence, that he was

induced to commit the crime of operating while intoxicated. See id.
If Peterson met that burden, then the State had to prove beyond a
reasonable doubt that he was disposed to commit the crime. Id. at
8-9. The defense is disfavored in the law because it tends to let a
person go free who under normal circumstances would be guilty. Id.
at 9. So, courts do not entertain this defense lightly. Id.
¶7 The State relies on the following passage from Hilleshiem to

support its contention that the trial court correctly granted its
motion in limine:
The fact that a government agent furnishes the accused with an

opportunity to commit the crime does not by itself constitute
entrapment. Furthermore, the law permits law enforcement officers
to engage in some inducement, encouragement or solicitation in
order to detect criminals. Wis JI—Criminal 780. Thus, entrapment
will only be established if the law enforcement officer used
excessive incitement, urging, persuasion, or temptation, and prior
to the inducement, the defendant was not already disposed to
commit the crime.
Id. (emphasis in original; citations and footnote omitted).
¶8 The State makes three separate arguments as to why the above

passage holds the key to affirming the trial court. The State first
argues that Peterson’s offer of proof was wholly deficient. In its
view, “Peterson never testified at any hearing. Therefore, the only
evidence in the record established that [the trooper] told Peterson
to stay sleeping in his vehicle until Peterson was sober enough to
drive.” The State therefore submits it is undisputed that there was
no inducement, encouragement or solicitation by the trooper.
¶9 Feeding off this line of thought, the State brushes aside a case
Peterson cited, which he argues is supportive of his claim. In State
v. Bisson, 491 A.2d 544, 546 (Me. 1985), Bisson, the defendant,
testified at his own jury trial that he had been at a night club and
drank until he became sick. Id. He left, got into his car in the club
parking lot and passed out. Id. About three and a half hours later,
he was awakened by a police officer who ordered him to move his
car from the lot. Id. Bisson protested that he was too intoxicated,
but the officer insisted. Id. So, Bisson drove his vehicle off the lot
and was arrested just down the road by the same officer. Id. The
officer had a different version. Id. He claimed he had advised Bisson
not to operate his vehicle, but Bisson did anyway. Id. The trial court
refused to give an entrapment instruction. Id. Bisson was found
guilty and appealed. Id. The Maine supreme court said that a valid
factual dispute existed so the ultimate decision about entrapment
was the jury’s to make. Id. at 548. The State posits that we should
not pay heed to Bisson because, there, the defendant actually
testified and, here, Peterson did not.
¶10 The State’s argument requires us to expound on the purpose of

an “offer of proof.” As explained by our supreme court in State v.

Dodson, 219 Wis. 2d 65, 73, 580 N.W.2d 181 (1998), an offer of
proof serves two purposes: first, to provide the trial court a more
adequate basis for an evidentiary ruling and second, to establish a
meaningful record for review. An offer of proof may be made in
question or answer form or by statement of counsel, but out of the
presence of the jury. Id. Although the form of the offer of proof is
at the trial court’s discretion, the supreme court prefers that the
question and answer format be used. Id. at 73-74.
¶11 We see from Dodson, then, that the offer of proof made in this
case by a statement of Peterson’s counsel was a valid means by
which to lay the factual dispute before the trial court. If the trial
court had insisted on a question-and-answer format, the record
shows that witnesses had been subpoenaed and could have
participated in that fashion. But, the trial court did not so order. We
therefore reject the State’s view that the trooper’s question-and-
answer testimony at the motion in limine hearing was
“uncontroverted” on grounds that Peterson used the statement of
counsel format rather than the question-and-answer format.
¶12 We now address the State’s second argument as to why

Peterson’s offer of proof was deficient. The State asserts that there
is nothing within the offer of proof demonstrating that what the
trooper did was excessive incitement, urging, persuasion or
temptation. The State underscores that the trooper estimated the
time of the encounter with Peterson as occurring at about 1:00 a.
m. and the stop did not take place until nearly 3:00 a.m. The State
claims that this time differential is undisputed in the record and
shows that there was no urgency to leave the lot, and no strict
order to leave. We reject this argument as well. The law is that we
view affirmative defense assertions in the most favorable light it will
reasonably admit from the standpoint of the accused. See State v.
Jones, 147 Wis. 2d 806, 816, 434 N.W.2d 380 (1989). Examining
Peterson’s offer of proof in its most favorable light, it is evident that
he claims the trooper told him to immediately operate his car out of
the lot and, over objection by him, he did just that. If believed by a
jury, a law enforcement directive to a knowingly drunk person that
he or she operate a motor vehicle could be considered excessive.
The question of excessive inducement, urging or encouragement
was therefore put into dispute by the offer of proof.
¶13 The State’s third argument, and the argument seized upon by
the trial court for its holding, is that Peterson got drunk through no
fault but his own. And, he did so knowing that he was the sole
occupant and driver of his vehicle. So, the State apparently
reasons, what happened as a result was of his own making and not
the result of police action. The State cites two cases which, it
claims, support its rationale—Turnham v. State, 491 S.W.2d 898
(Tex. Crim. App. 1973), and Ijames v. Director of Revenue, 699 S.
W.2d 121 (Mo. Ct. App. 1985).
¶14 Neither of these two cases benefits the State. In Turnham,

officers responded to a disturbance at a service station managed by

Turnham. Turnham, 491 S.W.2d at 899-900. Turnham was
intoxicated but police allowed him to drive home. Id. at 900. On the
way, he was stopped by an officer who was unconnected to the
events at the station. Id. The court observed that an entrapment
defense requires that the crime originate in the mind of the officer.
Id. The court concluded that the officer’s conduct did not meet this
requirement: “[t]here is no showing that the officers caused
[Turnham] to drink or drive in such condition.” Id. Clearly, under
those facts, there was no inducement to drive shown by the officers
nor was there any absence of willingness on Turnham’s part. The
police did not hold the proverbial gun to Turnham’s head and order
him to drive. True, they did not stop Turnham from driving, but
they did not encourage or induce him to drive nor urge him to get
behind the wheel. Turnham’s actions were all of his own making.
¶15 In Ijames, the defendant’s wife was arrested for driving while
intoxicated. Ijames, 699 S.W.2d at 122. The defendant, a
passenger, was intoxicated too. Id. The wife refused the offer of a
tow truck and the officer then warned the defendant not to drive.
Id. But he did anyway and was promptly arrested. Id. The
defendant sought to raise an entrapment defense. Id. The court
held that, to prove entrapment, defendant needed to show both an
inducement to engage in unlawful conduct and an absence of
willingness to engage in such conduct. Id. The court concluded that,
while inducement was clearly shown because he was left alone in a
wooded area with only his car as possible transportation, there was
no absence of willingness to drive while drunk. Id. Here, too, the
police did not order the defendant to drive over objection by him.
¶16 However, in this case, if we believe Peterson, he was ordered

by the trooper to drive his car from the lot and he did so only after
his objections were turned aside. The two cases relied upon by the
State are thus inapplicable here.
¶17 So, what we are left with is the argument by the State, and
holding by the trial court, that persons who drink to excess of their
own accord cannot avail themselves of an entrapment defense.
Neither the State nor the trial court have explained why this is so.
But, we must assume that the rationale is based on Wisconsin law
which holds that, while police conduct of “inducement” is a
triggering factor, it is not controlling on whether or not the
defendant was “entrapped.” See Hawthorne v. State, 43 Wis. 2d
82, 91, 168 N.W.2d 85 (1969). Rather, the controlling question is
“whether the defendant is a person otherwise innocent.” Id.
(emphasis added). We further assume that, given the purpose of
the entrapment defense—to prevent agents of the State from
entrapping a citizen by forming a criminal design, and then inducing
this otherwise innocent citizen to commit it so that the government
may prosecute—the rationale is that the facts here show no such
thing happened. So, the State and trial court’s conclusion is that
Peterson did not engage in innocent behavior because he drank to
the point of intoxication and therefore the “criminal design” was put

in place by his conduct, not by police conduct.
¶18 We believe this to be the rationale because, frankly, we cannot

think of any other logical theory and, as we said, none was
provided. Given that theory, we must reject it. Peterson was, in the
eyes of the law, a frequenter on the Alpine Valley grounds, not a
trespasser. And there is no suggestion, that as a frequenter on the
evening in question, he was prohibited from drinking alcohol.
Indeed, drinking alcohol to excess, while inadvisable and unhealthy,
is not unlawful by itself. So, Peterson’s being drunk was lawful
conduct. What Peterson did next is also not only lawful, but
commendable. Knowing he was drunk, he decided to sleep it off
rather than operate his vehicle. So, up to this point at least—where
he was found sleeping in his car—he had not engaged in any
conduct that would be the catalyst for a criminal design.
¶19 What came next is disputed. Peterson claims that he was

awakened by a trooper, ordered to drive off the grounds despite his
being drunk, objected on grounds that he was too drunk to drive
and had his objection cast aside by the trooper. If this is true, then
a jury could find that the trooper put the criminal design in place by
ordering an intoxicated person to drive on the public highway
despite the person’s protestations. And, as we alluded to earlier, a
jury could also find the trooper’s order to be excessive, even
abhorrent. A jury might well conclude that the better action, even
assuming that Alpine Valley wanted Peterson off the grounds, would
have been to offer him a ride, call someone for him, or something
similar. Of course, if Peterson’s account is not true because the jury
so finds, then Peterson’s entrapment defense goes down in flames.
But, it will have been the jury that shoots the defense down, not
the court in response to the State’s motion in limine. We therefore
remand for further proceedings not inconsistent with this opinion.
By the Court.—Judgment reversed and cause remanded with

directions.
This opinion will not be published in the official reports. See Wis.
Stat Rule 809.23(1)(b)4.
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Not surprisingly, the trooper who was at the Alpine
Valley grounds had a completely different story. At the
motion in limine, the trooper testified that on July 3,
2006, he was on a detail working the grounds after a
concert, was informed by Alpine Valley personnel that
there might be a deceased person in a car located in
the parking lot, saw a person later identified as
Peterson sleeping in the car, banged on the windows
for a “good five, seven minutes,” shined a flashlight in
his face, and finally activated the squad’s siren and
lights before Peterson awoke. The trooper then testified
Registered: Jan 2008 that he talked to Peterson, asked if he was okay, told
Georgia
him that he was drunk and needed to sleep it off and
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trooper explained that this was not out of the ordinary
since there are “thousands of intoxicated … individuals
at Alpine [] Valley.” The trooper said that this
conversation took place at about 1:00 a.m. At 2:56 a.
m., he responded as back-up to another trooper who
had stopped an intoxicated driver, and upon arriving,
recognized the operator as the same individual he
talked to at Alpine.
I hope this guys attorney has an affidavit from this business that
they instructed this Trooper to remove this guy.
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It did not address the fact that Peterson was

underage. Peterson's attorney, Andrew
Mishlove, said that was irrelevant given the
other issues at stake.

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"Drinking ages" are numbers arbitrarily set by legislatures with
ulterior agendas and have nothing whatsoever to do with safety
or protecting lives and property. Mr. Mishlove is absolutely
correct: the "drinking age" factor is irrelevant, under ANY set of
circumstances.
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QUERY FROM A COP:

As any of you LEOs know, cops are among the world's biggest
practical jokers. We go to extreme lengths to put one over on each
other. How about sharing some of your best?

Location: ANSWER FROM ONE COP:
Posts: 5215 We had a guy here that was scared to death of bugs, especially
crickets. Bunch of his co-workers went to a bait and tackle shop and
bought dozens of crickets and slim jimmed his pickup while he was
on-duty. They filled it with all of the crickets and when he got in it
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him. He called the local Ford dealership, told them where the truck
was, had them come tow it in, and then he traded trucks.
I've seen "For Sale" signs placed on Sergeant's and Lieutenant's

cars while they were in Waffle House on their meal break. Seen
other officers houses listed for sale in the paper with unbelievable
prices on them next to their home phone numbers. Seen interesting
"scrolling marquee" screen savers put on all of the department
computers. Seen all sorts of stuff in this job.
Never done any of it though. No, I swear. Really!
ANSWER FROM ANOTHER COP:

When we first started carrying OC when I worked in TX, we all
thought it was great fun to figure out where to spray it for
maximum effect. It first started out being sprayed on the air intake
vents on the hoods of vehicles. This however, got EVERYBODY.
After many trial and error sessions it was mutually decided that the
very best place to spray it was on the door handle. That way, it got
on the guys hand. Usually it was noticed immediately if they had
any nervous habits, ala: picking noses, picking lips, rubbing eyes,
scratching balls while urinating, etc. On the most precious of all
trys, one guy didn't get it until he went out to eat and started
eating his burger. He swore death and dismemberment to all
involved over coded. Fabulous.

One guy I know put Vaseline on another patrol unit's windshield
wipers, then sprayed shaving cream on the windshield, causing the
victim to use the wipers to get the stuff off.
Another classic is to park all of the cars not being used during your
shift about an inch away from each other. Works best if the one in
the middle will need to be used next.
Along the lines of OC in the air vents, a less nasty trick is to find
some bad-smelling air freshener and cram it in there, lasts for
weeks.

Squirt baby powder into the AC vents of the patrol car. Turn vents
towards victim officer's body and turn the AC unit on high. Wipe the
vent clean of any visible powder. When the victim gets in and starts
up the car, his car turns into a blizzard. Works REALLY well if you
wear dark colored uniforms.
OC the door handle going INTO the bathroom/locker room. Victim

(s) get OC on their hand BEFORE they go take a leak, thus giving
them a new "warm" sensation.
Get a watermelon. Cut it in half longways. Scoops out all the melon,
leaving nothing but the outside. Get a jack and raise victims patrol

car's rear end. Place rind under the rear wheels and lower the car.
Get a knife and cut off the excess around the wheels. Officer will
then attempt to drive off, but will just sit there and spin. CAUTION:
Eventually, the rind will wear away and the tires will hit pavement.
If they have the wheels spinning fast enough, you WILL drop the
rear end onto the ground. Seen it happen!
Another favorite is to subscribe someone to magazines/CD clubs/etc

and request to "bill me later". Also, everytime you see a commercial
that says they will send you free information packets, call them and
give them someone else's name and the PD address.
We have had local real estate signs get "re-appropriated" from their
correct location to in front of City Hall, the police department,
Courthouse, all the fire stations, hospital and the Mayor's house.
Still don't know why the mayor wanted that sign dusted for prints!
For simple fun, wait until someone goes to the bathroom for a little
"paperwork". Let them get seated and started good then slip in and
turn the lights off.

That also reminds me of a joke that almost went really wrong.
When I first started at a UPD, I knew a lot of the guys with the local
city PD. They were great guys and LOVED to prank each other.
Anyway, here's this rook with the usual John Wayne deal. His patrol
super and another patrolman get with dispatch and stage an event
that had been a regular event. It was also done with the permission
of the bank in which it was done. The dispatch called this newbie on
his cel and told him that there was a burglar alarm activated at one
of the bank. He responds (as per policy) without lights and siren
and pulls in the back. Now, the super and the senior officer have
already been at the bank having been let in by the bank manager
(this is like 11pm guys). Both of them are on top of the walkway
that leads to the drive-up teller area with a bucket full of water-
baloons. When the rook shows up at the back door the super NAILS
him with a water balloon. The ballon hits him dead center in the
side of the head and the water splatters all over the wall next to
him. This officer told me later that he thought that he had just got
shot in the head and that it sounded like his brains had just
splattered all over the wall. He just about faints and starts
screaming, grabbing for his gun and radio in complete panic.
THAT's about the point that he sees the super and senior guy up on
the walkway laughing their asses off. He told me that the thought
to shoot them was only fleeting but definitely there.

Some things I've witnessed (but never been a part of ) were:
putting a racoon in the sergeant's unit (he put his car in a ditch)
OC spray on the end of the mark's cigarettes and putting them back
in the pack

Tightening my partner's duty belt two inches when he leaves it to

take a nature call and watching him try to put it on later
vaseline on the earpieces of the stations telephones

We had a dispatcher that was, say, a little ditzy. Okay, maybe a
LOT ditzy. One of the officers on graveyard shift managed to sneak
a portable radio under the driver's seat of her vehicle in the parking
lot. At about halfway through the shift, it is suggested that she go
take a break and get something from the nearby 7-11 to eat.
She gets into her car, and starts up, when the officer begins yelling
at her over the radio:
"PEGGY! PEGGY! DON'T BACK UP! I'M STUCK HERE UNDER YOUR
CAR!!"
"STEVE? OKAY, STEVE! DON'T WORRY, I WON'T!"
The crew is standing around the corner watching her, trying to hold
it in. She gets out of her car, down on her hands and knees, and
begins peering under the car.
"STEVE? WHERE ARE YOU, STEVE? I CAN'T SEE YOU!"
"RIGHT HERE, UNDER THE CAR, PEGGY! DON'T BACK UP!!"
Classic.

My Capt. loves to harass people while they are "busy" sitting in the
bathroom stall. He will throw firecrackers at you, turn the lights off
(one reason I carry my Stinger flashlight on day shift ) and toss
monster spitballs at you. He will get about 20 feet of John Wayne
toilet paper, soak it in the sink, wad it up and lob it over the top of
the stall onto the victim. They come out looking like they just took
a shower with their uniform on.

It is important to keep in mind possible danger/damage from
pranks. I used a few of those pull string poppers. (You pull string
and it goes bang) Tie radio mike to holder and call the squad on
something and when officer grabs mic to respond BANG BTW
summer night with windows open in squad and he really disearved
it...
He pulled a stunt on another officer where he hid in a building and
was on radio as if he was 6 miles away but comming fast as other
officer checked out open door/lights/movement in High School. He
did the water baloon thing and darn near got shot for it.........
I was riding with him and had my paintball marker and he wanted
me to shoot the neighboring squad car guy... I declined unless we
did a head to head with him on radio so they won't try to shoot
back with real guns. "say unit XYZ I have something my rider wants

to show you. Check this out." CHUNK>splat Chunk>splat..

Also have stolen the squad car a few times when they left keys in
unlocked unit. Call in to handheld of a car going into swamp on East
side of town. A White Crown Vic with lots of lights on it.
We ALMOST scared the @#$@ out of HS student who could give/
take a joke. He raced by thinking it was his friend in squad (it was)
but he whipped around and lit him up/pulled him over. The officer
wanted me to do felony stop via PA and then fire some blanks at
first hint of action not in keeping with my orders. (we got him
stopped about 2 miles outside of city limits) I refused but agreed it
would be great but the possibility of retaliation/danger was too
great to which officer agreed. Just scared him with unknown voice
CLAIMING to be officer from county.

one of the best gags we do is to take one of those heavy duty
plastic zip ties, about 3 feet long, and put them on the drive shaft
on the persons truck/car. MUST be rear wheel drive to work. When
they leave to go home,that zip tie makes a hell of a racket!! Drove
by many a co-worker pulled over looking under their truck!!

3 a.m. Put town drunk passed out on Chief's home porch glider and
rang doorbell before running like hell.
Had two fighting chickens put inside my cruiser, rear slider shut.
Retaliated by spraying foam insulation into mail slot of suspect.
Further retaliated by having subscription of Blueboy ( a gay

magazine) delivered to suspect by mail man during roll call.
Had my POV put on milk crates, spun tires, car went nowhere.
Retaliated by OCing suspect through bathroom door vent slots

when suspect was in middle of a #2.
Had "Honk for Gay Love" sign stuck on my car, drove home 40
miles before nearly being shot by 'Deliverance' gang.
Put "How is my Driving, Call 1-800 Eat SH*t" sticker on suspect's

cruiser bumper. That one didn't go over too well with mgt.

There was a member of management who would leave his
sunglasses on the desk when he went home. Someone took
them outside and used MACE on them. After they dryed,
they replaced them carefully on the desk. Monday morning
supervisor on way to coffee takes sunglasses with him.
He driving up the street and cant understand why he is
crying like a baby.

Back when you could still smoke in the break/briefing

room, there was one female employee who would buy her
Dr Pepper, take a drink and set it on the table. Then get
her cigarettes and go to the bathroom leaving the Dr Pepper.
There was also a coffee maker and a LARGE can of coffee on
the same table. While she is taking care of business, 2/3 of
the pop is poured out and replace with coffee grounds.
The look on her face after the next drink was priceless.
An officer got married and went to Acapulco on his honeymoon.

While he is gone, brother and friends did a little remodeling.
Seems the officer had an electric doorbell/chimes. They ran stereo
wire from the door chimes to the bedroom. (UNDER THE CARPET)
Somehow they installed a spring loaded plunger under the mattress.
When newlyweds returned, they sat down the street and watched
the fun. For some unknown reason, whenever someone sat on the
bed, the doorbell went off.The officer unplugged the chimes after
about an hour and a half.

Part of our department went out of town to LE driver training
several years ago at the highway patrol facility. An accomplice and
I found a six-foot stuffed styrofoam dummy in a closet and
proceeded to anchor it on the grill/pushbars of "someone's" squad.
Come morning, we have to drive to go get breakfast. "Someone"
gets in, streaks off. Thud. As the reat of us leave, we notice the
dummy in the parking lot with a tire track over him. We cover him
with a sheet and leave for breakfast.
As we pull into the restaurant, we see "someone's" squad backed

in, facing the street. Ripped off arm of this dummy is hanging out of
the grill. It was hard walking into the restaurant with a straight
face.

Close by surprise flash banging. Kind of dangerous though...
A seized commercial firework ignited in the alleyway of the PD

under a dumpster.
Blowing a lieutenant off the toilet with a bottle rocket.
Sneaking up behind a guy who was putting his pants on and placing
a black cat firecracker in his crotch.
Discharging a practice tear gas canister and making a guy look like
the Pillsbury Doughboy.
Setting an old polaroid flip flash unit off in a guys desk hooked up
to a battery and a mousetrap switch. Unfortunately set some
papers on fire...
Ah the good old days....Most of this now would get you canned...


Had a couple of older guys who always worked first shift decided to
mess with a new dispatcher. The dispatcher walked in one morning
and the two guys got into a very loud yelling match. One of the
guys pulls out a gun (a blank gun) and shoots the other guy who
immediately falls to the floor like he's really been shot. The
dispatcher freaked out.
Another guy dropped firecrackers under a fellow officer while he

was trying to serve a warrant. That officer then waited a few days
and got into the other officers car. He took a popsicle stick and a
pile of dog crap, then filled up the ashtray with the dog crap. The
car sat out in the sun for a couple of hours during summer time and
the victim officer couldn't find where the stink was coming from.
On the firing range, one of the rookies was talking a lot of junk. He
went to the port a potty and I drove my cruiser up against the door
so that he couldn't get out. Left him there for about an hour.
Some officers leave their cars running at the office. The cars are
often driven off and left at some other building so the victim officer
comes out and can't find his car.
One guy stuck a rainbow sticker on a Lt's unmarked car. After a

couple of weeks, his division had a "coming out party" for the Lt
who had never noticed the sticker on his bumper.

We were working at stakeout at a boat ramp due to a rash of
vehicle break-ins. There were 3 of us that night, all in camo and
hiding in the woods. Me and my partner linked up to take a break
and decided to mess with the other guy. We slipped around to
where our old unmarked suburban was parked and started beating
on it. We called the victim on the radio and told him to go check it
out to make sure no one was breaking in. Then we hid about 10
feet away and left the door of the suburban open. The victim shows
up later and is sneaking around (none of us were using lights) and
he freezes when he sees the open door. He calls me on the radio
and tells me that the door is open. I replied to him out loud without
using the radio and he jumped about 3 feet at the sound of my
voice! Then he tackled me and pummeled me a bit, but it was
worth it.

I hope it's not too late to add a few more in.
1. Order a dumpster to your victem's house.
2. If you know they're going to their car soon, hold a lighter under
the door handle for a while, you will know when they get to their
car
3. If someone has a bad habit of sleeping on the job, try this: Take
a lukewarm hotdog and move it along their lips and mouth, when

they start to wake up, pull it away and zip up your pants near their
ear.
4. Using a pair of pliers, hold a quarter over a flame until it gets

hot, then toss it into a hallway.
5. If you have your victems phone number, write it on the stall of a

public bathroom whth something like, for a good time call... etc.
(anyone remember that 80's song 876-5309?)
6. If you have stairs in your department, smear vaseline on the

hand rails. (very funny, trust me)

One night while I was still injured I was doing a ride with my hi
powered pellet gun. Well there was a mole type animal in alley
behind main street so I made a 50' shoot and hit it then a second
time as it crawled to cover. As I was on crutches officer offered to
finish it off. He was in dark with single shot pellet gun/flashlight
looking for it. I finally got there and as he moved some stuff I
yelled out "LOOK OUT, DON'T LET IT BITE YOU Or some such. He
jumped and tried to get out his duty gun without dropping his
flashlight OR my pellet gun.
He could have shot me with my own pellet gun which IS powerful
enough to kill if a perfect shot. (unlikely to even do serious damage
but would take eye and penetrate skin)
Safety was off and muzzle control went out window.
BTW it still was dang funny.

laundry detergent in the grass, when it rains it gets funny

We had a sack of sh## dope-smoking, glue- sniffing, gasoline-
huffing, coke-snorting, crack-smoking gangbanger in our town a
few years ago who donated some sperm to his "baby-mom" who
finally had enough of his crap and dumped him.
The guy started calling her 10X a day and threatening to kick her $$
$, kill her family, burn her house down, etc., and driving by the
house daily, getting out in the street in front of the house and
yelling profanities, etc..
I took the report, and while at the house, snapperhead calls, I take
the phone, and he threatens me too. (I then invited him to come
look me up and carry out his threat)
So, I filed stalking and threatening a P.O. charges on him, in
addition to several counts of violation of victim protective order
after he violated the order she later got. Problem was, we never
could catch the little bastard at the scene to grab him up. We
always missed him by a hair.
Anyway, about a year later, after he had been picked up by another
agency on the warrants, made bail, and was stopped by another of

my officers (not at her house this time) on traffic, the officer,

having a good memory, recognizes his name from an intel sheet I
put out on Flash Facts, does a search of his car (he was known by
the "babymom" to carry a piece in the car at all times) and finds
the gun. Unfortunately, (depending on how one looks at it) it was
unloaded, which was not a crime in our state. (he was too young to
have his first felony on his sheet yet, and his cases with
"babymom" were still pending in court)
My man (the officer) checks him for warrants, searches his person,
and, finding nothing, takes the piece of crap Lorcin apart, removes
the firing pin, throws it into a field (unbeknownst to snapperhead)
re-assembles it, and gives it back.
It'll be too bad, the day someone calls "big man's" bluff.

One time, a co-worker and I went out to another guys car and
wrapped about 200 feet of "Police line" tape over the truck and
added a nice bow on top.
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quote:
Bunch of his co-workers went to a bait and

tackle shop and bought dozens of crickets and
slim jimmed his pickup while he was on-duty.
Registered: Jul 2003 Sounds like Burglary to a Motor Vehicle and Disorderly Conduct
Location: Chicago, Illinois to me.
Posts: 9967
quote:

Seen other officers houses listed for sale in

the paper with unbelievable prices on them
next to their home phone numbers.
Fraud and Disorderly Conduct.
quote:
Another favorite is to subscribe someone to

magazines/CD clubs/etc and request to "bill
me later". Also, everytime you see a
commercial that says they will send you free
information packets, call them and give them
someone else's name and the PD address.
Sounds like fraud.
quote:
Had two fighting chickens put inside my

cruiser, rear slider shut.
Criminal Damage to State Property, Disorderly Conduct and a

violation of Federal Animal Cruelty laws.
quote:
We have had local real estate signs get "re-

appropriated" from their correct location to in
front of City Hall, the police department,
Courthouse, all the fire stations, hospital and
the Mayor's house. Still don't know why the
mayor wanted that sign dusted for prints!
Theft, no matter what term you replace "stolen" with.
quote:
wait until someone goes to the bathroom for a

little "paperwork". Let them get seated and
started good then slip in and turn the lights
off.
Grow up, stupid. This was fun in Kindergarten.
quote:

Also have stolen the squad car a few times

when they left keys in unlocked unit.
By this offers own admission, Vehicle Theft.
quote:
one of the best gags we do is to take one of

those heavy duty plastic zip ties, about 3 feet
long, and put them on the drive shaft on the
persons truck/car.
Disorderly Conduct.
quote:
Put town drunk passed out on Chief's home

porch glider and rang doorbell before running
like hell.
Kidnapping, Planting evidence and disorderly conduct.
quote:
Retaliated by spraying foam insulation into

mail slot of suspect.
Criminal Damage to Property.
quote:
Retaliated by OCing suspect through bathroom

door vent slots when suspect was in middle of
a #2.
Assault, Battery and disorderly conduct.
quote:
Put "How is my Driving, Call 1-800 Eat SH*t"

sticker on suspect's cruiser bumper.
Remember, these are the cops that will arrest a citizen for the
same thing.

quote:
there was one female employee who would

buy her Dr Pepper, take a drink and set it on
the table. Then get her cigarettes and go to
the bathroom leaving the Dr Pepper. There
was also a coffee maker and a LARGE can of
coffee on the same table. While she is taking
care of business, 2/3 of the pop is poured out
and replace with coffee grounds
Criminal damage to Property.
quote:
Close by surprise flash banging. Kind of

dangerous though.
Felony use of explosives, Disorderly Conduct.
quote:
A seized commercial firework ignited in the

alleyway of the PD under a dumpster.
Felony use of explosives without a permit, theft of evidence,

destruction of evidence, Disorderly Conduct.
quote:
Setting an old polaroid flip flash unit off in a

guys desk hooked up to a battery and a
mousetrap switch. Unfortunately set some
papers on fire
Arson, a felony
quote:
Had a couple of older guys who always

worked first shift decided to mess with a new
dispatcher. The dispatcher walked in one
morning and the two guys got into a very loud
yelling match. One of the guys pulls out a gun
(a blank gun) and shoots the other guy who
immediately falls to the floor like he's really

been shot.
Unlawful Use of a Weapon, Disorderly Conduct.
quote:
Another guy dropped firecrackers under a

fellow officer while he was trying to serve a
warrant.
Disorderly Conduct and depending on the state, possible

Unlawful Use of Explosives.
quote:
That officer then waited a few days and got

into the other officers car. He took a popsicle
stick and a pile of dog crap, then filled up the
ashtray with the dog crap. The car sat out in
the sun for a couple of hours during summer
time and the victim officer couldn't find where
the stink was coming from.
Felony Burglary to Motor Vehicle, Criminal Damage to Property,

Disorderly Conduct.
quote:
Some officers leave their cars running at the

office. The cars are often driven off and left at
some other building so the victim officer
comes out and can't find his car.
Vehicle Theft, Disorderly Conduct.
quote:
Take a lukewarm hotdog and move it along

their lips and mouth, when they start to wake
up, pull it away and zip up your pants near
their ear.
Sexual Assault, Disorderly Conduct.
quote:

If you have your victems phone number, write

it on the stall of a public bathroom whth
something like, for a good time call... etc.
(anyone remember that 80's song 876-5309?)
Vandalism. And it's "867-5309", stupid.
quote:
If you have stairs in your department, smear

vaseline on the hand rails. (very funny, trust
me)
Criminal Damage to State Property.
quote:
laundry detergent in the grass, when it rains it

gets funny
Criminal Damage to Property.
quote:
...and while at the house, snapperhead calls, I

take the phone, and he threatens me too. (I
then invited him to come look me up and carry
out his threat) So, I filed stalking and
threatening a P.O. charges on him
Stalking charges were inapropriate and blatantly fabricated, as

the officer invited the subject to look him up. Fraudulent
charges.
quote:
after he had been picked up by another

agency on the warrants, made bail, and was
stopped by another of my officers (not at her
house this time) on traffic, the officer, having
a good memory, recognizes his name from an
intel sheet I put out on Flash Facts, does a
search of his car ... and finds the gun.
Unfortunately, (depending on how one looks
at it) it was unloaded, which was not a crime
in our state. My man (the officer) checks him
for warrants, searches his person, and, finding

nothing, takes the piece of crap Lorcin apart,

removes the firing pin, throws it into a field
(unbeknownst to snapperhead) re-assembles
it, and gives it back.
Theft and Criminal Damage to Property.
Every one of the above examples is a crime, at the least a

misdemeanor crime of Disorderly Conduct.
DISORDERLY CONDUCT:
This offence is committed, in essence, whenever a person
engages in activities that annoy police officers or similar
officials, or come to their attention as a result of citizen
complaints.
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Nueces County sheriff says that all law enforcement should be
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Location: September 14, 2003
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What are Corpus Christi's most critical needs in the coming

years?
Nueces County Sheriff Larry Olivarez, 49, discusses this question in
the 11th of a series of interviews with community leaders.
What do you see, from your perspective, as critical needs for

Corpus Christi's future?
During this time with the threat of terrorism, diminishing budgets

and manpower cuts it's critical for law enforcement agencies to
come together as regional teams to ensure the future security and
safety of our citizens. I don't just mean sheriffs and police. I'm
talking about growing stronger collaboration between state, federal
and local law enforcement, as well as military, especially as we
compete for business and commerce.
Have we been disjointed with separate law and security

agencies not collaborating?
I think in the past there's been complacency among agencies about

terrorism and a lack of cohesiveness in terms of partnering with
each other.
What is changing that?
After 9-11 we really saw things start to change, with law

enforcement from all levels coming together with shared
information, technology and manpower. This has proven important
to departments like mine that have depleted manpower, because
we still have to cover and have a significant impact in the reduction
of crime.
Do budget cuts mean a significant impact for the safety of

citizens?
Managers of large departments are concerned. We have a

responsibility to defend and protect the community and also have
statutory requirements we must abide. Anytime you start losing
manpower that's taken a long time to train and get into position,
it's going to hinder the whole process.
Who takes the crime hit from losing front line officers - the
neighborhoods, businesses, or rural ranchers, farmers and
citizens?
From the municipal standpoint, the city's crime district policing has
literally led to a reduction of inner-city crime. It's the rural people
who will take the hit.
It's going to be hard to get public protection to those people who

need it in outlying areas when manpower is being cut.
So what's your plan for handling that critical need?
The positive thing about the crime rate in our area is that it's been
reduced. We actually have seen reductions in crime and jail
population because of teaming with other agencies, judges in the
courts, and district attorneys. It is very significant to our
community because it's not happening around the country. It's
happening in Corpus Christi and Nueces County. So, again, I say
the essential ingredient is continuing to enhance our agency

collaboration.
What is law enforcement doing to continue reducing crime?
We're tracking through intelligence that is now being shared. In the

past we couldn't keep up, but what we're seeing today between
agencies is a significant impact on crime traffickers, the drug
traffickers, the organized crime families.
The FBI, DEA, Customs, Border Patrol, all share their intelligence
now, and we've been able to be proactive in our responses.
What other problems do you see for our future?
We're going to continue to see a gang problem. It's a culture within

a subculture. It's been around since before I was a kid, and I don't
see it leaving.
Is gang activity on the increase?
The gang activity has decreased. In 1995, we had a drive-by

shooting at least once a week. The police department formed a
gang unit, we've installed software to document gangs and their
leaders. We've mapped out the crimes they were involved in.
There was a decrease in violence because we were monitoring them

closely.
Is gang activity related to a breakdown in family values?
I think it has a direct impact. When young people leave the family
and join a gang they're looking for the same feeling that family
should have given them to begin with. It gives them love, attention,
a financial base, protection - these are things that families should
give a young person. When they don't find it at home a lot of times
they find it in a gang.
Does more single parenting contribute to children aligning

with gangs?
I don't think that single parenting contributes directly to gang

affiliation for their children. I feel a great loving parent can show a
good moral character and discipline. Except, the time spent
between working and trying to make a living and spending quality
time with a child could make a difference. Single parents have to
work harder at home to make a difference in their children's lives.
Does a welfare-supported child grow up knowing the money

stops for them at age 18, leaving them with a sense of
fatality before adulthood?
Growing up in the barrios, like I did, I don't think so. I know a lot of
children raised in welfare households that in many cases had an
opposite effect and made more effort to go out to be successful.

Do you see critical issues for our future outside of the law
enforcement realm?
Same thing, we need to think as a regional team about business

and commerce. We need to find ways to succeed by capitalizing on
the Gulf, the port that drives our economy, to get all the regional
cities to share their needs and wants.
We need to find how to benefit from each other. Who knows -

what's good for Corpus Christi may benefit Rockport, whatever is
good for Robstown may help Kingsville. The payback is when we
start sharing thoughts and needs.
What's your best advice for our future?
One of the best things a community can offer is a safe environment

as an economic incentive for creating business and attracting
families. We're enjoying less crime rate than before, but I hope and
pray for continued collaboration between agencies to continue this
trend.
I remember when Weber was the south side, and Greenwood and
Saratoga were fields. We are growing and to help keep safely
growing - do not cut law enforcement.
Next week's Q&A: Oscar _Martinez, president and CEO of

Work-Force 1.
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The following post is quoted from a pro-police forum:
quote:
Had my first official complaint against me last night, a

loser kid, 24 yrs. old, hanging with all the under
18 yrs. old crowd down on the "strip" is swearing.
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I won't have it, so I get in his face to issue an up
Posts: 5215 close and personal warning (which I did from the
kindness of my heart instead of arresting him for
breach of peace). The loser informs me that he knows
his rights and will take issues up with my supervisor.
Now I have five excellent sergeants who will back

me up, so I'm not concerned at all. I explain to the

lost boy that I will write my badge number and name
down for him, since he appeared too stupid to
remember three digits during the one block march to
the station. Off he goes, looking like a pissed-off cross
between Eminim and Vanilla Ice.
07-18-2003 08:40 PM
duncan ***s suck

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arrest me
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado I have had similar situations but being older and more informed the
Posts: 9006 ***s refuse to arrest me when i tiell them to get Fk'd. Go Figure.
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07-18-2003 08:49 PM

Darryl I suspect from my experience that many of you cops could be

Senior Member arrested also and have warrents out for you if anybody would take
the information, Now maybe you are one of the honest ones? I like
Registered: Jul 2003 happy endings too, and if history is any lesson there will be a happy
Location: ending. See it is the kings men (Law enforcement) that spins out of
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control, and follows orders right or wrong need that money. I
supported law enforcement all my life till a group of thugs with
badges tried to rip me off.
So excuse my distrust of the badge but it was well earned.
07-21-2003 05:14 AM
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many of you cops could be arrested also and
have warrents out for you if anybody would
take the information
I disagree. The officer would simply fabricate further evidence

to justify his unlawful arrest, and his superiors would conspire
in covering for him as the above officer stated:
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quote:
I have five excellent sergeants who will back

me up, so I'm not concerned at all.
Police enforce what they want to, be it law, personal belief or

their own rules with no regard to the constitutional rights of the
people.
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Mack If The Site You Want To Access Is "law Enforcement Only"...

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(The following is a post from the administrator of a "law-

enforcement only" site. I wonder what would prevent
someone from registering for such a site using the name and
badge/serial number of any given cop? From the sounds of
it, all the administrators do is verify that there is a cop at a
given department who has a given name and number. It's
fun to sit back and be a "fly on the wall", observing the cops
Registered: Jul 2003 describing what they REALLY think and do).
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Verification of status is not a big deal. Your employer doesn't care

about verifing your status. We are not talking about where you live.
You probably don't realize how many people call about your status

at any time.
Your concerned about someone knowing your a leo, yet you state in
this public forum that you are ?
That confuses me. Most agencies know that there are LEO only
databases and LEO only restricted information. They are used to
getting calls confirming that your a leo. LEO only situations come
up so often around my agency, they have a special # to call and
verify. You can even do it online.
Here is a transcript of a call.
Major Police Dept may I help you ?
Yes , I would like to verify that Mr Pont I. Ficator works at your

agency, badge # 12345.
One moment please.
Yes he is a police officer here.
Thank you, have a nice day.

Click.
Most cops are so used to verification calls, they dont even blink. So
the question I wonder now is-- are you really a leo ?
Not that it matters, but if you ask nearly anyone here, (and the 100
+ guys on my site) it doesnt bother them for verification. They
actually encourage it.
Mike
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Do you ever see anthing good there ??
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Mack From my perspective, it's all useful.

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What's that old saying...? "Know your enemies". Or maybe "Keep
your friends close, and your enemies even closer".
Among other things, I like to learn how they think, what they
believe, what they consider "normal" behavior, what attracts their
suspicions, and what they unabashedly admit to getting away with.
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How do cops mark their private vehicles to indicate their officer status?
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Mack How do cops mark their private vehicles to indicate their officer
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How do you distinguish your POV to show that you are a

LEO?
NOTE: "POV" stands for "privately owned vehicle". "LEO" stands for
"law enforcement officer". "CO" stands for "corrections officer"- ie
jail guard.
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From my understanding the thin blue line plates are available to all
ranks of Law Enforcement Officers which allows each other a way to
recognize each other as such. I happen to have one for my POV and
like what it represents. I ordered it from GA., out of an article from
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American Police Beat magazine.I also happen to be a Correctional

Officer and several other CO's I know also have one's for their
POV's. It's not just a "COP Thing". Not wanting to get into the COP
vs CO thing again because it's been already beaten like a dead
horse, I will reming others that we do walk the same beat as your
regular cop and we are the difference between order and chaos as
the plate symbolizes, and lastly we are considered LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS and should be given that respect as we
have earned it.
ANSWER FROM ANOTHER COP

I have one of the 1* decals on my rear window - the one with the
thin blue line on it. It's down in the lower left corner, out of the
way. One of these days, I'll get around to putting one on the other
POV as well.

Like some of you i have that little black w/ a blue line sticker on my
rear windshield, because it means a little more than just to say "im
a cop".

...when I worked the road, it didn't matter if you had a PBA or FOP
sticker on the car. If the violation was serious enough for me to
stop you, you got stopped, stickers or no sticker (hell anyone can
get a sticker). If it turned out you were a cop, a cop's immediate
family, fireman, emergency room doctor you got a pass (no lecture
no BS). The truth is I expect to be treated the same way.

Gotta admit when I was a rookie I put a "Be secure all night Sleep
with a Cop" bumper sticker on my car. Then one day I went out
side and one of my headlights was smashed...I don't have squat on
my car now, not even an NRA sticker. Just an american flag sticker.
Keep the SOBS guessing...

I tied a piece of blue ribbon on the trailer hitch on my bumper.

In Oklahoma, most officers. have a little plastic badge that they
attach using the uppper license tag screw.

My wifes EX is a CO and his union puts out a special decal to put in
your window.. he says it works for getting out of tickets..


This is one of my biggest pet peeves. I see cars flying down the
street, the driver is driving like the world's biggest *****hole. I get
closer and see half a dozen FOP stickers and medallions on the
back, two or three in the windshield and a CPD checker hatband
hanging from the mirror. Then there are the guys I work with who
refuse to stop anybody with those stickers, I look at them like
"WTF?!?!" Just because you have a sticker on your car doesn't
mean a damn thing, any idiot or their mother can get one of those
and even if you do, what makes you exempt from traffic laws? It
shouldn't mean anything, but apparently to some of the guys I
work with it's carte blanche.

It used to be common in the Los Angeles area to see cars with a
license plate frame with the LAPD's FCC call letters on it. It became
quite well known to the public, after awhile, what those call letters
meant. I also heard that maybe 2 years ago, the department
advised against those plate frames as it seems that gang members
were trageting those vehicles for vandalism and they were
concerned about an officer being attacked as well. Don't know if
any attacks actually happened, but I never see those plates any
longer.

Both work and personal vehicles are non-descript. although, run
both plates or drivers license. It comes back to the department.
Its amazing when I'm driving home late nights or a place where the
feel that I don't belong, locals will pull me over/ due to "profilin" . I
sit back and enjoy the looks on their faces w/the results.

I have a NLEOMF decal on my rear windshield for no other reason
than that I support their efforts.

I have the little thin blue line sticker on the back window of my car
figure that most people don't know what it is.

Blue Line- You also have to look at it from the honor it shows. It is
not just to get out of tickets. Many do not know yet, but there has
been a bad incident in north-central Texas and at least one dead
and three wounded already tonight. The Blue Line means something
more to some of us.

for those of you that have mentioned The Blue Line Identifier, thank
you. it is the absolute best way for police to identify each other.
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GOD COP mack, you a glock owner huh?????

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mack, you a glock owner huh?????
Nothing wrong with Glocks :goodjob: They're good guns! But some
Registered: Jul 2003 of the people who shoot them are kind of narrow-minded
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I never stop for unmarked cop cars.
Registered: Jul 2003 Me neither, and I don't think anyone should. There's too many
Location: police impersonators out there.
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Exterminator The "Thin Blue Line Identifier" ain't worth spit! You can pick
Senior Member them up on Ebay! Most LEO's DO NOT ID their POV's for
obvious reasons! Maybe some of the one horse town cops do
Registered: Apr 2004 but none of the larger city agencies I know do.
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duncan You ain't worth spit copster and why would a copster be on a VFF?
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Gotcha liar.
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05-09-2004 02:24 AM
Matt1 quote:
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Registered: Feb 2004 why would a copster be on a VFF?
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why not? I know some that are.
05-09-2004 09:04 AM

duncan doesn't make sense

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cops are on duty 24/7 and I find it unlikely that a big city PD would
Registered: Jul 2003 allow a guy to be a VFF.
Posts: 9006 the copster termite inspector has made it obvious by his past post
that he is in fact a copster. he can deny it all he likes but why else
would he be here and posting p8g like info?
it easy enough to find out the name of the county in which Ft.
Collins resides and there are no VVF in the city but plenty of them
outside the city.
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05-09-2004 03:41 PM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. Duh!

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MANY POLICE OFFICERS ARE VOLUNTEER FIRE FIGHTERS!!!!!
Registered: Apr 2004 IN NEW YORK SUBURBS THE MAJORITY OF FIRE
Location: DEPARTMENTS ARE BASICALLY VOLUNTEER!
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05-18-2004 05:28 PM

duncan Not in major and minor cities they aren't and most copsters work in
Moderator the city.
Registered: Jul 2003 Most rural areas have VFD's.

Posts: 9006 The one in question is not a tax funded VFD and I supsect it has
very limited resources.
No need to lie I know how VFD's function and we all know that it
was you NYC copsters that got those FF's killed at the WTC on
9/11/01.
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05-18-2004 06:20 PM
Exterminator You're COMPLETELY OUT OF YOUR MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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IT'S NOT AGAINST THE RULES TO VOLUNTEER YOUR
Registered: Apr 2004 SERVICES AS LONG AS THERE'S NO CONFLICT WITH THE
Location: JOB!!!!!!
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FYI THERE ARE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN MAJOR &
MINOR CITIES AND IN RURAL AREAS!!!!!!
05-18-2004 08:37 PM

duncan Where is there just one VFD in the city of Ft. Collins?
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No copsters on my VFD and none in the fire district north of me.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado No name p8g means you be a lying sack of sh8t and they never
Posts: 9006 heard of you at the RCVFD.
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05-18-2004 11:18 PM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. SO WHAT DISTRICT DO YOU VOLUNTEER IN?????????????

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duncan I could post a district and you still wouldn't have a clue where it is
Moderator ya stupid f*cking P*G!!!!
Registered: Jul 2003 No on has heard of this guy, thus the swine lied.
Posts: 9006 No name means that there is no way to verify is the scumbag is
telling the truth.
Say p8g did you kill any NYCFF today?
So why did ya lie about Standing bear?
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05-19-2004 03:16 PM
navyfiveo I am a medic for a VFD. I volunteer 24 hours on my short work

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Registered: Sep 2004 Wait.....Are medics and Firefighters bad guys too?
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09-27-2004 01:08 AM
duncan so?
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we all volunteer on this forum
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado none of us copwathers enjoys having to stand up to copsters and
Posts: 9006 their police state
we have all paid our dues so don't whine to us or try to seek any
pity from us.
the vast majority of VFF are not copsters and most of us have no
use for copsters.
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09-27-2004 11:45 AM
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How do cops mark their private vehicles to
indicate their officer status?
The occupant will smell like a pile of shit and will probably be
breaking the law.
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L.E. Hero Now that's funny. Last time I checked Albert, the criminals were
Senior Member puking and crappping on themselves. The evil cops clearly make
them piss on themselves!
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How do cops mark their private vehicles to
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The occupant will smell like a pile of shit and will probably be
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The Chief And the copwatchers guys will have a POS, with a bumper sticker
Senior Member that reads "Bad cop, no donut", will usually be filled with porn and a
N@zi flag, stink of pot and meth, and have plenty of moving
violations to write for.
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11-16-2005 06:50 AM

Navigatr1 The Chief, would you target a vehicle if it had anti-law enforcement
Extended Sabatical bumber stickers on it such as "bad cop, no donut"? If the car didn't
have the bumper sticker, would you give it the same scrutiny?
--Navigatr1
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their people."
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11-16-2005 11:02 AM
GC Marciano Interesting. I have none of the above.

...Another lie from a cop.
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The Chief, would you target a vehicle if it had
anti-law enforcement bumber stickers on it
such as "bad cop, no donut"? If the car didn't
have the bumper sticker, would you give it the
same scrutiny?

He's a cop. He will try to fuck over anybody suspected of not
Posts: 9967 kissing his worthless ass.
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duncan The p8g is a nazi so of course he would target.

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he hates free speech and he hates freedom this is why he is here
Registered: Jul 2003 trying to ruin our forum.
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The Chief quote:

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The Chief, would you target a vehicle if it had anti-
law enforcement bumber stickers on it such as
Registered: Nov 2005 "bad cop, no donut"? If the car didn't have the
Location: bumper sticker, would you give it the same
Posts: 283 scrutiny?
--Navigatr1
That's a good one, and tough to answer and judge. At a cop's

disposal are the options to let someone off with a warning or 2
week Motor Vechicles violation (fix it, and no ticket).
Will having a bumper sticker that says "Bad cop, no donut" or some
choice lyrics from Eazy E's "Cop Killer hurt your chances of getting
one of these? For some officers yes, for myself, no.
I and most judge based on driver attitude. If I walk up and the first
thing I hear is: "Fuqk you piq", you might as well sign the ticket
form. If you engage in conversation politely and act like a normal
person, I'll be more apt to let you off.
However, we don't have to let people off, we can write tickets till
our heart's content for violations. So to say I have to let someone
off because of a bumper sticker that may offend me is wrong, the
driver still broke the law and can be charged the same as everyone
else, bumper sticker or not.
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Will having a bumper sticker that says "Bad
cop, no donut" or some choice lyrics from Eazy
E's "Cop Killer hurt your chances of getting
one of these? For some officers yes, for
myself, no.

Yeah right. Thats what they all say.
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You're a documented hypocryte and liar. Nobody believes you.
PS: Eazy E didn't do Cop Killer.
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L.E. Hero Albert is correct here. Ice t did Copkiller. Easy E was a part of N.W.
Senior Member A. or Niggers With Attitude. They did Fu c k the Police .
Registered: Jul 2005 Then poor Easy died of AIDS.

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11-22-2005 10:11 AM
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Albert is correct here. Ice t did Copkiller. Easy E
was a part of N.W.A. or Niggers With Attitude.
Registered: Nov 2005 They did Fu c k the Police .
Location:
Posts: 283 Then poor Easy died of AIDS.
That's right, thanks for the correction. I just don't really listen to
stuff like that to know the difference.
It's all: bump....bump.... fuk da police.... die piq.... bump.....
bump...
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11-24-2005 12:33 AM
L.E. Hero Nazi? Oh please!

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12-04-2005 11:17 PM

duncan yer the one wearing black and kicking doors in

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12-05-2005 09:14 AM
L.E. Hero our?

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You don't own this forum or any part of it!
Location: Virginia Therefore, you have no right to accuse me.
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12-05-2005 09:14 PM

duncan No one invited you to invade our home p*g.

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12-06-2005 11:25 AM
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You don't own this forum or any part of it!
There goes the resident dumbass talking out his uneducated ass
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L.E. Hero And what part of the forum do you own Albert? Duncan?
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GC Marciano Collecting evidence for something?

Shut up stupid, nobody is required to answer your questions. If
admin wanted ownership to be publicly known it would be
clearly published on the site.
Now carry on with your desperate little guesses, stupid.
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duncan One things is sure godslop owns nothing.

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The man is a parasite living off the hosts of this website.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado What part do you own p8g? nothing
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12-13-2005 11:33 AM
GC Marciano He owns nothing. He is a measly servant to the public.

But like any worthless lazyass he refuses to do his job.
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