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120609, 09:16AM #1

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Snowblowerseasonisnowuponus.Goingtobuyanewsnowblowerthisyear?Butyoudon'tknowhow
powerfulitis?Hereisanapproximatecctohorsepowerchartforsmallengines.ThischartONLYgives Task
anIDEAofhowmuchhorsepowerCANBEachievedbyastockengineofthatCCsize.Therearetoo
manyvariables,suchascarbsize,mufflerflow,timing,valveduration.Someoftheseweretakenfrom ZIP
adsthatstated"replacement179ccenginefor5hpsnowblowers".Thisjustletsyouknowthata179cc
enginecanNOTbea10hpengine.Hopethishelpsindecidingwhichsnowbloweryoubuy.

123cc=4hp Search
179cc=5hp
208cc=5.5to6hp
277cc=7to8hp
291cc=9hp
305cc=9to10hp
342cc=11to12hp
357cc=13hp
420cc=1315hp

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120609, 09:53AM #2

Join Date: Feb 2001

the_tow_guy State: FL
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Oh,Idon'tknowanIndycargetsabout700HPoutof4.0L(4,000cc's)or1hpper5.7cc's,soin
theoryyoucouldgetabout32HPoutof179cc.OfcourseIwouldn'twanttobetheguydrivingit.

Measureitwithamicrometercutitwithanax.

120609, 10:06AM #3

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Airman State: TN
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Thenumbersindypower1postedaregoodnumbersforgeneralconversionofSTOCKOPEengines.

BriggsandStrattonisnowusingTorqueratinginsteadofHP.IfIremembercorrectlyafederallawwill
requireallOPEenginestousetorqueratinginthefuture,Icouldbewrong.BelowissomeconversionsI
foundandanarticle.

205cc=8to9GrossTorque=5.5to6hp

250cc=11to11.5GrossTorque=7to8hp

305cc=13.5to14.5GrossTorque=9to10hp

342cc=15.5to16.5GrossTorque=11to12hp

http://www4.briggsandstratton.com/mi...P3845_1106.pdf

BriggsandStrattonmodelnumbersconverttocubicinches

1cubiccentimeters=0.061cubicinches.Thatmeanswheneveryouwanttoconvertaccquantityinto
cijustmultiplyitby0.061.

120609, 07:53PM #4

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hopkinsr2 State: Non-US
Member Posts: 1,556

IhavetowonderattheTorquenumbersbeinghigherthantheHPnumbers...Thesearefairlyprimitive
engineswith1piston&ifyoulook@multicyloverheadcamfuelinjectedengines,thetorquenumbers
areusuallylowerthanHPeven@therepeakRPM's...Iknowthisiswhattheyclaimbutmathsaysa12
HPenginehas8ft/lbs(Torque=HPxRPM/5250)SomeonecorrectmeifI'mwrong,,butthenumbers
theyclaimdon'taddup,,,atleasttome...Roger

120709, 05:08AM #5

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the_tow_guy State: FL
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Well,thereareallkindsofwaystoskewnumbers.Youknowtheoldsaying,therearethreekindsof
lieslies,damnlies,&statistics.

Measureitwithamicrometercutitwithanax.

120709, 05:54AM #6

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BFHFixit State: KS
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OriginallyPostedbyhopkinsr2
IhavetowonderattheTorquenumbersbeinghigherthantheHPnumbers...Thesearefairlyprimitive
engineswith1piston&ifyoulook@multicyloverheadcamfuelinjectedengines,thetorquenumbersare
usuallylowerthanHPeven@therepeakRPM's...Iknowthisiswhattheyclaimbutmathsaysa12HP
enginehas8ft/lbs(Torque=HPxRPM/5250)SomeonecorrectmeifI'mwrong,,butthenumberstheyclaim
don'taddup,,,atleasttome...Roger
Thereareafewthingsthatwillchangethecalculatedtorque.ForonethingHoppy Fullloadtorqueis
HPx5252/RPM(HowtoCalculateaMotorTorque|eHow.com)
12HPx5252=6302,63024/3600RPM=17.5

Anotherthingespeciallywithauto'siswheretheymeasurethetorque.Itwillbelessifmeasuredatthe
drivewheelsthanatthecrankshaft.Icanonlyimaginetheymustgetcreativewiththeotherformula
forTorquewhichisT=F(forceinlbs.)xD(distanceinft.)
Actuallyasinglecylinderengineismoreefficientthanmulticylinderengine.Likewiseonceyoustart
addingtransmissionsandgearing,furtherefficiencyislost.

120809, 09:03AM #7

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BFHFixit State: KS
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HopkinsIcan'tbelieveyougaveupthateasy Iwashopefulofanintelligentdiscussion...withyou
providingtheintelligencepart

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Atanyrate,anotherconsiderationwouldbeiftheformulaT=FxDwasactuallyused,thenthe
momentumor"massinmotion"wouldbeadeterminingfactor.Withhigherperformanceengineslighter
weightmaterialsareusedthroughoutwhichallowsforhigherRPM'sandincalculationhigherHP.
Howeverwhenyoutransferthattotorque,lessmassinmotionwillresultinlesstorqueoractualwork.
MoreHPresultsinmorespeedoncemoving,butfullloadtorqueislikedroppingtheclutchatastand
stillormovingdeadweightandmomentumcanplayabigpart.

ForthisreasonIwilltakeastraightsixinaworktruckoveraV8anydayoftheweek.Generally
speakingIthinkaninlinewillhavebettertorque/horsepowerratingthanaVconfigwill.Flat,boxedor
opposedconfigwouldbesecondfortorquebutfirstforlongevityIMO....

120809, 09:28AM #8

Join Date: Mar 2005

Concretemasonry State: MN
Member Posts: 6,110

Whenyougetintotheexoticengines,everythingchanges.

AFormula1engineisa2.4or2.0literV8(downfromtheoldV10sandV12s)thatputsoutwellover
850hpandisgovernedtolimitrevstolessthanabout19,000rpm(220mph).Itweighsabout225#.It
isdesignedtonotjustgofast,butbeabletopusha1220#cararound10to15corners(leftandright)
ineachlap.Stoppingandaccelerationarethemaincriteria.Theenginesareonlyabout$500,000+,but
youstillneeda747forthecars,exercisegymanddrivers.The300engineers(electronics,engineand
tires)followinanother747.Themaintenanceisprobablyquitehigh,especiallywhenyoutravelwith
$250,000ofsparerotorspercar.

Itisinteresting,butIdon'tthinkIwouldgoforaFerrariorMercedesformysnowblower.Ilovedmy
old8hpinnorthernMichigan,butcouldnevergetoutearlyenoughtobeatmyneighborstoblowmy
sidewalkanddriveway.

120809, 05:32PM #9

Join Date: Feb 2005

hopkinsr2 State: Non-US
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SorryBFH,,Ididn'tgoaway,,butwe'resupposedtoget30cm(12inches)ofsnowtomorrow& Like 1.2Mpeoplelikethis.Bethefirstofyour

everyoneisexpectingmetofixtheresnowblowerNOW..Atransmissionorarearaxleisatorque friends.
multiplier,,soiftheymeasureitatdrivewheels,,itshouldbeheigherthantheenginecangenerate,,,
You'rrightwiththemaththo,,IdontknowwhereIcameupwiththat,,theoldmemoryisn'tsogoodas Follow 9,362followers
Ithinkthat'stheHPformula..Torqueisthetwistingforceonthecrankshaft&Ireallydon'tseehow1
powerimpulseevery2crankrevscanbemoreefficientthanamulticylenginewhereyoumayeven
+2 Recommend this on Google
haveapoweroverlapwithmorethan1cylinderatatimeturningthecrank,,,Justthinkingoutloud...
Roger
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120809, 05:55PM #10

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NoproblemwithExcel.

FittingabeststraightlinetotheOP'sdatagivesHP=ccx(0.038)2.0.

So,for291cctheformulagivesyou9.1hp(vs9.0actualdata),andforeachadditionalccyouget
0.038hpadditional,onaverage.

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