Is that a fair, fair thing to say? >> Well lucky and, and, unfortunate because, once you find a particularly important deposit. Which the Maya found important and in which they invested a lot of treasure and labor. You've basically usurped your project. You've had to invest, reapportion how you're spending your funds because these finds come along by sheer serendipity. By sheer chance, and you've got to deal with them. One of these finds, too, was that of a royal tomb and you can see behind us. The drawings that I did for some time afterwards based on hundreds and hundreds of photographs. And many, many field records of what this tomb might have looked like. So, this is the most complex deposit imaginable. And this is one that takes all of your skill and then takes you beyond your skill level. It's rather frightening to dig because of the level of responsibility involved. >> And it was also frightening I gather because of the situation. Tell me, tell me the story of the discovery. >> Well, it's, when you find one of these, sorts of tombs, in the old days of course no had cell phones and you could actually keep these things under lock and key so to speak. But now every worker has a cell phone and before you know it in the regional capital there were taxi drivers discussing our find and we had no security at the site. So, all of this weighs heavily on you as project director. You worry about everyone's security. It gives a kind of urgency to these deposits for two reasons. First, because the deposit has been stable, more or less, for 1600 years. And it begins to deteriorate very rapidly, so there's an urgency to getting it out of the ground. And then secondarily because of these security concerns, we wanted to get these finds out as soon as possible. Essentially to, get everything, up to the Guatemala City. >> For conservation >> For conversation, So it's not stolen as have been so many other objects at the site. >> Early on in the course I talk about irritating it is when people say, oh you're an archaeologist. And what you need to be an archaeologist? You need to be lucky, and find cool things and treasure and all that good stuff. And usually I'm, when people do find good, sexy things, I go [SOUND], but this is important for me. >> Yeah. It is. We're not supposed to be looking for these things as archaeologists, but sometimes they just hit us on the head. >> Yeah. >> We come across them and then they, as I said, have to be dealt with. They, the, they're worth looking at, though, for many reasons. Particularly a royal tomb such as this because they're so dense with information. The Maya have invested so much energy into them. But also thought and so, the, the deposits that they left behind, such as in this royal tomb, tell us an enormous amount about what they thought kings did what kings were supposed to do in the after life. And they give you a glimpse into the rich inventory of material that they had at the royal courts. In a way that would have been scattered, and broken, and not available to us by any other means. So, they're worth the investment. They're worth doing carefully. And from them we get a much clearer idea of what Maya kingship might have been like for these people. Of, of the, the very hyper-elite, you might call them. The most important individuals who govern. >> We're seeing this society as a [SOUND] a pyramid and within that body is the, the apex. >> Even, even beyond that I would say. These people are close to gods. In other words they're almost floating above earth in a sense literally. Through their ultimate homes in these tombs but also because they're individuals who had unique communion with deities. And shared some of the essence of gods as the [CROSSTALK] tell us. >> How, how do you read. I mean that association with divinity is that through the texts that we have? Or is it through your reading of the material in the tomb or a combination? >> It's from the inscriptions. >> Ah. >> Because they tell us that they are divine, that they're sacred beings, that they're god like if not gods themselves. So, these royal personages such as the, elderly man who was put in this tomb. Are like humans but they are unlike them as well. And they give us a glimpse into what held these societies together. Which was, not only coercion and violence and heavy taxation but also because people believed in these kings. >> This interesting mix of symbolic and coercive power that we see again and again and again in these complex societies. Is he the only body in there? I mean? >> No, he's also went to his reward with a lot of in this case, infants and also small children. We don't understand exactly what was going on >> Are there other places where we know that happens. >> Yeah that's a good question. There really are only places like Tikal have this kind of pattern. So something very localized, from what we understand to these children and infants were not related to one another. So, how they got in the tomb is very likely to involve sacrifice. And very likely to involve even captives or coercive measures. >> Baby captives. >> Possibly. >> How do we know they're not related. I didn't, I [CROSSTALK] >> Because of some of their dental characteristics. >> Mm-hm. >> Some of the characteristics of their bodies tell us that they're very unlikely to have been related. >> Mm-hm. Okay. So, let's look at some masks. Tell me about these things. >> Well one of the ways we find things is I said going into looters tunnels. And they, unfortunately discovered many fine, fine objects. And occasionally however, they didn't excavate things completely. They weren't scientists. They're not interested in that. They're after goods that they can market. On some of these. >> Pompeii. >> Absolutely. And, and in some of these tunnels, we did discover, remains, that were really very spectacular. Covering, for instance, this tomb that we were just looking at of the king, was, a very impressive building. And it was covered almost with every square inch by richly and deeply modeled stucco. >> And that survived? >> It did because the Maya aren't like us. They don't build a structure and then level it in order to start over again. They encase it within layer after layer as they do refurbishments or reconstructions, they'll simply place more on the top. >> So they, they're doing their own conservation in a way. >> That's right. And, and inside are cocooned, in this case, features that are preserved, because they haven't been hit by the elements. By rain, by sun over the millennium over the hundreds of years. So, there's a little bit of paint left and some cases a lot of paint. But also, these kinds of deeply carved and modeled stucco that helped to tell us something about the building in which this king was found. >> When, when you know who all those, things, people, gods, animals. >> We, we do. And, and what we know also is we can discover it very quickly that it's possible to tunnel very close to these. And be able to eventually get an idea of what the stuccoes looked like. Now you can't get a single image so that the slide we're looking at behind us is actually computer mosaic. It's done from many, many hundreds of different images. >> I see. >> That were taken simply with a camera. >> So photogrammetry. >> That's right and then they're pieced together. It actually becomes a three dimensional model of what we call a point cloud. This was done by colleagues of ours at Arkansas. And it allows us to see the stuccoes in a way that's simply not possible today. We're not going to strip away all of the overburden, it's better to tunnel. And in Guatemala we have laborers who are very adept at tunneling. They do it safely. With great great deal of safety. They know which rock to remove. It's almost like a chess game. You have know which rock to move. >> So you're not sort of thinking, oh lets make this a tourist site we'll clean it off. I mean how long would this last if you stripped all the cover off and said let's look at the nice stucco masks. It wouldn't, it wouldn't last more than a year or two at most. And >> Okay. >> We do know it was exposed for a bit of time before the Maya sealed it. Because the, the paint itself has somewhat eroded, so it gives you a sense it was probably exposed for a generation at most. >> So is it telling a story? I mean, what's? >> Yeah, yeah. What it's doing, is it's showing us all aspects of the sun. And it including in this one behind us, the rain god of the Maya who is regarded as a kind of hairy, very noisy guy. Of course all storm gods are going to be quite noisy because of the sounds they issue. >> Hairy? >> Hairy is, is something we understand a little bit less. But all of these masks which are showing the gods facing out at us. Are separated also by what we call sky bands. And what they're doing is they're showing, in a very schematic stylized way, what the Maya thought the sky looked like. It contained elements of Venus, stars, and in this case little beads that probably indicate jewels. So it's a almost rich, it's almost a poetic conception, the jeweled sky. >> [CROSSTALK]. Now on them are floating these masks of the sun, as I said and also in this one case, of the rain god. The sun makes sense because we know this was a being that the royalty identified themselves very closely with. And their title, one of their most important titles generally was to liken themselves to the sun. Now, we also see, >> Phenomenon yeah. >> Absolutely, and the other reason why we suspect this is going on, is because it's not just one aspect of the sun, it's looking at the sun an all of it's cycles. That is, as a being that might rise out of the Caribbean. As the sun would do on the eastern horizon as would pass over head. And eventually would sink into the Gulf of Mexico. And then as it passed underneath, the Maya thought of it as a being that had jaguar-like characteristics. And so across this facade are all of these different aspects of the Sun god as it's going through cycles. Now why would that be important? It's because the idea that the king is just not fixed and then he passes away is an important one. The idea that the king is part of a cycle, ever returning, ever coming back. Is, is in some ways a reassuring message to everyone around them. The kingship is always here. >> That's you see that in Greek and Roman art as well. You know, the chariot of the sun, and you know, and the idea that, It comes, it goes, but it comes back. And, >> Mm-hm. >> That's what's happening here. >> Mm-hm.