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Interview #1:
Robert Stanley Interviews Wes Penre
[Original Interview at, http://www.unicusmagazine.com/Insightful_Interview.htm]
Reposted here by Wes Penre, Friday, Sep. 2, 2016
Robert Stanley
Wes Penre
UNICUS: I suspect there was an important moment, or moments, of

clarity that caused you to see beyond your research as the editor of Illuminati
News to the bigger picture regarding humanity’s hidden history. What was
it that inspired you to devote so much time and energy to researching and
writing the Wes Penre Papers and exposing the Alien Agenda in such
dramatic detail?
WES PENRE: I posted the first articles on the Illuminati-News.com web
site in 1998. Since then, it's been an amazing journey all the way up to now
[July 2016]. And when I look back, I am surprised to see how seamlessly one
learning lesson has led to another. I knew some about the ET situation already
when I began editing Illuminati News, and I dedicated a section to that topic,
but I was just in the beginning stages of learning about the truly amazing
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complexity of what we're facing with the ET issue.

To answer your question, the turning point came when I found two
essays online, co-written by Dr. A.R. Bordon, a retired quantum physicist
(now deceased), who together with a few other scientists formed the "Life
Physics Group California" to explore and expose the ET issue—more
specifically, the "Anunnaki issue." I posted these two essays on my blog and
they are still there. One is named "The Link" and the other is named "Between
the Devil and the Returning Rock".
Shortly after publishing these two essays, I was contacted by Dr.
Bordon, who thanked me for posting them. He wanted them distributed as
broadly as possible, and I had a fair number of visitors to my web site. Dr.
Bordon and I began to communicate, and I learned that he and his group of
quantum scientists apparently were in physical contact with some of the
"Anunnaki," whom I most commonly call the "Alien Invader Force" (AIF) in
my papers and in my new book:
I learned a lot from my discussions with Dr. Bordon, and some of it was
used to create the "Wes Penre Papers—The First Level of Learning." This had
a lot to do with the "Anunnaki issue," as Dr. Bordon sometimes called it. I had
read Zecharia Sitchin years before that, but when I started digging deeper
into ancient mythology, I found a totally different story emerging than the
one Sitchin had given us in his "Earth Chronicle Series." Therefore, one major
catalyst that made me look deeper into this subject was my discussions with
Dr. Bordon. Our conversations inspired me to begin to seriously research the
"Anunnaki enigma."
The Second through Fifth Level of Learning in my Papers are the results
of my diving deeply into the ancient texts that are available to us. I was
analyzing and then reanalyzing them and reaching some interesting
conclusions. I found that there are hidden stories within the stories, and that
the real connections could not be made until these subtle stories, hidden in
plain sight, were found. The ancient texts were often dictated to a scribe by
the "gods" themselves (the AIF), so the AIF decided what was going to become
our history and what was to be excluded (and or altered). It's a trademark of
the gods that they want to hide the truth in plain sight (the Global Elite do
the same thing). You have to be willing to look at what is really there below
the surface, and not focus only on what is obviously on the surface, in order
to get a more complete story.
UNICUS: Well, I found that your five Wes Penre Papers contain a
comprehensive account of a very complex history of our Creation and the
corruption that took place after a civil war in Orion began, and it is still going
on. Your diligent research helped me fill in some blank spots in my quest for
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answers, which I am very grateful for. You have published an amazing

amount of research material on the Internet, which must have taken a lot of
time and effort, and it’s all free. Why is that?
WES PENRE: Since I was a little kid, I have always been very curious
about things that have to do with what we cannot see, hear, touch, smell and
taste. I "knew" that there was more to existence than what I was experiencing
here on Earth. From the third to sixth grade, I often went to the library after
school and studied astronomy and other interesting topics. I could sit for
hours in the library just looking at pictures of planets, stars, and galaxies and
learn about their distance in light-years, which Spectral Class certain stars
were in, according to the Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram, etc. I thought it was
mind-blowing, and perhaps most of all, I found the Universe immensely
beautiful and mysterious.
Throughout my life, I have almost always researched one thing or
another--things we never learned in school. When the Internet came along,
and I could afford my first personal computer in 1998, I saw the opportunity
to share with others what I've learned. This was something I had always
wanted to do, but up to that point hadn’t had the chance. I began to realize
that what I was looking into was very important--not only for me, but for
everybody. I couldn't just sit there with all that information and not share it.
Therefore, I created my first website, the Illuminati News, and I went on from
there. The more I learned, the more passionate I became about sharing
information and insights.
Although it's very hard work (I've spent countless early mornings doing
research and writing before going to my regular job), but when I see the
response I get from my readers, it really encourages me to keep doing this. I
could probably make some money out of this, which I perhaps would be
entitled to because I have been doing this without getting paid (in fact, it costs
me money to do it), but I can't justify charging for information that should
have been free in the first place if it hadn't been covered up by the
"authorities." Moreover, if I decided to charge for it, fewer people would read
it because not everybody has the means to pay for things they read on the
Internet. I want everybody who has a connection to the Internet to be able to
read what I publish, whether they are rich or poor.
I will probably continue doing this as long as my body/mind/spirit
hold up, and I anticipate that will be for many years to come. But in order to
do this, one has to have a passion for it. Without that passion, you can’t work
at this pace for a very long time.
UNICUS: I know what you mean. I also know that no matter how well
you communicate what you learned about the Alien Agenda and its effects
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on mankind, it's all a bit complicated for some people to follow.

You once told me that there are actually only a small cast of characters
known by many different names. If possible, can you summarize who's who
in all this?
WES PENRE: There is no doubt that there were many different "gods"
here in ancient times. However, only a few are actually mentioned and
named in the old Hindu, Sumerian and Babylonian scriptures, as well as the
Egyptian, Roman and Greek records.
Their names (which are really often titles) are many, but when we
begin to research this, we realize that most of these names correspond to the
same few beings. And sometimes En.ki, Marduk, and Ereshkigal hijacked the
names of known leaders to otherwise discredit the Queen of the Stars and
King En.lil (Sr.), who have little to do with the agenda that En.ki, Marduk,
and Ereshkigal set up here on Earth. Here are a few examples off the top of
my head to illustrate how a few beings share a number of different names:
Queen of the Stars, (En.ki's and Ninurta's mother and En.lil Senior’s
consort): a.k.a. Mother Goddess, Ninhursag, Nammu, Ma, Orion Queen, Nin,
Ninmah, Artemis, Sophia (Earth in the Gnostic texts), Hera, Diana, Antu, Gaia
(Earth).
King En.lil Sr., (En.ki's and Ninurta's stepfather): a.k.a. Anu/An,
Oceanus, Geb, Uranus, God of the Hunt (Orion).
Prince En.ki, (son of the Queen of Orion, brother of En.lil Jr.): a.k.a. Ea,
Sin, Nannar, Osiris, Ptah, Zeus, Thoth, Quetzalcoatl, Loki, Ningishzidda,
Nergal (King of the Underworld/Hell), Poseidon, Neptune, Mercury, Oannes,
Saturn (after the Invasion. Saturn used to be Ninurta/Prince En.lil), Hermes,
Krishna, Vishnu.
Marduk, (son of En.ki): a.k.a. Amon Ra, Zeus (sometimes), Jupiter,
Mars, Apollo, Shiva, Horus, AST-AR (Ashtar).
Prince En.lil Jr., (son of the Queen of Orion, brother of En.ki): a.k.a.
Ninurta, Saturn (before the Invasion).
Isis, (En.lil Jr.'s daughter): a.k.a. (Ishtar, Inanna, Hathor, Venus).
Ereshkigal, (Queen of the Underworld/Hell, Isis' sister): a.k.a. Hera (a
name hijacked from Mother Goddess, Queen of the Stars), Irkalla, Hel in
Norse mythology.
How I came to these conclusions is too complex to go into here, but I
have thoroughly referenced and cross-referenced my research in the Wes
Penre Papers, Level IV-V: http://wespenre.com/index-level-one-to-level-
five.htm
The seven beings mentioned above are the only beings I've encountered
in the ancient texts that I've studied so far. However, the names I have not
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mentioned here can in one way or another be traced back to any of the above
beings, as far as I've seen.
UNICUS: Thank you for providing the names of some of the key players
in this cosmic passion play. My understanding is that in the Annunaki
empire, the more powerful/important a person is the more names/titles they
have (60 or more). Unfortunately, this makes it difficult for people of earth
to know who's who among the “gods.” A simple example of this on earth is
Hermes Trismegistus (Thrice Great). He is called that because he was given
different names by three separate earth cultures: Thoth/Hermes/Mercury.
It is a matter of public record that a minority of people on our planet
claim to have had contact with alien/ET entities. Some people report being
abducted and returned by these entities relatively intact. However, based on
the investigative research and reporting of David Paulides (Missing 411),
many people have vanished under very strange circumstances without
leaving any trace and they are never seen or heard from again. During your
years of extensive research and analysis, have you found any information re.
alien abductions related to the Annunaki?
WES PENRE: In more recent time, it seems the abductions people
experience are conducted either by the Military or they are joint abductions
by the Military and the AIF/Anunnaki. Since the founding of America, we are
living in the New Atlantis, and at least for the last 60 years, give or take, the
Military is behind most of the abductions of both humans and animals for
genetic experimentation/manipulation. Whistleblowers have told us of
horrific experiments going on in underground facilities--not only here in the
U.S., but all over the world (and it extends to the underground bases on Mars,
as well—Mars being an ancient AIF genetic engineering center).
The Military has created clones, experimental creatures who literally
look like something "out of this world," artificial intelligence, androids and
much more. As I wrote extensively about in my new book, the goal of the
Military right now is to fulfill the goal of “Singularity,” where humans
become cyborgs connected to a central Super Brain Computer (SBC). They
also want to create super soldiers—a cloned army, where the soldiers are half
machines/half humans—to be able to complete "supernatural tasks" that our
biological bodies and minds can't accomplish in our current state.
Thus, there are many reasons behind the abductions. People who come
back have often been given screen memories of different alien races that
allegedly abducted them and harshly and horrifically experimented on them
without anesthesia, when it could just as well have been branches of the
Military—most likely the Navy (not so much the Air Force, which would
otherwise seem more logical). However, on some occasions, there HAVE been
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AIF abductions as well. There are certain soul agreements made in the astral
between human souls and the AIF that in the next lifetime, a certain
soul/mind/body complex agrees to be abducted by the AIF themselves. This
way, the AIF can swear themselves free from guilt; after all, the human
"allowed" the abduction (although they probably won’t remember it in their
human incarnation). As I have reported extensively, the manipulation of
mankind by the AIF continues in the so-called “Afterlife.”
The Military Industrial Complex (MIC) has the technology to abduct
people and make them vanish from the face of the Earth. Many of them are
taken off-planet and tampered with. It has been reported that the latest
abductions consist primarily of young males of certain bloodlines that the AIF
have monitored for generations, and now the DNA and the sperms are being
extracted from selected members of these bloodlines (and the abductees don’t
necessarily have to be of the Illuminati genepools). Witnesses have declared
that people have disappeared into “thin air” right in front of them, in a public
area, never to be seen again. I have encountered information claiming that
the sperm of these males is used to create a cloned army to fight space wars
both for the Military Industrial Complex (MIC) and the AIF. They are secretly
creating hybrid super soldiers to serve in the ongoing galactic civil war that
En.ki/Lucifer started and plans to win with our help.
The AIF is not behind as many abductions as one would think--they let
humans take care of it for them. In the distant past, abductions were more
often done by the AIF. Also, people need to realize that the AIF Overlords are
the only alien entities that are directly interfering with us and our planet at
this point, but they consist of different interdimensional species working
together. They often play the roles of the bad and the good guys to keep
polarity intact (polarity and separation are basically what keep this 3-D
hologram together), and they often deceive us so that we think some of them
are benevolent toward us.
This group of ETs are probably deceiving 90% or more of the so-called
UFO research community. However, there are some exceptions regarding
other neutral ET entities that are highly interdimensional beings, who observe
at a "distance" what is happening on Earth. They don't intervene, except on
very rare occasions, and when they do, they strictly follow the Law of Free
Will. I have found that there are no "good aliens" trying to contact humanity
at large to lead us toward Total Freedom. Be particularly suspicious if you
hear that ET technology is going to help us live a better life or take us to the
stars—that is just more Overlord deception.
There are those seemingly working hard to have zero-point energy
released to the public, i.e. free energy and an "easy" way to space travel that
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will take us to the stars (which stars… the ones in En.ki's hologram?). This
will ancient technology will probably be released quite soon, but NOT
because certain people have been lobbying for it. It will become reality for us
because the Overlords need to release this information anyway, in order to
plan for their future agenda; it’s time for humanity to get this information
soon, but it's not for the good of humankind. Our future is dictated by the AIF
agenda, which is unknown to most humans here on earth.
It bothers me when prominent people in the alternative field tell us that
all aliens are good and should be welcomed and embraced. These people are
either very naïve, or they know exactly what they are doing, if you get the
drift. It's all deception, and the AIF plays both roles –the good cop and the bad
cop. This is their realm because they created the hologram we live in, which
is the physical universe we experience with our 5 senses. Our real realm, our
true home, is “outside” En.ki’s illusionary empire… and it is called the KHAA
or the VOID. I would go so far as to argue that everything that is made out of
atoms is En.ki’s hologram and is therefore part of the trap. The real Universe
is the VOID (dark matter/energy) between the atoms! The spiritual universe,
which is us, and the unlimited creations we are capable of manifesting, does
not consist of atoms, electrons, neutrons, and positrons, etc.
This is tough information to take in, but I would be a hypocrite if I said
anything different. This is the reality we all must face, but it doesn't mean
there are no soulutions. An immediate thing an abductee can do is to
energetically nullify any previous agreements that might have been made
with the AIF and their subordinates. Because it's often difficult to know if the
abduction is Military or ET in nature (or both), I would take the following
action regardless, if I were an abductee (even if it's the Military, in many cases
they follow orders from the Overlords and the high level Military is told
whom to abduct. However, this is not always the case).
Condition your personal space by first grounding yourself thoroughly
as described on this page:
http://wespenre.com/5/paper09-the-vedic-players-and-their-
counterparts-in-other-ancient-texts.htm#5.4.3
Next, imagine a solid bubble around yourself and another one around
the house/apartment you live in. Then either say out loud or think the
following (it doesn't matter which, as long as the intention is very clear and
sincere):
"I cancel any and all agreements I may have with those who think they
have the right to abduct me. I don't allow anyone, anywhere, at any time, to
ever abduct me again. From here on, an abduction of my person will be a
direct violation of the Law of Free Will!"
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An abductee may need to repeat this every night, and perhaps even
twice a day for some time, until the forces conducting the abductions take the
abductee seriously. They may, or may not take that person again, but if the
abductee continues to insist on their right not to be abducted and
experimented on, the abductors will eventually take the abductee seriously
and leave them alone. But the abductee has to condition their personal space
as a part of their daily routine, with clear/focused intention. It's not enough
to just casually think it.
Once the abductions stop, it’s time to release the trauma. This can often
be done to a large extent when the abductee not only forgives themselves for
having made the agreement with their abductors (directly or indirectly—it
doesn’t matter), but also forgives their abductors. Many people who read this
will object and say that these people/beings don’t deserve to be forgiven, but
the point I’m making is that the abductee needs to forgive the perpetrators in
their own mind in order to create closure and move on with their life. Of
course the perpetrators still need to come to terms with what they have done,
but that is their process, not the abductee’s. If the abductee does this – and
really means it – a large burden should be lifted from their shoulder.
UNICUS: I understand that alien abductions are a very sensitive subject.
Thank you for addressing this issue. I hope the abductees, and their families,
can find closure on this someday. And I hope the criminals behind it are
brought to justice.
Are you familiar with the crystal skulls? If so, who do you think created
them and why?
WES PENRE: The first skull was found in the 1920s on an ancient
Mayan site in the Yucatan by a British
expedition: http://www.zengardner.com/mystery-crystal-skulls/ Of
course, this skull, as well as other skulls in this series of crystal skulls, are
physical—at least on one level. This means that the skulls we can touch and
see cannot be older than approximately a couple of hundred-thousand years,
the way we look at linear time, because the physical universe as we know it,
which was artificially created by En.ki, is not older than that. This was about
the time when En.ki implanted the hologram in our physical and astral bodies
that make us stuck in what we call 3-D.
I don't know how old these skulls are, but Anna Mitchell-Hedges, the
archaeologist who found the first skull (see link above), said that she thought
it is much older than the Mayan culture. One thing we can say with some
certainty, (if the skull really is from the Mayan culture and the rest of the
skulls are from the same time period), the Skulls were created by En.ki and
his team, i.e. the Alien Invader Force (AIF). The word "Maya" originates from
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the Pleiadian star Maia, and as the reader of my papers know, the Pleiades
(the Constellation of Taurus) is basically En.ki's residence in this sector of the
Universe. The early Mayan civilization was run by En.ki himself. And to the
Aryans of India, the term Maya means “illusion,” which is another reference
to En.ki’s artificial universe.
People who have had a skull in their possession for a while tell us that
it has healing abilities, but it also "communicates" telepathically with sensitive
people; similar to a crystal ball that a psychic Gypsy looks into. The skull tells
the story of a very ancient past; often from the beginning of earth time, when
continents were formed, etc. Allegedly, it also shows pictures of many ancient
sites and of UFOs and other "paranormal" phenomena. Therefore, the skulls
seem to be another "device of the gods," similar to the so-called MEs in
Sumerian records, which were advanced technology (most likely quantum
computers) made of artificially-grown nano crystals. It appears as if the
skulls are keeping records of Earth's entire history from beginning to end,
and that they also have healing capacities.
It makes me wonder; if these skulls are En.ki’s creations, why did he
leave them here, and why do they have healing capabilities? Well, we can
only speculate, because we don't know for sure. Native American Indian
legends tell us that humans were using these skulls for healing, but for other
reasons, too. According to the Indians, these were communication devices
between humans and the gods (the AIF) across the dimensions. It appears as
if humans, such as the Mayans and others, used them while the gods were
here, but perhaps they were also being used even after many of the gods had
left – or pretended to leave. At one point or another, the skulls were hidden,
and only now, in modern times, are they being found, one by one.
Were ancient human civilizations instructed by the gods where to hide
these skulls, so that they could remain intact for thousands of years, until they
were meant to found again, in our time?
Are some select humans in modern times programmed to be "drawn"
to these hidden sites where the skulls are buried, in order to find them,
without these people realizing that this is the case? Is this process being
manipulated by the gods? To me, it certainly seems possible.
As mentioned in Zen Gardner's article, the old Indian legends say that
there are 13 skulls, and when they are all brought together, humanity will
once again be able to communicate with the gods. According to the legends,
these skulls were first and foremost communication devices for the
civilizations on Earth to stay in touch with their gods (the AIF) when the gods
were off-planet and dwelled in other dimensions (thus, the gods could also
“keep an eye” on humans here). If we are to believe the legends, it seems as
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if these 13 skulls are waiting to be found and brought together, and once they
are, will that be the time when the gods return and show themselves to us?
Will these skulls be the communication devices we use to communicate with
the AIF across the multiple dimensions, like quantum computers, the way it
supposedly used to be?
Another thing that comes to mind is that these skulls could be 3-D
versions of earlier crystals that were created in the VOID/KHAA (the Spiritual
Universe we humans lived in before the AIF invaded our solar system and
trapped us here), and were used before the Invasion. I can't confirm if they
were or not, but I don't think so—it doesn't fit the picture. You don't need
crystals in the Spiritual Universe, although they can be very helpful in the
physical universe and across all the holographic dimensions. In En.ki's
universe, with all its astral dimensions, crystals are used both as storage of
information across these dimensions, as communication devices, and as
healing devices.
UNICUS: Wow! Your insights triggered a powerful memory in me. I
have had many lucid dreams in my life where I either find crystals in nature
or, I am in a room where crystals are displayed. Those dreams have always
left me feeling extremely excited. In fact, I believe I was allowed to touch an
Annunaki ME crystal during a lucid dream in early 1991. At that time, I was
invited to touch that incredibly-powerful, truly-bizarre crystal to accelerate
the healing of my emotional and physical body which was incredibly weak…
I wanted to die. And I should mention, the woman that possessed that crystal
seemed to be the polar opposite of En.ki, but related… that was my
impression based on our brief encounter. She really did help restore me to
health and balance. Therefore, based on my life experiences, I feel it’s quite
possible that crystals can and do exist in a non-physical state and are still
being used by the Annunaki, etc.
WES PENRE: That’s interesting because another crystal skull, other than
the one found on ancient Mayan ground, also telepathically communicated
with its owner, we are told. The skull revealed to its owner that it originates
in other dimensions, which fits into the picture we are painting here. We
need to understand that the AIF created all the "other dimensions," and they
guard them closely. The other dimensions, as we think of them, are En.ki's
creation. The authentic, Spiritual Universe (the KHAA) exists "beyond" any
dimension in our known Universe. This is one way of looking at it in order to
make a complex subject a little more comprehensible.
Scientists today are baffled over these crystal skulls—they don’t
understand how they were created. If you carve out a crystal to create a jaw
bone such as the one on one of these skulls, it would shatter—even with
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modern technology. However, the gods have no problems creating such

skulls—they use energy to create these things, and they can then manifest
them across all the dimensions. They don't carve out anything.
The skulls hold the properties of quartz crystals, and we know that
quartz is used in computers, and silicon is used to store memory, and quartz
is also the most important component to make watches work. Crystals can be
used for psychic protection, as well.
UNICUS: OK. Man… That’s really interesting. I have studied the so-
called Tablets of Destiny, aka the ME (pronounced may) and they were some
type of very advanced crystal technology that was used for warfare,
communications, healing, etc. I believe this is directly related to what we call
a Tesseract which acts as a bridge or gate between universes/dimensions like
a quantum computer.
Having read your Wes Penre Papers, I feel you are uniquely qualified
to answer my next question. Why is society being forced to accept
transgenderism as the new norm?
WES PENRE: Before I answer this question directly, I want to digress
and share what I heard from Barbara Marciniak, who channels "the
Pleiadians." She said she'd heard first-hand that in one of the United States
universities, it is now forbidden to refer to genders in speech and in writing
so long as you're a student and you are on campus. If you violate this rule,
you'll be written up and eventually expelled. Also, if you refer to a specific
gender in a school paper, that paper will not be accepted. I have not been
able to verify this yet, but I believe this is true.
Barbara is in a position where she wouldn't lie about such a thing that
could be quite easily debunked if it weren’t true. Therefore, presuming that
she is correct, this will in all its absurdity make sense. Now, when we are
going toward the Singularity, when man and machine will merge into one
(see my new e-book), it makes sense to manipulate young people into
thinking that genders are not important.
This is why: Before the AIF came to earth, the first humans here were
androgynous. In fact, they were considered feminine in nature, just as the
Spiritual Universe is a feminine force. The entire point of Artificial
Intelligence (AI) and the Singularity is to imitate the spiritual world in the
physical realm, but here on earth it's done with technology and with the
intent to trap and control. The Gnostics called these intruders the Archons,
although not all members of the AIF are AI/Androids (but some of them are—
think Grays, Reptilians, Dracos, Nordics, Insectoids, etc.).
Now, when we're getting close to the Singularity, the High Schools and
Universities want to "educate" (manipulate/conform) the younger
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generation, which will experience the Singularity first-hand (the Singularity

is scheduled to be in full effect around the year 2045). They want to confuse
our children about genders and teach them that "anything goes" (please
understand I do not judge people for their sexual preferences, and what I'm
going to say next has little to do with the individual; this is about controlling
the collective. Some categories of people with alternative sexual preferences
are just being used in a what is now becoming a giant propaganda machine).
Not too long ago, homosexuals had a very difficult time existing in
society. They were put in jail, beaten up and murdered, just as black people
have been (and still are). However, in the year 2016 we are openly discussing
gay marriage being legal and accepted. Transgenderism was rarely even
discussed until recently; this type of sexuality was swept under the rug and
kept out of sight and out of mind. Recently, an incremental transgender
movement has arisen, however, highly educated people in society, who are
spokespersons for their professional field, are now suddenly supporters of the
transgender movement. Keep in mind that the Feminist Movement in the
1960s – 70s was funded by the Rockefellers. That's where it all started. People
who are older may think back to the 1950s and compare it to now. If that's
not polarity, I don't know what is (divide and conquer). From stability in a
strong, safe family, that was society’s norm in the 50s, to total confusion and
chaos today (diversity and alienation).
Again, all this is done to confuse and divide people. If you don't accept
that genders don't count anymore, you're soon going to be treated like you
would if you talk badly about other races today. The AIF wants us to get used
to a more androgynous way of expressing our sexuality. This is, in due time,
is going to be obvious in video games as well, so that younger people can get
used to the idea as a normal part of their life.
Then, in the near future, when humanity is connected to the Super
Brain Computer (SBC), run by AI, and we lose more and more of our
individuality, sexuality will become obsolete over time. However, before that,
people will have virtual reality sex instead of real sex, and this is already
being introduced, as I proved in my new book.
The thing is that the AIF does not want us to reproduce anymore after
the Singularity because we have already exceeded the number of people they
need in order for us to reach immortality and for the AIF to have a decent
legion of foot soldiers for their future space wars. They are actually working
on reducing the population—more so over the next couple of generations
after having the older generations of today die.
The Singularity will not be implemented in full until about 2045, so
part of the population control is to let the older generations just naturally
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(and sometimes “unnaturally”) die when their time comes and make the
younger generations more and more infertile and interested in virtual reality
sex and sex with androids rather than having sex and real relationships with
human partners. I provide more details about that in my new book.
After we arrive at the Singularity and beyond, when our organs begin
to fail because of illness or old age, they will be immediately replaced with
younger versions of that same organ. This is done with the assistance of
nanobots implanted in our blood streams. These synthetic nanobots will
replace our organic cells, which are all considered flawed according to the
Singularitists. Nanotechnology will replace the human body as we go along—
the faster the better according to Singularitists. However, the AIF still wants
our souls intact and trapped in those more or less immortal bodies for a
reason, which I discuss in detail in my new book.
It’s important to remember that once a person is connected to the SBC,
there is no turning back. There will be no more death after that because the
soul cannot leave the cyborg body. The entire Transhumanism Movement is
about the AIF getting absolute control over a world population of human
bodies and human souls, who all have individual minds, which are difficult
to control. Conversely, a hive-mind is easy to control. Therefore, we can say
goodbye to individual thinking. Do not get seduced by promises of eternal
health and immortality—we're heading toward the biggest trap in the history
of humanity. It's the ULTIMATE trap!
We have never been in this much trouble before as a human soul
group. It’s literally a matter of life and death—on an eternal level! This is very
serious, and it concerns every living human being as well as any life in the
animal, plant, and mineral kingdoms. Everything will be run by artificial
intelligence, if the Singularitists get their way. We – humanity – are the only
ones who can stop them, but we can’t stop them if we refuse to look into this
matter and object.
I may have diverted a little bit from your question, but I think this is
important. I hope you don't mind.
UNICUS: Not at all Wes. I value your insights. I know from my
experiences and research that everything is connected, which sometimes
makes matters complex and difficult to comprehend. That is why humans
tend to try and separate everything into small segments before they study it.
In your amazing new book, Synthetic Super-Intelligence and the
Transmutation of Humankind, you provide a dire warning to humans. You
reveal that AI and the Singularity are part of the Luciferian Agenda. When
do you expect Lucifer/En.ki to return to earth? Will he be opposed? Or, will
he openly reign supreme?
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WES PENRE: When we start doing this kind of research, we quickly

realize that we don't even have to be religious to understand that historic
Prophecies, such as those in the "Book of Revelation" and the "Book of Daniel,"
are about to be fulfilled because they are blueprints for what’s been planned
to come by the AIF gods. The "Battle of Armageddon" will most likely take
place when the Third World War is a reality. Quite often, we hear rumors of
war, whether they are legitimate or are just more fear mongering and
manipulating. However, those who have read the books in the Bible that I
mentioned above, know that parts of the Prophecies are already beginning to
be fulfilled. And it's not just the Bible; many ancient texts talk about the
Return of the King, the Lord, God, the gods, or whomever their scriptures tell
people to worship—what they all have in common is that someone "divine"
is going to return, and many people are anxiously waiting for that day to
arrive!
As a side note, the Third World War does not necessarily have to be
fought on the battlefield—it could very well be the “war on the human
mind,” and if so, we’re in the middle of it.
As I wrote extensively in the Wes Penre Papers (WPP), there are many,
many people in positions of political power that are Born Again Christians or
Theosophists (following the teachings of Helena Blavatsky from the 19th
Century). The U.N., for example, is full of members who are Theosophists,
who are waiting for the Maitreya (their version of Christ) to come back. All
these people – particularly the Christians – WANT the Battle of Armageddon
to happen because then they "know" that the Second Coming and the
Resurrection are near. I know this sounds crazy, but it's true, and most people
know enough about Christianity to clearly understand this part of the jig-saw
puzzle we are discussing.
This is exactly what the AIF, or the Overlords, are counting on; they
need our participation in and preparations for them to return, so they can be
accepted as God and angels when they appear to come back. This is more
extreme manipulation, but it is basically what the World Religions are there
for. That's why they were created in the first place. The Overlords are
immortal, so they don't plan in terms of a few years—they plan for many
millennia, or even millions of years in advance.
What is End Time Prophecy? Is it really the God of all things who has
planned this a long time ago, and now it's being played out just as He said?
No, the Prophecies were not created by the God (or Goddess, rather) of all
things. Religious prophecies were created by ETs—by the AIF specifically, and
one of their most important symbols when it comes to human affairs is the
all seeing eye of En.ki/Lucifer. John the Divine and Daniel, and other
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religious prophets, simply channeled various AIF beings. They were told that
they channeled God, and that they needed to urgently spread the message to
the rest of humanity.
In reality, the AIF is fulfilling their own Prophecies with a lot of help
from fanatic, religious people all over the world. Unfortunately, we are
helping the AIF to trap our souls here by continuing to worship/work for
them—that's why religion is actually evil at its core. In order to break the
spell that has been cast on humanity, we need to look at religion as a massive
disinformation campaign with a lot of truth mixed into it to attract people.
However, the rest is clever manipulation, steering the population in a certain
direction toward the “Return of the gods” and “the Singularity”, which is
rapidly approaching.
It's impossible to predict En.ki's/Lucifer's exact time table without
asking him, and I'm sure he wouldn't give an honest answer to that question,
anyway, if we were able to ask him. We know that astrologically, the Age of
Aquarius, which is not going to appear in our lifetime, is En.ki's sign—
En.ki/Ea being the Water Carrier, or the Water Bearer. Currently, in 2016,
Earth is under control of En.ki's son, Marduk/Ra, who could be compared
with the Biblical Satan. The problem is that when it's time for the Changing
of the Guards, we know, from a historical perspective, that infighting usually
take place among the AIF gods. Therefore, Marduk might not want to give up
his power – even to his father. This power struggle creates competing factions
within the AIF. It usually also creates a third party, consisting of other gods
who want to be in control. A space war is currently raging in our solar
system, where even human military is involved, as well as different factions
of the gods.
There is no way for us to know the outcome of all this, but the way I
see it is that if the Singularity, which is a long-term plan, instigated by the
Overlords, arrives on schedule around 2045, it makes sense that the Return
of the King will happen before that, but who can tell for sure.
Another related event is the so-called “Rapture”. Will it happen as
predicted? Yes, I believe so. The Ra Material (which was channeled in the
1980s) tells us there will be a "harvesting of souls" into the Fourth
Dimension/Density, but this is just a New Age version of the “Christian
Rapture”. What will the Overlords do with the raptured (captured) souls? I
can’t say for certain, but I know enough to stay away from that with all my
might.
If I have interpreted the planned chain of events correctly, regarding
the AIF agenda, a global financial collapse is right around the corner.
According to President Obama, he recently said in one of his speeches that a
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new Global Financial System is not being in the planning anymore. He said,
“it’s DONE!". A new system is ready to be implemented, and interestingly
enough he said that this new system will give everybody a "fair shot". He is
referring to the Singularity, even though he doesn't just come out and say
that.
In my new book, I warn that robots will take over the job market within
just a few years (we see the trend already, and even the mainstream media is
all over this subject). Therefore, we must ask what will happen to human
jobs? We humans will be more and more obsolete in the job market. The New
Economy will make sure that humans can be financially compensated and
given a "fair shot" until the Singularity is established. By that time, the
building of gigantic Smart Cities will already be in progress, and as the
Singularity Guru, Ray Kurzweil, says in books and interviews; once we start
building these giant cities that will house the future cyborgs (the new
humanity, which I call Posthuman), there will be plenty of jobs for everybody.
They are already planning on New York becoming the first Smart City on
earth.
Curiously, they have not released the new global financial system yet-
-they have put it on hold. Why? I think it is because they need to totally crash
the old world economy first, and that is most easily done by creating a WW
III. This war, if it happens as a war fought by soldiers, will most likely be a
space war. It may start off as a common war here on Earth, but fleets of ET
space craft could suddenly appear in the sky, possibly as a majestic hologram
(Project Blue Beam), and it will look as if we are being invaded by space
aliens. All nations will then forget about their internal disagreements and
come together as One Humanity to fight this new threat. Governments will
encourage people to come together across their borders to protect humanity
as a collective species against the alien invaders. President Reagan spoke
openly about this a few times in the 1980s as he was promoting and funding
SDI (Space Defense Initiative, aka Star Wars), and he and Gorbachev
discussed the issue in one-on-one meetings.
This is where the “war on the human mind” that I mentioned earlier in
this interview comes into the equation. The deception that’s going to unfold,
regardless of how it is done, will be massive! This invasion will appear very
real and many people will die during this supposed staged invasion.
However, the main reason for this fake invasion is for humanity to experience
how to become ONE—ONE HUMANITY UNDER KRIST, as the god Marduk
explained it to me when I was in contact with him briefly in 2011, which
you can read using this link:
https://battleofearth.wordpress.com/2011/10/18/authentic-
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message-from-the-king-of-the-anunnaki-please-read/
"BY THE KRIST WE ARE ONE" were the exact words he used. He
emphasized to me that we are all ONE, whether I wanted to believe that or
not, and that we need to come together, forgive each other, but not forget,
and live in peace together--the "Anunnaki" and the humans as ONE.
At that time, I hadn't connected the dots that I have connected today,
but now I understand what he meant and why he contacted me. He wanted
me to post the message from the KING in the above link, and this King was
said to be his father, En.ki/Lucifer—the King of Nibiru. The message was a
message of war against the Global Elite and all their proxies. No one, he said,
would get away with having controlled humanity.
At first, this might sound compassionate and benevolent enough to
many people, unless we look closely at the intention behind this (which I
actually did at the time). I refused to post his message, unless he allowed me
to also post a disclaimer, saying that I am totally against this because it will
inevitably start a World War. Nations all over the world will see this as a
Declaration of War against humanity, and nations will come together and
fight Marduk's legions. He was apparently not happy about my disclaimer,
but it was approved. So, I posted the message with the full knowledge that I
can't stop these beings, but I can at least inform people of what's going on.
Here's a continuing possible scenario: after the staged invasion, another
"real" armada of other space aliens will arrive on the scene and defeat
Marduk's fleet and appear to “save” humanity. However, this armada will be
led by En.ki/Lucifer. The war will be over quickly and mankind will have
their Father/Savior in charge once again—the Second Coming becomes a
reality and the King will sit on the throne for 1,000 years, according to what
the AIF/Anunnaki told Dr. A.R. Bordon and his science team a few years ago.
You can go to http://wespenre.com/e-books.htm to read Bordon's essays,
"The Link" and "Between the Devil and the Incoming Rock."
After the AIF war, people will realize that they are ONE nation under
GOD and this will manipulate most of the population into accepting the
Singularity. The AIF, in order to not break the Law of Free Will, need our
approval to be able to establish their New World Order, which means a world
currency and a cyborg population (the successors of the current Homo
sapiens sapiens, i.e. the Posthumans), controlled by an AI Super Brain
Computer. It's not that the AIF genuinely care about the Law of Free Will, but
those who created us do (the Queen of the Stars and her Helpers—see
the WPP). If the AIF does not have our consent when they make major
changes, they are in serious legal trouble with the Court of Orion.
If we stand up against the Overlords, the Orion Queen (En.ki’s mother)
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can interfere and help us to get out of this trap in a way that I describe in my
new book. It would be our final release from this entrapment, and the AIF
would be put on trial for crimes against humanity. However, so long as we
agree with the AIF and work with them, wittingly or unwittingly, the Orion
Empire can't do anything to assist because if she did, She would be the one to
break the Law of Free Will. Intelligent criminals, such as the Cosmic
Overlords headed by En.ki, are experts in circumventing the law. Personally,
I don't believe we have time to wait for the AIF to make a mistake because
they haven't so far. We need to stay on top of this, and we need to do it now.
I can't guarantee that the above events will take place—this is just what
makes the most sense to me based on the years of intense research I've done
thus far. However, regardless of the order of events, the end result will be the
same – the Singularity – unless humanity wakes up and acts in their own best
interest very, very soon.
This may all seem quite depressing, but it's always better to be informed
and prepared. If a pack of wolves are ten minutes away, and they are out to
get us for their next meal, would we rather not know about it and "hope for
the best" that someone will save us. Or, would it be better to be told about it
in advance and have time to climb up a tree before the wolves arrive?
Nevertheless, even if the majority of humankind can't be saved from
the Singularity, there is still a workable soulution for those who have invested
enough time and energy in learning about what is going on. I have presented
a possible soulution to this situation in my new book.
UNICUS: I feel it’s important to publicly identify the problem we are all
facing, and put it in the proper context, before it’s too late to do anything
about it. Having met En.ki/Lucifer face-to-face in Malibu in 1985, I know
that one of the personas/titles he likes to use is The Father because that’s how
he introduced himself to me. He looked like Jesus with long hair, a beard and
a white robe both times I encountered him.
It took me nearly 3 decades to figure out who he really was/is. And
then I was even more shocked when I realized He is the Biblical Father in
Heaven which explains why millions of people have been murdered in his
name and millions more will be murdered as a blood sacrifice to him before
he returns to openly reign supreme during an alleged 1,000-years-of-peace.
However, thanks to the books of Zecharia Sitchin, there are quite a few people
in our time that are claiming that the God of the Bible is En.ki’s brother En.lil.
Can you help set the record straight on this sensitive subject?
WES PENRE: This can be very confusing because the AIF, specifically
En.ki and his son Marduk, are brilliant at tricking and manipulating us
humans. Actually, that is one of En.ki’s titles among North American Indians:
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“the Trickster.” Their type of manipulation is not limited to humans—

En.ki/Lucifer has even tricked former inhabitants of the Orion Empire to
rebel against his parents; the Queen and the King of the Orion Empire.
Scripture tells us that Lucifer/En.ki, being the manipulative trickster that he
is, managed to manipulate a third of all the angels in Heaven.
If this is true, a third of the inhabitants of the Orion Empire were
manipulated into rebelling against the current system, but were defeated and
cast out of Heaven (the Orion Empire) by “Archangel Michael.” He is the
equivalent of En.lil Jr., aka Prince Ninurta. He is En.ki’s brother, which is
something I explore in detail in the Wes Penre Papers (WPP), in “The Fourth
Level of Learning.” En.ki/Lucifer still has most of these interdimensional
beings trapped in his rebel empire under his "spell."
Yes, many times En.ki/Lucifer has manifested himself as a man with
long white hair and a long beard—often dressed in a robe. That's the
archetype of a god or an angel, right? However, any interdimensional beings
can manifest in whatever shape and form they wish. We call it
"shapeshifting," but these manifestations are actually thought forms,
manifested by energy and frequency. Therefore, when interdimensional
beings do this, they can appear just as solid as you or I if they want to, or they
can be more ethereal if they wish to make more of a "godlike" appearance.
Normally, they don't stay in that form very long because it takes a lot of
focused energy to remain manifest here in 3-D for a long time. It’s more
convenient for them to take control of one of the bodies in stasis that the AIF
possess, both here on Earth (underground) and on Mars (underground),
which they can jump in and out of in case they need to stay in 3-D for a
while. When they use those bodies, we are unable to distinguish between
them and us because at that moment they are human—their bodies are as
human as ours. The only difference is the brain capacity; these bodies are
wired so the host can use 100% of the brain/DNA connectivity, while we
only use about 5 - 10% (unfortunately most earth people use less than that,
on average because of thousands of years of genetic/spiritual manipulation).
What En.ki/Lucifer and his son Marduk/Ra often did was to shapeshift
and take on the persona/appearance of the King of Orion (also known as
Khan En.lil, or Anu/An), and his son Prince En.lil/Ninurta, in order to
confuse humans and other interdimensional beings, when needed, to further
their AIF agenda.
Zecharia Sitchin and many others, who wrote and lectured publicly
about the ancient Sumerian gods (Sitchin died in 2010), claimed that
YHVH/YeHoVaH was/is Prince En.lil. But before we hurry to establish that
claim as factual, we need to be clear about one thing; En.lil, En.ki, and Ea,
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among other "names" used in the ancient text are actually not names. They
are titles. Most scholars are in agreement on this.
That is why we have two En.lils, for example—stepfather and son have
the same title, but one is the King of Orion and the other is the Crown Prince
of Orion. Therefore, En.ki and Marduk think it's legitimate to toss these titles
around as they please when they take on new roles in this 3-D realm; roles
that correspond to these titles. It's also convenient for them to portray friends
of humanity (the Queen, the King, and the Crown Prince En.lil) as enemies,
and vice versa. However, if we take the time and effort to put all the pieces
together, we realize that it's crucial for the AIF to trick us in this way.
The real name of these beings are not known to humanity, but the
question is, do they actually have names? Do they need names in the Spiritual
Universe? Could it be that beings recognize each other through spiritual
energy signatures, just as every song has a distinct melody and mood?
Based on my years of research, it's easy to see that the entire Creation
Story we read in the Enûma Eliš, and other creation stories from around the
world, are fabricated to a certain degree. We need to keep in mind that these
texts were often dictated by the gods and written down by their scribes.
Therefore, what became the ancient texts that we know today were the stories
the AIF gods wanted us to believe. They do not always reflect what really
happened. But, as we discussed earlier, the gods (as well as the Global Elite
today) love to hide the truth in plain sight. They just can't help themselves.
However, more importantly, they need to always tell us the truth in one way
or another in order to get our consent, as I've mentioned many times in my
writings.
It’s important for people to understand that Adam and Eve were not
two specific individuals. They are archetypes, and if we don’t realize this, the
entire Lucifer/En.ki and En.lil/YHVH story makes no sense, and neither does
the Bible or any other sacred texts. It is no secret that En.ki is known as
Satan/Lucifer in the Bible. He is the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. Thus far,
I believe most readers who have read Sitchin, or similar material – or the
Bible, for that matter – are in agreement with me up to this point.
We also know that En.ki was/is the Master Geneticist among the AIF
(he learned much of it from his mother, the Queen of Orion, before he
rebelled). Therefore, doesn't it make more sense that Prince En.lil, in the case
of the Garden of Eden, is the Protector of the Primordial Man, whom I call
the Namlu'u in my papers? Doesn't it make sense that the Garden of Eden is
the "Golden Age" in the Spiritual Universe before En.ki arrived? After En.ki
took over, he manipulated the Namlu'u (the Spiritual Humankind) into
entering human bodies that were 3-D in nature and infested with implants
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that would trap these souls—and he gave us death and amnesia so we don't
know who we are and whence we came. We, the Namlu'u, fell for it. How
else would it make sense?
Subsequently, En.ki and Marduk both played the role of God Almighty
to their new, genetically modified species—Homo sapiens. Thus, we have this
schizophrenic "God" (Jehovah) who sometimes is mild in nature, and then all
of a sudden changes personality and becomes a jealous, brutal and blood-
thirsty psychopath. It's just En.ki and Marduk taking turns playing GOD.
En.ki is the "mild manipulator" while Marduk is the blood-thirsty "no-
nonsense, right-to-the-point” God of wrath.
Why would En.lil want to become Jehovah and lead the genetically
engineered humans, whom En.ki had created, and why would he want to
control them? En.lil (and the Orion Empire) was the one who was defeated
in En.ki/Lucifer’s invasion of Earth, and Homo sapiens were abominable
manipulations of the original Experiment En.lil and the Queen of Orion
embarked on so long ago. Why would En.lil want to be God and protect the
hijacked Experiment that he and mother created on Earth? It doesn't make
any sense when we really think about it. There is more to this, and I write
about it in my papers. However, this is a good summary.
We humans have one big weakness when it comes to learning things—
we listen too much to authorities, and then we absorb this and make it part
of our overall belief system without questioning it. Once absorbed, we begin
to spread this information to others, believing that it's true because some
authority figure said it or wrote it. We then firmly defend our beliefs (based
on what authority figures tell us), even past the point where it no longer
makes sense, because no one wants to be wrong. Most of us have been guilty
of this to some degree at one point or another, and I'm no exception. However,
these days, realizing how easy it is to unwittingly do this, I do my absolute
best not to take anything as gospel just because someone says so. If it sounds
interesting, I try to figure out on my own whether it could be of any real
benefit for humanity or if it’s just more hot air.
The story of En.lil and En.ki is the key to our true history, and it's crucial
that we figure out who is who and what is what. Don't take my word for it—
read my papers and my new e-book for more information (it's all free of
charge). If what I'm reporting rings true to you, do further research on your
own. However, if you research the ancient texts, please be sure to crosscheck
what you learn. More importantly, read between the lines and see if you can
connect some of the dots. It’s easier said than done because the AIF are
masters at mixing truths with lies.
Keep in mind that En.ki is the father of having crafted genetically
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engineered humankind, but he is also Lucifer/Satan – the serpent – the Father

of Lies (and Manipulation). En.ki is known as a "Trickster God" and the Father
of the Archons. I am aware that Marduk has also rightly been associated with
Satan, but more so when he was assigned leadership of Earth while his father
En.ki has been away. After all, Satan only means “adversary,” so this title
could fit anyone that is opposed to humanity’s freedom.
As a rule of thumb, if you're stuck and become confused in your
research, step back and review the version that is commonly used and
believed to be true by a majority of mankind. Then, turn it around and look
at it from the totally opposite side. Many times, this reverse mirror
perspective gave me the "aha moments" I needed in order to get unstuck and
continue moving forward again in my search for truth. In this world, black
is often white and white is often black. In general, that is how we are
deceived.
The following is a common theme: the researcher finds out that the
creation of Homo sapiens originates from an ancient ET species and not from
a literal God. This is a major discovery for the researcher. Then they find out
that there were two brothers, En.ki and En.lil, and En.ki created Homo
sapiens. From different “authoritarian” authors and lecturers they learn that
En.ki is the “good guy” and En.lil is the “bad guy.” Because En.ki created us,
our love goes out to him. We learn that he is not perfect, but he “means well”
and he loves humanity.
The researcher learns the above, up to that point, by more or less
turning mainstream religion and history upside down, and alas! There it is!
However, now it’s time to turn the alternative version upside down, too, and
realize that En.ki is not the benefactor of humankind. The evidence of this is
overwhelming when we look at it. The “authoritarian” authors and
“scholars,” some of them purposely, didn’t go back in history far enough to
get the fuller picture, i.e. the story of what happened before the so-called
Anunnaki arrived. If they’d told that story as well, the roles of En.ki and En.lil
would be reversed. However, many alternative researchers are stubborn and
refuse to change their perspective on this—in fact, some of them are even
unwilling to even look into it. They are so “sure” that En.ki is a friend of
humanity when in reality he is the puppet master. Despite the evidence, these
people continue to worship En.ki because they suffer from Stockholm
Syndrome.
It’s not only time for the masses to wake up; it’s also time for the
alternative research community to do the same and not blindly believe what
they’re told by others – always be vigilant and question everything – even my
research. Do your own research, and you will see if it confirms my
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conclusions or not.
Here are some important insights regarding the key players involved in
Earth affairs:
1. En.lil (Prince En.lil/Ninurta) never challenged his mother, the

Queen of Orion. To this day, he loves his mother and would defend Her with
his life.
2. Khan En.lil (the King of Orion) is Prince En.lil's and En.ki's stepfather,
who signed the Peace Contract with the Queen of Orion a very long ago, from
our time perspective--long before Lucifer's Rebellion. (Again, En.lil and En.ki
are just titles. It's not their real names).
3. Prince En.lil, aka the En.lil Sitchin wrote about, is working for his
Mother and stepfather. He is second in charge of the MIKH-MAKH warriors
of the Orion Empire. Khan En.lil (the King of Orion) is First in Command.
4. Yes, Prince En.lil helped his Mother (together with the
Vulcans/Vegans) build the Living DNA Library here on earth, which was
then given to him to oversee.
5. Prince En.lil’s daughter, Isis, (which is just another title) was
abducted by En.ki and brought to Earth and raped. When En.ki copulated
with Isis, she bore him a son (Marduk), and helped him create a new,
genetically modified human race based on the existing, divine DNA on Earth.
Prince En.lil got furious that his brother had manipulated and raped his
daughter, and he castrated En.ki on the battlefield in the Rigel star system
(this is where the story about Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set originates from).
After that, when En.ki had become sterile, Marduk (En.ki’s son) was put in
charge of creating the new humanity, and that’s why we have a lot of
different hybrids walking around on Earth.
6. Isis managed to flee (something even Sitchin wrote about) and found
her father's Garden of Eden that was now deserted and in ruins. She started
crying and realized what she had done from being manipulated by these two
evil beings, and in order to pay tribute to her father, En.lil, and her
grandmother the Queen of Orion, she tried to remember how to create a pure
human race—an androgynous race such as the Namlu'u. She managed to a
certain degree, and she created a female race with red hair that was
androgynous. Remnants of this race is said to still exist, living under the
Earth. In my WPP, I speculate that the VRIL women of the Thule Society could
actually have been offspring of these females.
I believe Isis is still on the run, probably hiding somewhere on Earth—
both from her father En.lil, whom she thinks may be angry with her, and
from her son Marduk, and his father, En.ki.
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7. En.ki is in charge of the AIF in our solar system; but he has

temporarily assigned that responsibility to his son, Lord Marduk.
8. Prince En.lil and his father, Khan En.lil, did something we humans
have a hard time understanding and accepting. Around 13,000 earth years
ago, they wanted all creatures on Earth to perish in the Flood because En.ki
had modified the divine DNA of the Living Library to such a degree that there
was no symbiosis in nature whatsoever, and everybody seemed to suffer.
En.ki had created predatory and parasitic beasts that we only see in our worst
nightmares. And after he got tired of them, or when they no longer filled his
purpose, he just let them run free on Earth and create havoc. If there ever
was a Hell, it was probably Earth before the Deluge.
9. En.ki saved his son, Noah, and his family, and the seed from the
"Global Elite," i.e. the seed that had the most En.ki DNA in it. He wanted to
recreate his minions after the Flood was over.
UNICUS: Good answer. Thanks for summarizing that information.

Do you know of any way that humans can deactivate the nanobots the
AIF Luciferians have covertly put in our bodies?
WES PENRE: It seems as if there is no way to rid our bodies from
nanobots. They are making sure they get them inside us one way or another.
I don't know when they will be activated and what will happen then, or
whether they will be activated in increments in compliance with their
agenda.
What can we do? The only thing I can think of is to have clear
intentions and communicate telepathically to the "universe" that we are
sovereign and decide our own future, and that we don't agree to have the
nanobots activated. In this way our discontent will be felt by the AIF, and
hopefully they will abide by our free will. The people that don't protest may
not be so lucky. I am not even sure if it will work, but I will give it my best
shot.
Here is a link to an article I wrote on this particular topic:
UNICUS: I know you are aware of the Gnostic revelations about entities
they called Archons. Archon (Greek ἄρχων arkhon) is a Greek word that
means "ruler" or "lord," which is frequently used as the title of a specific
public office. It is the masculine present participle of the verb stem ἀρχ-,
meaning "to rule," derived from the same root as monarch. However, one of
the many revelations I received while reading your research was this: I
believe the correct spelling of Archon was/is: AR.KHAN.
WES PENRE: That is pretty interesting to say the least. Is there a
reference as well to that spelling?
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UNICUS: No. But while reading your papers, I was reminded that KHAN
is an ancient title that means the King or Lord of the Queen’s KHAA (breath
of creation)… I suspect that was the original spelling/meaning behind the
title. Of course, that title was hijacked and perverted by En.ki when he was
denied Kingship of the royal court of Orion by his family, which led to him
creating his own rival empire and starting a galactic civil war. Therefore, the
rulers of this illegitimate, rebel empire are the AR.KHAN or Archon.
WES PENRE: Well, the Archons and the AIF (Alien Invader Force) are
based on the same old truth. I was aware of the Gnostic legends of Archons
before I started writing my papers, but I decided not to call the beings I am
discussing "Archons," for one reason: Although the AIF are the Archons as
described from a religious perspective in the Gnostic texts (in most parts), I
believe I expand on the concept with new, secular discoveries--and sometime
with parallel discoveries that do not totally fit in with the Gnostic/Archon
picture (although I still believe they are one and the same). If I had called
them Archons in my research papers, I'd feel sort of put in a "box" and would
need to compare the two (AIF and Archons) most of the time, and I would not
like to do that.
Unfortunately, the few Gnostic texts remaining in existence give an
incomplete, and therefore somewhat inaccurate, reading of the situation we
are in. The last thing I want is that all the New Agers who write about the
most outlandish fantasies on aliens to start calling the AIF "Archons." That
would totally kill the whole concept of the Gnostics, just as John Lash
mentioned somewhere. Therefore, I'd like the Gnostic Texts and their use of
the term Archons to remain separate from my research as much as possible,
although it is of course fair to mentally compare the two.
UNICUS: Yes. It makes perfect sense. I often use the Gnostic term
Archons as a reference point for conversation. These entities have been called
many names by mankind, such as flyers, Grigori, demons, djin, unclean
spirits, etc. But they are all the same parasitic, predatory entities.
I hope you understand that many of my colleagues in the media would
like to interview you and they hope you will change your mind someday
about doing radio and/or TV interviews.
WES PENRE: I realize that people who have read my papers want me to
speak on radio shows to spread the information to a large audience all at
once, but to really boil it down, there is one major reason why I don't want to
expose myself and the material in such a way—at least not at this time: I'm
confident that those who are ready for the material will find it. Thus far, it
has tended to work well that way.
There will be a great inflow from readers in the beginning when
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something like this is released--these are the people who had already been
waiting for such material. Then it will slow down for a while, and a little later
the inflow will increase again, and so on, until it really breaks loose. It has a
tendency to happen in clusters, almost like an avalanche or like waves. This
way, the majority of the people who read the material will be the ones who
are serious about it, and the ones who have intentions to distort it will be less.
If I discuss it on Coast to Coast at this time, for example, too many people
with different intentions will react to the material, and it will most likely
create a certain amount of confusion. The bottom line is that I'm trying to
protect the integrity of my research material to the best of my ability.
If I ever do grant a live interview, I would want it to be conducted by
some with knowledge on the subject. That way, there will be less personal
attacks on me. And if attacks occur, it will be on the material and not so much
on me and the material, which would confuse the matter and divert the
public’s attention. Although there are people who want to “shoot the
messenger,” that is more likely to be a short-term thing. However, it’s always
unpleasant for the person who is attacked, of course. What I’m trying to
convey here is that I want to create as little confusion and diversions as
possible—it’s not that I try to hide because I don’t want to be attacked. I’m
always thinking in terms of what is best for the material.
Last, but not the least, I prefer email interviews, such as this one, for
another simple reason. If you go on a live or even a recorded video or radio
show, you need to answer questions on the spot, without providing any real
depth to your answers because time is limited. You may be able to answer the
questions fairly well anyway (some people are better at this than others), but
in an email interview, you have time to ponder the questions and make sure
you answer them to the absolute best of your ability. You can make sure the
reader gets the most out of the interview. I’m a thinker and a writer, and this
is where my strength is—I’m not a very good verbal communicator, and it’s
not because English is my second language; I’ve always been this way.
I want to test this hypothesis, and thus far it's worked the way I
predicted. But yes, we'll see. If I change my mind (and I might—when time is
right), I would actually like to go on a show with you first. I have remotely
read your soul's energies, and I can tell that you're a very sincere, honest man
with a big heart. You have no hidden agenda.
UNICUS: Thanks Wes. I look forward to hosting a live interview with
you someday.
Are you aware of a relatively new entity on Earth that calls himself
Rayel? He claims to be Christ returned. Based on your research, who is this
person, really?
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WES PENRE: Yes, I'm aware of Rayel. He is mentioned in WikiLeaks, I

believe. I have studied him some, and I decided to keep an eye on him because
there are some things about him that are quite questionable. However, as yet,
nothing has been proven either way. While I was studying him, it made me
wonder if he is the modern version of the Maitreya from the 1980s.
You can use this link to read more about this.
He is wearing the cross of the Knights Templar and claims many
connections. The red cross goes way back in time—all the way to Orion. It is
basically "The Cross of Ninurta," aka Prince En.lil. It's the cross of the MIKH-
MAKH Warriors. I'm sure Prince En.lil wouldn't be too happy to see RA-Y-EL
(RA of ELohim) wear his cross. However, that symbol was hijacked by En.ki
1/2 million years ago, or more.
As I stated in my papers, En.ki and other interdimensional beings split
their fire into different fragments, but each fragment has the memory of the
whole; therefore, there can be two Maitreya, and there can be two fragments
of Marduk or two fragments of En.ki. In the other dimensions, this is a
common thing.
UNICUS: What is the purpose behind the growing trend of humans
having sex with robots?
WES PENRE: This is another subject I examine in my papers; how
humans in the future will take robotic lovers and life partners because people
will forget how to interact face to face with each other; in part, because
having a "sexy" robot that never says no will be quite appealing to many
people. The fact that this is increasingly being reported in the main-stream
media as a powerful, new trend in society is one the reasons I wrote my new
book on AI and the Singularity.
UNICUS: Yes. I recall reading about that in your papers and your new
book. It seems to me that the increase in access to pornography via the
Internet was an important step toward dehumanizing human, sexual
relations in preparation for the Singularity. As I see it, the goal is to gradually
transform us from mankind into manchinekind: to completely control us and
cause us to better serve the AIF agenda.
You have publicly stated in the past that Scientology is a group you
spent time participating in and are intimately familiar with. I realize it is just
a rumor, but do you have any idea if L. Ron Hubbard was involved in opening
a portal for the AIF near Area 51, in Nevada, with the help of Jack Parsons?
WES PENRE: Parsons and Hubbard worked closely together. Scientology
(Scn) always tried to deny this when the media found out about it, but it's
ridiculous because it's coming from the horse's mouth! In the "Philadelphia
Doctorate Course," which was a long series of lectures held by Hubbard in
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1952 or 1954 (I can’t remember which), Hubbard talked about his

collaboration with Parsons. Later, in 1956, if my memory serves me well
when it comes to the year of release, Hubbard also mentioned Parsons in a
"Hubbard Policy Letter" and wrote about him in kind words, mentioning that
Parsons blew himself up. Still, Scn tried to deny the connection whenever
they could.
When it became too obvious, Scn played on Hubbard's link to Navy
Intelligence and suggested that Hubbard was working for the Government as
an infiltrator in "evil Secret Societies" with the purpose to create confusion
and split them up. In the case of the OTO, Hubbard succeeded beyond
expectation (Scn's own words).
The above is true (except the part where Scn says that Hubbard was
infiltrating secret societies) because I was a high level Scientologist myself in
the mid to late 1980s and I'm an OT VII completion, a Dianetic auditor and
a Class V auditor as well, and I have done the Philadelphia Doctorate Course,
so I know what is on those tapes. No Scientologist who has listened to them
can deny that they contain the information I am giving you here. None of it
is hearsay.
Now, when we look at it after the fact, it's obvious that Hubbard and
Parsons opened up one or more portals, which let certain interdimensional
(some would call them "demonic") forces into our reality, and since then the
UFO phenomenon has really taken off, hasn't it? These two black magicians
with their OT Grade IX sex magick really messed things up here. Yes,
Hubbard was working for Navy Intelligence way back when, but they had no
intention to break up any OTO lodge. Hubbard was in on it—there is more
evidence saying that he was. Even his own son has witnessed against him. I
find it interesting that Hubbard called the upper level of Scn the "OT levels,"
(dropping the last "O" of OTO which is the Ordo Templi Orientis led by
Alister Crowley).
UNICUS: That really interesting.
Here is a link to an article from The Sunday Times, 5 October, 1969,
for people that would like to learn more about this topic:
And here is a link to another article on the same topic:
I was wondering if you could comment on the link I sent you regarding
my experiences, discoveries and research in Malibu. What connection does
my research have with yours?
WES PENRE: I looked at your updates a little bit last night and more so
this morning. I also followed a few of the links from the page you gave me to
the monuments in Malibu. There is some very intriguing information you
have gathered—particularly the part that is self-experienced. I want to say
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that the UFO bases along the US west coast (and in California particularly)
are very real, and although there are those (of course!) who have said that
the pictures of the underwater platforms are just a natural formation, that's
of course not true. I have it from good sources that En.ki and his cohorts have
bases under the ocean, and especially along the west coast of the US, and also
underneath the bottom of the Mexican Gulf.
UNICUS: Yes. This has been made clear to me also during my many
close encounters and contacts and decades of research in this field.
However, I wrote an article, with graphic images from Google Earth, proving
that the so-called UFO base off the coast of Malibu was/is a red herring
designed to distract the public’s attention.
That does not mean there are no UFOs in Malibu. I had many close
encounters there, but I suspect they were coming in and out through
portals/stargates. I would not be surprised if there are underground and
underwater cities/bases in California controlled by the AIF. However, the
platform/mound in Malibu is not a massive opening with giant columns to a
UFO base as some people have claimed on the Internet since 2014.
WES PENRE: OK. I have a question about this light being you
encountered in Malibu who said he was your Father, or “the Father.” I
definitely don't want to evaluate anything and my question is only out of
curiosity. Are you totally certain that this luminous being actually was En.ki?
(Again, I am NOT saying that he wasn't). You sound quite sure about that he
actually was. What is it that made you certain about it? Could he have been
someone else?
UNICUS: Good question. Yes, at this point I am positive it was
En.ki/Lucifer. It could not have been someone else. It has taken me a
relatively long time (nearly 3 decades) to admit this to myself and the rest of
the world. In fact, it was soon after I began reading your papers in late 2014
(and then finding other historic references) that I finally realized that “the
Father” was/is En.ki/Lucifer “The Light Bearer.”
But at that time, when I had that out-of-body experience and entered a
dimension of white light in 1985, and he approached me and said he was
"the Father", that seriously confused me, which I believe was what he wanted
to do. He then began laughing at me... and although, for many years, I said
publicly that his laughter was not sinister... in fact it was very sinister, I just
didn’t want to admit that to myself or others. And, in hind-sight, the abandon
Cold War military radar installation I was located on that night had Satanic
graffiti on it. People were most likely performing Satanic rituals on that site
in the wilderness, but I was unaware of that at the time.
In any case, after Lucifer/En.ki began laughing in my face, the very
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next thing I knew, I suddenly sat up right and thought I had briefly
experienced a very strange vision... I knew I was not asleep or dreaming
during this enigmatic event. I was totally lucid and had only laid down for a
few moments before floating out of my body into the light.
At the moment I came back into my body, I suddenly stood up and
looked out to the horizon and was shocked to see the moon was setting. That
really freaked me out because when I laid down the moon was nearly
overhead which meant that hours had passed and I had absolutely no
memory of that time – I still don’t. I was given amnesia by En.ki/Lucifer for
reasons I could not comprehend at that time. One moment I was totally
coherent. The next, I was unable to account for my actions in the astral plane.
There is much more to that story. So, here is a link to a recent article I
wrote to help people fully understand what happened to me that day/night:
I should tell you that a few weeks after my encounter with the Father
(En.ki/Lucifer) in the mountains, I had a very-dramatic, lucid dream. I was
back at my childhood home in Malibu. When I say “lucid”, I mean it was just
like being home again except I was in my spirit body and for some reason I
knew it, but it was OK. It was a beautiful sunny day in my “dream”. I looked
out over the blue, sparkling water to the horizon and felt happy to be home.
I then felt compelled to turn around and look up just as 3 golden-glowing
UFOs were coming out of the east; descending over my family home before
the swiftly plunged into the Pacific Ocean, just off the coastline at Zuma
Beach where we lived for many years. Moments later, in my "dream", the 3
UFOs came flying back out of the water, into the sky, heading back the way
they came... again passing directly over my home which made me extremely
excited! This time they were glowing a silver light.
At that point in my dream, I yelled for my dad to come out of the house
and see the UFOs... he had an art studio where he often worked long hours
at home creating original, pallet-knife paintings during the week. But right
after I yelled for my biological dad to come out see the UFOs over the house,
there was a flash of white light just outside my dad’s art studio and standing
there was the same man I met in the mountains who claimed to be “the
Father.”
Once again, He/En.ki had the same appearance. He/En.ki looked like
Jesus with long hair, a beard and a white robe. At that point, without
hesitation, I walked over to him and hugged him. I then woke up and I mean
I was wide awake with my heart pounding. I was severely startled to have
seen this very-strange, illuminated character again... I intuitively knew that
this was not just a bizarre dream… it was another cryptic message. I realized
he wasn’t my biological dad, but I wondered what he actually meant by
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calling himself the Father. I was extremely perplexed by all this.

It was at that point I became really curious and began hiking in the
mountains where I first met the Father hoping to see him again and ask some
questions. Ironically, that’s how I discovered (or was led to) the ancient
megalithic monuments in Malibu. And, over the years, when spending the
night there on more than one occasion, I had multiple close encounters with
UFOs. In fact, there were a few times when the UFOs sent a powerful, white
light silently down where myself and my friends were standing on the
mountain top above Point Mugu. But I did not see the Father again. It was
many years later that I learned he was/is known as the Father of the Archons,
and the Father of all lies...
Here is a link to the page I created for the ancient ruins in Malibu.
WES PENRE: Well, according to the Gnostics, Earth was created by
Sophia, a young goddess from the center of the Galaxy, and to make a long
story short, she created the Archons by mistake, and while Sophia's soul
inhabited Earth itself and got stuck there, from what I understand. I must
admit that I am definitely not an expert on the Gnostic texts—I'm just familiar
with the absolute basics. But in relation to the archons, here is another
question, also just out of curiosity: How did you come to the conclusion that
En.ki and his rebels were infected by these archontic entities and that this was
the reason for him turning "bad" and starting his rebellion?
UNICUS: That’s a very important question Wes. Soon after I had my
encounters with the Father and began finding the megalithic stone statues
and other artifacts in Malibu, a neighbor gave me a copy of a book that he
thought would help put things into perspective. Here is link to an important
excerpt from that book which was written by a friend of my biological dad.
I am familiar with what little is known about the Gnostic belief re.
Archons. It is incomplete and misleading in my opinion. However, as it turns
out, Lucifer/Enki is called the Lord of the Archons for good reason. Prior to
going mad, En.ki and his space-faring crew were god-like Builders of Worlds.
They accidentally created these mental parasites (archons) with their
consciousness when they entered a forbidden zone (like a black hole), were
severely traumatized and went insane. Although they eventually managed to
escape the forbidden zone, En.ki and his crew had become demonic, parasitic
Destroyers of Worlds suffering from multiple personality disorder and
mental parasites (what some people call demons) much like a dog that
contracts rabies and becomes dangerous and disobedient. If that really
happened, I’m certain that was why En.ki was denied his position as KHAN
of ORION. And that is why he later created his own illegitimate, corrupt,
cruel empire.
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And that also explains why he confronted me that night in the

mountains. He is the Father of the Archons. I had seen his mental parasites
(archon) in action and was unintentionally able to interrupt them during a
feeding frenzy. I learned from experience that these mental parasites are
attached to and are affecting the consciousness of the former god-like beings
you call the AIF as well as humans here. Like so many other aspects of our
origins, this fact has been badly twisted into a Gordian Knot.
It was very difficult for me to unravel this hidden critical aspect of our
history. But with a great deal of patience and persistence, I was given the
insights required to see the situation in its actual context and then report my
findings. However, I should explain how that happened. At some point in
2011, I became very frustrated with researching these parasites and evil
overlords... I felt as though I couldn't figure it out no matter how hard I tried.
So, I decided to ask for help from the heavens.
Ironically, I mentally visualized the Father (not knowing he was
actually En.ki) and sent a mental message to him for clarity on this issue.
Some time passed, and then I suddenly started to find that books and other
information that I had read many times in the past had now become clear to
me. And every time I felt that I was starting to see the truth, I got a mental
message to be patient... more pieces of the puzzle were coming. And they did.
Once I had enough information (including photos of the mental
parasite/thought forms) I wrote my first article. However, I was unsure about
being a messenger for this very sensitive subject. So, I mentally visualized the
Father again (still not knowing it was En.ki) and told him/them that if
he/they wanted me to give this information to mankind he/they needed to
give me a sign.
A few weeks later, I received an urgent phone call from the producer
at Coast to Coast AM. She explained that George Noory's FATHER had just
passed away and the crew was in crisis mode. She wanted to know if I could
come on the show that night as a last minute guest, which never happened
to me before or since that time. Naturally, I said yes without thinking about
what I would discuss on the show. I then asked what we would be talking
about? She thought for a moment and asked me, “What do you have?” So, I
sent her the link to my first Archon Article and she read it while we were on
the phone.
She was shocked and I told her we didn’t have to cover that topic, but
she wanted to run with it. I asked are you SURE? She said yes! That specific
show was highly emotional for many reasons. George was trying to keep his
composure, but he was clearly shaken by the passing of his father. At one
point he told me that my Archon revelations were the scariest thing he had
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ever heard. I remained calm and told George and his audience that there was
no reason to fear this situation. I explained that the fact that we were finally
discussing this serious matter publicly was a very good sign. I stated the
obvious that you can't solve a problem if you don't know you have one. As a
result, after that show I received email from all over the world from people
thanking me. They were so grateful that someone was finally talking about
this problem... because all these people had experienced the Archon
parasites, also.
Apparently, in retrospect, some off-world intelligence gave me a lesson
plan and a mission... which, in 2014 rapidly accelerated to an apex, and
that’s when I found your work which I referenced during my last interview
on Coast to Coast in Nov. 2014. Soon after that, I received even more insights
and I wrote 2 final articles on the Archons and their mental parasites. At that
point, I really thought I was done. But it appears I had simply graduated to
another level. My work to improve the human condition here will continue
until I leave this world permanently.
Here are my articles about the Archons:
http://www.unicusmagazine.com/skyfish.htm
http://www.unicusmagazine.com/html/ArchonB_Day.htm
http://www.unicusmagazine.com/html/Antidote4Archons.htm
WES PENRE: According to the Gnostics (at least according to John Lash)
the archons were born in the Orion Nebula, and so were apparently the
human souls as well. Is this why you concluded that En.ki may have been
infected by the Archons?
UNICUS: Absolutely not. I found more than one source that indicates
En.ki/Lucifer is the Father of the Archons… By relying on the incomplete
writings of the Gnostics, Mr. Lash has made some incorrect conclusions, in
my opinion. I urge people who are interested in this subject to read my article
on this specific topic and decide for themselves if it’s a more accurate
assessment of how/why the Archons were accidentally created by
En.ki/Lucifer:
My feeling is that what little we have been given of the Gnostic
teachings has been edited to blame the Goddess Sophia for this mess. It’s a lot
like Christianity which blames EVE for being EVIL and affecting all of us with
her “original sin.” This misogynistic message is coming from En.ki/Lucifer.
He hates women. Especially his mother: the Queen of Orion.
WES PENRE: OK. Recently, I started following the links on
your ARTICLESpage, which led me to new links, etc. The Tau Ceti connection
is interesting. The main stream media is reporting that scientist have actually
found planets in the inhabitable zone there, and I also found the page written
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by an alleged human ET you interviewed rather interesting. I want to read

more about that stuff. I'd like to see how that all fits into the bigger picture.
UNICUS: I agree, it’s interesting. Unfortunately, it’s probably not
accurate. We live in a galactic war zone. And the first casualty of war is
always “Truth.” That’s why, on this world, it's best not to believe anything
until you can verify it, and trust no one until they earn it.
I really appreciate you taking time to share your insights on these
matters Wes. I find that very few people on this planet have a clear
understanding and appreciation of the important information you and I are
researching and reporting.
One final question, what is your take on the UFOs that are reported in
modern times. Are they technology or something alive or both?
WES PENRE: A lot of what people are seeing in the skies – sometimes
even "objects" that look like some kind of craft – are life forms rather than
spaceships. Many people have now started to reconsider this and have begun
to realize that these may not be ships after all. I'm not saying that some of
them can't be vehicles, but a large percentage are life forms that bleed
through the dimensions—intentionally most of the time and unintentionally
some of the time. On occasion, some of them are beings and “spacecraft” all
in one.
I know this is pretty far out there for many people, but it’s something
to consider. I hinted at this in my WPP. Another thing to consider is that some
of these things could be aerial phenomena. We know very little about the
upper levels of the atmosphere. Who is to say that these regions are not
inhabited by plasma beings we are totally unfamiliar with and who can bleed
in and out of our 5 senses of reality? Nonetheless, keep in mind that the entire
physical universe – including the dimensions – are all En.ki’s hologram. This
means that even if we see beings bleeding through the dimensions, who
would these beings be? We already have the answers. Beings don’t “bleed
through” from the KHAA.
There are two last things I’d like to mention. I have argued a few times
that in order to find and absorb the information I have made public, one has
to resonate with it, i.e. tune in to the same frequency/vibration that the
material was written—at that point, and not before that, the person is ready
to tackle this information. With that said, I want to emphasize that what I’ve
been writing about pertains to a certain frequency band and the knowledge
therein, and this is not the end of the journey. I have only touched the surface
of what there is to know. A wise person once said that when you realize that
you actually don’t know anything, relative to what there is to know, you are
on the right track.
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Another important thing that I might not have brought up before is that
there is a point when knowledge becomes obsolete for us humans in this
Third Dimension. There is a nexus point where a person knows enough to be
able to break out of the prison. Once that point is reached, all other
knowledge is just more stimulation of the illusive human mind, which in
itself is a construct and therefore perishable. On the other side – in the KHAA
– we have no use for the knowledge we’re gaining in the Third Dimension
other than as an experience that not everyone else in the Universe has.
In the KHAA, we operate on an Oversoul level, which is totally different
from how we operate here—we are once again “connected” to the Divine
Feminine, the Goddess Energy, or the “All That Is.” Let’s say, in the KHAA we
can operate without the limitations we have here—and remember, currently
we are used to functioning in an atom-based universe. In the KHAA, there
are no atoms—only spirit and what spirit can create. The only real evolution
and ascension there is for humanity is when we have learned how to break
out of En.ki’s AIF prison/hologram and act on it, as described in the WPP.
This topic is discussed in detail in my new e-book, Super Intelligence and the
Transmutation of Humankind—A Roadmap to the Singularity and Beyond.
There is no real ascension to the 4th and 5th Dimensions; these
dimensions are within En.ki’s prison and only lead to another trap. However,
there will probably be a descension, if I may call it that. The 4th and 5th
Dimensions are most likely analogue to what Posthumans will experience
once they are in the Singularity. Don’t forget that the channeled entities who
teach about ascension are mostly hive-communities with a hive
consciousness. Don’t you think that their real purpose is to steer people
towards the Singularity rather than anything else? Look at the evidence and
research it for yourself if you believe in the ascension agenda. The 4th and
5th Dimensions are most likely the virtual reality dimensions Posthumans
will reach from being connected with the Singularity. It’s at the point of the
Singularity that the fake “ascension” will most likely occur.
I realize this is sobering information, but I urge the reader to read my
new e-book for a soulution to this dire situation because there is a way to
break out of this hologram before it’s too late.
UNICUS: I agree Wes... I want to thank you again publicly for all the
hard work you have done to educate mankind regarding the bigger picture
and our place in it.
WES PENRE: Thanks Robert. I'm very glad to be your friend and
colleague, too, in addition to the fact that you are extremely helpful.
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UNICUS: I suspect there was an important moment, or moments, of

complexity of what we're facing with the ET issue.

answers, which I am very grateful for. You have published an amazing

on mankind, it's all a bit complicated for some people to follow.

modern technology. However, the gods have no problems creating such

generation, which will experience the Singularity first-hand (the Singularity

WES PENRE: When we start doing this kind of research, we quickly

“the Trickster.” Their type of manipulation is not limited to humans—

engineered humankind, but he is also Lucifer/Satan – the serpent – the Father

1. En.lil (Prince En.lil/Ninurta) never challenged his mother, the

7. En.ki is in charge of the AIF in our solar system; but he has

UNICUS: Good answer. Thanks for summarizing that information.

WES PENRE: Yes, I'm aware of Rayel. He is mentioned in WikiLeaks, I

1952 or 1954 (I can’t remember which), Hubbard talked about his

calling himself the Father. I was extremely perplexed by all this.

And that also explains why he confronted me that night in the

by an alleged human ET you interviewed rather interesting. I want to read

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