Orop Programme On NDTV 24X7, Feed Back

OROP PROGRAMME ON NDTV 24X7, FEED BACK
Dear Friends,
Jai Hind.
It is very heartening to see that very large number of members have responded and emailed
their views. Excepting a few emails, I am reproducing all the emails, received so far, giving views
of ESM on the programme on NDTV.
I apologise to the members whose emails are not included here. The reasons for not including
those emails are as under –
1. Some emails received are long trailing emails – having 8 to 10 emails – one below the other. I
am sorry I do not have the patience to handle such long trailing emails.
2. The cryptic one-liner emails have also been left out.
3. While it is true that we all would have liked to see more ESM issues being covered – but
please appreciate that the ESM attending the NDTV show did not have control over it. Also that
many things covered were edited out. (I will give the information of edited out later).
Therefore, some of you totally condemning the programme and the ESM participants – I think
have been most unfair to those who worked so hard to prepare. And I challenge those who have
condemned the speakers out right – they could not have done any better. It is very easy to sit
outside and comment.
As rude emails would have hurt the feelings of those who worked hard and took part in the
programme, such emails are not being circulated by "REPORT MY SIGNAL" . I once again
apologise to the authors of such emails.
4. Some of these rude emails did have a few valid points, which in any case have reached all
concerned.
An extract from the emails not included here, is reproduced below, which will give you some
indication of the editing –
One of the Remarks from A Core Group Member in an email.
The only one thing we could have additionally done to 'Shut Up' Indu Liberhan when she said
that OROP is 'Illegal' is to have asked her –
1. If Illegal, why have Parliamentary Committees on Defence been repeatedly 'R'
(recommended) OROP ?
2. If illegal then why are judges of SC & HC (the so called custodians of justice) themselves
taking OROP?
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Response By Lt Gen Kadyan by email. It indeed was said, but was edited (and not telecast).
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Almost all the emails below have highly appreciated the programme on NDTV.
So let us all cheer up and congratulate the participants of the programme.
WELL DONE.
In service of Indian Military Veterans
Chander Kamboj.
From: raj mehta

Sent: 12 September 2010 22:04
To: REPORT MY SIGNAL (CS Kamboj)
Subject: OROP ON WE,THE PEOPLE SEP 12, 2010
Dear Sir,
The Barkha Dutt show last night can be seen at different levels of objective scrutiny.
Let me start with the most important first. We,The People is a well followed program in terms of
TRP rating, bureaucratic and political eyeballs that watch the program, and the iconic standards
attained by it over the years (though some would argue that the format, with its closet full of the
same old "experts" and social gadflies that are part of the Delhi glitterati/chatterati, is becoming
stale and needs a serious makeover). Barkha is remarkably gifted, feisty and loves the camera
but it is only once in a while that she allows content to override her by now well patented,
sometimes hectoring, even intimidating presentation style.
Yesterday, though, she was the Barkha of old who delivered magic during the Kargil War. She
sensitively allowed content to override her basic "take charge" personality and with great visual,
emotional and mental impact.
I do think, sir, that, with one fell swoop, she has given OROP more visibility and intensity than
our years of struggle since 1982 to make Governance aware of its legitimacy.
Thats the good Barkha of old; the spritely, effervescent motor mouth and intense storm trooper
who covered Kargil to world class standards (I suspect she really set standards during that
coverage); that at a time when (as she mentioned in a post-war interview) she was menstruating,
closeted in a bunker with bravehearts some of whom later died.
The next in line for scrutiny were Capt Sidhu, the amputee Paratrooper brave heart. The program
rightly gave him a standing ovation, and, in so doing, panned the sheepish faces of the
bureaucrats present to put up the Governments poorly choreographed, obtuse, single point
defence. They appeared taken aback by the spontaneous response of the studio audience in
empathising with this brave soldier and his 30 year old fight for justice.
Gen Vijay Oberoi was his usual assured self and was a treat to watch, though the program
constraints made him speak more on behalf of the war wounded than on OROP. His contribution
on OROP came more by way of interjections than original content.
(Gen Vijay Oberoi is President War Wounded Foundation. He has been fighting for the dues of
war wounded with the Government and in the Courts. One must appreciate that first deserving
cases are the war widows followed by war wounded. The rest of the ESM can only come after
these categories – Chander Kamboj).
On a par really, were the steller contributions of the Independant MP, Mr Rajeev Chandrasekhar
and Mr Manvendra Singh, a TA officer and journalist (he is the son of Mr Jaswant Singh of the
BJP). It was a delight to see them tear the Governments specious (and the Congress
representative, Capt Davar's) arguments to shreds and with logic rather than emotion.
The IESM stand on OROP was put across with dignity and quiet assurance by Gen Kadian,
though one would have wished for some forceful clarifications from him on the issues being
raised by the out-of-sync "expert" Mr Shah, Ms Indu, the senior financial bureaucrat and Capt
Davar.
I do feel sir, that the gains are that the case now has the nation's attention, rather than just some
people. We have to thank the IESM for that, as well as NDTV for providing the platform for giving
the issue truly national coverage. Barkha Dutt, a big thank you.
The areas of improvement are clear: Capt Davar's deliberate reference to the fact (unchallenged
by the panel) that IESL was "happy" with the awards by Government implies that we need
greater unity between our ESM lobbies.
The clearly visible hard stands displayed those representing the UPA viewpoint (including the
unfeeling economic "expert") means that a long battle is ahead and needs great circumspection
as well as a well thought out plan to win the OROP campaign instead of yesterdays battle.
I do also feel that our key points in favour of OROP need to be prioritized and put down in
precise language that every one; the Government, Supreme Court, common man, ESM can all
understand. Once finalised, these points should be our common user language for getting OROP
through.
We also need to have irrefutable figures on who all have OROP benifits. It appeared to me that
we need rather more research on this issue.
With warm regards,
Gen Raj Mehta (Mohali, Punjab)
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From: Aditya Jaini

To: IESM - Lt Kameshwar Pandey
Cc: IESM - CORE GROUP
Subject: RE: NDTV OROP Show - The Backstage Story and Its Significance
My dear Kameshwar, sahab,
JAI HIND.
My God !, I just did never know, nor could I ever imagine that you could write soooo very well.
VERY WELL written, sahab & WELL DONE -- both during the NDTV show as also b4 the starting
of it.
I came to know thro others also as to how nicely you & Col Joshipura had primed the audience,
& above all the youth, attending the Pgme. WELL DONE
YES, it is VERY TRUE -- in every single word of what U have written. I do hope that people read
ur mail & understand the spirit behind it.
GOD BLESS U, Sahab.
The IESM needs to be proud of U
Affly Yours
General Jaini (Member IESM Governing Body)
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From: lokesh batra [mailto:batra_lokesh@yahoo.com]

To: undisclosed recipients:
Subject: Please spread Link of Video of NDTV OROP Programme
Dear Veterans,
In democracy it is healthy to express opinion and deabate the issue and that is exactly what
happened.
But I confess Hony. Lt. (Veteran) Lt Pandey takes the cake.
In my view OROP programme was a Grand Success.
Any debate which is one sided is no good. It does not give food for thought to viewers. It gives
the impression of being rigged.
In my interaction with media, when ever I release an RTI expose, I always insist on reporters to
include the views/comments of other side/government functionaries.
Media is suppose to play neutral role.
However in OROP programme, NDTV clearly appeared to have favoured OROP cause.
First they organised the programme and had done a lot of research.
In invite list who favoured OROP outnumbered those against it.
In audience list (in studio) 100 percent invitees were for OROP and that too youth brigade in
majority. I bet most of them were ‘Fauji Bachaa’s' and their friends. Good for us. Youth is the
right choice to carry our message to the civil society.
Time and again the anchor (Barkha) cross examined those who made points against OROP.
Davar was badly ticked when used the word ‘sympathise’.
Probably those who have participated in such media programmes in the past and have
experience, would know that it is not fish market. However in this case, those present in the
studio during recording know passions were running high when ever any one spoke against
OROP.
To restrict the telecast to allotted time of 50 minutes, the editing was inevitable.
I reiterate the programme facilitated a 'Leap Forward' to our cause.
I must say, we have to be tolerant to criticism if we have to create Public Opinion for OROP
cause.
I humbly propose circulating the link of NDTV Programme on OROP to the civil society.
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/we-the-people-war-veterans-still-fight ing/163348
Please do that by sending the link to your contacts in the civil world with your write up. Request
them to pass it on…. And make a long chain...
I have posted it to all my contacts in India and abroad and also various RTI Groups. Soon this
link will be posted on Face book and other social networking sites.
These are my views and I am open to criticism and suggestions.
All my communications are in Public Domain.
Best
Lokesh
{Commodore Lokesh. K. Batra (retd.)}
Social & RTI Activist
www.bringchamge.org
‘Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is truth’

Mahatma Gandhi
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From: Kandiah S
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: Re: OROP PROGRAMME ON NDTV 24X7, FEED BACK
Dear Sir,
I was fully merged with the NDTV show on Sunday. It was marvelously arranged and conducted
by our Mdm.Burka Dutt, Hats off to her. She was full of enthusiasm and action, throwing
valuable questions to the participants.The show has awakened many of our ESM brothers.
The way Capt. Siddu, with one artificial hand, was narrating his stories and fight for about 40
years to get his pension, that too a meager amount of Rs.240/, made me shed tears.
Then the Havildar expressing his inability to educate, bring up his children with his meager
pay/pension also a pity. All these happenings are brought to light by this wonderful TV program.
Our beloved Generals Oberoi and Kadyan were very soft spoken to the actual facts to the public.
We can not refrain from appreciating our MP. from Karnataka, Mr. Rajeev Chanraseker for his
strong support for the veterans.
I thank one and all of the participants for their very useful and lively interactions in the Show. We
hope to view such lively shows in future also to open the Eyes of MOD and the Govt, particularly
the Bureaucrats..
With Greetings
Ex.Sgt.S.Kanthiah, Liaison Officer.
Exwel Trust, Tirunelveli, Tamil Nadu
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From: N.S. Mohanram

Date: 13 September 2010 12:11
I watched the debate onTV. It was lively and well moderated by Barkha Dutt. If there are legal
impediments to one rank one pension, on the grounds it is retrospective, it should apply to
Secretries and corps commanders also. Arguments of legality and affordability are convenient
scapegoats. If we can waste throusands of corres on a meaningless showpiecel like CWG, I
suppose spending some money on people who risk their life and limb is affordable.
It is clear that despite the standing committee of parliament's recommendations, the bureaucracy
is clearly against that the case. Comparing firefighters with the army is downright perverse. Also
politicians do not understand the issue. They probably think the ex-service vote bank is
important!
That Major Sidhu had to fight thirty yerars for disability pension for full ten years and is yet to get
relief despite suprme court verdict, shows the virulence and obduracy bureaucrats and their
tenacity in denying fair treatment to the Armed Forces. Only when the political class realizes
that this continous feeling of resentment and second class status of the services can some day
mutate (I sincerely hope it does not!) into something more unpleasant, will they wake up and do
something.
Our politicians end up doing the right thing, only after exhausting all other possible alternatives!
Captain MohanRam
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From: abhadhur
To: kamboj
Subject: WHAT WE NEED TO DO NOW
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010
Dear Brig. Kamboj Sir,
I had the opportunities to watch the long awaited "We the People" programme 4-1/2 hours before
the viewers in India.
It was a good programme and the good feelings I have on this occasion, that, NDTV certainly
broke its traditions.
What made me extremely happy, that, we still have a few good MPs like Mr. Chandrasekhar. He
has a dynamic and formidable personality, has a very strong conviction and an excellent
communicator. He truly stands out from those many
parliamentarians, who we see regularly in the parliament behaving no better than street thugs
(sadly they are mostly from certain states), bring shame to the nation and always a helpless
Speaker to deal with them. Such behavior from parliamentarians is simply unthinkable even for a
minute in the Western democracy or where I live. And until we fill up that gap between the east
and west, we will simply stay behind.
We need to develop a good rapport with Mr. Chandrasekhar. We need to engage preferably a
contact point with excellent communication skills from us to have regular contacts with him. We
need to identify more such MPs and work with them. We are not in KHAKI anymore, therefore,
we should be proud to expressing our political views honestly in the best interests of our country
because "Nothing is above the country". We need to work and support the
Pro-nationalistic political parties, who support our causes. Then only politicians will recognize the
value of Armed and Para-Military forces instead of just using them 24+7, a skilled practice of the
politicians in power since 1947.
It was heartening to watch Gen. Oberoi willingness for his grandson joining the Army.
Finally, I only hope, May All Mighty offer some common sense to Prof. Shah, Mr. Davar and Mrs.
Liberhan if not for IESM but for the sake of the country.
With warm regards,
Amit
Amit Bhadhuri
Former CISF Officer (settled in UK)
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From: Bhanu Kumar Rai

To: Kamboj Chander
I feel that the programme anchored by Barkha was very good and this initiative is on the right
track.
We should contact Arnav Goswami of Times Today and Rahul Kanwal of Headlines Today after
a few weeks and try to have a couple of rounds.
I spent my formative years in the Army and then became a technocrat and also a pseudo
bureaucrat, then an advisor to leading business houses for several years, I tend to think a bit
differently from thoroughbred Soldiers.
I feel that making comparison with IAS/ IPS is demeaning. It opens the Babu's rule book and
confirms what is not openly stated, and clearly accepted by the Congress Party that the
bureaucrats form the basic frame of the Government and all others are essential but inferior.
We should strive at emphasising the unique work culture and the values of the Armed Forces
and strive for a separate Pay Commission now.
The attitude of the spokesman of the congress: Mr Davar was very disappointing.
He thinks that it is axiomatic to wait for a few more years for the next pay commission.
Why?
It appears that he came with a brief from the AICC.
Also, as submitted by me earlier we must remain apolitical and not align with any party while
welcoming support from enlightened politians like Mr Rajjev Chandrasekhar MP as individual
leaders.
The alignment with BJP only hardens the attitude of other parties opposed to them.
-BK Rai
(Col BK Rai, Former Secretary to Government of India, 3rd Graduates Course of the IMA,
Premature Retirement in 1970)
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From: Ram Gulrajani
To: IESM Kamboj CS, Brig
Subject: WE THE PEOPLE
Dear Brig
Barkha Dutt's programme WE THE PEOPLE on the issue of OROP telecast on 12 Sep has
kindled the conscience of the people of India. I watched this programme sitting among civilian at
a gathering, where most of them were youngsters (age group 20-30) and no one knew that I was
a retired armyman among them.
The reactions were strong and cent percent in favour of veterans. The case of Capt Sidhu
stirred up strong emotions and I could see some wet eyes among young people. The no-
nonsense stand of Mr. Rajeev Chandrashekhar, MP, was very much appreciated. One cheeky
girl even had the temerity to say Chandrashekhar is as handsome as he is bold and forthright.
Many who were not aware of this simmering problem of OROP were now educated.
Undoubtedly there was respect for soldiers, concern for their problems and the injustice meted
out them for the difficult jobs they do.
I personally missed Gen Satbir Singh, who would have confronted the anti-OROP lobby with
more facts and figures. This is to wish him quick recovery with prayers for his long and healthy
life. His role in this movement is matchless.
Over-all, this programme from the stables of NDTV will have an impact on the government,
babus and politicians. Its the beginning. Barkha's reaction to Gen Kadyan's remark that we are
holding peaceful protests, was a muted testimony of the fear every babu must be hiding that
what if this kind of trained force comes down to violent agitations.
I think the message has gone to all concerned loud and clear that defence forces are not happy
and something need to be done fast.
Veteran Ram Gulrajani.
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From: arun mishra

To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: RE: OROP PROGRAMME ON NDTV 24X7, FEED BACK
Dear Brig Kamboj,
I watched the show.
Army Cdrs who are entitled to OROP should be approached to lend their weight to the struggle.
It is a well thought out move of IAS cadre to pluck them out of the batte by putting them in
OROP cat.Unwillin
We should leave out the Honour part in this battle as it is a very intangible factor.
Using RTI we get the pension burden and connected population of both the retired IAS and
retired Defence forces officers, then work out pro rata share of both. It will make public the paltry
amount we get. Data and DATA alone will make you get the better of IAS cadre.
Form a RTI cell to get all sorts of relevant data from the govt.
(It is high time that IESM create a cell for ‘RTI’ and ‘Starred Questions’.
These two are very powerful tools of democracy.
Number of times this suggestion has come up, but IESM has not acted on it.
The forthcoming meeting of the IESM Core Group should discuss this issue and finalise the
arrangements.
It is not necessary that all tasks must be performed by the Executive Committee of the IESM.
Kindly consider coopting other ESM and form this Cell. - Chander Kamboj)
Arun Mishra Brig (Retd)
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From: vinay singh

To: REPORT MY SIGNAL(CS Kamboj)
Subject: Beware of the babu - Sarojini Naidu's letter to Nathu Singh
Dear Brigadier Kamboj,
I saw the NDTV programme on NDTV 24X7. I think the bureaucrats and lawyers had no answers
to the arguments advanced by Gen Oberoi, Gen Kadyan, Mr Chandra Sekhar, MP and
Manvendra Singh, ex- MP. No one had an answer for the reasons for MPs, judges and
Secretaries getting OROP. The fact that it isthe babus who have sabotaged it is now too well
known to bear repetition.
The fear that the bureaucracy would ruin this country was foreseen even before Independence. I
am giving below an extract of the letter written by Sarojini Naidu to Brig Thakur Nathu Singh,
who was then the Director Personnel Services, in the Adjutant General's Branch in Army HQ,
which was then located at Meerut. This was shortly after Nathu Singh had been offered the post
of C-in-C by Sardar Baldev Singh, the Defence Minister. Sarojini Naidu and Nathu Singh had
given evidence before the Skeen Committee on the same day, and had become quite close to
each other. Sarojini insisted that Nathu Singh should call her 'Mah' (Mother), and that is the way
she signed her letters to him. The two often corresponded, and at this juncture, he wrote to her,
about the problems facing the Country, and nationalisation of the Army. Sarojini Naidu
responded, on 9 January 1947, and wrote:
"Dear Nathoo Singh,

Many Thanks for sending me your very illuminating 'Shot in the dark'. It gives a correct picture of
the situation from every angle.
...As the security of the country depends entirely upon the Army, the army should not be based
on what the country can afford to have for its defence. It will be fatal to rely on a small armed
force, however efficient and modernly equipped it may be; because our country is vulnerable,
bristling with traitors and the fifth columnists, in millions in every part of India. We all know the
character and honesty of our potential enemies and so called friends.
Our leaders should get advice from us Indians in the army and other branches... and not repeat
not from hirelings, who have their own axes to grind;...
One thing more, probably you have noticed but have not mentioned; is how the army is at a
disadvantage because of that 'steel frame', who wants to have the last word in everything
pertaining to the Army. That steel frame must go.
Once again, many thanks for sending me the most illuminating 'Shot in the Dark.'
Yours
Mah
Two very important points emerge from the letter. One, the argument that funds are not enough
should never be a consideration when deciding the size and quality of the Army. Second, the
propensity of the bureaucrat to keep the military out of the decision making process was known
even then, by the political class. Unfortunately for us, the steel frame did not go. In fact, it has
become stronger.
Maj Gen VK Singh
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From: Krishen Khorana

To: Barkha Dutt
Subject: We The People - 12 September 2010. Comments and Suggestion
Dear Ms Barkha Dutt,
Hope you find the time to go through the following write up.
Maj Gen (Retd) K Khorana
“We The People” – 12 September 2010. Comments and Suggestion.

Who says money and honour are not linked?
Only combination of the two gives status. How can one forget that in India, money alone can
accord power and status? And yet, linkage of money with honour is neither dishonourable nor
something new in society and history. However, using it as a clever argument and reddest of red
herring the IAS and others of their ilk scored a brownie point over services representatives’
assertion.
It is time that our governments and the civil society stops treating the army as “good man the
laaltain”. The “laaltain” must be prevented from extinguishing.
Tell me, would you accord the same respect, honour and what have you to say Ambanis, Birlas
and Tatas sans their money? Or how many times would you invite Pratibha Patil, Sharad Pawar,
Lallu Yadav, Sushma Swaraj, Paswan and their likes to your channel studios had it not been for
their status in civil society? Status, honour, money and power are all interlinked.
All segments of society serve humanity. We all understand that. But in each profession (doctors,
teachers, lawyers etc) has individual clients, from whom they obtain remuneration/fee as per
their personal skill and volition. Armed forces have the whole nation as its client (dealing with the
nation through its elected representatives, irrespective of their political affiliations). But ultimately
it has to and must remain responsible to the whole nation. Equally, it becomes the responsibility
of the nation through its elected representatives to ensure that needs of the military are fulfilled;
they are not in a postion like in other professions, to demand directly for themselves from the
vast nation. Some panellists were ignorant on such matters.
Today, our Supreme Court, as one of the pillars of our democracy (feudalistic in nature), felt it
necessary to frequently indict the country’s executive - “don’t treat soldiers like beggars”, “don’t
make soldiers run from pillar to post with their grievances”, “don’t create classes with a class”
etc etc. Despite indictments, our Government goes back, again and again, to the Supreme Court
to reverse its judgements in favour of soldiers. With what intent? That attitude of the government
alone has proved the proverbial straw for soldiers, particularly the retired. In their ‘peaceful’
agitation mode, they have begun to submit their memoranda signed with their own blood. Mind
you that in itself is a violent act. One wonders what it would be next to make the government(s)
and civil society to listen and solve retired soldiers’ grievances.
The argument by one panellist (a bureaucrat) that cabinet secretary, chiefs and others drawing
‘fixed scales’ are only getting 50 percent of pay last drawn was utter hogwash. Cleverly done, it
made all pre 2006 retirees the beneficiary. The dispensation gave benefit to almost 70 percent of
the entire IAS cadre recruited directly, commencing 1947! The benefit would not go to beyond
double digits for those who served the armed forces. And in any case, what stopped the
government from ‘fixed scales’ for every rank of the Indian Army, from 2nd Lieutenant to Lt
General (40000 to 80000)!
The biggest fiddle of 6th CPC was sadly missed out. Historically, whether during British Raj or
post independence, every rank was paid pension according to one’s rank; higher the rank, higher
the pension. In one stroke, in 6th CPC, ranks were done away with and minimum of “pay band”,
irrespective of the rank, introduced! From lt colonel to lt general, all get the same basic pension,
with minor differences introduced for argument’s sake and to technically defeat Apex Court
judgements. One begins to wonder as to what kind of human beings are there in our
bureaucracy and the government!
OROP was a simple in its inception, when it came up in the eighties. Many governments agreed
for its implementation. In a contemporaneous environment, with every delay (over decades now)
and the governments’ baulking at Supreme Court judgments in favour of retired soldiers, the
issue is now seen as one of great injustice, hence highly emotive too. It would be a folly to let the
matter linger any further.
Suggested Solution.
1. Government should immediately obey and implement judgements, orders and instructions
passed by Indian Supreme Court, as it pertains to pay and pension of retired armed forces
personnel, in LETTER AND SPIRIT, and not just technically to hoodwink the Apex Court and
affected people.
2. As an interim measure, the government should immediately place and implement “Fixed
Formula” for basic pensions of retired soldiers, at a scale of say between 85-90 percent of basic
pension drawn by each rank retiring after 2006. The said ‘fixed formula’ should then be further
refined by the next pay commission, central or for armed forces, on the lines of OROP.
3. Armed Forces Pay Commission for serving and retired soldiers to be convened by January
2011, delinking it from any periodicity and to be held on the basis of inflation and cost index.
Report to be submitted by June 2011 and implemented by December 2011, after approval of
Parliament in its winter session.
4. Military Pensions Formulae be converted into a law and built into The Constitution of India.
(Away from any political or bureaucratic consideration).
5. Above formulations to ensure that armed forces remain apolitical, efficient and clean.
Suffice it to say that the present logjam must be broken, for the good of the country and the
armed forces.
K Khorana
Maj Gen (Retd)
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From: prem parkash batra

Subject: Fw: OROP PROGRAMME ON NDTV 24X7, FEED BACK
Commodore C Uday Bhaskar
Dear Sir,
1. Thanks. Sitting in USA, one could listen to the whole video graphed
debate.
2. First thing that comes across is that Ms Barkha Dutt has shifted the paradigm to better
compensation, that is tilted towards GOI at best midway.
3. She maneuvered the debate. She gave unlimited time to GOI spokespersons and rationed for
services. She did not have the same fire when She was reporting Kargil War. GOI and Bharkha
Dutt made it an emotional issue. Please check how many times it was said! Normally COs and
Generals put off points like that!
4. GOI is not going to change its stand as the whole debate was preloaded to middle path
leaning towards GOI.
5. The matter has been proposed to be shifted to Parliament. Each MP would not personal and
written briefing.
With best regards,
Cdr Prem P Batar Retired
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From: prem parkash batra

Subject: Re: Fw: OROP PROGRAMME ON NDTV 24X7, FEED BACK
Dear Sir,
Please permit me to add another important point. That Prof Praveen was
using wrong or biased economics. There was not much rebuttall except
emotional.
I have been pleading all these years to grasp the basics of economics
and financial matters. I am sure the uniform must have missed it during
the debate. Uniform should take more interest in these sujects and not
shy away.
Next time hire Economists to bolster the Veteran Arguements.
(A very good point. Worth examining by IESM Governing Body. The person we hire or request
should be an Economist of repute, whose name should wake up all. – Chander Kamboj)
With best regards,
Cdr Prem P Batra Retired
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From: aks bha
To: Kamboj Chander
Post 6Th Pay Commission we have the precedence of one rank one pay being given for
Secretary and Additional Secretary and equivalents. That being so a Court challenge should do
the trick of getting OROP.
I served the AMC for 22 years and took pre-mature voluntary retirement only to find that a
Civilian Doctor who served the Municipal Corporation of Delhi for equivalent period retired with
Higher pension. Did I waste my time serving the Armed Forces with all its attendant deprivations
and difficulties? The IAS would make me feel that way even though I think what I did was right
and it is these Anti-nationals who have taken the reins of the Country seem to be hell bent on
weakening the Nation and jeopardising our Sovereignty.
We must focus on exposing the traitors of the Nation. At the same time the 'Rajmata' should be
reminded that though this is not her MOTHERLAND it is her son's, her late husband and mother-
in-law's motherland. She must step in to stem the decay in the Armed Forces Morale. I say this
because the raw deal to the Armed Forces starts in-service and only carries on into retirement.
regards,
Bhalla
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From: pravesh renjen

Subject: NDTV PANEL DISCUSSION ON ONE RANK ONE PENSION TELECAST AT 8 PM ON
SUNDAY, 12 SEP 2010.
It is entirely irrelevant to give 2/10 or 8/10. It was the first such show, after all. And I agree with
Jaini that a participant can only talk that much in the time allotted to him and that they have no
control over the format or the editing. And, it is always easier for an observer to comment or think
of answers than for a participant. The bureaucrats too kept on repeating the same point again &
again. Let us leave it at that, I suggest.
To me the important lesson from the event is that such shows are very useful for our cause and
must be somehow managed with different TV channels. Many of them have generally been
favourable to us in their reportage earlier, many have veterans' children in senior positions who
should be amenable to our cause (Arnab Goswami of Times Now, senior anchor of 9X News is
Col Gurmeet Kanwal's son, Karan Thapar of IBN, Our own Maj Gen Ashok ???? who organised
a panel discussion with veterans only on OROP should be asked to host one more but with civ
participants too, there must be many more who can help). We should persuade them to host
Panel Discussions on subjects related to OROP (the entire issue can NEVER be adequately
addressed in a single half hour programme). Subjects like - Rationale for OROP or Should the
Nation treat its Military Differently or What makes the Military Different to Other Govt Services,
Civil Military relations - emerging crisis of confidence, The Missing War Memorial of India etc.
There can be many. Aim should be to educate the public on numerous issues related to the
serving and retired military personnel and garner their support.
So all those who have some links with the media should be asked to help in getting such
discussions organised by different TV channels.
God Bless,
Pravesh Renjen
(Maj Gen PK Renjen, Member IESM Governing Body)
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From: Rakesh Prasad Chaturvedi

Subject: VIDEO OF NDTV OROP PROGRAMME : 'Pension for ex-Armymen: A question of
equality'
Just saw the NDTV program on the link below (had missed the second half since had to leave for
a social event).
All in all, despite all that got said/ unsaid, it seems a balanced program, and I would rate its
achievement as 8 or 9 pointer.
It got the counter-views (not entirely unknown to us, so far) and had the necessary emotional
content. Albeit, to the point of making OROP sound like just that. Fortunately, Barkha did cover
that once.
I wish the point about Early Retirement was emphasized by ESM present, to a larger degree,
since it IS the major logic for OROP.
So, for one, the program DID have some youngsters support the OROP concept. One even
spoke about the lavish perks of bureaucrats.
Second, the stand-off between the Defence and Civil Services was obvious, with few mincing
words in expressing themselves.
And Last, it led to the conclusion that the above two factors did necessitate a 'parliamentary
debate' on the issue. You know how parliamentary debates take place. So one can't be sure
what they would look like. MPs being purchased? Is the issue egoistically going to lead to those
silly extremes? IN ANY case parliamentary bodies have already indicated support to the
philosophy of OROP.
SO where now?
With Warm Regards,
Col RP Chaturvedi,
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From: Aditya Jaini

To: coregpiesm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: COMMENTS ON NDTV PANEL DISCUSSION ON ONE RANK ONE PENSION
TELECAST AT 8 PM ON SUNDAY, 12 SEP 2010.
Friends,
Whatever it may be, the NDTV has conducted the show on OROP the way they had planned it.
THAT is their 'bread & butter'.
We should feel HAPPY that we have been able to achieve whatever mileage we could draw out
of the Pgme.
Some may feel it could have been more 'Blood' drawn, but that is one view.
I guess NO usefull purpose is served by asking for views on the Pgme. It will only add to the
already unmaneageable load of computer work in r/o OROP.
Suggest, let us put the Show behind our backs & 'LOOK FWD' to our next steps.
THERE IS LOTS MORE TO DO...
Regards
Gen Jaini
---------------
From: Vinod Gandhi

Subject: NDTV PANEL DISCUSSION ON ONE RANK ONE PENSION TELECAST AT 8 PM ON
SUNDAY, 12 SEP 2010.
Dear All
I think the show has gone very well and all the speakers from IESM have done a commendable
job. Praveen Dawar and finance expert lady were very uncomfortable from the beginning and
made lame excuses. OROP was brought out very clearly by Rajiv Chandrashekhar, Gen Raj
Kadyan, Gen Oberoi and others.
It is very easy to sit outside and comment that this should have been said and that should have
been said. We must all remember in a debate like this one can only speak about the question
asked to him and as long as the mike is in one's control. One is not permitted to speak on every
issue what is in your mind, One has to prioritise the points, and I think that has been done very
well.
We must all be thankful to M/s Barkha dutt and NDTV for conducting a very effective and to the
point show and shaking the conscience of the nation.
It was very heartening to know the feeling of youngsters on the issue.
I am sure this will create an uproar in the Lok sabha in the winter session.
Regards
Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM
Gen Sec IESM
-------
From: Shashank Bendre

Subject: NDTV on OROP
Dear Veterans,
After watching the NDTV programme on 12 Sep, my impression was that the audience
appeared to be on the side of the Armed Forces and the three (government sponsored)
opponents of OROP-the lady ex-Secretary Min of Def (Finance), the other learned scholar and of
course our dear friend Capt Davar, were sort of isolated. I congratulate Gen. Kadyan and his
team who have led the IESM superbly for this performance. I have the following comments to
make which may please be circulated:
1.The narration by the Captain about his travails was very effective and the audience, the
opposition and even Barkha Datt, were stunned and had no answer for a few moments when he
vented out his frustration. Yet, it was really nauseating to hear a comment by one of the
opponents that the Captain was trying to evoke sympathy through his disability. It was saddening
to see to what depth of meanness and shamelessness these gentlemen, who spend their entire
life sitting at the desk throughout their career where no risk is involved, can stoop to make their
point. But I do not think that the PM and his team realise that this stubborn and inimical official
stance towards the Armed Forces does not augur well for the nation.
2. One gentleman (Capt Davar?) made a ridiculous comment that the Fire Brigade personnel,
too, risk their lives fighting fires. It looks like he had buried his head in sand during his
distinguished(!) Army service since he seems to be unaware that combating a well-armed
enemy, facing bullets and grenades is an altogether different proposition from fighting a fire. And
if it were the same, the fire brigade personnel would have been positioned at the border and
terror affected areas in India and not the Army!
3. The lady IAS officer and her supporters said that the Armed Forces service cannot be
considered unique and that each government service has its own job cut out. If that were the
case, the HM Mr Chidambaram would not be crying hoarse to have the Army deployed in the
Naxal hit areas supported by air power of the Air Force to combat the Naxals. He has hundreds
of thousands of civil police forces and the combat forces like RAF,CRPF, and many other under
the home ministry, but their severe limitations were clearly exposed in fighting the Naxals during
the last six months or so. He is now obviously convinced that these forces cannot meet the threat
in any manner and deliver results. Moreover, it is the Army and the Air Force who are called out
to help the civil authorities (IAS, IPS etc) in the event of natural calamities like floods,
earthquakes and even to rescue persons fallen in the bore wells due to their own negligence.
The 26/11 terrorists in Mumbai were neutralised by the commandos of the Army, the Navy and
the NSG ( who is composed of mainly Army Personnel) and not by the Mumbai Police or other
police forces. If these attributes do not make Armed Forces unique then what will? The lady
should have been made to answer this question.
4. It was brought out that at the time of independence the civil services pension was 33 % and
that of the Armed Forces 75 %. This was altered later to raise the civil services to 50 % and bring
down the Armed Forces to 50 %. If true,the IESM should highlight this point.
5. Shri. ( I am averse to call him Capt.) Davar claimed that the government has agreed to have a
separate Pay Commission for the Armed Forces. He had the temerity to say that it cannot be
constituted now because the next pay commission is is due only after another five years.
Although this is a well known tactic for stalling for time, one might ask how has a minor Congress
functionary like him has usurped the authority to announce such major and controversial policy
decisions on behalf of the Indian government?
6. Lastly, Mr. Rajiv Chandrasekhar rightly pointed out that it is a dangerous game to drive a
wedge between the Commissioned officers and the NCOs (who have now been intentionally
designated (denigrated (?) as PBORs, by saying that the latter comprise 90 % of the strength of
the total personnel and that they have been given better pensions almost equivalent to OROP.
All in all, it was a dignified performance by all the Armed Forces representatives despite grave
and silly provocations by the opponents. I do not see the end to fight for OROP any nearer
looking at the attitude of the IAS and the Congress party cronies who seem determined to stall
the struggle of the Armed Forces to get their due. It is clear that this struggle has to be fought
politically and through sympathetic media and not through officialdom as we as disciplined
soldiers, are accustomed to do.
Regards,
Shashank Bendre
Wg.Cdr.(Retd)
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From: Col. Alok Ghosh

Subject: We The People... (OROP)
Dear Sir
I saw the "We The People..." taking up the issue of OROP.
I know its difficult but not Impossible after the White Collared Men are placed at the right place.
The Efforts of the Organisation is truly appreciative.
Can we also force through following requirement to obviate the perceptions of those Professor
Sahib The Senior Lawyer of the Supreme Court and the AICC Ex Service Men Rep Capt (???)
Sahib who were so ignorant and vague of the Military Life :-
(a) Military Service for at least one year for all IAS Bureaucrats be made Compulsory due to
changed Security Environment of the Country, in their first three years service so that they
understand the environment and the language we speak and trained to take on the future
National Crisis. They be treated at par as a Capt for their all administrative supports during the
period.
(b) Similar attachments for three months for the MPs be also made in their every five year term,
when they should be treated at par as a Capt for their all administrative supports and NO Leave
during the attachment.
(c) Rallies be now Organised in various parts of the Country to demonstrate the wider spreading
of the Fire.
With Warm Regards
Col AK Ghosh, Pune
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From: Rakesh Prasad Chaturvedi

Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [CoreGpIESM] NDTV Show
A postmortem is natural AND healthy.
I agree with Veteran Pathak's views. I also initially thought that a 'lot more' countering and 'fire
belching' could have been done. Such thoughts largely stayed with me all morning since I saw
the program on net.
However, following needs to be kept in mind in our analysis, and continuity.
This was THE first program on TV, on this long standing emotive issue.
Atleast I was NOT expecting the moon. I considered that one or at best two central themes/
premise would be settled.
For one, the 'emotional' content, of this 'emotive' issue has been settled. Some veterans
commented that Capt Sidhu's inputs though powrerful, did not refer to OROP. Yes, maybe. BUT
most probably they DID contribute majorly to the indifferent GOI and the insensitive bureaucracy,
in their conduct towards the defence community............even in a starkly clear case, which HIS
is, much more visible than the OROP. An average man should get away thinking "oh my God!!
How can the GOI be so bad? To its soldiers that too???".
Lt Kameshwar, aside from the bit on PBOR, made another point. The ANGUISH. The 'ROSH' in
minds of the veteran community about GOI empathy. And that it may become uncorntrollable.
Link this to Gen Kadyan's point about 'peaceful protests' of IESM. How far therefore, people
should have thought, would IESM leadership be able to hold? I second that thought/query.
Gen Kadyan' s opening 'six', explaining expectations vs responsibilities could not have come off
better.
Gen Oberoi's contribution in rebutting Davar on 'ESM satisfaction levels' was timely. As was his
explanation about the Disability component of the pension.
I particularly liked the few youngsters commenting on bureaucratic perks. No relevance to
OROP? Perhaps yes, but then in any case the program could not have GIVEN us OROP
yesterday?
To conclude, my take home on this 'what was and what was not said' program is- "GOI and
particularly the bureaucracy is insensitive, they dont hear the defence community, who is the
largest contributer to national security and the numerous hassles of life, and that is why the latter
is unhappy, one MP in South is very assertively in agreement that they should be heard,and is
even turning down his own enhanced pay for that. He is trying to mobilize support of his
colleagues also.Bureaucrats and some econmomists are throwing flimsy excuses like lack of
budget... but what's the big deal? They seem to have all the money for self interest perks, and
CG games, and continue to make more out of that. I think the faujis need a better deal"
How is all the above for ONE single program? I feel a lot really. Dont miss the wood for trees.
AND yes, the onion will be peeled layer by layer.
With Warm Regards,
Col RP Chaturvedi
-------------
From: Narinder Dhand

Subject: NDTV Pgme on Pension for ESMs: A question of Equality
Dear All
I agree with Col Chaturvedi's views..
The programme has brought the necessary debate on the issue it has amply highlighted the
indifferent attitude of the Babus towards the Armed Forces and their rediculous thinking and
eqating the soldier with a fire fighting man. Apathy .....
The pgme may not remain on NDTV website for long I have recorded the same on a DVD
playable on all DVD players which I shall courier to Gen Satbir'for records.
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/we-the-people/pension-for-ex-armymen-a-ques tion-of-
equality/163348
I will also pass on a copy of the DVD to Arun Vihar Institute for keeping in the Library.
Brig NK Dhand (Veteran)
---------------
From: raj singh

To: Kamboj Chander
Dear Sir,
I saw the pgme. It was very good. the Beuraucrats practically lost face and ran out of
logic/arguments. I wish we have more pgmes like this.
We need strategic level co option of Media (print as well as electronic) in form of a net work,ie at
local dailies and local channels. am sure we can arrange sponsors.
Grand and great effort by you all sir.
regards,
Lt Col Raj Singh(retd)
-------------
From: nawab heer

Subject: CNBC DEBATE ON OROP ON 12 AUG 2010-CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL
Dear All,
On behalf of all ESM organisations and IESM we all congratulate Capt Sidhu,Gen Raj Kadyan,
Gen Oberoi, Commander Bhasker,Malvendra Singh and MP Chander Shekhar.
They have done a wonderful job.
We were working behind the scene for the last few days with CNBC through Bharkha Datt. More
than Veterans who participated we are also proud of Cantonment Kids (CK,s)i.e. MP Chander
Shekhar, Malvendra Singh and Barkha Datt.
Now we are nearing it. We are providing common brief on behalf of all ESM,s of Punjab to
Punjab MP's. We will request all other states to do so. We are convinced that during next session
of Parliament there will be a debate on OROP. we must all now work on our MP's. General Satbir
informed me that they have already contacted 35 MP's in Delhi we need to contact all 542.
I being coordinator of ESM of Punjab having been given powers to "Declare HUKA PANI BAND"
of any ESM working against cause of ESM, today having been convinced that Capt Parveen
Davar EX Deccan Horse need to be declared as 'Jai Chand Of ESM". So any ESM dealing with
him will be annoying all ESM community. I will request all to boycott Capt Davar from all social
get together in Delhi and elsewhere for his stance totally against ESM. He is socially boycotted
till he renders apology to all ESM of India.
One lesson which emerges out of the debate that rather than depending on only emotions and
sentiments we need to find real answers for two uestions. One, legality part of OROP.Two,an
analogy given by professor that over a period of time differences in pension likely to appear
between son and father retiring in same rank.Please do not start shooting me;I am suggesting
we must have real time answers.Somehow I felt that our Generals although gave very good
points ,but were not that prepared for the few points raised by the enemy camp.In future we have
to be prepared.For the debate in parliament we need some well read and informed Generals like
Gen R and few others irrespective of ranks.
CK,s are our HR for future ventures. With all respect to Barkha, it seemed that she was also
biased against us, unless it is my tainted mind. MP Chnader Shekhar and Capt Sidhu carried the
day.
Request to all ESM. reinforce success by holding all types of protests including Candle Laight
Vigil throught India.Nothing goes un-noticed. Please unite irrespective IESM/ IESL or any other
ESM org.Rise above party lines, my request to friend davar also.
Regards,
Veteran Nawab
------------
From: ambreesh aggarwal

Subject: OROP
OROP issue has been doing rounds in different circles. Satyagrahas, representations by Ex-
service men/ organisations are hitting the headlines. There are high hopes that in the coming
winter session BJP will prevail over the government to make them accede to `OROP'.
In 1991 the government had the demand of OROP struck down by a Constitution Bench of the
Supreme Court. To that extent the chapter was closed.
However, lately the government has given `OROP' in a different garb to the most other than a
large chunk of the officer rank personnel.
In the first look it shows government's apathy towards the said band of the officer category,
whereby a highly discriminative treatment has been meted out to those `who are either not
included in or are specifically barred from the applicability of the couple of (in) famous MOD
circulars'
There is, however, a silver lining in this. Inadvertently the government has brought about a
change in the law on OROP, even though selectively.
What can be a realistic hope, therefore, for the left out categories is - go back to court because
once there is a change in the relevant `legislation' subsequent to a court order on that particular
point of law, the latter no longer remains binding (even if it is a Constitution Bench judgment).
Thus the government has, itself, re-opened the chapter which it took arduous pains to get
`closed' by the highest authority of the land.
regards
Wg Cdr A K Aggarwal (Retd.)
Advocate-on- Record
Supreme Court of India
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From: Vivek Bopiah

Subject: RANK INJUSTICE: ONE RANK, ONE PENSION
Dear Brig
I must compliment Barkha on her fairly balanced compering.
While it was expected that some of the veterans would be carried away by emotions and talk of
honour vis a vis OROP it did detract from the main issues.
Certainly we do not expect OROP to be granted for the sake of honour or izzat. These
statements gave the arrogant and condescending Ms Lieberhan and the 'Pink' lawyer a handle to
make comments irrelevant to the issues under discussion. The 'Pink' lady should have
commented on the Govt's opposition to the various Court judgements, which she did not.
I wonder why!
Gens Oberoi, Kadyan and Manvender came across well while Capt Sidhu turned the screws
nicely on the injustice meted out.
On Capt Davar - less said the better but our history is full of such characters like Mir Jafar, and
their kind. A turncoats who is nothing but a dog wagging his tail to please his UPA masters.
The fact that the Court judgements on anamolies of various PCs is not being respected itself
shows that the Govt will not even listen rationally to the arguments for OROP.
The expression of frustration on Rajeev Chandrashekhar's face said it all.
I may sound cynical when I say that the programme is not likely to achieve much in the near
future. If anything the bureaucrat will stiffen his resolve to put spokes more than ever before.
Regards
Vivek Bopiah
------------

Subject: NDTV Programme
Dear Chander,
I saw the programme last night. Kindly see my views as attached. Look fwd to seeing you here
soon.
Ahsan
(Lt Col MA Siddiqui, New Delhi)
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I had the opportiunity to watch the NDTV programme “We The People” that was beamed on
Sunday. The spokesperson should have been knowledgeable person having an insight on the
way the Army functions. Had this been done, people like Mr Ajay …, I do not remember his full
name or Mrs Liberhan, a retired bureaucrat or the Lady lawyer of the supreme court should not
have been in.
I remember, in the sixties, the IAS trainees had to do an attachment with infantry battalions
deployed in field areas of about four weeks duration. The purpose was to give them an insight
into their way of working, so that when they sat in decision making positions, they would be take
a correct decision.
Mr Ajay brought up the question of fire fighting men when the hazards the army faced, was
discussed. How the two service are even comparable, one is not able to understand.
The lady lawyer talked, as if the whole burden of the country’s financial planning was on her
head. She should have spoken on why the Government was filing revision petitions in courts
where the decision went in favour of the litigants, who were fighting for their legitimate rights. If
she is so seriously concerned about the country’s financial health, I want to know how much
appearance fee she charges her clients.
There should have been at least one ex-service chief on the panel. I am sure no one would have
refused to join in., if invited. This would have made the discussion more broad based.
I was happy to hear the views of some youngsters who strongly felt that our ex servicemen
should be honoured and given due respect, apart from monetary compensation for the early
retirement, so that they could lead their residual life with dignity and respect.
Why the parallel induction in para military forces was not discussed, when their rehabilitation
came up. The focus should have been to discuss the way an army jawan lives his life. This only
became partially known when an ex havaldar narrated why he could not give his children good
education as in his entire 18 years of service in the army, he could could spend only two months
time with his family, when he came on annual leave. He could not get a descent job when he
went job hunting after retirement
The term PBOR kept coming up frequently, till the MP who was present in tele- conferencing,
pointed this out, saying that this was a malicious step to create a divide between the offers and
the men. In short, the programme failed to come up with a definite proposal which the
Government could look into. Perhaps, a retired Secretary level officer, should also have been
included , so that we could also know their views as we often blame the “Babus’ for all our ills.
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From: MK Jain
To: Chander Kamboj; DELETED
Subject: OROP PROGRAMME BY BARKHA DATT
Dear Sirs,
Our 'dear friend', Capt Praveen Davar, to my mind seemed to drive a wedge between IESM and
IESL by stating that IESL, which is the representative body of ESM's across India has thanked
the Govt for doing so much for ESM.
Incidentally, had IESL too had participated in the panel discussion, it could've lent more
credibility and solidarity to the issues that were addressed.
Veteran M.K.JAIN.
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From: Gadepally Kameswara rao

Subject: NDTV - OROP- PANEL DISCUSSION 12-9-10
My observations on the NDTV programme by Barkha Dutt on 12-9-10 :
Praveen Davar's answers / comments are according to his earlier statement and there does not
appear to be any change in his stand on the subject. Is that the official attitude of the Congress /
Soniajee also? In which case, no positive result can be expected in the near future. Davar
saying that the Armed Forces Pay Commission would have to be awaited until the elapse of 6
years from now is atrocious.
The government's acceptance of a separate pay commission for the Armed Forces did not
mention that it would be set up along with the next Central Pay Commission.. Since this demand
was accepted in principle on the representations made in the particular context of the anomalies
of the VI CPC it stands to reason that the Armed Forces Pay Commission be set up now to
rectify those anomalies as well as to consider the OROP demand. Davar's "Sympathy" to Capt
Siddhu sounded very hollow. It is a pity that Capt Davar, an ESM ( I donot want to venerate him
by referring to him as a VETERAN) did not take up the cause of the Armed Forces in a positive
manner as an individual rather than as an official spokesman of the reigning government !
Indu Liberhan has re-iterated the Bureaucrats' decisions / opinions and has not added any
further enlightenment regarding their point of view.
Rajeev Chandrasekhar's support to the ESM and Serving personnel is very valuable and we
hope that he would be able to convince / convert the politician administrators to suitably modify
their stance for a positive action.His observation about bringing a DANGEROUS division
between Officers and the rest of the Armed Forces personnel is well taken and is a very strong
objection to the statements made "about the 'PBOR' being given OROP already and thus there
cannot be any further grouse from the Armed Forces because 90 % of them are happy and have
welcomed the Government's action", which statements imply / mean indirectly that it is only the
Officer Cadre that is raising this hue and cry !
Barkha Dutt has tried to give a positive approach to the demand and this programme shows that
the Media's attention is getting focussed on the belittlement of the ESM and the Armed
Forces ,at last. However I feel that the need to give OROP to the Armed Forces could have
been further elaborated, emphasising the differing service requirements between them and the
rest of the civilian employees and population.
Well Done-- all the ESM Organisations ! KEEP it up.
Lt Col (retd) Dr. G. Kameswara Rao
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THE END
Dear All
The show of discussion on OROP by NDTV has gone very well. Congratulations to all the
participants and to all those who have worked to prepare the information for the participants.
Brig Nawab has put forward a very good point that we should do 'HUKA PANI BAND' of any
veteran who is found working against the welfare of veterans despite his affiliations to any
organisation. I request to all organisations spread all over India to please boycott all those who
are working against the welfare of veterans. Let us all united or otherwise channel our resources
only in one direction to get OROP for veterans.
This is the time to strike and let us all put our best foot forward (despite our different
organisations) and put unsurmountable pressure on the Govt so that the Govt agrees to OROP
and all other demands.
Regards
Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM
Gen Sec IESM

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