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F = PeqSA
Where:
F = the total wind force on the element
Peq = the equivalent wind pressure (dynamic pressure)
S = the pipe element wind shape factor
A = the pipe element exposed area as shown in the figure
as follows
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Richard
Ay The shape factor (Cf) is an input value - you define this in
Member the Piping Input.
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12/13/99 The gust factor defaults to 0.85 unless you define the 1st
Posts: 5828 natural frequency of the piping system. If this frequency is
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Texas, USA the gust factor. At the moment (ASCE-2005), you can find
this information (and the equations) in Section 6.5.8. (In
ASCE-2002 this section was in the Commentary.)
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Re: Wind Force Calculation [Re: Richard Ay] #15433 - 01/22/08 07:51 PM
D.H.Seok
Thanks for your information.
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But now I'm still confusing. That's why we have 3
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08/15/06 methods to evaluate wind load in CAESAR II as follows.
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Loc: Korea 1. Use ASCE#7 Wind Load Parameters
2. Use User-Defined Wind Pressure vs Elevation
3. Use User- Defined Wind Velocity vs Elevation
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Member Good morning Richard,
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10/04/11 We have one question. We have the following data:
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directly in the wind user profile and also the factor 0.65
(for piping)in the input of Caesar.
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mariog
Member A basic wind speed of 49 m/s correspond to a basic wind
pressure of 0.625*49^2 [Pa], where 0.625 is half of
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09/29/07 "standard" air density, so the first question would be why
Posts: 622 you input there the mÃnimum design wind loading.
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ASCE 7 just asks for a design wind not less than 16 lb/ft2
(0.77 kPa).
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mikina
Member My question was,
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10/04/11 which was the value to input in Caesar 2?
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0.77 Kn /m2 and in the input of Caesar2 a cf=0.65
or the mÃnimum design force 0,77Kn/m2 in the wind user
profile, and cf=1,in the input
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mariog
Member What I tried to say is that your approach based on
"0,77Kn/m2" seems to ignore the data you have, i.e.
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09/29/07 Basic wind speed: 49 m/s, Exposure category: B. So the
Posts: 622 answer to your question is neither of your alternatives,
Loc: Romania except when your calculation shows values less than 0.77
kPa.
BTW, for the formula I've written, ASCE 7 considers the
coefficient of 0.617 instead my 0.625- which is by
EuroCode.
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Member Thanks a lot Mario
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10/04/11 ok, I understood the answer, we don´t have to input cf
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Loc: spain But,Could someone else confirm this issue?
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mikina
Member Because in the paragraph 29.8 it´s said:
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Posts: 5 not less than 16 lb/ft2 (0.77 kN/m2) multiplied by the
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mikina
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But, in my case, I consider cf=0.65 in the input and
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Posts: 5 In the "wind user profile" pressure vs elevation 0.77
Loc: spain Kn/m2 (which is the mÃnimum)
Is it right?
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Re: Wind Force Calculation [Re: Richard Ay] #66524 - 06/01/16 11:39 PM
mariog
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Quote:
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Re: Wind Force Calculation [Re: Richard Ay] #70334 - 11/08/17 03:53 AM
khatkole
But where to input Elevation in CII when we are using
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danb
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global coordinates and insert elevation from ground.
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khatkole
correct but what Elevations to be used for ground to be
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Posts: 31 there we correlate the elevation coordinates with input
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coordinates, but when we are using ASCE#7 we are not
know what is base/grade elevation taken in to
calculations.
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danb
Member Being the distance from ground to your element, I guess
you can enter the 3D model and measure. For example a
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If on iso the elevation is something 100.500 you can
imagine that 100.000 is reference elevation so in global
coordinate you will not insert 100.500 but 500 (if in mm)
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