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HIGHER ED
Are Grad Students Employees? Labor Board To
Again Weigh In
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April 7, 2016 · 4:24 PM ET
Heard on All Things Considered
YUKI NOGUCHI
Graduate workers rally in 2014 at Columbia University for the ability to unionize.
Tiffany Yee-Vo/Graduate Workers of Columbia-UAW
For Paul Katz, who's three years into a history Ph.D. program at Columbia University,
the 15 to 20 hours a week he spends teaching university undergraduates should mean
he's an employee. He teaches in addition to conducting his own research.
"I grade all of their papers, their exams, I run review sessions, I meet with them one-
on-one, basically support them throughout the semester," Katz says. "The university
should treat me as an employee because I do work for them."
But technically, he doesn't. The university classifies him as a student — even though it
pays him a stipend and provides health insurance.
"It's more or less impossible to live in New York City on a graduate stipend and not
spend at least 40 percent of your income in rent," he says.
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You must be considered an employee to form a union, so it's hard for Katz and his
fellow graduate students to do much about their status. There are 1.7 million graduate
students in the U.S, according to the Council of Graduate Schools. A small fraction —
about 2 percent — are represented by unions, nearly all of them at public universities,
which are governed by state, instead of federal, labor laws.
With respect to private universities, the National Labor Relations Board has flip-
flopped in its policy. For decades, it held that students were not employees, then ruled
in favor of students in a case in 2000. Under a new administration, the board reversed
itself again four years later. Now, students at Columbia and The New School are
petitioning for another change.
John Logan, a labor and employment professor at San Francisco State University, says
the shifts are tied largely to the political makeup of the board.
"When we get a new administration and the composition of the board changes, then
sometimes you get this process of policy oscillation where the pendulum swings from
one side to the other," Logan says.
"Everybody starting in a professional career can get some experience at a new job, but
that doesn't make it not a job," Nisenson says. "Universities more broadly have been
pushing a lot of the work towards contingent faculty, towards graduate assistants and
towards other non-tenure track faculty."
Peter McDonough, general counsel of the American Council on Education, agrees. His
group represents university leadership.
McDonough says research universities in particular give their faculty wide latitude in
setting up grad student work hours and schedules. He says losing that flexibility might
jeopardize some kinds of research. He also says the process has become very
politicized, and current labor board members are reconsidering this issue for political,
instead of policy reasons. Even if his side loses this decision, he says, it could always
change back when the composition of the labor board changes again.
"I have real doubts that it would be a sustaining view," McDonough says.
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