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2 U.S. SENATE
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1 APPEARANCES :
6 Chairman Grassley
10 Chairman Grassley
12 Se nator Feinstei n
14 Se nator Feinstei n
16 Senator Feinstein
24 Chairman Grassley
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1 APPEARANCES :
6 Chairman Grassley
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1 I N D E X
2 EXAMINATION
3 WITNES S PAGE
4 By Mr. Davi s 21
5 By Ms . Sawyer 68
6 By Mr . Davis 121
7 By Ms . Sawye r 14 0
8 By Mr . Priv o r 14 9
9 By Ms . Sawyer 1 97
10 By Mr. Foster 22 2
11 By Mr . Davis 223
12 EXHIBITS
14 Exhibit 1 22
15 E- mail
16 Ex hibit 2 25
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Ex h ibit 3
E- mail
call l og
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20 Exhibit 4 34
21 E-mai l
22 Exhibit 5 47
23 E- mail
24 Ex h ibit 6 52
25 E-ma il
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1 EXHIBI TS
2 (Con t ' d )
3 Exhibit 7 54
5 Exhibit 8 56
7 Exhi b i t 9 56
8 Tweet
9 Exhibi t 10 75
10 E- mail
11 Exhibit 11 85
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Exhibit 1 2
E- mail
pho n e bill
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15 Exhibi t 1 3 130
16 E- mail
17 Exhibit 14 132
19 Exhibit 15 140
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19 staf f.
22 well .
7 Senator Feinstein.
22 i s over.
2 r eady t o do tha t.
7 MR . TRUMP : I do .
15 int e r v i ew .
23 record .
25 F- U-T-E- R- F- A- S .
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24 MR. TRUMP: I do .
6 that?
22 inte rview.
3 now as well .
5 a statement?
11 thank ful for the o ppo rtunity t o meet with you t oday
15 a n yone who d i d .
1 Go l ds t o n e in person.
5 Convention i n mi d -Ju l y .
17 2017 .
4 i s t oda y .
25 o n J une 14th.
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12 notice .
24 Kushner ."
14 n o t es .
23 pro vide more c l arity a bout her o bject ive for the
24 mee ting .
21 it no further though t.
3 honored t o be a part of it .
10 joined us .
11 EXAMINATION
12 BY MR . DAVIS :
19 Organization ?
20 A . 2001 , September.
22 Organiza t io n ?
2 A . No t an offi c i a l role , n o .
7 i de ntifi cati on .)
8 BY MR . DAVIS :
11 Go l dstone .
12 A. Yes .
15 A. Thank you .
21 corr e ct?
22 A . That i s co rrec t.
18 A . No , we had no t.
24 A . I did not .
9 A. I believe so , yes .
18 the time ?
9 a rus h t o act on .
11 fi rst ?
1 BY MR . DAVI S :
8 correct ?
9 A. I believe it is , yes .
16 A . I believe it t o be .
19 of t hat call ?
8 A . I have no i dea .
11 A . I don 't.
16 recal l that ca l l at a l l ?
17 A . I do no t.
23 A . I do no t.
4 A. No , I don 't.
17 A . No t t hat I recall , no .
22 A . Correct .
1 informat i on fr om Russia?
5 A. No , no t to my recol l ect i on .
8 meeting?
9 A. No, I did n o t.
11 the meet i ng before hand , what did you tell them was
21 conversa ti on briefly.
1 whi ch Mr . Mana f ort r epl i ed " See you then ." Other
5 A . No t that I recall , no .
9 tablo i d j ournalist .
18 identification . )
19 BY MR . DAVIS :
14 u p ."
24 campaign?
3 Trump?
5 Q. Yes .
11 A. No , I' m not.
14 Fl ori da?
19 be f ore that.
21 wi th him?
24 acquaintance .
2 of the two?
4 rel a ted.
17 A . No, n ot t h at I recall .
19 to t he Russian government?
24 no .
3 BY MR . DAVIS:
9 Aga l arov?
11 re co ll ec ti on .
14 BY MR . DAVIS :
18 A . Thank you .
2 r e lati o n s ."
13 e l ection ."
22 A . Ge ne ral well-wi s hi ng .
7 meeti n g with.
13 sources ?
14 A . I d i d not .
18 campaign?
19 A . No .
22 A. No .
25 t h e Trump campai g n ?
37
1 A. No .
5 A . No .
15 did?
16 A. No t that I recal l.
19 A. Yes , he did .
24 en ti re mee ting?
5 remember .
11 l i ke l y .
13 you heard t hat name . You mean you ' ve heard t hat
14 n ame s ince --
19 no .
20 BY MR . DAVI S :
23 A . As a l awyer .
1 A. She did n o t.
4 expl a in t h i s discrepancy?
5 A . He did not .
7 A. I didn't.
14 A . No t to my knowledge, n o .
18 A. It did not .
1 of Fusi on GPS?
7 a t t he time?
9 at t he time .
13 A . I was not .
16 night before your meeting , had met with her the day
18 mee ting ?
19 A . I was not .
21 introduce d?
24 or who he worked f o r?
3 A . No.
5 to the meeting?
6 A . Not to my knowledge , no .
10 A . It did not .
19 real estate d eal, but I didn 't realize that Ike was
25 hi s busine ss to be?
42
1 A. I don't recall.
3 worked?
5 Crocus .
10 entities?
15 A. No .
20 A . No t t hat I remember.
1 A . Yes , t hey d i d .
8 re co ll ec ti on ?
17 o n.
18 BY MR . DAVIS:
21 Ho l d ings?
8 offi c ial?
9 A. I ' m n o t aware o f t ha t.
15 Mr . Sergei Magnitsky?
16 A . No t that I recal l, no .
25 Holding s if e lected?
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1 A . No t t hat I remember .
9 A. Si n ce the n, ye s , I have .
16 familiar .
20 DNC .
9 have .
10 BY MR . DAVIS :
14 A . No thi ng .
17 A . No thi ng .
2 A . Yes .
4 meeting?
8 A. No t that I recall , no .
10 the meeting ?
14 BY MR . DAVIS :
18 A . Thank yo u.
3 phone call .
6 c omme nts ?
10 A . I didn ' t, no .
16 A . No ne that I remember , no .
3 of t he Trump campai gn ?
7 apo l ogy?
16 BY MR . DAVIS :
3 account .
7 yo u k new?
14 yo ur a t t e nti o n?
20 o r Mr . Samochorno v?
25 A. No , I di d n o t.
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3 fr ame?
11 all .
13 identification .)
14 BY MR . DAVIS :
10 on Capitol Hill.
14 BY THE WITNESS:
15 A. Okay.
23 recall specifically .
2 So I was not , no .
7 meeti ng?
8 A. No t that I recall , no .
12 A. I do no t.
14 i de ntifi cati on . )
15 BY MR . DAVI S :
5 reading from?
9 BY MR . DAVIS :
13 no .'"
15 statement to them?
20 have met along the campaign trail every day for two
21 years .
4 were marked f or
5 identifi c ation .)
6 BY MR . DAVIS:
10 will be Exhibit 8 .
16 that this was the true agenda all along and that
22 a n d wh e n he h e ld p u bl i c office.
17 opposition research.
19 but when that didn 't wo rk out they said the woman
25 Magnitsky Act .
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4 e ntire meet ing was the mos t inane non s ense I ever
23 about it .
5 other input?
9 statement?
17 nothi ng to do with .
22 of each of those.
25 A. I don't know .
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2 s t a t ement?
11 Russ i a ?
16 be four or five .
24 your openi ng stat ement , but when was the las t t ime
25 you v i s it ed Russ i a?
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6 that accurat e?
7 A. Yes .
12 Q . Has it s ince?
15 i ssues .
20 if any, o t her s .
1 A . Absol u t e l y no t.
6 A . No , I ' m not.
11 A. Yes , I do .
13 with him?
17 o n t he campaig n ?
22 A . I'm n o t, n o .
24 A . No .
10 o f it ?
15 Conve nti on .
17 wit h him?
22 campai g n?
10 Yanukovych?
12 the time , no .
15 b u s i ness wi t h Mr . Mana f o r t ?
16 A . No , no t tha t I recal l .
17 Q. Do y o u k n ow Ko n s t ant in Ki limni k ?
22 no .
8 A . I have no i dea .
13 I recall at th i s time .
15 the campaign ?
19 A . No .
21 A . I do .
4 occas i o n a ll y .
20 10 :45.
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1 EXAMINAT ION
2 BY MS . SAWYER :
10 A . Thank you .
13 A . I did not , no .
15 ev er u sed?
19 address ?
20 A . I belie ve so , y es .
22 p h one?
23 A . I did not .
24 Q . Personal phone ?
2 A . I do , yes .
17 used?
3 f rom t ha t.
5 if it ca n be searche d .
8 I don't know .
9 BY MS. SAWYER:
12 ca le ndar?
19 A . Yes , it wou l d .
22 do so?
25 kn ow if t he p ri or q ue s ti o n al l uded, bu t to t he
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3 BY THE WITNESS :
5 statement .
17 A . I do .
19 Trump Tower?
20 A . He did , yes .
22 offices?
8 confiden ti al "?
9 A . Yes .
13 A . I don 't, no .
16 time?
17 A . I don't recall t h at , n o .
2 t h e Committee?
4 BY MS . SAWYER :
6 wi th anyone ?
7 A . No , n ot that I recal l.
12 about it ?
14 it .
3 my of f ice ," Mr . Manafort resp onds " See you t hen ."
5 that t ime?
25 t h e Commi t t ee?
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1 A. I do not kn ow .
4 BY MS . SAWYER :
6 A . Thank you .
9 Mr . Manafort?
17 sotto voce . )
18 BY THE WITNESS :
20 bo t h .
13 dialogue .
14 BY MS . SAWYER:
23 A . No.
25 removed by anyone?
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6 up .
8 decidi ng t o do t hat ?
11 BY THE WITNE SS :
13 invo l ved .
15 A. Co unsel?
16 Q. Yes .
17 A . Yes .
20 Al an Futerfas .
24 BY MS . SAWYER :
7 though you 're on the r oad . What did you unde r stand
8 him to be o ffering?
25 BY MS . SAWYER :
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11 by Aras a nd Emin."
13 A . I did not , no .
15 offer?
17 it.
23 "I f it' s what you say, I love it ." What was the
3 answered i t.
4 BY THE WI TNESS :
7 Hill a r y Clint on ?
8 A. Yes .
14 p r o bl e ma t ic?
18 issue , no .
21 fa t he r?
1 campai g n?
5 re cord .
6 BY THE WITNES S :
10 those things .
24 Graff?
25 A . That' s correc t.
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2 Organization?
5 go through her?
7 h ave , yes.
9 appoi ntment s?
12 schedule , yes.
17 perso n s?
19 Q. Directly .
22 Gra ff ?
23 A . I do not .
2 her ?
3 A . I did not .
9 e - mai l ?
10 A . I did not .
16 A . Same .
17 Q. Anyone else?
18 A . No .
25 myself .
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7 Exhi b it 11.
9 f or identifica tion.)
10 BY MS . SAWYER :
21 colleagues
22 A . Yes .
24 page .
25 BY MS . SAWYER :
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2 A. Co rrect.
10 A . Correct.
13 to?
14 A . Co rrec t.
18 A. Correct.
20 Emi n ?
22 no .
4 A. I don't .
8 that was?
9 A. I do no t kn ow . Perhaps only t o n o t --
19 calls?
20 MR . FUTERFAS : Yes.
21 BY MS . SAWYER :
24 on?
25 A. I don 't kn ow .
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3 A . I don't.
5 blocked number?
6 A . I don't believe so , no .
8 A. I don't know.
13 day?
14 A . I don 't, no .
11 number ?
14 June 7t h?
18 A . No , I don 't.
23 A . Okay .
25 that page .
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1 A. Yes .
8 A. I don 't, no .
11 meeting?
13 conversations .
22 A . No .
24 that Sunday?
25 A . No , I don't.
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6 campaign.
12 weeke nd?
20 realm of possibility, no .
2 me to g i ve a frie n d a f ew momen ts .
8 be about?
3 to t hat .
8 chain?
9 A. Yes .
15 A. I don't, n o .
25 g i ve t o your father?
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1 A. Yes .
6 father?
15 MS . SAWYER : Sure .
16 BY MS . SAWYER :
5 A. Yes .
8 A. No .
10 the Committee?
12 So ...
18 know,
21 A . No , I haven ' t .
7 s urp ri se t o you ?
12 A . No , h e di d n't.
23 informat i on ?
5 appointment .
8 Tower?
11 say your appoi n tment ' s here and I' d say okay .
13 I think y o u indicated?
14 A . Correct.
8 A. No , I did not .
2 BY MS . SAWYER :
12 offi ces?
15 me eting?
16 A . He did not.
17 Q. Di d anyo ne e l se s t op by a t a ny point in
18 that mee ti ng ?
19 A . No t that I recall, no .
22 A. Co rrect.
24 made at t he outset ?
1 s tuff.
3 parti cipant s ?
6 Mr . Akhme ts hin?
7 A. I do no t kn ow if he knew him .
9 A. I do no t.
15 A. Si nce , no .
18 A . No , I have no t.
21 mee ting ?
22 A . No , I have no t.
7 pe rfo r mi ng a t.
12 them?
13 A . I didn 't, no .
16 mee ti ng ?
19 whom?
21 t a l ki ng abo ut?
22 BY MS . SAWYER:
24 mee ti ng ?
3 no .
7 MS . SAWYER : Yes .
8 BY MS . SAWYER :
12 A. That is correct .
17 or whatever -- whenever --
19 yes .
22 BY MS . SAWYER :
25 A . I don't remember .
1 03
6 lawyers?
18 BY MS . SAWYER :
21 A . Yes .
22 Q . So wh o spoke fir s t?
24 translator .
1 you k now?
6 A . I believe so .
8 Russ i an ?
9 A. I do no t.
11 Russ i an ?
17 A . Correct.
2 they l os t me .
10 was myself , but "we " meaning myse lf, Paul , and
13 little bit and I don 't know that we got any more
14 c l ari ty on it.
17 to expand?
18 A . I don 't.
20 A . I don't, no .
7 you p ut t hat?
8 A. I don't recall.
20 interest?
3 information .
5 A. Yes .
18 BY THE WITNES S :
2 BY THE WITNESS:
17 brought in counse l.
24 about it?
1 it.
7 about thi s?
16 en f orcement?
21 public.
2 tha t.
10 to be?
13 by t hat .
15 f orm of the q u es ti o n.
20 BY THE WITNESS:
3 a courtesy .
6 arranged i t?
9 hi m in any way?
14 way .
17 A . Correct.
20 A . Yes .
1 getting t hi s?
2 A. I don't.
5 e - mai l?
6 A . I don't.
8 your father?
19 was .
21 e - mail ?
22 A. I do not .
24 A . I did not .
9 A. Yes .
22 someo ne se t u p .
2 exclamat io n ."
6 followers .
11 scenario, yes .
18 about this?
19 A . No , I haven ' t .
1 campai g n?
4 spe ll ed S-I-K- O- R- K- 0- V?
5 A . No , no t that I re call.
15 Wh a t was he re f erring to ?
16 A . I have no idea .
25 don 't kn ow .
11 6
5 BY MS . SAWYER :
9 the n?
13 read?
17 no .
19 that?
20 A . I d i d not , no .
12 co i nci dence?
15 co i nci dence .
19 father speaks .
24 A . Le ft - hand column?
1 A. Okay , ye s .
6 perio d s ?
20 A . No, I do n't.
4 BY MS . SAWYER :
13 A . No , I don ' t .
17 eveni ng?
20 t h a t.
1 A. I don't.
4 A. No , I do n' t .
8 A . No .
11 BY MS . SAWYER :
14 is ?
17 A . My wi f e .
19 unblocked here?
21 clue .
23 of fice error .
14 FURTHER EXAMINATION
15 BY MR . DAVIS :
17 indi cated that a ft e r the meet ing you d idn 't really
21 your attention?
2 have been ?
19 it entailed?
4 Unit ed St a t es .
8 A. Yes .
13 Fa bi en Baussart ?
14 A . Yes , he i s .
21 A . No .
22 Q . I n the campai g n ?
6 A . No .
8 f o r identification . )
9 BY MR . DAVI S :
12 A. Thank you .
14 it as we ll?
18 BY MR . DAVIS:
21 A . Yes .
24 A . Yes .
2 so t t o voce . )
4 BY MR . DAVI S :
7 A . Yes .
18 discrete ."
1 i ssue .
3 pro t ection?
8 event?
16 A . Yes .
23 meant by that?
5 luxury condominiums .
21 To rshin , T- 0 - R- S- H- I -N?
24 June of 2016?
25 A . Yes .
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3 Russian government ?
13 conversa ti on ?
15 e nt husi ast .
19 A . None a t all .
25 infiltra t e ?
1 29
4 A. I do.
6 him?
10 countries?
12 U. S .
18 Mr . Sater?
20 hi m there .
1 government a ffili a t es ?
2 A . Pri va te compani es .
4 A. No thi ng .
15 the campai g n, no .
17 Mr . Gol ds t o ne and VK .
18 A . Yes .
21 BY MR . DAVI S:
23 13.
24 A . Thank you .
11 t i me?
14 o n it at t he time?
20 A . I don't, no .
25 began?
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4 f o r identifi cation. )
5 BY MR . DAVIS :
13 o r secret meeting?
2 A . No , n o t t ha t I r ecall.
4 Fl ynn?
5 A. I do .
8 t r ai l.
10 re l ationship wit h hi m?
11 A. He worked on t he campaign .
14 government?
15 A . No , I was n o t.
3 that.
12 wh a t I said, y es .
2 co rrect?
3 MR . TRUMP : Yes .
8 reviewed it . Sorry .
15 July 8 statement?
17 it , no .
8 haven ' t time li ned it, but cert ai nly when we became
11 that
12 BY MR . DAVIS:
24 On what --
25 A . Twitt er .
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2 messages?
3 A . I should .
5 the Committ ee ?
6 A . Sure .
15 f or you.
18 themsel ves?
21 were?
24 Q. Not Mr . Assange ?
13 A . No , I was not .
17 A . No , I do no t.
21 A . No .
25 aware o f?
1 39
16 A . No , no t tha t I recall .
21 A . No , I ' m no t.
8 MR . TRUMP : No .
10 12 : 41 .
13 It ' s 12 : 5 0 .
14 FURTHER EXAMINATION
15 BY MS . SAWYER :
21 Exhibit 15 .
22 A . Than k you .
24 f or identifi cation . )
25 BY MS . SAWYER :
1 41
14 A . I belie ve so .
17 be lieve so .
19 A . Yes .
21 it beforehand?
22 A . Co rrec t.
4 reco llec ti o n ?
5 A . No , no t t hat I r ecall.
7 returned?
10 A . No , I did not .
11 Q. Why no t?
25 A . No ne t hat I recal l, no .
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3 A . I do no t.
7 at t he phone l og it reminded me . It h as t e xt
9 we ll t o communi cat e?
10 A . Yes .
14 Q. Do y ou use Snapch a t?
8 BY MS . SAWYER:
11 A. No .
12 Q. ChatSecure , anythi ng e l s e?
13 A . No .
16 A . No , I have no t.
21 A . No .
8 BY MS . SAWYER :
11 numbe r of it.
13 purposes?
14 A . No .
22 l onge r.
2 BY MS . SAWYER:
5 A . No .
20 A . Correct.
25 BY THE WITNESS:
1 47
2 in vo l ved .
4 e l se at t he Whit e House?
9 MR . TRUMP : Both .
10 BY MS . SAWYER :
15 Q. Mr . Futerfas a n d Mr . Gart e n ?
16 A . Yes .
21 A . No .
4 A. No t t o my r eco ll ecti o n.
7 A . No .
10 A . Yes , I did .
11 Q . You approved i t?
12 A. Yes , I di d .
14 t h a t before i t we nt out ?
15 A. Yes .
17 A . Yes .
21 Trump .
22 BY MS . SAWYER :
25 my recoll ect i on .
14 9
4 to hi m.
5 EXAMINATION
6 BY MR . PRI VOR :
10 A . No , I was not .
20 A . Correct.
23 discussion?
24 A . No , I did not .
3 ever arranged?
4 A. No .
7 A. No .
17 projects ?
18 A. Correct.
21 can recall?
25 A. Correct.
151
3 A . No.
24 aware of any , no .
3 s o t to voce . )
5 BY MR . PRI VOR :
9 rig h t?
7 developer?
8 A. Yes.
11 deal?
12 A. Depends on t he deal.
16 A . Correct.
3 A . I don't remember .
5 A. I don 't.
13 A . Yes .
15 at t he time?
16 A . I believe so .
21 A . Yes .
23 Bayroc k?
2 U.S. development s .
9 A. I don't recall.
12 estat e deals?
13 A . Yes .
15 backgrou nd c h eck?
18 Q . Like a Billite r?
24 handles t hat?
2 backgrou nd c hecks?
13 with him?
16 mistaken .
18 Trump Organization?
25 Organiza t io n ?
157
4 Organization?
5 A. I don 't.
8 A. I don 't.
13 do that?
14 A . Presumably , yes.
19 right ?
20 A . Correct .
25 building in Moscow.
158
2 A. Co rrec t.
7 A. Co rrec t.
14 remember when.
17 A . I don't recall.
20 Mr . Sater ?
23 A . It did .
10 that project ?
12 Q. I ' m sorry?
18 Organization is?
24 Trump Soho?
3 what was the equity and debt, the basic outli nes of
4 tha t?
12 A. Correct.
14 the equity?
15 A. We did not .
18 A . Correct.
25 particul ar p roject?
161
1 A. I was .
13 A . Yes .
15 A. Yes , it i s .
17 project?
18 A . Same .
24 MR . PRIVOR: Of cour se .
5 so t to voce . )
6 BY MR . PRI VOR :
10 A . I don 't.
12 the deal?
17 providing fi na ncing?
7 A. I don't remember .
10 so t to voce . )
11 BY MR . PRI VOR :
17 out .
25 A. I don't, no .
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7 A. No , I do n't.
9 you ask?
10 A . Presumably t he lenders .
24 aware of?
4 Q. Okay .
14 New York?
12 zoni ng market.
15 b uye r?
16 A . Yes .
5 that projec t ?
9 Mi ami .
11 are?
14 Q. Who i s he?
16 ran Prodigy .
20 A . I don't.
24 of t hat , not us .
1 A. Corr ect.
3 wi t h t he Trump Organization?
9 condomini ums?
15 A. Not likel y .
18 case?
19 A . Probably not .
21 A . Pr obably no t.
6 anonymous buyers?
10 actual buye r?
15 know.
20 in vo l ved , no .
22 A. Yes .
25 A. No i dea .
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5 track of?
24 selling t he uni t s?
2 o n occasion , yes.
7 A. I don't recall.
21 se lling?
1 sponsor earli e r.
4 Soho .
6 Trump Soho , no .
7 MR . GARTEN: Okay .
12 so t t o voce . )
13 BY MR . PRIVOR :
1 a n y today?
6 A . Correct.
11 two .
15 A. No .
19 Development Group ?
23 A . I'm no t, no .
25 K- H- R- A-P-U- N- 0 - V .
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1 A. I do no t.
3 in Trump Soho?
8 A . Correct.
14 Organizati o n?
15 A. Correct.
18 A. Very little.
23 le tt er of int ent?
24 A. Correct.
3 A . Yes .
5 A. I don 't.
10 A . I don 't, no .
12 Sater?
19 A . I wou ld imagine .
23 c ounsel .
3 reporting?
4 A. No , I was n o t.
6 po te n t ia l deal in Moscow?
9 as it r e l a t es t o hearing a b ou t it over t he l as t f ew
10 weeks .
25 f at i g ue .
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4 BY THE WI TNESS :
19 to your father?
20 A . I don 't.
3 A . He performed there .
8 Agalarovs?
17 A . No .
22 A. Herman Gref.
23 Q. G-R-E-F.
24 A . No .
1 A. No t t hat I recall .
4 A. Yes .
14 so tt o voce . )
15 BY MR . PRIVOR :
20 recall?
25 A . I don't remember .
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2 tha t rig h t?
3 A. It never go t built, no .
5 A. I don 't.
7 A. No .
10 them, no .
13 A . I don't know .
15 Aga l arov?
1 Q. No t at a ny time?
5 as President ?
6 A . I don 't.
11 Pu ti n ?
12 A. I don't know .
14 A . I don't kno w.
25 abo ut i t .
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16 work .
18 signed?
19 A . No t always , no .
5 as a deve l ope r?
6 A . Further diligence .
14 to determine t hat .
4 s i gned?
5 A . Defi n it ely .
9 ab i l it y t o perform?
10 A . I don 't.
14 li ke tha t.
15 Q. Who i s tha t?
20 A . I don't kno w.
7 so tt o voce . )
8 BY MR . PRI VOR :
14 Moscow?
18 we 're the onl y ones t hat loo ked a t, you know , deals
1 h as con s idered ?
2 A. No t an o ffi c i a l l og , n o .
5 into?
14 a letter of intent?
16 father necessari l y .
18 Organiza ti on ?
24 A . No .
4 developer in 2016 ?
17 A . No, n o t necessari ly .
13 to Russia?
14 A . I d i d not .
19 time period ?
20 A . No , I don't be li eve so .
1 reca ll?
4 go o ff t he record a t
6 want it.
8 minut e s .
12 about hi s vi s it there
18 BY MR . PRIVOR:
23 father' s campaign .
1 you had any other cont act with him d uri ng the
2 campaign?
11 A . I don 't.
13 A . No .
14 Q. Do you k n ow who h e i s?
15 A . I don't.
16 Q. Dennis Katsyv?
17 A . No t t hat I recall, no .
19 A . No .
22 wh o it i s .
25 A. No , I di d n o t.
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4 littl e b it earl i er .
6 ambassador .
12 from?
14 perso n.
16 yeah , I may have heard the name , but I don 't have
18 BY MR . PRIVOR:
25 A. I don't belie ve so .
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2 A . Sergei Gorkov?
3 Q. Yes .
5 Q. G- O- R- K- 0 - V .
6 A . I don't believ e so .
9 Q. Do you k n ow him?
11 Q. Konstantin Kilimnik?
12 A. No .
14 A . I don 't.
18 don ' t know him and I don ' t believe I'v e met him .
22 A . No .
25 t h a t a n swer?
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8 up .
13 BY MR . PRIVOR :
15 A. No .
17 A . I do n't.
19 A . No t that I know o f, no .
21 A . No .
23 A . No .
1 Q. Do you k n ow i n wh a t cont e xt ?
3 Ukrai ne ?
4 Q. He i s .
5 A . Okay .
9 A . No .
11 A. No .
13 A . No .
19 A . No .
21 Av en?
22 A . Doesn't sou nd f a mi l i a r.
24 A . No .
2 (A s hort b r ea k wa s had . )
12 BY MR . PRIVOR:
15 Heat her.
17 VTB Ban k ?
22 A. Co ul d yo u g i ve me some cont ex t?
6 A . I don't.
8 Mr . Sater?
9 A. Also years .
11 communi cation you ' ve had with him in any other form
12 such as e - mail?
13 A . I have no idea .
19 A . I ' m no t.
21 FURTHER EXAMINATI ON
22 BY MS . SAWYER :
1 yes.
3 term?
7 A. No .
10 A . No .
12 A. No .
14 Organ izati o n?
17 campaign?
18 A. Same.
20 n e xt q u es ti o n can I
21 MS . SAWYER : Sure .
23 sotto voce .)
4 press?
7 BY THE WITNESS :
11 A . None .
13 A . Al so none .
4 rel a ted t o it ?
5 A . I have not , no .
8 A . No .
15 A. I ' m n o t.
20 A . No .
3 it ?
9 DNC?
13 publi c heard i t.
15 A. Yes .
17 campai g n be f o r e tha t?
20 way?
5 servers?
7 BY MS . SAWYER :
11 that i n f o rmati o n?
14 MS . SAWYER: Sure.
15 BY MS . SAWYER :
21 A . I don 't.
4 t o c y ber a tt ack?
9 BY THE WITNESS :
10 A . No .
15 li ke I sai d , on Wi ki Leaks .
18 e - mai ls ?
25 woul d be re l eased?
204
8 BY MS . SAWYER:
21 or Mr . Podesta?
23 publ icly?
25 your advantage.
205
7 now?
13 o f t ha t .
18 knows
19 BY MS . SAWYER:
21 answers?
3 gave you g uys the ful l scope t here . Does t hat make
4 sense?
7 a n swe red with I don't r eca ll, tha t' s n o t some t hing
14 BY MS . SAWYER:
19 A . No .
2 t h a t informati on ?
19 A . No .
23 A . No .
25 A . No .
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12 Q. St eve Bannon?
14 Q . Ke llyanne Co nway?
15 A. I don't know.
16 Q. Sam Cl ovis ?
18 Q. Cart er Page?
20 Q . Roger Stone ?
21 A . No idea .
3 our campaign .
5 A . Probably .
6 Q. June of 20 15?
12 father?
21 A. No .
25 A. No .
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4 A. I'm n o t.
8 na ti onal s?
9 A. No.
14 weekend ?
17 weekend ?
24 A . No .
2 A. Yes .
4 your fat he r?
8 A. No t that I remember , no .
23 A . No , no t tha t I remember .
7 Mar-a-Lago?
9 know.
11 left?
15 unde r standi ng ?
16 A . Media .
18 eve r ?
19 A . I have not .
22 A. No .
24 A . No .
1 d i scussi ng hi s firin g ?
2 A. No .
13 December 20 1 6?
14 A . No .
22 A. No , n o t tha t I r e member.
25 int er f e re nce?
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1 A. No.
5 A. No , we haven 't.
7 for anyone?
8 A. No .
19 A . Media .
21 2016?
22 A. I di d .
2 A. I was hunti ng .
7 A. I' m go ing to
9 a l ong t h at line .
11 A . I t was hunting .
15 was over .
18 A . No .
20 t h ere?
24 whole time.
1 this tri p ?
2 A . No , h e was no t.
6 BY MS . SAWYER :
10 A . Who?
11 Q. DC Leaks .
1 about?
4 hi m?
6 early in t he spring .
8 A . Probably March .
9 Q. March of 2016?
10 A . Yes -- no . 20 17 .
13 A . Correct.
16 A . No .
20 no .
24 no .
7 A. Yeah.
12 speci fi cally .
14 General Sessions ?
15 A. Yes .
24 Russi an Ambassador --
6 team?
14 t h e process, yes.
24 thing for me .
6 transition t eam?
14 specifi c vetting ?
15 A. No .
19 Q. Anyone else?
23 Kislyak?
24 A . No .
3 A. Correct.
17 MR . TRUMP : Correct .
19 MR . TRUMP: No .
24 clarifi cation .
5 we 'll be done .
6 EXAMINATION
7 BY MR . FOSTER :
14 Steele doss i er ?
2 Corney be i ng fi red ?
3 A . No , I didn 't.
7 li ne o f questi ons .
8 FURTHER EXAMINATI ON
9 BY MR . DAVI S :
12 A. Yes .
17 t h a t con venti on ?
18 A . I heard abo ut t ha t.
21 Organi za ti on ?
24 campai gn .
8 campai gn?
9 A. No , I do n't.
11 2 : 33 .
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