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gpsarathyy Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:09 pm Post subject:

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Dear Vikramjeet sir,
Thanks for your reply.
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gpsarathyy Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:07 pm Post subject:

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Dear Vikram Jeet,
Thanks for your replies, it was very useful.
For steel shed structrues = 15 to 20kg/m³

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Faheem ali Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:07 am Post subject: Re: Structural Quantity Estimate for Steel buildings -
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[quote="vikram.jeet"]Dr NS sir has very appropriately provided the figures for estimation of
Joined: 06 Feb 2011 steel quatty.
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Rough computation is seen as under:

Approx. Quatty of steel
slabs - - - 80 to 100 Kg/m3
Beams - - - 200 to 250 Kg/m3
columns - - 200 to 225 kg/m3 ( taking average for full height)
footings - - 50 to 60 Kg/m3
Illustration:
A normal panel of size 5m X 5m (4 storied@ 3.5m ht)
Area = 25 sqmX 4 = 100 sqm
footing size 3.5X3.5m X 0.60 th
column size - - 40X40cm
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Beam size - - 30 X 45cm
Slab th- - 150 thk
Slabs = (5*5-0.3*5*2)*0.15*90 *4 =1134 Kg

Beams = (5+5)*(0.3*0.45)*225 *4 =1215 Kg
Columns = (4*3.5+1.2)*0.4*0.4*212.5 =517 Kg
Footings = 3.5*3.5*0.60*60 =441 Kg
Total = 3307 Kg
Steel per sqm= 3307/100 = 33 Kg
(thus 35 to 40 Kg/m2 is appropriate)
For raft foundation it will be higher in case
of high rise.
best regards
vikramjeet
Dear Vikramjeet Sir
Slabs = (5*5-0.3*5*2)*0.15*90 *4 =1134 Kg
The above calculations sum upto 1188kgs otherwise kindly provide details as to how we acheive
1134kgs.
Here above I am unable to understand why u have taken the beam width by length 5metres
twice (0.3*5*2)
Columns = (4*3.5+1.2)*0.4*0.4*212.5 =517 Kg Sir here I am unable to understand what 1.2 is

for and how we have derived (1.2)
Sir an early reply highly appreciated.
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vikram.jeet Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:04 am Post subject: Structural Quantity Estimate for Steel buildings -
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Dear Er Faheem Ali
Thanks for correction . The slab quatty works to 1188 Kg instead of 1134Kg
The internal column is connected to beams from both directions, hence it is twice.
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Dear Vikramjeet Sir
Slabs = (5*5-0.3*5*2)*0.15*90 *4 =1134 Kg
The above calculations sum upto 1188kgs otherwise kindly provide details as to how we acheive
1134kgs.
Here above I am unable to understand why u have taken the beam width by length 5metres twice
(0.3*5*2)
Columns = (4*3.5+1.2)*0.4*0.4*212.5 =517 Kg Sir here I am unable to understand what 1.2 is

for and how we have derived (1.2)
Sir an early reply highly appreciated.

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bijay sarkar Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:09 am Post subject:
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Er GPSarathhy,
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
Posts: 314 Data provided by NS Sir do not match with that of mine regarding structural steel requirement for
steel buildings. If, in place of per SqM, it becomes per CuM, data matches.
My data are as follows :
Building Height upto 25M ......40Kg Per CuM of building volume.

Building Height above 25M upto 50M ......50Kg Per CuM of building volume.
Building Height above 50M upto 75M ......60Kg Per CuM of building volume.
As building height increases, consumption rate also increases.
The above data is only valid for normal buildings without any heavy equipments on floors.
Also for sheds like Track Hopper Shed, Wagon Tippler Shed, Bull Dozer Shed etc..steel
consumption is 10-12 Kg/CuM.
For Electrical Cable Racks at a height of 3M from Ground and 8M at road etc
crossing.........30Kg/Cum.
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vikram.jeet Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:25 am Post subject: Structural Quantity Estimate for Steel buildings -
Dear Er Faheem Ali,
In estimation of column, the floor to floor height is taken as 3.5m.
Considering Depth of foundation =1.2m below NGL

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Posts: 2212 Plinth level as = 0.6m above NGL(0.15 m formation of plot +0.45m above that)
The total column height above top of footing
= 3.5*4+1.2+0.6- footing thickness of 0.6m =3.5*4+1.2
hope this may adress yr query.Kindly feel free ,if any other
apprehension.
The main idea was to see the extent of steel in buildings and illustration
always helps to check back.
best regds
vikramjeet
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Arvind Kumar Jaiswal Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Structural Quantity Estimate for Steel buildings -
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vikram.jeet wrote:
Dear Er G Parthasarthy ji
After checking from IS SP-38 for 24.0m span truss the exact weights are
as under (for wind pressures 150 Kg/m2):
Weight = Truss members+gusset,+Purlins+Tie runners
Truss - - A type (24.0m span)
Tubular /slope 1 in 3 /purlin spacing 4.5m - - - - 13.8 Kg/m2

Truss - - A type(24.0m span)

Joined: 14 Feb 2011 Angle /slope 1 in 3 /purlin spacing 4.5m - - - - 18.6 Kg/m2
Posts: 46 Angle /slope 1 in 4 /purlin spacing 4.5m - - - - 19.5 Kg/m2
Angle /slope 1 in 5 /purlin spacing 4.5m - - - - 20.9 Kg/m2

A-type vs LTR truss
Truss - - A type Span - - - 12.0m

Truss - - Lean-to-roof Span - - - 12.0m
Effect of span on weight =Truss members+gusset,+Purlins+Tie runners

Tubular /slope 1 in 5 /purlin spacing 4.5m
Span 9.0m weight = 14.1 kg/m2

Hope above data may be useful for estimation

best wishes and regds
vikramjeet
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Dear All,
The values quoted in the above are only for truss, i.e. without columns, Wind braces, column base
plates, etc, I feel that quantities given by Dr N Subramanian are very close if you are looking for
total estimation of steel truss with steel columns and wind bracing etc, and the quantity estimate
given by Vikramjeet is accurate for only roof truss. In case you add for wind braces on top chord
and bottom chord, your quantities will be different.
with warm regards.
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vikram.jeet Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:39 am Post subject: Structural Quantity Estimate for Steel buildings -
I am in full conformity with Er Arvind Jaiswal ji.

The weight of an open shed with roof truss,bracing and steel columns
including their plates would definitely be about 50% extra than that of
roof truss weights .
Illustration:
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Open Steel shed type structure(non-gantry)
Rough computation is seen as under:
(Not based on design but assuming some approx sizing)
A Bay size 24m X 6m (Eaves height= 4.50m )
Area = 24 sqmX 6= 144 sqm
Roof Truss - - 18.3 Kg/m2 (Except sheeting,bracing)
column size - - Tubular 300NB = 49.34 Kg/m
Eaves Beam size - -
Twin tubes (NB 100) @ 2*12.19*1.25=30.5 Kg/m
(extra 25% for verticals in beam)
Bracing one bay out of five bays
Top chord& bottom chords & elevation - NB 65 @ 6.44 kg/m
Quatty for one bay:
Truss =18.3*6*24- - - - - - -- = 2635 Kg
Eaves Beams = (6*2)*30.5 =366 Kg
Columns = (4.5*2)*49.34 =444 Kg
Bracing at top chord,bottom chord
Approx=(16*6*1.414*6.44)/5 =175 Kg
Bracing at elevation
Approx=(7.5*4*6.44)/5 =39 Kg
Column Top plates
=0.5*0.5*0.016*7850*2= 63 Kg
Column Base plates
=0.6*0.6*0.022*7850*2= 125 Kg
Truss shoe plates = 63 kg
Anchor bolts(say) 8*4.91*1.0*0.7850*2 =62 kg
Total = 3971 Kg
Steel per sqm
= 3971/144 = 27.6 Kg (this is about 50% extra than truss weight)
Steel per Cum= 3971/[144*4.5] = 6.1 Kg
Weight of roof sheeting(if GI or Galvlume) and wt of reinf steel for

rcc in pedestals and footings not inclusive.
best regards
vikramjeet
Dear All,
The values quoted in the above are only for truss, i.e. without columns, Wind braces, column base
plates, etc, I feel that quantities given by Dr N Subramanian are very close if you are looking for
total estimation of steel truss with steel columns and wind bracing etc, and the quantity estimate
given by Vikramjeet is accurate for only roof truss. In case you add for wind braces on top chord
and bottom chord, your quantities will be different.
with warm regards.
Arvind Jaiswal
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Faheem ali Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:56 pm Post subject: Kindly Neccessary advice early
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Dear Vikramjeet sir

Joined: 06 Feb 2011
Posts: 2 Are there any Clauses in BS or IS where we can Force onto the Contractor to expedite/speed up
the project of Higher Commercial value/use.The contractor is not worried of the fine the
Client is worried of loss of valuable rental income.
We can use some clauses as warning to the contractor so that the Client/employer does not incur
loss of rental income due to delay or negligence of the Contractor.
An early reply appreciated
Thankx
faheem ali
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vikram.jeet Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:16 am Post subject: Structural Quantity Estimate for Steel buildings -
Dear Er Faheem Ali
For this reply, I would request P Eng Sh Suraj Singh ji to kindly guide since the query is
related to timely project completion and contractual provisions must ensure it.
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Posts: 2212 best regds
vikramjeet
Dear Vikramjeet sir

Are there any Clauses in BS or IS where we can Force onto the Contractor to expedite/speed up
the project of Higher Commercial value/use.The contractor is not worried of the fine the
Client is worried of loss of valuable rental income.
We can use some clauses as warning to the contractor so that the Client/employer does not incur
loss of rental income due to delay or negligence of the Contractor.
An early reply appreciated
Thankx
faheem ali
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gpsarathyy Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:09 pm Post subject:

Dear Vikramjeet sir,

Thanks for your reply.

gpsarathyy Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:07 pm Post subject:

Dear Vikram Jeet,

Thanks for your replies, it was very useful.

For steel shed structrues = 15 to 20kg/m³

Rough computation is seen as under:

Slabs = (5*5-0.3*5*2)*0.15*90 *4 =1134 Kg

Dear Vikramjeet Sir

Slabs = (5*5-0.3*5*2)*0.15*90 *4 =1134 Kg

Columns = (4*3.5+1.2)*0.4*0.4*212.5 =517 Kg Sir here I am unable to understand what 1.2 is

Sir an early reply highly appreciated.

Dear Er Faheem Ali

Dear Vikramjeet Sir

Slabs = (5*5-0.3*5*2)*0.15*90 *4 =1134 Kg

Columns = (4*3.5+1.2)*0.4*0.4*212.5 =517 Kg Sir here I am unable to understand what 1.2 is

Sir an early reply highly appreciated.

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My data are as follows :

Building Height upto 25M ......40Kg Per CuM of building volume.

As building height increases, consumption rate also increases.

Dear Er Faheem Ali,

In estimation of column, the floor to floor height is taken as 3.5m.

Considering Depth of foundation =1.2m below NGL

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Tubular /slope 1 in 3 /purlin spacing 6.0m - - - - 16.9 Kg/m2

Truss - - A type(24.0m span)

Angle /slope 1 in 3 /purlin spacing 6.0m - - - - 21.3 Kg/m2

A-type vs LTR truss

Truss - - A type Span - - - 12.0m

Effect of span on weight =Truss members+gusset,+Purlins+Tie runners

Span 9.0m weight = 14.1 kg/m2

Hope above data may be useful for estimation

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with warm regards.

I am in full conformity with Er Arvind Jaiswal ji.

Steel per Cum= 3971/[144*4.5] = 6.1 Kg

Weight of roof sheeting(if GI or Galvlume) and wt of reinf steel for

Posted via Email

Dear Vikramjeet sir

An early reply appreciated

Dear Er Faheem Ali

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Dear Vikramjeet sir

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